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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6wbfQkUI7I

Touhou? I liked it better when it was called Dodonpachi Dai Fukkatsu

>> No.3102254

I don't see any silly hats and frills.

>> No.3102255

☑ Superior graphics
☑ Superior bullet patterns
☑ Superior characters
☑ Superior music
☑ Superior sound effects
☐ Moe lolis

And now you know why everything produced since 2000 sucks.

>> No.3102259

>>3102255

Not being a fan of shooter games, I once thought Touhou games were awesome. Then, I did some research, and ZUN's work really is bottom-of-the-barrel. The only reason it's so popular is because of the absurd fanart collection of the girls.

>> No.3102268

>>3102255
>Touhou
>produced since 2000


You gotta be trolling, lad.

>> No.3102274

>>3102255

this

>> No.3102278

>>3102268

Note that the lolis in early Touhou weren't as bad as they are now.

>> No.3102303

>>3102255

ESP Ra.De. had a moe loli and that didn't prevent it from becoming one of the best shooters ever.

>> No.3102326

>>3102259
Which is really sad, there are lots of games out there (doujin also) better than Touhou. Also, if you notice ZUN drawings don't resemble moe lolis that much, it is the fans that make it look that way.

>> No.3102344

>>3102326

Basically.

>> No.3102359

>>3102303
The only problem with CAVE is getting MAME working is annoying.

>> No.3102408

>>3102326
I mostly play SWR and IamP because the I find the character portraits and sprites fapworthy.

>> No.3102433

>>3102326
Yeah, ZUN's whole style is pretty anti-moe/loli/anime/whatever. You'd never know it by looking at the secondary works because they all desperately want it to be those things.

>> No.3102445

>>3102433
If he was anti-loli, then why does EoSD have three characters described explicitly as children?

>> No.3102468

>>3102445
They didn't really look human to me. Looked more like demented dwarves

>> No.3102492

The touhou shooters were decent until ZUN completely stopped caring if they were playable. He should've stopped after IN but nope gotta milk that cow to death.

He could collab with CAVE or Treasure and have them handle everything but basic character and scenario design but welp.

>> No.3102511

>>3102492
Please don't let Zun design the characters

>> No.3102513
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>>3102492
>He should've stopped after IN but nope gotta milk that cow to death.
You act like this is a new phenomenon
Want to know why Naruto is still running? Not because there's still story to tell, or because the content is good. No, it's still going because it's popular; but you already knew that.

Touhou is popular, therefore it's going to drag on and on for years until it's absolutely intolerable. We already have people that hate it because it's popular, claim they were into it before it was popular, and of course the slew of retards (ie. Cirno fans)

>> No.3102525

If ZUN had half a brain, he'd make an anime series out of it already, but then again, whoever animated it and brought up the story would screw it up who knows how much. I mean, look how bad the fan work anime was.

>> No.3102532

>>3102513

>cirno fans
>retards

DOHOHOHO

>> No.3102538

>>3102492
You say "after IN", when IN is the biggest mess of them all?

>> No.3102540

>>3102445
Child =/= Loli
He could mean they look like teens.

>> No.3102546
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3102546

Looking at 4chan, you'd think Cirno was the most popular character, but on 2chan and other Jap places, she's hardly ever mentioned except in circle nine videos.

>> No.3102554

>>3102546
yep

>> No.3102555

>>3102492
In my opinion, the games still fun. I really like the Touhou gameplay and the difficult setting is hard, but not that hard as DoDonPachi or Mushihime-sama. Which makes it enjoyable and being able to actually get decent at playing them in no time (3 - 4 months).

It would be bad if ZUN had just reused the same patterns over and over and the new spell card where lookalike of others from previous game, which is not the case. The story in Touhou is pretty much nonexistent, but they defeat the purpose: having the characters fighting.

>> No.3102556

>>3102546
Not after Touhou 12.3. And she probably has her own fanclub, along with China. I can't read japanese so i wouldn't know.

>> No.3102557

>>3102546
She just looks good against the blue background is all

>> No.3102564

>>3102492
According to something I read recently on /jp/,
>ZUN doesn't care about being successful

>"However, he has stated that the actual reason why he originally made the game series and Team Shanghai Alice is because he couldn't find any games he liked himself, so he decided to make games he liked entirely by himself. In the Swedish Magazine Interview, he replies to the last question with, "I'm going to keep making games that stand out, so if all my fans disappear I'm still happy I can keep doing the games I want."
I don't know if that's true or not, but I hope it is.

>> No.3102569

>>3102540
Remi and Flan are stated to look under 10 and Rumia is likely around the same age.

>> No.3102571
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>>3102555

>Mushihime-sama

That's not a game, that's a mental rape machine.

>> No.3102577

>>3102564
Yeah he seems to just love making games and music and silly worlds where everyone drinks tea together. Talking about success and milking the series is pretty stupid.

>> No.3102586

>>3102564

Odd, that's what KoG said when I asked him why he keeps making his horrible Flash games.

The day ZUN makes rotatable lolis in his games is the day I leave /jp/.

>> No.3102587

>>3102546
With the (probably well founded) public view the Japanese have of Americans, it probably amuses them to no end that the America likes Cirno so much.

>> No.3102589

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9fmchQq0Qk&NR&fmt=18

Fuck yes, DoDonPachi. My mounth just get all watery just of thinking of it.

>> No.3102591

>rotatable lolis
I'm not sure I understand the concept here.

>> No.3102600

>>3102586
I'd love seeing a helicopter-tan.

>> No.3102602

>>3102569
>Remi and Flan are stated to look under 10
Liar, it doesn't say that anywhere.

>> No.3102614

>>3102589
Wow Touhou doesn't hold a candle to that game. Touhou sucks Dodonpachi is the greatest

>> No.3102618

>>3102602
He makes his own statements, apparently.

>> No.3102620

>>3102586
Does Hina count? Spin spin spin.

>> No.3102627

Touhou may not be the greatest STG, but it has far better bullet patterns than any other. CAVE games are absurdly difficult, but their patterns are boring and generic. The patterns are just there to make the game hard and lack creativity. At least when I get my ass kicked in Touhou, I get it kicked in style.

>> No.3102628

>>3102589
DDP fuckin owns but I still can't beat the first loop and I got sick of grinding it for a while

>> No.3102630

I personally prefer DonPachi over its sequel

>> No.3102633

Who are the most popular Touhous on 2ch.

>> No.3102643

Hey, where do you download the Monpachi soundtrack? I can't find it anywhere.

>> No.3102649

>>3102591

I mean like rotation like in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Awqvl9JLb8

Imagine Touhou danmaku with loli rotation thrown into the mix

>> No.3102653

>>3102649

Why is Cirno in a spaceship?

>> No.3102655

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wotZMGkR_0M&feature=related
This is probably the most insane dodging i've ever seen. Even though he dies at the end, i thought Jesus was playing for a second. The 2nd half of the video where he dodges the bullets is insane.

>> No.3102657

happinech!

>> No.3102658

>>3102653

cuz she's a baka xD

>> No.3102659

>>3102627
True, in Touhou, I feel like an invincible gaming god. With CAVE shooters, on the other hand, I'm forced to feed the virtual machine virtual quarters.

>> No.3102660

>>3102255
More like

☑ Superior graphics
☐ Superior bullet patterns
☐ Superior characters
☐ Superior music
☑ Superior sound effects
☐ Moe lolis

>> No.3102661

>>3102649

I raged at 2:07

>> No.3102666

>>3102649

That was made in Flash?

Needs more glow effects.

>> No.3102674

>>3102655

See, look at that. That game blows any Touhou game out of the water.

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>>3102666

>> No.3102685

>>3102649

/r/ the cirno pic at the end of that vid

>> No.3102686

>>3102660
CAVE games have really fun stages if you can manage them. They're also not THAT hard if you just want to beat them, most of the crazy shit you see is from 2nd loops on ultra mode and stuff. I think they even have selectable stage practice mode on consoles (I've only tried arcade)

>> No.3102695

>>3102660
I think you missed a check mark on superior bullet patterns and music. Check >>3102655

>> No.3102728

I like the whole spell card thing present in the Windows Touhou games.

Nameless patterns just don't feel as unique as them, even though dodging them feels awesome.

In fact... are there many other shmups that have a pattern system similar to spell cards, /jp/?

>> No.3102732

ITT : I'm butthurt because I suck at Touhou.

>> No.3102744

>>3102732
but wouldn't sucking at touhou mean that you suck at these other games too?

>> No.3102746

>>3102695
Those patterns are for the sake of being hard, nothing more. Touhou's patterns can inspire a sense of awe that doesn't stem purely from difficulty. In pretentious terms, they are art and in laymen terms, they are eye-candy. You can easily identify different Touhou bosses based purely on their patterns, something that's much harder to do with a CAVE game.

As for music, the video's sound quality is so shitty that I can't judge it fairly.

>> No.3102762

>>3102746
Are you on PCP when you play Touhou? Or are you just trolling?

>> No.3102763

>>3102744
they are easier so no.

>> No.3102765

>>3102728
Dunno but there are some other doujin games that have the whole.. "patterns that feel like they've been thought up by someone rather than just shot out by a robot" style. I can't name any and most of them are probably too magical girl for me anyway. I'd say to look on shootthecore but HEY what the fuck it's gone. What the hell.

You don't need to like one at the expense of the other, anyway. In fact, not liking "real" shooters because you like Touhou is criminal.

>> No.3102780

>>3102728
Indeed, the spellcard system gives the gameplay personality.

When I think about it, it goes further than just slapping a flowery, symbolic name and changing the background. What is the secret?

>> No.3102785

>>3102762
Excuse the airy tone of the post, but CAVE game patterns are the same fucking bullshit over and over. All the bosses look and feel the same except harder ones have their bullets sped up.

>> No.3102789

>>3102763
oh boy.jpg

>> No.3102790

>>3102732
ITT: I'm butthurt because I can't beat CAVE games

>> No.3102793

>>3102655
has never 1cc'd a touhou at lunatic.

>> No.3102802

>>3102785
I don't play fucking shmups for personality of the bullet patterns. I play for fun and they do have different bullet patterns. Just because they don't have spellcard names doesn't mean they are all the same

>> No.3102805

>>3102765
I do like real shooters, but not having distinct spell cards feels a bit weird. Not any less awesome, though.

In fact, somehow beating bosses on that time I played DDP, doing a lot of awesome stuff yesterday on BWR+ (thanks to danmaku guy), or getting to the latter stages in the PC-98 Touhou games feels a lot better than doing stuff on the Windows Touhou games. Maybe it's because they're a lot harder, I don't know.

I felt something similar to that when I 1cc'd IN Hard, thanks to my lagging computer.

>> No.3102833

>>3102746

CAVE is a bit lazy, but the reason for their bullet design and color is to make the bullets easy to distinguish and have predictable hitboxes, which isn't something that ZUN really gives a shit about. Treasure is better about variety, although the last Treasure joint I played was Gradius V, which had more in it for stoned artfags than any Touhou.

>> No.3102854

>>3102802
Look at a series of last bosses in CAVE games and then look at a series from Touhou. You'll find that the latter category has far better mood and distinction between each boss. Dor example, the fight with Okuu in SA was fucking amazing the first time with the atmosphere and never-before-seen patterns. I've play a few CAVE games before, but I've never been impressed beyond "Holy shit, this is hard."

>> No.3102867

>>3102854
Oh fuck, meant "For example", not "Dor example".

>> No.3102872

>>3102805
Well, that's fine then. I get what you mean too, the PC-98 patterns make you move around more and they're simpler and more comprehensible. Weaving around a lot is fun. The Windows ones are really just a different style of game that scratches a different itch.

>> No.3102878

>>3102854
Yah Touhou is a lot more artsy and different, but it's easier than CAVE games. CAVE just feels more legit as a shmup.

>> No.3102884

>>3102728
Probably the castle shikigami games. But they are just non-doujin touhou anyway.

I wish zun would make a traditional shooter, just once. Sometimes you don't want to dodge curtains of fire. Sometimes, you just want to fly around and blow up everything that comes on screen, like Raiden or something. Like a whole youkai/ghost town appears and everything is shooting at you and you have to go flatten it.

I also wish he would come up with better stage enemies than fairies and fuzzballs and invincible bullet explosions.

>> No.3102886

>>3102854
The bosses are interesting and have distinct stylistic identities. You just didn't play enough to sort them out. Stop talking down on some of the best shooters ever made that you've hardly even played, just because your love of Touhou will crack if you admit there are much better games in the genre.

>> No.3102897

>>3102884
I wish he'd learn to make better stages, which would include stage enemies, yeah. I think part of the problem is that Touhou doesn't have giant satisfying explosions like most other games.

>> No.3102904

>>3102897
Touhou bosses explode when you beat them. Inexplicably so, in fact.

>> No.3102906

>>3102897
True, you just kinda talk to them and they go away. It's gotta have *BOOOOOM* to be a good game.

>> No.3102909

>>3102886
Though I agree that the guy is wrong about the bosses I have to say that Touhou has a distinct (gameplay) feel to it that isn't present in (many) other STGs. It's quite possible to like Touhou more than other 'superior' STGs for that reason. Hell, I think of other STGs as almost a separate entity, I'm usually in a different mindset when playing them.

>> No.3102922

your all a bunch of faggots. nobody plays touhou for the games, they only gravitate to it because of the small girls in frilly dresses with cookie cutter powers.

>> No.3102927

>>3102922
Oh you....

>> No.3102929

>>3102904
Stars everywhere!

>> No.3102937

If there is one thing I have to give KoG credit for, it is the attention he gives Cirno in his games. Most people don't even include Cirno anywhere and always have "EPIC REIMU VS PATCHOULI FINAL BOSS SMIRK.JPG XD". At least he can be creative.

Too bad he has the programming skills of a goldfish.

>> No.3102942

>>3102909
Yeah true, I suppose they're only "better" if you distill it down to two games in the same genre and compare that way. I just get mad when people are so myopic about it that they trash some really excellent games.

>> No.3102943

>>3102937

Whoa, is Patchouli's name a pun on DoDonPachi?

>> No.3102945

>>3102937

Where did the whole Pachouli being the final boss even come from? Did one famous game maker do it, and everybody copies him?

>> No.3102952

>>3102943
You might be reading to deep there

>> No.3102953

>>3102945

When you don't know, just blame IOSYS. They're usually to blame for every retarded Touhou fad to come out.

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>>3102937

Oh yes, so original and cleaver.

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3102998

>>3102968

Name one fan game that has PC-98 Marisa as a boss.

>> No.3103001

>>3102998

There's a reason PC98 characters rarely show up in fan games, especially in their old attire.

They suck.

>> No.3103008

>>3102998

All that red made me RAGE

>> No.3103011

>>3102953
Do you know who's really to blame? You, Anonymous, you.

>> No.3103013

>Not a single Anonymous Jones post in this thread

A fine thread indeed.

>> No.3103019

>>3102945
Probably MegaMari unless it's older than that

>> No.3103025

>>3102968

One of these days, I'm going to stop complaining about KoG making horrible flash games and make a game of my own.

;_;

>> No.3103060

derp

>> No.3103067

Touhou is like Pokémon. ZUN could die, and this crap could still go on for decades. The fan base is too huge.

>> No.3103092

>>3103067
If ZUN died, what's his name who runs nicovideo would stage a coverup and have more games ghostwritten

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