Kantai Collection -KanColle-

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Wiki:
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Recent Updates: http://kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/Recent_Updates

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Anon's guide to KanColle: http://pastebin.com/ec862KsG

Air superiority calculator/fleet builder:
http://kancollecalc.jp/air_supremacy.html
https://air-calculator.thread.jp/
http://kancolle-calc.net/deckbuilder.html

Combat Mechanics:
JP: http://wikiwiki.jp/kancolle/?%C0%EF%C6%AE%A4%CB%A4%C4%A4%A4%A4%C6
EN: http://kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/Combat

Fit gun for BBs: http://wikiwiki.jp/kancolle/?%CC%BF%C3%E6%A4%C8%B2%F3%C8%F2%A4%CB%A4%C4%A4%A4%A4%C6#h7905b57

Equipment upgrade values: http://i.imgur.com/1JfCOmJ.png
Destroyer gun bonus: https://i.imgur.com/K7PxY6z.png
LBAS values: https://i.imgur.com/pd843oW.png

Useful Akashi upgrades table: http://akashi-list.me/

Drop and construction statistics:
https://db.kcwiki.org/drop/
http://unlockacgweb.galstars.net/KanColleWiki/viewCreateShipLogList

Quest tracking tool (needs updating): https://www.kahr-noss.com/OoyodoQuestTracker.html

KanColle Viewer (JP): https://github.com/Grabacr07/KanColleViewer
KanColle Viewer (EN): https://github.com/Madmanmayson/KanColleViewer
KanColle Viewer (KR): https://github.com/CirnoV/KanColleViewer
Electronic Observer (JP): https://github.com/andanteyk/ElectronicObserver
Electronic Observer (EN): https://github.com/gre4bee/ElectronicObserver
Electronic Observer (CN): https://github.com/RadarNyan/ElectronicObserver-ML


News
-Yukikaze of Kure will receive her Tan Yang and Kai-II remodel next week.
-The September ranking rewards have been distributed. The new equipment are the Shinzan, Shinzan Kai, the pasta 120mm/50 Twin Gun Mount mod. 1936 and 120mm/50 Twin Gun Mount Kai A.mod. 1937.
-The Fall 2020 Event will begin in late November and be a medium-scale event. It will be in Europe.
-Kagerou-class Destroyer Akigumo has received her Kai-II. It requires level 74, 1BP, and 1 AR.
-It is now possible to improve several dive bombers through Akashi's arsenal, including the new Type 99 M22 dive bomber and T99 Egusa.
-8 new quests have been implemented.
-Yukata mode CGs have are over, New and returning Halloween mode and Fall casual mode CGs have been implemented. Minor UI changes have been made.
-As of the Feb 28 maintenance, due to the ongoing DDoS attacks, measures have been taken that requires players from certain countries to use a Japanese IP address to connect to the Login servers. After getting to the start screen it's possible to disconnect from the VPN and continue playing without it. If you still encounter connection issues try clearing your cache and changing your time zone to JST. These countermeasures are temporary as of right now. EN EO now bypasses the block. Another possible workaround is using https://github.com/Tibowl/KCCacheProxy
-The following ships will receive another remodel at some point in the future:
-->Kai-II: Mogami, Mikuma, Noshiro, Yahagi, multiple Type A DDs
-->Kai-II side remodel: The rest of the Kongou-class; Shigure (could be Kai-III)

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>>28824453
I love Hibiki!

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https://mitsukoshi.mistore.jp/onlinestore/shops/kancolle/index.html

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Fubuki is so cute!

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>>28827137
attempt to french kiss

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>>28827137
Asashimo as Gawr Gura when?

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>>28825045

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>>28830024
Oyashio?

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>>28828860
Made for stomach bukkake

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>>28831136
cummies go in tummies, not on them, you silly goose!

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I know it's a long shot, but are there any start veterans here?
I just wanted to know if the Shinden Kai also has its own sprite when launching ingame like Spitfire and F-cats do.

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>>28825057
She will always remain in the shadow of her sisters.

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Saw several news and posts on futaba that said Sega is no longer developing arcade due to corona, but KC arcade is still popular so maybe they will somehow port it to console?

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still no trailer leaks? damn, the nips have more discipline than I thought

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>>28836916
Kirikota

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>>28830055
Same pin. Some people draw her as sort of Asashio-Ooyodo midpoint.

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>>28831465

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ズイ

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>>28841870
What does Colo-Colo's hair smell like?

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>>28842354
Like shit

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>>28845375
He asked about Colos hair, not yours.

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>>28842354
Curiosity

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>>28827377
I don't think you're ready to go to where that would take you.

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>>28836916
Want to get roughed up by a Yankee...

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>>28841870
No matter who won, I still love my fellow burgers.

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>>28848129
Yeah it's funny how Mao Lane peaked relatively early in it's life too.

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Am I being dumb and not seeing the path, but is taking 4 drums and going south on 5-5 the only way to do the Saraquest there? (Sara+CL+2DD+2XX)

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>>28848626
*if I wanted to bring a second BB/CV

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>>28848626
Go Mid, not south.

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>>28849319
Can you go middle with that comp? I'll relook at all the routing requirements.

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>>28849265
I really love this artist, the never ending kasumi bullying is amusing.

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>>28849351
Ahhh, I don't think so for Sara quest.
There's so many 5-5 quest I get a lot of them mixed up.

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God why is Maya so fucking cute. Everything about her is so adorable.

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>>28850437
Unfortunately for me I can't see the name Maya without thinking of a certain minor R&B singer from the late 90s / early 2000s. Apparently her name has always been Mya but I think I'm Mandela effecting myself or something because I swear it used to be Maya.

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>>28851124
Think of the bright side, at least you don't associate word Maya with a cartoon bee. I didn't even watch that show as a kid, only saw couple ads for its VHSs and I still can't hear word Maya without thinking that goddamn bee.

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>>28851124
>>28851475
>not associating her with Jogmaya Pearls

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I'd forgotten how utterly aids 6-3 is. What the fuck where they thinking with this map.

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>>28852642
gg, 6-1 and 6-4 are even worse.

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>>28852892
I don't mind 6-1 and 6-4 so much, I'm helping a friend out and I forgot 6-3 is basically grind your face at it until you get the easy comp.

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>>28851124
I can't see the name without think about a monster I farmed for far too long.

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>>28853048
Is that RO? If so that takes me back holy shit.

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>>28851550
Maya and Pearls.

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>>28853257
Yes.
We had alarm clocks to farm MVPs.

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>>28854378

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>how to choke massive cock
I swear sometimes this game just decides you're not going to win any boss node no matter how many times you try that day.

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Will Shimakaze be in the new anime?

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>>28854024
Only time I ever had to time my MvPing was with Atroce because it was hounded by everyone in the server and everyone had some very close warps to all the different spawns for them. RO was such good times.

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>>28852642
>>28852934
What have you been using for 6-3?

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>>28857034
The friend he was talking about, I've tried every formation, but the final boss composition is raping my ass sore. I'm just going to give up until I get Nisshin. I don't think the boss is possible any other way.

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>>28854394
What's that thing hanging from her wrist?

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>>28857155
Arrow straightener.

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>>28857239
Huh, interesting.

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>>28857100
Actually just had my best run so far. But, I don't think this beatable without just spending more buckets than I already have today.

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>>28856782
Maybe she will but only as a cameo where she gets killed.

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>>28857373
It reminds me the days when I had problems with 6-3 in phase 1, and when I finally managed to beat that map, phase 2 happened. Now it's easier with Nisshin, the CL pastas, and the daytime gorilla.

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>>28858156
For tender rape.

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>>28858177
>Now it's easier with Nisshin, the CL pastas,
And I have none of those. I've blown 140 buckets trying different kinds of jank, 4 different girls loaded up as boss busters. I just need to submit and wait until I get those ships.

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>>28857964
Sums up her treatment the past few years from the fat man.

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>>28857373
Where's ABKM?
I'd rather use high power night DDs than AVs.

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>>28858562
I replaced her with Oyoodo to try a meme with the night scout and hoping Naganami could nuke her, but my wife got nuked before she could nuke her.

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>>28858665
Are you going to F?
Don't go to F

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>>28858733
F actually hasn't been that bad since I've just had overwhelming opening torpedo's.

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>>28858805
Yeah, but do you get ammo penalty?

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>>28858892
I'm not actually sure. The 1CL wasn't cutting it at all for me, and 2CL was sending me to F 5/6 times anyway.

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>>28858892
>ammo penalty
sub node no longer consume ammo since phase 2 and the best comp for 6-3 now is stacking double attack gorillas like Helena, 2 Italian CLs, 1 high FP DD, Nisshin and Teste

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>>28858422
She's never been treated kindly by C2 or Kadokawa. Her own manga had her be an insufferable bitch. It's to be expected from an experimental one off though who just didn't fit in with rest of the fleet though.

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>>28861615
Why do they hate her? It took them years to give her a seasonal and even then it's a fucking recolor of her ribbon. Shit's retarded.

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>>28835002
Fat chance. There are a lot of arcade games that could be ported and never made it to console.

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>>28861701
Because contrary to what Gundam tells you, trying to work in a one off piece of equipment/vehicle into your fucking army/Navy/Air Force sucks even if you are in dire need of destroyers. Russians had similar problems with Tashkent. Only French could "successfully" operate their fast & Furious destroyers because they built enough of them.

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I still haven't cleared 5-3 again. I try every time we have dong but I can't get to the boss and the one time I did the cunt had like 200 armor and I couldn't sink her.

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>>28862810
post your fleet

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>>28862810
I've been doing even with full 5DD memes and 1CL, it's piss easy.

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>>28862810
Both supports and everything sparkled, line ahead everything.

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>>28846672
Love you too fellow burger.

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>>28864184
5-3 was my first hard check as a new bro. You really feel your lack of equipment and levels.

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>>28865315
WTF I love Yamato now.

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>>28863349
I don't even remember what I was trying. I think when I beat it in phase 1 I was using 2 battleship 2 cruiser 2 destroyer.

>>28864978
support and sparkle are the 2 worst mechanics in the game

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>>28865857
I don't like them either and avoid them as much as possible, but I'd rather run those than try the map even more times hoping for miracles.

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>>28865857
Sparkling main fleet is useless, but sparkling 6 ships for route support and 1 ship for boss support helps a bit.
If you can't finish 5-3 it is either your ships are underleveled or you are using wrong equipment setup

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>>28851276
I assume this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4gcQj_NZ30

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>>28857373
Finally got it done. I love you Naganami.

>>28866369
I got hit hard by 5-3 at first, but I think its a good "equipment and level" check as far as maps go.

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>>28861615
>>28861701
At least she's appreciated by the fans.

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>>28852642
I suppose you don't have decent AVs/CLs/DDs levelled? For me 6-3 is very trivial, with like 80% clear rate. iirc only LD was kinda hard.

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>>28839846
I see, thanks.
Wish I had one.

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They said event is mid November but still no further news

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>>28862558
IJN really had a problem with trying to make expensive superboats that in the end weren't really much better than their massproducable counterparts. Like what did Shimakze do that a plain old Kagerou or Yuugumo-class DD couldn't had done? Things get even worse with Yamatos, like did they really archive anything that couldn't had been done with a 16" BB (which also could had the potential benefit of possibly allowing to regun Nagatos with this new 16" gun, thus increasing their value in combat and simplifying logistics) that had full displacement between 50k-60k tons?

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>>28871477
Kantai Kessen
They wanted quality over quantity in a decisive battle.
And they achieved neither.

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>>28869725
Did any of the shipgirls vote for Jo Jorgensen/Kanye West?

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>>28871477
Shimakaze was an experiment, and denotes how much (kinda misguided) focus the IJN had on torpedoes. A boat to carry 15 torpedo tubes and with a new type of boiler that could increase speed significantly. Given that her planned sisters were cancelled and the efforts redirected towards 8 more Yuugumos, I'd say they thought it wasn't worth it.
Yamato was made for the sole purpose of fighting other battleships, which by itself is already a misguided notion because there was not a lot of battleships engaging each other, and thus slapped with guns that could ram right through armor built to withstand 41cm gunfire, while having enough armor to withstand said 41cm fire, thus pushing it to that gigantic displacement. In the budding age of navy aviation, it was about as useful as you can expect (especially after, ironically, the IJN proved the value of naval aviation by sinking Repulse and Prince of Wales quite easily with planes).
I still love her though.

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Queens of the sea!

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>>28872461
>while having enough armor to withstand said 41cm fire, thus pushing it to that gigantic displacement.

Which they seem to had failed to achieve given that Hotels would had been immune against 16 AP Mark 8 only between distances of 23km and 33km, and this is without considering the not so stellar quality of Japanese armor.

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>>28871977
>Jo Jorgensen
Johnston maybe

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>>28875761
This image is forged, there's no way Akagi would be feeding anyone but herself.

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>>28875993
Maybe it doesn't taste well? Look at Kagas expression, she doesn't seem to be very satisfied.

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Cute!

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>>28875761
I want to resupply Akagis stomach

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>>28872461
Main problem with Shimakaze is that she didn't fit in anywhere with the fleet by the time she was completed. If they had at least one squadron of Shimakaze class destroyers then they could have out her somewhere. They didn't so.she was stuck being some kind of super escort role that kept ahead of the fleet that they really didn't need.

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The main problem with Japan's destroyer program is that they were pursuing three/ later four different designs at once in a time they were already planning to go to war with other naval nations. At least Akizuki has the excuse they started as pure as pure aa barges. No such excuse for Shimakaze.

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>>28871977
heh

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>>28871477
The IJN went for a quality over quantity approach because they knew they could never outproduce the US or UK in shipbuilding. It simply wasn't possible, and they were also limited by treaty to only 60% of the US and UK capital ship numbers, when by their own estimates they needed a 70% ratio to have a chance at victory. Shimakaze fit in with the Kantai Kessen doctrine, which dictated night time torpedo attacks to whittle down the US fleet before the IJN battle line would be committed, and nearly the equivalent of two Kagerous or Yuugumos in terms of torpedo capabilities. She carried all 15 of her torpedoes in her launchers, instead of 8 loaded plus 8 spares like the previous classes, making her safer than the preceding ships as well. Likely the reason they didn't go forward with more besides cost was that the extra 4 knots of top speed wasn't really necessary, and by late 1942 they needed more destroyers far more than they needed almost light cruiser-tier destroyers like Shimakaze.

>>28873980
Yamato in specific was designed to be able to trounce the existing US battle line and any new 14" armed treaty battleships. US advancements in superheavy armor piercing shells (which the Colorados couldn't use anyways) never factored in to the Yamato's design both because treaty clauses limited armaments at the time to 14", and because the new US AP wasn't even developed until 1939, and Yamato was designed in the mid-1930s and laid down in 1937.

>>28872461
I agree that the boilers and higher speed were wholy unnecessary, but I disagree on your take on the torpedoes for the reasons I listed above. Ultimately though, cost was prohibitive and they were in a war and needed destroyers yesterday, so they built more of their existing classes.

I also disagree on your Yamato take. She was laid down in 1937, at which point battleships were still considered to be pretty safe from carrier aircraft. The last shooting war, WWI, saw multiple major battleship actions, and carriers were still new and unproven. Even the successes at Taranto and Pearl Harbor years after Yamato was laid down only showed that carrier planes could disable stationary battleships that were in port/peacetime conditions. Repulse and Prince of Wales showed there was some vulnerability, but remember that their sinkings took the efforts of some 80 or so land-based aircraft and most of a full day, and they had very little in terms of escorts to help protect them. Japanese air attacks on US task forces containing a North Carolina or South Dakota in 1942 actually helped the battleship camp with how effective they were against Japanese aircraft, and during the fighting in the Solomons carriers and Cactus were incapable of stopping IJN raids on Guadalcanal, and it took until the US committed their battleships to stop the Japanese from seriously threatening US forces on the island.

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>>28881453
Having 4 different design lines for DDs during wartime can work, so long as the lines are sufficiently different from each other that you can justify it. Like with bongs you had
>emergency fleet destroyer that was basically just repeats of pre-war fleet destroyers
>large fleet destroyer (AA focused)
>fleet destroyer (AA focused) meant to make use of the slipways too small for previous design
>escort destroyer

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>>28866369
I doubt the problem is levels or equipment. I think the last time I tried I used a fleet like this. the problem was the route nodes would be always be reverse dominos or when I did get to the boss I couldn't do shit damage to her.


>>28881453
>The main problem with Japan's destroyer program
someone post the meme about how they ended up using destroyers as cargo ships because all the cargo ships got sunk by submarines because they designed their destroyers as torpedo boats.

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>>28882676
It is pretty amusing how absolutely shit nip ASW was. Like they saw what Imperial German u-boats did to bongs during WW1, hell they even helped to fight against Austrian ones on Mediterranean during the war but yet at no point did anyone in IJN ask "What if one of our enemies tries to do this to us?".

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>>28881453
I seem to recall also that the guy in charge of designing DDs did the same mistake a number of times across classes.
Don't remember exactly what, I think it had to do with weight distribution, but it resulted in that empty space that exists between the bridge and the torpedo tubes, making the ship longer than was necessary.

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You have a chance to fuck Iowa or Yuudachi kai. Which one?

Both are pure.

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Japan needs to be reminded that we won the war and the fact they have any life at all and are still permitted to speak their native language is a privilege from our generous society. They should act the part of a gracious and humble subservient culture.

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>>28882676
Your stuffs are not upgraded? You can bring a BB for better day battle at boss, use special zuiuns if you have them and Yura is not the best CL for this map. Pic is my last 5-3 trip for yearly quest.

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>>28882676
>someone post the meme about how they ended up using destroyers as cargo ships
That was in 1942 at Guadalcanal because cargo ships were not physically fast enough to move troops and supplies in and out in a single night. It was necessary improvisation to supply and reinforce their forces on the island. Meanwhile the Japanese shipping annihilation didn't really start until late 1943.

>>28882907
It really wasn't that bad. By 1944 or so they were around where the British and US were in 1942, and they sank quite a few Allied submarines. The problem in 1944-1945 is that the US was reading Japanese shipping movements and orders as plaintext, and US submarines had surface search radars. They were dealing with an enemy that knew where they would be, when they would be there, where they were going, and could see in the dark as if it was day. Germany never had the kind of advantage that the late-war US submarine forces had.

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>>28881934
Bongs also had better shipyards and a better economy for that shit to work.

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>>28883340
Why those two in particular?

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We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children

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>>28884337
That is an amerimutt though so any kid born from her would be by definition non-white.

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>>28884337
Too bad TTK is a nip so that went out the window.

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>>28884433
Just because someone lives in America doesn't mean her linage is corrupted by certain undesireable foreign cultures.

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What's your favorite between these average size ranges for a woman?

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>>28884337
I'd rather interbreed with cute asian girls desu

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>>28885235
Nothing wrong with playing around but you shouldn't procreate. What a uninteresting world this would be if there was no genetic diversity and everyone was just grey.

A place for everyone and everyone in it's place.

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I want to see Nagato wear a girly dress.

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>>28886188
That is what MMD is for.

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If we were going to help our Chinese allies take down Japan again in an all-out fashion, what would we use? Chemical/biological, nuclear, EMP, fire bombing or conventional? Maybe a combo with assuming control of power grid and things remotely?

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>>28886188
Nagato belongs in cool suits

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>>28886745
I don't think he meant in slutty dresses anon.

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>>28886188

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Nagato dressed properly.

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>>28886966
Cute dress, odd face.

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Payback is a bitch.

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>>28887217
Well, she does have those sharp squinty upsloping backstabbing gooky eyes. She is Japanese after all. I'd keep your eyes on her at all times if you can anon.

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>>28886188
This is the best I got, anon.

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>>28887701
cuet

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Then you got country bug catcher Nagato.

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How about an idol?

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>>28881822
>The IJN went for a quality over quantity
Too bad their enemies could make ships just as good if not better than they could. That's the whole problem with choosing Quality over Quantity in the first place. The only time when Quality wins is if the quality of the mass produced things are so poor like Admiral Yi-soon's turtle ships versus the Japanese fleet in those Korea vs Japan naval battles.
Same reason Brits were able to take over two of America's six original frigates.

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>>28888331
>Same reason Brits were able to take over two of America's six original frigates.
To clarify despite the six original frigates being better than most frigates at the time, being ganged up and trapped by a few ships not too inferior to them still spelt doom for them.

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>>28888261
No personality for that.

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>>28888331
Yeah pretty much. Or rather if you choose a quality over quantity strategy you are saying you are pursuing a defensive strategy.

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>>28888386
Bong naval strategy back when they were the premier naval power in world was pretty much built around the idea of drowning their enemies in B- ships.

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>>28888642
And there's nothing wrong with that. Because it works and the fucking Bongs were good at it.

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>>28886745
He said girly, anon.

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>>28887044
He said DRESS, anon.

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>>28887044
You are quite wrong, Sir.

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>>28887252
So is ungratefulness.

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Support the assimilation of Hong Kong into China.

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Do it now.

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>>28887116
>>28887252
They could have preserved those ships.

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>>28889030
>shit kraut cruiser that didn't really do all that much and nip battleship that's only notable thing was being part of WNT penis extender club

Nothing of historical value would had been lost from turning them into razor blades desu.

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>>28889030
Nah, was better for testing for future conflicts. Plus, I may be wrong, but some are helping corral and stuff. They drained Prince Eugene last year of fuel since I've been there so its doing well and cleaned up now.

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>>28889095
Nagato was the flagship during the Pearl Harbor attack. They absolutely weren't going to keep her upright, even if it would be totally cool if they did.

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>>28889212
This.

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Everything went down as it should.

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>>28889095
So by your logic Sweden could get rid of the Vasa wreck?
Cause you won't find a more useless ship for sure.

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>>28889212
The mentality of preserving ships for historical reasons has never been popular. If burger doesn't bother preserving Enty then there is no hope they will keep enemy vessel.

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>>28889245
>>28889275
That's no getup for a battleship, young lady.

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>>28889559
Yeah but a man can dream.

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>>28889559
What is U-505 RIP Alex Trebec

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>>28889559
Germany told Turkey to scrap the Goeben when they offered them to give it back in the 70s. Would have been one of the very few WW1 ships preserved, but no...

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If I wanted to drop off an Iowa class battleship about 52 miles inland from the sea in a cornfield with a structure to support it upright, could it be done? Money aside, do we have the tech to move a ship without breaking it up without reassembling it? Say there was a clear path to the field. What about a DD?

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>>28889728
>structure to support it upright,
Isn't the underside flat, like with Bismarck or Yamato? It would sit without support.

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I got this 23 acre field behind my house that I own and ~40 acres on the side and front. If they dropped it there my son could grow up and play in it like a base as I use to with treehouses.

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>>28889497
>So by your logic Sweden could get rid of the Vasa wreck?

Yes. That thing really doesn't have any historically value beyond being a fun reminder of that one time Swedes fucked up and giving some insight to 17th century nordic shipbuilding, If they felt that keeping it around was no longer worth it and turned it into firewood for their royal palace or something I wouldn't condemn them.

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I use to imagine my treehouse was an Iowa class ship growing up in the 90s.

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Horning!

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>>28890030
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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>>28889728
>>28889790
there's an issue that's being overlooked
Decaying materials.
Raising a ship thats been underwater for so long is complicated.

If if the desire is to raise a complete part of a sunken ship, the decay of certain parts would break in to 2 or more pieces
(see titanic's decaying condition as an example)

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Your new maid.

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>>28890198
Yeah, it would need to be supported somehow but even that wouldn't be enough.

Oh well.

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>>28890198
But he talked about an Iowas ship, not raising a wreck from the seafloor.
Which could also impossible to do because of the depth, see how deep for example Bisko or the five carrier wrecks at Midway are.

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>>28890198
>Iowas
>underwater
Retard.

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>>28888906
Most of the American ships there didn't participate in actual battle either.

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>>28890473
YOU MEAN ALL THE IOWAS DIDN'T SINK?

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>Almost hard capped fuel
I never thought this day would arrive

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>>28890440
ah, my mistake

>Isn't the underside flat, like with Bismarck or Yamato? It would sit without support.

this was what got me,

To move Iowa in one piece?
can't think to clearly due to fatigue.
The only thing that comes to mind is the battleship/dreadnought Texas
otherwise, don't think so

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What ship was she way back when?

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People have moved big objects before. Not sure about total tonnage though. It would be an engineering feat though.

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>>28890934
They towed U-505 via tugboat and rail from NY to Chicago, which was a big feat. Anything bigger than that would need a LOT of power.

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They move destroyers across land like it's nothing. They all have to be moved.

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>>28885235
Yes.
>>28890343
*kicks*

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USS Recruit downtown NYC.

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>>28891071
Don't kick, spank.

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>>28891484
Braaaaaaaaaapp. Poooot poooot!

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>>28891484
I'll spank her underage looking clit with my dick.

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>>28891536

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>>28891484
What if you notice she is starting to bleed during her menstrual cycle she hasn't realized yet?

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>>28891558
>underage looking
But she's one of the oldest looking DDs.
>>28891582
She already knows.

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>>28891636
>no local Oktoberfest to go to this year crossplaying as Bismarck.

Feels bad man.

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>>28891745
More JPEG!

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>>28891745
Why is the quality so bad for a png?

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>>28891887
Oh fuck Michael Moore got Nagato...

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>>28891798
I saved it from here.

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>>28891952
Fyi... i know it sucks and you can forget, but switch to desktop mode before you download. Unless the source was shit too.

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I want Yamato and Musashi squeezed me between them, saying ara ara.

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What would you do to her while she sleeps?

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>>28891983
>desktop mode
?? I don't phone post.

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>>28871977
>JoJo
Johnston for the memes.

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>>28888331
>Too bad their enemies could make ships just as good if not better than they could
Key word is "could". Disregarding the circumstances that led to Japan starting the war in the first place, because that's a whole different rabbit hole that invalidated Japanese prewar strategy to begin with, Japan knew they could not fight a protracted war. If the war went on long enough for the US to get new wartime construction in service, they knew it would be hopeless for them. Which is why they spent so much time building up during the 1920s and 1930s, because you go to war with the navy you have. You're also ignoring crews, which is the other half of the Japanese focus on quality. Japanese naval airmen were the best in the world in the late 1930s-1942, and were the US's betters at night fighting until the end of 1942 after the US learned several very hard lessons at Guadalcanal. Their strategy was sound in the sense that it was the only way they could hope to have a chance, because trying to fight a numbers war was a non-starter.

>Same reason Brits were able to take over two of America's six original frigates.
I see what you're getting at, but it's not a great analogy. The IJN of WWII was capable of meeting and defeating the US Pacific or Atlantic fleets in battle separately and prevailing. The USN of 1812 was not nearly as powerful in relation even to just the ships Britain could spare from fighting France. Japan's problem was not their ships or doctrine, it was the actions of the army-dominated government (with support from younger hawk officers in the IJN) and army field officers driving things to the point where war was inevitable, followed by Yamamoto opening the war in such a way that a total war was inevitable.

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>>28892059
Pay a random DD to cuddle with her while I rail another in the next room.
>>28869725
Kek

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>>28892069
It uses alot less energy and you can sit in a recliner in front of the TV. Then you just screenshare when you want to watch movies on your home theater.

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This game is too complicated for a brainlet like me.

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>>28892095
The only thing the Japanese were better at were torpedo attacks. And considering how many torpedoes ended up being wasted, it showed why you shouldn't use torpedoes from ranges from further than 10km.

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>>28892307
Can this strong girl lift me?

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>>28892307
Just slap on guns a plane and a radar/shell and play on super kuso. Also wait for guides on events if you can't figure the routing through trial and error.

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Sporty Goat!

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>>28892095
>followed by Yamamoto opening the war in such a way that a total war was inevitable.

Yamamoto was such a colossal fuck up, if nips had played their cards carefully there would had been a slim chance for the Pacific War to have been seen by US public as FDR sending their sons, brothers, and husbands to die so that Europeans can keep their colonies in SEA. But nope, someone wants to do a Taranto style raid but with 6 CVs instead of one and thus any chance for that occur goes up in flames.

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>>28892095
>naval airmen were the best in the world in the late 1930s-1942
Debateable when most of them got killed in 1942 compared to Germany and Italy.

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>>28892418

I just started two days ago desu, have no idea what I'm doing. I still have no idea about cut ins and shit.

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>>28892490
Red gun
Red gun
Seaplane

Get airpower and you can double attack
Daytime Double attack is typically better than cutin

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>>28892095
>Terrible fighter control Throughout the entire fucking war
>best air crews
I hate this IJN myth. Both Germany and Britain had better air force systems in place by the time we Americans and the Japanese entered the picture. Not to mention many German pilots lasted a lot longer.

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>>28892584

Sadly all my equipment build tries end in failure. Only "big" ship I have are Junyou and Ashigara now.

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>>28892095
>Japan's problem was not their ships or doctrine,
It was though. Their ships had no good gfcs. They neglected radar despite Professor Yagi letting their opponents stay two years ahead of them at all times. They never developed good fighter control(they should have asked the Germans for pointers instead of equipment), their small ships until the Matsu class were unfit for mass production etc.

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>>28892739
You can get them as stock equipment from some ships.
Just keep going maps and you'll be swarmed with them.

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>>28892307
It's ok. They STILL wont let Americans play so fuck them until they change. Just collect the art, videos and merch.

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>>28892941

Well hopefully, even at 1-4 I get buttfucked rn.

>>28892986

I had to go through so many hoops to get this shit working, it was annoying.

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>>28893034
I decided not to circumvent the creator/publishers wishes many many years ago. Their loss.

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>>28893054
>Too dumb to follow spoonfed instructions
They didn't lose much

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>>28890897
A shark ship!

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>>28893397
Who are you quoting? No, its still against the rules. You gotta be in Japan. Just because you circumvent and disregard their wishes making you a dishonorable dick doesn't change anything. It's still wrong.

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>>28893414
Which is what?

They shouldn't be made to kiss.

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>>28892370
>The only thing the Japanese were better at were torpedo attacks.
Makassar Strait, Java Sea, Sunda Strait, 1st Savo, Tassafaronga, Cape Esperance, etc. They were very proficient at night time engagements, with and without torpedoes, otherwise they wouldn't have fucked the US hard in most of the night actions of Guadcanal until the US battleships were actually committed.

>And considering how many torpedoes ended up being wasted
Shit misses sometimes bro. War is not WoWS. Even with radar Americans were constantly missing with torpedoes and gunfire. Helena in particular for example had very experienced radar crews with deep technical knowledge of the system, yet even then she could expect around a 10% hit rate with her guns. Torpedoes getting IIRC a 15% hit rate was not bad at all, especially when only one or two was needed to render any US combatant short of a battleship combat ineffective.

>>28892456
Germany and Italy weren't flying 8 hour long fighter escort missions. US after action reports consistently spoke to the skill of Japanese bomber pilots and fighter pilots through the first period of war. And unlike Germany and Italy, most Japanese pilots shot down on a mission did not have any hope of returning to fight again because they bailed out in a godforsaken ocean next to an enemy fleet with no possibility of E&E to return to their ships or islands.

>>28892684
See above, and interesting that you conflate controllers with actual air crews. I never claimed that fighter controllers on IJN ships were best in the world. You're also ignoring that the Pacific theatre was absolutely fucked for radio radio interference, to the point where radios that could transmit fine for 10s of kilometers in Europe would put out incomprehensible garble past 4-5km in the Pacific. Also, Germany's record in sinking ships with aircraft is pretty pathetic. Even the Italians were better at that.

>>28892821
Their night optics were consistently praised by the US, as was the IJN in general in night fighting in the early war. In the early war the entire fire control system (rangekeepers, spotting mechanisms, etc.) was not very different from the majority of the US navy. Their successes in the surface actions in the southwest Pacific and around Guadalcanal clearly show this was not a huge issue for the first year of the war.
Fighter control runs in to the issue mentioned above with radio interference.
Mass production is not a ship problem or doctrine problem for them, because if they're at the point where ship mass production matters then the war is already lost anyways.

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>>28893054

Repair time shit is putting me off even more at this point.

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>>28893931
Yeah the Japanese air crews are so good they pretty much lost all their great dive bomber pilots in every engagement except Egusa(who was saved because he stayed on Midway).
They also didn't adopt finger four formation and kept using their shitty modified Kette formation. They were horrible shots in Aircraft gunnery too.

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>>28893931
US fighter crews also talk about how Jap fighter pilots were terrible shots too.

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>>28893936
How? I don't even use buckets outside of events. Just use Akashi when you go to sleep, or actually manage your repair times instead of "ook ook me put all 18 hours ships in at once"

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>>28893931
>You're also ignoring that the Pacific theatre was absolutely fucked for radio radio interference
Yeah if you didn't properly install them to be shielded. Which the Japanese didn't when they bothered to install them.

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>>28893931
> 8 hour long fighter escort mission
Was terrible doctrine in hindsight. Which is why there were very few P-51 flights to Japanese home islands in 1945. Too many things can go mechanically wrong not to mention fatigue on the pilots. Large Bombers can get away with it because they have co-pilots.

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>>28893931
>Torpedoes getting IIRC a 15% hit rate was not bad at all,

Going by Czarnecki's calculations nip torpedo hit rate was around 6,7%.

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>>28893931
Literally no one achieved a 15% torpedo hit rate during the war except maybe a few of the German homing ones when noisemakers weren't around.

[Anonymous No.]

I want you to all be aware of a new art trend coming in December where girls are highly affected by strong gravity pulling their tits down and making them look and feel encumbered.

You heard it here first.

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>>28892059

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>>28895140
You could incapacitate her and you just poke her stomach? Lame.

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I'd Mu her sashi if you know what I mean.

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>>28895177
He is externally stimulating her womb.

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I'd love to show some hurtcore vids to some of the smaller DD's and try some things on them.

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>>28893931
Long range missions without changing pilots is bad for fighters anon. If that's a not a problem with doctrine I don't know what is. Also they were bad at rescuing their own pilots. And let's not forget where they never filled up Zuikaku with pilots for the Midway Battle or the last major Guadalcanal push. And you say they wanted to win.

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>>28882676
Bring TPCI.
I forgot to bring my star shell and night recon during this sortie, but the boss still went down without a problem.

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>>28892448
What are you on about? The war was going to happen regardless of Yamamoto's involvement. All he did was try to give Japan a fighting chance.

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>>28894051
The US encountered the same problem in theater and it took them time to fix it as well, and it was still an issue even as late as 1945. Just not as big of an issue as it had been in 1942. US assessments as of 1945 https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/j/japanese-radio-communications-cincpoa-5-45.html say that Japanese sets were generally competitive with US models by late 1943. In the short term it affected both sides, in the long term the IJN was already so far gone it didn't matter, but they were capable of fixing the issue and did.

>>28894118
>Was terrible doctrine in hindsight
That wasn't doctrine. They had attempted to set up an intermediate airfield at Buin on Bougainville, but the bad weather meant construction of the field was seriously delayed, the field itself was in incredibly rough shape to the point that Japanese aircraft were heavily damaged when flying into it, and they didn't have the ability to divert manufacturing to the steel mats that the US used for their island airstrips. Japan also lacked the robust civil engineering infrastructure the US enjoyed, meaning they had far less in the way of bulldozers and power tools to do the work. So with Buin unavailable, the alternative was to send unescorted strikes of G4Ms, which wasn't acceptable given the losses they had taken previously trying to strike Cactus and US carrier groups without escorts. This isn't a matter of "in hindsight they should have done this because they had the ability to", it's "this was a physical impossibility so they did the best they could with what they had".

>Which is why there were very few P-51 flights to Japanese home islands in 1945
By that point the Japanese air forces were thoroughly gutted and not much of a threat, and Japanese ground AA even less of a threat to the B-29s, so the P-51s were hardly needed to begin with. If Japan magically still had competent pilots and intact aviation industry, you would absolutely have seen P-51s flying along for escort. If it was necessary to keep the bomber strikes going, the US would have done it.

>>28894144
>>28894188
I misremembered the number it seems, but Czarnecki gives an average taken across nearly every torpedo engagement of the war save for coup de grace shots. In the early war, before losses and fatigue started taking their toll, they pretty consistently scored between 8-13% hit rates by individual actions, with a couple 0-1% hit rate flubs, when they were prepared and ready for action. I don't really see the actions where Tokyo Express units were ambushed by USN forces as damning to their performances, because generally when you get caught by surprise you're not going to respond effectively. Flip side case in point, 1st Savo and Tassafaronga again.

>>28895772
>Long range missions without changing pilots is bad for fighters anon
The issue is that they didn't have the extra pilots to begin with to swap them out, coupled with a perceived need to prevent any Midway survivors from talking. It would have been less of an issue if the Buin airfield hadn't been a godforsaken mudhole when they actually needed it in 1942, but it was a strategic mistake to stretch themselves so thinly in the first place that they couldn't rotate them. This goes back to prewar assumptions by an overconfident military dictatorship that was primarily concerned with China, not the US, and utterly refused to listen to any navy moderates in the run up to hostilities.

>Also they were bad at rescuing their own pilots
Hard to rescue your pilots when they land in the middle of a US fleet or on a US-held island. The US had similar difficulties rescuing carrier pilots in 1942.

> And let's not forget where they never filled up Zuikaku with pilots for the Midway Battle or the last major Guadalcanal pus
That was a doctrinal inflexibility yes, but I believe it could have been overcome. Overconfidence was the killer here, as CarDiv5 was seen as the "green" division and had still come off better than the US carriers. So in their minds, why would 1 and 2 divisions not trounce the remaining US carriers? End result, Nagumo gets scapegoated when Yamamoto put him in an impossible tactical situation at Midway. And for Guadalcanal, the real mistake was not committing battleships to the fight sooner.

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>>28897713
Didn't the nips wargame midway right before it happened, US carriers showed up, sunk Akagi+Kaga, and they decided lamo that would never happen lets reverse that damage?

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>>28896772
You do know that FDR would need congress to approve of the war right? You seriously believe that most of the senators and state reps would give him his war power in the 1940s, while anti-war and isolationist movements were dominating the political scene?

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>>28896772
Not him, and I agree Yamamoto got dealt a shit hand despite his work in the 1930s trying to get the government to come to an agreement with the west regarding China. However, I do agree with him that hitting Pearl was a huge misstep, and Yamamoto's subsequent plans and commitments to army-driven ops were poorly thought out and both tactically and strategically unsound. Though at the same time, in his defense he had watched the Philippines, Singapore, New Britain, and Java all fold like wet cardboard, against all expectations. The initial successes were utterly mindboggling, and I can see how that could affect his judgement.

>>28897905
They did. To an extent, the Midway games were a rubber stamp and there absolutely were some shenanigans going on with regards to willfully ignoring the possibility of US carriers being present before the IJN submarine screen.
https://youtu.be/RTwiUrbU_D0
Above has a good high-level overview of what was going on with the war games. 3:30 is the timestamp when they actually go over the incident where Akagi and Kaga were sunk early in the op. Alan Zimm mentions a similar incident in his Pearl Harbor book, and gives a good explanation of why the carriers were changed to "not sunk" in that instance. Essentially if you lose half the strike force you can no longer continue the op because of those devastating losses. The idea is to observe what happened, make changes to reduce the risk, then continue. And to their credit they did continue without Kaga in that instance, so they consider the possibility of a loss. They just didn't take the threat of the US coming to fight early seriously.

>>28898088
The Philippines were a giant strategic threat to any Japanese expansion into the East Indies, and Guam threatened Japanese lines into the central Pacific. Japan was not going to allow either to stay in US control, so if they began hostilities FDR was going to get a war declaration. The only question was how much the US populace would care about fighting the war.

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>>28897713
>That was a doctrinal inflexibility yes, but I believe it could have been overcome. Overconfidence was the killer here, as CarDiv5 was seen as the "green" division and had still come off better than the US carriers. So in their minds, why would 1 and 2 divisions not trounce the remaining US carriers? End result, Nagumo gets scapegoated when Yamamoto put him in an impossible tactical situation at Midway. And for Guadalcanal, the real mistake was not committing battleships to the fight sooner.
They never committed Battleships to Guadalcanal. And an 8 to 13% hit ratio isn't 15 % hit ratio no matter how you slice it.
>Hard to rescue your pilots when they land in the middle of a US fleet or on a US-held island. The US had similar difficulties rescuing carrier pilots in 1942.
They didn't rescue all of ryujou's pilots even when her planes landed somewhat near them. It's pretty piss poor. Compare that to the USN rescuing most of Hornet's air group even after she was sunk. Their pilots couldn't coordinate for shit. Their radio silence doctrine doomed them more often than not. Stop pretending everything was okay cocksucker.

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>>28898397
The fact that the IJN's strategy was to attack any US holdings is what people criticize them for. If they don't attack the Philippians or Guam, FDR does not have his casus belli, and Congress won't approve the War Power act unless they want to commit political suicide.
Japan could have gotten their oil from the dutch indies, and the only thing that FDR could do is watch Nazi Germany slowly whittle away as their war with the USSR drags on for a much longer time.

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>>28898088
Are you fucking dense? The Japanese people were whipped into a jingoistic fervor by 1941. And then after the embargo and subsequent Hull Note the war was inevitable as neither side was going to back down from it's position. Sure, the Japanese COULD have avoided the Philippines and kept the US out, but it's a huge obstacle for invading the rest of SEA.

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I think we can just all agree that the Japanese are just fucking terrible.

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>>28898900
Apparently not guy we are arguing with.

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>>28898900
Any shit related with chinese people is terrible

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>>28898900
At least one guy in here thinks their doctrine was perfect.

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I was just saying that in general so you guys don't waste more thought on them.

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>>28898632
>They never committed Battleships to Guadalcanal
The Kongous were rebuilt as fast battleships and classified and used as such by the Japanese. Just because (You) don't consider them to be battleships doesn't make your opinion fact.

>And an 8 to 13% hit ratio isn't 15 % hit ratio no matter how you slice it.
>IIRC
I was off on the number, 15% was doctrinal expectation, 8-13% was reality under decent conditions.

>They didn't rescue all of ryujou's pilots even when her planes landed somewhat near them
They rescued 7, so they did try, and they were still being engaged by B-17s at the time. The planes ditched right around sunset, so it's entirely possible they couldn't just find them. By comparison, Hornet's aviators still had plenty of daylight when they landed on Enterprise and ditched nearby, and were not being engaged by Japanese planes.

>Their radio silence doctrine doomed them more often than not.
This was absolutely a massive issue.

>>28898722
I'm aware, but I think the criticism is mostly unfounded. Pearl Harbor is the only US holding I think they should have held off on for a better chance at victory, and maybe Guam. But the Philippines absolutely not. I agree with >>28898748

>>28899152
Never said it was perfect, I said overall it was the best they could do with what they had. If you can't understand the difference, you need to leave 4chan for a while.

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>>28899464
>Rebuilt as fast battleships
They weren't. They never had much improvement in armour in any sense of the word.
>Ditched around sunset.
Then perhaps they should have ditched earlier if they didn't know where Zuikaku and Shoukaku were and couldn't make it to an allied airfield.

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>>28890030
>1200x813
Imagine saving a sample.

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>>28899464
>Fast battleships
Maybe in their own minds but the only real change was to increase to their speed. In reality they went from Battlecruiser to even faster battlecruisers. The problem is that Japs due to the planned and cancelled Amagi class was going to have 250 mm belt and the fact the Tosa class was going to go 26 to 27 knots(which was as fast as the earliest battlecruisers). This meant nips were going to stop seeing differences between battlecruisers and battleships and start calling them all battleships. Of course if these classes had been built the Kongos would have been taken off of frontline duty. But then the classes along with the 1920 SD class and N3 and G3 classes were cancelled. But the Japanese went ahead with the planned redesignation change anyway so the Kongos ended up being called Battleships by them and still had to serve as frontline units. But considering their replacements was the B-65 cruiser they knew very well what the Kongos still were.

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>>28899661
>They weren't. They never had much improvement in armour in any sense of the word.
Take it up with the Japanese for calling them battleships then.

>Then perhaps they should have ditched earlier if they didn't know where Zuikaku and Shoukaku were and couldn't make it to an allied airfield.
Love how we're moving the goalposts now. It's almost like shit happens in war. They arrived after she sank though, and she sank at 17:55, so precious little daylight, if any, left for them at that point.

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>>28899994
Maybe they should installed better radios then. But then again you think their radios were perfect even though in reality they never improved their radio discipline beyond 1942 standards.

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Torpedo reloads hardly ever ended up being a factor in battle except one too.

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>>28899437
>南風
?

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>>28900103
Are you done building strawmen? I never said their radios were perfect. See >>28897713
>The US encountered the same problem in theater and it took them time to fix it as well, and it was still an issue even as late as 1945. Just not as big of an issue as it had been in 1942. US assessments as of 1945 https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/j/japanese-radio-communications-cincpoa-5-45.html say that Japanese sets were generally competitive with US models by late 1943. In the short term it affected both sides, in the long term the IJN was already so far gone it didn't matter, but they were capable of fixing the issue and did.

If you read that as
>they were perfect
you're a fucking retard

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>>28900218
pasta

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>>28900570
Mamma mia, blessed Jiji.

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>>28900522
If we go by your shitty logic then the USN and the RN had good doctrine for 1942 too. Is that where you really want to go? And we know that's not true.

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>>28900522
The only one building shitty strawmen is you saying the IJN did better than the USN and RN and we know that's not true.

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>>28889728
If cost isn't an issue, it could probably be done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parbuckle_salvage#Righting_of_Oklahoma

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>>28900852
>>28900885
Do either of you care to point out where I said this, or are you content to keep strawmanning?

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>>28901437
You said their doctrine was good for what they were going for but you could apply that for any navy prewar.

[Anonymous No.]

When's the last time we had a farming event?

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>>28901974
8 months ago.

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>>28901974
The Hinamatsuri event is March that I worked so hard to forget. I'm SO SAD fishing was bad this year.

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>>28902358
blame the chinese for no fish 2020.

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>>28883340
Iowa 200%

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>>28883340
Man, can I get a reroll or something, damn.

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>>28901974
Hinamatsuri. COVID means no farming events.

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>>28902358
>>28902396
Poor fishing catches in march had nothing to do with COVID. Heck the devs mentioned last year's saury fishing was poor.

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>>28902797
That's true.

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>>28902797
Are saury actually getting over fished? I can't even think of anyone besides the nips that regularly eat that crappy fish

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>>28902916
According to the shitty source known as wikipedia. Apparently Pacific Islanders in general eat Saury and maybe the Chinese too(not surprised, Chinese will eat much worse things than Saury).

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>>28902916
Could be a mixture of getting over fished and climate change? Warming of the oceans is still a thing and maybe be changing where the Saury migrate to.

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>>28902916
People in the UK and other parts of Europe also apparently import Pacific saury for bait(they don't eat it though). So it's possible it could be overfished.

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>>28902916
Northern Pike tastes better imo.

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>>28903174
Chinks with enough spending money will put anything in their mouths if you say it improves their sex drive.

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>>28902537
She's too fat to be a cheerleader

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>>28899437
Pastas are a given but I wonder if Washi-san is coming too.

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>>28903702
>Pastas are a given
Can't we get a new French and take a break from Pastas?

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>>28903702
Well Washington was mainly in the northern part of Europe. Wouldn't be the first time we got ship daughter from places that had nothing to do with them.

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>>28903702
Hey Washi!

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>>28903785
>Akira
no thanks, I want more drawings of jiji, the madlad.

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Did someone here pay for an ad? I see Zui doing the ZuiZui dance.

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>>28903702
鷲-san

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https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10580007
Would you buy?

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>>28901552
Not to the US, because the US hadn't changed much since the days of Mahan. The biggest evolution in their doctrine in interwar years other than naval aviation was scout cruisers, which were obsolescent by WWII, and their naval aviation lagged far behind the Japanese by 1941. They were about a decade behind in underway refueling, though they unfucked that by 1943. They had to learn everything about fighting the Japanese the hard way, from combat, and to their credit they learned pretty quickly. For the RN, I'm not well read enough to make any judgement on their situation, but as far as I'm aware the RN did pretty well overall in the early war. At least with sub hunting and ASDIC, the failing was not doctrine but technology not working as expected.

And to be clear here. Doctrine must evolve and change as you find out what works in practice. Full stop. I never said it was perfect, but it was as good as it could be going in to the war because the Japanese were actively applying themselves to figure out how to beat the US in a naval war, exploring options that were possible given their industry, and procuring ships towards those ends. Kantai kessen was coherent, and took advantage of areas where the US was perceived to be weak to give the Japanese a fighting chance. Technology followed doctrine, meaning night optics, torpedoes, and carrier aviation were given high prioritization. Though one area that they were hopelessly behind the US in was damage control, and the resultant lack of firefighting foam and basic firefighting equipment like gas masks, and this could have been rectified had attention been paid to it.

There were absolutely issues. Radio silence often caused coordination problems with task forces, exacerbated further by Yamamoto's love of separate tactical groups scattered over hundreds of miles of seascape. Aerial search patterns were insufficient, and as a result of Midway the IJN moved to two-phase searches (though at the time, they were not considered inadequate by either US or Japanese standards https://digital-commons.usnwc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1202&context=nwc-review).). Scouting reports and other information originating outside of a commander's immediate group often never made it to them, as happened when the submarine group radio intercept reports and the Transport group's submarine spotting reports never made it to Nagumo before the battle of Midway.

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>>28904055
That's mine. It's been running for a few days but the Hololivers keep bumping the price up. I'm never doing a mobile for this specific board ever again.

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>>28904055
Also

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>>28904471
How much? I might post my shipfu as an ad.

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>>28904687
It's an auction system, set a bid amount/1000 impressions and a max amount for the campaign.

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>>28824453
It's her birthday!

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>>28899661
>They never had much improvement in armour in any sense of the word.

It is pretty amusing to see people go on about how they were drastically up-armored and how this totally made them BBs when said process was rather tame when compared to stuff like Renown and Repulse having their original armor belts removed and replaced with 50% thicker ones just after WW1.

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>>28901974
Never

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>>28899437
EO in Africa?

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Never seen that glitch before

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>>28904375
>Not to the US, because the US hadn't changed much since the days of Mahan. The biggest evolution in their doctrine in interwar years other than naval aviation was scout cruisers, which were obsolescent by WWII, and their naval aviation lagged far behind the Japanese by 1941. They were about a decade behind in underway refueling, though they unfucked that by 1943. They had to learn everything about fighting the Japanese the hard way, from combat, and to their credit they learned pretty quickly. For the RN, I'm not well read enough to make any judgement on their situation, but as far as I'm aware the RN did pretty well overall in the early war. At least with sub hunting and ASDIC, the failing was not doctrine but technology not working as expected.
What shitty books have you been reading. US thinking literally changed from the 1920s War plan orange to War plan Rainbow Five. Go read a fucking book.

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>>28904375
>Not to the US, because the US hadn't changed much since the days of Mahan.
It except they removed themselves from Mahan entirely. Holy shit you really are an IJN cocksucker and think they are the best despite your claims to the contrary.

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Happy 101st to my favorite wife!

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>>28906670
They were uparmored the same way the Nevadas and Pennsylvania(plus the New Mexico's) were uparmored as well as the Fusou and Ise classes. Most improvements came from deck armour additions plus slight additions to torpedo protection. They still were very vulnerable to newer 8 inch guns in many places on their belt.

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>>28908352
But yeah a few County class cruisers and Renown class were some of the few ships to get uparmored belts for the interwar + ww2 period. Usually it isn't done because adding to the belt can cause problems for stability which happened to at least one of the County class at least.

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>>28908099
post her with the ring

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>>28904471
You should've done it on /vg/ for the shitposting potential.

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>>28910181
Problem is the bid rate on vg is far lower than on this board, so I would burn through my budget very very fast. I can swap it there for a bit and lower the bid I suppose.

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kagacute

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>>28908510
like this?

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Daily paizuri from Hamakaze!

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>>28911404
The real question here is why doesn't his original Hamakaze serve that purpose already?

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>>28887044
why am I a ghost?

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>>28911636
She’s good for AACI

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>>28913300
>good for AACI
Not when you have all Ducks, Fletcher, Atlanta and Maya

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>>28908099
Deito with Nagato?

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>>28913540
Yes but she's the cutest and hottest out of all of them.

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Marrying Nagato!

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>>28915353
Nope. I can’t decide who’s the best out of them, but it’s not Hamakaze when you’ve got them.

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>>28916794
It's certainly a close race but I think Hama just edges them all out.

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>>28916794
Suzutsuki or Fletcher tied for best looking. Origami a shit.

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>>28916794
For me, it's Maya-sama.

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>>28875761
Kaga is just too cute

[Anonymous No.]

Your Shimushuus have grown up

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>>28921948
They look the same

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>>28917424
I was gonna say Suzutsuki might be the prettiest of them. I’d say Atlanta is up there too though.

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>>28914216
Oh yes.

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>>28916772
This but also having an abusive relationship with her.

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https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=5642093&tags=tenryuu_%28kantai_collection%29

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>>28935015
Between this and the guy advocating genocide this is a seriously fucked up thread.

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>>28938372
That other guy is a serial shitposter who's posted more annoying and more fucked up shit here before. Try not to give him any attention.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the best composition for routing in 1-5?

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>>28938748
Any fleet of 4 ships that are allowed to sortie there will make it to the boss node. Take whatever maximizes your number of ASW (or OASW, if you have it) attacks.

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>>28938748
Four DEs skip the empty node and save you a few extra seconds per run.

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>>28938748
4 onaholes, they can even be unremodeled as long as at least 3 have OASW

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>>28939112

I just started so no 100+ ASW sadly.

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>>28939195
Onaholes OASW at 65. But if you just started I guess you neither have onaholes nor 12+ ASW gear. In that case I'd probably be running 2 DD + CL + BBV (for the second round of attacks). But I don't know if you have any BBVs yet.

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>>28939340

Nope, only battleship I have is Hiei right and I only have two depth charges now. Highest I can go is 32 on Shigure.

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>>28939380
>I only have two depth charges now
1-5 is an easy map, but only if you have ASW setups. You need all your ships with sonar + depth charge if you want to deal some real damage, so you're gonna need to get crafting. Remember that you don't need to clear 1-5 to unlock other maps (except 1-6 but that resets monthly), so you can save it for when you're prepared.

I'd say one of your priorities is to clear the quests that unlock your expedition fleets, so you're gonna need the Sendais and the bongous. Also if you come across Isuzu, keep her, she kai nis at level 50 and has built-in OASW, so she's great for early game.

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>>28939719
>and has built-in OASW
at kai ni*

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>>28939719

I already unlocked the expedition tab, or do you mean something else? I have Naka and Jintsuu but lost my Sendai because I'm a fucking retard.

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>>28939764
>or do you mean something else
You can send 3 fleets at once in expeditions, but you need to clear the Sendai quest to unlock fleet 3 and the Kongou quest to unlock fleet 4.

>but lost my Sendai because I'm a fucking retard
F. Told you about advancing on red.

Also, if you have unlocked PvP, do it. It doesn't matter if you lose, it's the cheapest XP you'll get.

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>>28939764
Doing the early composition quests will give you access to your second, third, and fourth fleet slots. You'll use those to run expeditions to get you more resources, since you can't send expeditions with your first fleet.
Also never advance on red. It's not worth whatever you're prepared to lose.

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>>28940023

I have the second fleet unlocked, trying to get a second sendai at 1-4 now. It was a mistake on my part, I misclicked and didn't know you could just close the game.

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>>28940053
Ah, I've almost done that a few times as well. I'll never do sorties half-awake ever again. If you're using a viewer, the moment it updates with the combat details is when everything is decided. It doesn't matter if you leave before the animations play, if your ship is marked as lost there she's gone.

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>>28940198
>I'll never do sorties half-awake ever again
>tfw I F5'd ye olde 5-4 4 times within the same night because I kept advancing

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>>28940504
Goya, phase 1 3-2-A, 4am.

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>>28940198
One person found ships marked sunk would not be removed if maintenance began and disconnected you before returning to the home screen. Once servers were back up, the ship was at 0 HP but could otherwise be repaired normally. Dunno if it's still true or even consistent, I doubt many people have been willing to test it. But if you accidentally sink a ship and you really really don't want to lose her, you could always try leaving the game running at the battle result screen until the next maintenance.

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Boobakaze.

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>>28940864
That still works.

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>>28940865
Why does she have swirly eyes?

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>>28939340
doesn't 1-5 still need a light carrier or a seaplane tender? I bring gamby because it's the only map I can use her on.

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>>28940864
This is only true of event maps.

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>>28940945
She knows she's about to get plowed like a breeding sow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28941183
Not on HTML5.

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Is there some sort of curse or unknown stat about Yuudachi?
Her stats are not that different from others, yet she gets taiha'd at every turn. And everyone really always wants to shoot at her.
Maybe this is intended by Tanaka as the whole white flag incident?

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>>28941335
Shigure and Yuudachi are notorious taiha magnets. Ask anyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28941335
Every account has a ship with that curse. On my account it is Верный.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28941292
Good!

[Anonymous No.]

>>28854394

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>>28845889
>>28841870
Colorado may have won but Iowa is still the superior Burger Battleship

[Anonymous No.]

>>28942405
Next burger Big7 when?
Then they can all gang up on Iowa.

[Anonymous No.]

Maryland next

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[Anonymous No.]

>>28942542

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>>28942570

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>>28942606

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[Anonymous No.]

今月下旬予定の次期期間限定海域作戦開始メンテナンス＆アップデートに先立ち、今週11/13(金)に同事前メンテを含む重メンテナンスを実施予定です。同メンテに伴うアップデートでは、13日の金曜日をも躱して進む「幸運の女神」、あの奇跡の駆逐艦のさらなる改装を実装予定です。

>幸運の女神

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>>28942935
You didn't know?

[Anonymous No.]

Cun

[Anonymous No.]

>>28942542
>>28942570
>>28942606
>>28942644
Almost perfect, no huge claws though

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>>28911404
I hate to be that guy, but which doujin is that?

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>>28917577
Yeah for Tomboyfags Maya is definitely going to the hottest for them.

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>>28948018
Hamakaze is a tomboy too. Just people haven't accepted she's the best ship.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28945885
https://nhentai.net/g/308879/
https://nhentai.net/g/313296/

[Anonymous No.]

>>28948659
That's because she's garbage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28948018
How can Maya hope to compete with Mogami?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28949682
Being a "real" tomboy with a tomboy body instead to a sexy one.

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>>28948659
>Hamakaze is a tomboy too
nice try, take your (You).

[Anonymous No.]

>>28949682
tits, hips, sexiness of the Takao class

[Anonymous No.]

>>28949682
Maya is the bancho tomboy
Mogami is the sporty tomboy

[Anonymous No.]

>>28942542
Would lick every inch of her body.

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>>28948772
>only ever fucks their tits
Damn, what a waste.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28951171
You don’t need anything else.

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>>28941373
I can confirm this. I don't count on them for anything except jobbing.

[Anonymous No.]

ny

[Anonymous No.]

>>28953998
based bosshi

[Anonymous No.]

>>28953998
Imagine playing Twister with her and Kasumi

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/8TeLHDESJH0

[Anonymous No.]

>>28954867
I would be able to hide my boner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28954869
They should give Ashigara sex hair in the browser game too. Wait is there any ship that has sex hair?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28955166
Kishiwave, Zara, and Pola seem closest upon review of the library

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>28955166
>>28955313
What’s sex hair

[Anonymous No.]

>>28956102
I want her to berate me after I sexually assault her.

[Anonymous No.]

British DD with Ushio/Hamakaze/Urakaze/Naganami/Fletcher sized breasts when?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28956173
Essentially just wavy hair

[Anonymous No.]

>>28955025
Also they’re wearing white microbikinis

[Anonymous No.]

>>28955025
I meant wouldn't.
>>28956618
I would be in physical pain from how hard I would get. Throw Yamagumo and Arashio in and I would not be able to control myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28956391
>British DD
Hopefully never

[Anonymous No.]

>>28956173
Look up Kaoru from Amagami SS. The perfect example.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28956800
Already we have two retards.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>28956901
Lets not add a third.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28956800
>>28956901
>>28957106
She’ll be smart though

[Anonymous No.]

>>28957385
>bong
>smart
choose one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28957434
Jarvis gains a brain cell every time you cum in her. Unfortunately, she also loses brain cells during sex because she likes to be choked.

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>>28957541
She likes to watch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28956391
HMS Nubian.

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>>28942570
>>28942606
>86 kg
Yeah, that's obviously a lie.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>28957434
Only the DDs are dumb.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28824453

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>>28938372
Ryona is the purest form of love you faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

Updated OP:
https://pastebin.com/2AAeKefJ

Comptiq Dec 2020 Issue - KanColle Article:
http://www.mediafire.com/?t0mua883sq4cb8m
Salute! 21 Raw:
http://www.mediafire.com/?ssxysanr8p357xr

I was gonna upload this when it came out but today was super fucking long. Article is only 4 pages, next one is focused on something else, so probably won't get anything big until January (Feb issue).

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>>28961129
Tenks.