Why does everyone think Shannon and Kanon are the same person? Why is Ronove so awesome?

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Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:05:35 2009 No.2983621 [Reply] [Original]

Why does everyone think Shannon and Kanon are the same person?

Why is Ronove so awesome?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 21:54:49 2009 No.2982984 >>2982955 Good show sir

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 21:55:49 2009 No.2982994 Fuck yeah, mangagamer. SUCK MY DICK OR DIE, if you know what i mean.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 22:01:49 2009 No.2983026 >>2982994 you lost me

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 23:04:49 2009 No.2983309 Requesting Peterhead censor.

>>	Sakura !!sCKns1iPkwx Thu Jul 23 00:07:35 2009 No.2983630 >>Why does everyone think Shannon and Kanon are the same person? So they can make their culprit X theories. >>Why is Ronove so awesome? He's ok.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:07:35 2009 No.2983636 Does Battler ever actually speak to Kanon other than the beginning of episode 1?

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Thu Jul 23 00:07:35 2009 No.2983629 Never appear in the same place before Battler. They're similar in physical appearance. Come from the same place. Are weird. He's a fabulous demon lord who makes delicious confectionery treats. What's not awesome about that?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:08:35 2009 No.2983638 >Why does everyone think Shannon and Kanon are the same person? People are incompetent and want to believe that there's an 18th person. >Why is Ronove so awesome? It's the cookies.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:08:35 2009 No.2983646 >>2983621 Because he's Genji who is equally as awesome.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:09:35 2009 No.2983648 >>2983638 There are 17 people on the island. Shannon = Kanon does not change that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:09:35 2009 No.2983650 >>2983621 They're trying to find the people who could potentially not count towards the headcount, which has been stated in red. He's not. He's generally somewhat amusing when he shows up, but I wouldn't call him awesome.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:11:35 2009 No.2983660 >>2983648 Shannon=kanon means that there is room for human Beatrice, which Battler DID see at the end of episode 4.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:11:35 2009 No.2983658 Because Ronove is FAAAAAAABULOUS

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:12:35 2009 No.2983664 >>2983648 18 including both shannon and kanon

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:13:35 2009 No.2983672
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Also, regarding chapter 2:

Isn't it stated in red that Kanon is killed, but Shanon was still alive? It was also later stated that: No one exists in this room except all of you. All of you refers to Battler, George, Maria, Rosa, Genji, Gohda, and Shannon.

Am I missing something?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:13:35 2009 No.2983677 >>2983629 Just out of curiosity, when is it established that if Battler doesn't see it with his own eyes it could be false? I'm only halfway through the third episode, so maybe it just hasn't come up yet.

>>	Sakura !!sCKns1iPkwx Thu Jul 23 00:14:35 2009 No.2983681 >>2983664 There are 17 people on the island. If Kanon=Shannon, that means that we only know of 16 people on the island, meaning we can have a 17th culprit X. There are not 18 people.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:14:35 2009 No.2983685 >>2983677 Come back here once you're done the 4th, lest you get spoiled.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:14:35 2009 No.2983688 >>2983677 It's never officially established. It's mainly inferred from events in episode 3 and 4, but you can pick it up before then.

>>	Sakura !!sCKns1iPkwx Thu Jul 23 00:17:35 2009 No.2983703 >>2983677 because anything you see involving magic or Kinzo is obviously false. Battler never witnesses magic, yet all the other characters seem to at some point.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:18:35 2009 No.2983711 >>2983672 Nevermind, she stated that Kanon was killed in this room. I misread it. My bad.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:19:35 2009 No.2983718 File: 207 KB, 650x581, stepdownbitch.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Because he is.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:22:35 2009 No.2983738 If Shannon=Kanon, what gender is he/she?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:24:35 2009 No.2983749 >>2983738 Probably female, since "Kanon" didn't appear until 2 years before the start of the story.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:27:35 2009 No.2983763 >>2983738 both ^.^

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:27:35 2009 No.2983764 >>2983749 But then you'd have to explain why Jessica fell in love with Kanon.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:28:35 2009 No.2983769

Shannon can't be Kanon. Wouldn't the other servants have noticed? Or Natshui/Krauss? If Shannon/Kanon's a guy, George would have noticed it when they had sexy shenanigans. If she's a girl, she wouldn't have been able to hide her xbox hueg breasts.

And surely, they would have been assigned the same shift at one point or another, and given different assignments. Realistically, he/she couldn't have continuously finished two peoples' worth of work in one shift without anyone catching on.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:28:35 2009 No.2983772 File: 169 KB, 527x480, The true culprit 2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2983738 Opinions differ, I think female. Jessica is obviously a lesbian killer

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:29:35 2009 No.2983780 >>2983764 maybe jessica didn't know he was a she? or hey, maybe she's just into chicks.

>>	dasuraga !8GgBtN/zr. Thu Jul 23 00:30:35 2009 No.2983783 >>2983769 yeah the problem is mainly that the servants and Natsuhi/Krauss would have to be in on it, but I don't see why this benifits them at all

>>	Sakura !!sCKns1iPkwx Thu Jul 23 00:31:35 2009 No.2983788 >>2983769 That's like saying, "Wouldn't people have noticed Kinzo was already dead? I mean, Nanjo was playing chess with him and gave him a diagnosis in the first episode."

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:31:35 2009 No.2983789 >>2983780 Well, she IS a tomboy...

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:36:35 2009 No.2983814 Ronove would be the best lover ever.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:37:35 2009 No.2983820 >>2983769 The servants are probably in on the whole thing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:38:35 2009 No.2983825 >>2983820 It's clear that they are to some degree.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:42:35 2009 No.2983845

Posted this yesterday, reposting as its relevant to this thread.

>Kanon = Shannon sounds stupid, but reread their interactions with each other. They seriously could pass as Gollum talking with Smeagol, with Kanon being the former and Shannon being the latter.

>Bonus points because the one time in which their conversation is interrupted (Kanon talking to Shannon in episode 2 about how horrible Gohda is before she's sent to serve dinnger), Kanon literally disappears in spite of the fact that he had been right behind Shannon.

>Some more food for thought: What if the whole breaking of the mirror incident was metaphorical?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:46:35 2009 No.2983858 George and Shannon never being sacrifices in the first twilight would also support that they're the same person, given Kanon/Shannon's relationship with the two.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:49:35 2009 No.2983879

>>2983825
>>2983820
I've been meaning to go through the Battler-narration and red text facts and pick out the absolute minimums for who has to be an accomplice/murderer, who has to be at least hiding something, who has to be somehow involved for popular theory X to work, etc.

One important part of that would be that the Eagle servants are all at least at the same level as Nanjo, since they all pretend Kinzo is alive at some point. Krauss as well, probably, although Genji could conceivably have been able to keep up the act for him, too. I have a feeling there's some sort of will or something that they show Natsuhi and Rosa in Episodes 1 and 2 to make them suddenly start talking about their interactions with Kinzo, too. Anyways, though, unfortunately the weird stuff that goes on with Kinzo doesn't automatically make the people associated with it the killers.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:55:35 2009 No.2983904 Shannon = Kannon is supported too heavily to be false. They make room for human Beatrice, who is probably also the one who inherited Kinzo's name

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:58:35 2009 No.2983921

>>2983879
>>2983858
That reminds me, Kanon=Shannon runs into a huge problem in the first twilight of Ep3: although it's not explicitly stated who goes around finding the corpses, it's reasonable to assume it's more than just Nanjo, and everyone doing the checking would have to be in on Shannon=Kanon. Even just Nanjo is trouble, since it seems like Shannon=Kanon is generally used to give that person a reason for being a crazy killer, rather than freeing up a spot for mystery guest X, so having people "in" on Shkannon's identity is sort of a stretch.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:00:35 2009 No.2983929

>>2983879
>I've been meaning to go through the Battler-narration and red text facts and pick out the absolute minimums for who has to be an accomplice/murderer, who has to be at least hiding something, who has to be somehow involved for popular theory X to work, etc.
I've been meaning to do this too. Surely someone already has?

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:02:35 2009 No.2983939

>>2983904
That "inheritable name" thing is pretty silly. There are plenty of other ways to explain that red text, like "they recognized his corpse" or "they _thought_ they recognized his voice without seeing him." That was the theory that led me to believe that the first theory Battler comes up with for anything (ignoring the ones disproved within a few paragraphs) is wrong, since it seemed so painfully stupid but was presented as a legitimate possibility.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:03:35 2009 No.2983943 >>2983921 Nanjo is clearly in on it. "I've got an alibi, I was playing chess with a dead guy."

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:06:35 2009 No.2983954

>>2983929
I'm sure someone in Japan has, but I haven't come across anything in English. It could be because I think it's probably harder than it sounds... there are probably plenty of places where two people can fill the same roll with the other being innocent, or really obnoxious semantical issues with red text ("only the unidentifiable bodies in Ep1Twilight1 are guaranteed -> Shannon is still alive") making you go through all sorts of crazy ideas, etc.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:14:35 2009 No.2983982

>>2983943
The only thing he has to be in on is hiding Kinzo's death, which can be as innocent as what Kyrie accuses Krauss of: something only related to the inheritance fight with no one needing to be murdered. Now, obviously people hiding deaths are pretty suspicious, but there are definitely no guarantees. I'd also say that Nanjo tends to seem more like a plotter caught up in someone else's much scarier plot, trying to just act normal and stay safe, than the murderer's accomplice.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:15:35 2009 No.2983989 >>2983921 Shannon's corpse is found first and Kanon's corpse is found last. Take that as you will. More importantly, Battler never sees the corpses himself. Only the adults do.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:15:35 2009 No.2983991 >>2983982 There are other suspicious points about Nanjo, but they may just be me looking into it too much. - He's supposedly known Kinzo for years, yet Battler has never met him. - He's never died on the first twilight

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:19:35 2009 No.2984002 >>2983982 Based on the epitaph, I think the murderer has to be well aware of Kinzo's situation. Nanjo should have realized this, too, even if he was innocent.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:21:35 2009 No.2984008

>>2983989
It's the adults that I'm talking about. Every adult that sees the corpses is one that has to be in on Shannon=Kanon, which beyond Krauss and Natsuhi is pretty outlandish. I will admit that the "corpse" of one could conceivably have jumped up to go be the corpse of the other, though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:23:35 2009 No.2984013 >>2984008 >which beyond Krauss and Natsuhi is pretty outlandish. Why? Hideyoshi covered up for Eva in episode 3. He's clearly capable of it, although you could argue that he would only do that for her.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:25:35 2009 No.2984022

Shanon and Kanon are different people, and they're both on the island.

But that doesn't mean they never cover for each other, right? Like maybe if a certain someone who has a death in episode 1 that seems mysterious has some sort of strange disease? Like maybe a disease that would be obvious to anyone performing an autopsy?

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:27:35 2009 No.2984026

>>2984002
It seems pretty likely that there's more than one, so the person tossing him in the incinerator could be completely unrelated to the actual murders. As a fun bonus fact, the one episode where he makes it to the Golden Land instead of the furnace is the one where Krauss and Natsuhi both die in the first twilight.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:28:35 2009 No.2984031 >>2983769 Simple <spoiler>the xbox huge breasts is <spoiler fake </spoiler> </spoiler>

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:29:35 2009 No.2984035 Simple the xbox huge breasts is fake

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:29:35 2009 No.2984038 >>2984026 That's interesting, but in that case, the murderer would have to recognize their efforts and thus decide to incorporate Kinzo into their ritual. Otherwise, there would be duplicates of a twilight.

Sakura !!sCKns1iPkwx Thu Jul 23 01:32:35 2009 No.2984049

Every time Kinzo is found in the furnace, does he always have the stake in his forehead? How come they never bother stabbing it somewhere else to satisfy one of the other twilights? Or was he stabbed with the stake before the events even began?

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:33:35 2009 No.2984051

>>2984013
Unless you assume the other siblings knew about it before coming to the island, then you end up with a situation where Krauss says "oh btw now that people are getting murdered, two of our servants are the same person," and it doesn't get discussed any further than that or told to the kids.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:33:35 2009 No.2984052 File: 28 KB, 880x496, g457jgj.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2984031 >>2984035

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:36:35 2009 No.2984066 >>2984026 since when getting devoured alive is making to Golden Village ?!?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:45:35 2009 No.2984106 >>2984066 >village I smell /a/ on you. It smells bad.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:53:35 2009 No.2984157 File: 12 KB, 188x209, 1247695528562.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2984106 >>2984106 Kirie went for a walk on Rokken Island, where she met Maria who was making "that sound."

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:57:35 2009 No.2984182 >>2984157 What's wrong with "Kirie"? It's not like she's one of Kinzo's children with a western name.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 02:00:35 2009 No.2984190 >>2984182 Kyrie Elesion

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 02:04:35 2009 No.2984207 >>2984190 Alright, that makes sense

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 02:07:35 2009 No.2984220

Almost anything is better than Witch Hunt's translation. I can overlook the mediocre editing, and they do seem to get their facts and tiny little losable-in-translation semantics issues right, but "George-aniki, "<name> oba/oji-san," etc. are just painful. I can't imagine anyone who doesn't cry themselves to sleep every night over the fact that they weren't born Japanese thinking even for a second that that's a good way to translate something.

>>	Trollkastel !!YSTYW7Om7uL Thu Jul 23 02:17:35 2009 No.2984262 >>2984220 It's proper. ROKKENJIMA is in Japan, so.

>>	The /jp/ Police !3GqYIJ3Obs Thu Jul 23 02:30:35 2009 No.2984332 >>2983621 Ronove reminds me of mugenjohncel.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 02:45:35 2009 No.2984390 >>2984332 FUCK YOU! I CAN'T UNSEE!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 03:56:35 2009 No.2984616 >>2984220 Yeah, I really don't understand why Aunt Eva wouldn't suffice.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 04:00:49 2009 No.2984630 >>2982955 >>2982977 I've been wondering when we'd start to see this. Requesting Nitro+ game pink bra images.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 04:11:35 2009 No.2984657 >>2984220 Oh no, HONORIFICS. Throw the entire translation overboard. It's ruined.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 04:15:35 2009 No.2984664 >>2984332 WHAT HAVE YOU DONE YOU'RE FIRED

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 04:16:35 2009 No.2984668 >>2984332 When good cops go bad.

Anonymous Mon Dec 28 16:45:43 2009 No.2984668,1 [INTERNAL]

I dont like believing this theory of KShannon
but it would make sense I mean same face and they are so quite noone really notices them
if its true the servants have to be in on it
one thing when
its stated in red that kannon died in this room
Kannon being the name of the servant which Jessica denied and said he was human
therfore killing kanon.
Ronove is just epic

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