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2882568 No.2882568 [Reply] [Original]

I don't get it. Isn't Bernkastel the Witch of Miracles?

Can't she find a kakera where Ange is taken to the Island even though she's sick?

Bern's argument is flawed, in my opinion.

>> No.2882575

If there's a world where Anges parents dragged her out to the island while she was sick they wouldn't be very close to the parents she knew at all, would they?

>> No.2882574

spoiler: Bern is a troll

>> No.2882579

Sick six year old girl is a bad piece. Why bring someone to just get murdered?

>> No.2882584

Ange is not a game piece and her sickness was before the whole two day long gameboard. Her family has decided that she can't go to the family conference in her current state before the third of October. So it's outside of the game board. Just like Kinzo, it cannot be changed no matter what.

>> No.2882585

It's not that she can't, she just doesn't want to.

>> No.2882619

And while we're at it, can someone explain me the difference between Lambadelta's magic of Certainty and Bern's magic of Miracles?

>> No.2882629

>>2882619
Certainty is overwhelming power and will, while Miracle is the power to find the best solution and having endurance.

>> No.2882640

>>2882619

I like to imagine Certainity is a shotgun to the face no questions asked while Miracles is a sneaky motherfucker who waits for an opening and then gouges the shit out of it

>> No.2882649

>>2882619

Certainty is being absolute in victory.
Basically, spinning a roulette wheel where all possible landing options are "26, black", then betting on it.

Miracle is getting what you want even if the odds are nearly impossible.
Basically, spinning a roulette wheel with ten billion different landing spaces and putting it all on 26, black.

>> No.2882655

>>2882629
So, Lambda's certainty is only 99,999999% certain, and Bern has the power to find that 0,000001%, right? That's more or less what I understood from the first four episodes, but I wasn't sure.

Now I think I finally get the whole :

Endless > Miracle > Certainty > Endless

>> No.2882674

>>2882655
100%

Bern just won because she was allowed to cheat.

>> No.2882680

>>2882649
That's a nice analogy. Would Endless be the ability to spin the roulette as much as you want until you win?

>> No.2882681

Miracle and Endless sounds the same to me somehow. Can't see how Certainty > Endless.

Miracle - repeat it until you get the desired outcome that is almost impossible.

Endless - repeat it as long as you want.

>> No.2882696

>>2882680
>>2882681

Miracle reverses. To the external viewer, the Miracle wielder only spun the wheel once.

Endless keeps going and going and going and going and going and going and going and going...

>> No.2882702

>>2882680
Endless would be spinning an infinite amount of normal roulette wheels and betting it on 26, black.

>> No.2882709

I hope we will see some of Lambdas and Berns summons in EP5

>> No.2882712 [DELETED] 

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>> No.2882722

>>2882709
There won't be a 5th episode. Ryukishi07 said not to botter him about it.

>> No.2882726

>>2882696
>>2882702
Then Endless and Miracle are practically the same, but Endless can do something forever if it has 0% of success but Miracle can't then?

How the hell does Miracle > Certainty, but Endless != Certainty then?

>> No.2882732

>>2882681
Think about miracle as 1. You can go with your 1 against 1000000 and even if it seems pointless, you do have a chance of victory, because it doesn't cover all possibilities. It's coming against you with one strong, incredibly strong power. On the other hand, the endless has only 100000, but it's dividing this big number to little parts, so even if you are facing a less powerful enemy, it covers all square in the board and you can't move and can't look out without being found and killed instantly. If your 1 beats of the 100's, there is still 99900 possibilities against you.

>> No.2882741

Bern's power is that she will eventually win as long as the chance of winning isn't 0% It's because she can retry infinitely. Even if the chance is 0.00000000000000000001% she'll keep going until she wins.

>> No.2882755

>>2882741
That should be true for Endless as well isn't it. She can repeat it as long as she wants.

>> No.2882760

>>2882755
Which is why Bern said she'd stand no chance against Beato alone. With Delta, no matter how bad the odds, it's never 0%. Dela's power is kill someone 99% of the time.

>> No.2882775

>>2882674
>>2882760
>100%
>99%

It looks like we can't find an unanimous answer.

>> No.2882777

reality marbles vs marble phantasms anyone?

miracle = "oh my god i can't believe that worked i had a higher chance of getting struck 50 times by lightning then raped by a giant italian chef"

endless = "even if i have to get struck 50 times by lightning and raped by a giant italian chef, im going to retry this shit till i get it"

>> No.2882782
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2882782

Bern has the power do cure pedophilia.
See me for example.

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>>2882777
...was that analogy really necessary?

>> No.2882798

So Berns power is persistence?

She's the Russia of witches?

>> No.2882801

>>2882782
She hasn't had such an effect on me. I preferred her before the downgrade.

>> No.2882803

>>2882798
It's like the Infinite Improbability Drive. If it can potentially happen, she'll keep trying until it does.

>> No.2882806

Guys, the power of Endless doesn't have anything to do with "tries".

Endless is just DO IT AGAIN!

Miracle has a desired outcome and will go for it.

Endless is just ANOTHER ROUND!

As such, it beats Miracle. Even if Miracle gets its outcome, Endless just shouts for another round.
Certainty beats Endless because Endless will never win, normally. The only thing that will allow it to win is a Miracle, a different set of magic.

>> No.2882810

>>2882775
Basically, Certainty uses always moves in a way that has the highest chance of success, regardless of the opponent's actions. Endless uses a lot of tactically pointless moves to throw the opponent off track.

It's easier to create a miracle under the right circumstances if you know what going to happen.

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>>2882801
More like upgrade?

>> No.2882821

Is Berns Animu design out yet?

healthy or flat?

>> No.2882823

>>2882810

It's like you're playing a game of Chess and your side only gets pawns.

if the other side does the same thing over and over and over and over you'll win eventually because you'll know what they do before they do it.

But if your opponent is random about it then there's less chance of winning because they still have a crushing advantage.

>> No.2882825

>>2882806
How does Certainty > Endless then
If Endless can just always shout ANOTHER ROUND!!

So that eventually Certainty of 99.999% will lose.
Sounds to me like..
Endless > Miracle > Certainty here. doesn't form the loop.

>> No.2882831

>>2882806
I think I get it now.

Certainty fires an almost perfect bullet, but Mircal can, after trying again and again, find a way to counter it (that's the "miracle").

Endless fires a new bullet each time, so miracle can't find the way to counter it.

>> No.2882840

>>2882806
wouldn't that mean even if Battler WIN, Beatrice can just do 'another round'? lol

>> No.2882842

>>2882825

Because no matter how many rounds pass, Endless loses. So long as a Miracle does not occur, another round is futility.
While playing with Miracle, Endless has a chance to win and a chance to lose.

It's all a game of patience on every side.

>> No.2882845

>>2882825
Beato is a tank.
34 is a jet armed with a nuke.
Bern is a sniper rifle.

Beato does not stand a chance .
Bern has the chance to kill the pilot before the nuke is launched.
Bern cant snipe someone inside a fucking tank.

>> No.2882848

>>2882825

>>2882831 here
If I'm right, Certainty's "perfect" bullet > any bullet Endless can shoot

>> No.2882853

>>2882845

fuck yes you are the best variant of rock paper scissors EVER

>> No.2882855

>>2882845
>sniping someone in a jet.

>> No.2882858

>>2882855
1/423454634765754745747 chance.

>> No.2882866

>>2882842
I thought it was stated that Miracle only work as long as the possibility is not 0.
In which case shouldn't endless be able to achieve it at some point as well if the possibility is not 0.

Unless ofcourse I was wrong about Miracle and that it can do the impossible.

>> No.2882867

Guys, I love your analogies.

>> No.2882888

Guys. Bern explained that already.

34`s dice only rolls 6.
Bern is able to roll a 7 lol
Beato does let go of the dice which mens her turn never ends. Bern cant roll a 7 that way.
However 34 can KILL the dice.

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>>2882888
Cheater. All of them.

>> No.2882941

>>2882911
Someone should draw the witches playing Mahjong with Akagi.

Lambda with a triple Yakuman.
Bern with 5 identical tiles.
Beato with an infinite amount of tiles around her.

And Akagi, smiling and smoking.

>> No.2882972
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>>2882941
34 and Bern vs Akagi and Yugi.

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2882990

>>2882972
>>2882941

>> No.2883020

>>2882941
FUND IT

>> No.2883051

>>2882990
All those dora don't mean anything.
Still, that hand is either 48.000 or 96.000.

>> No.2883069

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>> No.2883144

Because Bern can't make ANY miracle she wants happen. If she could she could do anything.

>> No.2883236
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2883236

Nipaaaa!

>> No.2883276

>>2883144
She can do anything as long as it's not 0%.

Though I wonder what that means, concretely.

>> No.2883284

>>2883276

She can do almost anything. She's TTGL, since TTGL can also win as long as it's chance of victory is higher than 0.

>> No.2883291

>>2882782

Saved.

>> No.2883323

>>2882821

Nope. :( Not out, if I don't see >>2882782 in the anime, I'm going to rage.

>> No.2883379

I think I'll use visual novels as an analogy.

Lambdadelta pretty much sets it up so that if you screw up even once, you're locked onto the route that leads to a BAD END.

Beato pretty much switches the flags that leads to different routes, so you have no idea if you're going to the route that you want.

Bern uses save states to try and get the perfect game. As long as she has memory, she can reload the game every time she screws up until she can get her desired ending.

>> No.2883371 [DELETED] 

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>> No.2883395

Certainty is winning 100% of the time.
Miracles are able to continue trying to achieve something as long as it doesn't have a 0% chance of occurring.

I believe the only way that Bern was able to beat Lambda because the latter allowed Bern to put her pieces wherever she wanted, so she surrounded Lambda's king with all queens (or essentially something like that). Otherwise, it never would've happened.

>> No.2883439

>>2883395
Did you not read the episode 1 ????

Bern specifically said that a perfect 100% chance is impossible, which is why she was able to win.

>> No.2883496

>>2883439
I was trying to remember exactly what was said then. They used Battler's chess board analogy, with Lambda winning every game until the last one. Once again, IIRC Lambda got bored or something and let Bern load her side with good pieces, allowing her to grasp the miracle and win.

>> No.2883550

>>2883496
when was that said?

>> No.2883702

>>2883496
You just described what happened in Higurashi.

Supposedly, the children could never win, Lambda's game was perfect. But Bern achieved the miracle.

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