Racisim in Japan?

[Anonymous No.]

Dear /jp/

I love Japan and one day plan on traveling there, but despite this I have a pretty low opinion about the Japanese cultural community and am currently in an argument with a friend about whether or not Japan is a racist or discriminatory country. Anybody willing to clear some facts up for me?

My friend says that most crime is perpetuated by foreigners or foreign gangs. I say it’s not true and provide this source

http://www.jref.com/society/foreign_crime_in_japan.shtml

My friend says that no or next to no discrimination or racism exist in Japan. I say there is plenty and provide these sources

http://www.japanfocus.org/-The_Asahi-Shimbun/2932
http://www.davidappleyard.com/japan/jp42.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_hrDsW-gzY

Despite this pointless argument she still says I'm wrong because she’s currently in Japan and has encountered no problems. So tell me /jp/ am I right or have I just been horribly mislead by the internet? Believe me when I say I'd like to be proven wrong. Unfortunately shes doing a terrible job at it

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129281

How is racism a good thing?!

[Anonymous No.]

Honestly, who gives a shit. Racism is a good thing and every country needs more of it, not less.

[Anonymous No.]

We don't actually talk about Japan here.

[Anonymous No.]

Japan is only racist to other asians and russians.

They don't have enough interaction with other groups besides those to be properly racist, and everything related is either misunderstandings or harmless stereotyping.

They may be countryist, but if you can't hate someone based on country, then what can you hate?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129272
>have I just been horribly mislead by the internet?
Whoop-the-fucking-do, exagerated, misleading facts, on the internet?

Japan is probably as racist as any other country, it's just that you notice it more becuase *gasp* you're the minority when you go there.

That's really the only thing. Every country is more or less as discriminatory against its minorities, white people just notice it more in Japan because unlike third world countries where they are considered cash cows that need to be treated like gods in Japan they're just outsiders who have to either play by the japanese rules or GTFO (just like every other industrialized country does).

[Anonymous No.]

Do you mean towards blacks or other races in general?

If you're black, from what I heard, you get a ton of stares. It's not because it's dislike, it's like seeing an albino with red eyes for the first time. You kinda do a double take because chances are, you won't see this again anytime soon.

Then again, you've got the xenophobics that you wouldn't normally see in Western countries where they deny access. Just move on, don't let it phase you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129312
>>in Japan they're just outsiders who have to either play by the japanese rules or GTFO (just like every other industrialized country does).

Which by the way is the only sane way to treat foreigners. Act like the locals or fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129286
Don't mind him, we have plenty of leftovers from stormfro/n/t here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129322
You know if they're tourists or just arrived in the country, you should give them a chance first.
In the case of tourist even let it slide if they don't act too much like jerks.

If they still refuse adapt after several weeks in the country, that is they aren't even trying (sometimes they might try but are just taking a bit long, that's ok if they are making the effort) then they really should go back where they came from.

You're the new guy in the block. You're the one who's got to adapt to the community, not the community to you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129286

Racism is a good thing because it makes things interesting and more fun. It makes people hate other people who look or act different from them and avoid them, which is inherently good. A world without racism would be a world with less conflict and less notable differences between peoples and nations. Who would want to live in a place like that?

Seriously, I think it's an extremely valuable thing that, let's say, Belgians are extremely different from Bangladeshi who are extremely different from Iraqi and so on. The only way to keep them different is to keep them separate, and racism makes that happen. That is beautiful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129355
3/10
Needs a LOT of polish, son.
Even normal redneck blabbering about social darwinism is more believable

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129355
You don't really need racism for that, most people are too lazy to leave whatever country they were born in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129360

Not trolling, I'm afraid. My philosophy is just based entirely on increasing the entertainment value of the world and recognizes fun as the absolutely only thing that matters in the universe.

>>3129363

But laziness is a negative force that causes inaction, while racism (and other kinds of hate, which are pretty much all good) are positive forces that cause action.

[Anonymous No.]

niggers in japan.
niggerians in shinjuku, shibuya always talking to you and trying to swindle you into taking them and their nigger buddies out to drinks and food and then they rake up the bill and fuck off (like all niggers) when its time to pay leaving you a bill for a couple hundred dollars.
fortunately for me, the only niggers that harrassed and chased me down the street were trying to sell me some stupid new era caps and oversized shirts for ridiculous prices.

[Anonymous No.]

Although I can't really say xenophobia is good for Japan, both in the crude utilitarian sense and a higher moral sense, I still can't help but hope they stay that way. As an outsider observing their culture, the only part of Japanese society I benefit from is their aesthetic uniqueness, which only exists as long as they maintain cultural homogeneity. It should be added that this perspective is the only way to hate a country, or even maintain simple detachment from it, while partaking in its cultural output. Therefore, I must conclude that the majority of /jp/sies share my position. Pic related, it's the beautiful result of a insular and depraved culture.

[Anonymous No.]

Germanfag here!
Japanese people love germanfags or eurofags.
Japan is weeaboo for europe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129374

Get out of your room man.
Diversity =/= racism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129374
What's wrong with inaction? I spent the majority of my life doing nothing and those were my best years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129392

Diversity cannot exist without segregation and isolation, either voluntary or involuntary.

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>>3129375

Sounds like a personal problem

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129376
Japan's culture no longer exists. It's all westernness or anime. It's just a bunch of weirdness and capitalism either way. They've even gotten rid of the things that made them unique to fit in more.

[Anonymous No.]

I heard that allot of the crime is committed by foreigners OR by foreigner gangs. Is this true or just a myth perpetuated by the government

Also is it just me or does this new ID card for foreigners sound like a bad thing?

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>>3129376
You're wrong. Today's animu is mostly based on western animation (specifically disney) rather than their own style.
The only animu I know of which actually has bits of japanese traditional artstyle is Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei.
Curiously enough, the precursor of the jRPG is an old dungeon crawler game for PC made in the west

>>3129377
SEELENBRUDERFAUST!
Oh god, I mean, at least the otaku in Japan seem to be completely reverseweeaboo for the DOITSU!

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129400
>I heard that allot of the crime is committed by foreigners OR by foreigner gangs.

Are you talking about in Japan, Sweden, America, or what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129400
>I heard that allot of the crime is committed by foreigners OR by foreigner gangs.

That is true in every single developed country in the world. Foreigners/immigrants always commit more crime than anybody else.

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>>3129407

So I'm guessing integration and growth isn't in your vocabulary.

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>>3129421
So it's a good thing to be racist and not let them in.

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>>3129416
>riously enough, the precursor of the jRPG is an old dungeon crawler game for PC made in the west

I thought it was D&D.

[Anonymous No.]

There are Japanese who are racist, but on the whole Japan is more xenophobic than it is racist. That is, as a foreigner it's pretty hard for a Japanese person NOT to think of you as a foreigner, but that doesn't necessarily mean they will treat you like crap.

Japan is some 93% ethnic Japanese, so there's just no way for foreigners to be part of the status quo.

Because of the demographic, there is still a large cultural and language divide. But as long as you make an effort you will almost always be treated in kind.

Stories you hear about racial discrimination in Japan are usually greatly exaggerated from newfags who were too deluded by their japanophilia to deal with their problems like a real person, and instead waste their time by ranting online.

Frankly speaking, Japanese are as much human being as any other race. Treat them as fetishized objects and they will probably dispise you. But if you're genuinely interested in getting to know them beyond just the "omg it's Japan" superficiality, they are quite welcoming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129424

Integration is a myth. It has never happened. People either assimilate, or form their own little pockets of their "own".

The latter is the preferred outcome for me, because it causes violence and violence is fun, as long as it happens to somebody else and not me.

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>>3129436
D&D was the precursor of ALL RPGs.
The dungeon crawler I'm talking about also had RPG elements (I don't remember the name right now, I think it was mentioned in a big site recently like gametrailers or ign)

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129424
More like assimilation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129421
>>3129420

Japan. Apparently the percentage of the population is like 2% foreign yet they commit most of the crimes in the country. I just find that hard to believe

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>>3129445

>Violence is fun
You watch a bit too much anime ):

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>>3129420
Japan is 1.4% foreigner (Mostly koreans and chinese), but they still commit the majority of crimes.

usually in weeks before election, the propaganda they choose to use for anti-foreigner stances show black people however.

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>I love Japan
Stopped reading right there

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129447
Provided they probably mean military people, who do have a past time of raping their females.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129447
That's because japanese don't count the yakuza as crime but as part of their society.
They can't be touched and even though I don't know this for sure, I'd say there aren't too many cases where they bust up yakuza bosses and/or shops and get them into prison.

So if you leave all that shit out of the equation (considering that most crimes in each country are actually committed by such mafias) you either have the chinese and russian mafias or poor foreigners who've lost their jobs but don't get the memo and go back to their country.

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>>3129466
No they don't.

[Anonymous No.]

The Japanese are okay in my book. I mean, considering the country they have to live in, some of them can actually be nice.

I also think it's cute when females try to decipher your fast talking English.

I instinctively said "Four" when I got on to an elevator once instead of saying it in Japanese and this cute OL smiled at me and counted on her fingers to four before I could say it again in Jap. I thought it was very cute.

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>>3129492
http://www.moj.go.jp/

yes they do, or at least the Japanese Ministry of Justice says that foreigners commit the most crimes. Statistics released twice every year in print.

[Anonymous No.]

Quick question.

Do the Japanese understand spoken Engrish? Or is it just native speakers that can't understand Engrish?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129416
>Today's animu is mostly based on western animation (specifically disney)

This is completely wrong. Animu's origins lie in Disney, but to call today's animu Disney would require a distorted imagination. It's like saying Japanese culture isn't Japanese because its origins lie in Chinese culture. What determines a culture's uniqueness isn't its origins, but what it becomes after extended isolation. There is nothing like otaku culture outside Japan, except for the tiny groups of foreigners like us who leech off the culture while contributing nothing. This is because of Japanese sociological peculiarities, something that can be almost entirely blamed on Japan's cultural homogeneity and insular attitude.

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>>3129527
>because its origins lie in Chinese culture

.... you understand that the biggest cultural influence in Japan is America, right?

>after extended isolation

It's never been truly isolated, you know.

>There is nothing like otaku culture outside Japan

There definitely is. We call them trekkies, comic book nerds, furfaggots, etc.

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>>3129527
Keep telling yourself that
Also, otaku culture isn't a cultural achievement.

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>>3129531
Do you understand wap-speak?

I double they understand engrish on the level of nanoha or black lagoon, but the random words they use daily are probably known to the younger ones at least.

Also more than engrish, japan tends to used those notorious nonsensical abbreviations of foreign words.

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>>3129571
That culture has spread over most of the world. I'd say it's an achievement.

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>>3129527
The reason for big eyes on anime and manga characters is the Betty Boop cartoons that made their way to Japan with American soldiers. Also, Tezuka inspiration for his dynamic story telling style(it was that for the time) from American movies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129574
"Baito"

>>3129577
I don't see Hikkis in my country.

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>>3129560
Americas come and go, China remains. For Japan, Chinese stuff is a base, American is a fad.

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>>3129577
The children's anime and manga, sure. But late-night anime and visual novels, no.

Hell, there are Japanese fans of European comics and bands.

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>>3129601
To be fair, in Europe you actually see a lot more late-night animus make its way as well as a ton of hentai dvds (hell, they sell them in fucking gas stations along with the regular porn).

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>>3129355
meh, mediocre opinions are mediocre

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129596
>see
>Hikkis
..do you understand that concept correctly? Also that's not related to anime at all, but rather to japan's bullying problem.

>>3129601
>But late-night anime and visual novels, no.
>None of these are popular on 4chan/internet

Internet western culture is still western culture.

No one cares about western comics to the extent the rest of the world cares about manga. This is why people copy manga but you rarely see any anime copying western comics.

Anime has replaced or integrated with countries' native media like blue jeans have integrated and replaced other countries' native clothing.

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>>3129601
>there are Japanese fans of European comics and bands.
No shit sherlock.
Next you'll be saying Japanese actually *gasp* learn european languages besides english like german and like european philosophs like Nietsche!

[Anonymous No.]

>This is why people copy manga but you rarely see any anime copying western comics.
>you rarely see any anime copying western comics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129596

If you're in America, we choose to pretend those people don't exist.

[Anonymous No.]

>she still says I'm wrong because she’s
>she

well there you go OP, thats the problem with this argument.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129560
>.... you understand that the biggest cultural influence in Japan is America, right?

Yeah, because Confucianism, Zen Buddhism, and an ENTIRE FUCKING WRITING SYSTEM don't mean shit to the Japanese. You act like Japan was born the minute Commodore Perry found it.

>It's never been truly isolated, you know.

I'm not talking about literal isolation. I'm talking about an collective insular philosophy, or in other words, xenophobia.

>There definitely is. We call them trekkies, comic book nerds, furfaggots, etc.

The only thing that is remotely comparable is their fetishism, and none of them intentionally and self-consciously embrace it like the Japanese do. Even the furries attempt to justify themselves with weird religions and persecution complexes. Hell, the Japanese otaku culture is self-conscious to the point of postmodernism, with popular animu characters constantly breaking the fourth wall and joking about what archetypes they fall under.

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>>3129700
I'm in Europe.
You do that, you get fucking thrown out of your home and/or get told to get a fucking job.

Sure bullying is still a problem, but having people with 22 years leeching at their parent's home without even leaving their rooms, let alone their houses are unexistant.
You either got to get out to work or to study (be it university or otherwise). After you've done that, do whatever you want.

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>>3129720

Are you implying non-blonde hair blue eyed women don't get racism?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129735
>popular animu characters constantly breaking the fourth wall and joking about what archetypes they fall under

only in crappy animus

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>>3129735
>fetishism
>implying Germany doesn't cash in as well on its fetishist culture the way the japanese do

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129272
lol wats dat op
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[Anonymous No.]

>>3129735
Also, I should add that "trekkies, comic book nerds, furfaggots, etc." combined would only be a fraction of the otaku market share. Just look at Oricon charts from a couple weeks ago: right at the top is an album starring fictional characters from the moe~ slice-of-life show K-On!

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>>3129777

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>>3129735
>constantly breaking the fourth wall
I saw a lot of (amerikkkan) cartoons like that in my childhood.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129808
>implying bakemonogatari isn't a crappy anime

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>>3129805
I don't know, there are a lot of anime related furries. Most of that art seems to be anime style from what I've seen on 4chan, and while catgirls(or other kemonomimi) in anime may just be cute to us, in their culture they're based on animals, actual animals, that put on a human appearance. It's a bit more furry than anime fans are comfortable to admit.

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>>3129818
>>implying
Go back to /a/ or /v/.

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>>3129831
You're confusing Youkais with Nature Spirits and Demons there boy.

Spirits of Nature always take human form to blend in with humans and being able to decieve them. Anime takes it to the point that this is actually normal and/or this spirits have breeded with humans leaving behind crossbreeds.

Furries are humans who believe they are animals.

Comparing both is quite a stretch. If at all, Nekomimi and similar creatures can be compared to centaurs, elves and similar mythological beings form western cultures.

[Anonymous No.]

Biggest derail ever ):

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129864
In the end, both groups want to fuck catlike humans/humanlike cats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129864
>Furries are subhumans who believe they are animals.
fix'd

[Anonymous No.]

>>3129735
Confucianism wasn't anywhere near as important or influential in Japan as it was in China and Buddhism is originally from India anyway.

And you seem to have missed my point; post-WWII, American culture has been the biggest influence in shaping Japan as it is today. Whatever they got from the Chinese or anyone else in the distant reaches of prehistory is trivial by comparison.

>xenophobia
Every nation is xenophobic and insular, and if you think Japan is special in this way (or any other way, really), then you need to take off your headband, put down your pocky and open your eyes.

Why do you think that there's a strong anti-immigration sentiment in the United States, in spite of the fact that immigrants working unpleasant jobs at subhuman wages keeps prices down?

Why did the U.S. pass anti-immigration laws in the early 1900s?

Why do you think Europeans are so furious at the growing Muslim presence?

Everyone is xenophobic, kid, and when you say Japan is somehow special in this regard, you praise them too highly. They're no different than anyone else, apart from some superficialities.

>intentionally and self-consciously embrace it like the Japanese do

This doesn't seem to describe Hikkikomori.

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>>3129905
Does that make barbarians furries?

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>>3129914
Jesus Christ, you're fucking stupid. Xenophobia leads to isolation leads to cultural homogeneity leads to uniqueness. Nobody said xenophobia itself was unique.