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I am looking info about drug culture in Japan. Any thing will do. Book recommendations, online articles and personal experiences are all welcomed.

Fact and fiction will all do. I would like to read something similar to fear and loathing in las vegas but things taking place in japan.

>> No.2754664

I'm having a mental image of a bunch of japs smoking pot together, and it's possibly the funniest thing I've pictured in a while. Thanks, anon.

>> No.2754674

There was a thread somewhat similar to this a loong time ago. If you dig through the archives you might just find it.

>> No.2755500

Ryu Murakami's Almost Transparent Blue is cool story about young japanese kids doing drugs. True sex, drug, rock 'n' roll story. Under 100 pages so it is quick to read. There is really no plot, so stories kids having good time with drugs.

>> No.2755547

From what I understand, the whole drug culture thing is kept very quiet. Drug users are viewed as deviants, which is obviously looked down on in a conformist society like Japan. Asides from those who are in the culture itself, you would be unlikely to find anyone who would understand of sympathize, unlike here in the US, where you might find people who agree with casual drug use even if they don't use themselves.

>> No.2755616

Murakami's 69 is also a good book. Not really a drug story but it gives you climbses of japanese rock and roll revolution.

>> No.2755643

>>2755547
>Misinformation pulled out of my ass that a lot of people will believe.

>> No.2755661

Japan is Babylon.

>> No.2755673

Druggies can all face the death penalty or all I care.

>> No.2755698

>>2755673
It WOULD be nice to depopulate 75% of the planet, but i question your conditions for removal.

>> No.2755737

>>2755673
You realize alcohol is a drug, right? There's 99% of the population gone

>> No.2755769

>>2755737
And all we're left with are Muslims.

>> No.2755777

Nobody uses illegal drugs in Japan, you silly degenerate gaijin.

>> No.2755787

>>2755673
>I let written laws dictate my personal opinion

Fixed that for you

>> No.2755798

Japs don't need pot or any other drug.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm3798792

>> No.2755803 [DELETED] 

>>2755787
Sorry for not having a medical degree and therefore knowing what drugs are harmful to me and not. I guess being a drug addict let's you bypass this whole process.

>> No.2755807

There is no need to use drugs unless you are sick; that includes alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, and anything else out there. It can be argued that some of these have health benefits, but I can confidently say 99.9% of us here are not doctors and can not prove these benefits actually exist.

>> No.2755810

"A drug is not bad. A drug is a chemical compound. The problem comes in when people who take drugs treat them like a license to behave like an asshole."

drug-forum.com --> drug culture and start searching for JP releated topics. Lots of 'em there.

>> No.2755815

>>2755787
Sorry for not having a medical degree and therefore knowing what drugs are harmful to me and not. I guess being a drug addict lets you bypass the whole process.

>> No.2755830

>>2755807
It's sad that people actually think this way, whether you're trolling or not. Their lives must really suck.

>> No.2755838

>>2755807
> King of /jp/ !!N4vDj2gI/RZ
>that includes alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, and anything else out there.
Fuck off faggot

>> No.2755839

>>2755830
>Their lives must really suck.
Why is that? I'm an average /jp/er with above average health. How did I pull that off? By eating healthy and watching what goes into my body. What do I have to gain by allowing harmful substances to enter my body? Have you ever seen pictures of long term drug abusers?

>> No.2755844

>>2755839
My health is pretty lousy, though. I just don't want to make it any worse, so I avoid drugs.

>> No.2755846

>>2755838
Your government says it's legal so it must be safe to use as often as you like, am I right?

>> No.2755852

>>2755839
>What do I have to gain by allowing harmful substances to enter my body?
Mindless entertainment. /jp/ loves that.

>> No.2755856

>>2755839
Have you seen pictures of long term food abusers? Do you want to turn out like that? The answer is obviously to not eat.

Everything in moderation.

>> No.2755863

>>2755852
The product is pleasure; the payment is the rest of your life.

>> No.2755864

>>2755856
You are born addicted to food, water, and air. Shit sucks. That doesn't mean becoming addicted to another substance is a good idea.

>> No.2755865

ITT we take health advice from a VN reading, Touhou playing, anime watching basement dweller.

>> No.2755867

>>2755856
Food is a necessity, drugs are not.

>> No.2755868

>>2755864
There aren't that many addictive drugs, unless you're the type of person to get addicted to things easily.

>> No.2755874

>>2755807

benefits, like so many other things, are subjective. yes that includes the vast array of pharmaceuticals as well. if i told you that marijuana relieves migraine pain, and i could back this up with personal experience, would that not be a benefit? there is actual science as to why marijuana effects migraines, the primary reason being the expansion of blood veins throughout the body.

if you look into the various uses of marijuana you will find that the benefits far outweigh the consequences. i can say this all day long and no one will give two shits but just look at the research being done by the major drug companies with cannabis sativa it is hard to argue.

this is of course the exception to the rule in the world of illegal narcotics. the other notable exception being opium from which a wide array of pain relievers is created. recreational drugs such as shrooms, acid, and x have little marketable value as a legal pharmaceutical.

i do however question the opinions of people who have never experienced the effects of the drugs they so willingly degrade. knowledge can not be gained without first consideration and experience. the only illegal narcotics i partake in are the natural variety. shrooms, pot, salvia (legal), and if i can get my hands on it peyote.

to the best of my knowledge none of those are, in and of themselves, physiologically addictive and i will never condone the use of a drug that is. while psychological addiction can be just as powerful there are no harmful repercussions to the body if use is discontinued.

my .02

>> No.2755879

>>2755867
If food wasn't a necessity, people would still eat for pleasure. Not all of them would be fatties though.

>> No.2755881

>>2755863
>the payment is the rest of your life.
There is no such payment. That's only the case with the hopeless and wretched, for whom addiction has claimed their time and lives. Besides, blaming the substance (especially ones that aren't addictive or at least have barely any addictive effects such as marijuana) is like trying to convict a gun of killing someone rather than the shooter.

Trying to ban all drugs is mindless, they can be used for entertainment just like anything else. TV, video games, sports, radio, long walks on the beach, anything that doesn't fit your prescribed "usefulness"
It's awfully hypocritical of someone spending such potentially productive hours on 4chan to be criticizing a substance for someone else's apparent "wasting" of time

Like >>2755856 said
Everything in moderation, you wouldn't ban food just because there's fat people.

tl;dr King of /jp/ is a raging hypocrite

>> No.2755885

>>2755865
You know your opponent has hit rock bottom when he resorts to feeble attempts at discrediting.

>> No.2755887

>>2755885
You know your opponent has hit rock bottom when he replies to the one idiot and ignores all the crushing arguments against his

>> No.2755888

You don't have to go over board with drugs. I have been useing narcotics for several years and my life is just fine. I have a stedy job (6 years in same company). I have used numerous of drugs from hemp to LSD. I maximize my relaxation about once or twice a month. Still my body & mind are in fine condition.

... Well I mainly do hash anymore and HC drugs are behind me because I am not that young anymore :) But every now and then it is nice to go on acid trip.

What is your take on natural drugs like mushrooms ? Hokkaido is heaven of mushroom eaters. I go to hokkaido at least twice a year to get some delicious mushrooms.

>> No.2755892

>>2755885
It wasn't just an ad hominem, it was relevant. You're obviously not in any place to tell other people what to do in their spare time.

>> No.2755898

Lol at someone on /jp/ telling others what's healthy and what's not

>> No.2755899

>>2755888
>natural
Stop this. Natural =/= good. Poison is natural.

I'm all for drugs, but using "natural" as if it was synonymous with good is really annoying.

>> No.2755901

>>2755874
There's no reason to outlaw drugs as long as only the doctors prescribe them to patients willing to use them as prescribed. Also, you are not a doctor and your opinions on the usefulness of these drugs is invalid.

>>2755879
If food was not a necessity we would be having this same argument, but instead grouping food with drugs.

>>2755881
Drugs destroy lives, families, and whole communities. This has been proven countless times and can not be denied.

>> No.2755909

There's a difference between smoking pot now and then or enjoying other drugs recreationally and shooting dirty heroin into you veins five times a day so you don't feel like shit.
Not like most of you losers don't feel like shit anyway due to your "ronery".

>> No.2755915

>>2755867

i could argue the merits of this post until the end of time and we still would disagree. drugs can be as essential as food in many cases. have you not heard stories of people getting in crashes and the only thing that saved their lives was the level of alcohol, and the resulting tranquilizing effect?

I can already imagine the rebuttal: "they should not have been driving!!1!!11"

lets assume for a moment that the driver of both vehicles is sober but the passenger is not. in the instance laid out above could one not argue that alcohol, which you categorize as a drug, was the most important part of that persons life at that time?

can you imagine living in a world without pain killers for post op? where do the pain killers come from? the best medicines known to man are derivatives of natural substances. some of those substances are very powerful narcotic drugs. to say with finality that drugs, as they have been described in this thread, are not as important as food is utter fallacy. to say that drugs in many, nigh most, cases are not as important as food i will grant but nothing on this subject can be determined definitively because, as stated in my other post to you, the entire topic is subjective.

on this we will have to agree to disagree. i do feel sorry for you though. our time on this planet is finite. to arbitrarily limit your experience with such an extreme paradigm is unfortunate. in spite of my recreational drug use, my poor dietary habits, my consumption of copious amounts of alcohol and sodas, i still have a perfect resting heart rate and blood pressure. much of that can be attributed to genetics but a portion of it has a lot to do with the overstated stigma recreational drugs receive.

>> No.2755918

Worst thread on /jp/

>> No.2755919

>>2755887
Please, feel free to point out these arguments to me.

>>2755888
I've covered this, it will destroy you slowly.

>>2755892
I've had major surgery, I've had narcotics prescribed for the pain and I had no problem keeping it under control; in fact while I was on them I couldn't think of any reason why anyone would want to abuse them. I used them as prescribed and being a /jp/ regular that can do that while others can not does put me at a higher level then them.

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>>2755901
>Drugs destroy lives, families, and whole communities. This has been proven countless times and can not be denied.
Then prove it. You're begging quite the question here. For every person who has overdone it and sacrificed their health and well being for drugs, there is at least one if not more responsible persons who merely use drugs such as cannabis as a pass-time for enjoyment and do not let it interfere with their personal lives.
Back to the food analogy, there are plenty of cooks and "lovers of food" who despite their love to taste things (even when it is not immediately necessary that they eat so that they do not die of starvation, as you seem to imply is the only reason ever to eat) who are in good health, are fit, and do not let it interfere with their lives. Similarly, there are fat people and people addicted to food who let it ruin their lives. Nevertheless, we do not outlaw food or overeating.

One must try to solve the root cause of addiction (or obesity) not the drugs/cannabis that are only surface symptoms of a deeper problem.

>>There's no reason to outlaw drugs as long as only the doctors prescribe them to patients willing to use them as prescribed.
To be frank, fuck you. I am a human being, and as an independent human being I will be the final arbiter of what goes in my body and what does not.
>Also, you are not a doctor and your opinions on the usefulness of these drugs is invalid.
Neither are you, stop pretending to be such an authority.

>> No.2755931

>>2755919
>I've covered this, it will destroy you slowly.


YOU ARE NOT A DOCTOR, YOUR OPINION IS INVALID

>> No.2755934

>>2755901
The only community I can think of that drugs "destroyed" is the black community. And as Chris Rock says, "You make it sound like everyone had two lexuses and a swimmin' pool, then CRACK came and took it all away!"

>> No.2755938

>>2755915
Read my above posts. I have already said there is nothing wrong with using drugs as prescribed by a doctor. And yeah, the guy shouldn't have been driving and he probably would have been better off dead.

>> No.2755939
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2755939

Japanese drug culture thread?

That's my favorite next to the club hopping and "hey /jp/ how do I hook up with Japanese girls?" threads.

>> No.2755943

>Retard of /jp/ !!N4vDj2gI/RZ

>> No.2755945

"Worst thread on /jp/"

Thanks to that King-somethingsomethingguy. OP asked good question and it would have been interesting to see some real answers but insted this thread has turned to horrible debate if drugs are good or bad... OP didn't ask this.

>> No.2755953

>>2755945

As if the OP ever has control of the direction of a thread

>> No.2755955

>>2755924
Obviously, because food is necessary for being alive. I would be a lot happier if I never had to eat food. I wouldn't have to deal with hunger pains anymore or fat.

>> No.2755956

>>2755919
>Please, feel free to point out these arguments to me.

To a large, paragraph-size argument such as
>>2755881

a simple "DRUGS DESTROY FAMILIES" does not suffice as an argument

>> No.2755958

In all seriousness though, I'm studying in Japan this fall, and I'm kind of bummed that I probably won't have easy access to certain substances.

>> No.2755963

_____ are dangerous, and offer nothing to society. People who abuse them end up failures or dead. They should be outlawed.

Fill in the blank:
A) Drugs
B) Guns
C) VNs
D) Touhous
E) Opinions

>> No.2755970

"In all seriousness though, I'm studying in Japan this fall, and I'm kind of bummed that I probably won't have easy access to certain substances."

Hash is easy to score in ropping (if you live in tokyo) and it is not too hard to score anywhere else either. But remember pot heads can get 1-5 year in the slammer. Plus it is automatic expell from universitys if you use pot or other drugs.

>> No.2755975

>>2755807
>There is no need to use drugs unless <morally justifiable reasons>
no need to use porn, visual novels, video games, or television either.

>> No.2755976

>>2755963

What do a bunch of NEETs care about the good of society?

>> No.2755979

>>2755976

Exactly, sage this thread

>> No.2755981

>>2755963
The most Touhou could do you is give you carpal tunnel syndrome. Putting it on the same level as heroin is ridiculous.

>> No.2755984

Woha, I was gone for few hours and this is what my thread has turned in to :D For shame /jp/. Still, thanks for those two book recommendations. I have actually read Almost Transparent Blue and it was a brilliant book. I will check out 69 asap. Also thanks anon for the link (drug-forum.com)

BTW I didn't ask about the drug culture so I could score some smack in Japan. I am making paper on drug habits around the world.

>> No.2755988

There's a simple way to defeat any of King of /jp/'s arguments here
Replace the word "drug" with "alcohol" and put this argument in the context of the 1920s-1930s Prohibition period (yes, they had the same arguments we are having now)

Remember Prohibition? It didn't work. It created the very problems it sought to solve.
Poverty, Substance abuse, Death (often the bootleg liquor was poisoned from the cutting processes)
The conflict we are having here now is no different from the arguments about the sumptuary laws in the past. The only difference is the time and the name of the substance.

>> No.2755991

>>2755981

It says Touhous, not Touhou.

Abusing a touhou may very well kill you.

Similarly, You'll become either a ronery failure here with enough VNs, or just off yourself when you realize what a failure you are.

>> No.2755993

>>2755981
The most cannabis can give you is bloodshot eyes, putting it on the level of something like alcohol is ridiculous

>> No.2755996
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>>2755924
Everyone has heard at least one life story about someone who had abused a substance, legal or not, and it had ruined their lives. There are countless books, television shows, and movies that have documented this and I know you're lying if you say you haven't seen any of these.

>>2755931
Pic related.

>>2755956
I've already covered it.

>> No.2756005

>>2755996
>Everyone has heard at least one life story about someone who had abused a substance, legal or not, and it had ruined their lives. There are countless books, television shows, and movies that have documented this and I know you're lying if you say you haven't seen any of these.


Yes, I've heard one life story about some idiot in high school who overdosed and died.

Yet, practically 75% of the student body smoked weed and were doing fine in their studies, In fact, the ones who were doing the worst grade-wise were jocks who (reportedly) didn't do any drugs at all (not to imply a causal relationship, simply making a point).

One idiot's suffering a justification for banning a substance does not make

>> No.2756006

>>2755996

Hardcore meth usage is not even close to being comparable to psychedelic usage

>> No.2756009

>>2755981
touhou involves video games, fanart (porn and not), and doujins in large quantities all available for free. Someone can become addicted to any one of these forms of media.

>> No.2756010

>>2755991
No, ronery failures play VNs because they have nothing better to do with their time. It isn't the VN's fault that they are failures. Plenty of drug abusers are successful (you need money initially to afford recreational drugs, right?), so, obviously, it was the drug's fault their life went south.

>> No.2756012

>>2755975
When was the last time porn, visual novels, video games, or television killed anybody directly?

>>2755988
If the death penalty was enforced on every bootlegger as well as their customers, it could have worked. I'd rather not have this argument though because we could go on forever talking about what COULD have happened.

>> No.2756014

>>2756009
Psychological addiction ≠ Physical addiction. One has withdrawal and one doesn't.

>> No.2756015

>>2756012
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Two-Fanatic-World-of-Warctaft-Gamers-Have-Died-Becouse-Of-WoW-11821.s
html

If you say something like "their idiocy killed them", I say the same thing about drug abusers.

>> No.2756016

>>2755996
>>2756005
Furthermore, if it wasn't meth or heroin, they would have found something else to kill themselves with. There's a hole in their life somewhere that they are filling with drugs, the drugs almost never are the thing that made the hole. Do you really intend to ban every substance that can be construed as unnecessary or indulgent until all that is available to the human species is a thin, nutrient-poor gruel?

Hell, I say we should legalize cannabis just for that. Much, much, much, MUCH better that some dumbfuck is idling away their time with something safe like cannabis, rather than ruining themselves with something like meth

>> No.2756017

>>2754661

my flatmate's boyfriend was a dealer. we lived in osaka and he lived in tokyo. he drove every weekend bringing pot (kind) and x. occasionally had shrooms too.

another (gaijin) friend of mine had a qp sold to him in the middle of namba station. some guy just walked up to him and asked if was interested.

ps... expensive.

>> No.2756019

I say we vote for "king of /jp/"'s name to be changed to "Idiot of /jp/" , Yes?

>> No.2756021

>>2756010

A nicklebag a week is cheaper than a monthly cable/dsl bill.

>> No.2756022

>>2756012
as i recall, the lengths you would have to go to in order to be killed directly from marijuana use are almost silly.

>> No.2756024

>>2756014
Few drugs are physically addictive.

>> No.2756025

>>2756014
We've already covered that, many illegal substances have little or no physically addictive properties at all.

Paradoxically, many LEGAL substances DO have physically addictive properties, alcohol being the most obvious example.

>> No.2756029

>>2756005
So you acknowledge that there is a problem causing deaths, but you're just choosing to ignore that danger because some people are more responsible handling illegal substances and guessing how much of a dose will not kill them?

>>2756006
It's all the same when you get ran over by a druggie.

>> No.2756031

The Gov there cracks down really hard on drugs, even if its just weed. I guess way back in the day, there was a pot smoking subculture there before WWII.

I read that the most drug used there are uppers.

>> No.2756034

>>2756025
The fact that something bad is addictive doesn't justify another bad thing becoming legal.

>> No.2756035

>>2756019
How did he get to be king in the first place?

I didn't vote for him.

>> No.2756045

>>If the death penalty was enforced on every bootlegger as well as their customers, it could have worked. I'd rather not have this argument though because we could go on forever talking about what COULD have happened.

>implying that prohibition could have worked, and that the deaths of hundreds and thousands at the hands of gangsters and poisoned liquor is somehow justified by the ridding of a substance that is only destructive to some, and just a pass-time for most
>also implying that one could enforce that death penalty for bootleggers when someone (most in the case of Prohibition) could get away with it
>implying that the death penalty is justified for some poor man in the country producing a little alcohol to pass the time for some rich folk and get ones self out of poverty.

King of /jp/ confirmed for idiot.

Keep hanging on to those beliefs my friend, they will never make you right.

>> No.2756054

>>2756034
What, are you saying cannabis is physically addictive and "bad?"

Science disagrees.

>> No.2756056

"I read that the most drug used there are uppers."

Yup, it was huge scandal when polices started busting pot heads and it turned out that many of them were "important" people. Professors, sports stars, actors and etc. Latest scandal was the young super star sumo wrestler.

>> No.2756062

>>2756015
Weren't killed by it directly.

>>2756016
We don't know what "they" were thinking and neither of us can have an informed argument without knowing that. Neither of us can read minds.

>> No.2756064

>>2756029
When it becomes a 'problem' is incredibly subjective. People should have the freedom to choose what they do with their lives, some people will make mistakes, but that's how choice works.

>> No.2756068

>>2756035
This is a monarchy, not a democracy.

>> No.2756069

>>2756029
>>So you acknowledge that there is a problem causing deaths, but you're just choosing to ignore that danger because some people are more responsible handling illegal substances and guessing how much of a dose will not kill them?

For drugs like cannabis, you'd really have to smoke weed and eat no food for DAYS to kill yourself. For most hard drugs, those will harm you in the long run, but users generally know exactly the dosage they use. They're not guessing, implying that they do only damages your credibility, and it proves that you have little experience on the matter.
As inaccurately as you stated that dosage part. Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Idiots and people in bad circumstances will always find ways to kill themselves and make life difficult for others, drugs or no drugs. Making the substance illegal will always cause more problems than it will ever solve (it will rarely solve any)

It's not necessarily a "problem" if it causes deaths. Bridge construction causes deaths, Surgery causes deaths, Eating causes deaths. Drug overdose causes deaths. Banning these things will not solve these problems and are an insult to human dignity and intelligence by trying to protect responsible people from themselves when they clearly know what they are doing just because a few people will always die in the process.

>> No.2756073

more restriction would mean less of a market, but also a more profitable market that can fund a more dangerous market.

>> No.2756077

>>2756062
I'm sorry, but that's bullshit.

For Marijuana especially there are no direct negative medical consequences that justify its illegality, so why should we count indirect causes of death for it?

>> No.2756087

>>2756073
You don't need to say "could" it's a past tense

Prohibition was responsible for the violent organized crime of the 1920s
The illegalization of marijuana continues to help fund gangs and cartels in countries like Mexico, that cause chaos and many more deaths than the marijuana itself could ever hope to cause. It destabilizes the very society King of /jp/ seems to want to protect.

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>>2756062
This is how cool you are, queen.

>> No.2756090

>>2756077
Why indeed.
I think King of /jp/ realizes his arguments are more hole than they are substance by now. Like I've said, raging raging hypocrite.

First drugs his argument is that drugs cause indirect deaths and indirect suffering, then suddenly WoW deaths dont count because they're indirect.

>> No.2756098

>>2756069
Regardless, if someone was smoking marijuana or shooting up heroin if they got behind the wheel, worked with heavy machinery, or grabbed a gun deaths could be caused by their action.

>It's not necessarily a "problem" if it causes deaths. Bridge construction causes deaths, Surgery causes deaths, Eating causes deaths. Drug overdose causes deaths. Banning these things will not solve these problems and are an insult to human dignity and intelligence by trying to protect responsible people from themselves when they clearly know what they are doing just because a few people will always die in the process.

You give people too much credit, if you give them too much power they will run with it and abuse it; also wouldn't call it fair to compare the deaths of someone who chose to do drugs and someone who had died in an accident.

>> No.2756104

>>2756077
>>2756090
see
>>2756098

>> No.2756106

>>2756069
Banning cars will prevent deaths and I still don't see why the government hasn't done it yet. Must be because the car companies have them in their pocket.

>> No.2756112

Drugs, legal or not, are addictive, be it on a mental or physical level.
That is reason enough to not tolerate their use.

>> No.2756119

>>2756112
So again, the many have to suffer for the downfalls of the few?

>> No.2756120

>>2756029
The Internet, legal or not, is addictive, be it on a mental or physical level.
That is reason enough to not tolerate its use.

>> No.2756124

All things, legal or not, are addictive, whether it be on a mental or physical level.
That is reason enough to destroy the universe.

>> No.2756126

>Regardless, if someone was smoking marijuana or shooting up heroin if they got behind the wheel
Actually, I've been in the car with people who had smoked marijuana, Poor judgement on my part, of course, but they drove just fine, no swerving whatsoever. With that said, it's completely irresponsible for anyone under the influence of drugs to get behind the wheel or operate machinery. This is already illegal. We're not talking about the legality of driving under the influence of drugs, we're talking about the legality and the merits of the drugs themselves.
A pretty good comparison in California anyways is cell phones. Cell phones are pretty convenient devices, but in California it's illegal to be driving while talking on one unless it's a hands-free device. Reasonable, no? Cell phones have caused alot of deaths lately from engineers in trains texting, to dumb blondes talking on the phone while on the highway going 80, etc. You don't ban the phones because they cause problems behind the wheel. Drugs can influence your decision making when it comes to getting behind the wheel, but i'll get to that.

>if you give them too much power they will run with it and abuse it
Indeed they will, they'll try to restrict your rights and tell you what you can and can't consume because they (by this time I think it's obvious i'm referring to you) think that they're better than everyone else. You give people too little credit. A good part of the reason people get in bad situations like this with drugs is that they have to do them in secret.

>> No.2756127

>>2756119
That's exactly how it is. Gun laws ? Speed limits ?
Society is about restricting the freedom of many for the sake of a noisy few.

>> No.2756144

>>2756127
"Restrict" is not synonymous with "Ban"

One is a reasonable (to an extent) set of rules, one is fucking retarded and almost never works.

>> No.2756149

>>2756127
That's a mistake. The people who make up that society are being misled, going into deep denial, and many other things. That's not what society is about. Society is about people banding together to do what is impossible alone!

It is only the poisons of dogmatism and tribalism, producing such destructive concepts as government and religion, which have twisted human interaction into a thing of fear rather than hope.

>> No.2756150

>>2756126
Cars were just an example, the point was someone under the influence is much more likely to cause an accidental death by any means.

>> No.2756152

>>2756144
Drugs are restricted, not banned. As long as you have a valid medical reason, you can get any drug you want.

>> No.2756156

>>2756150
Care to cite any so I can shoot those down as well?

>> No.2756186

>>2756156
You haven't shot it down at all. People drive under the influence all the time without causing deaths, but that's hardly a reason to ignore all the accidents that have happened.

>> No.2756207

>>2756186
Well that's good, because that's not the reason I gave to ignore it. In fact, I didn't even endorse ignoring it.

Perhaps you should read my posts instead of disregarding them as "the ramblings of some hippie"

>> No.2756219

>>2756186
If you compare the number of people who cause death while under the influence with the number of death caused by people who are completely sober, you'll see the number is pretty negligible.

>> No.2756231

>>2756219
So you're saying you support those that drive under the influence? I don't see where you're going with that.

>> No.2756277

>>2756231
No, you strawman-spouting faggot, he's saying that the problem is hugely overinflated and exaggerated; not as much of a problem as MADD would have you believe. He never supported those that do it.

>> No.2756282

>>2756219
Which is why cars should be banned in general.

>> No.2756288

I won't be here for a while so don't be bothered if I don't respond to all of your future posts.

>> No.2756296

>111 posts and 4 image replies omitted.
DOHOHO

>> No.2756315

>Strait edge troll trolling idiots

Cool thread guys.

>> No.2756486

Whoever say their arguement in red first win

>> No.2756493

>>2756486
>>>/rs/Drugs_are_good_mmkay

>> No.2756496

After I read this thread, I understand while /jp/ would never able to get into the normal society

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>>2756493

>> No.2756509

>>2756496
Why? I actually thought their replies in this thread were quite "normalfaggish". I remember only a few months ago when someone mentioned drugs everyone would be all over it calling drugs normalfaggotry.

>> No.2756528

>>2756509
because that how you see "normal" from a basement?

>> No.2756533

>>2756528
I'm not sure what you're referring to. /jp/ being pro-drugs? Lots of people are.

>> No.2756540

>>2756533

hey, hey, hey

smoke weed everyday

>> No.2756558

i did shrooms last night, does that count?

>> No.2756560

Druggies are society's trash uguu~

>> No.2756587

>>2756560

NEETs are lower

>> No.2756594

>>2756587
I would say NEETs are higher uguu...they might not be helpful but at least they arn't harmful uguu....

>> No.2756600

>>2756594

I meant based on patheticness not harmfulness

>> No.2756605

>>2756594
Most drug users aren't harming anyone but themselves

>> No.2756612

>>2756605

I think it depends on social class. Niggers doing drugs is harmful because they're out on the streets. Most people just stay in their homes while doing drugs

>> No.2756616

>>2756605
It would be nice if it were true, but it isn't really.

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