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2906394 No.2906394 [Reply] [Original]

Why does witchcraft get such a bad rep? It's basically western Shinto.

Christians think witchcraft is "satanic," and atheist internet tough guys refuse to regard witchcraft with the same level of legitimacy as other, similar religions.

Pic related. It's a Shinto priestess and a witch.

>> No.2906409

Because Witchcraft is shit, Shinto is shit, Christianity is shit.

The only real religion is Pastafarianism.

>> No.2906425

The problem is when you take proper occultism and mix it with that neo-pagan wicca nonsense.

It's shit, right?

>> No.2906462

>>2906394
Christianity dominated Western culture and the attitudes it instilled as side-effects of it's attempts to maintain dominance have deep roots by now. Basically? Christianity didn't want competitors and dealt with them in the way that all monopolies that are above the law do.

Centuries down the line, people still don't like that thing thanks to the propaganda. Atheists just see it as pointless nonsense - like every other supernaturalistic worldview.

>> No.2906470

ITT really smart people on 4chan

>> No.2906478

>>2906425 proper occultism
You mean a bunch of arbitrary charts and diagrams based on a geocentric idea of celestial movement?

Qabbalah and "high magic" is just a bunch of bookworm bullshit. And, I might add, it is disturbingly semitic.

>> No.2906488

Because at least monotheistic religions have the defense that God will not get involved in the affairs of mortals

Bullshit pseudo-religions like "witchcraft" maintain that a human can effect another human by magic.

This has never happened. It will never happen. Go ahead, cast "magic missile" on me.

>> No.2906493

Goddamn, I'm an agnostic in the strictest sense of the word, and I think witchcraft is a bunch of hippie bullshit.

>> No.2906607

>>2906488 God will not get involved in the affairs of mortals
ELL EM EFF EY OH

>> No.2906628

Actually, I think atheists regard all religions as equally stupid.

>> No.2906667

>>2906607
That's not what they said in the Torat....

>> No.2906698

>>2906493 I'm an agnostic ... I think witchcraft is a bunch of hippie bullshit
So in other words, you're "agnostic" with regards to Abrahamic religion, but "atheist" with regards to paganism.

Nice. double standard

>> No.2906707
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>>2906488
>Go ahead, cast "magic missile" on me.
You're right in that magic missile wouldn't work on you, but that's simply because it was not a spell designed for that purpose. It's most effective against other targets.

>> No.2906734

Not even the Japanese people regard Shintoism as having any legitimacy.

>> No.2906804

>>2906734
A significant portion of the Japanese population (something like 15%) describes themselves as Shinto.

>> No.2906831

>>2906394
>Why does witchcraft get such a bad rep? It's basically western Shinto.
I don't remember seeing any witchcraft shrines while walking in my town.

>> No.2906834

>>2906804
Because the Japanese are ragingly nationalistic, much like the Koreans. They don't actually practice.

>>2906698
>>Nice. double standard
So? You can't even begin to defend yourselves as a legitimate religion, so why should I hold you to the same standards as I do abrahamic and other religions?

>> No.2906838

>>2906394

Wrong. Witchcraft and religion have exactly the same level of legitimacy; zero.

>> No.2906847

>>2906394
Because witchcraft isn't a religion, it was a part of different religions.

>> No.2906850

Religion is simply the primitive man's attempt to explain nature. It is also a tool for the cunning to control the masses. It should have been rendered obselete centuries ago.

>> No.2906849

>>2906838
うー　うー

>> No.2906855

>>2906850
yes, you are absolutely right, Enlightened One

Let us all bow and grovel before your obviously superior self in worship.

>> No.2906856

>>2906850
Are you an American? Because it's pretty obselete (sic) everywhere else in the developed world.

>> No.2906867

>>2906856
I'm pretty sure the majority of most countries are still religious.

>> No.2906909

>>2906834 You can't even begin to defend yourselves as a legitimate religion
If you think about it, no religion ever really has an "argument" for legitimacy. Most religions are just unquestionably considered "legit" due to age.

>> No.2906911

>>2906909
In that case, witchcraft would be more legit as Paganism is older than Christianity

>> No.2906921

>>2906909
>i have never taken a philosophy class

>> No.2906922

>>2906856
Clearly you've never heard of Ireland or Brazil or any number of highly religious places.

>> No.2906924

>>2906922
>developed world

>> No.2906923

>>2906921
Why would anyone want to do that?

>> No.2906932

>>2906923
So that they aren't as ignorant as they claim that religious people are

>> No.2906940

>>2906911
Neo-paganism can't really prove its age, though, due to being based mostly in oral traditions until the 20th century when people started thinking that it MIGHT not be a bad idea to write some of that stuff down.

There's a reason it's frequently called NEO-paganism.

>>2906921
So? You're questioning my credibility? That's okay, but isn't that kind of an ad hominem?

>> No.2906962
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2906962

>So? You're questioning my credibility? That's okay, but isn't that kind of an ad hominem?

No, attacking someone's credibility when they're making a claim is acceptable (within limits). In this case, you're saying they don't have an argument when there have been as many arguments for God existing as there are that He hasn't.

That said, neopaganism/witchcraft/wicca is hipster bullshit. Though I think we've already established that by now.

>> No.2906976

The law of physic have been proved not to be constant.
So it's plausible to think that somewhere in the universe, they could permit things such as magic.
But here is utterly bullshit, and if you believe in it you're a retard.

>> No.2906982

>>2906962
>He
Christtard detected.

>> No.2906990

>>2906962 there have been as many arguments for God existing as there are that He hasn't.

You can say that about ANY religion you fucking idiot.

>> No.2907002

>>2906962
Plenty of philosophers have also come up with explanations for other kinds of supernatural bullshit, like I don't know, magic and witches.

>> No.2907028

>>2906982
Common English convention when referring to (a personified) God, much the way you capitalize the G in God whether you believe in him or not. Sorry, you lose.

>>2906990
Does this have a point?

>>2907002
[citation needed]

>> No.2907064

Fictional witches are cool. They talk to animals, summon fantastic creatures, shoot fireballs, and fly.

People who call themselves witches in real life can't do any of these things. They light candles and talk to gods, and maybe their wish comes true and maybe it doesn't, and that's their "magic." ALL religions do that, so what's the point of calling it magic? You're just begging for a handout from your phony god like any Christian would.

Sage for comparing Marisa to your stupid religion.

>> No.2907068

>>2907028
The "he" in that sentence wasn't being used as a personification. "I went to the store to meet Dad and He gave me some beer," is clearly wrong.

>> No.2907079 [DELETED] 

>>2907028 you capitalize the G in G-d whether you believe in him or not
That's because G-d is actually the god's name. Or title, rather. At any rate it's a proper noun. If G-d is called "god," it's grammatically incorrect.

I don't think there is any grammatical rule saying you HAVE to capitalize pronouns referring to G-d and Jesus. It's just an optional display of reverence.

If you refer to G-d as "Him," you're implying belief.

>> No.2907080

>>2907028 you capitalize the G in G-d whether you believe in him or not
That's because G-d is actually the god's name. Or title, rather. At any rate it's a proper noun. If G-d is called "god," it's grammatically incorrect.

I don't think there is any grammatical rule saying you HAVE to capitalize pronouns referring to G-d and Jesus. It's just an optional display of reverence.

If you refer to G-d as "Him," you're implying belief.

>> No.2907086

>G-d

No Jews allowed, please. Thank you for your cooperation.

>> No.2907090

>>2907086
What are you, some kind of anti-semitic racist neo-Nazi Palestinian terrorist? I'll have you know us Zionists are a noble and peace-loving people!

>> No.2907092

>>2907086

>g_d

sh_t the f_ck up tripf_g

>> No.2907100

>>2907092
your a faget

>> No.2907128

>>2907028
The majority of philosophers before Plato and Aristotle were involved in cults, including Pythagoras who started numerology. Newton and Leibniz were alchemists. Jung dabbled in astrology. And I'm sure each and every one of them would have given you a small variation of the Devil's Proof, the only argument for God that wasn't torn apart by the time of Hume.

>> No.2907139

>>2907128 the Devil's Proof, the only argument for God that wasn't torn apart by the time of Hume
And what's this devil's proof? Is it the "you can't prove he doesn't" argument?

>> No.2907138

>>2907092
>Shot the fock up tripfog
???

>> No.2907150

What's goin on up in this thread?

>> No.2907154

>>2907139
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probatio_diabolica

>> No.2907157

>>2907154
Oh, okay. So yeah, basically it's saying "you can't prove God DOESN'T exist, so there!"

>> No.2907160

Devil's proof only applies to law. It has no place in science.

>> No.2907181

>>2906394

Witches don't exist.

>> No.2907187

>>2907160
That may be true, but I plan on arresting God for crimes against humanity.

>> No.2907221

>>2907160
Ever heard of the concept of falsifiability? It's works exactly the same. You cannot put unfalsifiable theories as scientific, just as a lawful process cannot put a burden of proof on someone for whom it would be impossible.

>> No.2907241

>>2907187
For what exactly?

>> No.2907273

>>2907221
That only applies in certain countries. Plenty of other places put burden of proof on the defendant. .

>> No.2907295

One day humanity will discover dimensional travel, that day we'll stomp into eden, victorius, and once more eat from the tree of wisdom, even having a nice chat with our good old friend the Snake.
Fuck you God, next time you'll think twice before fucking humanity up for your entertainment and then throwing us away as soon as you got bored.
Next step, heaven and hell, there are many humans soul to be recovered.

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2907311

Modern witchcraft is hippie feelgood bullshit for teenage girls.

Ancient witchcraft was people masturbating in their basements while calling someone they hate a sonofabitch and then feeling responsible when their horse died or some shit.

If witchcraft had anything to do with illusions or some other form of visual spectacle it'd be awesome.

But it doesn't so it isn't.

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>>2907295
This is a post made by someone butthurt that their mom and dad made them go to church on Sunday.

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YOU HAVE PLAYED TOO MUCH TOUHOU, PLEASE PROCEED TO A LOCAL PURGE STATION, FAILURE TO DO SO IS A LEVEL A78 VIOLATION OF MEMETIC CONTROL CODE.

>> No.2907333

>>2907221
Falsifiability is a pathetic concept. Upgrade to Kuhn, or Polanyi.

Your theory of science is rubbish and you should feel rubbish.

>> No.2907336

>>2907311
hey there gendo...

>> No.2907348

>>2907318
Man, so many sunday mornings thrown away by that shit.
Fucking religion fags, thank god my father is pretty much an undeclared atheist and when I stopped going to mess he really didn't give a shit about my mom's whinings.

>> No.2907357

>>2907318

Actually it looks more like a "Fuck Yeah, Humanity" to me.

>> No.2907367

>>2907348
So, butthurt confirmed.

>> No.2907375
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2907375

Hey, an occult thread. Anyone remember my wacky theory about how Anonymous collectively has the spiritual power of the average god? I did some experiments. We do.

It turns out that tapping Anonymous as an occult power source is much like evoking(or invoking, as the case may be here) any entity. Easier, in fact, since you can get Anonymous' attention quite easily. I won't run you through the boring details, but initial tests involving using magic on computers are very promising.

I would try it on a basic love spell, but forgive me if I'm worried that Anonymous would screw up my relationships.

Anyway, 4chan seems to like Chaos magic(k) better than neopaganism and wicca and such. Which is hilariously appropriate, but still means that neopaganism won't be well received here. Of course, there's still the bunch of people who don't even believe in the spiritual, but that's not a problem we're here to fix. Even if we did there would still be poor reception from the chaos magicians and number of Hermeticists or whatever they're called.

More on-topic, Shinto actually had it's own magick users. I believe they grew to enough power to be considered gods in Shinto(not like that is very difficult, but still) and have a shrine somewhere in modern Japan. I'm actually trying to get more information on them and their methods and beliefs and such, but it seems they were all quite secretive.

They're called the Onmyouji, from what I can learn. The best I found is this;
http://forums.vsociety.net/index.php?topic=1072.0
and they didn't figure out much. If any of you are better at research, do post your findings.

>> No.2907383

>>2907367
I like it in the ass, so I'm not really that butthurt.

>> No.2907424

Spoilers: Japan is the 2nd most atheistic country in the world (trailing only Vietnam), and by far the vast majority of the country views Shinto as a nice tradition, not as a serious supernatural belief.

And this thread is stupid, because Wicca (invented in the 50s by a clever British fuck to sell shit to gullible teenage girls) doesn't have a monopoly on 'witches', Marisa is just a self-taught magic-user, not some fat Wiccan.

>> No.2909509

>>2907375
Chaos Magic is pretentious pseudo-science. At least neo-pagan witches admit that it's fantastic bullshit (although not in quite those terms).

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2909532

Hitler's fascination with the occult led to the creation of Gensokyo. In some kind of reverse-time process a history was created following his thoughts (the Jews being the poor humans and his mighty Aryans being the youkai) and all of its denizens were bound to his conceptions.

Hitler and a team of Nazi scientists entered the strange world and were accepted by the youkai for their selection of cool hats and matching clothing. Hitler learned some danmaku grazing techniques that did not apply so well outside of the mystical land. His final thoughts in his bunker as the Reds closed in were to will this utopia for the master race a queen, and his newly-wed Eva was ripped through the borders and ascended to become the most powerful of all the Aryan incarnates.

>> No.2909599

>>2909532
...

Awesome.

>> No.2909713

>>2909532
No, Gensokyo was created in the Hiroshima bombing.!

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