/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Well, think about it this way.

Since, when she stops time, time stops for everyone else, but continues for her.

Sakuya is going to become old and saggy long before anyone else.

[Anonymous No.]

The reverse.

She will remain young forever, since time is halted for her whenever it's moving for everyone else!

No, this doesn't make sense.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Time doesn't make breasts sag, gravity does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755082
0.99c

[Anonymous No.]

Good riddance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755098
You're the only one here talking about breasts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755070
She won't grow old if she becomes a vampire.

Just another reason, upon mountains of other selfish reasons, for Remi to bite her.

[Anonymous No.]

Remilia said this somewhere, yeah it is canon. Indeed Sakuya will grow old faster thanks to this.

[Anonymous No.]

Remi can always buy another one of the mass produced Sakuyas available in Eirin's Corp.

[Anonymous No.]

Going by PMiSS, she can manipulate time so she's effectively young forever anyway. Her ability isn't just "stoppping time", remember.

[Ｍｏｒａｌｆａｇ Ｐｒｉｍｅ !yakuLT8ZtE No.]

Pads dont sag.

[Anonymous No.]

Well, she could fast forward time so everyone gets old as fast as she does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755146
Stop saying stupid things please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755147
>Going by PMiSS, she can manipulate time so she's effectively young forever anyway. Her ability isn't just "stoppping time", remember.
You didn't read it very hard, did you.

>However, it is generally rather difficult to revert things that have already happened.
>Things that have been, for example, destroyed, burnt down, or eaten can not be turned back even if time is reversed.
>Reversing time only has an effect to the extent that things that have been moved return to their original position.
>Effectively, you can say there is no reversing time.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

Before anyone attempts to provide a definite explanation of Sakuya's ability, keep in mind canonically nobody knows not only who, but *what* Sakuya really is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755188

>She claims to be in her late teens, but this is unlikely judging by her refined manner and the level of her abilities. Rather, she seems to be a human who has been living for hundreds of years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755222
>speculation

Fixed

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755217

>canonically nobody

>Eirin is very surprised to see Sakuya, but only Eirin knows the reason why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755217
ZUN stopped caring about her a long time ago.
She's just a Belmont/Dio fusion

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755224

>speculation based on speculation versus speculation
>this entire thread is about speculation

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755229
>still more speculation

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755188

What has reversing time got to do with slowing aging, precisely?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755229
Eirin is the oldest Touhou, isn't she?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755235
>>2755234
lol'd

Everything about Sakuya other than that she works for the SDM and has some form of manipulation over time is speculation, essentially.

[Anonymous of Austria No.]

>>2755239
Eirin or Tewi, but probably Eirin

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755235

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_solution_fallacy

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755235

It's not speculation. Eirin's profile says she was surprised to see Sakuya.

WHY, however, is speculation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755250
That's what I was referring to

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755248

Tewi is at least 1300.
Eirin is at least 1500, and implied to be considerably older.

Eirin's older.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>2755229

Well, then... to use a more specific wording, no explanation is provided to the reader.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755257
She is supposed to be 5,000 years old.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755249
It's up to the accuser to prove why it's a fallacy.

Eirin could be surprised to see Sakuya for any number of reasons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755270 It's up to the accuser to prove why it's a fallacy.

>Since it hasn't been explicitly stated, we can't talk about Sakuya and come upon answers which we know to be 100% true.
>Therefore there is no point talking about Sakuya.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_solution_fallacy

Note also that appeal to ignorance is also a fallacy.

[Anonymous No.]

Who would win in a fight, Sakuya or this guy?

I mean, it seems like a no-brainer at first, but think about this... He can rewind time even after his own death.

[Anonymous No.]

When are people going to realize that it doesn't even matter, ZUN just makes up random abilities/attributes that sound cool whether they make sense or not. "Hey, this girl, she's from the moon! And on top of that, she's 1500 years old. Sugoi sugoi." I mean just look at his writings, it's just a bunch of dumb shit that sounds cool. I don't understand how people can enjoy arguing over this kind of thing so much. Explain it to me, oh professional Touhou debaters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755070

But it'll never happen either way because I really can't image ZUN aging his human characters by a significant amount.

For what it's worth though, we've got Eirin, Remilia, Patchouli, Yukari and so on with potential solutions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755290

Sakuya kills him and stops time.

He never revives because time never moves.

INSTANT VICTORY

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755290
Game sucked

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755296
you suck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755244
we don't know, that she's really working there or not. Maybe she's manipulating Remilia from the backgroung.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755302
No, YOU suck

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755302

Your face looks weird, and you smell funny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755270 maybe it was for the first time that she saw a meido..

[Anonymous No.]

First of all:
Touhou characters don't get older.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755283
You're bad at this. In a perfect-solution fallacy, I would be saying it must be either A (she is a lunarian) or B (she is not a lunarian) based on the fact that there are very few facts about Sakuya. This isn't the case, I'm saying that we do not and can not know what Sakuya is based on the (lack of) evidence.

Similarly, an argument from ignorance has nothing to do with this
>a person regards the lack of evidence for one view as constituting proof that another view is true.
Haven't said that anywhere. The lack of evidence merely means that we don't know what species Sakuya is. Again, in an argument from ignorance, I'd be saying whether she was a human or not based on the lack of evidence.

Don't use pieces of formal argumentation where they don't apply, it makes you look like a nitwit

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755291

Taking Touhou too seriously is pretty pathetic, I'll agree seeing as it's a light hearted setting written by a usually drunk man who wanted to make a pretty bullet hell shmup game to his own ideals.

However, that said there is no harm discussing the characters from time to time and it can be interesting enough for fans so long as they don't get too uppity about the dubious 'canon' material.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755316
What?
Reimu and Marisa are like 20 something in the games now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755316

orly?

[A FRIEND OF SAKUYA No.]

I know her!

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

While I don't mind pretending to be all deep and wise sometimes, I don't really understand how a Touhou powers thread can turn into the rather vitiriolic discussions that pop up here occasionally.

Awesome knife-throwing, time-stopping, breast-padding maid and equally awesome Good Doctor of green shrooms from the moon. What's there to be upset about? Just shut off your brain for a while and enjoy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755351
Oh shut up Helen

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755322

But I'm not arguing that she either is or is not a Lunarian, or whatever, I'm arguing against all disussion of the subject being dismissed as
>still more speculation

Doing so implies that the only time it is appropriate to discuss the subject is when it can be proved 100% one way or the other; a perfect-solution fallacy. You may want to redo your reading comprehension classes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755351
>tripfag
Post disregarded
without discussion, why have Touhou on this board at all?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755351
Enjoy what? The games? I doubt most people on /jp/ do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755372
ha ha ha what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755367
Are you new here or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755377
Most of /jp/ users come here for the discussion, to make stupid threads as well as say stupid things and to make imagedumps that die after 2 hours without a single intelligent reply.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755366
What? No. I've never disregarded the subject. I AM however, disregarding the evidence of Eirin's encounter with Sakuya as evidence of her being either Lunarian or human, as it cannot be inferred either way from the evidence.

You may want to look into a certain "straw man"

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755382
u mad?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755389
Well, that's the average, we all know the average is stupid in anything that involves humans. So why not just filter all that background noise and concentrate on the good threads? For example, we got the Danmaku Threads. We got the occasional serious discussions that may even involve physics and such, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755291
You say "his writings" but have you ever seen one of his actual stories? It's the most low key long attention span shit ever. He makes the game dialog by rolling dice but then he spends 12 pages writing in painful detail about how ghosts work or the kanji in someone's name.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755400
That sure answers my question.

[CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM No.]

>>2755377
Most people have never played, or only played a little bit. The games are the least important thing as far as /jp/ goes.

Also, tripfags on /jp/ isn't something worth ignoring as they write most of the posts, like this one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755332
>Reimu and Marisa are like 20 something in the games now.
[citation needed]
>>2755340
>eosd-ufo
Here is the problem.

Also, don't seems that they are older in the pictures.

[Anonymous No.]

:3

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755411
>As they write most of the posts
http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/reports/post-count

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755397

Please point out to me the person using it as evidence one way or the other, because all I see it it being used as a springboard for discussion on the basis of "Something is weird here, what could it be, guys?", and you dismissing that discussion as speculation. You may want to look into those straw men yourself. As has already been stated, this thread is *about* speculation; as such, no-one needs to offer evidence, as no-one is suggesting that they know the answers, merely that they see a solution which fits the limited data available, on piece of which is Eirin's surprise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755416
No, but they really are 20 something. Following canon times through the games.The range resulting range in in 20 something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755416

Their faces are longer than the childish, rounded faces of EosD, they've lost some baby fat, and Marisa's bust has grown. Stop perceiving only what you wish to see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755411
They are also the most easily identified as idiots; as when they post something idiotic (as I think we can all agree they often do) that will become part of their identity for the rest of their existence on the board.

Anonymous posters, on the other hand, have to have all their posts judged on the content of the post alone, with no possible bias due to previous encounters.

Past this, they (as a group, generally speaking) are arrogant attention seekers. There is no other logical reason to use a trip on a board, and therefore down-to-earth tripfags are a rare find indeed.

[CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM No.]

>>2755421
Oh, only a little more till I hit OVER FIVE THOUSAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNDDDDDDDDD

XDDD j/kin ;p

No, really though, my point wasnt to be taken literal, but rather that if you skip over any tripfag posts you do end up missing a lot of the conversation going on. If you take everything you read/hear completely literally, enjoy getting nowhere in life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755437
>No, but they really are 20 something.
They aren't.
>Following canon times through the games.
If you want to follow canon, then, you need to Include the first games too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755450
I don't filter all tripfags.
Some are actually rational, like Helen and such.
The ones like you, on the other hand, are human scum that deserve no attention whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755461

>They aren't.
Wow, I hadn't considered that point. Good rebuttal, I'm convinced.
>If you want to follow canon, then, you need to Include the first games too.
Except the continuity was rebooted for the Windows games, and we both know that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755461
-They are

-They are

[CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM No.]

>>2755448
Lol, so basically you're saying Anonymous is no different from how they are in person when they post here. Too afraid to be noticed, looked at, or thought badly of - even online when no one knows who they are. So they post anonymously in order to be able to run away from any negative comments or attention they may get, telling themselves it's safe and just pretending it wasn't aimed at them.

Amirite? I believe I am, kind sir, now feel free to whine and moan more, not like I need to listen to the whining of someone who can't even bear attention on some anonymous image board.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755431
Before this argument turns into a completely hopeless tangle of logical formalities (trust me, I've seen many an argument become incoherent from this)
>canonically nobody
>Eirin is very surprised to see Sakuya, but only Eirin knows the reason why.
It seems to me that the second quote here is used to disprove the first. It doesn't, because the fact that Eirin is surprised and knows the reason why does not mean that she knows anything in particular about what/who Sakuya is.
If that's not the case with that post (as seems unlikely) then fine, I'm guilty of a straw man. On the other hand, my assertion that this kind of evidence is ultimately useless in arguing (even a little) one way or the other to Sakuya's species is valid (and certainly not the unrelated Perfect Solution fallacy)

[CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM No.]

>>2755464
>I only filter shitty tripfags
>replying to a post by CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755446
Because ZUN's art got better?
>>2755465
>Except the continuity was rebooted for the Windows games.
Actually, no.
There is no prove.

[Anonymous No.]

>CurryButt, Internet Psychoanalyst!

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755471
Looks more like you're the one whining.
You can't even make a single rational statement .

[Deafdefiler !bll4ybGPow No.]

>>2755471
I'm no different from how I am in person.

Well, maybe a bit more coherent. I have trouble talking to people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755477
Ever heard of the archive.
Believe me, YOU ARE filtered. I just happened to notice you in this one by accident, most of the time you're invisible to me.

[Anonymous of Austria No.]

EosD --> ~6 years --> UFO
The time for Mystic Square and EoSD is (about) the same. (ZUN wrote that. Look it up)
There are no official dates of any games prior to EoSD.
Arguing over their age is useless.
It is known that they are at least ~6 years older than they were when they were introduced.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755474

My impression was that it was used to point out not that we know someone knows the answers, but that we don't know that nobody does. We don't know why Eirin was surprised, and given that Sakuya is one of the more mysterious characters, it is not unreasonable to speculate that a potential reason for this is that she knows at least something about her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755471
>Lol, so basically you're saying Anonymous is no different from how they are in person when they post here. Too afraid to be noticed, looked at, or thought badly of - even online when no one knows who they are. So they post anonymously in order to be able to run away from any negative comments or attention they may get, telling themselves it's safe and just pretending it wasn't aimed at them.

Actually, no, so your entire effort in that posting is wasted. The whole point (if you weren't so terrible at reading comprehension) was that Anonymous posters are forced to have all their posts based on the merits of the post itself. If you want to criticize something, criticise the post, criticize the argument.
Having a consistent, recognizable "face" only serves to color people's views about your argument. People will be biased based on their past experiences of you, and won't judge your posts fully based on the post itself. It is in this way that tripfags are detrimental to any kind of discussion.

In short; Anonymity ensures that everyone can tell what is a good post and a bad post accurately without blind bias or prejudice.

[CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM No.]

>>2755494
Tsun-tsun :3c

I know you love me Anonymous, don't pretend to have me filtered and keep replying to me, if you're gonna try and be so tsundere you should at last be consistent~


As for everyone else, I said I'll ignore replies regarding that post so enjoy whining to yourselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755498
>(ZUN wrote that. Look it up)
Where?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755510
So tell me Curry. Who's running away and avoiding negative comments now?

CurryButt confirmed for senseless hypocrite, he's only proven my reasoning for ignoring (if not wholesale script-filtering) tripfags

[CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM No.]

>>2755522
I think /jp/ realized I'm a lazy troll by now, I typed a tl;dr meaning I don't have the motivation to reply to anyone in a real way anymore.

That's how it's always been. I only put in a minimal amount of effort on 4chan, putting in more than that would be a waste as I do fine at my job of making you all frustrated without trying :3

[Anonymous of Austria No.]

>>2755517
I told you to look it up yourself.

>Chronologically this title is not too far from the previous title, thus her age stays the same as before.
EoSD omake

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755530
I like your lazy trolling ಠ_ಠ

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755478

So any change in art is simply going to be dismissed as "lol, ZUN art"? Surely it is more unlikely to suggest that over the course of games that we know based on their seasons take place over ~6 years, that they DON'T look any older? Their whole point is that they are ordinary humans..

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755530
On the contrary; "discussions" like this only serve my aim of disseminating the idea that tripfags are harmful to discussion, often hypocrites, and intrinsically attention-seekers.

By this method, I can
-convince more people to ignore tripfag posts
-convince more people to filter some (if not all) tripfags
-by the previous two actions, improve the quality of /jp/ as a whole

Thanks Curry, you're my biggest help in this aim.

[CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM No.]

>>2755542
I know, me too, but I'm bored, hungry, and too lazy to get off my ass to eat and find something to do. Though I think i'll do those things now. Don't worry, my fun lazy trolling will be back soon - just like your mother came back soon for more of the Butt. HUIEHUEHUHEUEHUE

>>2755545
tl;dr, stop bothering to type all that when I'm not going to actually read any of it. I ignored that last long post too. This one >>2755506 If you really don't mind writing so much to have it not even skimmed over, let alone read, do continue. But to be polite I'll let you know I havn't read a word of either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755471

>Look at me! I'm a attention whore. Lets turn this silly argument about Touhou characters into a even more retarded argument about me and my terrible posting.

Yes. Lets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755543
hmm...
Marisa looks older in this pic too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755551

[Anonymous No.]

That said, the thread was going to shit without spawning it's own shitty tripfag. So with any luck we can put it to rest forever and maybe the OP will delete his thread for the inevitable meta-forum discussion it's degraded into.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755552
listen to
>>2755545

You can't make tripfags go away by telling them that they are fools, They already know this anyways. The best way to improve the board is to simply ignore them. The fewer posts have a double-carat quote of any tripfag's post, the better off the entire board will be. You can make this easier by script-filtering them, I don't do it myself, but it can help greatly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755421
>Let's Play some Danmaku. 870

Oh wow, that guy is taking it seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755551
>tl;dr, stop bothering to type all that when I'm not going to actually read any of it. I ignored that last long post too. This one >>2755506 If you really don't mind writing so much to have it not even skimmed over, let alone read, do continue. But to be polite I'll let you know I havn't read a word of either.

Stop pretending, you read the whole thing. I know the compulsion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755577

I don't filter posts on 4chan. Admittedly I generally agree with ignoring tripfags, but once the thread has derailed to that point it's pretty pointless and would rather goad the guy on to enshrine himself as a insufferable tripfag if he hasn't done so already.

This thread was long dead by the time people started arguing over 100% truth fallacies. The trip troll is just the last nail in the coffin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755586
best threads on /jp/ actually

[Anonymous No.]

>>2755637
>Sakuya thread ... best anything
oh u