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2762062 No.2762062 [Reply] [Original]

>heavy

Alright, I have two guesses as to what might be in this bag

A) Kinzo’s dead motherfuckin’ body if Kanon was the culprit or is being ordered around by the culprit than this would also be the perfect time to steal Kinzo’s ring.

Or B) someone is hiding inside the damn bag. Alright, this is definitely being brought to that garden house where the victims of the first twilight were found, right? Now isn’t this the perfect time to see if you would fit inside the damn thing and walk back with Kanon? Now your probably wondering what I meant by ‘fit’ now, eh? This would be where the culprit hid after bringing all the corpses into the garden house if he hid at all.

Personally, I don’t think Kanon’s the complete culprit even with my two theories against again I mentioned he was probably being ordered to do it. In other words Ryukishi just WANTS me to see this when really it is someone else behind the action.

Post things you notice in Umineko just random things that could be important I have two big ones with Natsuhi and Genji.

>> No.2762073

>>2762062
And you couldn't post that in the other Umineko threads?

>> No.2762070

Ah yeah I forgot too mention after you start replaying Umineko you start to notice a lot of things that could be counted as 'suspicious'.

>> No.2762107
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2762107

Isn't there TWO places the master keys cannot enter? How come Genji did not mention the Church? Was he TRYING to get everyone into Kenzo's room?

>> No.2762125

Uh... I don't have a picture but when Kanon opened the door into Eva and Hideyoshi's closed room he used a wire cutter said wire cutter was never mentioned after and I say the door was opened when he got there.

>> No.2762136

>>2762107
Good point. Maybe Genji is the mastermind. A revenge against the Ushiromiya family for the ages of unpaid service... maybe.
He didn't do anything in all the Eps, he just waited and died everytime... very suspicious.

>> No.2762139
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2762139

This is after Natsuhi 'seen' the Gold that Krauss had which either means she is lieing about the gold or the gold doesn't exist in the first place. I say the latter.

>> No.2762140

>>2762125
And didn't it cut through the chain so easily as if it was "already cut" beforehand?

>> No.2762141

>>2762107
Whoops, misspelled Kinzo.

>> No.2762142

>>2762107
The church has a lot of windows on the ground level, while Kinzo's study is on the second or third floor. You could therefore still enter the church by breaking a window even without a key, should you so desire. Genji is correct.

>> No.2762153

>>2762062
Could be a red herring. A big bag of fertilizer is pretty heavy.

>>2762107
Probably. We've been thinking Genji was up to something ever since Ronove was around.

>>2762139
Natsuhi has pretty good motive to be discreet about money. Everyone does. It's money.

>> No.2762157

>>2762125
that "closed room" isn't closed at all if genji or kanon kills them off, no one besides those two can verify that they didn't cut the chain before they decide to find the bodies

>> No.2762165

>>2762142
Just to add, these are also large pane or stained glass windows from the descriptions in the game, so it would be monstrously easy to get in. The only reason the church murder is a closed room is because none of the windows were broken.

>> No.2762176
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2762176

Even though this should be the most obvious but why the sudden change in sides obviously the please find the truth means she never seen the culprit herself but this definitly means she somehow got all the way too the beach and let the bottle go. Though, there is no proof Maria wrote this.

>> No.2762180
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2762180

The entire thing is actually a computer simulation run by Beatrice, who is actually a malevolent AI, intent on torturing the sole surviving humans for eternity,

>> No.2762184

>>2762176
It was written by the small bombs!

>> No.2762187

>>2762176
Uh, did you play Episode 4? We know Maria didn't write this. "Beatrice" did.

>> No.2762189

>>2762165
Yeah, but if they were hiding in the church they would here it break. But the original question was 'are there any rooms in this house that the servants master keys do not work on' in other words he is hiding one.

>> No.2762191

Bags don't work that way. You cannot fit an entire adult body into a bag of fertilizer

>>So he cut the body up, dumbass

Kinzo's body was discovered in one piece

>> No.2762195

>>2762176
There is no proof Maria wrote it, but if she *didn't* write it, it means whoever did write it wanted the finder to think that Maria wrote it.

>> No.2762196

I like to believe since Battler didn't move around or confirm any deaths on the first day that everyone just decided to go on an all out brawl on the first day. The only things confirmed in episode 4 was that Kanon was the 9th to die, whatever that means, and that Kyrie was still alive until the last call. Kyrie was the only one Battler talked to so the other 4 could easily be dead, or someone else pretending, especially Gonda and Kuwasawa who could easily lie and say the person on the phone is xxx or yyy. I think episode 4 has alot of hints to the true story then it seems but it'll be pretty hard since everything is up to speculation.

>> No.2762201

>>2762195
And the point of that would be what? Beatrice's real name is Maria

>> No.2762207

>>2762191
A big bag of fertilizer may fit an adult male it said in Umineko 5,10 is tall for the Ushiromiya's.

>> No.2762212

>>2762189
If that is the original question then he is hiding nothing, because the church is not in the house. If you say he should have said something about it anyway then make up your damn mind, he should either infer things from statements or not. Either he should have said "Yeah, you can't unlock the church either but it's not safe because it's lined with large pane glass windows that people can get in through easily." or he should have said exactly what he did, because Kinzo's study really is the only safe place. Genji may well be in on it, but trying to say that his statement there means anything is ridiculous.

>> No.2762213

>>2762189

The way it's stated there, it's merely, "rooms the servants' keys can't open," rather than "keys not openable by a master key." The key to the chapel is not a master key, but it's probably originally contained in that box of keys in the servants' room, much like the key to the gardening shed.

>> No.2762215

>>2762207
Can anyone get how fat Kinzo is this could possibly help us prove this....

>> No.2762223

>>2762195

I'm still thinking that the "Beatrice" who wrote it is Maria's incarnation of Beatrice, or maybe her 'kihihihihi' personality. Either way, I think it was Maria who physically wrote it.

>> No.2762238

Yeah but even Knzo's room is not safe if someone takes a saw and cuts through the floor I'd bee shittin' bricks if I see a saw come out through the floor of my house.

>> No.2762240

>>2762238
Now you're just trolling.

>> No.2762248

>>2762238
Alright, the culprit is trying to make it look like magic not scare the shit out of everyone and put their head through and say something like "here's Johnny" like in Short Circuit... I can't believe I just answered a troll.

>> No.2762249

>>2762240
Gas or fire/smoke would be a possible solution.
I don't know if a single window in a cyclone makes for enough ventilation.

>> No.2762262

>>2762223
Maria, nine year old master of forgery is about up there with Jessica, master of disguise without even being in disguise.

>> No.2762284

>>2762262
But isn't that Shannon or Kanon?

>> No.2762295

>>2762262

Maria, nine year old master of Hebrew.

>> No.2762301

Heh, as if Maria or Jessica can compare to Battler=Beatrice, the 6 years of secretly mastering the arts of small bombs

>> No.2762333

>>2762070
>>2762107
>>2762125
>>2762136
>>2762139
>>2762176
>>2762207
>>2762215
>>2762238
>>2762248
Please, stop posting.

>> No.2762334

>>2762295
Nine year old master of a few select, specific Hebrew phrases recorded in her journal to memorize. Totally different ball game.

>> No.2762355

>>2762334

True, the point is, I don't look at it as if she was forging something, more from an occult viewpoint. Say they're both by 'kihihihihihi' Maria, as well as those 'writings' Beatrice put in Maria's notebook.

Each bottle is from a different kakera, and neither is a lie.

Now, avoiding the occult angle... Yeah I don't think Maria wrote those. I can't say she didn't write them, but if she did, it'd have to be at someone else's direction, and probably deposited into the ocean by that other person as well.

>> No.2762386

>>2762262
I've seen this argument a lot, and if you're talking about the Ep4 Beatrice balcony scene, I think you should reconsider. The typhoon is still going on, AND it's at night. "She's blonde" is about as much as you can hope for description-wise, and not recognizing the voice is believable too.

>> No.2762396
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2762396

There are also ironies you pick up on in a second playthrough.

>> No.2762410

Battler says, explicitly and with no hesitation, that he recognizes her by her face, the same as in the portrait. If he said something like "I can't see clearly, but she looks like..." it'd be different. And why, exactly, would Jessica's big disguise as Beatrice just be changing from one school outfit to another schoolgirl outfit? Come on.

>> No.2762419

>>2762410
Not to mention this theory would involve both Rosa and Kyrie in Episode 2 failing to recognize Jessica In A Different Schoolgirl Outfit without the benefit of distance or a typhoon.

>> No.2762420

>>2762419
Neither of those had to happen that way; they're not game-Battler narrated.

>> No.2764849

I don't know why, but I've always thought that Jessica's asthma is suspicious. Is anybody capable of setting out a theory about it? Smalls bombs must be involved in some way.

>> No.2764897

>>2764849
She is the killer, she put the small bombs in the food, but one of the small bombs explodes almost in her face, she breathe in the smoke of that, and voila, the asthma attacks starts. Also small bombs are the key to the golden land.

>> No.2764918
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2764918

>>2762062
Kinzo comes in small bags?. Unlikely since there's many of those and his body is found whole. Unless it's not his body!

>> No.2764953

>>2764897
Asthma doesn't work that way.

>> No.2764958

>>2764849
I imagine her asthma probably has some part in how she's really killed but I don't know if that makes her suspicious.

>> No.2764974
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2764974

>>2764897
Thanks. I knew it was something like this.

Also, I just realised how stupid the Ronove vs Jessica. An asthmatic girl was going to win an endurance contest with our sexy butler? I don't think so. She'd probably have an asthma attack and die. But yeah, it never happened so it's all right!

>> No.2764993

>>2764974
An asthmatic girl being the lead singer of the school band?

>> No.2764997

>>2764918
It could be Battler's body.

>> No.2765001

Well looking at it that way, it seems possible that Jessica fakes the asthma, with some support from Nanjo.

But why would she do so?

>> No.2765015

>>2764993
Pettan pettan tsu*coughCOUGHcough*.

Maybe he doesn't know how asthma works. But overthinking about little things like this is really fun.

>> No.2765050

*wheeze**wheeze*
Come to the Dark Side Battler!
No! You killed my sister!
No. Battler, I AM your sister!
NOOOOOOOOO
Tsurupettan strikes back.

>> No.2765064

The biggest wrench in the Jessica = Beatrice theory is Nanjo's death in the third game.

>> No.2765100

Did anyone notice the eye's colour?
In the normal people they're black, in the witches and demons they're blue, and in the furnitures they're red.
Shannon and Kanon have they black, because they where humans at the beginning.
Maria and Ange have they between blue and black.
What do you all think about this?

>> No.2765114
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2765114

>>2765100
And in anime, everyone will have blue eyes anyway.

>> No.2765119

>>2765114
But the anime is gonna suck very much

>> No.2765137

>>2765119
You are an expert. Seriously.

How many minutes you've already seen?
God, I really hate all the pessimistic baw-faggots.
There are already enough fags who hate Umineko so much and have that boredom to crush other's enthusiasm and also there arefans who crying about it.

When they cry...

>> No.2765155

>>2765100
Full intention by the author.

The furniture demons like siestas and purgatory nee-chans represent weapons (or other items), so they have red eyes.

Demons and witches with blue eyes represent the counterpart of one of the humans.

>> No.2765177

>>2765114
Except for, you know, George, Kinzo, Krauss, Natsuhi, Eva, Hideyoshi, Rudolf, Kyrie, Rosa, Genji, Gohda and Nanjo.

>> No.2765181

>>2765100
I think that human characters' eye colors don't mean anything but non-human characters' represent their vessels.

If it's blue, his/her vessel is a creature.
If it's red, his/her vessel is a non-creature.

>> No.2765204

>>2762176
Well it was said in Episode 4 that whoever wrote that Beatrice signature in Maria's grimoire wrote the letters. And it was apparently too different from Maria's handwriting.

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