It isn't that bad, kind of didn't like the fact they took out the mystery of whether Beatrice exists or not for the first Episode by showing her in the garden. I thought they were going to keep it like Higurashi on the creepy factor, guess not and they're jumping straight into the fantasy.

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Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:25:03 2009 No.2878715 [Reply] [Original]

It isn't that bad, kind of didn't like the fact they took out the mystery of whether Beatrice exists or not for the first Episode by showing her in the garden. I thought they were going to keep it like Higurashi on the creepy factor, guess not and they're jumping straight into the fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:26:03 2009 No.2878718 /a/

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:27:03 2009 No.2878721 >>2878718 no this is /jp/, there is no /a/

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:28:03 2009 No.2878726 File: 55 KB, 295x248, 1245036523004.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] They showed Beatrice in the first episode? That's kind of fucked up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:29:03 2009 No.2878732 Wasn't it said that the anime would use the same soundtrack as the game? WHERE THE FUCK IS MY HOPE VER 1.00 DURING THE ROSE GARDEN SCENEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:30:03 2009 No.2878733 >>2878715 There is no Umineko anime

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:30:03 2009 No.2878736 animu is shit unless they show plenty of Sailor Jupiter

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:30:03 2009 No.2878737 Reported for /a/ related material.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:30:03 2009 No.2878738 >>2878732 It doesn't have the same OP but most of the background music is the same.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:31:03 2009 No.2878741 What? what the fucking fuck!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:31:03 2009 No.2878742 Umineko is shit

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:31:03 2009 No.2878745 >>2878733 Let's not do this one episode in. It could be a really good adaptation. But probably not

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:32:03 2009 No.2878747 >>2878732 Hey yeah, that too, this anime sucks. You should never doubt that VN>*

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:34:03 2009 No.2878759 >>2878738 But they left out hope ;_; That was supposed to be the whole "silence before the storm" thing. A moment of peace for the entire family and they put in some generic looping abomination

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:35:03 2009 No.2878765 >>2878747 original > adaptation. This is true 99% of the time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:36:03 2009 No.2878772 >>2878759 The fact that the game music is in it at all is a pleasant surprise for me. So, I'm not complaining.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:38:03 2009 No.2878781 It's too soon to judge an anime with just one episode.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:38:03 2009 No.2878784 File: 155 KB, 504x551, Beatrice.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2878726

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:38:03 2009 No.2878788 slowpoke here, is there a link to the ep

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:38:03 2009 No.2878790 >>2878781 This is 4chan. We always do that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:39:03 2009 No.2878793 zst, responsible for goldenslaughterer, hope, worldend dominator, mirage coordinator, is not involved in the anime.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:40:03 2009 No.2878800 >>2878784 shop?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:40:03 2009 No.2878802 >>2878793 See >>2877553

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:40:03 2009 No.2878805 >>2878772 It will be an even more pleasant suprise when you find out that they left out worldenddominator kihihihihihihihihi

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:41:03 2009 No.2878807 >>2878793 >zts music not in the anime I hope you're kidding.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:41:03 2009 No.2878811 >>2878793 Get your facts straight. Hope is from dai which is the music director. The first game BGMs to be used in the anime is from zts, namely stupefaction and witch in gold.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:42:03 2009 No.2878812 >>2878793 >>2878805 FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:42:03 2009 No.2878816 >>2878790 We are like the US Judiciary. Most of the time we are right and once we are wrong that doesn't matter, we just set the maximum penalty and continue like nothing happened.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:42:03 2009 No.2878819 Good Eva, you look kinda cute.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:43:03 2009 No.2878821 zts is in the credits, stop being trolled by idiots. Also I'm sad hope wasn't played too... it's almost like the theme song to me it's remixed in other tracks so much.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:43:03 2009 No.2878823 File: 355 KB, 1280x720, Beatrice2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2878800 No it's a crop from the garden scene

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:43:03 2009 No.2878824 >>2878805 I wouldn't really care, love the song but I'm happier that -45 is going to have some tracks in the anime.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:44:03 2009 No.2878827 >>2878816 Only no one gives a shit about our judgements.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:44:03 2009 No.2878834 LOLOL THIS ANIME SUCKS WHY DO PEOPLE LIKE IT IT'S JUST A BUNCH OF MIDDLE-AGED PEOEPLE TALKING ABOUT INHERITANCE AND SHIT. WHY IS THERE NO HADNDSOME TEENAGE PEOPLE, I CAN'T RELATE IF THERE ISN/T ANY. DUMB ASS MIDDLE AGE PEOPLE CRACKLECRACKLECRACKLE

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:44:03 2009 No.2878835 >>2878821 They'll play Hope in another episode. Don't lose hope...pun not intended.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:45:03 2009 No.2878839 File: 160 KB, 361x479, bern_smile2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2878834 crackle snap beatriche pop

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:46:03 2009 No.2878840 >>2878824 Besides the fact that zts is in the credits.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:46:03 2009 No.2878841 Am I the only one waiting for subs? I'd know what's going on without them anyway, but still...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:47:03 2009 No.2878846 >>2878821 IMA NO BOKU NI NANIKA MIERU~

>>	Trollkastel !!YSTYW7Om7uL Wed Jul 1 23:47:03 2009 No.2878849 File: 85 KB, 505x480, ber_akuwaraia2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2878839

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:47:03 2009 No.2878852 >>2878823 The fuck, what's she doing there? why would they show her? fuck

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:48:03 2009 No.2878859 >>2878852 She's giving out umbrellas, you tell me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:49:03 2009 No.2878865 >>2878852 Supervised by Ryu07, don't bother DEEN about this.

Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:50:03 2009 No.2878871

>>2878852
Yeah, they shouldn't. Let's take a trip down memory lane, shall we?

Who else hated the fuck out of Battler at the tea party? Everyone was convinced that Beatrice existed and even the Reader who was skeptical at first, started believing in her too. Then he had to bitch and moan about how humans could have committed it but wasn't able to give any evidence.

And then came the first murder of Episode 2. Did you come?

>>	Anonymous of the Crimson Moon Wed Jul 1 23:51:03 2009 No.2878875 Well, they show Kinzo too, so obviously IT LIES TO YOU.

>>	Trollkastel !!YSTYW7Om7uL Wed Jul 1 23:53:03 2009 No.2878885 >>2878875 IKIRU BASHO NAKI LOVE MY PRAYAAAAAAAAA DARE OU NO UTA RE OOOOOOOOOOOU!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:53:03 2009 No.2878886 >>2878875 They should have kept the Fantasy stuff out of Episode 1 :< Beatrice couldn't have enough power to summon herself at the first game and it even took her 4 episodes to summon Kinzo

>>	Anonymous of the Crimson Moon Wed Jul 1 23:55:03 2009 No.2878895 >>2878886 Well she manifested to give Maria the umbrella in the first episode, if you believe the autistic 9 year old.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:02:03 2009 No.2878925 >>2878871 First murder of episode 2 is chapel closed room, right? If so, that's easily explainable.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:03:03 2009 No.2878930 >>2878886 >:< Stop that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:08:03 2009 No.2878950 File: 40 KB, 227x253, 1242681606740.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2878816 >US Judiciary >right most of the time

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:09:03 2009 No.2878955 I won't accept anything not in red in here.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:10:03 2009 No.2878964 >>2878925 Which was not closed

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:10:03 2009 No.2878965 >>2878886

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:11:03 2009 No.2878969 >>2878925 Small bombs!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:12:03 2009 No.2878971 >>2878715 Wait wait, is that Eva?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:12:03 2009 No.2878973 Are you guys serious. God damnit. What's wrong with beato showing up during a scene suppressed in the VN. It's ok.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:13:03 2009 No.2878977 >>2878971 No, shit!?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:13:03 2009 No.2878978 They showed her silhouette, which can support the fact that someone is in disguise as Beatrice, or that there may be unreliable narration.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:14:03 2009 No.2878985 I never got it, isn't the fact that she can make the whole thing go over and over again enough proof?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:14:39 2009 No.2878986 So they showed someone dressed up as Beato. Big deal. Maria had to give it somehow, and they obviously couldn't keep it in the same format as the novel.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:15:03 2009 No.2878988 File: 24 KB, 500x358, umineko-anime-sketch-22-eva-face.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2878977 THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU PROMISED, FUCKERS!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:15:03 2009 No.2878991 So they showed someone dressed up as Beato. Big deal. Maria had to get the letter somehow, and they obviously couldn't keep it in the same format as the novel.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:16:03 2009 No.2878993 >>2878977 She looks TOO different, that's certainly not how she would look.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:16:03 2009 No.2878995 Sounds like the anime fucked up big time on the first episode already

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:16:03 2009 No.2878996 >>2878988 She does look like that. Try actually watching the episode.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:18:03 2009 No.2879001 >>2878995 Nah, it's mostly small stuff, not far enough in to have real stuff to complain about. In fact they exceeded my expectations by far. The only thing I dislike is the character design changes but I'll just put up with it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:21:03 2009 No.2879006 >>2879001 You mean how Battler is not gar at all?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:21:03 2009 No.2879007 The only thing that annoyed me was the lack of Shannon. She didnt even go to the beach with the cousins like she was supposed to, and it seems like they're ignoring her relationship with George.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:21:03 2009 No.2879010 The fact that they showed Beatrice already is a major mistake of the anime. EP1 had no magical stuff shown, except at the Tea Parties.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:22:03 2009 No.2879012 >>2879006 >gar Back to /a/ please.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:22:03 2009 No.2879013 >>2879001 You like chubby Maria?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:22:03 2009 No.2879015 >>2879010 Yeah, and nothing magical happened.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:23:03 2009 No.2879018 >>2879013 Damn right.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:23:03 2009 No.2879019 >>2879015 Except they show "Beatrice" already.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:24:03 2009 No.2879023 >>2879012 I haven't been in /a/ for 2 years now.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:27:03 2009 No.2879033 >>2879013 I like everyone being a chubby semi-dwarf

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:31:03 2009 No.2879050 >>2879006 I didn't like the way he pointed too

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:37:03 2009 No.2879071 >>2879019 Not right, not right at all

>>	Milfeulle is my Waifu !iS.Yuri/S. Thu Jul 2 00:37:03 2009 No.2879073 >>2879050 Wrong arm too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:38:03 2009 No.2879077 You guys like to complain about the most mundane shit

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:40:03 2009 No.2879086

>>2879010
Except Ryuukishi did mention in his comments about that anime that fans will be "surprised". I'm guessing this is what the "surprise" is. So obviously, if Ryuukishi doesn't have a problem with it, I don't know why you guys are BAWWW over some silhouette who may or may not even be Beato.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:42:03 2009 No.2879093 >>2879015 Orly? What about Kanon and the boiler room? Golden butterflies? oh yeah, Kanon was hallucinating lulz.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:42:03 2009 No.2879094 >>2879077 Yes

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:43:03 2009 No.2879098

>>2878991
It would have been better not to have shown a silhouette at all, it would've kept it more mysterious. Beatrice didn't show up in full figure form until the end, only certain people could see her, but here they have the audience be able to see someone as Beatrice right away.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:43:03 2009 No.2879102 >>2879077 >/jp/

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:46:03 2009 No.2879115 File: 31 KB, 500x306, StarWarsEpisodeIII_1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2879086 Fans not liking what the creator does? No way that can happen right?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:46:03 2009 No.2879116 >>2879093 Wow, you're not very good at this Umineko thing, are you?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:47:03 2009 No.2879119 >>2878784 It already looks like the perfect candidate for a troll-face shoop.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 02:04:03 2009 No.2879407 Why are all the tits so huge in Umineko. Ass nee-chans are going to be so big their faces won't be seen.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 03:52:03 2009 No.2879835 >>2879086 What are you talking about? Ryuukishi said "you will be surprised at how seiyuus are awesome."

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 04:55:03 2009 No.2880081 >>2878715 That's what Beatrice wants you to think. Take nothing involving her at face value.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 04:58:03 2009 No.2880089 >>2878839 Stupid japan took the ch route on the letter c, don't they know c also makes an s sound

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 05:07:03 2009 No.2880121 >>2880089 That's how Beatrice is pronounced in the original Divine Comedy. Idiot.

>>	(″･ิ_･ิ)っ-̾ Thu Jul 2 05:07:03 2009 No.2880122 I'm going to continue to completely avoid the anime.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 05:08:03 2009 No.2880127 >>2880089 http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Beatrice

>>	(″･ิ_･ิ)っ-̾ Thu Jul 2 05:09:03 2009 No.2880131 File: 65 KB, 444x567, kinzo_and_beato.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2880089

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 05:12:03 2009 No.2880134 >>2880131 >>2880127 >>2880121 you all fail at humor, seriously stop taking every fucking post seriously.

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 05:14:03 2009 No.2880138

I'm glad that I read the VN before watching this episode, because otherwise I really wouldn't know why I should give a damn about these characters or what happened to them. Seriously, the first chapters of the first episode of Umineko showed us who these people were, their relationships with each other, and gave them time to develop as characters. So we don't really get to see the friendship between Nanjo and Kinzo, and only get the slightest insight into Kinzo's motivation. Cutting down that scene also removed the first chess metaphor in the story. By removing the banter between the cousins, and between the adults and each other, Studio DEEN has made the characters seem less human, and thus removed any real incentive that the viewer might have for not wanting to see them die.

Maybe DEEN wanted to quickly advance the plot along, get past the exposition and to the "good parts" of the story. But it was only after getting to know the characters in the first episode that we really cared what happened to them. And it was the realitively easy-going banter and slice-of-life-ishness of the earlier parts of the first episode that made the sudden onset of murder and violence seem so shocking. If I had watched the anime without reading the VN at this point all I could think to say would be "Who the hell are all these people, and why should I care?"

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 05:14:03 2009 No.2880140 >>2879086 The "surprise" is that it's complete and utter shit, the worst adaptation of a good VN since Tsukihime. Oh wait, this isn't a surprise at all, fuckwits.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 05:15:03 2009 No.2880142 File: 107 KB, 755x285, lolitrollyou.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2880134

>>	(″･ิ_･ิ)っ-̾ Thu Jul 2 05:16:03 2009 No.2880146 >>2880134 Are you going to pretend that you were joking now that you've realised you were wrong? Why? You're posting anonymously anyway, it's not like you have some sort of internet ego to protect.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 05:16:03 2009 No.2880149 >>2880134 Dunno, he sounded like a genuine idiot to me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 05:17:03 2009 No.2880154 >>2880140 Huh? You're making a judgment after... one episode? Gee

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 05:17:03 2009 No.2880156 >>2880140 You're being too mean to Tsukihime.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 05:18:03 2009 No.2880159 >>2880154 Well, you do have a point. It could get worse.

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 05:19:03 2009 No.2880162

>>2878784
Well, admittedly with how much Maria insisted she met Beatrice in the garden I kinda figured it happened like that. Of course, just showing her on screen doesn mean she isn't a delusion of Maria or another person dressed as her. Notice how the shadow conceals most of the face.

By the way, is there a repository or something about Umineko theories? I would like to go over ep 1 theories again but can't find them on the archive, names and keywords were repeated too much for each umineko thread.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 05:19:03 2009 No.2880165 >>2880154 People were already saying it was shit before it even aired. If anything, 'after just 1 episode' is moving forward.

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 05:23:03 2009 No.2880181

>>2880146
the fact that everybody took the time to go and lookup articles on wikipedia and the history of the name Beatrice is proof enough that people in /jp/ take everything too seriously. Beato Beatrice, Beata Beatrix, doesn't take an art or lit major to know the origins of the name, but everyone on /jp/ will pounce right away to show how "smart" they are by trying to correct an obvious troll post. Like the idiots that come in here trying to figure out why the kana for the name uses チ and everyone jumps in to prove how smart they are. /jp/ you're getting too serious, lighten the fuck up or you're going to end up worse than /a/.

>>	(″･ิ_･ิ)っ-̾ Thu Jul 2 05:24:03 2009 No.2880184 >>2880181 いい話、兄貴。

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 05:24:03 2009 No.2880186 >>2880181 >/jp/ you're getting too serious, lighten the fuck up or you're going to end up worse than /a/. /a/ is shit because it completely forgot how to seriously discuss anything, so they just troll all day. Get the fuck out.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 05:25:03 2009 No.2880187 >>2880181 We just don't like uninformed idiots like you in here

>>	Sakura !!sCKns1iPkwx Thu Jul 2 05:27:03 2009 No.2880190 I thought the first episode was ok.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 05:27:03 2009 No.2880192 Lol'd that Hideyoshi looks more greedy than the real siblings so far,but decent adaptation is decent so far.I'll reserve my full judgement until the 1st Episode is over

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 05:27:03 2009 No.2880193 >>2880181 If it was a troll post, getting people angry over it would have been your objective. The fact that you're getting pissy about it shows that it wasn't.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 05:27:03 2009 No.2880194 >>2880187 >>2880186 >>2880184 proven my point

>>	(″･ิ_･ิ)っ-̾ Thu Jul 2 05:28:03 2009 No.2880196 >>2880194 いい文法、兄貴。

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 05:29:03 2009 No.2880200 >>2880194 Yep, proves that you're an idiot all right.

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 05:36:03 2009 No.2880224

>>2880138
The intro to the VN was so shitty I didn't give a fuck about any of the characters then, either, except in the VN it dragged out for four hours. Ep felt a little rushed but it got the job done, I'll trade a couple of moments I liked to kick out the rest of that pointless crap.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 05:45:03 2009 No.2880254 File: 39 KB, 704x396, snapshot20090702114224.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Mind = blown I somehow didn't notice Genji's surname until now.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 05:47:03 2009 No.2880266 >>2880254 You must not have read Episode 4, then.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 06:15:03 2009 No.2880357 secchan was a good choice for kanon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 06:17:03 2009 No.2880368 So everybody gets killed in the anime without even being introduced properly. Whoop-dee-doo, who died again?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 06:21:03 2009 No.2880386 >>2880368 After the first arc the death's aren't supposed to be impacting, it's getting them to stop that is. There will probably be several flashbacks that will reflect on the characters themselves

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 06:23:03 2009 No.2880395 >>2880368 funny, I felt the same way when I played the VN even after 2-3 hours of shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 06:24:03 2009 No.2880400 I think the anime was made for people who're too dumb to comprehend the VN and focus more on "George is sooooo sexy" or "Goddamn huge tits!"

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 06:32:03 2009 No.2880437

I can live with an omited prologue since it comes only once even though some other scenes lost their impact BUT they have also omited many important scenes in episode 1. Scene and mood transitions are done instant and pretty much destroys the air. They did this better in higurashi

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 06:35:03 2009 No.2880455 >>2880400 I think you are a fucking idiot.

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 06:40:03 2009 No.2880475

No shit, a 26 episode anime (8 hours of content) is going to be different from a 40 hour visual novel. This is never going to be a replacement for the VN, but they did an excellent job keeping the narrative interesting and still covering every important scene.

>>	Lambda !DELTATiWVA Thu Jul 2 06:52:03 2009 No.2880518 >>2878784 I say it's Kinzo's corpse's small bombs.

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 06:53:03 2009 No.2880523

>>2880475

>they did an excellent job keeping the narrative interesting and still covering every important scene.

No they didn't. This entire episode just felt like one long "Previously on Umineko"-style summary. While it wasn't completely awful it certainly did fail at introducing the characters in any depth. DEEN have more than enough room to do that and still tell the story of the VNs, unless they're planning on doing what they did with Higurashi and cramming a ridiculous amount of content into a single season. It's not like they have to go from one extreme of long drawn out introductions to the other of no introduction at all.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 06:56:03 2009 No.2880532 >>2880523 im guessing they are using ep1 as a sacrifice to get viewers interested and then go indepth in later episodes

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 06:57:03 2009 No.2880540 File: 832 B, 20x20, uminekoculprit.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 06:58:03 2009 No.2880544 I liked it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 06:58:03 2009 No.2880547 subs where

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 07:00:03 2009 No.2880556 >>2880547 /rs/

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 07:02:03 2009 No.2880564

>>2880523
Can you name another show that did a better job of introducing this many characters with "depth"? I don't have much faith in DEEN, but I do know that since Ryukishi07 used an entire episode for his introduction, then we should give DEEN until at least the Tea Party.

And the other benefit of this anime which I haven't seen mentioned as of yet is that the necessity of content cuts aids us as to which scenes are most important in solving the mystery. Example: Natsuhi confronting Eva. Their exchange was conserved nearly verbatim, which likely means that it has more significance than something like Battler helping Kanon with the wheelbarrow, for example.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 07:02:03 2009 No.2880566 File: 35 KB, 316x374, batoraman.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] EP5 spoilers from the leak This is the real Battler

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 07:06:03 2009 No.2880583 >>2880564 >which likely means that it has more significance than something like Battler helping Kanon with the wheelbarrow But that scene was the basis of my slashfic

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 07:07:03 2009 No.2880591 >>2879007 A large portion of the opening is devoted to Shannon's moral dilemma of breaking the mirror. Of course they're doing George x Shannon, just not immediately.

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 07:11:03 2009 No.2880605

>>2880564

>I don't have much faith in DEEN, but I do know that since Ryukishi07 used an entire episode for his introduction, then we should give DEEN until at least the Tea Party.

I'm not saying that the whole show is ruined. Of course it is possible that from here on the show will get better, that all of the cut character development will be moved to later episodes (though this would require a bit of plot reworking). Judging the first episode by itself it was pretty mediocre, though of course the next episodes could be better. Hopefully with Ryukishi07's close involvement with will be the case. But things aren't really looking up from here.

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 07:12:03 2009 No.2880610

>>2880591
>Of course they're doing George x Shannon, just not immediately.

Yes they are, episode may not have shown it directly but did anybody else find it odd that neither Shannon nor George was in on the conversation at the beach, it was just Battler, Maria and Jessica. That's because the two of them were out walking.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 07:20:57 2009 No.2880648 Smart Internet users hang at: http://www.EnonTalk.com/ (Enon = Anon) Are YOU smart? > mflfhclggbnphhhmvggnjdhfhmsvnybfyggpsh

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 07:21:03 2009 No.2880655

>>2880605
>that all of the cut character development will be moved to later episodes

I'm not sure what you mean, given that there wasn't any significant character development by this point in the VN. Name an instance of significant character development which took place before the dinner that was omitted in this adaptation.

>the first episode by itself it was pretty mediocre
Just like the original.

>But things aren't really looking up from here.
Let me guess, you're one of those sorts of people who thought the LoTR movies were Uwe-Boll quality because they left out Tom Bombadil, right?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 07:39:03 2009 No.2880755 where is the save folder for Umineko on vista?

>>	Sakura !!sCKns1iPkwx Thu Jul 2 07:42:03 2009 No.2880769 >>2880755 Compute>C(or whatever)>Program Data>Umineko4

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 07:42:57 2009 No.2880774 Smart Internet users hang at: http://www.EnonTalk.com/ (Enon = Anon) Are YOU smart? > gsghghhddbng

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 07:50:03 2009 No.2880814

People seem to forget that you are supposed to get hooked by the first episode of a series. VN Umineko Episode 1 was about 8 hours of content, which left plenty of time to do both drawn out character introductions and hooking the reader with the plot.

The first episode of the anime on the other hand is only 20 minutes of story. If they had spent all the time animating the scenes of the VN we wouldn't reach a single interesting scene. Which means that anime only viewers wouldn't even bother waiting one week to see if anything interesting happened but dropping it instead. For this reason I expected the anime to rush all the way to the first Twilight by episode one, which would have been horribly rushed but neccessary to hook the viewers.

But I'm positivley suprised that they didn't go that far, and gave every important scene enough time to keep the original story unchanged. The pacing was brisk, but was intruiging none the less. The feeling of being overwhelmed by the plot and character relations was what made anime Higurashi interesting to me despite butchering the original VNs at times.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 07:52:03 2009 No.2880832 >>2880814 Come to think of it a series of movies a la KnK would have been an awesome format for Umineko. Still happy with what we got though.

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 07:58:03 2009 No.2880876

>>2880655
>Let me guess, you're one of those sorts of people who thought the LoTR movies were Uwe-Boll quality because they left out Tom Bombadil, right?

This is the best comparison. I know plenty of these people who were incredibly pissed about this and went on to watch the movies dozens of times anyway.

You guys are all tsundere for the anime.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 08:04:03 2009 No.2880928 >>2880814 >>2880876 Agreed.

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 08:12:03 2009 No.2880975

>>2880655
Still waiting for an answer on this question.

>Name an instance of significant character development which took place before the dinner that was omitted in this adaptation.

If you're going to make a claim that character development was cut, at least have some evidence.

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 08:40:03 2009 No.2881149

>>2880975

>If you're going to make a claim that character development was cut, at least have some evidence.

At this point I think that you're a troll who hasn't actually read Umineko and who would dismiss any evidence of character development as "insignificant". But whatever.

Most of Kinzo's and Nanjo's conversation establishing their friendship, as well as showing Kinzo's contempt for his children. George and Battler's banter establishing their friendly and mostly non-filial relationship to each other. George's calming influence on Maria establishing his role as a rational peacemaker among the cousins (pretty much anything to do with George was cut out). Battler's banter with Kyrie establishing their relationship to one another. Battler's animosity toward his dad. Battler's groping Jessica and Shannon was kept, but not the remorse he felt when Shannon didn't resist. Battler helping Kanon with the wheelbarrow was cut. So was Gohda's setting Shanon up to take the blame for being late with the tea, and Natsuhi scolding her. These scenes all helped to flesh out the characters, to give them personality and establish their relationships to each other. And they were cut.

inb4 none of those scenes were important, etc.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 08:45:03 2009 No.2881172 >>2881149 I sense an incoming troll card in response to this

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 08:49:03 2009 No.2881202

All I'm worried about is that this becomes another Higurashi. By that I mean, it loses everything that makes it good after the first season or so and becomes some entirely different horrible garbage that only the most die-hard of fans even attempt to defend anymore.

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 08:53:03 2009 No.2881217

>>2881149
Protip: these are introductions, not developments and given the scope of what can be accomplished in twenty minutes, most of these could be cut because a later scene conveys the same message.

Case by case:
>Most of Kinzo's and Nanjo's conversation establishing their friendship

More of the prologue would have been nice, but at that pace, they would require 1-2 more episodes to finish Ep 1. Besides, the most important parts of that scene (Kinzo's remaining lifespan + the Witch) were maintained.

>showing Kinzo's contempt for his children

His speech to Krauss demonstrates this eminently.

>George and Battler's banter establishing their friendly and mostly non-filial relationship to each other.

There's plenty of this in the story.

>George's calming influence on Maria establishing his role as a rational peacemaker among the cousins

It was foreshadowed by his involvement with the rose and doubtless will be explored later when the serious events actually begin unfolding.

>(pretty much anything to do with George was cut out)

That's because the next episode is going to give him/Shannon center stage.

>Battler's banter with Kyrie establishing their relationship to one another. Battler's animosity toward his dad.

The talk he has with Kyrie after dinner can fulfill both of these conditions with no problems.

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:01:03 2009 No.2881248

>>2881217
>Battler's groping Jessica and Shannon was kept, but not the remorse he felt when Shannon didn't resist.

This is an important aspect of his character, why? Does this ever influence later events? Do we often see this side of Battler compared to the "slice off your cow tits and make me a sandwich Breast Sommelier" Battler?

>Battler helping Kanon with the wheelbarrow was cut.

This indicates that the scene isn't essential to solving the mystery and is likely a red herring.

>So was Gohda's setting Shanon up to take the blame for being late with the tea, and Natsuhi scolding her.

I liked this scene because it messed with the "incompetent, but cute maid" cliche; she's actually quite good at her job, but makes mistakes under pressure. That said, episode 2 features a similar incident, but involving George (the character with whom she receives most of her development) which means they most likely will introduce this aspect there.

>These scenes all helped to flesh out the characters, to give them personality and establish their relationships to each other. And they were cut.

If you've been given a deadline of five episodes to finish Ep.1, you can't afford to spend screentime on superfluous events or on plotlines which are explored in later aspects of the story. Wait till the tea party before passing judgement.

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:01:03 2009 No.2881251

>>2881217

>given the scope of what can be accomplished in twenty minutes, most of these could be cut because a later scene conveys the same message.

Now if Studio DEEN actually goes and adds those scenes in later then everything will be just fine. That would require some reworking of the plot but with Ryukishi07 being heavily involved in the production there's a chance that everything will work out alright. But now we're talking about the potential for future episodes. Maybe DEEN wanted to postpone the introductions and get right into the plot to get new viewers hooked. But just going by the first episode the characterization was sparse.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:09:30 2009 No.2881280 Newfag question here. Where might I find the VN? RS only has the manga, the anime, and the bgm to the AN and my Google-fu is weak.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:11:03 2009 No.2881288 Newfag question here. Where might I find the VN? /rs/ only has the BGM to the VN, the anime, and the manga.

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:11:03 2009 No.2881292

>>2881248

>Wait till the tea party before passing judgement.

Who's passing judgement? We're talking about the first episode and how the anime is unfolding so far, not how it's going to unfold. Noone is saying that the anime is "ZOMG RUINED FOREVER" because some scenes were cut out or switched around. Just that right now things seem rushed with regard to the plot and characters.

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:12:03 2009 No.2881296

>>2881251
>But just going by the first episode the characterization was sparse.

This is true for everything, and doubly so when you have so many characters.

And you're really overestimating the amount of "reworking" that needs to be done - Umineko has enough repetition (to the point of people complaining about it) that DEEN can omit one event and use another one already in the story because it fulfills the same narrative intent.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:14:03 2009 No.2881305 >>2881288 http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=67105

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:17:03 2009 No.2881312 >>2881292 >Noone is saying that the anime is "ZOMG RUINED FOREVER" Are you sure? Definitely saw that as an actual response in one of the other threads, along with a host of "THERE IS NO UMINEKO ANIME XD."

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:18:03 2009 No.2881320 >>2881305 Before I start this up... is this english patched already or does it some how magically come in english like Yume Miru Kusuri? And if it isn't patched where can I download that?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:23:03 2009 No.2881349 >>2881292 >Who's passing judgement? >animu is shit >There is no Umineko anime > Sounds like the anime fucked up big time on the first episode already >I'm going to continue to completely avoid the anime. From this very thread.

>>	Anonymous of Austria Thu Jul 2 09:28:03 2009 No.2881370 >>2881320 http://witch-hunt.com/

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:30:03 2009 No.2881383 >>2881349 Oh shit you're right, lots of posters on /jp/ are irrational retards. I stand corrected.

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Thu Jul 2 09:34:03 2009 No.2881402 >>2881383 Are you saying that people here don't know what the fuck they're talking about? Coulda fooled me!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:36:03 2009 No.2881413 so am I the only one who has some problems with the voice acting? I'm fine with the QUALITY but....

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:41:03 2009 No.2881430

>>2881413
I do, but it stems mainly for the gap between the voices I imagined while playing and these ones. Kinzo for example had a fucking badass voice in my mind, not the average blabbering oldman voice he has now. I'll probably just have to get used to it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:47:03 2009 No.2881454 >>2881413 >>2881430 I needed a few moments to adjust to some of the voices but all in all they did an outstanding job. Takano-Eva is absolutley perfect.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:48:03 2009 No.2881458 >>2881430 >Kinzo for example had a fucking badass voice in my mind, not the average blabbering oldman voice he has now. I always pictured Kinzo as talking like Orson Welles ala Citizen Kane. But a Keel Lorentz is fine too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:48:03 2009 No.2881463 >>2881413 It's weird because Kanon's anime voice is exactly the voice I pictured for Kyrie.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:49:03 2009 No.2881466 >>2881454 Eva was good, I agree. The voice that'll be make-or-break will be Beatrice's though. I want to hear a motherfucking decent cacklecacklecackle

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:50:03 2009 No.2881472 >>2881430 well I thought of Nanjo to have a more of a.... gentle voice

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:51:03 2009 No.2881483 >they took out the mystery of whether Beatrice exists She doesn't, for witches don't.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:52:03 2009 No.2881487 >>2881458 My inspiration was Edward James Olmos (Adama from BSG, if you watched it). That sort of quiet, almost-whispered cold voice ready to explode in a fucking boom.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:58:03 2009 No.2881505 >>2881466 Does she have the same VA s the one in the Drama CDs? And if yes could someone link a sample on youtube or something?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 10:00:03 2009 No.2881511 I wish whoever sang the ED would do Kinzo's voice. That owned so hard.

>>	Anonymous of Austria Thu Jul 2 10:07:03 2009 No.2881542 >>2881505 Beatrice is not in the Drama CD. The one you mean is fanmade.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 10:09:03 2009 No.2881550 So, what, would most of you prefer to see the dragged out intro animated over the actual interesting parts of episode 1? That's sure what it seems like.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 10:11:03 2009 No.2881554 >>2881288 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7RE8PTSP http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SGUPC5SD http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7NO355AO

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 10:17:03 2009 No.2881576 >>2881550 The very first scene of the anime should have been the 1st Twilight, right?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 10:18:03 2009 No.2881585 >>2881576 Yes, that's exactly what I meant.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 10:24:03 2009 No.2881610 -Never Happened etc -Battler wasn't there so never happened again -In the manga Beatrice appears like that too Stop complaining is just the first chapter

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 10:25:03 2009 No.2881615 >>2881550 i would like to see it dragged out and include parts that are left out already. 50 episodes i don't mind if it has everything included

Anonymous of Austria Thu Jul 2 10:35:03 2009 No.2881653

>>2881550
/jp/ likes to drink tea and take it easy.
Of course we'd like to see them spend 2, 3 episodes on introduction alone.
Yes, we all know that if they'd do this, anime-only viewers would drop Umineko by the end op the first episode.

You can't make everyone happy.
At least we got part of the introduction as DRAMA CD.

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 10:53:03 2009 No.2881711

One thing I did not like was how Rosa was depicted as a bitch from the time of introduction. She was supposed to give the kindhearted impression out of all the parents at first.

And yeah a lot of interaction was cut, the problem however is they did it on the first episode, changing the first impressions drastically.

However it was mostly stuff I can see Ryukishi07 removing if he had that kind of limits though.

Also, Beatrice. She shouldn't have been introduced. That garden scene destroyed the feel of mystery and will weaken the reception of Battler's theories.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 10:58:03 2009 No.2881735 >>2881653 I will still watch the anime, I know it will not be as great as the VN, but that doesn't matter because i will still enjoy it.

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 11:01:03 2009 No.2881749

>>2881653
I really can't see how anime-only viewers would be happy with this episode. It was all rushed and probably confusing as fucking hell to somebody who hasn't read it already. It was confusing to me, they just jumped around from scene to scene and you can barely get any sense.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 11:02:03 2009 No.2881758 >>2881653 >>2881749 Do anime-only viewers even exist in Japan?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 11:11:03 2009 No.2881808 >>2881711 >the problem however is they did it on the first episode You're not supposed to start boring the viewers on a first episode. If they would have taken it as slow as the novel they wouldn't even have been on the island at the end.

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 11:14:03 2009 No.2881820

There is a point to having adaptions that are not carbon copies of each other, the developers too would no doubt be supportive of minor differences that still maintain the canon etc, of the series.

It maintains interest in the original, why would someone who became a fan through the anime go on to play the game if every facet of the game was explored through the anime? Well maybe some hardcore fans would. Anime is to VN's is what film is to books. They want the people who are interested in getting the full story to go out and buy the game and play it and fill in w/e gaps were left.

There are more reasons but I know that it'd be tl;dr.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 11:16:03 2009 No.2881833 I enjoyed the first episode of Phantom but did not enjoy the first episode of Umineko.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 12:16:03 2009 No.2882093 >>2881808 How many anime episodes do you think the whole thing would take? Not that I woud mind an extremely long mystery animu.

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 12:30:03 2009 No.2882155
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I wasn't raging as hard as I thought I would be, so it was somewhat of a success in that regard. I'm just watching for the animation of my favorite scenes. Those who are following the animu will probably go read the novel inbetween episodes anyways.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 13:23:03 2009 No.2882421 File: 905 KB, 1000x1000, 4976474.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Goldsmith ending is now playing in your head.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 13:31:03 2009 No.2882453 Why is it that the anime version always has to be dumbed down for the stupider majority

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 13:33:03 2009 No.2882462 File: 23 KB, 450x450, 1241290122913.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2882453 Because they're stupid, of course

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 13:33:03 2009 No.2882463 >>2882453 Time restraints

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 13:33:03 2009 No.2882465 >>2882453 Because 20-minute episode =/= a couple of hours of reading.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 17:23:03 2009 No.2883582 >>2882421 YAMI WO KIRISAKU OH DESIRE

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 17:23:03 2009 No.2883585 >>2883582 Fuck yeah

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 17:55:03 2009 No.2883766 File: 31 KB, 646x505, Scrn.0013 17.55.03.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What pills are they using on the kids?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 17:58:03 2009 No.2883779 >>2883766 When was this?

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Thu Jul 2 18:04:03 2009 No.2883816 >>2878715 I forgot how much of a giant bitch Eva is in appearance. Having Miki Itou as the seiyuu just drives it home so much. Fuck her, she can't do that to my Natsuhi.

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 18:10:03 2009 No.2883851

It makes sense for them to show someone who looks like Beatrice in the garden, since the general consensus of the game pieces in the first episode is that someone dressed up as her and gave the umbrella to Maria, since Maria isn't the type to joke.

Of course, we know better.

>>	Trollkastel !!YSTYW7Om7uL Thu Jul 2 18:13:03 2009 No.2883875 >>2883816 Natsuhi FTW, I hope the anime won't ruin her.

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 18:14:03 2009 No.2883882

Showing Beatrice was a huge mistake. Part of the suspense of Episode 1 was never seeing her in the main game.

The character art and VAs leave a lot to be desired, but at least Ono did a better job than I was expecting. I think they did a good job trimming down the narrative to a reasonable size, other than starting off with them reaching the island (the introductions weren't handled well either). It also might seem disjointed for someone who hasn't read the VN. Overall not too bad though.

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 18:17:03 2009 No.2883906

They didn't explain family relationships very well. Just watching the first episode, Hideyoshi seems to be one of the siblings, especially since he calls Krauss nii-san. Also, you can only infer George and Jessica's parentage because Jessica was on the island, and George is left by process of elimination.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 18:18:03 2009 No.2883914 stop spamming http://www.AnomTalk.com/ (Anom = Anon) jf sgfnosfhmdhsn klfj v lb jogghlogsvgfsp dgnsnvnhhnn d

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 18:19:03 2009 No.2883926 >>2883779 episode 3 "The New Witch"

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 18:27:03 2009 No.2883994 >>2882421 someone tell me from where I recognize the ending theme

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 18:29:03 2009 No.2884016 >>2883882 see >>2881610

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 18:36:03 2009 No.2884071 Beatrice and Eva sure look alike.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 18:36:03 2009 No.2884075 >>2884016 So? I wasn't talking from a "mystery vs. fantasy" perspective, it was a narrative mistake. And who cares what the manga did, it's not infallible.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 18:37:03 2009 No.2884078 >>2883994 Sound Horizon

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 18:38:03 2009 No.2884087 >>2884075 Well, blame ryukishi.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 18:52:03 2009 No.2884157 >>2883882 This.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 18:54:03 2009 No.2884172 >>2884071 That's the joke No, really

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 19:03:03 2009 No.2884213 >>2884078 is he in a theme for another anime? I haven't watched Sound Horizons works but I still recognize his voice from somewhere

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 19:04:03 2009 No.2884222 File: 20 KB, 158x183, fascinating.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2884213 >watched Sound Horizons

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 19:10:03 2009 No.2884251 >>2884213 He had a song on a recent Touhou album. Maybe you listened to that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 19:15:03 2009 No.2884275 >>2884213 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea_fAmpeZWI probably that

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 19:16:03 2009 No.2884284 >>2879010 Except there would have to be someone to give Maria an umbrella and a letter. Surely Maria didn't just make these pop out of thin air and made the whole thing up? >>2883766 Japanese Ritalin.

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