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2826968 No.2826968 [Reply] [Original]

I come to you today /jp/ with a rather backwards request.

I want to leave the Touhou fandom. For all intents and purposes, the Touhou fandom is at this moment the very equivalent of the Naruto fandom at the heights (depths?) of its unbelievable idiocy. Fans are alternatively elitists, roleplayers, lol randum xD, giddy memespamming idiots, or some or all of the above.
The fandom has basically fleshed out the fan view of the characters, and like the fandom, they are entirely one-dimensional. Sakuya is paddo janai xD, Alice is SOO TSUNDERE, Ran is a pedophile, Yuyuko is a glutton, and so on. It has gotten to the point where I can't even look my wife in the eyes any more without seeing this... taint.

It's even following me into my other interests. Just the other day I came across a TF2 server where half (in a 24 player server) were playing "house" with each other, roleplaying as various touhou characters.

My question, finally, is this: Where else can a soul-less dreg like myself find his kicks and waste his time? VNs? Other shmups? I look to you for guidance, /jp/.

>> No.2826979

tl;dr

>> No.2826981

Uh... Touhou?

Just don't associate with annoying bitches?

>> No.2826982

You can play touhou and not involve yourself with the fandom. But VNs and other shmups are never a bad choice, or addition.

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>>2826968
Although it is an odd request, I'd suggest going with some VNs.

But I'm sorry you feel this way. Such is the fate of an open-ended series like Touhou, that all the idiots would gobble up anything that amuses them.

>> No.2826989

Just await the suicide pact with /jp/ when only we shall go to Gensokyo.

>> No.2826990

I don't see why you can't still enjoy the games...

>> No.2826995

'The fandom has basically fleshed out the fan view of the characters, and like the fandom, they are entirely one-dimensional. Sakuya is paddo janai xD, Alice is SOO TSUNDERE, Ran is a pedophile, Yuyuko is a glutton, and so on. It has gotten to the point where I can't even look my wife in the eyes any more without seeing this... taint.'

You're getting this from /jp/? /jp/ doesn't give a fuck about Touhou characters outside 'OH GOD XXX IS HOT'

>> No.2826998

>>2826990
Probably because he'll be reminded of all the countless memes, especially those associated with Shikieiki, for example.

>> No.2827000

>>2826989
13 must be sacrificed. At the 9th twilight, the Golden Miko will be reborn and we'll be taken to Gensokyo.

>> No.2827003

>You're getting this from /jp/? /jp/ doesn't give a fuck about Touhou characters outside 'OH GOD XXX IS HOT'
see
>It's even following me into my other interests. Just the other day I came across a TF2 server where half (in a 24 player server) were playing "house" with each other, roleplaying as various touhou characters.

It is a cancer that follows me to the very ends of the earth. Even from the games, I'm getting the vibe that ZUN is only producing them now because they ARE popular, I suppose similar to how the Naruto series dragged (is dragging?) along way longer than it has any business doing so because of the popularity. Maybe this is colored by my hatred of the fandom. I'll still play some of the games, sure, but since I'll try to be avoiding the fandom as much as possible, I need to fill that time in.

>> No.2827004

>>2826995
Some do. It's very rare though, and they usually get flushed down very quickly.

I once made a topic about Ran that wasn't about her being pedo for Chen or SUPATENKO or anything. It went for about 20 replies.

16 of those replies were myself.

It's not really that bad though, talking to yourself about the Touhouverse is a pretty fun way to get different views about the same character.

>> No.2827005

>>2826995
Pretty much. I at least enjoy the characters in the context of the game and don't think about it much otherwise.

>> No.2827006

>>2826990
This. Seriously I just come to /jp/ when I'm bored of playing Touhou and doing the stuff I like. The fandom must not consume all your time you dedicate to it (unless you're a fan that don't play the games at all and just want to make random image dumps and post stupid things, aka Jones).

>> No.2827008

Reported

>> No.2827009

You talk about the "fandom" like it's a club where you have to attend twice a week and pay dues and carry a membership card around.

It's okay to like something even if a lot of faggots like it. Even better; it gives you the chance to be an elitist about yet another thing. I honestly don't see what your problem is here.

>> No.2827013

>>2826968

> Since Touhou is popular now, I won't look cool for saying I like it. I need something more hardcore and underground to please my ego. What? Gameplay? I didn't get into a game's fandom for something as trivial as that.

You'll be cancer to whatever fan group you join.

>> No.2827017

>>2826995
>You're getting this from /jp/? /jp/ doesn't give a fuck about Touhou characters outside 'OH GOD XXX IS HOT'
I feel very bad when they bag on me for taking Touhou too seriously.

>> No.2827018

ITT the WTC is self-important

>> No.2827019

>>2827009
>It's okay to like something even if a lot of faggots like it. Even better; it gives you the chance to be an elitist about yet another thing.
I like your attitude. I'm sick of people complaining about their omg secret club being discovered.

>> No.2827025

Enjoy the games and avoid the fandom crap, then. It's not hard.

>> No.2827026

>I want to leave the Touhou fandom
Are you stupid or something? All fandoms fucking suck, rule of the universe, deal with it. That does NOT make Touhou bad, you're just too easily influenced. Now go back to playing fucking Touhou NOW.

>> No.2827028

>>2827000
Please let this happen.

Also @ OP dreg isn't a word.

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>>2827013
Don't kid yourself, Popularity never brings good things. It's not because I want to be LOL UNDERGROUND or say "I LIKED THAT BEFORE IT WAS POPULAR" It's because the majority of people are idiots, and will only detract from any good thing by associating with it.

Don't believe me? Look no further than >>>/b/

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>>2827028
http://dictionary.reference.com/dic?q=dreg&search=search

>> No.2827039

>>2827029

>>>/mu/

>> No.2827042

>>2827025
Why not doujinshi too?

It's not very difficult to avoid the brunt of "elitists, roleplayers, lol randum xD, giddy memespamming idiots" while still enjoying the doujinshi, written material, and games.

>> No.2827045

Fandom, Popularity, all that is INDEPENDENT from the quality of something.
If you like think based on people's opinions over it, then you're fucked in this world.

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>>2826968
Your waifu will be sad.

There's really nothing stopping you from molding her to what you wish her to be in your eyes.

>> No.2827050

>>2827042
Or... any of the fan material. It doesn't require you to interact with them.

>> No.2827059

>>2827029
>>2827025
>>2827026
>>2827045
>>2827009
Pretty much all this.

>> No.2827064

>>2826995
>/jp/ doesn't give a fuck about Touhou characters outside 'OH GOD XXX IS HOT'
Take that fucking back, anonymous.

>> No.2827070

>>2827042
Because Touhou games are the opposite of Touhou doujinshi, of course!

>> No.2827074

>>2827064
Isn't that the truth?

>> No.2827079

>>2826990
He probably never played them to begin with.

>> No.2827086

>>2827074
At least not for me, so it's not all /jp/, that proves you wrong.

>> No.2827087

hey guise what touhou would you be/marry/fuck you are now trapped in gensokyo what would u do??

Ad nauseam. I'd rather enjoy fan material by myself, thanks.

>> No.2827089

>>2827079
That's ....sad.
I'm disappoint.

>> No.2827094

>>2827087
Shut up Kyon

>> No.2827095

>>2827086
I see nothing out of that around here. Image dumps, memes, kids being kids.

>> No.2827106

>>2827087
This is the evolution of the current /jp/ browser. It have already turned into a forums chat. We now have the periodical "Which is your favorite Touhou?" with 200 replies that nobody is ever going to bother reading anyway.

>> No.2827107

>>2827087
>use of slashes
Does this mean I have to be / fuck / marry the same Touhou? Confused_cirno.jpg

>> No.2827109

>>2827095
There's the occasional serious thread.
I mean, what did you actually expect? Humans not being stupid? The average is, 4chan gets a lot of people, so it tends to the average, just a small percent is worth it, so you get a small percent of good threads.

>> No.2827112

>>2827029
Friend, a community's quality is determined by the demographics of the group. The quality of anything is determined by the creator. While /b/ is a mess,.it is the makers of those posts that make it the way it is. ZUN is a competent developer and has not succumbed to catering to his growing mainstream market.

Touhou is still good because ZUN is still good. Don't blame the fans for anything.

>> No.2827114

try playing the games and ignoring the fan material

also try not asking /jp/, or any other imageboard/forum/what have you, what to do with your life; you will get better results

>> No.2827117

>>2827042
Most of the memes and characterizations the OP is complaining about were started and/or perpetuated by doujins.

>> No.2827129

>>2827000
>13 must be sacrificed. At the 9th twilight, the Golden Miko will be reborn and we'll be taken to Gensokyo.

13 sacrifices are necessary.

There are 10,000+ people on Rokken/jp/ima.

LET THE ROULETTE SPIN

>> No.2827131

Couldn't this problem be solved if you just weren't so judgmental? I'm not advocating that people should be given leniency for having shitty taste, but you have to realize that they haven't been exposed to the same things as you have, and therefore don't understand why they are so awful.

>> No.2827133

Play the games.
Read/Listen official material.
Maybe some good arranges.
Ignore Fanon/Fandom completely.
Enjoy Touhou.

>> No.2827150

>>2827117
Yes, but you can't group all Touhou doujinshi into that category.

Anyways, a lot of it didn't necessarily originate from doujinshi, but doujinshi (and /jp/) certainly beat the jokes into the ground. And into a rotten, bloody pulp.

But again, not all doujinshi is like that, and there's plenty for people with varying tastes.

On the same line, some of the jokes really aren't terrible in doujinshi given that the execution is fine and it isn't completely presented in a retarded manner. Well, PADDO was always fucking terrible in all doujins I've seen it in, but Yuyuko being a glutton isn't too bad at all when they just use it lightly, and don't force it.

>> No.2827151

"Sakuya is paddo janai xD, Alice is SOO TSUNDERE, Ran is a pedophile, Yuyuko is a glutton, and so on"

OP obviously is cherrypicking, or doesn't really follow the Touhou fandom.

>> No.2827165

I don't think it's that bad. Maybe on poolshmr but not really on /jp/. It seems most Touhou threads have the intent of trying to incite an image dump.

>> No.2827184

>>2827165
>It seems most Touhou threads have the intent of trying to incite an image dump.
...Pooshlmer is imagedumping up the ass. I'm not sure how you can even say that /jp/ compares. Also, don't forget all the /jp/ wankery of Touhou characters.

Seriously, both /jp/ and pooshlmer aren't very fun to talk to.

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2827187

It's weird, but I don't like most of the fanon interpretations, especially the Ran one. I don't know if it's just because the faggots keep repeating them or what.

She's really strikes me more as a responsible older sister/mother figure anyway. Don't you agree?

>> No.2827195

>>2827165

There's only one notable meme faggot on pooshlmer as of current.

The whole board hates him.

>> No.2827197

>>2827150
Similarly, not all Touhou fans are meme spouting faggots. Obviously the OP is saying that he doesn't want to wade through shit anymore just to find the parts of the Touhou fandom that aren't terrible. Can you really blame him?

>> No.2827200

>>2827184

Poolshmr takes touhou way too seriously. Arguments break out because of different interpretations on characters. We take it easy on /jp/ and just roll with the punches.

>> No.2827201

>>2827187
No.

>> No.2827203

>>2827184
>Seriously, both /jp/ and pooshlmer aren't very fun to talk to.
Then who is left to talk with? 'XD' Forums? YouTube community? or maybe 2ch?

>> No.2827206

>>2827184

Pooshlmer repeats itself too much with stupid fanon crap, bad fanfiction and other banality, and /jp/ repeats itself too much with tired sarcasm (LOL XD BAKA etc.)

>> No.2827210

>>2827195
see >>2827200

>> No.2827212

>>2827187
That's how I always saw it.

Acts like an older sister to Chen, responsible subordinate to Yukari that tries to do too much herself. Analytical. Overestimates her own ability enough to get into a scuffle with the miko by herself. Almost sage-like, but nowhere near as whimsical as Yukari.

>> No.2827216

>>2827203

SimulationStyle.

>> No.2827219

>>2827200
Ok what? poosh is all fanon shit.
Never seen canon there.

>> No.2827221

>>2827203

No one. All geek communities tend to be "bad". Of course 'bad' tends to be subjective so it varies from person to person. What are you looking to talk about? Score systems? Enemy formations? Character interpretation? If you know what you want, finding a community should be no problem.

>> No.2827222

>>2827200

Poolshlmr doesn't like marimite so of course they won't take it easy.

>> No.2827227

>>2827197
Luckily, it's much easier to make a bad doujinshi shut up rather than an anonymous poster.

>>2827200
I want to have both. I want to discuss Touhou. It's not impossible to have relatively serious different interpretations and just "roll with the punches". We've had it occure several times. It just happens that most of the time, /jp/ is just full of people that are completely intolerant of stepping outside canon, or people work their idea poorly and make their own ideas out to be canon.

>> No.2827240

>>2827200

> We take it easy on /jp/ and just roll with the punches.

Which /jp/ have you been posting on? It certainly isn't the one that responds to troll threads as soon as they pop up.

>> No.2827242

>>2827200
Sorry, but unbiased and all, /jp/ has had the best Touhou threads ever, canon discussion wise. They're a pain to find in the archive, but it's possible.
Poosh is mainly kids, you should know that.

>> No.2827248

>>2827240
I like alternate universe /jp/ better.

>> No.2827252

>>2827227

I don't think we stick to canon too much. We always have that aya=slut threads that degenerate to slutty aya doujins...not that I'm complaining. Our problem stems more from newfriends refusing to lurk and asking retarded ass questions that 5 min on touhou.wikia.com could answer and everyone gets pissed.

>> No.2827258

>>2827240
Oh no doubt. But it's mostly trolls trolling trolls. In other words, taking it easy.

>> No.2827260

>>2827240

That's only recently. And it seems more of trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls kinda deal. I don't think much of anyone who has spent considerable time on /jp/ really replies to that unless they are THAT bored.

>> No.2827263

>>2827200
>Arguments break out because of different interpretations on characters.
More like arguments break out because people are morons. All it takes is a simple correction if a person's interpretations goes way off canon. From there, they can just disregard canon, or revise their idea to match canon. Or if canon is fuzzy and there's no concrete proof for anything, you just simply have to accept it as is, and try to make some reasonable deductions. thing is, you won't be able to prove them wrong, but it's still fun to discuss.

I don't know why it works so well for Umineko. People present their theories, and if their theory contradicts a red truth, the red truth is brought up, and the theories may be changed. But if that red truth is vague enough to be interpreted in more than one way, and the other person's idea corresponds to their own idea of the red truth, people typically just let it slide, and we just keep discussing ideas.

Why can't Touhou be like that in /jp/. Why WHYHWYHWYHWHwyHywh

>> No.2827271

The fact that you'd decide to abandon something simply because some of the people who like it are idiots (with the presumption that they'd make you look worse than you already do) demonstrates that if anything, you're as bad as the rest of the weeaboo scenesters who got into the series because of its popularity.

>> No.2827276

>>2827263
>Why can't Touhou be like that in /jp/. Why WHYHWYHWYHWHwyHywh
Where the hell have you been?

>> No.2827277

>>2827252
Thats the main problem. As you may have noticed /jp/ isn't the only board on 4chan. /a/ and /b/ are full retarded kids that hear about Touhou and eventually post in here asking stupid questions.

>> No.2827283

>>2827263

Because Umineko theories are about plot and not characters. Touhou it's just character interpretations so it degenerates into "lol slutty yukari best yukari" kinda thing.

>> No.2827291

/jp/ is the only place that has truly discussed the Music CD's plot and characters, and for that, I'm glad.

>> No.2827298

>>2827260

But it still make for a shitty read. I know the whole KS devs and similar bullshit is just that, but when it pops up every single time certain threads appear, the end result is an unreadable shit pile. And it does get grating when one has to constantly dig through shit to get to the single nugget of gold that the posters in this thread are priding themselves on.

Both Poosh and /jp/ have their bad and good points.

>> No.2827299

>>2827276
To be fair, Touhou discussion topics rarely go as smoothly as Umineko discussion topics.

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>>2827263

It works for Umineko because there's a mystery to solve involving all the characters and it's some damn serious business with people getting killed. In that sense, Touhou isn't really "about" anything - you've just got the characters. There's nothing wrong with that, but it does lend itself to the kind of wild character interpretations you see sometimes.

Also the fact that there isn't much in the way of canon characterization

>> No.2827308

>>2827299
I know that's recently, but I've been in /jp/ since ever, And I can say we've had great discussion.

>> No.2827311

If you're all going to post without sages, can we maybe derail this thread to how /jp/ is going to get to the Gensokyo Land through bizarre murder rituals and/or why this isn't what's really happening, and it's just ZUN murdering /jp/ posters?

>> No.2827318

>>2827311
LHC, done, Next.

>> No.2827321

>>2827308
Of Touhou? Yeah, but it's rare, and for every decent Touhou topic, there are literally hundreds of terrible ones to sift through.

>> No.2827325

>>2827187
Dirty Aunty waiting patiently and chastely until Chen grows up.

>> No.2827326

>>2827298

True. But I think it shall soon come to pass. Trolls doing that will get tired of it and newfriends that think it's a meme /jp/ likes will catch on. I do think /jp/ is better though. Our Touhou threads are pretty much wildcards. It can either get into a deep discussion about characters or plot(inb4 what plot) or turn into doujin dumps and sources. Or perhaps the thread takes an entirely different direction and goes into funny roleplay mode. Who knows. But with poolshmr it's always business.

>> No.2827327

All fandoms suck. I play Touhou because I like playing it, not because I like other people who play it. Do your own doing and fuck what everyone else is doing.

If you want to kill sometime, play Touhou, other shmups, VNs anything.

More importantly out of all of this though, is that you're an attention whore.

>> No.2827333

>>2827318
What you're saying is the LHC's true purpose is to replicate a Master Spark, bringing some of Gensokyo into our world? MORE FUNDING

>> No.2827338

>>2827321
Don't expect, being /jp/ in 4chan, to have an average of good threads.
We should really get the fuck out of 4chan and turn the ghost board into /jp/.

>> No.2827350

>>2827333
In one of the physics threads there was an explanation on how that would work.

>> No.2827352

>>2827338
I prefer /jp/ to the ghost board.

>> No.2827358

>>2827352
Not THE ghost board, but killing the ghost board and turning it into an actual board, named /jp/, no archive and shit.

>> No.2827359

I just read doujins as they're released and browse pixiv/danbooru for images. /jp/'s useful to let me know when new Touhou material is out. That's pretty much it. There's really no need to associate yourself with the meme spewing crowd, whether you're playing the games themselves, or enjoying fan material.

>> No.2827363

>>2827358
And that's just because it's only board other than /jp/ that resembles /jp/.

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Umineko topics have the ultimate balance in humor, serious business, and "*is my waifu".

>> No.2827374

>>2827029
>the majority of people are idiots
This is something I read a lot and I always agree. However, each and every one of the people who post this doesn't seem to be aware that they are on the majority.

What makes you think that you're any better than anyone else from the fandom you want to separate yourself of?
If the answer is anything but 'nothing', then be aware that believing that makes you more stupid than them, Why? Simple: not only you're a retard, but a retard on denial.

tl;dr: is stupid to think that fans can detract any good thing of anything simply by associating with it.

>> No.2827377

>>2827374
I don't think I'm on the majority, fag.

>> No.2827389

>>2827326

> But with poolshmr it's always business

I'm not sure about that. I always got a more relaxed vibe from pooshlmer, excepting certain times when there's some kind of mass, board wide shitstorm or a rash of rampant board policing taking place. Sure, there's a rather strict "X goes into X thread" system going, but stuff like that also keeps the board from getting flooded with "SAUCE ON PORN????". This is especially important, since the board has no moderation.

>> No.2827396

>>2827374
Sure, the uncertainty, you'll never know.

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>>2827374

>tl;dr: is stupid to think that fans can detract any good thing of anything simply by associating with it.

lol. Actually, nvm, Sonic and Pokemon aren't good

Anywho, were you on the Weeabootique, OP?

>> No.2827409

>>2827397
Hey, Sonic was fucking awesome back in the day. Also, loltique

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Pooshlmer generally gives off a funny vibe. Like a "we're so much more mature than you" sort of feeling that's funny because if they really have to insist on that, they probably aren't. That's missing the point, though. This whole argument is getting old.

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2827415

>were you on the Weeabootique, OP?
Absolutely not. That place is a festering shithole. I play pubs, which suck, but are infinitely better. I have some self respect, you know.

>> No.2827438

>>2827415
Stop by 'The Drunken Brawl' for some play time with True /jp/ Brothers.

>> No.2827444

>>2827410

I guess they try too hard to be a Touhou board. And you get the feeling that poolshmr is just teenagers dressing up in suits and trying to be adults.

>> No.2827445

>>2827333
More like "Final" Spark.

>> No.2827454

>>2827445
Makes no sense, Final Spark has an energy higher than 7TeV.

>> No.2827461

Touhou physics thread. READY.SET.GO.

>> No.2827469

>>2827410

It's funny because /jp/ gives off the exact same vibe, only slightly more bluntly. >>2827444 is a perfect example.

>> No.2827470

I just can't call myself a Touhou fan anymore like I used to with all these roleplayers and Cirno faggots and meme spouting 15 years olds. It's unbearable. You guys need to up the elitism a bit if you don't want to turn into /a/.

>> No.2827487

>>2827461
Nah, maybe another day.

>> No.2827547

>>2827470

I don't mind the roleplay threads. They are good for a laugh once in a while...as opposed to every fucking day.

>> No.2827580

>>2827469

Haha, well, that is because /jp/ is full of socially retarded manchildren who have yet to realize that maturity does not entail calling everyone else immature as often as possible. It's something you'll have to live with.

>>2827547

Everybody on /jp/ loves to roleplay! Chances are if you leave two Anons alone they'll start roleplaying automatically, based on characters mentioned in the thread. It happens every day. Or sometimes there are VN threads in which OP writes as he goes and people play along.

4chan isn't the wisest place for such things, so I usually...don't. Mostly because the threads move too fast and people can interrupt you with silly thngs.

>> No.2827589

Admitting to roleplaying means you're a gaiafag, which means you don't belong here. You are not a cartoon character.

>> No.2827591

>>2827580
>Everybody on /jp/ loves to roleplay!

I fucking don't.

>> No.2827593

>>2827580
>Everybody on /jp/ loves to roleplay
Untrue

>> No.2827601

Roleplaying sucks, there's only the rare chance where it can become funny and bearable.

>> No.2827611

>>2827601
>>2827593
>>2827591
>>2827589

>S-stupid roleplayers! You're all playing kiddy games! It's...it's not like I think it's funny or anything, I just think it's retarded and a waste of time!

tsundere~


Anyway, make sure you mention that the next time Anons are roleplaying as Sakura and Rin.

>> No.2827617

I roleplay when I play video games. Does that count?

>> No.2827637

Less popular mediums.

Then when they become popular, you can brag about how you were there when it was good and abandon it for another niche market.

>> No.2827633

>>2827611
I for one like roleplaying, just not on the internet.

>> No.2827644

>>2827611

Well, but you're biased, aren't you, Arc?

>> No.2827647

>>2827637
see >>2827029

>> No.2827651

>>2827644

How so? I'm merely drawing on the 'Interactive VN' threads, the popularity of roleplaying Umineko(LOL RED TEXT), and of course the trip user Beatrice, whom everyone addressed as being the honest-to-god Golden Witch. Also, the games with Lambdadelta.

>> No.2827669

>>2827611
I only enjoy roleplaying Grimsokyo, as a bottom.

>> No.2827681

>>2827669

>grimsokyo

Let me guess, is that the Gensokyo where youkai will actually eat you and people are often dying in horrific ways?

Also, I would estimate that ten percent of /jp/ honestly hates roleplaying, and their vocal nature makes them seem much more than they actually are. The rest are merely trolls of the same nature as the ones who go "LOL ANIMU FAGGOTS" on a board that has absolutely nothing to with such things.

>> No.2827686

Roleplaying is fine if you can roleplay the character well. It's fun to reply to a thread like that and see how the roleplayer will react. It's not fun to see the roleplayer going OOC or something all of a sudden.

>> No.2827692

I only hate roleplaying when it's wildly stupid shit or if it's TouhouxAnonymous roleplaying, aka wildly stupid shit.

Basically all roleplaying in /jp/.

>> No.2827694

>>2827681
Good to be a minority

>> No.2827710

>>2827681
21>The princess met a girl, and I was no longer special to her
Tohonifun "Kaguya" pp22-23.

That's love.

>> No.2827722

>roleplaying
>even mildly acceptable

OP here, thread has strayed into the DANGEROUSLY CHEEZY zone.

Deletion time.

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