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2797186 No.2797186 [Reply] [Original]

I feel bad for Mokou. Sad life... she had her family humiliated by Kaguya, killed someone as a child, drank the medicine of immortality and was forced to live forever with her immortal enemy Kaguya. She was also exiled for being immortal and had to live alone for 1300 years. Sure she met Keine, her one and only friend, but eventually Keine will die (leaving Mokou heartbroken) and eventually mokou will be forced to live forever with Kaguya, the one person she hates. Looks like because she's been living so long, she lost all motivation towards everything too, living out a boring and pointless existence, while people occassionally try to kill her and snatch her organs out for themselves.
Who knew ZUN had such a dark sense of humor.... I'm starting to understand this whole "trial of guts" thing.

>> No.2797199
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Fascinating...

>> No.2797203
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>and eventually mokou will be forced to live forever with Kaguya, the one person she hates

She's just fine with that.

>> No.2797204

No one forced her to drink the immortality medicine. She gets what she deserves.

Dumb whore.

>> No.2797209

Mokou and Kaguya is an allegory for Israel and Palestine. Israel can't kill Palestine and Palestine can't kill Israel. They will live their entire existences in perpetual conflict.

>> No.2797212

>>2797204

She was a 14 year old who lived a life with no love.

She was just childishly angry.

Does that deserve an E-T-E-R-N-I-T-Y of torture?

>> No.2797218

>>2797204

NEET alert!

>> No.2797219

>>2797204
Dumb whore with awful fashion sense. She deserves to live forever in agony for those ugly as hell pants.

>> No.2797229

I thought Inuyasha was already immortal, it shouldn't matter that he was genderswapped.

>> No.2797231
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2797231

Well, think about it... While Mokou was dragged through hell living alone through all those years, living alone in cold nights, being killed constantly and whatnot, her rival Kaguya was living cozily in Eientei, surrounded by friends and had the time of her life! It's as if everyone is TRYING to make it hard for her.

>> No.2797233

>>2797229

Inuyasha is very mortal except for his full-mail plot armor.

>> No.2797238

>>2797212
Yes. Let her live her existence in eternal boredom and agony.

>> No.2797241

>>2797233

Inuyasha was the most yummiest bishie I ever had the pleasure of knowing in high school. Then I manned up to Touhou.

>> No.2797245
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ITM: Kaguya

>> No.2797248

Oh noes my father was humiliated by kaguya because she turned down his hand in marriage and gave him impossible requests!!!! Imma drink an immortality medicine and make her my eternal enemy!!!!!!

Emo bitch. That's what her father gets for letting his dick do his thinking for him.

>> No.2797252

>>2797248

She was a PMSing teenager whose father never loved her.

I think it's forgivable.

>> No.2797259

>>2797241
>>2797233
>>2797229

But Mokou is NOT like Inuyasha. Though she doesn't like talking to people and is very reticent about herself, she doesn't do it like Inuyasha does (in a tsundere way). Mokou has a very different personallity.

Oh, no..She's quiet, she has the tendancy to say the most awesomest things. She looks like she's almost amused with the assassins Kaguya sent her in Imperishable Night! "There's no turning back. It's the one way battle at 2am! So here's that trial of guts you wanted".

>> No.2797261

Imagine. Mokou being the one of the dark Gods of WH 40k's universe.

>> No.2797263

>>Who knew ZUN had such a dark sense of humor...
ITT we project our interpretations on ZUN

>> No.2797271

>>2797259
Then got bitchslapped so hard that she doesnt want to fight no more

emo bitch

>> No.2797276

>>2797252
No, it's not forgivable.

Excessive emo bullshit from a male or female is unforgivable. You buck up and move on. Your "seething" hatred is not making anything better.

>> No.2797286

>>2797271


She says she hates her immortality, but if you look at it closely, she laughs saying, implying she's enjoying it. So it would be the exact opposite.

Living alone, gone through hell and back, never being able to die... and she takes pride in it! She almost treats it like a joke! As far as I see, she's only irritated with Kaguya.

>> No.2797305

>>2797186
Yeah just imagine, eventually everything will die, the sun will wink out of existence and in the cold cold lonely darkness on a barren world you still have to put up with your hated rival.

Eventually the universe will die the heat death and only moku and kaguya would be alive in the absolute unholy cold of the by gone universe driven mad by the isolation, darkness, starvation, asphyxiation and cold.

>> No.2797309

>>2797261
Chaos powers are born of emotion. What emotion would Mokou represent, ronery?

Though birds and immortality are generally Tzeentch's domain (given immortality is a kick to Nurgle's face) and physical inclination reeks of Khorne, I can't even locate Mokou's place amongst the big four.

>> No.2797315
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ITT hime-sama fans

>> No.2797325

>>2797305
theres a goddess mentioned in one of the official books that controls the unchanging, just ask the goddess to remove immortality easy

in b4 wiki, ZUN never wrote that the effects cant be removed

>> No.2797346

>>2797325

Uh, you're misunderstanding the term "immortality". Removing immortality means you would make someone mortal. Mortal means able to die, a fate impossible for immortals. Therefore, it's impossible to take immortality away.

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>>2797346
god you're stupid

>> No.2797360

>>2797325
what official book is that?

>>2797305
Moku can generate heat in space and keep warm.

>> No.2797364

>>2797315
Hmm, looking good with short hair.

Of course, it'll probably grow back (or even 'reappear') before the day is out, since the Hourai Elixer is supposed to keep an organism in stasis for eternity, and return it to the state it was in when it was taken? Which I'd assume would include hair (or Mokou would've burnt it all off her years ago, and gone after it every time they fought since).

>> No.2797367

>>2797357
I was going to say the same thing.

Kaguya can manipulate the time line and make it so she never ever go immortality and that means mokou too never got immortality.

>> No.2797371

>>2797367
Alternativly, Keine did it (CAVED).

>> No.2797375
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2797375

Problem, Mr. Fujiwara?

>> No.2797377

>>2797367
Not really what I had in mind.

Basically what he said boils down to "she can't die because she's immortal" and that you "can't take away immortality because she would die and immortals cant die"

Well if you take away her immortality she can die because she's no longer immortal.

I won't even try to dissect his logic.

>> No.2797379

>>2797357
Immortality means it cannot die, right? That means making someone mortal would make someone able to die, right? Mortal- can die. Immortal-cannot die. There's no way to kill an immortal. That INCLUDES making them mortal.

If there's a way to kill it, it's not really immortal.

TL;DR. NO U

>> No.2797383

>>2797379
Yes.
Immortal = Can't die ; Mortal = Can die
Immortal ---> Mortal = Former Immortal Can Die Because Is Now Mortal

This is a simple concept, really.

>> No.2797384

>>2797346
it's fiction, anything goes

"However, her older sister, Princess Iwanaga, was tired of her sister's attitude, and moved to Yatsugatake. Since she had control over the unchanging, Mount Fuji lost its inextinguishable flame. This is why Mount Fuji is no longer an active volcano. And so, the Gensokyo's spiritual mountain, the Youkai Mountain, is thought of as the original form of Yatsugatake, before it was destroyed by Princess Sakuya."

>> No.2797390

>>2797379
I think you're confusing immortality with omnipotency

>> No.2797396

>>2797360
cage in lunatic something something vol.4

>> No.2797402

>>2797367
Something I just thought up:
Is it possible to know that the Hourai elixir works forever? sincer there are no test subjects or any sort of verification that it works beyond LOL YOU DIED AND CAME BACK, it could just be a fancy drink that keeps reseting you till it expires.

It'd be funny if it ran out and they killed each other simultaneously, not realizing this.

>> No.2797410

>>2797383


You're a retard. If it CAN'T die, there is NO way to kill it! That Means making them mortal is impossible because it's an opportunity to death. A fate IMPOSSIBLE to immortals. In short, if you can reverse it, it's not immortal in the first place.

>> No.2797415

>>2797377
When I said "I was going to say the same thing" I meant I was going to call him stupid.

>> No.2797428

>>2797410
>That Means making them mortal is impossible because it's an opportunity to death.
what are you on about, immortality just means they cant be killed via trauma/aging etc

changing them into something that can die does not equate killing

learn your definitions, it may help

also Remilia fatehax

>> No.2797442

>>2797410
see
>>2797390
Stop attributing your own ideals to the definition of immortality

If that held true, then neither of them can be immortals because they WERE mortals. And by your logic, if something can be made to not die it was never mortal in the first place.

>> No.2797443

>>2797428
What are you going on about? Immortality means it cannot die at all. Idiot.

>> No.2797449

>>2797410
>>Since she had control over the unchanging, Mount Fuji lost its inextinguishable flame.

She put out an inextinguishable flame. She can kill the unkillable.

>> No.2797452

>>2797428
>>2797442
He's an idiot. Let him be.

>> No.2797457

>>2797442
No you! I'm saying it's correct definition! You're all trying to warp it! Saying there's a way to kill an immortal! Immortal's CAN'T die! And just because you were once mortal, doesn't mean you can't become immortal. What if it's irreversable? Huh?

>> No.2797458

>>2797443
But they CAN be killed; They just resurrect instantly and without fail.

>> No.2797467

>>2797458

The smoke still rose. It was only the mountain that was gone.

>> No.2797470

>>2797457
>What if it's irreversable? Huh?
And what if it is? Huh?
For all you know ZUN can turn around and have Eirin create an elixir that counters immortality. Just because it hasn't happened you can't say it never will.

>> No.2797471

>>2797457
then answer this:

>Since she had control over the unchanging, Mount Fuji lost its inextinguishable flame.

maybe the reason Mokou wants to reach the goddess is to have her immortality removed

>> No.2797479

>>2797458
In context to the game, they cannot. Owned.

>> No.2797491 [SPOILER] 
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2797491

True love is forever.

>> No.2797492

>>2797457
Just shut up and think.

The argument is that immortality can be removed. Not that you can kill an immortal. There's nothing in the definition that says immortality can't be removed. Further more we have a Goddess who can specifically control thinks like this.

A god of high power can remove immortality. Fucking deal with it.

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Sometimes I like to think that many eons in the future Mokou and Kaguya are held captive in an alien zoo, the last representatives of humanity.
Oh what strange beasts we will seem.

>> No.2797532

>>2797492
That fact contradicts itself! Immortality means there is mo way to kill it! If you can reverse it, then you can kill it! But immortals cannot have it reversed because they cannot die! If it's possible to reverse it, they were never immortal in the first place!

Get it through your thick skull! Immortality means unable to die! If making something able to die- right there. ABLE to die. Immortals ARE UNABLE. Jesus Christ....

>> No.2797550

>>2797532
>!!!!!!!!!

>> No.2797551

>>2797532
How about this:
If you have absolutely bulletproof armor, then firearms cannot possibly harm you.
That is, unless you TAKE THE ARMOR OFF.

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>>2797231
>While Mokou was dragged through hell living alone through all those years, living alone in cold nights, being killed constantly and whatnot,

>>2797471
>maybe the reason Mokou wants to reach the goddess

Wait, what? Where the hell does it say this? Who's this god she's trying to contact? What's this business with Mokou being an unloved sibling who's been constantly murdered until running away to a life of loneliness?

How much of this "plot" is actually alluded to and how much of this is fanon bullshit?

>> No.2797567

>>2797551
>cannot possibly harm you


Taking it of means it's possible. Therefore, if it's absolute, it's imposible to take it off.

>> No.2797577

>>2797263
DarkZUN from Grimsokyo. He drinks beer... made of BLOOD

>> No.2797578

>>2797551


You just got owned

>> No.2797583

>>2797532
nope, you're still wrong

>If it's possible to reverse it, they were never immortal in the first place!
Thats funny because it's true, they were mortals first until they drank the elixir.

Immortality means unable to die permanently, doesn't mean it lasts forever nor does it mean it cannot ever be removed if we go by strict or lax interpretation

you see, removing immortality does not mean you can actually kill the immortal, it simply means you are now able to kill a mortal (see, not immortal) which makes perfect sense

the Hourai elixir grants both immortality (unable to die permanently) and invulnerability (instant regeneration)

get it through your thick skull

>> No.2797588

I wouldn't mind being immortal. I'm pretty sure the reason I don't do so much shit is because I don't want to die yet.

>> No.2797590

>>2797532
>If it's possible to reverse it, they were never immortal in the first place!

Actually, I have to agree with this. If you can ever die, through any set of circumstances, you were could never have been immortal.

If you are immortal, you will live forever regardless of anything.

>> No.2797600

>>2797583
You, sir, are an idiot.

>Immortality means you cannot die permanantly.

Keyword: PERMANENTLY

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Arguing about immortality again, /jp/?

I haven't seen this in a while.

>> No.2797610

>>2797583
Immortality means being birthless and deathless.

>> No.2797611

>>2797532
>>2797590
same faggot

are you the mokou roleplaying faggot on jewtube?

>> No.2797625

>>2797602
It's almost endearing to see it instead of the MokouxKaguya porn that gets posted. But arguing about it is still pretty fucking retarded.

>> No.2797627

>>2797600
only deathless actually

>> No.2797631

Immortality is a damn fantasy. STFU about it and get on with your damn lives you can't tell me you enjoy this.

>> No.2797632

>>2797611
The fuck are you talking about? Lol, looser

>> No.2797637

>>2797583
>you see, removing immortality does not mean you can actually kill the immortal, it simply means you are now able to kill a mortal

Could got have to stones occupy the same spot?

>> No.2797640

>>2797632
confirmed

have fun with your fantasy "immortality"

>> No.2797643

>>2797627
>Eternally deathless, actually.

Fix'd

>> No.2797651

>>2797643
nope, just deathless

>> No.2797667

>>2797651
dictionary.com. Look up- "immortality". It is eternal

>> No.2797677
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Stupid argument aside let's talk about Mokou and Kaguya's epic space opera.
After countless eons the two find themselves on display in an alien zoo, a mock Earthen habitat their only comfort as bizarre lifeforms slither by endlessly.
After breaking out from the zoo the two hold the alien society ransom through terror and force. After extorting a powerful warship the two set out on a Star Trek Voyager-esque journey to find time travel technology and go back in time to kill themselves in a temporal lover's suicide pact.
Ultimately succeeding after countless years the two tearfully say their goodbyes and strike down their adolescent selves, nearly ripping a massive hole in the space-time continuum which threatens all existence. Combining their powers of eternity and rebirth they bring forth a new timeline, without the two of them, and fade from existence.
Then they wake up, side by side. Thinking they had failed they are greeted by their old friends in the afterlife. TRUE END.
Yes, it is fucking retarded. But more interesting than this stupid argument.

>> No.2797687

Yes, if you are immortal you are deathless forever

Unless your immortality is removed, then you're not deathless, and therefore can die

>> No.2797692
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I wish to be immortal so I can become like Beato and troll people for all eternity.

>> No.2797705

>>2797677

Wouldn't this sort of be hell for them, though? They just GOT DONE living eternally.

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>>2797692
Tag team.

>> No.2797720

>>2797687
You just don't get it...

Immortality means it can't die. If reversing it makes it a possibility, then that's like saying killing an immortal is possibility. That contradicts itself.

>> No.2797728

>>2797720
No, that's like saying you can kill someone who was once immortal but is no longer so.

That doesn't contradict itself, enjoy your cyclical logic

>> No.2797729
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>>2797705
The whole point was to be terrible. But at least they could live forever with their friends. Not in a zoo.
>>2797715
Okay, tag team.

>> No.2797743

Can someone die by being shot? If so, they are mortal.
Can someone die by being stabbed? If so, they are mortal.
Can someone die by being targetted by a wizards death ray? If so, they are mortal.
Can someone die by taking an immortal-to-mortal potion and then being shot/stabbed/magicked? If so, they are mortal.

So, if you are IMmortal, you can NOT be killed by being shot, by being stabbed, or taking a magic potion and then being shot.

If you can be killed by taking an anti-anti-dying potion then you were never immortal.

>>2797611
This is >>2797590, I am not >>2797532. We both know that this can't actually be proven.

>> No.2797746

>>2797728
Listen you fucking retard, immortality means it's impossible.

If mortal means it's possible, then what the fuck does immortal mean?

If something can't die temporarily, then it's still mortal. Because it's temporary. If it's immortal, there is no way to reverse it.

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>>2797715
Good times.

>> No.2797761

>>2797743
Immortality just means you're immune to things that would cause death. A "anti-anti-dying potion" itself doesn't cause death. It just makes it so you're no longer immortal.

>> No.2797769

>>2797761
Retard. Immortality means it cannot die by ANY means.

>> No.2797771

>>2797761
And you just realized immortality is actually one of the oldest paradoxes

>> No.2797773

>>2797743
it's like saying an mortal that takes an anti-dying potion is still a mortal since they were never an immortal in the first place, just as a mortal can become undying the opposite can happen too, action-reaction pair

good to see all the secondaryfags are in here, read ZUN's books, one of them describes a goddess with power over immortality

>> No.2797776

>>2797769
[citation needed]

>> No.2797782

>>2797761
Immortality means the chances of death are impossible. An anti immortal potion wouldn't work. If it does, they weren't immortal because it DOES work.

>> No.2797786

>>2797769
since when did an anti-anti-dying potion kill you?

last time I checked, never

>> No.2797789

>>2797773
>good to see all the secondaryfags are in here, read ZUN's books, one of them describes a goddess with power over immortality

Are any of them even translated?

>> No.2797791

>>2797769
Immortal = cannot die by any means
Immortal != Will always be immortal.
It's very simple really, I'm not sure why you can't see this.

>> No.2797796

>>2797782
Mortality means the chances of death are possible. An immortal potion wouldn't work. If it does, they weren't mortal because it DOES work.

keep believin'

>> No.2797802

>>2797791
>Immortal = cannot die by any means

Yes. They cannot die by any means, including the means of having them become mortal.

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>>2797748
Sure was.

>> No.2797805

>>2797789
I believe they are, check the wiki

>> No.2797806

>>2797786
Last time I checked, immortals can't die by any means. If taking a potion means it's possible to kill you afterwards, then you weren't immortal in the first place.

>> No.2797812

You know, repeating the same stupid circular logic about immortality being inherently permanent doesn't make it any less false.

>> No.2797819

>>2797802
logical fallancy detected

becoming a mortal does not equate death

>> No.2797820

>>2797802
Whoa! A single one of her hips is larger than her whole upper body.

>> No.2797822

Goddamn, this thread devolved into a circular argument over semantics.

>> No.2797824

A few things.

1. Kaguya can die whenever she wants to
2. Keine isn't human, and can manipulate/consume history
3. Fuck you for making this thread
4. Fuck me for writing in point form.

>> No.2797825

>>2797806
hahahaha

no.

You're immortal and then you're not.

>> No.2797833

>>2797819
>logical fallancy detected

>becoming a mortal does not equate death

Named a single person who is a confirmed mortal who is not dead. Can you name even one?

>> No.2797835

>>2797806
does the potion kill? no

I rest my case, take a class on logic so you can stop making fallancies

>> No.2797838

Isn't the Hourai Elixir stored in the Liver, perhaps by destroying that, the effect is neutralized?

Liver = Achilles Heel

>> No.2797844

>>2797838
Does not work that way. Merely a method by which immortality can be propagated

>> No.2797846

>>2797838

"Aaah! I won't die, but that's scary!"

Quoted Mokou in IN

>> No.2797849

>>2797824
Then technically, Kaguya can also kill Mokou whenever she wants to.

God damn manipulation of eternity.

>> No.2797853

>>2797833

Me

>> No.2797855

>>2797833
FFFFFFF
Damn you and your Hempel's Raven, Anonymous, Damn you!

>> No.2797858

>>2797853
Not the one you're replying to, but since you're are alive you can't concretely prove you are mortal as well.

>> No.2797859

>>2797849
>Then technically, Kaguya can also kill Mokou whenever she wants to.

If Kaguya can kill Mokou, then Mokou is immortal.

Mokou IS an immortal.

Therefore, Kaguya can not kill Mokou.

>> No.2797862

Energy can be said to be immortal, since it cannot be created nor destroyed, but it doesn't have life. In short, the only possible outcome of becoming immortal is death itself. Theres nothing out there that have the same property as it, it's not possible to create something that cannot be destroyed.

Therefore a mortal can NEVER become immortal, and vice versa. For immortality, you either exist timelessly, or not exist at all.

Immortality is a logic fallancy into itself, stop arguing over it you idiots.

>> No.2797863

I'm immortal, untill I die.

>> No.2797866

For fuck's sake, this is starting to remind me of those inane "Sakuya is not a perfect maid" arguments.

>>2797802
Listen, this is all based on some pre-conceived notion you have of "absolute immortality". Just because something is called immortal doesn't mean it has absolutely no limitations to its immortality.

Let's take a more realistic example. Assume someone creates an automated mechanism that clones him and regularly backs up his memories. The system monitors his life signs and activates the clone with all his memories transferred to it the moment he dies.
In effect, he's made himself immortal. But that doesn't mean he can never die. If you were to sabotage the system you could still 'permanently kill' him.

This might seem very different from Touhou's version of immortality, but that's not to say that it can have no limitations either.
ZUN could very well introduce a Touhou whose power is that she can negate immortality. Or have Eirin create a "cure" for the elixir. Or any number of things.
All it comes down to how literal the term "Elixir of Immortality" is, as Eirin uses it. For all she knows it makes you absolutely immortal. But she could be wrong.

>> No.2797870

>>2797835
You are a retard. Finding a way to kill an immortal = dividion by zero

Nothing will work. Including a potion. If it worked, they can die. If they can die, they are mortal. In other words, 'immortals' who take a potion that can make it so you kill them means they were, in fact, mortal. True immortals, however, a potion won't work on them. Nothing will.

>> No.2797877

If you take away what makes you immortal, the consequences from being mortal will kill you.

>> No.2797880

>>2797866
>he made himself immortal. But that doesn't mean he can never die.

Right there, it contradicts itself. Your example is flawed like your logic.

>> No.2797882

>>2797870
No one has said that Kaguya and Mokou are "true immortals". Just that they're immortal right now.
This is all just semantics and you know it.

>> No.2797885

>>2797877
Being immortal means you CAN'T take it away!

>> No.2797887

>>2797870
who says, you? AHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.2797891

>>2797885
Why can't you? You'd still be alive. It's not an action that defies the law of immortality.

>> No.2797895

>>2797880
Okay, I give up. Hiding thread, enjoy your day.

>> No.2797896
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Just shut up, faggots. You are arguing essentially over the definition of something which is inherently paradoxical. None of you is going to gain an inch, and none of you is going to win.

Take it easy.

>> No.2797899

Throw them both into a singularity.
If time were to stop for them both then they'd be as good as dead.

Also i doubt even the hourai elixir could beat a black hole

>> No.2797903

>>2797885
the definition of immortality is not eternal immortality

that's called circular logic and it's one of the earliest proven logical fallancy

many of you still seem to believe in a magical thing called "absolutes", wouldn't be surprised if you believed in an omnipotent god too

enjoy being a retard

>> No.2797904

>>2797870
What you are saying is that an immortal cannot become mortal.
Following that logic, no mortal can become immortal.
So why are Kaguya and Mokou immortal?

>> No.2797908

>>2797896
/thread
>>2797899
Oh god please don't drag the meaning of time into this.

>> No.2797913

>>2797904
cause he's a retard trying to argue the validity of invalid logic for some random reason, just ignore, sage and go to another thread

>> No.2797921

>>2797891
Because being immortal means you can't kill them. If you can kill them, they are mortal. If they can prevent death, but the prevention can be taken away, they are mortal. If they can prevent death, and it cannot be taken away, they are immortal.

Simple logic. If it's impossible, they are immortal. If it's possible, they are mortal.

>> No.2797926

This is basically two people arguing with one guy and they're both saying the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over

>> No.2797929

>>2797921
Since when does being immortal prevent death?
To mortals, death is the end of all things.
To immortals, death is merely the end to living.

Of course, the whole fucking thing has no universal definition, so fuck you.

>> No.2797931

>>2797904
They are immortal because they cannot be mortal.

Think about it. If you locked yourself out, and the key and keyhole is on the inside, then you can't get back in. Simple logic, isn't it?

>> No.2797932

Why does Mokou know magic if she's just a human

>> No.2797934

>>2797932
Power of the Phenoix.

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>>2797926
At least it is fitting.
Two people fighting endlessly over something pointless.

>> No.2797940

>>2797931
>Simple logic, isn't it?
Cool false analogy, aniki

>> No.2797943

>>2797931
I don't see how the keyhole example even connect.

And stop using the words "simple logic" like some arrogant asshole. There's no defined logic to what you're arguing.

>> No.2797944

>>2797929
To immortals, death doesn't exist.

>> No.2797949

>>2797944
To your own definition.

>> No.2797951

>>2797449
row row fight the power

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>>2797926
One might think that this argument will continue on...

F O R E V E R

Now know the true meaning of immortality, /jp/!
Know it and despair!

>> No.2797954

It's a DEVILS PROOF

>> No.2797962

>>2797952
FFFFFFFFFF

>> No.2797964

>>2797954
You're doing it wrong.

>> No.2797965

>>2797667
The eternal cannot have been created.

>> No.2797968

Can they regenerate their hymen after sex?

>> No.2797977

>>2797952
Yeah, the meaning UNENDING life. Forever. Without death. Ever. Period.

>> No.2797978

>>2797667
Everything that's on dictionary.com is totally the definite truth of the universe.

What are you, 14?

>> No.2797983

>>2797968
Yes. No.
Maybe.
Can you repeat the question?

>> No.2797987

>>2797896
Congrats. thats the first time ive seen "porn" on the welcome page on 4chan

>> No.2798005

>>2797896

What a waste of perfectly good Momizi tits.

>> No.2798006

I don't understand your logic. If you can find a way to kill an immortal, then what the fuck do you call them if it's impossible?

>> No.2798010

>>2797987
The first I saw was furries on /tg/

>> No.2798086

Liches are immortal. You destroy them by destroying their phylacteries.
Highlanders are immortal. They can kill each other.
Face it, the term "immortal" is used in several situations just to refer to immunity to normal forms of death. There are still ways to negate the immortality.

>> No.2798500

What about the Persian immortals?

>> No.2798522

>>2798500

Do they ride Persian immortal War Elephants?

We're fucked.

>> No.2798535

>>2798086

People can use terms incorrectly?!
OH NO!

I guess I'm immortal. I can't die, unless my heart or brain stops.

>> No.2798594

Immortality is limited to the creativity of death scenarios. It's basically your OWN definition of how "immortal" you want something to be. It's the same with "impossible", until it is "possible".

I'd personally say, that Mokou and Kaguya, since they have become immortal from a potion, they would only become mortal again from a potion, otherwise they are immortal against everything I can conceive with my mind.

>> No.2798611

>>2798500
Much like the innumerable 'Spartans' high school sports teams, simply calling a group something doesn't make it so.

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>immortality
>Boredom

No way, Immortals if are bared will make some complicate thingy than will end just as they planed

Pic Related

>> No.2798794

>>2798086
The Mommy was immortal. The only way to kill "it" was to remove it's immortality by casting a spell from that book and make it mortal. (and killing it afterwards)

>> No.2798798

>>2798794
>Mommy
Wat

>> No.2798818

>>2798798
Mummy

>> No.2798830

>>2797921
>Invalid Logic

fix'd

>> No.2798839

immortality cannot protect itself from being erased, the ability to stay immortal is not part of the meaning of immortal

so many idiots..

>> No.2798846

>>2798839

Actually, it does in the strictest meaning.

In the tightest, most absolute meaning of "immortal", there is no way for them to die, in any way, shape, or form. A death cannot be "made" for them, their immortality cannot be "stripped", etc.

>> No.2798847

Fucking idiots. You can remove immortality easily with SMALL BOMBS.

>> No.2798886

>>2798839
By that rationality, everyone is immortal until the moment they die.

>> No.2798917

>>2798886
They are.

You never heard of that?

>> No.2798937

>>2798917
Kind of defeats the whole purpose of having a word.

>> No.2798941

>>2797561
First ask yourself how much of it is about drinking tea.

>> No.2798964

Man i wish i was immortal ;_;
I'll never see VR or Robomaids.

>> No.2799021

>>2798964
Don't lost hope, maybe when we're in our 80s... ;_;

>> No.2799036

>>2798964
You ignorant shit, humanoid androids are already being built. Holographic displays and videogames are entirely lifelike. We're putting a permanent base on the moon.

You are living in the future, stop whining.

>> No.2799043

>>2798964
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jETv3NURwLc&feature=PlayList&p=6C3C7034BEA0AA1D&playnext=
1&playnext_from=PL&index=7

>> No.2799119

They became "immortal" by taking a magic potion, not by arguing semantics with God. How exactly do we know that what they refer to as "immortality" - because of, you know, nothing appearing to be able to kill them - subscibes to your notion of a semantically perfect immortality? All we know is that it makes stabbing them not work. Immortality by your definition means living forever; an infinite amount of time, and hence, possession of it cannot be proved, only disproved.

>> No.2799121

In Utero is the third and final studio album by the American grunge band Nirvana, released September 13, 1993, on DGC Records. Nirvana intended the record to be significantly divergent from the polished production of its previous album Nevermind (1991). To capture a more abrasive and natural sound, the group hired producer Steve Albini to record In Utero during a two-week period in February 1993. The music was recorded quickly with few studio embellishments, and the song lyrics and album packaging incorporated medical imagery that conveyed frontman Kurt Cobain's outlook on his newfound fame and personal life. Soon after recording was completed, rumors circulated in the press that DGC might not release the album in its original state, as the record label considered the result "uncommercial". Although Nirvana publicly denied the statements, the group was not fully satisfied with the sound Albini had captured. Albini declined to alter the album further, and ultimately the band hired Scott Litt to make minor changes to the album's sound and remix the singles "Heart-Shaped Box" and "All Apologies". Upon release, In Utero entered the Billboard 200 chart at number one and received critical acclaim as a drastic departure from Nevermind. The record has been certified five times platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America, and has sold over four million copies in the United States alone.

>> No.2799157

>>2799119


I'm tired of all you ignorant people. I'll prove it simply and thourghly. Immortality means eternal life. Whether you reach it one way or another, I don't care. Anyway, this is absolute, and you cannot disprove it.
People who can not be subject to death presently, but able to be made subject to death by taking a potion or whatever in the future for you to kill them, are in fact, mortal. People who are not subject to death presently, and NOT able to be made subject to death in the future, means they will live forever. Hence the definition ETERNAL LIFE. This PROVES that immortals in fact, cannot be made mortal. I rest my case.

>> No.2799162

immortal
1. Not susceptible to death or aging, never dying or growing older.

mortal
1. Susceptible to death by aging, sickness, injury, or wound

>> No.2799164

>>2799119
>>2798839
>>2798886

You all are wrong. See >>2799157

>>2798846
Thank you. Someone who understands! You, sir, have the correct logic.

>> No.2799179

>>2799157
THEN WHOSE TO SAY KAGUYA AND MOKOU ARE ACTUALLY IMMORTALS?

ASK FUCKING ZUN, IMMORTAL IS JUST A WORD.

>> No.2799188

>>2799179
Now you're just trolling. ZUN did, in fact, say they can never die and are truly immortal. I'll give you an example....
Suppose that a potion won't work, and that the Hourai Elixir isn't what keeps them alive, but rather makes them in an immortal state. In comparison, the Hourai Elixir is like a poison, and Mokou and Kaguya would already be 'dead'. Giving a dead body medicine won't work. The same way it won't work on immortals. Understand?

>> No.2799192

>>2799157
Bitches don't know about my biological immortality. >>2799179
Devil's proof in my Touhou?

>> No.2799193

>>2799188
NO I DON'T AND I DON'T CARE TO UNDERSTAND.

>> No.2799194

>>2799188

Oh, and in addition to that, suppose the only way to make a cure work would be to bring that dead body back to life, or to kill an immortal.
>kill an immortal.
They won't die BECAUSE they are immortal, so a potion or a cure will never work.

>> No.2799199

>>2799193
Yeah, you're trolling.

>> No.2799205

>>2799199
AND SO ARE YOU.

I'M ONLY TROLLING IF YOU RESPOND TO IT.

>> No.2799209

>>2799205
I'm only trying to prove that immortals cannot die by any means. You're trying to prove that they can die. Immortality allows no exceptions. That's why it's called IMmortal.

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>>2799205

You kids don't know jack about trolling, I say.

>> No.2799247

I declare >>2799157 and >>2798846 winner
Fact proven: immortals can never die ever no matter what

>> No.2799274

Ok if their heads pop off, do they regenerate new heads or new bodies?

>> No.2799280

>>2799274
Immortality is like casting away the physical body. It simply reincarnates.

>> No.2799316

>>2799157

But how do we know that what they call "immortality" fits your semantically perfect definition? Someone who never aged and could not be killed would be called immortal by themselves and others, regardless of your hurpadurp "proof". The possession of immortality by your criteria, is by definition, impossible to prove.

>> No.2799332

>>2799316
The undying are shit-house.

Cool kids are getting into the neverborn.

Aeternal => Immortal.

>> No.2799334

>>2799316
Why not? It makes perfect sense! If there is a way to kill them, they are mortal. If there is NO way to kill them, they are immortal. Why would it be impossible?

>> No.2799339

>>2799247

All that proves is that "true" immortals cannot have their immortality removed, using a semantic argument as idiotic as "Can God make a rock heavier than he himself can pick up?". All it proves is that your "perfect" definition of immortality is flawed.

Someone who never ages and heals all injuries would be called "immortal" by people. That does not mean their condition perfectly fits a dictionary definition of the term.

>> No.2799352

>>2799334

To demonstrate they have immortality, they must live for an infinite amount of time. Ergo, immortality can only be disproved.

Your argument rests on the assumption that what is referred to by people in-universe as "immortality" is your perfect definition of the word. There is no reason for such an assumption.

>> No.2799361

/jp/ Semantics/General

You are all talking past each other. Immortality is a defintion. Define it first and then argue.

>> No.2799363

>>2799339
But immortality, in it's strictest sense, means that it cannot be killed no matter what. What, now there's a 'true' immortality and 'false' immortality? Listen, get it in one of two categories. If you can kill them, they are mortal. 'true' immortals are the ONLY immortals. If something can reverse it, then they are able to die, hence they are mortal. If that same something will not work and they are forced to live forever, they are immortal. Immortals can NOT die. Mortals CAN. If a potion works, they were never immortal in the first place.

>> No.2799371

>>2799363
So one day when Gensokyo doesn't exist anymore and their souls fly around or to another dimension. Are they dead are or they not? Is your definition of immortality strictly bound to the physical presence in this reality? I just want to get some things clear.

>> No.2799396

>>2799363

Then they're mortals who never age and cannot be killed by ordinary methods, alright. However, people who fall under that definition would be *called* immortals by themselves and people around them. You are changing the definition to fit your argument.

>> No.2799400

>>2799371
Yes, they are forever bound to physical presence of reality. If they are immortal and Gensokyo is erased, they would reincarnate back into the reality where Gensokyo once was. It'd probably be absolute darkness, but still very real. You're a smart kid, and you have good logic.

I know what you're about to say, "so go back in time and make it so they never drank the Hourai Elixir in the first place"! Well, that's also impossible, and I'll explain why. They would have died a long time ago, and there would be no reason for you to go back in time to take it away from them.

It's like going back in time to kill yourself as a child. If you do it, how can you exist today to do the action? I can only think of one of two solutions. Either you are unsuccessful, allowing your past self to grow up and try to do the action in the future. Or you do kill yourself, but reality bends and warps itself so your past self resurrects at one point so it makes sense of itself, allowing yourself to go back in time to do the action. In any case, if you're dead, you can't do it. So you can never really kill your past self. This is the kind of immortality I believe Kaguya and Mokou have.

>> No.2799406

>>2799396
No, I believe you are changing the definition.
>cannot be killed by ordinary methods.

Immortals cannot be killed by ANY methods. That's why they are immortal. There is a difference.

>> No.2799407

>>2799363 in it's strictest sense

I found your problem.

Characters rarely talk exclusively about perfect dictionary definitions, and plenty of stories exist about trying to find a "cure" for immortality. Kaguya and Mokou's condition looks like immortality, smells like immortality, people will call it immortality, and I doubt they'll spend hours cross-referencing definitions in their dictionaries first.

>> No.2799409

So now it's 300?

>> No.2799415

>>2799406

>However, people who fall under that definition would be *called* immortals by themselves and people around them.

Next time, try addressing the point in your rebuttal. You may find it helps.

>> No.2799419

>>2799407
A cure for immortality doesn't make sense! It's like the solution to division by zero! How many zeros does it take to make 5?

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>>2799419

>> No.2799433

>>2799429
The hell does that even mean? I'm making a point here, and it looks like you're just trolling.

>> No.2799457

Look, my point here is if they are able to be made subject to death, they are mortal.

If they are not able to be subject to death, they are immortal. Immortal people live forever and cannot die by any means. Mortals are people who can perhaps find a way AROUND death, but ultimately they can be subject to it. Immortals cannot.

>> No.2799476

Why are you guys debating metaphysical crap? God i hate philosophy. Give a page of numbers any day.

>> No.2799480

>>2799400
Whoa wait, going back to the past is a VERY complicated issue, I'd never use time travel in some sort of discussion.
Time travel for me would be something like you exists there, can see everything, but you can never interact with it, because every interaction would alter the future.
Still if you grant some time traveller a limited space of action, and it would try to kill its former self, stabbing it with a knife, you would get weaker the closer you're to killing that former self, thus you will never be able to kill 'him'.

>> No.2799481

>>2799476
At this point, it's a debate of logic.

>> No.2799488

>>2799457

Alright, so they are mortal, but "apparantly" - to themselves and those around them - immortal, as they never age and cannot be killed, which is all we know about their condition. People will call them "immortal" whichever way it is.

>> No.2799499

>>2799480
Time travel is debatable, but I believe there are some things you can and can't do when going back in time. For example, you can't kill yourself. But suppose this....

You lost your car keys, so you went back in time to fetch them right before you lost them, and returned to your time. Well, that explains why you lost them... Understand? If you trace it, it's actually pretty simple.

>> No.2799508

>>2799488
But that's just the problem! People WANT to believe you can take away immortality. When it comes down to it, they can't. That's why it's called immortality. Because they are not able to.

>> No.2799518

>>2799508

And so, QED, they don't have immortality fitting your definition, they have something else.

>> No.2799520

>>2799518
Who doesn't?

>> No.2799530

>>2799520

Try reading the rest of the thread, not just the part you want to troll, and all will become clear.

>> No.2799541

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Huh?

>> No.2799545

>>2799530
Mokou and Kaguya? Oh, well as for their immortality, it's as I said before. Not a kind of power... if the Hourai Elixir was a poison, Mokou and Kaguya would already be 'dead'. Using this kind of logic, immortals are unaffected to any form of a cure for the Hourai Elixir won't work the same way medicine won't work on a dead body. I don't think the Hourai Elixir keeps them immortal, but rather put them in an immortal state, like death.

>> No.2799552

>>2799541
Evidence of a pointless argument about nothing.

>> No.2799601
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When it comes to immortality, I believe it means living forever. Whether it's living forever starting at a certain point, and forever there on after, or living forever like the way god does (always being there since the 'beginning' of time).
Either way, immortality means there is no way to kill it. If taking in the medicine of eternal life will make you unable to die by any means, then no cure will work either because a cure would be considered one of those 'means'. That's what most of this arguing was all about.
I was trying to prove there's no such thing as a cure to immortality BECAUSE it's immortality, and the other two guys were trying to say that it is possible. Well, if there's a way to kill it, it's not really immortal now is it? That's what I've been trying to argue this whole time.

>> No.2799616

>>2799601
There, I rest my case. /thread.

>> No.2799622

Highlander disagrees.

>> No.2799627

>>2799499
How is your understanding of what happens if you go back in time? Would you be in the same reality or an alternative reality?
What happens if you only go back in the past for 1 second? Would you bump and fusion with your 1-second-before self to create a flesh monster?

>> No.2799643

>>2799627
No, if you go back in time 1 second and make a flesh monster of yourself, you wouldn't want to do it then now would you?
The only possibility is if you're in shock from the cause of your future self going back in time to do it, making you so shocked you accidentally do it, thus completing the cycle. It's the only possibility.

>> No.2799644

>>2799601
>When it comes to immortality, I believe it means living forever.
>I believe

There's your answer, fishbulb.

It should be noted that your definition of "immortality" is in direct conflict with ZUN's, as not only are Mokou and Kaguya capable of dying, but they do it fairly frequently (Mokou dies every time you beat one of her spellcards). They're perfectly capable of death, they just have unlimited respawns.

>> No.2799666

>>2799601
It's getting very metaphysical here. Let's take this example, Mokou doesn't want to live anymore and refuses to regenerate her torn apart limbs, her heart ist crushed, her brains too. So what for you is left of her life? Is it some kind of will that never dies or a self-regernating agent that will restore her even if she doesn't want to live? What's her free will worth? If she just stands at one place for a million years and doesn't move, she is still living right? She probably lost her consciousness but she is somehow still alive?

>> No.2799685

I believe it, because immortality means forever undying! It's from the freaking dictionary, read it! "UNENDING LIFE"

This is quoted from the work of ZUN.
"Abilities: Eternal youth and immortality"

"Mokou still detests Kaguya, and Kaguya still tries to kill her, but neither of them can die forever."

Yes, it also said "Now, Mokou and Kaguya kill each other on a daily basis." BUT it doesn't say they can die! Either, they are not really immortal, or they are never really "killed". In any case, ZUN pointed out they can never really die, so its safe enough to say that in terms of "killing each other", they don't actually die when they are killed.

>> No.2799695

>>2799666

She doesn't regenerate, she reincarnates. Actually, she has no will to become immortal. It's a fact taken from the official works of zun. http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Cage_in_Lunatic_Runagate:_Chapter_4

>> No.2799696

>>2799643
I was more interested in your imaginations, the concrete materialization in the past. You obviously somehow have to push away the air the wall your flesh or whatever that is there in the past you're going to. How do you think that works? Hence I said the only kind of past travelling I can imagine is that you are there but can't interact with anything.

>> No.2799714

>>2799696
Who says you can't interact with anything? What if the reason you go back in time is because of something you did later to cause it? Like the car key example in >>2799499 ?
It's perfectly possible for that situation to happen, if time travel is possible.

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>>2799714
There. You can't disprove that kind of thing. /thread.

>> No.2799760

>>2799714
The car example is a paradoxon, I can't really fathom how that would work. It's an infinit loop.
For convenience sake ket's say there's a person A, and the same person receives an index 1,2,3...n
If A1 were to go back and takes the key, than A2 would lose the key and then go back to steal the one from A3, and so on... Now who stole the key from A1? Probably A0, and the one who stole from A0 is probably A-1, and so on. Well yeah, I can't really imagine it.
It's just as insane as if you would doubt everything you just said, so you're even doubting your doubt and so on, this will get your really fast to your next psycho clinic.

>> No.2799763

Whats the downside of drinking the immortality medicine? I mean, you become immortal.

>> No.2799778

>>2799760
It's an infinite loop BECAUSE it makes sense!

You loose they key, you go back in time to get it!
>you loose the key
Right there, is the cause. If you never lost it, you'd never go back in time. The only way for it to work is IF you lost it. There must be that infinite loop. If you cut one of the two, it wouldn't make sense!

>> No.2799779

Suppose I invent something that for all intents and purposes, makes a person "absolutely immortal". I tentatively name it a "Elixir of Immortality".
Several hundred years down the line, the people get tired of my tyrannical rule and petition a genius inventor of the age to create a potion that would cancel the Elixir's power.
Now since I had no way of knowing that such a thing would ever be possible, I was justified in calling my Elixir an "Elixir of Immortality". Technically I should have called it "Elixir of Near-Immortality until someone finds a way to fuck it up" but I was so confident of my skills that I thought it could never happen.

Now if the immortality was not artificially added by a manmade invention, but was instead something truly eternal (like the Yamas) then your arguments have merit. But the fact remains that the immortality of Kaguya's and Mokou's is a creation of one mad Lunarian, which could conceivably be negated by another invention.

>> No.2799795

>>2799779
>mad lunarian

The characters for Yagokoro literally mean "Eight minds", and Eirin "Eternal jewel". "Eight" is the sacred number especially for ancient Japanese, and it could mean "sacred, numerous, infinite". For example, Yakumo (八雲, eight clouds), Yashima (八島, eight islands), Yata no Kagami, Yaoyorozu no Kami. And gokoro is an ancient reading for 意, which could indicate something about heart or mind. So her whole name could mean "Intelligence of eternally clear brightness over infinitely extended area".

Owned.

>> No.2799816

>>2797245
I can't find this doujin. The only sites displaying that they have it 403 when I try to access them.

>> No.2799829

>>2799795
If Erin is infinite mind, and she created something that which cannot be killed, then you cannot have someone smarter than her to supposedly create a reverse, because you can't find someone smarter, because Eirin mind is infinite and you can't go higher than infinity. I rest my case. No cure is possible.

>> No.2799831

>>2799795

That's nice.

My name means "Red King" in Gaelic, you know, but I'm not actually of royal blood, nor am I red.

>> No.2799840

>>2799644
>They're perfectly capable of death, they just have unlimited respawns.
>Death
>unlimited respawns

then isnt dead, isnt it?

>> No.2799848

>>2799840
Well they would still be temporarily in a state of death.

Heres a question : What if you stick them in a situation that they can regenerate, but will just die straight away?

E.G. Lets say you stick one of them in a giant furnace and lock them in it. They can regenerate but they will just stay there forever, getting burned.

>> No.2799856

>>2799778
Yeah, it's ok. You believe that the world can have these funny loops, then I guess it's allright. So for you theoritically, this world could be some kind of infinite loop, like let's say this world ends and we all move back to 50 millions years ago and everything starts anew but 50 million years later the loop begins again.
I just can't cope with this sort of non-progression, I do believe this universe has a more linear progression, but that's something I cannot proof.

>> No.2799872

>>2799856
>So for you theoritically, this world could be some kind of infinite loop, like let's say this world ends and we all move back to 50 millions years ago and everything starts anew but 50 million years later the loop begins again.


I dont think you know what a time loop is

It has a base no: LOL WE GO BACK IN TIME AND EVERYTHING IS MAGICAL LIKE IT WAS

>> No.2799879

>>2799829
>>2799795
What if Eirin herself creates a cure?

>> No.2799880

>>2799848

I am not >>2799840
It wouldn't really be called "dead" if they can come back to life. Dead means no life. "respawn" means there IS a life. When you run out, it's dead. Therefore, unlimited respawning means there is no room for death. It's just a temporary set back, but not death. Once you run out, then it's death. But if it's unlimited, you can't run out.

As for the whole fire thing, well Mokou is invulnurable to fire, so it doesn't apply.

>> No.2799889

>>2799879
>no cure is possible
>no cure

If you can cure it, then it wasn't immortal in the first place. By the way, it's stated officially that Eirin KNEW there was no cure.

>> No.2799898

>>2799856
It would explain the big bang. If all matter cannot be created or destroyed, then it was always there. It all got sucked up into a black hole, and eventually the pressure simply built up, resulting in a big bang. Thus renewing the cycle. Everything is connected. Things MUST happen.

>> No.2799904

>>2799889

We've been over this tautology before (to recap, people will call them immortal anyway), Eirin does not know everything.

>> No.2799906

>>2799848
>Well they would still be temporarily in a state of death.

Death is permanent, they could be in a dead-LIKE state, as in, for a exterior observer it will look like they have die, no pulse, no brain funtions etc, but they rise again, for them nothing more than a nap, for the exterior observer a dead and resurrection

>> No.2799907

>>2799898

>black hole
>pressure simply built up

Black holes do not work that way.

>> No.2799913

How do they work?

Gravity can only come out of matter. It's like a supernova.

>> No.2799919

>>2799906 Death is permanent

Says who? All we know is that so far, we can't return dead things to life.

>> No.2799920

>>2799880
Cut moukou into pieces, put pieces far away from each other and chained them apart. What happens?

>> No.2799929

>>2799920
Funny you ask that, Marisa asked the same thing on Imperishable Night.

Here's a quote. "Immortality is like casting away the physical body"
I think that should be more than enough for anything you to do to them means it doesn't really apply. They'll just reincarnate.

>> No.2799933

>>2799920
>What happens?

She appears in the Red team respawn room

>> No.2799941

>>2799898
Hmm, it's ok. Every discussion ends when it comes down to belief. We people argue with beliefs much more than we think.

>> No.2799950

Alright, alright. Here's some logic for all of you... Suppose Mokou is like the everlasting Phoenix. The Hourai Elixir made her like the Phoenix, and she respawns from every death. Suppose it made her body like an immortal's body too, so giving her body a cure would be like giving a dead body medicine. It won't work. The only way for it to work, is if you bring that dead body back to life, or to kill mokou.
>Mokou
>immortal

You can't because she won't die. The kill is an illusion.

>> No.2799958

But if you lock her away in a vat of acid, it becomes moot.

Anyway whats so bad about the medicine in the first place? You become immortal.

>> No.2799987

>>2799958
read the picture in the first post of this thread

>> No.2799992

>>2799987
None of her sadness had to do with her immortality.

Being alone? Meet people. Duh.

>> No.2799993

>>2799958
read this >>2799929
Anything you do to her body is moot, acid won't work. She reincarnates back instantly as soon as she's gone. Well, she wouldn't really be gone then in the first place...

>> No.2800017

>>2799993
But WHERE exactly does she reincarnate into? I mean where does her body appear? In the vat of acid? Somewhere else randomly? A set location?

>> No.2800020
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2800020

There, fact proven. Immortals can never die, and that means there is no way for them to become mortal either.
Becomming mortal introduces death. Death for immortals is impossible. Therefore, becoming mortal to introduce death is impossible for an immortal.

Fact proven. /thread.

>> No.2800026

>>2800017
Why not? Any one of those is possible. You have Imperishable Night the game, don't you? She reincarnates like that.

>> No.2800092

>>2799992
Enjoy everyone you fall in love with growing old and dying before your eyes while you're left behind, never to see them again

It's not a stretch to imagine in a world with immortality there's some sort of afterlife

>> No.2800167

>>2800026
What if you dont kill her but just keep her in a state of constant pain?

>> No.2800184

>>2800167
She'd be in pain but not dead. It would suck. A lot.

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