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Anonymous Wed Jul 1 19:12:42 2009 No.2877387 [Reply] [Original]

Episode 3 > Episode 2 > Episode 4 > Episode 1.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 19:13:42 2009 No.2877398 I neither respect your opinion nor agree with it

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 19:14:42 2009 No.2877408 agree with episode 3. Just swamp 4 and 2.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 19:42:42 2009 No.2877547 Episode 3 > Episode 4 > Episode 1 > Episode 2

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 19:44:42 2009 No.2877552 >>2877547 This I can agree with.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 19:45:42 2009 No.2877562 >>2877547 Episode 3 > Episode 4 > Episode 1 > Episode 2 > Episode 5 Fixed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 19:46:42 2009 No.2877577 Episode 2 > Episode 4 > Episode 3 > Episode 1 lolopinions

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 19:47:42 2009 No.2877582 Episode 1 > Episode 3 > Episode 4 > Episode 2

>>	Anonymous ‮^_^ ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !Jones4ZrPA Wed Jul 1 19:47:42 2009 No.2877584 Episode 4 > Episode 3 > Episode 1 > Episode 2 for me. Although, reading both Episodes 3 and 4 made me feel like they were the best episode ever at the time, so they should probably be equal.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 19:49:42 2009 No.2877602 Episode 2 > Episode 3 > Episode 4 > Episode 1

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 19:51:42 2009 No.2877611 Episode 4 = Episode 3 > Episode 1 > Episode 2

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 19:52:42 2009 No.2877621 4>3>2>1

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 19:53:42 2009 No.2877622 Episode 4>Episode 2>Episode 1>Episode 3

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 19:56:42 2009 No.2877640 >>2877582 This.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:00:42 2009 No.2877664 Anyone who doesn't have episode 3 at #1 is fucking stupid

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:04:42 2009 No.2877678 3 > 4 > 1 > 2

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:06:42 2009 No.2877689 >>2877387 Episode one was great from a mystery novel point of view. It is bad in a killer witches perspective.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:07:42 2009 No.2877692 >>2877664 Or someone that was spoiled.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:08:42 2009 No.2877698 Episode 3 > Episode 1 > Episode 4 > Episode 2.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:09:42 2009 No.2877708 Anyone who has episode 3 at #1 is fucking stupid

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:11:42 2009 No.2877714 Episode 4 is a bunch of nothing. For a second I thought I was being made fun of. That was until the Siesta Sisters killed everyone when going out of the well in less than 5 minutes, after that it got serious again.

>>	Anonymous ‮^_^ ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !Jones4ZrPA Wed Jul 1 20:11:42 2009 No.2877718 >>2877708 Episode 3 was great, though. The atmosphere surpassed that of 1, the new girls were moe, and the villain was superb.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:13:42 2009 No.2877735 >>2877714 >For a second I thought I was being made fun of. Explain yourself fag.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:16:42 2009 No.2877762 >>2877708 Or someone that enjoys action.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:19:42 2009 No.2877781 Episode 3 = Episode 4 = Episode 2 = Episode 1 = Shit

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:22:42 2009 No.2877800 >>2877735 Krauss firght with the goat. Siesta Sisters system failure/rebooting ... I found that kind of cute, so it was ok. Virgilia was stupid. George and Jessica's fights with the furniture. I mean they shouldn't even be able to counterattack.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:25:42 2009 No.2877820 >>2877800 >they shouldn't even be able to counterattack Never happened etc

>>	Anonymous ‮^_^ ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !Jones4ZrPA Wed Jul 1 20:25:42 2009 No.2877821 >>2877800 Somebody else who didn't really appreciate the "comic relief" bits in Episode 4! High five.

Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:36:42 2009 No.2877857

Episode 4 seemed really pointless to me. Especially Ange's parts. Nothing she did really seemed to matter until the very end. Then there was the POWER LEVELS with Krauss going DBZ, Jessica going ATATATATATATATATATATA on a demon butler, and George suddenly becoming Kim Kapwhan, it just got silly. Siesta Sisters crying to Virigilia was pretty D'AWWWWWWWWWWWWW though.

The Tea Party was when shit got real.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:37:42 2009 No.2877861 You would all like Episode 4 the best if it wasn't split into two patches. Man up, learn Japanese, and play like everyone else.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:39:42 2009 No.2877873 >>2877857 The Krauss scene was to show you that the narrative is full of shit most of the time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:41:42 2009 No.2877880 >>2877857 No wait. Drunk Beato was hot, so it gets a few more points for that.

Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:45:42 2009 No.2877898

>>2877857
Exactly how I feel. It got silly for a moment (notice that a moment in Umineko are about 2 hours).

Ange bits were kind of boring, also I got disappointed when they introduced the white magic versus black magic. I thought Umineko wasn't going to have that kind of split.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:49:42 2009 No.2877905 For every one of you that did not appreciate George's awesome scene even if it didn't happen I am disappointed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:50:42 2009 No.2877910 >>2877857 ""Beato certainly cannot win. And a miracle certainly will not occur.""

Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:50:42 2009 No.2877911

Episode 1 = Episode 2 = Episode 4 > Episode 3? I didn't like 3 much as Battler became an idiot a lot of the time he seriously forgot about chessboard and became a whinny idiot; Episode 1 and 2 at least he stayed badass most of the time. In 4 the whole family was badass.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:51:42 2009 No.2877913 For what I understood Siesta 45 ended up deaf because she didn't cover her ears. Thats the only explanation I have of her starting to talk nonsense.

Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:52:42 2009 No.2877918

>>2877898

I'm just going to assume that the "white magic" parts with Ange and Maria never happened and they just dreamed them up because they were sad, lonely children. Amakusa sniped the people attacking Ange on Rokkenjima, that's how she was saved.

In the end It's probably going to be Beatrice and Battler vs. Lambda and Bern.

>>2877905

They were just really "lol wut" moments that came out of nowhere.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:54:42 2009 No.2877927 >>2877918 Yeah, it did come out of nowhere, but goddamn. You saw those faces he made. i wonder if the animu will do them justice

Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:55:42 2009 No.2877932

>>2877913

They already explained it. Shannon used lol magic to send sort of a magic jammer through the Siestas link, causing them to reboot.

Think of it like a really high pitched frequency being transmitted through a radio and causing someone to temporarily go deaf.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:56:42 2009 No.2877934 Second half of episode 4 > Episode 3 > Episode 2 > First half of episode 4 > Episode 1

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:56:42 2009 No.2877939 >>2877927 Alright, yeah. I always kind of thought George was a boring faggot before that, but his earth shattering kicks and rape faces raised my opinion of him some, even if it never really happened.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:56:42 2009 No.2877940 >>2877911 Episode 3 got the major mindfuck in all 4 episodes. I mean I even felt bad for Beato most of the episode.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 20:57:42 2009 No.2877941 It's gonna end with multiple Bern's, Lambda's and Beato's coming from other worlds.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 21:03:42 2009 No.2877970 >>2877941 Actually, the true ending will be a higher dimension where the Gods are betting on Bernkastel and the Titans oo Lambdadelta.

Anonymous Wed Jul 1 21:06:42 2009 No.2877978

>>2877940
I didn't feel bad for anyone; I knew something wasn't right. I just knew something really fucked up was going on. Beato 'helping' I was completely shocked and didn't know what to make of it I admit but I was also sure about other motives. But what really annoyed me was Battler being a retard because of PLOT in the end when he forgot chessboard thinking I mean I made the same conclusion and 5 others before Beato even spoke.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 21:10:42 2009 No.2878008 >>2877970 Nah, Witch Maebara Keiichi will come out and beat the shit out everyone.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 21:13:42 2009 No.2878027 >>2878008 Fuck you, it's Wirch K1.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 21:14:42 2009 No.2878031 Best scene? For me Episode 4 first twilight and Gaap summoning. That or Episode 3 EVA vs Battler.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 21:16:42 2009 No.2878041 >>2878031 Stakes vs black suits was pretty awesome as well.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 21:35:42 2009 No.2878128 >>2877978 Well ... it was clear that after this episode you will notice how fucked up Beato is. I didn't even noticed about some kind of trap or anything, since she didn't do anything of this nature before.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 21:38:42 2009 No.2878141 >>2878128 But it was implied from Bernkastel's and Lambdadelta's analysis of her playing style that she would pull shit like that at any given time.

Anonymous Wed Jul 1 21:44:42 2009 No.2878168

Saying the Ange and Maria parts were pointless is idiotic. They fucking laid out the system of magic and witches to you, and their origins, right there. They pretty much explained Beatrice to you. Is it impossible for some people to process crucial information without it being accompanied by flashing red text and fake magic explosions?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 21:45:42 2009 No.2878175 >>2878168 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 21:57:42 2009 No.2878237 Who is the 'black witch' that is refered on Siesta 556 profile?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 21:59:42 2009 No.2878248 >>2878237 rosa

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:01:42 2009 No.2878257 >>2878168 >>2877932 And I though majority of /jp/ are anti-magic? Why so many believer all of the sudden?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:02:42 2009 No.2878261 >>2878237 Did you miss the part where Rosa threw one of Maria's bunnies against the wall?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:03:42 2009 No.2878266 >>2878257 You don't have to be "pro-magic" to get that understanding the mechanics and origins of Umineko's magic is critical information to understanding what's going on and the true nature of the fantasy scenes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:04:42 2009 No.2878271 >>2878248 >>2878261 Oohh ... so those are the vessels.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:05:42 2009 No.2878278 >>2878257 Suspend yourself from the narrative for a moment and think about things. Why would Ryukishi07 write all of that about Ange and ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE if he was going to blow it away with "oh yeah, delusionslol"?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:07:42 2009 No.2878290 >>2878266 >>2878278 Believing in magic mean you believe that Ange died by becoming mincemeat instead of gettting slaughter/kill by someone on Rokkenjima in 1998.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:13:42 2009 No.2878314 >>2878290 What does that have to do with anything? No one said anything about "believing in magic".

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:13:42 2009 No.2878322 >>2878290 You really place that much faith in the credits, after they lied to us all this time? I'm not saying Ange didn't die in 1998, but really.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:14:42 2009 No.2878325 >>2878290 ANGE Beatrice =/= Ushiromiya Ange in the same way that meta-Battler =/= piece Battler.

Trollkastel !!YSTYW7Om7uL Wed Jul 1 22:16:42 2009 No.2878331

"It's really not that hard to figure out if you know the first thing about narrative. The entire point of Ange's arc was to become aware of a magic that was not LOL DELUSIONS and escaping reality. Ange explicitly rejected magic and anti-mystery for that exact reason, you really think she'd turn around at the very end and go "lol nvm i love delusions"? Ange's scene on the island versus Kasumi on the Stakes was not an escape from reality, it was an empowerment. It was presented through us through a fantasy lens not because Ange was "delusional", but because she was consciously presenting that interpretation to Kasumi in order to make her point.

Ange was meant to be an admirable figure who figured out something critical about the nature of witches and magic. That's why she was able to save Battler, and that's why she was able to kick Beatrice's ass and destroy her Golden Land when Battler managed to do jack **** against Beato for four straight games. Thinking you were meant to come away from Ange's story saying "lolol Ange is ****in delusional" is, dare I say it, the real delusion.

The people who keep running to "IT'S A DELUSION!!!11" are nearly as bad as the anti-mystery concept to begin with. Battler RAGE'D, and we were meant to agree with him, because the cousins' submission to fantasy meant they stopped thinking. Writing everything off as DELUSIONS is a lazy way to convince yourself you're "winning" while doing the exact same thing. "

Trollkastel !!YSTYW7Om7uL Wed Jul 1 22:16:42 2009 No.2878334

There's WAY more to it than "lol Maria and Ange are crazy schizo girls, imaginary friends XD" This is going into EXPLAINING it all, not just feeding you more fakeness. There's waaaay more to Ange's end than her being crazy or whatever, peopel who scream "LOL DELUSION" make me rage sooooo fuckinging hard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:17:42 2009 No.2878336 But there's only one anime episode so far... I am confus

>>	Trollkastel !!YSTYW7Om7uL Wed Jul 1 22:17:42 2009 No.2878341 >>2877621 I agree here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:20:42 2009 No.2878362 >>2878322 I think the only time they lied was about Kinzo's death.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:20:42 2009 No.2878367 Basically, if you adopt magic to the extreme, you're as pathetic and fucked up as Maria. If you reject magic to the extreme, you're as pathetic and fucked up as Kasumi. Ange is the closest one to actually getting it right so far.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:21:42 2009 No.2878370 >>2878336 People here sure like to speculate. I wonder what will happen in next week's episode..

>>	Trollkastel !!YSTYW7Om7uL Wed Jul 1 22:22:42 2009 No.2878380 File: 86 KB, 505x480, ber_gamana1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2878367 Sounds agreeable. People who go "LOL NO MAGIC ANGE IS CRAZY" piss me off.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:23:42 2009 No.2878393 >>2878380 Ange is crazy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:24:42 2009 No.2878396 >>2878380 Better than "LOL NO MAGIC BUT ANGE ISN'T CRAZY"

>>	Trollkastel !!YSTYW7Om7uL Wed Jul 1 22:25:42 2009 No.2878399 File: 85 KB, 505x480, ber_fukigena1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2878393 I will wreck you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:25:42 2009 No.2878401 Most of the anti-magic theories depend on the entire cast being insane and/or blind.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:26:42 2009 No.2878405 Well, Amakusa clearly sniped auntie and her goons on the island. But what the hell was that part with Eva-with-a-shotgun ?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:26:42 2009 No.2878407 >depend on the entire cast being insane Wouldn't be the first time that happened.

>>	Trollkastel !!YSTYW7Om7uL Wed Jul 1 22:26:42 2009 No.2878408 >>2878396 ... how the fuck is that possible?

>>	Sion ‮>_< ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !Jones4ZrPA Wed Jul 1 22:27:42 2009 No.2878412 killer witches xD

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:28:42 2009 No.2878415 >>2878407 It wouldn't, but it'd be a cop out.

>>	Trollkastel !!YSTYW7Om7uL Wed Jul 1 22:28:42 2009 No.2878418 File: 84 KB, 505x478, ber_akuwaraia3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2878401 >>2878407 >>2878405

>>	Ushiromiya !IBaTTlErlE Wed Jul 1 22:29:42 2009 No.2878422 File: 121 KB, 352x480, battler-pose.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2878418 Go back to bed, Trollkastel.

Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:31:42 2009 No.2878430

>>2878405
That was just Ange coming to terms with her hatred for Eva, portrayed to us through a fantasy lens. Ange was finally able to see the "Black Witch" (read: hatred being used to cope with pain and loneliness, made into a visual metaphor as opposed to LOL ANGE IS CRAZY) in Kasumi, then in turn saw it in herself and overcame it. That's it.

>>	Trollkastel !!YSTYW7Om7uL Wed Jul 1 22:31:42 2009 No.2878437 File: 85 KB, 505x480, ber_akuwaraia2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2878422 Bed?

>>	Ushiromiya !IBaTTlErlE Wed Jul 1 22:35:42 2009 No.2878456 File: 433 KB, 640x480, battler-nervous.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2878437 Never mind. Don't worry about it. I'm outta here, screw witches.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:35:42 2009 No.2878457 >>2878456 Heh heh, you said 'screw'.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:35:42 2009 No.2878459 >>2878456 >I'm outta here to screw witches.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:36:42 2009 No.2878461 How about the bullets flying in mid-air? I don't think THAT guy is that good sniping.

Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:37:42 2009 No.2878468

Lets all recap on Ange belief.

-Maria and loli Ange good friend.
-Loli Ange join Maria Witches society which Beatrice is a member of.
-Loli Ange went emo and stop believing in magic and got kick out of the witches society.
-Sakutarou died
-Rokkenjima incident happen, everyone there died beside Eva.
-Ange is left with only Maria diary.
-Supposedly beatrice handwriting is in Maria diary.
-Ange start to believe in magic again till one day she got bullied and she dont believe in magic again.
-Eva died
-Trollkastel met with Ange and try to use her as a pawn in the game.
-Ange started to believe in magic and even summon her old "friends".
-Ange start to fight with Kasumi on the island.
-Love conquer all and it is the black witch weakness.
-Kasumi got killed by flying stakes/furnitures from narrative point of view.
-Meta Ange start destroying golden land and even summon sakutarou from the dead.
-Meta Ange turn into mincemeat.
-Ange died in the real world @ 1998 according to the credits.

>>2878334
>>2878331
Sure they aren't delusion but they are not real furniture either.
You guys saying magic exist but they aren't used in the Rokkenjima murder is as bad as "its all delusion" camp.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:38:42 2009 No.2878478 >>2878461 What exactly are you talking about? Explain the scene a little more clearly. I don't remember everything that happened in the confrontation except for everyone getting their brains blown out.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:38:42 2009 No.2878480 File: 60 KB, 704x396, snapshot20090702043620.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] When you see it...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:39:42 2009 No.2878482 >>2878461 Don't underestimate Juuza. He can hit bullets that are flying through the air at 100 yards away.

Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:40:42 2009 No.2878486

>>2878468
No one said anything about claiming magic exists, jesus christ. It's about understanding the themes and worldview of the story and using that lens to get better insight into what's happening and what Ryukishi is ultimately trying to get across.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:42:42 2009 No.2878495 >>2878486 It does exist.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:43:53 2009 No.2878502 >>2878495

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:44:42 2009 No.2878510 >>2878461 He's supposed to be some kind of bodyguard super prodigy. You never know.

Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:44:42 2009 No.2878512

>>2878468
As you can see on the '????' of Episode 4, Beatrice could counter Battler's blue with more red, but for some strange reason she didn't, maybe some kind of strategy ... or she really want to end the game as fast as possible.

Lambdadelta used red and made everything in the Tea Party look like a joke.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:44:42 2009 No.2878514 >>2878468 They aren't exactly saying magic exists, but something about that "without love you can't see it" phrase. What I can't understand is how that is any different then delusions. Maybe that is just because I don't know love.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:45:42 2009 No.2878516 >>2878495 Well fuck me, nevermind then!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:45:42 2009 No.2878519 >>2878516 Glad that's settled.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:46:42 2009 No.2878521 >>2878512 She is just acting. Make Battler sympathize with her then at the end of episode5 troll the shit out of Battler again like in episode3.

>>	Trollkastel !!YSTYW7Om7uL Wed Jul 1 22:46:42 2009 No.2878524 File: 85 KB, 505x480, ber_komarua1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2878456 I'm sorry.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:48:42 2009 No.2878527 >>2878521 Battler is incompetent, so that probably would work twice.

Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:48:42 2009 No.2878528

>>2878514
"Delusion" is different from "interpretation". I don't really give a flying fuck about whether fireball-shooting type magic is literally true or not, though it's pretty obvious at this point that it isn't. But the difference is that Ange's white magic empowers her and grants the strength to cope with pain, heal, and face reality. Maria and Beatrice's black magic *is* about "delusion", running from reality to escape pain.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:48:42 2009 No.2878529 File: 1.14 MB, 1500x1171, 1240561887846.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Black witch of love! Love color Master Spark!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:49:42 2009 No.2878535 >>2878521 Pulling the exact same thing twice in a row seems kind of unlikely. Then again, Beato is a big enough troll to do it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:50:42 2009 No.2878543 >>2878237 Umineko's Angra Mainyu.

Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:52:42 2009 No.2878549

>>2878535
It's pointed out explicitly in this episode that Battler refusing to trust because he had been trolled before directly results in Ange getting turned into hamburger. Beato's despair is real, though she is still probably pulling one over on Battler with the "one more riddle and I'll be dead" shit.

Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:54:42 2009 No.2878558

When is Battler going to start getting serious like Ange told him to.

Episode 1-3 he did nothing much but cry and fall to pieces. He started fighting back some in the Tea Party of Episode 4, but it looked like he got soft again at the end.

No wonder he gets trolled so much.

Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:54:42 2009 No.2878559

>>2878528
Still the same to me. Whether she is using her view of things to face her problems or to run away, a fantasy way of viewing things is still a delusion. Her "white magic", just means she is aware of it and using it to cope with things. But it is still a fanciful way of believing so it is a delusion .

>>	Trollkastel !!YSTYW7Om7uL Wed Jul 1 22:54:42 2009 No.2878560 >>2878549 :(

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:55:42 2009 No.2878568 >>2878558 The author needs to eat too you know.

Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:56:42 2009 No.2878582

>>2878559
Delusion means tricking yourself. How is magic that is used to give strength to face reality the same as "delusion"?

I guess you can frame it that way if that's how you personally see things, but it's pretty obvious that's not in line with the game's worldview. Again, we were given a character who characterized that type of magic as delusion too. Her name was Kasumi.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:57:42 2009 No.2878583 File: 76 KB, 704x396, UU.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:57:42 2009 No.2878586 >>2878558 Ryukishi said episode 5 would be the start of his counterattack.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:57:42 2009 No.2878587 Like someone said already. Beato just doesn't look like the true villain. She seem like she is forced into the game. It is gonna be Beato/Battler vs Trollkastel/Lambdadelta toward the end of the answer arcs.

>>	Ushiromiya !IBaTTlErlE Wed Jul 1 22:59:42 2009 No.2878597 >>2878587 Hell yeah it is. And everyone, including Ange of 1998, will get a good end. Right?

>>	Trollkastel !!YSTYW7Om7uL Wed Jul 1 23:00:42 2009 No.2878606 >>2878597 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:00:42 2009 No.2878609 OH GOD WHAT IS WRONG WITH BEATRICES NECK WHERE DID IT GO

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:00:42 2009 No.2878610 >>2878582 I dunno, Kasumi seems like she would make a pretty awesome waifu.

>>	Trollkastel !!YSTYW7Om7uL Wed Jul 1 23:01:42 2009 No.2878617 >>2878610 How so?

Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:04:42 2009 No.2878637

>>2878597

Nope. Ange of 1998 of that Kakera is already dead. ;_;

Also there is no way of everyone getting a good end. Half of the parents are fucked up and the servants are dodgy as hell. I mean some of the murders just can't happen without collaboration.

Best end that I can see happening is Battler returning to Ange of 1986.

>>	Ushiromiya !IBaTTlErlE Wed Jul 1 23:13:42 2009 No.2878665 File: 100 KB, 415x480, but_nakua2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2878637

>>	Trollkastel !!YSTYW7Om7uL Wed Jul 1 23:24:42 2009 No.2878712 File: 86 KB, 505x480, ber_fukigena1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2878637 >>2878665

Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:52:42 2009 No.2878880

>>2878582
I'm not really trying to look at the worldview; I'm merely saying that "LOL DELUSIONS" is still valid as long as they acknowledge the way Ange uses her "magic" and that more people "get it" than you seem to think. Tricking implies harm to the one being tricked, but that's not necessarily true. Just the fact that it is a fanciful way of viewing things makes it a delusion, by definition; I'm not assigning any good or bad to it. And Ryukishi07 keeps things ambiguous with the gunshot and Ange's possible death in the credits, so I don't think he is going to come down as strongly as he did with Higurashi's view of friendship.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 23:58:42 2009 No.2878912 Episode V > Episode IV > Episode VI > Episode III > Episode II > Episode I

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:40:42 2009 No.2879084

>>2878617

I mean, she's kinda cute, don't you think? She has a good figure, and she's mighty elegant in general. Just look at that beautiful kimono she wears, and the dignity and poise with which she carries herself. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I wouldn't mind sharing some tea with her every day, that's all.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:43:42 2009 No.2879097 >>2878637 Battler x Ange end confirmed

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 02:15:42 2009 No.2879456 File: 58 KB, 644x484, Kasumi being awesome.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2879084 >>tea

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 02:22:42 2009 No.2879489 I think I can put this entire thread into perspective. Any book > Umineko

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 02:24:42 2009 No.2879503 >>2879489 That's just like, your opinion, man.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 02:25:42 2009 No.2879508 >>2879489 ...The Eye of Argon.

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