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2854741 No.2854741 [Reply] [Original]

>America was the aggressor of WW2. Pearl Harbor never happened. Japan never wanted to side with the axis. Japan never invaded China. Americans are war criminals for nuking civilians. Japan fought bravely and honorably.

>> No.2854754

>Americans are war criminals for nuking civilians.
Well, at least there's one truth.

>> No.2854780

>>2854754

>Implying the Japanese never had Unit 731, did not rape hundreds of thousands of women, and did not slaughter thousands.

>> No.2854789
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2854789

Is this supposed to phase us?
It's simply the arrogant bark of a wounded and dying animal.

The only history that matters is the history that everyone reads: that written by the victor

>> No.2854787

Isn't that from Yazukuni?

>> No.2854801

If any country deserved to be nuked it was WWII Japan.

>> No.2854802

>Greentext makes everything true

>> No.2854803
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2854803

>Roosevelt used embargoes to force resource-poor Japan into war.

Lolno. More like Japan was kicking the shit out of Asia, signed multiple pacts with aggressive Germany, and suffered embargoes as a result.

>> No.2854805

The nuke war criminal thing is dumb.

The only difference between the US nuking of Japan and the US firebombing of Germany was the number of bombs used.

>> No.2854808

>>2854780
Who gives a shit about chinks.

>> No.2854813

Before you people trip over your own lack of knowledge know that the first half of what that black sign says is more or less true.

>> No.2854816

Well, maybe if they didn't start killing hundreds of thousands in China, they wouldn't have been embargoed.

>> No.2854822

>>2854813
Notice how none of us are referring to the image at all, but instead to the OP's text

Don't trip over your own ego, tripfag.

>> No.2854827

>>2854813

>Before you people trip over your own lack of knowledge know that the first half of what that black sign says is more or less true.

America had a bad economy before WW2, how does that justify mislabeling Japan's entry into WW2? You Japs can kid yourselves all you want, but the fact remains that you were monsters during WW2 and deserved far worse then a couple of nukes.

>> No.2854838
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>>2854827
>You Japs
>implying that a GLORIOUS JAPANESE CITIZEN could stoop so low as to become a tripfag

>> No.2854840

>>2854827

It doesn't and the point of knowing history shouldn't be to justify anything.

I wonder if there is any other context on 4chan where a poster can be "accused" of being japanese.

>> No.2854842

>>2854780
Where did I ever imply that?

>> No.2854849

>>2854805
Most people consider the firebombings of Dresden and Tokyo to be horrendously atrocious acts as well.

>> No.2854847

>>2854827
Not to mention we foolishly gave them a full pardon as well. They should have been very grateful for that, we did have the option of hunting them down like the Jews hunted the Nazis, British and French treated the Germans at the end of WWI.

>> No.2854860

>>2854847

Yes America gave Japan a weak slap on the wrist for THEIR benefit.

They also defended post-war Thailand from English and French pressure to prosecute Japanese collaborators there out of the goodness of their heart, nothing machiavellian here.

>> No.2854872
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2854872

If the nukes weren't dropped and Operation Downfall was used instead, 10 million japanese were likely to starve to death before japan was conquered since Honshu was to be blockaded off from the rest of the home islands.

220,000 people was a small price to pay to save 10 million

>> No.2854885

Don't worry, just wait until Osama and Kim Jon bomb the US's ass again and then we'll see if the US will still be laughing being arrogant as they always are. Course, Hurricane Katrina is already laughing at the US so can't really top that.

>> No.2854897

If all those people hadn't been placed in extermination camps, hundreds of millions would have died. It was a small price to pay to save all those lives.

>> No.2854900

>>2854872
>some numbers I just pulled out of my ass

>> No.2854905

>>2854897
false analogy is faaaaaaaaalse

>> No.2854906

>hundreds of millions would have died
I don't see that logic

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2854908

>>2854885

>just wait until Osama and Kim Jon bomb the US's ass again

>Implying terrorists ever used anything other than vehicles to attack American soil.

>> No.2854909

>>2854900
Stop taking the Korean side of things.

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2854914

>This Thread
>Implying there are good guys and bad guys in war

>> No.2854916

>>2854900

>The submarine blockade and the United States Army Air Forces's mining operation, Operation Starvation, had effectively cut off Japan's imports. A complementary operation against Japan's railways was about to begin, isolating the cities of southern Honshū from the food grown elsewhere in the Home Islands. "Immediately after the defeat, some estimated that 10 million people were likely to starve to death," noted historian Daikichi Irokawa

>> No.2854932

>>2854916
I can quote other historians who will swear up and down that Japan was an innocent flower.

>> No.2854940

>>2854932
I can become a historian and quote myself saying you're retarded.

>> No.2854942

>>2854914implying that Japan was not objectively worse

>> No.2854944

>>2854872
'sup Kiritsugu.

>> No.2854947

>>2854932

Do those other historians include one named Daikichi Irokawa because if not what exactly is your point.

>> No.2854950

It is much more interesting do discuss WW1 because the stage was set back then and the culprits were the Britons with the asisstence of dirty French. The Russians were fucking stupid and forced by some british funded revolutionaries into war and later even overthrown

>> No.2854967
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>> No.2854990

>>2854950

WW1 is more interesting to discuss because the discourse on it has always been focused on the causes and the military battles, while in contrast the discourse on the Second World War has focused on the atrocities and the general failure of humanity.

The latter causes jingoism to dominate viewpoints which has no place in a meaningful discussion of history.

>> No.2854997

Humanity always sucked. History decided, don't bother me.

>> No.2855008

Japan was a public enemy long before we embargo'd them. Their violations of League of Nations treaties left a bad taste in the mouths of everyone.

When Japan attacked our Chinese democratic allies, that was the last straw for Roosevelt and imposed an oil embargo.

Also, the Japanese were right to invade European colonies in Asia because their European slave masters treated Asia like a piece of shit. People from places like Singapore actually greeted the Japanese as liberators. But the same could not be said of the Philipines, we were actually in the process of granting them independence when the japs came and fucked everything up. And they weren't exactly graceful when they started murdering thousands of Chinese civilians in cold blood.

So in conclusion, AMERICA, FUCK YEAR!

>> No.2855073

>>2855008

I like you so I'm not going to be sarcastic and mean about this.

The GMD (the regime officially recognised as "China" at the time) was far from democratic, hell remnants from Chongqing went on to start the drug trade in Burma and Chiang Kai-Shek was far from respectful to the non-han chinese in Taiwan when he fled there.

America was indeed "in the process" of granting independence towards the Philippines but the idea of them being benevolent guardians of democracy there flies right in the face of it's entire history in the last century.

Many places greeted the Japanese "liberators" with open arms including Indonesia, Thailand (who were officially allies of Japan) and all of Indochina but all of those places quickly came to their senses and formed some kind of resistance. The concept and practice of the Greater East-Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere was no different then any other flavor of colonial rule, the "right" solution would be for Japan to stay on Japan and for self-determination to prevail.

>> No.2855085

>>2855073
Sounds like the crap that Rush Lumbiguh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reily and Glenn Beck would say.

>> No.2855093

>>2855073
This is America you're talking about. We put the Shah in Iran simply because he was the best thing for us. If they say they're democratic, then they're democratic to us, especially when you had the communists as the antagonists.

As for the "liberators" part. Yeah, they had the idea right halfway. Kick out the Euros, but they became the very people they were kicking out. They were no better. I don't think there is a dispute here.

>> No.2855095

Uncle willie was a war hero

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpCCo4GfU04

also, why does no one talk about dresden?

>> No.2855132

>>2855085

The government that preceeded the Shah was by all definitions a democratic regime.

The only way they wronged the US was by attempting to nationalize it's resources sending the british crying over it's commerical interests there.

>> No.2855141

>>2855132
yea so democratic that the people overthrew him.

>> No.2855146

>>2855095
because no one cares about eastern Germany. Not even the Germans themselves.

>> No.2855174

>>2855141
Because democracy is basically is just a word, and people play with the term way too much, especially the Americans.

>> No.2855176

>>2855141

"The people overthrew Mossadegh"

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>> No.2855217

>>2854967
Sauce?

And history reapeats itself, remember that boys.

>> No.2855231

>>2855174
Democracy != Republic

If you eurofags knew anything about democracy, you'd know that much.

>> No.2855249
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>>2855231
Most European countries have a better democracy than the USA.
Direct vote > electors

pic preemptive

>> No.2855260

>>2855231
>implying the US is ruled by the people

>>2855249
direct vote in my europe?

>> No.2855294

democracy is shit since we let women and tax nonpaying parasites to vote

>> No.2855330

>>2855249
democracy sucks anyway. California is at this point almost a pure democracy and it's totally fucked

>> No.2855336

>>2855249
>direct vote
>europe
what?

>> No.2855350

>>2855330
Which I doubt is the fault of democracy. The ruling system is still capitalism and capitalism wants to profit from slave labour in the east and lower wages through immigration. And your democrazy has the privilege to decide on the name of the programs to sweeten the side-effects of these policies

>> No.2855352

>tax nonpaying parasites to vote
>NEET talking

HUEHUAHUEHUA

>> No.2855389

>>2855350Which I doubt is the fault of democracy.
Actually it is.

>> No.2855397

>>2854990
Despite being an American, I've always been more interested in the European conflicts of WW2.

>> No.2855406

>>2855389
No it's not, because the fags elected by the people won't do what they should. You could argue that the people shouldn't be as stupid to reelect them, but then again there is no choice left in the western "managed" democracies and the children are raised by the TINA principle

>> No.2855413

>>2854741
As a Historian, OP's picture is correct, but has large omissions which lead the historical content to be near worthless.

>> No.2855456

>>>/hr/673546
Historically accurate

>> No.2855973

>>2855406
You don't know what you're talking about. California has a referendum system which basically means the people can override the legislature by direct vote.

>> No.2855992

>>2855973
There are limits. I don't think Calfags wanted illegal immigrants flooding their state. Cal is just part of the US.

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