/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

I just finished EP4 and I would like to read some known theories (I'd been skipping /jp's/ spoilers until I finished all the games).

One thing I quite didn't get is the part where Battler's identity is discussed. Beatrice states that the real Battler died 6 years involved in a scheme by Rudolf to get his part of the inheritance, and that the current Battler is using that fake identity. But then Ange tells Battler that he is indeed Rudolf's son (although not Asumu's). Doesn't this contradict Beatrice? Or are we led to believe that Rudolf had two sons?

[Trollkastel !!YSTYW7Om7uL No.]

A popular theory is that Kyrie and Asumu had a kid swap for some reason. Beatrice was fucking with Battler by saying he wasn't birthed by Asumu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975496

So, does that mean he was Kyrie's son all along?

[Anonymous No.]

>Beatrice states that the real Battler died 6 years involved in a scheme by Rudolf to get his part of the inheritance, and that the current Battler is using that fake identity.

She was lying. Why would you believe that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975507

I thought it was in red. Did I remember wrong?

[Trollkastel !!YSTYW7Om7uL No.]

>>2975506

Maybe.

[Anonymous No.]

No there isn't any contradiction. It's perfectly possible for Battler to be Rudolph's son but not Asumu's.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975506
That's the most accepted theory, yes. Don't dwell on the whole "fake Battler think too much. That was just Beatrice's way of getting out of the game.

[Anonymous No.]

So then the "sin thing" was a lie?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975525
No, that was true. It just has nothing to do with his immediate family.

[Anonymous No.]

Worrying about a fake Battler or two sons is silly. It's obvious there is some wordplay going on and that the whole thing was a trick to make Battler give up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975514
Beatrice has lied in red before.

EP3 "I keep my promises" in red, so if the epitaph was solved the killings would stop. EVA solved the epitaph and the killings continued. Way to lie using red.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975514

That bit was not in red.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975557

Beatrice has never promised that she would stop the killings if the epitaph is solved.

[Trollkastel !!YSTYW7Om7uL No.]

>>2975557

She DID keep her promise. She didn't kill anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975557
Who says Eva solved the epitaph? All she did was find the gold.

[Anonymous No.]

The fake battler thing is a big hint to who the human beatrice is. Ryu-sama is going to explain it. sooner or later.

[Anonymous No.]

What is that Shannon = Kannon Theory I've seen so many times here in /jp/?

[Anonymous No.]

EP 3 said Kyrie had a son the same time as Asumu. But it made it sound like Kyrie's son died.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975573
The main point of the theory is that game piece Battler has never seen the two of them together.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975557
Beatrice stopped killing, but EVA started.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975564
>>2975565
>>2975558
>>2975563
It was in Red, I just replayed it last night so I'm pretty sure of it. The wording wasn't "I'll stop the killings" but "The killings will stop". Implication is that no matter who the culprit is the killings will stop once the epitaph is solved. And the only way to find the gold is by solving the epitaph, the epitaph was solved since the gold was found.

I thought of all those alternative explanations as well but it all come down to her lying.

[Anonymous No.]

Come to think of it, who says Eva really found the gold? Or that it even exists in the first place? We don't know either of these.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975583

Neither did George nor Jessica nor Maria.

[Anonymous No.]

>a human other than me
what

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975557

On this tangent, didn't Beato also state in red in Maria's world that no magic can be used to revive Sakutarou, and yet Ange did?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975593
I still think Eva never actually solved the epitaph.

[Anonymous No.]

Beatrice is Battler's grandmother.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975611
Ange didn't use magic, she found Sakutaro already fixed in the boat house.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975593
As it turns out, Humans can't lie with the red text, but witches can. Battler is a human, therefore he couldn't lie with it. Beatrice was able to lie using the red text, therefore she is a witch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975620
That still wouldn't have brought Sakutarou back. Only if Rosa fixed it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975625
Rosa did fix it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975611
Ange's magic is magic inherited from Beatrice. Ange's magic = Beato's magic.

The vessel was already fixed so all Ange had to do was use endless magic to call back the soul of Sakutarou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975636
From the grave? What?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975609
Nothing wrong with this statement. Witches are human who can use magic in front of people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975640
She fixed it when she was still alive, i.e. 12 years before Ange found him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975640
She fixed it before the family conference, and was going to give it to Maria as a present. She left it at the boathouse and was never able to reclaim it because she was killed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975655
>She fixed it before the family conference, and was going to give it to Maria as a present. She left it at the boathouse and was never able to reclaim it because she was killed.

I aprove of this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975652
>>2975655
Makes sense, but was it ever implied?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975640
Rosa regrettet destroying the doll and fixed it, so reviving him is possible. Beato didn't know that so she couldn't revive Sakutarou. Ange saw the doll in the boat house so she was able to do it.
But why the fuck was the doll in the boat house?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975664
Heavily. Go back to that scene. You'll notice it right away.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975655
D'awwww, Rosa really is the best mom

[Anonymous No.]

Oh what the fuck, that makes sense now.

I finished Episode 4 a while ago, and I never figured out what Ange was so stunned at when she was in the boat house.

hurf derf

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975647
Well yeah, but it does sound a bit strange since Beato always goes "No human could do this, riiiiiiiiight?".

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975664
The red implies that only Rosa could fix Sakutaro, so you just go from there and think of how he logically was revived.

Of course, this is all from an anti-fantasy standpoint.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975665
Probably meant to give it to Maria as a surprise for being a good girl during the conference. Told the boat captain to hang onto it and bring it with him when they came to pick them up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975681
Makes sense. Any idea why the captain couldn't see it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975684
It's been sitting in his house for 12 years, he probably didn't think of it as anything special. So when she was shouting like a crazed lunatic at a pile of old garbage he couldn't figure why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975681
bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[Trollkastel !!YSTYW7Om7uL No.]

>>2975672

;)

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>Another shitty Umineko thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975723
>IMAGES ON AN IMAGE BOARD? HOW DARE THEY!

>DISCUSSION ON AN IMAGE BOARD? HOW DARE THEY!

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975728
lol u mad

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975723
Dont worry, I'll make you a japanese bird thread so you'll have something to participate in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975723

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975732
What sucks about Umineko threads is that they're both worse and more frequent than Japanese bird and Touhou threads combined.

Seriously, does anyone really like this shit? It's one of the worst VN series in existence.

[Anonymous No.]

This was very confusing. I mean, is Battler really that stupid? Without her he'd have lost in EP3 already.

[Anonymous No.]

>This thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975756
0/10, couldn't be more obvious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975756

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975767
Would YOU trust anybody after what happened in episode 3 with Virgilia?

[Karesh !kw3EPy0aUY No.]

>>2975789
I trust Bernkastel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975789
You can't trust anything but the red

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975801

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975801
Are you serious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975801
i don't trust her anymore
She's just like Lambdadelta

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975801
Witches Tanabata :/
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2490281&highlight=tanabata#post2490281

It's written by Ryukishi07, so it's Canon. You can think of it like an extra TIP.

[Karesh !kw3EPy0aUY No.]

>>2975829
>>2975823
>>2975817
I don't see why I shouldn't.

After all, she never lies to Battler.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975829
Does Lambda not like cauliflower?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975801
>>2975837

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975801
>>2975801
Witches Tanabata :/
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2490281&#post2490281

It's written by Ryukishi07 like an extra TIP for episode 4, so it's canon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975837
She lied to Ange

[Anonymous of Germany !WvzhzxDiIQ No.]

>>2975767
The only smart move was to not trust anyone. Also as she was the first "time traveler", it was obviously a concept he wasn't familiar with and he coudln't have known. Especially since he is sceptical against magic in the first place. He suspected it, as mentioned, but couldn't believe in it. And I wouldn't have either.

[Anonymous No.]

She's crazy
You Are Now Warned

[Anonymous No.]

Kumasawa is Virgilia/original Beatrice and had a daughter with Kinzo. Human Beatrice/real name Maria was the girl in Kuwadorian and died from the fall off the cliff. Kinzo's wish that he wanted to fulfill before he died was to resurrect her. Kinzo said in his will that he wants the ceremony done, so all the servants and Nanjo assist the culprit to complete the resurrection ceremony.

[Suigin !YUsuiginy. No.]

Battler is Shiki

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975847
Short version:
The witches have a festival called Tanabata, where they fill wishes. Beatrice and Lambadelta do stuff in their own way, and pester Bernkastel to participate too.

Back in the real world Eva has just come back to Ange from the Rokkenjima massacre. Eva considers Ange her only surviving family, and tells her she can count on her for anything, and to treat her as a replacement mother if she can.

Bern arrives to talk with Ange, and tells her she will fill her wish of having her family back, but with a few conditions. Ange must definitely not accept Eva as a mother, or her real mother will never come home. Ange must never smile again, or feel happiness, or feel joy. If she does, Bern will take it as a sign that Ange doesn't want her family to come back anymore. "Eva is a demon who will try and steal away your family for all eternity. No, she actually DID STEAL THEM AWAY." The next morning Ange announced that to Eva.

So in the end the hatred between Ange and Eva was started by Bern. She says:
"......Isn't this kind of Tanabata more wonderful in a witch's eyes? ............*giggle*. Ahhahahahahahaha.... Aaah, I won't be bored. At least, not for awhile.""

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975840
But that's broccoli...

Oh, u

[Anonymous No.]

Who is the most likely candidate to be the murderer?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976009
Depends on the episode

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976009
It's you, Anonymous. You are the murderer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976022

There may be more than one murderer, but I think they are the same for all episodes. What's the point of switching murderers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976009
Battler himself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976036
Different circumstances can drive different characters to different actions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976036

Higurashi did it, even though there was ultimately one mastermind. Perhaps the same will apply here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976071
You could consider Kizo to the the mastermind, I suppose.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976036
It's impossible for it always to be the same person. Look at the deaths.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975976

Oh God, what.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976099
All witches are trolls. No exceptions.

[Anonymous No.]

Jessica is obviously the mastermind. She's yandere for kan-I mean, Shannon. She may or may not get her hands dirty each episode

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976055
It was denied
But he may not be battler so...

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976055
Battler being the murderer goes against the rules of mystery.

You cannot have the detective himself be the murderer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976121
It was only denied in the case of Nanjo's death. You need to be more careful when dealing with the red.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976130

Watched the movie Tenebrae?

[Anonymous No.]

How come Battler was the only one left at the end of ep 4?

Did Beato say they were all homicide? Or one of them is a suicide/accident?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976159
They didn't really go into episode 4 at all. All Beatrice said was that Kanon was the 9th to die.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975672
>>2975748
It's hard to think that with that picture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976159
Once a lot of people are dead, it's only natural that the rest become suspicious of each other. It's possible that the killer may have been killed by one of the people who hadn't killed before that point.

For example if we assume that the episode 3 ending with Eva shooting Battler is true, does it mean that Eva is the killer, or had she deduced in her mind that Battler is the killer, and so killed him before he could have a chance to kill her.

[Anonymous No.]

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[Anonymous No.]

>>2976170
http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Text

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976188
And? That's more or less all she said regarding the deaths in episode 4.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976183
i see , it could work that way
then we need to know the last one to die, and kanon is excluded

[Anonymous No.]

any chance that the first twilight took place at the end?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976215
What do you mean?

Battler was the last to die in episode 4. All that food was most likely poisoned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976224
the last one to die before battler,
I don't remember him fiding weapon near corpses, so how the one before him got killed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976240

[spoilers]Maria was the last to die. She saw all the destruction and the corpses, regretted her part in it all, and killed herself with poison. The "Beatrice" Battler saw didn't die, but instead opened the pin boxes for that kakera.[/spoilers]

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976240
The weapons could have been disposed of in the well. The gaps between the bars were big enough, I think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976240

If you're talking about Maria, she was poisoned by eating the food as well if you followed >>2976224 theory about food poisoning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976220
No. It was reported on the telephone that a bunch of people had died to the kids, remember?

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder if Kinzo's will be a big motive for the murders. The killer could be a person who has first received the will in secret in each game, with instructions from Kinzo on how to obtain the inheritance. The ritual would be the recipients way of proving they can raise the Ushiromiya family to greatness like Kinzo did. In the fourth game something changed, which caused them to start testing the children instead.

So eventually Kinzo would be revealed to be the mastermind from beyond the grave. The 3 Eagle servants treat themselves as furniture, so they'd be there to assist in most scenarios. It might be a bit too obvious to have Kinzo as a mastermind, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976430
It would make more sense to assume that Kinzo knew that his inheritors would be cold-blooded enough to start murdering one another once he gave them the letter that pushed them over the edge (or his "will" in this case, that Nanjo kept on urging him to make).

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976430

4 episodes = Kinzo's four children?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976513

Interesting, as it is interesting to note that in every game the focus has been shifted from the four different wifes (Natsuhi for EP1, Rosa for EP2, Eva for EP3, and Kyrie for EP4). Could the husbands be the ones carrying out the murders?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976391
they could have lied to lure them out

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975655
Is this the first time we see this theory?

This is clearly more realistic than all those shitty kanon=shannon and battler small boms theories.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978494
>shitty kanon=shannon
How is it shitty? How about you replay umineko with that in mind, paying attention to what battler sees.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2976795
Rosa's husband!?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978552
Lets see Natsuhi, Jessica, Krauss and all the servants can't recognize the difference between Kanon and Shannon? They stay in the same house for god know how many years.

I don't see that happening unless they were twins or some clone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978560
More like nearly everyone knows they're the same person except Battler.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978560
>>Lets see Natsuhi, Jessica, Krauss and all the servants can't recognize the difference between a dead Kinzo and a living one? They stay in the same house for god know how many years.

[Anonymous No.]

Battler is the witch.

problem solved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978591
I just shit mahself

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978581
I think that you have forgotten the part where none of them were allowed to go into Kinzo room besides Ronove (I mean Genji).

[Anonymous No.]

Kanon = Shannon sounds stupid, but reread some of their interactions. They seriously could pass as Gollum talking with Smeagol, with Kanon being the former and Shannon being the latter.

Bonus points because the one time in which their conversation is interrupted (Kanon talking to Shannon in episode 2 about how horrible Gohda is before she's sent to serve dinnger), Kanon literally disappears in spite of the fact that he had been right behind Shannon.

Some more food for thought: What if the whole breaking of the mirror incident was metaphorical?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978606

I think you have forgotten the part where Krauss, Natsuhi, Nanjo, Genji, Kanon, and Shannon have all been in Kinzo's room.

[Anonymous No.]

If Shannon is Kanon, the murders could all still be explained by mystery person X, who is the 17th person, rather than the 18th or 19th. This could be the one who inherited Kinzo's name, or human beatrice, or both.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978613
And the fact that Kanon is supposed to be as silent as a cat when walking in emphasized a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

The Siestas are Maria's rabbit figurines.

[Anonymous No.]

ugh...im playing ep 2

and its getting boring fast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978613

Oh wow he DOES just flat-out disappear in that scene. I have no idea what to think anymore!

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978613
The question I'd like to ask is, why are they doing it?

[Anonymous No.]

Shannon = Kanon is probably a retcon.

scenes where they are together in the presence of another could just a hiccup on the part of the storywriter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978662
I refuse to explain what motivation they could have.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978665
>scenes where they are together in the presence of another
Don't matter. Unless it's piece battler.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978653
gb2/a/

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978662
Shannon is the female side who wants to be human, hence her crappiness at being a servant, also the side that loves george.

Kanon is the "servant" mentality, with close to 0 social ability as theres not supposed to be much "human" in that persona, also the side who loves Jessica.

so technically...Shannon/Kanon is bisexual, regardless of gender.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978674
>implying just because someone doesn't like umineko that they must be from /a/

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978674
shutupyourface

no really, after ep1's brickshitting and lolwut teaparty, i expected ep2 to be all cat and mouse.

instead i get "my life as a crazy maid-o" by shannon

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978697
>brick shitting
>lolwut

xDDDDD

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978697
>I just read the first 5 minutes of EP2 and feel the need to inform everyone on my personal 4chan blog about my findings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978720
If you want to accuse someone of blogging ridiculously like that at least accuse the OP, not some miscellaneous replier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978720
>I browse /jp/ and point out comments of an anonymous user which are for the most part trivial, i wonder how long it will be before i kill myself

thats tough broski.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978697
Ep2 is kind of iffy, but the end is fucking awesome, if you don't trudge through the sugoi kawaii Shannon/George relationship building, you're a faggot for missing out on godhax Rosa.

[Anonymous No.]

Kanon = Shannon is quite possibly the stupidest theory on /jp/. If that were true, then who the fuck did both Jessica and George fall in love with *before* October 4? Are you trying to imply, that somehow the same person that went with Jessica to the cultural festival is the exact same person that went on that date with George to the aquarium? I swear to God...

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978716
DAWWWWWWwwww aint you just a cute lil' retard~

here, have some antifreeze.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978731
Not as iffy as episode 4.

I'm glad we get hamburgers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978697
You get moe Beatrice, nice Beatrice, you really get to love her.
The love between Shannon and George gets explained and built up only to be brutally destroyed by Beatrice while she laughs and makes fun of them yeah and killing them.
>ep1's brickshitting
wait until ep3 when you find out that Beatrice's being nice and sweet was only an act to troll Battler.

[Anonymous No.]

Hey /a/, go back to your own board to discuss Umineko.

[Anonymous No.]

Two sudden ideas I had:

1. Beatrice says in red that she doesn't break her promises. She also says nobody will be murdered after the epitaph is solved, in red. This means the epitaph was never actually solved!

2. Beatrice says in red:

"Starting when Maria's key was received, and until the instant Rosa unsealed it the next day, it passed through no one's hands!!"

But she doesn't say that it wasn't opened, used, and then sealed again, and unsealed again later; there's the whole gap between midnight for Rosa to do all sorts of shenanigans; a huge hole in the red text.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978733

Jessica is in on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978668
>>2978662
Continuing from >>2978613:
>The question I'd like to ask is, why are they doing it?

This is actually very simple to answer. We've seen again and again that whomever "Beatrice" is strongly desires to have both the victims and the rest of the world acknowledge that witches exist and that the murders were for an occult resurrection ceremony - things like the money are obviously secondary, given the roundabout way in which the mastermind acts.

In other words, Meta-Beatrice is simply a personification of the actual killer's determination and aims.

And as we've seen, both Shannon and Kanon desire to be human, which will only happen if the witch appears and the door to the Golden Land opens via the resurrection ceremony. Basically, if the witch exists, furniture can become human.

Some other things to think about:
Kanon and Shannon are funiture made by Kinzo

The portrait and epitaph were hung 2 years ago

Kanon appeared for the first time two years ago

Whoever the current Beatrice is called Kinzo "Grandfather" in the beginning of episode 3 and counts Kumasawa as a teacher.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978733
Yes, time inconsistencies dont matter so long as they believe in magic one way or another.

Only the presence/concern of someone who strongly believes magic doesnt exist, or just has 0 spiritual capacity could dispel the illusion/make such a thing impossible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978735
Why are you even on /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978733
Those two are just ridiculously suspicious. The things already pointed out in the thread, plus the fact that, despite not being related in any biological way, they look like twins.

Those can't just be coincidences.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978739
Thanks for ruining it for me you asshat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978697
it'll pick up soon
best ep for me

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978733
How are you so sure those both happened? When you see Battler question Shannon or Kanon about their relationships? When do you see anyone other than Jessica telling him that they're lovers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978760
Screw the circumstantial evidence, that's probably all just a red herring to get you on the wrong track. There's too much evidence already before October 4 to support the theory that Kanon and Shannon are two separate people.

I much, much rather support the theory that Shannon was the young Beatrice at the beginning of episode 3 who called Kinzo grandfather. It makes sense since she started working at the mansion at a very young, 10-year-old age, and there'd be no reason for that if she wasn't already on the island, and the only place for her to be and not be found by Krauss and his family is Kuwadorian.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978775

So you think Kinzo has been screwing Shannon and using her as a cumdumpster?
Seem plausible. Also explain her motive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978756

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>>2978770
Considering that everything before October 4 is the same for all episodes, would you be more willing to believe that Jessica just imagined the whole cultural festival thing and subsequent confession to Kanon, and none of that even happened? Or what about the date at the aquarium? What about George giving the ring to Shannon on October 4? If Shannon = Kanon, then George gave a ring to Shannon on October 4, and Jessica is a bisexual girl who imagined confessing her love to another girl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978787

Imagined?

Beatrice is the narrator.

[Anonymous No.]

george proposed to shannon
shannon is kanon
=
george is gay. he knew the deal with shannon/kanon but went with it anyway, and the reason eva didn't want to approve their relationship wasn't status but the fact that they're both guys and eva is a homophobe

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978780
No, this is the theory. Shannon found out who she really was (Beatrice mark 3) and what happened to her mother who died on the cliff (Beatrice mark 2). Beatrice mark 1 was the original Beatrice Kinzo met and fucked to produce Beatrice mark 2, but then mark 1 dies, so Kinzo also fucks mark 2 to produce mark 3, Shannon. Shannon realizes that her mother and grandmother (and herself even) have been basically held captive by Kinzo for all these years, and she finally cooks up a plan to destroy Kinzo and his entire family while using the witch's epitaph as the backdrop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978806
Yep

[Anonymous No.]

>Kanon and Shannon are funiture made by Kinzo

>The portrait and epitaph were hung 2 years ago

>Kanon appeared for the first time two years ago

Oh snap.

[Anonymous No.]

I hope that Jessica is the culprit, or at least an accomplice.
Because she is so fucking boring right now that they really need something big to make her relevant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978812
That's so crazy it might be true

[Anonymous No.]

All the furniture "made by Kinzo" are robots.

ie Kanon, Shannon and Genji.

This leaves room for more people on the island.

You wouldn't put it past Kinzo, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978812
So who's Kanon? If you don't accept that they're the same person, then you'd need to account for what Shannon says about being in an orphanage in spite of being Beatrice mk III, who would have no way of leaving the island.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978829
I refuse to explain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978820
Yeah, she's fairly one dimensional. It's fine to have her not be interested in the protagonist at all, cousins and all that, but at least have some more interaction, we never get to learn anything substantial about her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978828
Oh, and the Kinzo everybody saw and that couldn't be mistaken, in episode 4, is an hologram.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978751
>>This is actually very simple to answer.
Errr... you didn't really give me an answer. None of that explains why they need to keep up the switch-a-roo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978835 is not me, >>2978812.

>>2978829
Shannon lies about being in an orphanage. Who does she tell this to anyway? She was probably told by Kinzo to lie so that it wouldn't seem that she's lived on the island all her life.

[Anonymous No.]

The reason Shannon didn't stop Battler groping her is not because she believes it's not her place as furniture, but because it brought back traumatic memories of the incest rape Kinzo imposed upon her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978843
Jessica is just a token character who's in place to make newfriends think she's Beatrice.

[Anonymous No.]

The devil's proof is everywhere.

caused by an unreliable narrator on both ends of the chessboard.

We are playing right into the authors hands.

but there wont be an end, the "ending" will be ambiguous, and open. debate all you like.

[Anonymous No.]

Battler looks like a young Kinzo.

is this significant, or not?

[Anonymous No.]

The ending will be Beatrice becomes human, and the last scene is her running to school with toast in her mouth.

I will kill myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978875
>but there wont be an end, the "ending" will be ambiguous, and open.
faggot

[Anonymous No.]

1.She fixed it before the family conference, and was going to give it to Maria as a present. She left it at the boathouse and was never able to reclaim it because she was killed.
2.Shannon is a sex slave to Kinzo. Somehow kill Kinzo before the family conference started and started to plot the Ushiromiya downfall.


I approved of this two theory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978885
Very significant. Battler is actually Kinzo's grandson and displays many characteristics that Kinzo did in his prime.

[Anonymous No.]

Eva is a bitch.
Rosa is an awesome mother.
Maria should be thrown down a well.
Kinzo is a crazy old fart.
Jessica is a nobody.
Beatrice is sexy and rape material.
Battler is awesome and rapist material.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978894
...ORLY, battler, who is the son of Kinzo's son, is Kinzo's grandson?

HOLY FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuetc

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978835
You aren't the witch. If you're just going to make carelessly cobble together theories and refuse to explain inconsistencies, then you're just speculating without the intent of actually solving the mystery.

>>2978851
If Shannon is lying, then that also means Kanon, Rosa, Natushi and everyone else who mentions Shannon's ten years of service and the fact that Fukuin House is lying about it, which is improbable. What makes this theory even less likely is that if this theory is true, then Ryuukishi presented no evidence providing even a hint of it in the question arcs, which would be an uncharacteristic cop out.

>>2978857
Or it's because "her" breasts are fake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978891
Even though Kinzo was seen after the conference?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978904
>Beatrice is sexy and rape material.
Agree.

Beatrice needs to be raped.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978913
Goldsmith != Kinzo.

Someone is disguising as Kinzo. Who you said? I refuse to explain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978914
But she already was.

[Anonymous No.]

The fact that everyone will die has already been established, this can't be changed.

i'd imagine the ending to have a situation where they are "dead" but somehow still alive, perhaps they all become beato's slaves, who knows?

what is certain is that they are all dead after the typhoon.

[Anonymous No.]

I've read Umineko up to the bit in Ep 4 where Maria, Ange and the stakes are at some 'vast land' Ange thought up or something, and I've completely lost interest. Nothing motivates me to read it anymore, its gotten shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978922
No, it's an hologram.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978928
Ange dies horribly.

You should keep watching so you can see that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978923
Kinky sex != rape.

also, shes talking to a demon, not "Kinzo"

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978912
Then how the fuck do you explain why they hired a six year old girl to become a maid at Kinzo's mansion? There is no reason for that other than she was already there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978850
Let me put this in clearer terms for you then. Kanon exists as a personality within Shannon created by Kinzo (which reconciles what the tips say) in order to oversee the execution of the epitaph, which is why he starts working on the island at the same time as the portrait is hung.

Whether Shannon was complicit in the creation of Kanon, or it simply happened because Kinzo desired it is unanswerable with only 4 chapters, but I think it's noteworthy that the existence of Kanon gives Shannon a means by which to express her frustration, which gives her a reason to sustain that personality even after Kinzo dies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978947
Wouldn't you hire a 6 year old to wear a revealing maid outfit at YOUR mansion?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978947
>Then how the fuck do you explain why they hired a six year old girl to become a maid at Kinzo's mansion?

You seem to forget that while she did some work at the mansion since she was 6, she only began working there full-time after she graduated from middle school. Read the beginning of episode 2 again.

>There is no reason for that other than she was already there.

The orphanage's stated goal of sending exceptional servant candidates for apprenticeship isn't a reason huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978925

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978952
Wait, what? I thought the Shannon=Kannon theory was that there are actually 2 people, but Kannon was already dead before the start of the family conference. You're explanation doesn't account for the body count, since Kannon only exists within Shannon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975829
>>2975829

;_; That's Ange in the plate, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978977
I hope so. Ange is a pigfaced whore and I hope she stays dead.

[Anonymous of Germany !WvzhzxDiIQ No.]

Kumasawa has lumbago.

Lumbago in German is called "Hexenschuss" (lit. the Witche's sickness)

Coincidence? I THINK NOT.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978969
Okay, I got a better one for you. The orphanage supposedly is owned and operated by Kinzo, right? Let's just say that Kinzo sent Shannon from Kuwadorian to this orphanage on the mainland and then "hired" her back to work as a maid, and then she went to middle school like you said, and then starts working full time after that. The fact that Kanon comes from the same place shouldn't matter since there's already an established connection between him and the appearance of the epitaph. So everyone else (Natsuhi, Rosa, etc) doesn't have to lie anymore because for all they know Shannon originally came from the orphanage when she in fact was born and live in Kuwadorian for at least her early life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978923
However that is not Beato. It is Shannon disguising as Beato.

Thus it reinforces the theory that Shannon was/is being fucked Kinzo/Goldsmith and whoever.
My theory is this Kinzo and one of his son (Rudolph will be the most suspicious) is gangraping Shannon. Shannon accidentally kill Kinzo while trying to resist. Rudolph blackmail her and force her to be an accomplice to kill everyone to get the gold.
Shannon thus came up with an act to screw with Eva family by becoming close to George and started manipulating him. George thought Eva kill Shannon on episode1 and in a rage murder both his parent.

[Anonymous No.]

Was the whole "lolteleport" explained?

i cant see how people can say "all human" when someone can just teleport people.

Unless battler is just a madman

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979050
wat

[Anonymous No.]

>>2978975
>you're explanation

What body count? Let's consider:
In episode 1, Shannon's "corpse" is only seen directly by Kanon and Hideyoshi.

In episode 2, Kanon's corpse vanishes.

In episode 3, both Shannon and Kanon's corpses are said to be found, but Battler never sees them himself.

In episode 4, Kanon's corpse disappeared again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979050
If you're talking about the "sinkholes" in the dining room in EP4 on the first twilight, it's obvious everyone was tripping balls far before they thought they were falling into the ground, what with the crazy display the Siestas give and the rest of the blood and guts flying around the place.

[Anonymous No.]

How do you explain Shannon's corpse in episode 1 if Shannon = Kannon? Half her face ripped off and her identity confirmed via red text, yet Kanon is still alive (and meets with Battler) afterward.

[Anonymous No.]

must... not... read... spoilers

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979063
>In episode 1, Shannon's "corpse" is only seen directly by Kanon and Hideyoshi.
>the identities of all unidentified corpses are guaranteed (Used by Lambdadelta in ????? for Episode 1.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979042
>Thus it reinforces the theory that Shannon was/is being fucked Kinzo/Goldsmith and whoever.

Is this what you think actually happened or is it what you WANT to have happened? If the former, where's your evidence for it?

>>2979001
>So everyone else (Natsuhi, Rosa, etc) doesn't have to lie anymore because for all they know Shannon originally came from the orphanage when she in fact was born and live in Kuwadorian for at least her early life.

Except that nothing hinting this speculation of yours is mentioned by Rosa, even when she completely mistrusts Shannon and forces her to give up her key.

If we accepted your idea that everyone is, for some inexplicable reason, lying about Shannon's past for her, then in a situation in which she's under suspicion, this would be mentioned. It isn't. Ever. There's absolutely no reason they would keep lying for Shannon if they thought she was going to kill them. That's why your theory makes no sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979065
Nah, simple things like beato teleporting battler around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979112
You mean meta-battler? It doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979108
Kinzo has always kept a mistress on the island.
Of all the servants only 1 of them is a girl. You really think Kinzo wanna fuck a old hag?
Supplies and materials for girl were being sent to Rokkenjima back harbour. Who do you think are using it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979101
>>2979078
>her identity confirmed via red text
>the identities of all unidentified corpses are guaranteed

This is where you made a mistake.

>"Regarding the UNIDENTIFIED corpses, their identities are guaranteed!"

The unidentified corpses are the ones with their faces fully smashed (Rosa, Gohda, Kyrie, Rudolf) and thus, no way to determine their identity. As Shannon (supposedly) had only half her face gone and was clearly identified as Shannon, with no margin for being anyone else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979108
>Except that nothing hinting this speculation of yours is mentioned by Rosa, even when she completely mistrusts Shannon and forces her to give up her key.

Too easy. Rosa didn't say anything because she didn't know anything. Like I said, she thought she was just some orphan hired from the orphanage. Rosa in no way knew of Shannon's real past of having lived at Kuwadorian. So Rosa mistrusts Shannon as much as the other servants.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979101
The unenditified corpse were those with their head completely bashed like Kyrie.
It doesn't say anything about Shannon who was seemingly identified by Hideyoshi and Kanon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979112
I figured you'd say that, after re-reading my post.

You're right though, it doesn't logically confirm Shannon's corpse at all.

Looking at the state of the corpses over all episodes, the Shannon = Kannon theory really does have a lot of weight.

[Anonymous No.]

My theory? beatrice was just a normal human who was helping Kinzo with all his occult stuff, but after succeeding in a summoning of a witch, Kinzo, in the heat of the moment traded her for the gold in a deal made with some being.

this being either took upon beatrice's form, or merged with her somehow, could have been a witch wanting to pass on her power, find a new body, or just some kind of incomplete being, ghost in the shell kind of thing basically.

for some reason or another, Kinzo had to kill this new beatrice, or atleast, destroy the physical body.

years later, he regretted it, and wanted to revive "beatrice", the one from his memories before she became some clusterfuck of witch.

the rest follows its own natural course.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979149
thats assuming witches and crap exist

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979127
>Kinzo has always kept a mistress on the island.

This is an assumption, we don't know when Kuwadorian was built.

>Of all the servants only 1 of them is a girl.
Also untrue. There are typically many more servants on the island on days outside of the family conference and out of those, Renon is also a woman. There are likely many other female servants as well.

>You really think Kinzo wanna fuck a old hag?
Just because you're a pedophile doesn't mean everyone else is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979149
I don't like it.

With the way the VN is headed it would be a massive cockslap if magic was actually involved. The point is for Battler to prove it can all be explained by human actions, therefore witches don't exist.

On the other hand, witches and magic very well may exist, it's just that they should have nothing to do with the events of the plot, because that would suck. Compare what Lambda says to Beatrice. Perhaps Bern and Lambda are real witches, but Beatrice isn't, and no magic actually occurs on the island.

[Anonymous No.]

Just finished episode 1 now.

Does Battler comes with a possible theory for Eva and Hideyoshi's death later? Or was it just small bombs?

[Anonymous No.]

It's just as likely that Kinzo was pounding Krausses wife, if you want the "Shannon was a sex slave" theory.

after all, shes has that kind of loyalty.

Infact, its even more plausable that Krauss couldnt get her pregnant, so Kinzo did it instead.

would explain the cold demeanor of hers, why Kinzo again decided to retake Krauss->Jessica as the next heir rather than Eva->george.

fuck, its many more times more logical and plausable, in both execution and consequence.

but you know what? despite this being on par with the shanon theory, i think it's total rubbish.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979101
>the identities of all unidentified corpses are guaranteed (Used by Lambdadelta in ????? for Episode 1.)

true.

but there is a loop hole in the red.

it doesn't say that the identities of all identified corpses are guaranteed. Which means a fake body could have been planted for krauss or shannon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979190
Pretty sure it was a stake shooter, and then Devil's Proof to how such a device could be created.

[Sakura !!sCKns1iPkwx No.]

>>2979190
I believe his theory was that someone was hiding under the bed or somewhere in the room, and waited till everyone left.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979190
>Does Battler comes with a possible theory for Eva and Hideyoshi's death later? Or was it just small bombs?
Battler only uses small bombs as an explanation for one incident, the first twilight in the second episode.

He does give explanations. Now go back and play the rest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979133
Know why else your theory has problems? Supplies to Kuwadorian when 2nd Beatrice dies. If Shannon spent her early life there, she couldn't have spent long there at all. We have further problems when you consider that 2nd Beatrice died in 1967, which is 19 years before the story begins.

Which would mean that both Shannon, Kanon and any related parties would also have to lie about her age, which would be AT LEAST 3 years older than what she's claimed in addition to the improbability of a teenager three years older than everyone else around her passing as the same age as her peers etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979200
Aw man, now you got me liking this theory. I've always wanted to try to believe that Jessica is actually Kinzo's daughter and that Jessica is somehow working with Shannon to kill off the family.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979190
Oh god, you're retarded.

Please, don't make any other post about Umineko until you've read the whole thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979200
I wouldn't rule out Kinzo banging both Natsuhi and Shannon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979230
No evidence for it.

>>2979219
Try and actually solve the story rather than coming up with ridiculous theories about sex slavery heavily reliant on pure speculation with have little to no proof behind them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979184
Not necessarily.

think about it this way, in terms of rationale.
"life" in the most scholarly and objective sense, would be on a fundamental level, chemical reactions.
on a religious sense, it's a miracle that it even happens at all, the source of life is god or whatever being.

both explanations have their strengths, both have the weaknesses.

Chemical reactions, conceptually, cannot begin to even cover even an inch of the complexities of what happens in living things, even the human brain is hardly understood.

however, the thesist view of life that its solely based on some fantastic power is in itself, comparable to a childs fantasy.

chemical reactions, holy power: both could be real, or just one. as a view of all sides

now lets link this back to battler.

Beatrice argues for "holy power" while battler argues for "chemical reaction"
he only needs to create a plausable scenario for chemical reaction, but this does not infact, mean that "holy power" cannot exist or is not present.

while beatrice must convince battler that not only was there no chemical reaction, but that everything was caused by holy power.

so in other words, lets say life is impossible without holy power, but so long as some scientist can create a working theoretical mechanism for a chemical reaction causing life as we know it, that is all that matters, disregarding if holy power exists or not.

the criteria from the begining wasn't if magic was real or not, it's simply if what can be achieved by magic can be rationalised by battler to the workings of reality, so long as he can accomplish that, magic existing or not has no inherent weight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979248
If nothing else, I still think there's enough evidence to support Shannon being a blood relative to Kinzo, or at least having been led to believe she is a blood relative.

How else would you explain the beginning of EP3 which shows a flashback of Beatrice at Kuwadorian as a young girl and Virgilia (Kumasawa) there as her mentor/teacher? If not Shannon, Jessica is a prime suspect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979269
Or if Shannon and Kanon are the same person, the number of people on the island is reduced by one and as such, that person we saw there is culprit X, the mastermind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979269
Jessica is related to Kinzo? now that's just crazy talk.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979297
That would be the biggest cop-out in cop-out history. The main source of entertainment from a mystery novel is that you are given a set of characters, and one of them is the culprit. For Ryukichi07 just to go "Oh, this person that you never even knew existed until 5 seconds ago was the mastermind" is not fun, and would be very frustrating to all of us who are actually trying to solve the mystery. Plus, going by what happened in Higurashi, someone in the main cast is bound to be the mastermind. Shannon is the likely choice because nothing as stupid as Kanon = Shannon could possibly be true.

[Anonymous No.]

What about the Kyrie-and-her-mobster-friends theory?
I'm not a big fan of it myself, but hey, it's a theory for some of the episode (or just Ep4?).

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979313
Oh, so you didn't like how Takano popped out of nowhere and declared to be the mastermind in Higurashi, the OTHER mystery novel from Ryukichi07?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979313
>Oh, this person that you never even knew existed until 5 seconds ago was the mastermind" is not fun, and would be very frustrating to all of us who are actually trying to solve the mystery.

The whole purpose of episode 3 was to alert us to the fact that people we don't know outside of the main cast exist(ed) on the island and that our reasoning should be made with this premise in mind. If you lack the ability to understand something so simple, there's no way you can solve the mystery.

>Plus, going by what happened in Higurashi, someone in the main cast is bound to be the mastermind.

Three things. First, murderer =/= mastermind. Umineko has many different killers at work in each episode, but they're simply the tools of whomever is masterminding the actual killings.

Second, the mastermind in Higurashi wasn't in the main cast - it was a supporting character.

Third, the creator himself said that attempting to apply premises or assumptions based on alleged similarities to Higurashi will give you no chance of actually solving the story.

>Shannon is the likely choice because nothing as stupid as Kanon = Shannon could possibly be true.

Just because you dislike it for not being your Frank Miller edition Umineko of WHORESWHORESWHORES doesn't mean it's not true. Try disproving it, if you can.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979200
Devil's proof, etc
and may i refer you to >>2979348

[Anonymous No.]

>Oh, so you didn't like how Takano popped out of nowhere and declared to be the mastermind in Higurashi
Takano was acting pretty mysterious.
It was noted that her 'corpse' was already dead for over 24 hours, even though Keiichi saw her ~14 hours before that.
There's the whole 'did you hid the corpse well?'-thing she told Keiichi in the car after he killed Teppei. And Tomitake's bike was found in her car.

There's probably a lot more, but these things were already told in the first 3 arcs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979378
>>2979343
>>2979313
Takano was there from the beginning


This whole Shanon=Kanon Theory is kinda weird
At least i can beleive kanon desguising himself as shanon once she's dead
But the real shanon existed

[Anonymous No.]

Umineko fans are worse than Type-Moon fans.

It's pathetic how much you guys clamor on about this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979408
Yet you still took the time to read most of these posts.

don't fool yourself anon

[Anonymous No.]

Ah rosa...

I never sympathized with women hitting their children...but this...ah...

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979403
The possibility of an unknown person existing on the island was brought up in the first night of Episode 1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979408
yeah, but probably because its a mystery, they discuss theories and such.
I never got into umineko really.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979408
What I think is pathetic is that you purposefully come into these threads just to let us know what you think about us

[Anonymous No.]

Stay on topic guys

theory #214128901: Battler is a woman.

prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979425
mmmmmmmmmmm don't know if want

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979425
>>>/rs/Ushromiya+Battler+is+Ushiromiya+Kinzos+grandSON

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979433
Theory #3530280912381283012: Son actually means daughter

prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979408
yes we enjoy something, deal with it

Shanon= Kanon has one fatal flaw!
Disregarding that everyone on the cast is supposedly lying or ignorant and someone supposedly smuggled a corpse on to the island and we're given no hint as to either being the case. Shanon has TITS THE SIZE OF WATERMELONS.
so yeah
I'm somewhat inclining towards this being a willful self-deception on the readers part. we can safely assume that Shannon is at least accomplish to the murders since theres less than nothing to contradict it even on the anti-mystery side but the whole "no more than X people" rule just states that an equal number of murderers can replace the victims after the first twilight which needs to be perpetrated by someone on the island and apparently can't involve any of the cousins (at least so far).

As for the Rosa fixing sakutarou story, its pretty obvious, although I think she was just too much of a coward to give it back right away and forgot it on the boat afterward.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979442
Prove us the possibility.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979442
YOU CAN'T DO THAT

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979447
Lets rephrase

Kanon = Shanon.

its harder to hide huge tits, but its certainly much eaiser to have fake ones which can be put on ad lib

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979447
When is Shanon shown naked to Battler? She hasn't. Therefore, those breasts can't be proven as attached to her body. By method of object X, Kanon pretends to have breasts.

If that is not the case, Nanjo performs breast reduction and breast enhancement surgery frequently and briskly on Shannon. I refuse to explain how he does so.

[Anonymous No.]

...You just want to prove George is gay so you don't have to threat about being attracted to his manly face.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979442
孫息子 was the character used, which was the male form.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979461
Thats circular logic.

"It's male, therefore it's male"

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder if kanon have shanon's tatoo at the same place.
it might be a way to either differentiate them or conclude that kanon is taking shanon place.
(But shanon must have existed before october 4 )

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979471
You want to take off Kanon's pants?

Fag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979479
I'd hit that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979479
the correct answer would be yes

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder why does a lot of theories turn into LOLDELUSIONS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979589
Americans

[Anonymous No.]

Bump

[Anonymous No.]

>>2979886
Proof you guys are idiots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2975487

[iam !/aPzExRzGw No.]

can I post furries nao