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2858210 No.2858210 [Reply] [Original]

So how the hell do you beat this guy?

>> No.2858228

Shoot him until he dies, hold shift for focused movement.

>> No.2858227

Sword rain, Ea finish, iirc.

>> No.2858243

Enuma Elish? Excalibur?

Two shots of either eliminates his armada.

Gate of Babylon and Unlimited Blade Works cranked to max can slew mongrels by the thousands, too.

Gae Bolg (the real one) takes out patches, but he can just toss it over the entire army (Gungnir does that) and knock out Iskander and end the whole thing.

Gae Dearg the ground and the Reality Marble crumbles maybe.

Bellerophon can swipe through the army effortlessly.

4th Caster's slave army is infinite and would definitely win eventually.

5th Caster's High Speed Divine Language would take them out by the dozen.

There's plenty of ways to beat Ionioi Hetaroi.

>> No.2858242

with devil's proof and red text

>> No.2858245

>>2858227
If Ea can, can Excalibur do the trick?

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>>2858228
This.

Being the first hero in human history and possessing every object in the world may help too.

>> No.2858252

For people who don't know that much about Fate, who is he and what's so special about him?

>> No.2858254

>>2858210
General Anti-NP strategy: Kill him before he summons them.

Hard strategy: Since he is the one who calls them upon, focus everything in the hope you kill him or make him unstable enough so the effect goes of.

Gil Strategy: Obliterate everyone, the world will dissipate.

>> No.2858258

>>2858245

They're both super-powered attacks with tremendous range and max targets. Both would level Ionioi Hetaroi and if targeted individually would explode Iskander.

>> No.2858273

>>2858252

Alexander the Great, King of Conquerors.

Summoned as the Rider class Servant of the 4th Holy Grail War.

His two Noble Phantasms are both high power. Gordius Wheel is a strong chariot pulled by lightning-shooting bulls. Ionioi Hetaroi summons a massive army of 2000 Masterless Rider class Servants with Independent Action rank E- (30 minutes of action or so) and no Noble Phantasms. All on horses.

>> No.2858275

>>2858243
The problem is that they are not weaksauce fighters.
They are the ones who survived through countless wars, perfectly coordinated unlike Caster's mass of creatures *though infinity is a bitch) and led by a powerful guy.
And if you focus on taking them out, Rider comes after you. Anything less then Excalibur/Ea won't take out the whole mess of them fast.

Also, there is no specific target for Gae Dearg to make it dissipate.

>> No.2858299
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2858299

Can Lancelot's Adronight do a Kamehameha like Excalibur and Ea?

>> No.2858295

>>2858245
If Rider's army is his ultimate symbol as King of Conquerors and Saber's Excalibur is her ultimate symbol as King of Knights, they should be roughly equal in terms of power.

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>>2858275

The thing about Caster is that his attack JUST DOESN'T STOP.

Only a poke with Gae Dearg made the book stop summoning.

Can Rider use Gordius Wheel in combination with Ionioi Hetairoi, or will he only be on his horse?

>> No.2858304

>>2858292
Think Rider just prefers his horse.

>>2858299
Nope.

>> No.2858306

>>2858299

No. Arondight is an Anti-Unit Noble Phantasm.

>> No.2858319

>>2858304
>>2858306
So it's just a sword? What's it's rank? Anything special apart form being effective against dragons and people associated with dragons (like that's actually useful)

>> No.2858327

>>2858319
Rank: A++
Lancelot's true Noble Phantasm, which seals the other two Noble Phantasms when it is first released. While this sword is drawn, all the parameters of Lancelot rise by 1 Rank, and the success rate of saving throws is doubled.

>> No.2858333 [DELETED] 

>>2858319
It's equal in power to Excalibur, though it's only anti-unit.

>> No.2858329

>>2858319

A++.

Doubles his defensive capability and raises every stat by 1 rank.

In short, he's most lethal with this sword in hand, unless he stole Ea or some EX rank sword.

>> No.2858344

>>2858319
Arondnight is a holy sword turned demonic when Lancelot of the lake used it to slay his fellow partners to save his loved one from execution.

When used, seals his other two NPs and raises all his stats by one rank. It also doubles his saving throws and deals increased damage to dragons and dragon-related warriors. Its rank is A++

>> No.2858341 [DELETED] 

>>2858319
It's as strong as Excalibur.
A hit by it and you are fucked. And Black Knigh as 'the perfect knight' and the best weapon wielded may be the strongest straightforward fighter
And Saber has the 'karma' of a dragon. Whoops.

Also, it 'may' be able to have another effect, but a couple of Berserker's NPs are blacked out

>> No.2858359

god damnit when is someone going to make a pen and paper system for FSN?

>> No.2858358

>>2858327
>>2858329
Plus, he is the best weapon wielder of everyone presented (except Kojiroh and his swordfighting maybe).
And he is the 'Perfect Knight'.
An enhanced Berserker with a peerless sword and actual technique.
One VS one, you are fucked.

Also, Saber has the 'karma; of a dragon', concerning her abilities and powers, so the sword is Super-Effective against her

>> No.2858353

What's a "saving throw"

>> No.2858371

>>2858353
It regards how the 'stats' of the servants are presented in a 'Game' like manner for better understanding.
Remember how Servants have 'Luck' and a few hits and effect may be negated?
Saving throw regards this luck and protection.
It's how Saber escaped Gae Bolg piercing her heart.

>> No.2858384

>>2858353
Never played anything D&D related, right? Basically, a it's a chance that if shit blows right in your face, you will be left unscratched.

>> No.2858389

>>2858371
So with that doubled, and also because he's the perfect knight, Lancelot is pretty much going to dodge Gae Bolg..

>> No.2858391

I'm confused. Doesn't Gilgamesh wipe him out with Ea in Fate/Zero?

>> No.2858399

>>2858391
Enkidu+Ea rape.

>> No.2858408

>>2858389
Lancelot rolls ones a lot though, that is always a critical failure no matter how good your bonuses are.

>> No.2858412

>>2858389
Dodging completely is hard, but he may survive it. We don't know how 'good' his luck is (Information is blurred due to his masking ability)
>>2858391
Ea wipes out HALF the army in one shot, and the RM becomes unstable and dissipates. Rider dashes in, while actually surviving the rain from the Gate of Babylon. When he closes in, Gil snares him with his chain, and finally kills him. When Gil is serious and doesn't want to torture you, this is what happens.

>> No.2858418 [DELETED] 

>>2858391
Well, Gilgamesh defeats him once, but only because he was preoccupied with his king.
Actually, on their first fight, Gilgamesh throws NPs to him as usual, but he catches a few and starts using them as it they were his own. Basically, if you throw him a Caliburn, you'll receive a Excalibur in the face as compensation.

>> No.2858424

>>2858389
While we know luck plays a large factor in dodging Gae Bolg, we don't know exactly how it shifts the chances. Though with his chance of dodging doubled with his already A Luck, it's safe to say he is CAPABLE of dodging.

>> No.2858436
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>>2858412

>> No.2858443

>>2858436
Well, if we judge by Saber, he won't die almost certainly.

>> No.2858452

>>2858399
>>2858412

So what are we arguing about then if It's already been proven that he can be beaten?

>> No.2858457

>>2858243
Reality Marbles are not conventional thaumaturgy. It's the closest to true magic that you can get without discovering a new type. The world inside is reflected on the world outside, rewriting it completely. Different ruleset. No guarantee Dearg would actually work.

>> No.2858469

>>2858452
Cause a few people have not read the untranslated parts of the Novel, and Gil has the ultimate firepower compared to almost every character presented in the Nasuverse, so you look for alternatives.

>> No.2858500

>>2858457
And it's manifested by all 2000 servants within it, so it can't be stopped by stabbing one of them.

>> No.2858502

>>2858436
What's ranked C and A at the bottom?

I already know his magic resistance is E

>> No.2858509

Malaria.

>> No.2858519

>>2858500
It's sustained by them all, but you'd have to kill a good number of them before it completely fails.

>>2858509
FFFFF

>> No.2858551

>>2858502
Mad Enhancement: C

Protection of the Faeries: A

>> No.2858558

>>2858457

Of course, gravity still seems to work, so it's also equally possible that some base laws still stay in place.

>> No.2858568

>>2858558
Things which have affected your entire existence would be reflected. Everyone believes in the effect of gravity. It's written upon us from the beginning. Same with most physical laws regarding motion. An internal world would probably still reflect basic assumptions that don't interfere with what's changed.

>> No.2858580

>>2858558
It's the world of Iskander and his soldiers.
Gravity works cause that's how they fought, but suddenly you get MIDDLE ASIA DESERT PLAINS IN A FOREST.
It's more normal than Giant Gears and infinite swords I guess.
But almost anything can happen.

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