Touhou Gameplay Thread

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Did you get that LNN yet?

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>>27714605
Yeah I got LLS LNNs with all shot types but I can’t for the life of me figure out where to upload it

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>>27718106
This is an issue for me as well. I've gotten two No-Vertical LNNs while looking through a mirror, playing with my arms crossed and having the screen flicker on and off at random intervals for 1/2 seconds, but I'm also wondering where to upload these videos at.

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trying to decide whether to pick up Subterranean or Wily Beast. which one should I get?

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>>27719806
Try out SA, if you want something more challenging.

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Is there any sense to getting green UFOs in normal survival runs?

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>>27721547
yes, you want to optimize red and green (and mutli, when appropriate) based on ufo spawns.

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>>27722794
That makes sense, thanks

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>>27714605
she cute

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MOTHERFUCKERS

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>>27714605
I Just started playing EoSD(on normal), but I'm pretty much stuck at stage 4. Anyone got any tips to help an incompetent retard out?

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>get to Sakuya on first try EoSD normal
>filtered by Ringo on LoLK normal

I know I'm a beginner (only 1cc is normal TD) but geez

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>>27731347
LoLK takes a lot of practice, there’s just no way around it
Alternatively, pick reisen or sanae and bombspam like crazy

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>>27731440
Stout Marimain, but yeah I read especially Reisen is basically cheating the game.

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>>27731609
The difference between shot types is immense, if the game only had Reimu and Marisa it’d be the hardest 1cc in the series, but Reisen is imo the easiest. Sanae somewhere in the middle, even though you can skip literally everything in the game its not as easy as it looks.

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>>26305595
Isn't Reitaisai this weekend, I assume they'll have a demo there.

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>>27725516
congrats anon! which difficulty was it?

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>>27730354
hold shift for focused movement.

most bullets in stage four are aimed, so you can make small, periodic taps to avoid them (aka streaming) - this is a recurring thing in all these games. the white oval bullets from spinners are one example: while you sometimes can go from one side of the screen and move all the way around them, you can always just tap to stay in a gap between them. learn enemy spawns so you're in the right places ahead of time. this is especially important for the spinners toward the end of the stage, since you can find yourself needing to bomb if one of the columns isn't killed at the top of the screen. the first half of the stage is also easier if you stay toward one side. some enemies you can kill before they fire (or finish firing) like the fairies at the start. stage four also has fairies that clear the screen of bullets when you kill them, so you'll want to be underneath them right away. of the three at the very end of the stage, the center one has more health, so one strat is to damage it a bit first, then jump to one side of the screen to kill that fairy, back to center, then to the other side. for patchouli's nonspells, the second laser loses its hitbox shortly before it's vertical, so you can jump through it.

use reimu a (homing) or marisa b (laser) for an easier clear. both have good bombs, marisa b especially, and homing helps during stages (although you'll learn them better without homing).

use stage practice. you can also use a practice tool if you want, like thprac. you should develop a mostly consistent route through each stage to minimize unnecessary bombing, and you won't know how to handle a lot of boss attacks without practice and experimentation. after some work, you'll learn what parts usually give you trouble, so you'll be prepared ahead of time to bomb rather than getting caught off-guard and dying with bombs in stock. also, bomb more.

watch replays. yours can help show you what you're doing wrong, and top players' can show you how to handle basically any part of every game. that's why a typical response to a 'how do i' question is 'watch a replay' - it's usually the best and quickest solution. there's certainly no shame in learning from the best - some vets will go straight to a replay to learn a score route, for instance - it's just a matter of your personality and how much you enjoy learning things yourself or if don't care about that at all.

use vpatch. input delay can be massive for the older windows games on modern systems, and vpatch fixes this.

try to focus during practice and take a break if things aren't going well. practice smarter, not harder. keep at it and things will start clicking.

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>>27735309
Thank you very much for the help; I managed to get through the stage due to it. Vpatch already came with the game file I downloaded. What also really helped was switching from my 360 controller to a keyboard.

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>>27735309
Good post
>>27731347
LoLK is like that. If you are playing pointdevice, then there is no problem sticking to Marisa and just grinding it out. Just don't try so hard that you don't want to play any more: that's the only way to fail, long-term.

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What are some fun spellcards to timeout on lunatic? I just got a VoWG timeout but now I'm kind of lost since my favorite thing to do is go for timeouts.

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>>27765245
Ripples of 495 years

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>>27768094
That sounds pretty fun, is there a spellcard practice patch for EoSD that you know of?

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>>27731347
I've 1cc'd a bunch of these and LoLK is a hard filter for me. I'm convinced it's style works for some people more than others. Pointdevice mode really just doesn't do it for me

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>>27769834
not him, but thprac should work for all windows games. pairs nicely with spoileral (invincibility, boss timer freeze, etc).
https://github.com/ack7139/thprac/releases
https://maribelhearn.com/tools#spoileral

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>>27770413
Woah I never realized something like this existed. Thanks for sharing it with me.

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I think I'm ready for my first Lunatic run. Should I do it on PCB or IN?

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>>27772853
PCB is easier imo, but they're both close enough in difficulty that you should choose whichever game you like more

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>>27734998
thanks. lunatic, scoran.

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>>27734373
It comes out tonight or tomorrow morning, depending on how fast it's ripped.

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>>27800929
It's another fighting game right?

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>>27806932
It's a platform fighter I think. I'm not entirely sure what the genre is.

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>>27807128
no shmup me not pirate it

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>>27819895
You shouldn't be pirating the games anyway. How do you expect ZUN to get shitfaced every day without money?

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I was this close of getting my 1cc Normal in DDC earlier. I first started as sakuyaA, but I switched to ReimuA and I'm having a much easier time now. I have to stop going for PoC in stage 4 because I eat a rice ball in the face like a dumbass every single time. This will be my second 1cc normal after EoSD, I feel like I've improved a lot during the past few months.

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>>27826690
There are portions of stage 4 where you can just sit above the PoC through entire waves of enemies.

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>>27826690
If you are full on bombs, you can use them to safely reach the PoC, effectively exchanging bombs for life pieces.
Also, good job! I'm sure you've improved a lot.

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Soon.
https://twitter.com/unabara/status/1317651127324663809

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>>27821831
I'm pretty sure he owns a brewery he can get shitfaced all day without paying a dime.

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used to post in 2012-2013
how is this shit still alive

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>>27846224
There have been a number of new 2hu games since 2012-2013

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>>27827183
>>27826958
Finally done! Staying up top stage 4 really helped during the barrages. I managed to reach Sukuna a couple of times as ReimuA with 3 or 4 lives left but she got the best of me, so with what I learned as reimu, I switched back to sakuyaA and her shield definitely helped. The homing sword spells were horrible to deal with but I somehow made it. I'll give it another go as Reimu later, I need a break.

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>>27806932
I beat them
fuck that battle

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>>27853656
Congrats

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>>27853656
Shinmyoumaru is probably my least favorite fight in any mainline game (outside of 15). Good work on powering through it so quickly.

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The more I fight sakuya, the more annoyed I get at that time stoping gimmick of hers. Even though I'm starting to get her attack patterns it's still annoying af.

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>>27867079
*stopping

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>>27714605
Any tips for someone trying to beat Eosd? I can't even get past the 5 stages on easy, I will probably mess up the 6 stages on normal even more.
I always get stuck at Patchouli ahh

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>>27867736
Use practice mode to practice the stage you struggle the most with.
A lot of bullets are aimed at you. Don't move too much or you'll fill the screen with bullets. For Patchouli's non-spells, some of the bullets are aimed at you (on odd or even waves, I can't remember), so you can misdirect them to give you more room to move with the rotating laser. It's probably easier to look up a video.
Which shot are you using? Patchy's spells are different for each shot.

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>>27867736
I played this recently for the first time and I find that simply playing will help you get the hang of it. Try and remember how you move to get past patterns, what area of the screen in the best to be in, and what patterns you need to mete out bombs for. Practice does help a lot, if you can get past a stage pretty consistently without using a continue then you should try to tackle story mode(?) again.

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>>27867736
I'm very much still a noob myself, but I've noticed that practicing on higher difficulties (combined with use of the practice mode) helps quite a bit(I wouldn't recommend lunatic though). If you can beat the 4th stage on normal you should be ready to beat the the 5th on easy without much of any problems(at least that's what I experienced after being stuck on stage 5 on normal and trying easy out of curiosity).

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>>27867736
Also, I would recommend you practice the earlier stages to the point that you have enough lives to bomb spam your way through her. Afterwards, you can simply practice the stage to the point that you will be able to beat it without relying on that. Trust me, you don't want to be out of bombs on stage 5 (your first time).

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Got my first lunatic 1cc in fuujinroku using homing amulet, working on the needles now.

Games fun.

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>>27871164
Good job!

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>>27871164
>fuujinroku
Stop

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>>27871203
make me, I talk to a japanese friend and kind of got used to using those names.

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>>27871226
Do you think it's bad to adapt your language depending on who you talk to? I only know which game fuujinroku is without looking it up thanks to that song that beatMario released earlier this year. It's not that people here prefer the English title due to some sense of nationalism: a lot of people simply don't know what the Japanese names are.
Anyway, congratulations!

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>>27871344
I mean we are on /jp/ I think most people should know which game MoF is.

Once I beat it with needles, who knows when life and all, I'll upload a replay.

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>>27871393
well, you think wrongly, but i can understand the pushback from being told to call things a certain way.
don't know about anyone else, but i just want to push buttons, and this is the thread for it. feels like most of the board is chill about people not knowing japanese, too, as long as you aren't asking to be spoonfed or something like that.

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>>27872504
Even more so when the game shows the spoken out kanji in the main menu lol.

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>>27872564
not sure what you're getting at. if you're here for gameplay, then there's no need to care, especially when those titles are basically never used in conversation. it's just not relevant. the djt club is two threads down.

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>>27872945
I am.

I cannot for the live of me deal with momiji's pattern, always have to bomb. Rarely got it.

I want to spot where to dodge it so I do not have to deal with the aimed bullets that come after her until the song reaches a certain point.

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>>27872504
>you think wrongly
No, you're just out of your element, tourist.

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>>27873299
if there is a consistent method, i never found it from practice or replays. i doubt that there is, though, with the amount of rng it has. used marisa for my lnb and, between momiji and the hell you get if you finish her quickly, i just assumed i'd almost always die twice there.

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New player here(only been playing eosd for around a weeks worth of time) What should my goal be for when it comes to clears? Personally i was thinking of going for 1cc clears with all shot types on normal on all the games, and maybe even the harder difficulities later on if i can manage it. Is this a good goal to aim for? or should i only bother clearing the game once per game on normal? Thanks in advance for any replies.

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>>27875216
You set your own goals.
You want to all clear 1cc a game on hard? Play on hard and learn it till you make it. First clear is the hardest as you develop fundamental skills for the genre and learn the game.

You want lunatic? Play it. Granted you should clear hard for a while before touching lunatic as lunatic is basically hard but double bullet amount.

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>>27875216
If you can normal 1cc with all shot types every single game you are more than ready for hard mode. A lot of the games vary significantly in difficulty when compared to each other or even shot types within the same game (LoLK is the best example, legacy mode reisen and sanae are some of the easiest 1ccs in the series whereas reimu and marisa are some of the hardest)
IMO from my years of experience playing and watching other people improve at touhou, I've found those who have made the biggest strides typically stuck to a single game and grinded the hell out of it. This seems counterintuitive but it makes sense in retrospective. You find a game you enjoy, and you challenge yourself to really learn every facet of it, not just bomb for a quick and easy 1cc but really familiarize yourself with it. You'll develop a lot of skills within that one game which will then transfer to all the others. People will tell you to start with the easy stuff but that's BS, pick the game with your favorite mechanics, music, and cast and go to town. If it happens to be one of the easier ones, that's fine, if it's one of the harder ones don't be afraid. Hell there's people whose first lunatic 1cc was UFO of all games for this reason.

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>>27875216
>all shot types on normal on all the games
Yeah, that was my goal. It's very doable. Doing only one shot type only lets you see one ending, and it can be unrewarding in a game with unbalanced types.

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fuck you miko i'm done with your shit game

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You can play the th17.5 third trial now. The download works
>>27877619

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Holy moly I got absolutely destroyed in lunatic. I'll train a bit more on hard

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>>27880247
Has anyone had any luck running this in WINE?

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sorry if newfag question but I'm guessing this remake isn't available for download anywhere? I've never seen it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W5YIY4UWsY

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>>27882082
Me too, although I've beaten it on Hard. Which game is it for you?

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>>27907126
I tried IN as I've already done hard. I'm glad to see I can understand what the game throws at me so far

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>>27905839
Those remakes aren't availble for download, but the PoDD remake is. Although it requires you to buy the music unless you want to hear the same garbage placeholder song play on every boss fight.

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>>27909223
thanks for the info, do you know where i could find the download for podd? i found the developer's blog but having trouble finding the game itself

http://mugenri.blog.shinobi.jp/

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>>27910785
This page has a few useful links. https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Fools_Rush_In
Be wary though, this game has some weird mechanics. It's a race instead of survival.

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>>27853656
Congrats!

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>>27867736
EOSD is pretty simple and doesn't really have specific advice that you need, you just need to keep plugging away at the essential skills for the genre. I guess I'd suggest trying to look at the big picture during tricky moments. Focusing in on your character too much and thinking about micrododging everything can make things harder than they need to be. Zooming out and looking at the larger pattern of bullets that's happening can help you position yourself in places where you don't need to micrododge so much. Don't be afraid to move forward to reach these spaces.

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Is the 360 controller even accurate enough for stages 5 and 6 of eosd? I keep dying due to the controls during the sakuya miniboss on stage 5 and it's becoming a bit frustrating.

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Out of sheer luck, I just got my first 1cc normal in IN as team reimu, I have no idea how I managed to get under the time requirement, I panick-bomb spammed due to having little to no practice and I somehow got 3 or 4 last word spell cards. I failed at every last spell kaguya threw at me but still got through to the ending. I'm really pleased with how it turned out despite all the mess ups, IN has to be my favorite game so far, the presentation truly is gorgeous, the marisa stage is an amazing chase level with the background moving so fast and how high energy the song is, having to dodge master sparks is terrifying, also seeing how she stole the precious spells from other characters like patchouli's is hilarious, I love the soundtrack and the sound effects of the fairies blowing up, the dialogue is funny with everyone being even more sassier than usual and the spell card patterns are gorgeous to look at. Great game.

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>>27917101
Good job! IN was my first normal 1cc too. And you only have to worry about running out of time if you use a continue.

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can we talk about the 17.5 demo in here? i feel like i don't fully understand the controls. i've heard people mention healing with the water meter but i don't understand how to do that. i also don't know how to store water past 100% or if that's possible, when i release the collection button it uses the super.

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Is SA supposed to be way harder than MoF or am I just used to MoFs patterns?
Never felt that a stage 2 boss was anywhere near hard for me till now

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>>27961183
SA is one of the hardest next to UFO and LoLK. of those three, however, I think it's the least hard as long as you use reimu A

it is definitely harder than MOF though. the biggest struggles for me in SA were probably stage 5 altogether and several of okuu's spells. it also has an unusually hard stage 3. otherwise i'd say it's manageable

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>>27961183
I think the biggest difference is that the shot types and bombs are a lot weaker in SA for the most part. MoF has some hard patterns too but they get obliterated

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>>27961523
>>27961798
Ok thanks
So I'm not (completely) retarded after all
I also don't have a shot type so far that I like since I was always a Reimu with piercing needles
but the Yukari one is really distracting

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>>27961183
It requires you to play a bit differently. For example, with Parsee, you actually have to move all over the screen while fighting her, and she has that trap spell card where it becomes nigh impossible if you do it wrong. Keep at it.
Did you read up on the gimmicks for each shot type? Are you using Yukari's teleport?

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>>27961901
The teleport is actually really handy once you get used to the timing. It can kill you if the whole screen is chaotic, but if you're doing a streaming thing it can bail you out of a corner very well

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>>27957513
Seconding this, it's not made clear anywhere and holding C just collects water. The healing portion has got to be something else and I don't think it's got to do with grazing exclusively

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>>27880247
Out of the box, didn't work.
Tried after installing the DirectX shit, didn't work.
Tried with Locale Emulator, didn't work.
Tried with AppLocale, didn't work.
Tried with Windows 7 compatibility settings, didn't work.
Tried after turning off my antivirus, computer froze, had to hard reboot it. Now I can no longer open the Start Menu without it freezing again.

So that was productive.

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>>27975807
You are a not meant to install those DirectX files. I hope that doesn't screw you over.
Use change to jap locale first, then extract something like peazip. Don't extract in a new folder to start. Extract on your main OS Drive. Try documents.

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>>27806932
is that a touhou smrpg mod? Is it any good? Does it have a unique story or is it a reskin? I've been trying to play touhou rpgs. I have been enjoying TPDP because I prefer RPG and platformer genre games over shoot em ups.

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>>27977344
Just play Genius of Sappheiros, bro

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>>27977976
You know what? I will! Wish me luck.

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How do people genuinely enjoy UFO

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>>27978654
I hated UFO at first, now I love it and it's one of my favorites. The UFOs are a great mechanic to encourage movement. It's just a really well put-together game.

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>>27975807
make sure there are absolutely no spaces or punctuation marks in the file path. mine wasn't working because i named the folder "17.5 demo". then just rename the main folder from the japanese name to something else (without punctuation or spaces).

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>beginner
>doing great and think i'm gonna 1cc HSiFS with reimu on normal
>stage 6 makes me panic bomb a bunch of times before the boss
>do okay with okina but i'm out of bomb and lives
>her gimmick last spellcard skill checks my ass
i suck so bad at the cards with multitasking

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>>27979207
I'm at the part where I still hate it, though my distaste for routing and memorization is making me start to think that I'm in the wrong genre to begin with.
But most of touhou is pretty lax on stuff like that which is why it was easier for me to get into it to begin with compared to other shmups

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>>27980273
Try PoFV next if you haven't already, since that one's very anti-memorization.

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>>27980418
I already did
I'm going to keep hammering away at UFO, I think my time would be better served watching replays though.

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>>27979207
>The UFOs are a great mechanic
Okay, I like Seirensen, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

>>27979767
I bet you can do it if you stop abusing the quote function. Was that the first time you'd seen stage 6? Once you know what's coming, it's much easier.

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Those fucking Yuugi pillars. God damn.

>>27976936
>You are a not meant to install those DirectX files. I hope that doesn't screw you over.
That's one ill omen. Though I did manage to fix the Start Menu issue by hard rebooting again. That's not probably not good for the long-term health of the PC but fuck it, it fixed it.

>>27979639
This worked! Thanks. Weirdly enough I don't remember having this issue with spaces with the game's first demo? Ah, it doesn't matter.

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>>27978654
I used to dislike playing it but after learning more about the game, toying with the UFOs gets really fun

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>>27878817
much more enjoyable than TD

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>>27978654
Are you using Marisa's piercing lasers? They make it much easier to kill the UFOs when you want to, so that you can properly feed and harvest them.
>>27983331
Congratulations!

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>>27962499
>>27973175
I haven't used it so far
gonna test it soon

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>>28007560
I did my first run with Reimu A yesterday. The teleport killed me three times: it's like watching a slow-motion train-wreck. Pretty amusing, and I still got the normal 1CC. The screen either has to either have very few bullets on the side you teleport to, or you have to really know the timing on the teleport. It's probably better to not rely on it if you are not used to it.

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>>27871344
>>27872504
Are you seriously arguing against people using the romaji title? Because some newfags may not know them? Are you just pretending to be retarded?
If anything you're just begging for people to use the jp titles more frequently from now on. But maybe that was your goal?

pic related I guess.

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*keyboard stops working*
*dies*
Anger.jpg

Any other control schemes?
Thinking about switching from the arrow keys soon to see how it effects me.

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>>28025693
I have no idea how ZUN, or anybody else for that matter, play anything with the arrow keys. Just because it worked for Wolfenstein 3D doesn't mean we shouldn't move on!

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>>28026567
>I have no idea how ZUN, or anybody else for that matter, play anything with the arrow keys
I've done it for years. I just haven't played in a year and the last time I did was with a controller.

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>>28026567
zun uses a controller

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>>27978654
Why do you think it's bad? To me it plays like any of other other games

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>>28066080
That anon is just stuck in 2016 and thinks people still pretend to hate UFO

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>>28017927
imagine being this much of a contrarian faggot. I bet you say croissant as CWAHSAWN.

Everybody calls games by their English name and usually doesn't read the Japanese one. It's not rocket science.

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>>28066080
Unless you’re literally an LNN level player you’re going to be forced to play the stupid minigame to gather resources in order to bombskip/deathskip everything, which means the major challenge of the game is actually the stages (not fun at all) whereas the boss fights just come down to skipping everything except the braindead easiest stuff. If you like routing and memorization I get why you’d enjoy it but otherwise it’s a pain in the ass where missing a single UFO or two is the difference between 1cc and failure
LoLK is kind of similar (gather fuckton of resources - skip everything) but at the very least the life piece mechanic there is far less intrusive, it mostly just involves playing normally and grazing which is just standard stuff

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>>28069394
You're a long way from /v/, retard.

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Should I go for that 1cc with my first touhou game(eosd) or should I rather move on to pcb? It has taken me almost 10 days just to finish the game with continues and I'm most likely going to pass on the extra stage until I've gotten better at these. Or is grinding the stages a necessary part in developing the skills needed to beat the other games(which, from what I've heared, are only increasing in difficulty)?

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>>28070388
It's really up to you. They're two fairly different games, so maybe you'll like practicing one more than the other; try it and see. You are going to need to put in the time one way or the other, though.

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>>28069394
>imagine being this much of a contrarian faggot.
Imagine being this fragile of an EOP.
>Everybody calls games by their English name and usually doesn't read the Japanese one.
Yet >>27871164 shows otherwise. And I regularly see anons using the romaji titles in these threads. Check the archives, you're not "everybody".
Heck, why do you even play Touhou if you're that afraid of some random romaji? You do play Touhou, right?
Now fuck off Seija, I'm busy playing Chireiden.

>>28070388
I'd suggest trying other games first, until you find one you really enjoy, and 1cc that one. Also experiencing various patterns, mechanics, and shottypes should help you build experience. If you want to 1cc them in order you can still return to EOSD later on.

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>>28070388
Try around games, even shoot the bullet if need be then apply the universal principle
Play
Play something you enjoy
Play with purpose

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>>28070388
It pretty much took me the same amount of time beating EoSD with continues by having close to no experience in this genre, it took me another month or two to finally get a 1cc, but only after watching how other people were dealing with meiling, stage 4, sakuya and remi (those were, in chronological order, my roadblocks), and of course with some practice. In the meantime, my approach was that I messed around with other games in the series, first to take a break from EoSD, but also to get some tidbits of game knowledge and to train my muscle memory, also to see if would find a game I could call a favorite that I really wanted to be good at, and what I had slowly learned transferred from one game to the other -- LoLK and SA encouraged me to graze, IN and DDC helped making me go for PoC more, TD and GFW taught me to bomb and use my resources a lot more, etc. then I went back to EoSD after being more comfortable. PCB and EoSD are pretty similar gameplay wise so you can fiddle with that one first then move on to the other games.

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>>27979767
Her last spell is the hardest part of the game by far, ideally you're going in with lives/bombs to spare. You'll get it real soon, no sweat

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>>28069517
>gather resources in order to bombskip/deathskip everything
>routing and memorization
Shit, I guess you just described why I enjoy it. I'm trying to do a NB run and so far the furthest I can get is stage 5. Usually I make it my goal to go at least the first three stages without missing

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>>28070388
I don't think there is a right or wrong approach, but I suspect it'd be naive to expect something to magically "click" without you putting in the effort. Whether you put the effort towards EoSD or other Touhou games is probably more a matter of taste.
I like sticking to one game at a time, because it made it easy for me to know what to practice next.
>t has taken me almost 10 days just to finish the game
Why 'just'? It also took me days to finish the game like that when I started. I think that's normal. Try to be more proud of your accomplishments.
>going to pass on the extra stage until I've gotten better at these
This is probably a good call. The extra stages are usually gimmicky, so I think you'll learn more useful skills by doing other games first. Good luck!

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>>28071514
>>28072719
>>28074626
So, I tried pcb a bit and am a bit surprised at how well my skills transfered over from eosd; I am already able to reach stage 5 after only my second try which feels almost a bit weird. The game mostly feels the same as eosd but I've still got to get used to how colorful and "pretty" everything is (the fourth boss especially). I'm going to probably stick to pcb until I've beaten that one and maybe play a couple more, but once I've gotten a bit better and spent some time not just playing eosd I'm most definitely going back to 1cc that one since I did enjoy it a lot.
>>28074719
I'm most likely going to be doing something very similar to that
>>28095173
I was just getting a bit bored beating the same stages again and again until I'm able to beat them without dying as much; I still want to improve, but I just felt like trying something different before I got too tired of playing eosd.
>Why 'just'? It also took me days to finish the game like that when I started. I think that's normal. Try to be more proud of your accomplishments.
I guesss it felt a bit unearned since I didn't really feel just how much I improved in this genre. Now after playing pcb for a bit I feel a lot more proud. Also, I didn't get the same level of statisfaction from beating stages 5 and 6 that I got when I was first able to beat stage 4; mostly since I beat those on runs I didn't even expect to get that far and after beating stage 4 I felt I could beat the other ones given enough time so they didn't feel like as much of a hurdle as stage 4 did.
>Good luck!
Thanks

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>>28070388
Personally, practice makes perfect. Work on seeing a pattern after you get maneuvering down.
There are some safe spaces in cards, and there are spaces where danmaku doesn't require you to move too much. Knowledge is key, but polish your skills as much as you can.

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>>28069394
fuck off of /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

UFO extra is really stomping my head in with homing reimu.

[Anonymous No.]

Opinions on this game? I thought it was fun up until I unlocked the teleportation. The janky Teleportation alone makes the game almost unplayable

[Anonymous No.]

>>28127142
I have it. I didn't play it.

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>>28127142
It just takes some getting used to, and knowing exactly how it works really helps: >>/jp/thread/S23798949#p24249533
Overall it was a neat little game, not as meaty as the other photo games, but did some cool stuff. I liked it.

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>>28127142
My favorite photo game.

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>>28072719
Just use the english abbreviations, retard.

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>>28127142
Teleportation isn't that bad, only a handful of spells really require it and you get used to the controls after a while. Offers a lot more angles you can approach the puzzle solving to as well

[Anonymous No.]

first time I got past the survival spell card. only had 2 bombs left but I somehow managed to pull through.
my second extra clear after WBaWC. I think I'll pass on phantasm for now, but I'll probably try 1cc'ing the game on hard now.

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>>28174882
>0 bombs and lives
The best feel
Phantasm isn't that much harder but yeah its up to you

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>>28175331
>Phantasm isn't that much harder but yeah its up to you
I thought it was a big step up in difficulty, but if it's a similar level to extra, I'll give it a go after hard mode.

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>>28176855
Nah it's definitely not, while there's some spellcards that are slightly harder versions there's also a lot that are unchanged or just even easier. The biggest difference is that Yukari has one extra spellcard at the end of the fight you might want to brush up on, its definitely a blind run killer

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>>28177031
I find the stage section much harder on phantasm

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>>27714605
Has anyone actually beaten any of the games yet? I started with touhou06 this week and havent been able to beat the final 2 bosses for the last 4 days

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>>28195383
No one has ever beaten a single game since they where released anon. We are still cracking the code.
Just keep take break for a few days if you are hitting a wall.

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>>28195383
I have beaten touhou. Ask me anything

[Anonymous No.]

today is the first day i play a 2hu.
today is the day i live.

[Anonymous No.]

Should I be using WAV or MIDI?

[Anonymous No.]

Got my first LNB, it took me a week of practice and many deaths on stage 4 but I finally managed to clear it.

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>>28195383
Just keep at it and take a break if you start to get frustrated/unfocused. As long as you use the practice mode for the levels you're losing too many lives on so that you're left with 2 continues on the 5th/6th stage you will be able to force your way through the level so you can practice it enough to do the same with the 6th. The last two stages can be beaten with memorization and accurate movements and are (imo) a bit easier than the 4th.

[Anonymous No.]

I never got into Touhou culture because I thought it was weird stuff based on trash games, but despite all the years to this day I still see you Touhou fags everywhere I go. Been lurking some non-Touhou threads on this board for a good while and decided I may as well just finally assimilate. The culture from an outside view seems pretty wide and comprised almost entirely of oldfags so there aren't any easy entry points.
>tl;dr
How do you get into the Touhou subculture? Are the games still the prime focus or is there some other doujin stuff you focus around?

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>>28214728
What got me into the series was playing the first few windows games, namely 6-8. While they can look cheap, especially 6, there's just so much charm in them. The music, the patterns, the snarky dialogue, and the character portraits all work together to create something really unique. I think it's quite important to experience the games first to get a grasp on the atmosphere and characters and how they relate to each other. Not to mention, they're damn fun.
>comprised almost entirely of oldfags so there aren't any easy entry points.
This isn't some online game or something. In fact, I don't think the community even matters outside of enjoying fanworks like music or fangames. It's a series you can enjoy on your own and you can take it at your own pace.

[Anonymous No.]

Are the fighting games worth checking out and should I start with 7.5?

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>>28175331
>Phantasm isn't that much harder but yeah its up to you
Took me more tries to beat phantasm than extra. (amateur stats in pic; I'm not a big fan of PCB)
>>28177031
>The biggest difference is that Yukari has one extra spellcard at the end of the fight you might want to brush up on, its definitely a blind run killer
beat that one first try though thanks to three bombs, kek
>>28203062
WAV unless you get tired of the music (???) and want to hear a slightly different version done by your crappy software soundfont. For every game starting with PCB, the WAV is the 'canonical' version, and the MIDIs were made as an afterthought.
MIDI if you're playing EoSD, you happen to have an actual SC-88Pro hooked up to your computer, and you want to nut hard.
>>28195383
4 days is not long, it took me a month or so to get my first normal 1cc (in EoSD). It gets easier after the first one, and IMO EoSD is a great game to learn from because it teaches you to dodge rather than memorise thanks to a high level of RNG. Keeps it from getting boring, too.
>>28214728
>The culture from an outside view seems pretty wide
yes
>comprised almost entirely of oldfags
certainly not
>How do you get into the Touhou subculture?
I had heard a lot of 'touhou music' used as BGM in youtube videos and such, and I knew from wikipedia that it was a bullet hell game, though I had never played anything in the genre. One day I decided to play it (maybe it's popular for a reason?) and here I am.
>Are the games still the prime focus or is there some other doujin stuff you focus around?
You'll get very different answers depending on the thread you ask.

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>it teaches you to dodge rather than memorise thanks to a high level of RNG. Keeps it from getting boring, too.
this, I didn't know how much better it was for me to have started with eosd rather than pcb or even in until after trying them and I can also attest to the sometimes random attacks making the game more interesting; you can(and will) learn the memorisation part anyway by simply playing the game, but the basic lesson of learning how to dodge attacks is teached so much more thoroughly in eosd than in the sequels(at least pcb and in). I can almost guaruntee you that once you've gotten through the six stages of eosd (and you will as long as you keep at it) you will have a much easier time with (at least) the next 2 installments in the series.

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>>28206046
congrats! a lnb is an awesome milestone.

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>>28206046
That's so tight, but you made it. Congratulations!

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I feel like once you hit lunatic level your skills stay mostly the same and it becomes mostly a matter of how efficiently you can practice. I don't feel really better than I was 3 years ago, but back then I was so stupid grinding stuff like SA over and over again from stage 1 instead of properly isolating the trouble zones.

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>>28195383
Nobody has ever beaten a Touhou game. Anyone who says they have is lying, all videos are CGI.

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>>28246172
What are some other hilarous jokes I can tell myself?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28248611
Flamethrower Marisa.

[Anonymous No.]

Princess Tenko is filtering me. I got past it once and then died to the pinwheel of peace. I'm thinking about putting Ran aside and coming back once I've gotten better at movement by playing some of the other games.

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>>28244998
>>28245374
Thanks anons, I appreciate it.

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>>28266776
Both of those are actually really simple though. For Tenko, try to only ever move at right angles; having to escape diagonally just makes it harder. For the windmill of friendship and tolerance, once you figure it out or see it done once, it's completely free every time.
But if you're not feeling that stage, of course working on something else is fine too.

[Anonymous No.]

Practice mode in EOSD only gives you two lives? What the fuck, man?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28299138
It's a crusty game. If you really want more lives, just use one of those third-party practice patches.

[Anonymous No.]

just started playing 2hu EOSD for real after years of playing it casually.
what is marisa A for? i sort of get that reimu A is for homing, while reimu B and marisa A are similar in that they're for more focused damage albeit with stat differences between the two, but i don't get why i should use marisa A. i was thinking that the bomb might be the deciding factor but at this point, i don't see any differences between bombs aside from being a screen-clear option and deathbombing.

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>>28348702
typo, meant to say that reimu B and marisa B are similar. sorry about that anons.

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>>28348702
I used Marisa A for my first Extra clear. Her shot does higher damage but her bomb is worse, so it's a good fit for Extra.
The extra damage often doesn't make a difference, but it trivializes Royal Flare, and also makes Philosopher's stone notably easier. The higher damage might also let you skip a phase of Remilia's bat non-spell.
You're not wrong in that she's fairly similar to Reimu B and Marisa B, though.

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>>28349538
>The extra damage often doesn't make a difference
I disagree; even when it doesn't let you skip a whole phase, every second you don't have to spend dodging a spell card, especially in the Extra, is worth it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28348702
Dude based, I want to play EoSD too someday! ReimuA or MarisaB and you're lit!

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>>28349846
For spells that don't escalate in difficulty, a few seconds may not matter that much if you are already comfortable with the spell.
Thinking about it, Flan has a few spells that escalate, so you raise a good point.

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>>28349846
>>28350368
thanks anons! might try using her later if damage is her main point.
i feel bad, but i don't have a choice at my current grampa reflexes: i tend to cheese pic related and others (e.g patchouli's big bubbles) by beating the shit out of them before they can do the same salvo again. i can barely do this spell card even after watching replays that make a forward then right motion for some reason.
>>28350148
i suck at ReimuA because of this and can reach only around the end of patchouli's stage if i use her. they die too late so i need to suffer through the spell card more than once.

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>>28354552
I always thought of that spell card as one the more annoying spelll cards in the game; its so much more annoying than even most of patchys(at least for me).

How am I supposed to get to kaguya in IN with enough lives? I only managed to get to stage 6 once without using a continue and that was while I was still beating the game for the first time. I always end up losing lives to marisa and stage 5/reisen(either or depending on my run) no matter how much I practice. I at least hope that kaguya is similarly easy to erin so I don't have to get there more than once or twice(and hope for the game to not crash as it did when I got to erins last spell card the first time).

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>>28373562
>How am I supposed to get to kaguya in IN with enough lives?
Practice more. Bomb more. Use a different team so that you can face Reimu(?). Are you getting enough point items to get most of the extra lives? Are you using your bombs for each life?
I can assure you that it's not impossible, and you'll probably even find it easy if you keep playing.

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>>28373562
Just train more on Reisen, she's actually really easy if you have good memory and balls. Rest calm when she's throwing bullets at you and move at the last moment. On the other spells just make a mental note of all the dangerous bullets then just anticipate.
Can't give advice on Marisa, but practicing enough on Reimu without the stress of dying at tuis point of a run really helped me get the 2 or 3 cards I feared the most which means 2 or 3 bombs to use elsewhere

[Anonymous No.]

Got a 2cc of UFO today, felt pretty good
Am I ready to start gunning for 1cc or should I practice more? The part that kills me the most is the stage section between ichirn midboss to boss but I just can't get it down

[Anonymous No.]

>>28403411
If stage 3 kills you the most, then you're probably ready? Maybe practice that part, specifically?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28404054
It's the part just before ichirin where the fairies swoop in from the sides in a sideways-U shape, really tough to get right

[Anonymous No.]

>>28405095
Practicing is your best friend here

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>>28484269
Made it to Byakuren’s final spellcard, I managed to get that stage 3 section down, now its just a matter of fishing for a good run
It takes a toll on my nerves though, I have no idea how the shmup gods stay sane grinding for weeks on end

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>>28500003
not a shmup god, but grinding is more about staying fresh and focused. nerves should be different - they should improve the more times you get late in a run, since there's less pressure if it feels like just another attempt.

that said, nerves are a complicated "know thyself" issue, and if they continue to hold you back then you can look up techniques to keep your mind more on track and see what works for you. well, you can do that anyway, but it's probably just a case of needing to derp a few runs and then be fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28500003
>>28508490
This will sound dumb, but honestly playing 2hu helped me to learn how to control my nerves better. When I have stressful irl situations I think back to how I calmed myself while freaking out during hard patterns in 2hu and I immediately become more relaxed.

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>>28524917
Playing shmups is a lot like lifting weights for me, its strength training for the mind. I think the greatest skill I learned is being able to isolate problems and focus on them. They’re really good for helping you study efficiently.

[Anonymous No.]

What new things would like to see if ZUN did another photo game?
>three playable characters: Aya, Hatate, and a new character
>at least 150 levels for each character
>difficulty settings because every other Touhou game has difficulty settings
>spell cards that special bullets that that can't be destroyed by photos
anything else?

[Anonymous No.]

All I want is a Violet Detector sequel that also lets you play as Hatate.

[Anonymous No.]

Having trouble learning Mystia. Find her much harder than Cirno or Chen.

Spell Practice is such a great mode. Made learning the surfing strats for Wriggle much easier.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfuZEXMzhso&ab_channel=ScarletFlameFlandre

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>>28531581
I'm sorry but Sumireko has usurped the "purple dork with a camera phone" throne. Hatate's lucky Aya even let her cameo in AFiEU.

[Anonymous No.]

is there a single more KINO feeling than sacrificing your whole weekend to grind for a 1cc that never happens

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>>28606464
>started playing Touhou in august of 2019
>played on a near daily basis (some times I would go maybe at least a week without playing a game though)
1 year and 2 months later
>still haven't been able to 1cc anything
>unlocking Hatete in DS is the only noteworthy accomplishment I have ever made in a Touhou game
It hurts

[Anonymous No.]

>>28609276
It's ok anon, it's not a race. As long as you're having fun that's what matters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28610782
I do usually have fun, but it would still be nice to 1cc at least one game. However maybe the reason is because I'm also trying to NB it as well. I don't like using bombs unless the game is MoF or SA. The furthest I have ever got without using bombs is up to stage 5. I have the feeling that someday I will 1cc a game

[Anonymous No.]

>practice stage 5 in DDC
>lose all lives
>practice it a second time
beat the level, but lost about six lives
>practice it a third time
>beat it and only lost two lives on very the last spell card
Damn... I didn't think I'd get better at the game this fast...

[Anonymous No.]

>>28611318
I understand not bombing because you can cheese some games pretty easily just spamming bombs. Personally I dislike using bombs until I learn the patterns. Funnily enough I haven't even 1cced any game on normal but here I am trying to 1cc hard, for like 8 months. We will make it anon.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a better feeling than recovering and feeling in control of the fight again?

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>>28619167
>you can cheese some games pretty easily just spamming bombs
Exactly, which is why MoF and SA are my only exceptions because those games actually punish the player for using bombs

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>>28640329
MoF is one of the easier ones though
you get a metric fuckton of power which lets you just straight up bomb some parts while still getting all your power back

[Anonymous No.]

guess who just died twice in the UFO stage 6 portion and once to byakuren's opening nonspell
how I've made it this far in life without getting into a serious car accident is beyond me

[Anonymous No.]

>>28652289
As expected of a Koishi poster. Maybe start by learning how to use capital letters and punctuation.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a character with a similar gimmick to youmu in TD in any other game? I've not tried them all out yet, but I can probably safely assume that youmu in TD is the most fun character to play with. Also, fuck lolk and its micro-dodging bullshit.
>>28643255
They didn't even need to give that many since besides the sixth stage bosss last spell card (and possibly stage 4) you won't die more than once or twice. Is sanae the easiest stage 5 boss in the series?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28658067
Youmu also appears in WBaWC, and she makes the stage 5 boss there really easy

[Anonymous No.]

I'm so fucking tired of Fate of 60 Years

[Anonymous No.]

>>28686398
Good job, though.

[Anonymous No.]

i still suck at EoSD anons even after doing at least 1 normal run and at least 5 practice runs of stage 4 every night now. i do feel that i improved quite a bit and can almost do patchy's stage in a life or two. i usually die at the part before the mid-boss (green spam), the mid-boss (huge bubbles), and at the part after the first spell-card (red lasers, i think).
i started studying replays thoroughly a while back but really can't get into the movements. some are just too unnatural for a noob like me (e.g skipping cirno's first spell card and farming graze by just staying on top of her head). it's peak min-maxing but i'd prefer to just do it "normally" for now, whatever that means.
happy grinding anons and hope you get that 1cc soon!

[Anonymous No.]

>>28690598
Are you dying with bombs
If "yes" then you need to stop that

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>>28690598
Koakuma should be free, just practice her a bit. You know the large bubbles have quite small hitboxes, right? And even aside from that, there are huge gaps between them. Don't feel bad about bombing right before her either, since she drops a bomb anyway.

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>>28690747
usually i get to use up my bombs, save for the dumb times i die multiple times in a row due to being too careless. i always aim to deathbomb though (feels so fucking sublime when i pull it off). more often than not, i bomb earlier than later so my failed deathbomb attempts still save me.
>>28690839
i read something about big bullets being significantly smaller in reality. i usually pass through the white area of the bullet but usually mess up when she throws the other projectile. the replay i was watching toggled and untoggled the focus key to make a quick dash between bubbles but i usually ram into those blue pointy projectiles when doing it. thanks for saying she's a free pass when you bomb; never thought of it that way.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a consistent way to do Rorschach in Danmaku?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28691838
I would recommend you rather use a bomb on the books before her(if needed) and just practice her fight until you can consistently dodge her attacks; which you will be able to quicker than you may think(at least that's how it was for me). Also, if you do it right and learn her rythym well enough you will even be able to, practically always, avoid touching any part of the bullets entirely without even thinking. The kunais tripped me up a lot as well, but as long as you keep at it you will even be able to dodge them since they will be the only thing you will even need to worry about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28699863
*rhythm

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>>28699863
i think i got it now. haven't been hit by bubbles much today. now i get screwed over by patchy's red laser + projectile combo. thinking about it, koakuma and patchy's barrage in-betweens are pretty similar in that
>bubbles:lasers
>kunais:blue/red projectiles
hopefully i can do that part of patchy's the same way i did koakuma's. maybe i should focus less on the laser and more on the projectiles.
also i progressed much better today by just switching from keyboard to controller. holy shit movement feels much better. i can whiff around the stage carelessly now without thinking much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28203062
>>28235866
You can download the Roland SoundCanvas VA and route the midi from the game into it, you don't need an actual unit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28700744
Good job anon.
>maybe i should focus less on the laser and more on the projectiles.
Honestly what helped me is knowing that the lasers rotate 90 degrees every time. Once you follow the direction of the laser, the other projectiles mostly move out of your way.

[Anonymous No.]

does /jp/ use arcade sticks to play 2hu? i've been reading up on it recently and i want to try building my own custom arcade stick just for shmups. all i've gotten out so far is to use seimitsu ls-56 sticks with an octagonal restrictor plate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28704286
I use a keyboard, and I believe most people do. Not sure about what you need to do, but good luck!

[Anonymous No.]

I can’t do it bros...it hurts...

[Anonymous No.]

how the fuck do I 1cc Mystic Square (normal)

my best attempt so far was dying on the last second of the last spell of the last boss.

I consistently get to Shinki, but she is a beast, especially her demonic rape spells on PC-98 flashy screen. Wish it had practice modo to grind them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28704286
fuck, its in Akihabara, right?
does anyone know where exactly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28750050
Use savestates

[Anonymous No.]

>>28750050
You’re basically ready to 1cc, just keep grinding
You don’t get much resources in MS so its a lot about limiting bullshit deaths as much as possible

[Anonymous No.]

I have noticed every time I stop playing touhou I come back and seem better than I was before, but then I play for a while and get worse again. How can this be?
Also, what do you guys think is the best game to aim for a first 1cc in? I've been playing imperishable night lately but it seems a bit of a cop out due to the death bombing

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>>28753982
Mental fatigue makes it worse on your quick decision making. It's like how they have rest day for workout
Personally I think WBaWC has the easiest patterns, even before accounting for the powerups. LLS is also fairly easy and showering you lives and bombs for a safety blanket

[Anonymous No.]

>>28753982
Fatigue, emotions and expecting "that part" can fuck you up hard, this is how I hit the wall for 6 months on PCB.
I'd say pick the game you like the most even for weird reasins

[Anonymous No.]

I managed to capture Kanako's final spellcard on normal on my second time reaching it, but I still fuck up or just bomb through a lot of nonspell attacks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28755373
I’d go with this, pick the one with your favorite cast
The games are not THAT different in difficulty for it to really matter, you’re going to have to put in some effort no matter what so it may as well be with a game you like

[Anonymous No.]

>>28756462
Pretty much the same way my first normal MoF 1CC went (well, I didn't cap it, but I almost did, and I was going in completely blind). I'd guess it's actually not that hard on normal (and maybe hard). This was after bombing my way through Kanako's other spells, which I couldn't practice efficiently because lolMoF.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28753982
You should probably focus on actually getting a 1cc first and thinking about what is a cop out and what is not later. It would be pretty silly if you were to focus on being a hardcore 2hu gamer without a single 1cc under your belt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28757847
>(and maybe hard)
hard is hard. normal is much easier.
for efficient practice, try thprac.

[Anonymous No.]

I got a ps4 controller to replace my ps3 one, the clicky dpad is sooo much better

[Anonymous No.]

>>28704286
I converted my fight stick to a hitbox recently, and it's pretty comfy for touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

What is the longest you've spent grinding for a 1cc?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28770151
Imperishable Night on normal. Took me around a month. It was my first 1cc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28770151
SA on Hard, 2 months.

[Anonymous No.]

I got a new PC and don't have Touhou on it.
Where can I download all of the Touhou games quickly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28770151
Took me about four months to beat EoSD on normal. It was my first STG.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28770151
Still haven't been able to 1cc anything yet sadly. I feel like UFO on normal will probably be the first game I 1cc since I managed to get as far as stage 6.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28770151
Still haven't been able to 1cc any game either, but it's probably either going to be eosd(since I've played that the most) or ddc(I've only tried it once but I already got to stage 5 with only one continue which is pretty good; hate the gimmick of the 5th boss though)

[Anonymous No.]

>>28790046
>hate the gimmick of the 5th boss though
I unironically want ZUN to make more spell cards with gimmicky mechanics like those. Anyhow, I was able to beat stage 5 in practice mode and I only died twice. When Seija mirrors the screen, try moving only up and down, although I usually feel more comfortable dodging left to right even though the controls are reversed. When she turns the screen upside, try moving only left and right. I don't have any advice for the last spell card though, that one is a pain in the ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>28500003
And after much agony, finally over
I can say without a doubt this is definitely the hardest lunatic 1cc of all the games. Even more than LoLK as reimu. Sure you get a lot of resources, but gathering those resources can be risky, and the power drop can make things snowball out of control fast. And good god the spellcards are all nasty. LoLK and EoSD have some hard ones but there's also a lot of "breathers" in between, from Kogasa onwards its just nonstop rape. Although the peak craziness is never THAT high, I captured everything at least once or twice.

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>>28793029
UFO so far is the only game where I have been able to clear at least five stages without using clear continues or bombs, however I'm playing it on normal

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>>28794110
My advice to you is, prioritize routing the stages as much as possible. The stages are a huge filter in this game compared to others, you need to focus not only on just surviving but also milking as much UFOs as you can. With every UFO summon missed, the game becomes much much harder. Even resources aside, they are also immensely important for canceling some of the crazier stage sections without the need for bombing. Don't ignore rainbow UFOs for that reason.
Once you get down, practice the spellcards a lot. Personally whenever I'm tackling touhou games I divide them into three categories: Things I can and must be able to do without bombing/dying, things that can go either way roughly 50/50 (bomb on reaction), and things that the chances are so slim attempting it would just be an unncessary risk (bombskip). In UFO, murasa's second spellcard and basically all of shou's cards and byakuren's cards (with the exception of butterfly and magic milky way) ended up being bombskip material no matter how hard I tried to get it down.

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>>28794551
>(bomb on reaction)
I try to avoid using bombs at all costs and I was still able to beat the first five stages. If I can beat the first five stages without bombs then I'm sure I can beat the sixth as well, even though it will take a lot of time and practice. I have confidence in myself.

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Does anyone care about scoring on a difficulty below lunatic? Sometimes I end up going to collect point items a lot or prioritize whatever game mechanic but it always fucks up my 1ccs. Well, at least it's fun.

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>>28795676
There are WRs on the leaderboards for all difficulty levels so yes

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>>28795676
getting score is fun and makes me feel like I'm playing well so while I don't chase it much it is good to see my high score going up.

[Anonymous No.]

Who's the best player character?
Reimu, Marisa, Sanae, other ones?

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>>28800827
The one with the homing shots

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>>28793029
nice.
out of curiosity, and speaking of agony, have you by any chance played soew?

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>>28801805
Nope
I've heard it's really difficult however, is that true?

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>>28800827
Reisen

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>>28804399
Got the template of this one?

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>>28804764
Here you go

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>>28800827
Reimu B in Touhou 6, 7, and 8 (haven't played the others much). I'm afraid of losing my muscle memory if I try a character with a different movement speed.

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>>28605255
But Hatate is the better girl out of the 3.

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>>28640329
Those are the games that can be cheesed the most with bombs tho

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I don't think I'm good enough for the rest of the game but IM happy I can come back every now and then and do some progress!

[Anonymous No.]

I'm trying to get thprac to work with EoSD, but it keeps crashing with this error. I've followed the instructions in the readme (game version and .exe name should be correct) but no luck. It crashes the same way if I run it without thprac, with or without vpatch, the only way the game actually runs for me is the English patched exe. Is this a Japanese locale thing? What am I missing?

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>>28838248
Yeah EoSD is weird you need a japanese locale emulator to run it the practice patch

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>>28838248
like >>28838580 said (i still use applocale), but be sure the game exe is 東方紅魔郷 and not the mojibake that's in the thprac readme.

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>>28770151
LoLK on normal legacy mode with reimu (yes i know it's much easier with sanae and reisen)

even after i had 1cc'd most of the games on hard, that one was still a struggle. honestly one of the hardest video games i have ever played

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>>28838580
>>28839028
Applocale didn't work at all, but changing the locale properly kinda did, in that now I get the non-gibberish error message. This is through thprac, vpatch and the game exe is named 東方紅魔郷 now. Same thing if I just launch vpatch. What else could it be besides locale?

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>>28841249
Actually I managed to get it working, I was just really stupid and using the wrong exe, I got mixed up renaming them. Now it finally works, thanks for the help.

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>>28838248
For me, the version linked at maribelhearn.com crashes with a few games, but the latest release from github works:
https://github.com/ack7139/thprac/releases/tag/v1.10.1
(disclaimer: I just noticed that it was updated 4 days ago; I haven't tried the latest release, but I'd expect it to work.)

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>>28836228
How many scenes have you cleared without using cheat items?

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>>28836228
69

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>>28857684
69, the 3 hard ones plus 10-9, the second Byakuren spell and a Yuyu spell I'm saving for last.

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>>28857684
69. Missing the 3 hard ones plus 10-9, the second Byakuren spell and a Yuyu spell I'm saving for last.

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>>28860784
69? Damn, I only have about 13. As a whole, I've beat every scene except five scenes on last day and one scene on day 8

[Anonymous No.]

I've gotten to normal clownpiece in pointdevice mode. Should I save my remaining bombs(1.8) for junko or should I rather care about beating clownpiece with my sanity intact(I've already died over 100 times to her first non)?

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>>28881948
You don't have many bombs so you might save a significant amount of time by just starting over.
If you really want to continue this madness though, bomb either clownpiece's first or second spellcard and then save the rest for Junko's final

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>>28882051
Thanks, I think I will probably save it for the second since it seems like I might be able to get through the first in a couple hundred tries.
>might save a significant amount of time by just starting over
I don't think I can go through stages 2-4 again(I've never hated a stage 3 boss' non so much)

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how does ZUN do the backgrounds of the stages? is it just videos of 3D things he modeled or images edited through photoshop or what? sorry for this question in this thread. While I was playing I got curious about this and I didn't want to start a new bread.

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>>28883734
Pictures of real life things/places photoshoped into oblivion

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>>28793029
And did the extra stage for the hell of it
I really liked this fight a lot. Is it just me or is that last survival card really nasty though?

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>>28883734
If you look into the .dat files, you can see that each stage's background is made up of a handful of images, which are filtered and rendered onto 3D surfaces dynamically. Same for spell card backgrounds. Some of them are filtered stock photos/textures, others he draws himself. The 3D effect is really simple, it's just a bunch of flat surfaces, so if you look too closely it's like cardboard cutouts swaying around. They rely on motion, blurriness, clever compositing, and not being the center of attention to look good.
Pic related, it's the entirety of the background for Eiyashou stage 1.

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>>28885702
It's nasty, but you can kinda manage most of if by muscle memory, if you're calm/focused. I still need a bomb during the last seconds though.

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>>28888254
Getting chased by those flaming cheetos is pretty nerve-wracking, ZUN really nailed the "fear factor" for this entire fight pretty well.
The card where she chases you with a giant black cloud of danmaku may as well have been another survival on low power and gave the same effect

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>>28888904
Yeah, Undefined Darkness caused me to panic in fear too. I only captured it once and messed up every time, after that. It's a nice boss fight. I would play it more if the stage portion didn't cause that much frustration to me.

[Anonymous No.]

Finally got my first hard 1cc after almost giving up in stage 5.
What's next?

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>>28893612
Have you done extra and phantasm?

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>>28893612
Congratulations!
I just did Touhou 8 afterwards. Then 9 and 10. 11 will be done shortly. If you can manage 7 on Hard, you are ready for more Hard 1CCs.

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>>28893612
Good job keeping control anon, clutch is a skill unto itself
I recommend the extra stages as well if you haven't played them already. Touhou 8 and 10 are also chronologically next in line and pretty comparable in difficulty if you want to take baby steps. Or just say fuck that and do whatever your favorite game is

[Anonymous No.]

Tips for learning 12.8 better? I feel like I get the general idea but think I'm missing out on how to build motivation and ice charge in some way

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>>28944690
>how to build motivation and ice charge
Freeze large areas of the screen, graze, and don't shoot if you're not hitting an enemy.
In general, the game just requires very specific routing, and is unforgiving if you slip up. Keep on practicing.

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>>28893612
congratulations anon!
I was trying to 1cc hard PCB for a while but decided to go for IN instead. Just managed to get it too.

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Is there a fix for my savepoint in pointdevice mode being deleted? I sure as fucking hell can't go through all of that again.

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>>28966439
What happened, exactly? Since Touhou 13, your save data is contained in
drive_c/users/[username]/Application Data/ShanghaiAlice
rather than the game directories themselves. This means that if you have multiple users on your computer, each one will have their own save data.

[Anonymous No.]

Not directly related to gameplay, but do Japanese use the name "Spell Card" in English or is Spell Card the English traduction of whatever they use ?
Wondering if the term should be translated when talking about Touhou in my native language.

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>>28967015
>What happened, exactly
After quitting the game like always, I found the game starting on a lower resolution than normally (even though I selected a higher one) and my savepoint being gone. The 5 stages and my scores are still there on practice mode, but my savepoint itself is gone(without me ever being asked if I wannted to continue from it or not). I restarted the game, this time it started on the correct one, but it's still gone. I'm always playing on the same user, so that shouldn't be an issue

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>>28951429
For 1cc on IN it doesn't matter if you beat the last 5 of Kaguya's spell cards or? Just got to 4th one until "Daybreak" on Hard.

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>>28983668
Yeah, if you get pass Rainbow Danmaku you get an 1cc

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>>28984153
Alright, nice. I haven't played Touhou games since 2017 and I'm surprised to know I still got it, even though I just started yesterday again. I got to Hard back then and beat the extra stages on the games. Guess it's all muscle memory. Going for Lunatic this time though.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone here had beat touhou with a gamepad?

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>>28990477
More people than you think

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>>28990492
Okay. I'll switch to gamepads from now on.

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>>28967202
If only there was some sort of english touhou wiki on the net, with a page on spell card and stuff...

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>>28992917
Good thing we'll always have spoonfeeders though.

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>>28993075
If he could read it he wouldn't be asking to begin with.

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After 10 years of knowing about the series and 1 year of being a secondary, i finally got EoSD. Cant even 1cc easy. How much am i gonna fuck up bros?

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>>28997251
Don't worry, everyone starts somewhere. Besides, most people don't have experience playing STGs. It's not like RPGs or action games where you learned to play as a kid and now it seems like second nature. Give it some time and patience and you will improve.

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>>28997251
That's normal.

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>>28997251
Not at all, just give it some time. I bet 1ccing easy won't be much trouble at all for you in a couple weeks.

[Anonymous No.]

any way to get spell card practice/extra lives for pcb extra/phantasm?

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>>29008653
Use the universal practice patch
https://maribelhearn.com/tools#practools

[Anonymous No.]

What's the best controller to play Touhou on?
I'm currently playing it on a switch controller that has a broken hull so I am considering buying a new controller.

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>>29017394
Xbox 360

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>>29017394
Keyboard is probably the best. Maybe a hitbox if you want to be super elitist.

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>>29017394
i have this problem as well. i've been searching for a controller with the perfect dpad but haven't found it yet. so far i tried the following:

>ps2 controller - thought the dpad was good (nostalgiagoggles) but felt pretty mushy and not as comfy for diagonal movement
>ps3 controller - don't remember this much as i didn't use it much for 2hu but pretty similar to the ps2 controller, mushy
>ps4 controller - better than the aforementioned two, the dpad is more clicky compared to before and doing diagonals is better now
>xbox 360 controller - definitely the worst dpad of the bunch, have terrible flashbacks with pressing LEFT then the controller registering UP due to the way it's designed; it's like they made an analog stick into a dpad and is kinda mushy
>xbone controller - BIG improvement over the x360 controller but still not the best dpad; is now clicky but for some reason movement feels bad in the long run
>8bitdo sn30 - meh dpad, thought it was great since i liked it is a boy but it's the not the best. feels too stiff since you have to go press "farther" to do diagonals (not sure if i'm making sense). i like the buttons though and it feels comfy for my small hands. mushy dpad.
>8bitdo m30 - sega saturn dpads were always meme-d around as the GOAT dpad. i recently bought one and it's actually pretty good for 2hu. i like the position of my fingers and hands. the "a" button placement is natural for me and sizing is larger than the average controller button so you can rest your hand there while using the trigger to focus. was absolutely disappointed at first since the buttons were fucking mushy but i got used to it. there's an official sega licensed saturn controller but the web says 8bitdo's is better.

i haven't tried an arcade stick yet but if ever you're going to build one, the meme-d around STG good ones are LS-32 and LS-40.
keyboards, i suck at this but some said going mech gave them better control over the game but i don't know if it's some sort of placebo or something
tl;dr: 8bitdo m30 > ps4 >>> xbone; keyboards and arcade sticks are fine too if you give it a chance. i just wished they made a controller with a dpad similar to the GBA SP or the PSV, those were the best.

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>>29025687
Maybe if I had a keyboard with higher rollover

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>>29030054
>>29031661
I think this is one of those things where the less you think about it, the happier you will be.
From personal experience, I can assure you that almost any keyboard will do, and there are godly players who use PS3 controllers, so that one is also good enough.

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>>29025687
>Maybe a hitbox
Does anyone here use one or something like it? It looks like it would be a fun project.
I've been playing R-type Final but I'd like to play touhou again, and I want to use a controller

>>29031661
N-key rollover is important, but you should have a keyboard that can do this anyway. If you don't, the bar is pretty low, check the /g/ wiki.

[Anonymous No.]

How difficult is ten desires on lunatic no bomb?

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>>29035061
My current keyboard has a rollover of 4.
I can't even press left and bottom at the same time. I works for the other combinations though.
Yea, some switch controller would be cheaper than a n-rollover keyboard.

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>>27772522
For some reason my AV shows it is a virus, why would someone put a trojan in a game about girls dodging bullets
https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/aea77df2177716e2928696163012d26ec7bcdb4f28e13fe89878971bdfd35542/detection

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>>29040200
Well im a damn retard and theres nothing wrong with that after all

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>>29040200
Malwarebytes says it's clean

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>>29035821
With trance it's among the easiest, and without trance it's still on the easier side. Miko alone makes up like 80% of the difficulty so practice her a lot.

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>>29042042
I just started going through it with the practice tool for the first time since I was a normal mode player and it seems ridiculously easy. Futo especially I managed a nmnb of after 3 tries which is just insane, I can't think of any other stage 5 boss I could get even close to accomplishing that with even after all the hours I've spent in the other games.
Kind of hilarious desu. You have touhou 11, 12, 14, and 15, which have crazy patterns nonstop, then this game in between. I don't really get what ZUN was thinking.

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>>29042273
11's also on the easier side at the LNB level (at least for ReimuA) but I get what you're saying. The "balance" zun put in place for TD is that you don't get as many resources as usual. A no bomb no trance run only gives you 6 lives or so whereas all other games give you at least 8, but in return the patterns are super easy. Go get that LNB and post it!

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>>29042563
I’m the anon who got the UFO l1cc a few days ago, I might be feeling a bit overconfident in the wake of that so we’ll see but I’m definitely going to try and make this my first LNB
I was considering PCB or LLS as well, but I see this as a nice excuse to spend more time with a touhou game that I’d otherwise never be able to. It has a nice OST and I like how it’s something of a “sequel” to UFO

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>>29032208
it's probably my dumb way to cope since i feel like i've been in a slump lately. i steeled myself to not play another 2hu game until i at least 1cc normal EoSD but for the past two weeks my gameplay was shittier: died a lot to dumb deaths to t-poser and even in cirno's stage. i feel like my "one game a day + practice stage 4 at least 5 times" regiment was failing.
i caved in and played PCB just now (since this was also my first 2hu game almost a decade ago) and damn i feel great. i reached up until the midpart of stage 5 on my first try and i felt like i had fun playing 2hu again.
i guess the QOL stuff helps (e.g boss marker on the bottom screen, visible hitbox) and i think others said something about a shift in ZUN's design process with PCB shifting the focus on slower but more intricate patterns? not sure, but at least i started enjoying the grind again.

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>>29042563
>11's also on the easier side at the LNB level
like hell it is. middling, maybe, but certainly much harder than, say, mof or ms.

[Anonymous No.]

What is the average touhou level?

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>>29068361
when I think of an average touhou level, I think of DDC stage 3.

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>>29068361
The average human probably doesn't even have access to a computer.
The average first worlder likely has never heard of touhou.
The average videogame player might have put a credit or two into easy mode, decided it's too much for them because they couldn't sightread it and gave up.
The average player that stuck it out and put in the time should have at least a single normal 1cc.

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck, I finally got through lolk's pointdevice mode. I don't want to believe that ZUN enjoyed himself when playing through this hell in pointdevice mode. Timeout spells are just evil; how can I be unlucky enough to die so often when the timer has reached fucking 0.00 and the bullets are already disappearing?!

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>>29081806
congrats anon
Clownpiece's first timeout spell is pretty tough

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>>29017394
I use Xbone, only because its got the best analog stick I have ever used, the rest of the controller is garbage

[Anonymous No.]

Hey /jp/, I'm having trouble. Recently my computer crashed while I was playing MoF's extra, and my save file got corrupted. I replaced it with a pre-finished scorefile so I could keep trying Extra, but with or without the new save it crashes every time I start a game, in any mode. Does anyone know what could be causing it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>29096129
I don't suppose log.txt says anything? Have you tried removing both the score and config files? Launching without vpatch?

[Anonymous No.]

>>29096419
I was actually able to figure it out just now; the hint file was also corrupted, and deleting that seems to let me play the game again.