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All 07th work: https://mega.nz/folder/wLxAFApJ#bw2evoJRzl6BDhlpadX1YQ

What's the next step to his master plan?

>> No.27506456

Satoko Punishment arc.

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Kanon in winter

>> No.27506767

>final episode of Higurashi Gou:
>rika breaks out of the loop
>featherine is waiting for her
>"my miko..."
>cuts to black and the executioner starts playing over the credits
>Umineko Anime Adaptation announced at the end of the credits
post yfw

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thanks for your support
remember that arguing with you help me in my work so dont be afraid of ask anything

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>> No.27507153

I'd like to post my face but it isn't allowed to post grotesque images outside of /b/.

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>final episode of Higurashi Gou:
>rika breaks out of the loop
>featherine is waiting for her
>cuts to black and the executioner starts playing over the credits
>>Umineko Anime Adaptation announced at the end of the credits
>post yfw

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>> No.27507618

If any of you are collector, someone auctionned a lot of chibi figures of Higurashi and Umineko (with figure from others series) for 530 Yen. https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/x728924457
17 hours remain!

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>> No.27507705

Implying it won't end with Rika and Toujirou breaking the brain jar simulation and starting Phase 2

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anyone know what arc this is from?

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>> No.27510497

Whats better, the Higanbana manga or the VN?

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>> No.27510536

Is better the source of the water or the river full of shit near a city?

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Can confirm. Even Miyao is there

>> No.27510618

It will be just that those 3 years of Rika growing up are sort of a coma dream because Rika actually didn't solve the problem and survived. Hanyuu used wind powers besides that actually self inserted in the game and that probably was against the rules. What was not against the rules its to give Rika a dream that could give insight to a solution and Hanyuu thought that she could mature would give her more possibility to win the game once and for all. Since dreams can work similar to a Infinite Monkey Theorem into gathering information or realising new truths it wouldn't be against the rules because it could just happen "by luck" and maybe it's part of how Frederica starts to shine and getting an official title.
Summed up the Hinamizawa Syndrome whatever it is makes people have DMT trips and those false memories of other worlds could themselves be just "lucky insights" and work as warnings for people to avoid creating those realities.
Rika never escaped but Hanyuu gave Rika a chance to grow up and solve the problem with more maturity.

>> No.27510671

Fighting the ESL with ESL.

>> No.27510831

please stop polluting the /a/ threads

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fuck you
you first shit the thread with your headcanons so was my duty bring back dignity to umineko that was label as tranny-shit and BTFO you


>> No.27511887

The manga was garbage and got cancelled. Ryuukishi got fed up after so many failures and decided to do a VN. The VN is the fourth incarnation of Higanbana and the only good one.

>> No.27511911

>they adapted that line of all things
Ryuukishi is so cruel to Satoko.

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Did a nude edit of one of Ryukishi07's lewd works

>> No.27512928

If I understand correctly you're implying that Matsuri and "what happened after" is just a dream created by Hanyuu...? That Rika still didn't find the truth?

>> No.27513042

Call it a dream or something. Rika still didn't figure out the truth but was able to grow up in maturity to be able to. So Hanyuu could be deceiving for good reasons.

>> No.27513164

Not him but Ryukishi has been calling Matsuribayashi an ideal outcome that Rika probably never actually reached for years and one of the PS2 arcs was a bleaker version of it. Now we're getting a continuation of it where shit didn't work out a few years later anyway.

>> No.27513696

After finishing the 8 main arcs of Higurashi, which other arcs should I read next that aren't the non canon console ones?

>> No.27513758

Saikoroshi from Rei

>> No.27513775

Rei for sure, specifically Saikoroshi-Hen. The rest of the arcs aren't translated yet, so you'll have to wait for the MangaGamer release. Or watch the anime, but i heard that adaptation is pretty bad

>> No.27513868

Yeah they are? All of Rei and Hou are translated.

>> No.27513938

Just making sure, Hou is the one that contains every original Higurashi VN released? Does it have an unlock function like Umineko? Also, the games in the mega are updated?

>> No.27513963

Now I see what you guys mean. Basically a scenario where Higurashi is a Logic Error and Rika is trapped in it, but unlike Battler she's receiving tips in the form of dreams taking place different scenarios of Hinamizawa or even after the incident. Then she matures to finally reach a conclusion. Honestly a plot like that would be insanely mind blowing, but it's Ryukishi, so I won't doubt a possibility like that.

>> No.27514003

Yes, Hou is everything bundled together, but there's no english patch for everything in Hou--just the new content. Everything on the mega should be up to date.

>> No.27514181

Nice, can't believe R07 made me reread the VNs with this anime; it feels like this anime has the potential to make this thread lively again, for better or worse.

>> No.27514430

>All of Rei and Hou are translated
Saikoroshi is translated. Everything else is machine-translated and barely readable.

>> No.27514505

I don't remember it being bad. There's two different tls, the old one by Boinciel and the newer one by xPearce, maybe it's the Boinciel one that's awful?

>> No.27514589

But what exactly means to be a Logic Error. There are a lot of buzzwords in his works but what does exactly they mean?

>> No.27514807

>so I won't doubt a possibility like that
EP6 manga literally added visuals with Rika losing her shit in Hinamizawa to Lambda talking about Bern's backstory so it's been established for quite awhile that the plot of WTC1&2 happened on a gameboard where the game master gave her opponent enough free shit to cause a logic error.

>> No.27514920

the plights of being an EOP... how very sad

>> No.27515582

The problem with trying to explain what exactly is an error is that Higurashi doesn't exactly seem follow the rules of Umineko... If it did I could've said that the logic error is Hanyuu's existence in itself in Minagoroshi and Matsuri. Maybe Ryukishi wants to fix that in this anime and finally define what exactly it is.
But in Umineko, it's a contradiction in which you reach the result but can't explain the means using the game board rules. Battler is trapped in one when he says in red that he exits the room but can't explain how.

>> No.27515879

How come Higanbana's last story is so lame and generic compared to everything else? Utopia/Thistle was a way cooler way to tie up the overarching bullying theme in a neat little bow.

>> No.27516106

That is just like a math equation that you solve using the rules but somehow its confusing how you end a result?

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Do you know Oyashiro-sama?

>> No.27520784

Why does the new anime look so fucking GOOD? The OP and ED alone are a love letter to the hardcore fans of the VN and seem to hint at mindfucky meta shenanigans. The animation is gorgeous too.

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I wouldn't want Keith Blanco as my enemy.

>> No.27520988

because you have a scat fetish

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The Higurashi opening is being intentionally ambiguous.

The figure with short hair is clearly middle schooler Miyoko wearing a fancy school uniform, but it could also be Lambda somehow. Definitely not Satoko, her hair is different. Near the end Rika's sleeves become more frilly, this could be a reference to Bernkastel's dress, but it could also mean Rika is sent to St. Lucia and that's the uniform. And the hands reflectes in her eyes are either Hanyuu's or Lambda's. Everything about this OP sends mixed signals.

Its it possible... that Rika is adopted by a rich family and becomes the REAL Furudo Erika, studying at St. Lucia? We never knew Erika's real personality, only what Ikuko came up with for her troll detective. The ages kinda match as well. It makes sense that a nearly 15yo Rika would kill herself by jumping off a boat to go back to 1983 once she has enough knowledge and maturity to come up with a plan. Maybe someone on the internet figured out that the nurse was suspicious and everything clicked for Rika. The name change to Furudo Erika would make sense too if she was put in a witness protection program after her attempted assassination or didn't want to be associated with Hinamizawa (remember how Hinamizawans are discriminated against after the disaster in every arc because people from there keep killing themselves or murdering someone all over Japan).

Is it possible... that Ciconia is Lambda's origin story and the person in the OP is Jestress/Lambda instead of Miyoko? Jestress wears similar clothes to the person in the OP. Is Rika the person she wanted to meet so badly that she did all that shit in the Ciconia fragment just to become a 5th dimensional entity and travel to 1983 Japan? Will they meet in St. Lucia? Maybe Lambda will incarnate as a human for that purpose? Is this how they fucking meet? Mindblowing.

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u fukkin know it bitch

>> No.27522186

>Bern's dress is the academy uniform in that decade
>they later changed it to Ange's ugly ass uniform
>the lesbo witches met in a literal romcom scenario and were probably the bullies

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I love Tomitake

>> No.27522976

As a lambdafag I like this theory.

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Matsuribayashi and Saikoroshi are the happy ending for human Rika, the one we follow in Higurashi. This doesn't change with the new anime.

Frederica Bernkastel is a separate entity from Rika, having split off from her LONG before the Onikakushi fragment, as an accumulation of failed Rikas. We see her theorizing in the sea of fragments, writing poems and even messing with fragments to create the Matsuribayashi world. The person who talks to future Akasaka in the dojo and thanks him for remembering isn't piece Rika, it's Frederica Bernkastel identifying as Rika now that she has hope and a clear goal in mind. The Rika we follow during the story is unaware of what happened after arc 6 when Matsuribayashi starts. The whole "joining the fragments" section is experienced by Bernkastel, not Rika herself. She is the one that makes this lucky world possible by manipulating the starting conditions and variables.

Rika's true personality is similar to Bernkastel's, but less jaded and confined to a human brain with limitations on her amount of memories and the speed of her thoughts. These limitations don't exist for Bernkastel, she remembers every torture, every boring repetition of each event and can think at the speed of light like any meta creature in the series, she's not limited by a brain.

Bernkastel's personality changes a bit from Higurashi to Umineko, because she's several hundred years older, has experienced countless worlds and stories and is friends with a sadistic witch. She also doesn't think of herself as Rika anymore and drops the first half of her name. There is a section in Umineko where Lambda explains how humans that obtain eternal life become cruel as fuck eventually, when they get bored of playing nice for thousands of years. There is also a section in Ciconia where Gunhild explains that the human mind cannot tolerate eternity without becoming a bit insane, assuming you have no way of deleting old memories. All of this explains Bern's changes.

Rika has never met Bernkastel except for a weird manga page where Rika is barely conscious anyway and is simply in the process of going to the Minagoroshi world. In the VN, this scene only has Frederica Bernkastel talking to the reader and explaining how she can experience the fragments from the perspective of each protagonist (basically theatergoing power) and knows Shion's thoughts during Meakashi.

I repeat, Rika has never met Bernkastel and doesn't know of her existence. In Saikoroshi, Rika realizes that she's very different from that world's Rika and from the original Rika too, so she decides to call herself a different name fitting for a dimension-jumping body snatcher. So she chooses Bernkastel looking at a wine bottle, this is probably how the real Bernkastel got her own name in the past, in of the countless pre-Onikakushi worlds that Rika can't possibly remember due to the sheer number of them.

Saikoroshi ends with Rika deciding to drop the whole witch personality thing and live a normal life without resetting her life at the slightest inconvenience. Then, she ASSUMES that the "witch" part of her probably exists somewhere, but that's not her. She just happened to be right and Hanyuu confirms it, saying she made a new friend. This is NOT where Bernkastel splits from Rika, that happened before Onikakushi. This only means that Rika is deciding to regain her original personality and live as a human. "Creepy Rika" and "Bernkastel" are similar but not the same character. During the time of Higurashi, Bernkastel considers herself to be Rika at times in the meta, which is no longer the case in Umineko.

Everything above is just information from the Higurashi VN. From this point forward, I will be discussing theories, nothing confirmed:

This new anime is probably Bernkastel's story after the Matsuribayashi ending (she is mentioned in Saikoroshi by Rika, who deduces she probably exists somewhere, but she never appears in the story or anything. By that point she's playing around with the fragments, free of her shackles. She eventually decided to go back to being Rika in the lower plane but preserving her identity as Bernkastel, with no intention of solving a game that she's not shackled to anymore (Rika is already safe in her happy world) and that's when this anime starts. She probably meets Lambda in her human form as a teen Rika after surviving and ending up at St. Lucia (Rika stated that she could survive alone hiding in the forest until july and just didn't do it again because she wants her friends to survive too. Bernkastel isn't that attached to them anymore, so she might have done just that and survive while they go insane and kill each other).

This is where Lambda meets Bernkastel in Rika's body. She probably came down to the game to meet the new witch and congratulate her for her victory. She never expected a wish she granted on a whim to develop into a game between Takano and Hanyuu/Rika. Much less that a cute witch would be born.

>> No.27526064

Basically, I think people have a major misunderstanding of Higurashi Bernkastel and Rika, two of the most complex characters lore-wise. But once you correctly understand them by reading Higurashi carefully, this new anime's plot makes a lot of sense. And so does the original VN.

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I still believe Bern isn't a bad person. All her villainy was for the sake of pulling out the guts for us readers. When Battler ceased to be a reader Bern became a villain. But I still appreciate her acting. And her dissection.

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This Nipponjin got some theories in mind about the anime. Which is not bad actually.

>> No.27528353

The 2nd theory always terrifies me.

>> No.27529611

So is the original Higurashi a gameboard a la Umineko played between Lambdadelta and Bernkastel, with Takano as Lambda's piece and Rika as Bern's? I don't remember them outright stating it outside of just implications.

Though I can see the anime easily taking the path of being a Bernkastel origin story, I find it hard to imagine something similar to Lambda. Lambda's personality seems to be a mix of Takano and Satoko, so I'm not really sure how an 'origin story' would work for her with Higurashi.

>> No.27529780

Also, I feel like the anime would have to end on a real downer if it's really about Bern's origin story. It would feel really out of place if we are getting another ending like Matsuribayashi.

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Wait.. How did Satoko got the bear? Unless this is just an ED thing, this would change things about Satoshi's disappearance.

>> No.27530292

>been reading 2 chapters (basically when the title screen pops up in the bottom right corner) of Ciconia every night the past week.
>happiest I've been the past few months.
>lose all my data.
>skipping to get to the point I was in.
>PC keeps crashing in the process.
Jesus fucking christ there's no youtube videos to watch this shit too so this is my only option. R07 really doesn't want me reading this.

>> No.27530603

So how old will teen Rika and Satoko be? Like 14? Hella lewd.

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I'm pretty sure it was just implications, but the implications were very heavy. Heavy enough to be certain.
As well as the implication that Featherine was the first opponent, but she left.
Now consider Hotarubi, it's premise is Bernkastel and Lambda play around again in Hinamizawa, so with that included I suppose you can consider it absolutely.
I don't think it would necessarily be sad, a story following Bernkastel. Look at the end of Umineko; narratively it should be a disaster for her. Yet the villain is laughing and having a great time with her immortal pals. To be a monster like that is horrifying, yet at the same time Bern has her intelligence, her freedom, and her heart.

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I'm into bus stop Rika

>> No.27531458

That's not the same bear, the original was fucking gigantic and pretty expensive. It barely fit in Irie's car.

It would be sad if Satoko somehow got the giant bear as an anonymous gift "from Satoshi" to let her know he's ok, but she ended up hating the fucking bear because Teppei forces her to rub her cunny on it until she cums while he films and his buddies mock her.

>> No.27531701

Teppei has no right to outrage the modesty of his self-conscious preteen niece. That would be extremely humiliating for her.

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Shion was 14 at st lucia iirc so i assumed the same thing. I was trying to figure out if it was after oct 1986 or not

>> No.27531985

Shion is 16 during the story and she escaped a year earlier. Well, she was around for a while before the festival, so she must be 14 and a half during the escape sequence.

Satoko would be 14 in 86, I suppose. I predict small tits for her age. Early bloomers end up falling short. 80s bush is likely, only whores shave.

>> No.27532312

I wonder what would happen when Takano's scrapbooks and Ikuko's forgeries combined together.

>> No.27532490

huh, i saw 14 when i looked it up, not that you can really trust fan wikis or whatever

>> No.27532745

You can't trust fan wikis when it comes to Higurashi. The ages are obvious from the context and the timeline of events, but they are never stated directly and it seems this fandom has a bizarre problem understanding anything implicit, despite it being the author's signature thing.

>> No.27533349

I still can't believe a different studio is doing the anime. I wonder if Deen feels cucked.

>> No.27533733

Why would anyone want a George figurine?

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He's based.
He's redpilled.
He's literally me.
Why the fuck would anyone not want a George figurine?

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It comes down to what readers are most invested in at the bottom of their heart. If they care about a story more as a vehicle for "what they want it to be", as a way to one-sidedly support an ideology, they'll try to weasel their way around respecting unfortunate facts to make it fit.

>> No.27535104

1) Satoko Houjo/Lambdadelta Theory

First of all, the "mastermind is Miyo Takano" part is thought to be changed.
The new candidate to emerge as the mastermind here is Rika's best friend, Satoko Houjo.
There is no evidence of this.
There is no ......, but there is a stinky description of her in any way.
The above is a frame from "Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Gou", which is serialized in Young Ace UP.
This dialogue is simply Lambdadelta-ish.
Oh, have you ever heard of Lambdadelta? This is the witch who controlled Miyo Takano from the higher world in Higurashi.
In the club activity (treasure hunt) scene in the first episode, Satoko gets the treasure (Magic Pen) by setting Rika in a trap. Later, she gets even with Rika's surprise box.This is an episode that didn't exist in the Onikakushi Arc.
It doesn't seem to imply the composition of Bernkastel and Lambdadelta in any way, and even in the OP, they're depicted as being at odds with each other with their backs to each other.
Also, I think the girl in the OP is Satoko, who has grown up to be a junior high school student.
This is because Rika was killed by someone when she was at least a junior high school student, leading to the fragments of the demon tricking version.
However, if Rika was enrolled in St. Lucia Academy, then she was killed in a place that had nothing to do with Hinamizawa.
So who killed Rika at St. Lucia?
...... I think Satoko, who was also enrolled in St. Lucia, could have killed her. The motive is unclear though.
"Gou" may be a loop that arose from Satoko's killing of Rika. And I think she could be a pawn in the Lambdadelta this time, well, maybe .......

>2) Featherine's awakening Theory
Do you know what a Featherine is? This is the witch who was the Game Master of Higurashi.She is identical or close to Hanyuu. However, she forgot her own victory condition because her memory unit was buggy and her personality transformation made her a clunker, so she forgot her own victory condition.
So she let her pawn, Rika Furude, run the game, but since she didn't know the victory conditions, Rika was forced to endlessly replay a game with an unknown objective.
Eventually, Rika set her goal to "live and face the future before 1983", and after a long period of re-semaling, she successfully achieved it....... This is the story of Higurashi no Naku Koro ni. Maybe.
But this time, the silhouette of the people of Kaku, who are clearly different from Hanyuu, appeared in the OP.
And the hairstyle and the shape of the horns (or, more accurately, the horn-like memory device) are very similar to Featherine's visual.
Maybe this is a scenario where Featherine comes to her senses in "Gou" and serves as a proper game master.
In fact, in the main story of Umineko, Featherine has come to her senses and appears as a very high ranking witch.
Incidentally, Umineko is set 3 years after Higurashi, in 1986.
If the grown-up Furute Rika in "Gou" is in the third year of junior high school, it's 1986.

>Featherline: "Hmmm. I remember the purpose of the...game. Let's run again. Child of man.

3) Bernkastel and rule X Theory

In "Gou", Rika Furude started the 1983 resumption of the game, and many people expect this to be the prequel to the birth of Bernkastel.
However, I would expect Bernkastel to have already been born (apart from this time's Rika Furude) and then start interfering in the game of "Gou".
When Keiichi was swinging a machette in the second episode, the memories of the Onikakushi Arc flashed back in his mind for a moment.It doesn't seem to be as intense a memory as the Tsumihoroboshi Arc, though.
I think this is the same reason why Rena was momentarily dumbfounded when Satoko got even with Rika in the first episode.
What if Rena also had a similar memory of being "bludgeoned to death by Keiichi" in the demon hiding episode? That too, in bits and pieces.
'I have to kill him before he kills me, or else I'm in trouble! Doesn't that make you feel like...
I think this is the reason why the killing intent seems to be leaking out of Rena in the Onidamashi Arc.
If that's the case, then the discord caused by the fragmented perception of memory is the rule X in this case.
And the perception of other fragments is an event that is inherently caused by miraculous probabilities....... It is Bernkastel who manipulates the miracle.
If Bernkastel intervenes on the game board and shows the club members "only the bad parts" of the other shards' memories, it would be too much of a factor in the tragedy.

>> No.27535151

P.S.: About Rika Furude's age

In episode 3 of Umineko no Naku Koro ni Episode 3 Tea Party, Bernkastel talks about the human in Christmas episode. Since Rika Furude's parents are still alive, her age can be guessed.

About Lambdaeelta

In "Memoirs by Lord Lambdadelta," it is explicitly stated that Lambda Delta gives Takano (Miyoko Tanashi) his blessing, although his name is withheld.
Also, if you read the story of Umineko with an open mind, you will understand that Takano is a pawn of Lambdadelta in the Higurashi game board.
Since this article is about Higurashi, I used the phrase "manipulated" for clarity, but "used as a pawn" might be more appropriate.

All translated with DeepL.

>> No.27535253

sasuga neural networks.

>> No.27535559

It's weird how this parallel is talked about so little.
People act like Yasu wouldn't have in all likelihood grown up to be a regular "cis" boy if not for being surgically reconstructed and raised as a girl. It's not even clear whether Yasu considers themselves(?) a girl. Sayo is a role of an perfect female servant (initially projected by Sayo as a "friend", not an identity), Beatrice is another ideal of femininity, but the existence of Kanon and the nature of the conflict between the personas in the magic scenes suggests that non of these was fully identified with.

>> No.27535764

But does anyone really think that?
The only place where I regularly read about this "tranny investment" in Yasu's character is /jp/ (or /a/ if there's a thread) and honestly it feels like a huge boogeyman.

>> No.27536068

for the last time stop



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Search trans on the hinamizawa discord or on umineko twitter and marvel at the cult-tier groupthink and the violent reactions when someone falls out of line.
I can understand the rationale that there are a lot (as in, a LOT) of tranners in the community and discussions that go counter to their self-image might be uncomfortable, but "oh no, someone might get hurt by these arguments" is such an obvious cope that it's probably even counter-productive if your goal is trans acceptance. It's each persons freedom to decide for themselves what to believe and voice those beliefs (though obviously if they do it maliciously that's a problem), and by forbidding people from contradicting the orthodoxy they'll just come to resent you AND the worldview you're trying to canonize - and while the second is going too far, they have every right to hate you personally.
t. grew up in a Christian community and had to deal with the same shit from my 'brothers and sisters in faith'.

>> No.27538832

I just reached the point in chapter 7 where Willard solves all of the question arcs and according to him all of the murders in chapter 1 and almost every murders in chapter 2 were illusions. How is that possible? Were they all accomplices? Also, how could the first and second twilight of the fourth game be an illusion? This shit doesn't make any sense.

>> No.27539065

consider reading the manifesto

>> No.27539439

Am I autistic for hating Amakusa and seethe whenever people ship him with Ange? He doesn't deserve it.

>> No.27539702

Imagine how fat it would be.
George is so heavy he managed to sink the whole island and kill his entire family.

>> No.27539704

No. he's a stone-cold killer who only cares about her in a vague, disassociated way, enough to give her some good advice, but not enough to hesitate to snipe her when he's given the order.
Amakusa being a "cute bad boy" who might become Anges protector-provider-husbando is a silly female wish-fulfillment fantasy so it doesn't have to make sense. It's the equivalent of fantasizing about a yandere gf, basically.

>> No.27541432

i am italian anon Enjoy this extrac of my manifesto

1) Mystery: First game, first twilight, six corpses in the garden shed
Illusions to illusions. ...The corpse that cannot return to earth returns to illusions.
George believed that Shannon was alive(cannot return to earth mean the corpse cannot return alive like in the illusion of George)
2)First game, second twilight. Two corpses are close in a closed room protected by a chain.
Illusions to illusions. ...A chain of illusions can only trap illusions.
the chain was never set the closed room was faked by kanon and genji
3)First game, fourth twilight. The old Head from the closed room study, confined in a scorching furnace.
Illusions to illusions. ...Let the man of illusions go to where he belongs.
KINZO didnt exist.
4)First game, fifth twilight. The last moments of the sacrificed boy with a stake in his chest.
Illusions to illusions. ...The witch and stake of illusions can pierce naught but illusions.
kanon faked his death with nanjo help.
5)First game, sixth, seventh, and eighth twilights. Three corpses lying in the closed room of the singing girl.
Illusions to illusions. ...Illusions are the blind girl's song. Illusion of a closed room.
All the victims were accomplices.

>> No.27541452

-Turn of the golden witch:
1)Second game, first twilight. The six with their stomachs split in the closed room chapel.
llusions to illusions. ...The gold truth locks the lock of illusions.
the golden truth (witness testimonies)
the closed room had been created by rosa after she said that the envelop where she had taken the key had been sealed all the time.
but this was all an illusion she didn't know that the letters had been swap.
even if Rosa wasn't lying she was in wrong.
2)Second game, second twilight. The two who are close cannot even be close as corpses.
Illusions to illusions. ...Illusions who have fulfilled their role do not even leave a corpse behind.
kanon killed jessica and kanon personality die.
3)Second game, fourth, fifth, and sixth twilights. In Natsuhi's closed room, none are left alive.
Earth to earth. ...No one would dispute that a coffin is a closed room.
George killed gohda shannon and himself
4)Second game, seventh and eighth twilights. The two sliced to death by the red-eyed illusion.
Earth to earth. Illusions to illusions. ...No illusion can create a corpse.
Kanon wasn't an illusion.

>> No.27541486

-Banquet of the Golden Witch:
1)Third game, first twilight. Six corpses connected by the linked closed rooms.
Illusions to illusions. ...In the closed room ring, the end and the beginning overlap.
the closed room circle begins in the boiler room with kanon that put kinzo's body in the boiler and ends up in the boiler room
with nanjo pretending to find the chapel key.
2)Third game, second twilight. The corpses of mother and child lay together in the rose garden.
Earth to earth. ...No falsehoods in their final moments as told.
no trick to explain kanon had faked his death could kill them
3)Third game, fourth, fifth, and sixth twilights. Three corpses lying in the mansion.
Earth to earth. ...No falsehoods in their final moments as told.
no trick to explain kanon had faked his death could kill them
4)Third game, seventh and eighth twilights. The corpses of husband and wife lay exposed under the arbor.
Earth to earth. ...The obvious culprit wields a mutable blade.
mutable blade:krauss and natsuhi thought george would help them to defeat the culprit eva
without knowing that he was actually the real culprit.

>> No.27541521

-Alliance of the Golden Witch:
1)Fourth game, first twilight. A massacring storm sweeps through the dining hall.
Illusions to illusions. ...Tales woven by the gold truth return to illusions.
the true death of the six was poisoning(except genji) gohda and krauss lied as ordered by genji
2)Fourth game, second twilight. The two youths face their trials and pass away together.
Illusions to illusions. ...Tales woven by the gold truth return to illusions.
George was not dead Jessica lied as ordered by Genji.
3)Fourth game, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth twilights. None of the runaways are left alive.
Earth to earth. Illusions to illusions. ...Silent corpses, adorned by fiction.
all killed(adorned) by a witch who should not exist(kanon dressed as beatrice).
4)Fourth game, ninth twilight. And none shall be left alive.
Earth to earth. Illusions to illusions. ...When fiction is shut up inside a cat box, it becomes truth.
the bomb explodes and Then There Were None

here Lied is a bad word yes they lied but like rosa in the 2nd game they were not aware of lying

>> No.27541531

>We never knew Erika's real personality, only what Ikuko came up with for her troll detective.
Maybe this makes sense because the real Erika isn't the shit we know from the Umineko.

>Ciconia is Lambda's origin story
It might be because there's something that feels like going down the abyss like Lambdadelta mentions. Besides it doesn't matter chronology related to Higurashi or Umineko or Horutabi because how meta dimensions work. Lambdadelta could have origins in the future and play games in the past.

>Bern's dress is the academy uniform in that decade
I believe that's stupid and unrealistic. A school where gothic lolita is the uniform?

>> No.27541989

Oh, thanks, I thought "illusions to illusions" meant that the deaths were faked.
Then what's the difference to "earth to earth"?

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inb4 manga not canon
Bern was larping and even Lambdadelta its how Witches do stuff specially in the meta.

I can see the first theory where it goes but I always felt the personality Lambdadelta has for Bern it's a copy from Satoko to make Bern like her. Even how she looks specially short hair its for Bern to relate her to Satoko.
The second one even if I agree Featherine will be here, I don't think its something like this to be the main plot.

>If Bernkastel intervenes on the game board and shows the club members "only the bad parts" of the other shards' memories, it would be too much of a factor in the tragedy.
If there is a factor that can create a Infinite Monkey theorem effect on human mind its possible to have knowledge of something that never happened but could manipulate humans decisions, it can be possible because its p>0(%).
Quoting /x/, it's just swamp gas bro.

>> No.27542086

Illusion is when there is a trick about faking something
like fake the existence of a personality or the chain

earth to earth is more a physical approch for the trick
when there is written earth to earth the killing is involved in the trick

>> No.27542552

Don’t reply to italianon. He cannot be reasoned with or questioned

>> No.27542568

> He cannot be reasoned with or questioned
like you in this moment

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italian anon is just a Witch piece to annoy us or really to teach us a lesson so we can be wiser just like the Witches.

Unrelated but why is Lambadelta so weeb?

>> No.27542909

Hi Italianon

>> No.27543076

whay you want?

>> No.27543368 [DELETED] 

I was actually thinking this might take place between Higurashi and Umineko and explains Bernkastel.

>> No.27543570

Fuck off, unlike any of you he answered my question with a good reply.
Whining like this is worse than Erikantrice posting.

>> No.27543673

What does earth to earth mean then

>> No.27544685

That's just par for the course with certainty.

My thoughts are that it takes place between the two, and is either a new gameboard entirely, or she never really escaped in the case of >>27510618

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Massive weeb Lambdadelta.

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>> No.27545120

i wish i had a qt higurashi/umineko loving gf

>> No.27545158

I wish I had a qt loving gf

>> No.27545401

anon all the women who love Umineko are lesbian fujos so RIP

>> No.27545415

Honestly I would fuckin love to try and punch a Featherine if I had the chance, even if I knew there was 0.00% chance I'd win. Lambda knows what the fuck is up.

>> No.27545527

Please, let anon have hope.

>> No.27545541

yeah same
n-not according to the battler/beatrice heterosexual couple cosplays i've found! haha...

>> No.27546086

Most Battler cosplay are done by girls. The one I see, at least.

>> No.27546646

nah i checked specifically on one of them, it was a guy

>> No.27547562

Reading Ciconia rn and the game is now telling me not to record. How far am I?

>> No.27547579

Like 1 hour out of 20?

>> No.27547639

God damn. Well I like it so far anyway.

>> No.27547648

depends on your version. initially it was at maybe 1/5th (the date between Meow and Jayden) and in a later update it was pushed somewhere around the mid point.

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Come on man, that's really not that long.

Anyway, for me it started picking up after The Date Scene, most of which made me think Ryukishi had completely lost his mind. About a third of the way in they start getting to the military/political stuff and that's when I think it starts to get good.

Also Lilja is best girl

>> No.27547782

>initially it was at maybe 1/5th (the date between Meow and Jayden)
Alright I’m here. I guess reading Saikoroshi threw me for a loop regarding the lengths of normal WTC episodes.

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What if girl on the left is called Mitake and her and Tomita fuck? From the ED we can see that these two are gonna be basically the girl versions of Tomita and Okamura.

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>> No.27550247

Good post.

>> No.27550260

my sister likes higurashi but she's like 15

>> No.27550500

I just hope we get to see Bernkastel and Lambdadelta again.
It doesn't have to be this new anime, anything would be fine.

>> No.27550676

Hella lewd.

>> No.27551020

based anon

>> No.27551166

Last Note of the Golden Witch gave me confirmation they’re basically gonna be in Ciconia somehow.

>> No.27551240

Just looked it up and, what the fuck? What's Tsubasa, Hane and Saku? I thought I knew everything about Umineko after the 8 main episodes.

>> No.27551328

>Tsubasa, Hane and Saku?
Expansions basically with side stories. Last Note of the Golden Witch was included with Saku which came out last year around the same time as Ciconia’s first episode. Watch the very end of last note to see what I’m talking about. My nuts were shaking man.

>> No.27551810

character poll results when?

>> No.27552315

what's lewd about liking higurashi

>> No.27552817

November 8th

>> No.27552933

December 31st

>> No.27553200

tell her to message me in 3 years

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are those cyclops real? please tell me they're not real!

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It's useless. Define "The", "are" and "real".

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>> No.27554760

Tsubasa came out before EP4.

>> No.27554792 [DELETED] 

Define "define".

>> No.27554840

can't use the red. you'll have to take care of that as well berun-chan

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Stop roleplaying.

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>> No.27555108

Please keep roleplaying.

>> No.27555327

for some reason the idea of the "logic battle"-setup devolving into "I bet you defined this word weird" in an infinite regress until the concept of the red truth becomes completely nonsensical, is just really funny to me.

>> No.27555447

Define "origin story", after all everything before her existence could be classified as an "origin story"

>> No.27555713

Mr Furude fucking his wife doggy style is Bernkastel's origin story.

>> No.27555863

Teppei would force Satoko to shove ice cubes up her cute arse.

>> No.27556136

Why? Arses aren't supposed to be cooled.

>> No.27557137

is this a prophecy?

>> No.27557140

Is she into humiliation?

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>> No.27558628

realizing the sadness behind neither satoko nor satoshi being able to tell vegetables apart
they're being abused, and they probably aren't eating well enough to know what healthy food is

>> No.27558754

They are literally colorblind and should be removed from the gene pool.

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>> No.27559230

I hope that cunt dies in a fire.

>> No.27560502

Why wait

>> No.27561279

don't get too carried away with your daydreams, anons sister is probably imaginary anyway.

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>> No.27562479

Has anyone ever drawn Ooishi in Erika's clothes?

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this made me think
>Erika in Ooishi's clothes
thanks for the mental image anon

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Erika footjob.

>> No.27562844

What's with all the Umineko UI elements left over in the Ciconia game files? Someone got really lazy it seems.

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Couldn't get a straight answer out of /a/, I really should have known better than to try.

With the new anime being a continuation and just having learned about Ciconia, I want to try to get into When They Cry for the first time since the heyday of Umineko.

What is the best order for everything?
The VNs are pretty straightforward, 1,2,3, etc, but what about any supplementary and oddly named material? I know enough not to bother with the anime for the most part.

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I don't care for feet, but I want to feel those textured pantyhose rubbing on my dick.
Thighjob preferred, but I will settle for a footjob if necessary.

>> No.27563694

the best order is:

Higurashi deen anime
Umineko VN
Ciconia VN

>> No.27563738

Higurashi > Saikoroshi > Umineko > Higanbana > Rose Guns Days > Ciconia

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Ignore the one who mentioned the deen anime, if you have the patience to read the VN then you definitively should read it.
>>27563738 is the order I would recommend too.
You could also read the console arcs of Higurashi, but they're not canon so it isn't necessary. I included the chronological order if you really want though.

>> No.27564133

Read Higurashi (original) -> read Umineko -> read Ciconia -> watch Higurashi Gou

Theoretically Gou would be a fun starting point but one episode a week for at least half a year is a pretty slow pace, and you'd be swimming in a sea of spoilers/meta spoilers for the original series if you tried to discuss it anywhere.

>> No.27564267

So, should I read it like Tatarigoroshi>Taraimawashi>Tsukiotoshi>Someutshi>Meakashi>Kageboushi and so on like that?

>> No.27564368

If you want like that go ahead, its optional so you can also read the main arcs first and the console arcs after. Personally I would go for main arcs first.
Also, for Umineko there's Saku too after you read the main games, it has a fan translation.
There's also Hane and Tsubasa for Umineko but I dunno about them, didn't read yet.

>> No.27564496

Is the Saku's fan translation good? Last time I heard it was translated by bots.

>> No.27564625

Jesus, no. The console arcs are decentc but they disrupt the original experience and aren't even written in the same style. Just read the original 8 and Saikoroshi first.

>> No.27564687

It's decent. There are some lines that feel a bit off sometimes, but you can understand them with context. And I doubt Witch Hunt is going to release the translation soon, as they're focusing on Ciconia Phase 2.
>>27564625 As I said, feel free IF you really want, I wouldn't read it like that either. They're not canon and aren't necessary.

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>This new anime is probably Bernkastel's story after the Matsuribayashi ending (she is mentioned in Saikoroshi by Rika, who deduces she probably exists somewhere, but she never appears in the story or anything. By that point she's playing around with the fragments, free of her shackles. She eventually decided to go back to being Rika in the lower plane but preserving her identity as Bernkastel, with no intention of solving a game that she's not shackled to anymore (Rika is already safe in her happy world) and that's when this anime starts.
Kinda like How Lambda use Takano as a game piece for Hotarubi. Hell, Rika could might as well be Bernkastel's game piece in this anime.

>> No.27564917

I wonder if and when this bitch appears in the Anime; and wither or not She have a witch puppeteer.

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Bitch in question/

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Guys, is this a locked room, or am I reaching?

>> No.27569163

You're reaching a great conclusion

>> No.27569219

Wow, congrats anon, your 10th grade literature teacher will be impressed.

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>> No.27570065

And it's still not as fat as Ange.

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This is my gift for humiliation anon and hairy pussy anon. This girl is cute beyond belief and I just have to share the full collection with my fellow anons.

>> No.27570551

So a fusion? Rika adds cuteness and Ange adds hairy pussy and humiliating poses

>> No.27571754
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Screens preview of Higurashi Gou came out.
Who is this?

>> No.27571800

K1's dad.

>> No.27571903

You might be right. I didn't see the Deen anime, only read the VN. I imagine him to be quite different.

>> No.27572180

>2000+ pics
>doesn't show her naked feet in any of them
Pity, but still 9/10 human! I always wonder how these cute sluts live with themselves!

>> No.27572471

Wait, are they retarded for thinking it could be, or for not realizing it sooner?

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This is the best shot of K1's dad you could find in the Deen anime. I think.
I dont remember them showing his whole face in Minagoroshi.

>> No.27573748

>posting the console arc chart
this isn't /a/ nigga

>> No.27573906

What happened to Umineko Gold... I really liked the opening

>> No.27574233

Battler was jailed for saying fuck too much

>> No.27574386

It seems dead. But we might have an update after the Entergram release of Umineko Saku at the end of January.
Even though, it will just be for the Kickstarter campaign. We cannot know if they will reach the goal. Might have more chance now that WTC is back in vogue again. It would actually be a waste for them if they don't do it.

>> No.27574515

There's also his manga representation that's look like the one from the Gou screenshot without the moustache and the goatee though.

>> No.27574536

I'm not saying he's wrong, I'm just saying it's visual allegory that's about as subtle as a flying brick. She's not literally stuck in a locked room, but the image and idea of a locked room represents how Rika feels. I really shouldn't need to explain this shit.

>> No.27574634

>English voice acting
No fucking thank you. Just download Umineko Project of you want voice acting and the PS3 visuals.

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>> No.27575172 [DELETED] 

Yeah that confused me for a second.

>> No.27575186 [DELETED] 

Wait what is this from?

>> No.27575300

Leaf Fight IIRC

>> No.27575359

We're talking about the anime not the manga.

>> No.27575399

The fuck? You people really liking that shit?
Good riddance that project is dead.

>> No.27575543 [DELETED] 

Should I read Rose Gun Days? Is it related to the WTC series at all or just makes small references to it?

>> No.27575618

Small references, but the themes and writing are very similar to WTC and it's a good ass story with really fun characters. Why wouldn't you read it?

>> No.27575681


>> No.27575940

Ushiromiya Ange

Humiliatiya Angste

Humanconditia Arse

Ushiromiya Andyet


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>> No.27577216

that guy posted a new ciconia vid

>> No.27577994
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Alright, fuck this Higu chart. It's clearly designed to trigger the completionist and "start with the beginning, finish with the conclusion" impulses of VN readers, so that newcomers like >>27564267 will feel obligated to read all the fanfic to the right before finishing the core arcs or moving on to another 07thExpansion work.
My instinct is that it was created by the people behind the translation. It's understandable that they have a vested interest in having their hard work be rewarded, but I don't see why anyone else should prioritize that over giving first-time readers the best possible experience with WTC.

Pic related is a rough outline for an objectively superior 07th-chart to spam first-time readers with (where by objectively I mean from my perspective, of course). I've read most of Ryuks work, but I have probably missed a number of things regardless, so suggest improvements kudasai.

>> No.27578408

Maybe we're already gonna get Shion in Angel Mort? That's the first scene I can think of where KDad is relevant enough to get his own screenshot.

>> No.27578847

If Onidamashi-hen is "mimicking" Onikakushi-hen, I don't think we'll be getting Shion anytime soon. The PVs show the classic Onikakushi Rena scenes too. But hey, who the fuck knows anything anymore right.

>> No.27579026

>19 subs
'that guy' being you?

>> No.27579087

eh, not necessarily. 07th youtube is a small place. I'm subscribed to Dorito and Ginger, both of which are very smol channels, and I subscribed to this guy as well after the first time one of his videos was linked here.

>> No.27579175

nope. it's just that ciconia barely has a community anywhere so i thought i should let people know.
that video was pretty wild imo but i think some of his other videos were pretty good.

>> No.27579194

Yeah, that's completely fair. I'll give it a watch.

>> No.27579336

>My instinct is that it was created by the people behind the translation
you would be correct https://rokkenjima.org/definitive-guide-every-higurashi-arc-ever/

>> No.27580479

I find it amusing that so many people were triggered when I mentioned the console arcs. I did it because the op asked in case you guys didn't see.
>The VNs are pretty straightforward, 1,2,3, etc, but what about any supplementary and oddly named material?
If he just wanted to know about the order to the canon main arcs he would've asked only for it, and I would answer with only them too. I also warned that they aren't canon nor necessary, with no intention to trigger a "completionist route". Actually EVEN the chart mentions that the main arcs are the full experience.

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not really.
>With the new anime being a continuation and just having learned about Ciconia, I want to try to get into When They Cry for the first time since the heyday of Umineko.
>What is the best order for everything?
that anon was obviously talking about a way to orient himself within the supplementary and oddly named bonus material for the entirety of Ryukishi's work, not the "complete guide to higurashi fanfiction".

>> No.27580711

it's just an allegory for endless june and all the looping

does have a bit of a ep6 logic error vibe to it but that probably really is reaching

>> No.27580807

>notable fanfiction
poor yoigoshi

>> No.27581190

Expanding the console, manga and anime sections and classifying some of them as highlights might not be such a bad idea. Witches and Woodlands is fanfic as well, and I wouldn't want Umi readers to miss out on it. I just want a clear separation between works that are and works that aren't written by Ryukishi, really.

>> No.27581235

>a way to orient himself within the supplementary and oddly named bonus material for the entirety of Ryukishi's work
So? With the chart now he knows what the "oddly named material" is, and if he wants to he can avoid it without worries. Yes, I could've given the simple and straightfoward answer, but my decision to give the complete answer doesn't mean I did something wrong too. In the future he would probably return there and ask "Oh now what about these other arcs, how should I read them?" now he doesn't need to.
To orient oneself doesn't exactly mean one should know only the correct way, the knowledge of the other ways are also useful.

>> No.27581280

>reading comprehension

>> No.27581856

it's okay anon I wouldn't blame you, the problem is the chart itself for not mentioning anywhere that the stuff on the right is (albeit licensed) non-canon.

>> No.27583074

I'm glad then, and now I see where the problem lies, and I'm sorry for dragging this so much.
To the anon in question, >>27563641, if you're still here have in mind that the arcs in the right of the chart aren't written by Ryukishi07, aren't canon and you shouldn't mind them when reading WTC. Just read the main arcs of each VN, the best order being higurashi>saikoroshi>umineko>ciconia (with RGD and Higanbana before Ciconia if you want an even better experience, but these aren't directly related to wtc.)
I hope you didn't find that whole discussion confusing, and feel free to ask
anything here on /jp/, just be careful because these threads are full of spoilers.

>> No.27585035

Didn't Hinamizawa blow up with Rena being the only survivor? How the hell Rika avoiding Takano would make them survive that destruction?

>> No.27585158

>Rena being the only survivor
What? That was an anime only episode.

>> No.27585556

So Hinamizawa never was completely destroyed?

>> No.27585655

No, it was all a witch's illusion.

>> No.27586054

No clue what you're going on about mate, the town only gets genocided because Rika dies and they need to stop the syndrome from advancing

>> No.27586133

Wasn't that a lie or something to blow up the village?

>> No.27586490

No, the lie was that swamp gas killed everyone. Rika's death triggers the Tokyo higher ups to start emergency manual 34 to kill the villager, which Takano does on purpose to validate her research and puts the blame on Irie

>> No.27586531

That is the reason they do it
The reasoning is wrong though, Rika's death is harmless

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>> No.27587906

Well, having watched it I think he's off the mark about the theory of Gunhild being trans. P3 levels would be based in the brain and getting gender reassignment surgery won't change your brainwaves.

One thing that seemed very obvious as a theory to me after watching his video was that Maya/Maja was killed and her brain used to create a CPP for Gunhild, which is why Gunhild can't see her anymore. It would explain her raised P3 levels.

>> No.27587946

>Gunhild being trans
Fuck 07th fans, why are they all so retarded?

>> No.27588022

The VN says women naturally have higher P3 levels than men, so I could see how someone's thoughts could go in that direction. But P3 levels are so obviously related to brainwave activity to me that I can't really consider the theory reasonable.

If Ryukishi reveals they have gender reassignment surgery in Ciconia's world that also happens to completely reprogram the chemical levels in your brain to that of the opposite gender, then we'll talk (and I'll probably get annoyed at him).

>> No.27588127

the video doesn't really say it like that. but his theory is that gunhild used to be a man.

>> No.27588226

yes, it's more that he became a girl for the P3 and so he could whore himself out for connections in the military, so it's not about ideology at all.

>> No.27588382

>so he could whore himself out for connections in the military
Is he Takano?

>> No.27588384

i don't see how that would affect P3 levels unless it's just hormone balance having a major impact on it, which could be the case I guess

the whoring yourself out in the military bit seems more reasonable though

>> No.27588577

also I feel like if it had that much of an effect, all of the male gauntlet knights would be taking HRT and it'd be kind of a big deal, so I doubt it's that

so if gunhild is trans it's probably not for a P3 advantage

>> No.27588677

I don't think you can use that word when he'd still identify as a guy anyway. That's the way this gender ideology stuff works, right?

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>> No.27589033

>according to recent figures from the AOU ministry of gender equality, out of the 15% of boys who become girls 80% still identify as male. 25% pursue some line of work in the sex industry
>by contrast, there are very few girls who chose to become boys. instead girls often undergo "futinarification", retaining their female neurology and biochemistry while gaining male sexual organs. Of the 20% who are at least partially futinarified, 60% are compusory masturbation addicts
truly the AOU is the land of the future.

>> No.27589101

chloe basically confirmed for futa

>> No.27589103

Trash theory. As a matter of fact gunhild is my wife, so she can't be a man.

>> No.27589357

there have been gender themes in Higurashi and Umineko, so you can't say that it's something that R07 wouldn't do

>> No.27589479

I have to agree that if females are better knights they would have been fabricating females only instead of making males to have to transition later on for no fucking reason.
This is literally forcing SJW thematic when there isn't once again for no reason just because since people are having rent free issues as usual.

>> No.27589654

Miyaoの boy(girl) pussy (actual pussy)
Chloeの indecent futa cock
Yasuの sad peehole
Rosaの used loose roastie

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>Chloeの indecent futa cock

>> No.27589831

Sex vs sexuality vs gender roles isn't really an "SJW thematic" though, it's more that progressive academics tackle it in a specific, ideologically charged way that's utterly divorced from reality. I generally don't have any problem with the way Ryukishi incorporates those ideas into his stories.

>> No.27590241

But forcing a trans like this is SJW ideology.

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>> No.27590771
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the field of parallel processing is still young in the ciconia universe, so the AOU government wouldn't immediately begin manufacturing just females just because research seems to indicate that they have higher levels of P3. what if five years later technology advances and males interface better with the new system? also you have to remember that AOU is progressivism land, they probably have laws insure there are always exactly 50% males and 50% females in any area.
not that I think the gunhild theory from the video is all that plausible, but you're reading way too much into it ideology-wise.

>> No.27590998

R07 would be realistic about it (unlike all these deluded SJWs that believe every lie fed to them) and have Gunhild stink, live in constant physical pain, fall asleep easily because she's high on painkillers since early in the morning, spend several hours each day dilating a pus-covered wound between her legs to keep it from healing and be at a risk of developing cancer (especially inside her rotting woundgina) because estrogen does that to males sooner than later.

None of this shit is even remotely implied in the story. It's just ignorant people believing gender surgery and hormone therapy don't turn you into a disgusting, smelly, unhealthy freak.

>> No.27591108

This is the body trannies wish they had, but they never will. Their bullshit only makes me appreciate a natural female body all the more, including their feminine faces and voices.

>> No.27591175

What does she look like? Because I'm not downloading all that shit.

>> No.27591305

>stuck between Rokkenjima where people tippy-toe around anything that might be considered offensive to progressives, a server with literal rules against sexual jokes, and /07th/ where anons lewdpost and obsess over how disgusting trannies are 24/7
I just want a centrist 07th community. Is that too much to ask?

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Which one would Erika go to?

>> No.27591489

Pretty sure Erika and Bern are both right-wing as fuck

>> No.27591514

>implying witches "exist" on the political compass

>> No.27591528

>implying erika gets to choose where she goes

>> No.27591581

>Right-wing politics represents the view that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal, or desirable, typically supporting this position on the basis of natural law, economics, or tradition.

>> No.27591724

No bully

>> No.27591731

That's a shitty definition, do you believe literally every ideology except radical anarchism is right-wing? kys /pol/poster

>> No.27591829

At least here you can say whatever you want

>> No.27592071

why do you think I'm still here?
I can tolerate arguing with crazies, that's just life. It's not being allowed to argue with them, the "let's all pretend to be normal"-act that gets to me.

>> No.27592106

take your meds

>> No.27592136

no u

>> No.27592190

Are you implying this place is far right? We don't give a fuck about trannies being trannies, we only insult them because of all the shit you just described. Pointing out their objectively disgusting tranniness is simply the best way to hurt them. I wouldn't have a problem with trannies that aren't SJWs, but those are hard to find.

>> No.27592297

nah, that's not what I meant. centrism as in, not being obsessed with either puritanism or lewdposting, not being overly polite and non-confrontational nor channelling Erika and going all in on the intellectual rape persona.

>> No.27592325

How can she live with herself?

>> No.27592329

>channelling Erika and going all in on the intellectual rape persona.
This is a bad thing how?

>> No.27592353

You can't give puritans any leeway. They take over any community unless you are ruthless with them. No mercy for those sick fucks.

>> No.27592582

was iwaihime received well in japan?

>> No.27592601
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I'm reading Saku right now, and GOD do I want to impregnate Piece, she's like Erika excpet her smugness gets me hard instead of irritated. I'm hoping I can find some lewds of her after I finish reading but I doubt I'll find any, the internet never lewds what I want to fap to

>> No.27592668

>you are reading saku
did you belive in erikantrice now?

>> No.27592938
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Anyone got any Lambda sprites or gifs from ougon musou?

>> No.27592961

OG Ange body type more or less.

>> No.27593064

>the internet never lewds what I want to fap to
You tell me, my waifu is a main character in an insanely popular Square Enix series and she barely gets ANY porn and literally zero doujins. It's fucking bizarre. My only guess is that... doujinshi authors are afraid of messing with a character owned by Disney.

>> No.27593633

that's a great expression. I bet she's part of the 60%

>> No.27595282

Saku is just an elementary school play. Piece = Midori. You can tell looking at their respective ahegaos.

>> No.27595553

Centrism is a losing position. No matter how insane the left's demands are, you give them legitimacy by halfway agreeing with them. Next week, they'll come up with some new fucking insane murder fantasy and unless you agree with it, you'll wake up a "fascist" without knowing it.
What was the "centrist" position a century ago? Fifty years ago? Or even ten years ago? Even opposing gay marriage would be considered far-right today.
Ignoring the left, and thinking you can get away with minding your own business, means letting them win. And we know this because it has already happened - and it's still happening.

TL;DR leftists consider "centrists" to be legitimate targets, and they - by their own admission - have no will or way to defend themselves.

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I should have read this earlier, it's great so far.

>> No.27596105

>centrism is meeting halfway every time :^)
sasuga brainlets

>> No.27596131

>I'm subscribed to Dorito and Ginger
Try this guy. Once you get past his Quebec accent, he's fucking great, and he's got a Ciconia vid in the works.

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When there's something new to talk about, the lewdposting will take a backseat.
It won't die of course, this is 4chan for fuck's sake, but there's more important things to discuss than cumming all over Erika's thighs.

>> No.27596271

I know you do, Rikafag. Stop indulging in your cult of personality on twitter while continuing to insist that you don't want to be an e-celeb. Just make good content, that's all you ever needed to do.

>> No.27596321

I swear I'm not, but this isn't the first time I've been called Rikafag for recommending his stuff.

>> No.27596407

don't you think lambda's ougon sprite looks a little off?

>> No.27596520

he linked his videos on the chans when he was getting started, and his whole outlook of "le I have no name, I don't want my personality to overshadow my ideas" is peak anonism (get it?). too bad he's become obsessed with his fame, reading every comment on his videos, constantly posting on twitter, to the point where it's getting in the way of what he wanted to do, but I guess I can understand since my psychology is similar. some people are super susceptible to those social affirmation dopamine hits.

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Obligatory 'what do you think everyone?'
I'll implement some backgrounds for the WTC part of the chart tomorrow, so if it's missing something major or there are other problems say so now, before it becomes annoying to change things around.
Oyasumi /jp/

>> No.27598576

I don't know if it's the intention of the chart, but this gives the impression that you need to read Hou to watch Gou. I would say put Gou after Saikoroshi since that's the most likely guess we have.

>> No.27598785

Guys /a/ threads are fucking funny why here are so borings?

>> No.27598840

This is the intellectual discussion board.

>> No.27598872

Are they actually funny? Being funny by making fun of the human condition of Sonozaki Mion isn't funny, it's lewd.

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>intellectual discussion arent funny
only in gender study university were everything you said is an insult

real discussion are fucking fun
discussion and discussion until only 1 idea left alive

>> No.27598942

Erika, you need to work on your English.

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nope they actually discuss about umineko
english must work to adapt to my superior mind

>> No.27598984

The /a/ threads are full of retarded secondaries who want to divide R07 fans.

>> No.27599891

What does "top" mean in this context? Also the console arcs are also official-ish, they're just non-canon.

>> No.27599994

Non-canon can mean "Rika didn't experience this", but it can also mean "the characters are acting retarded and this console arc is edgy nonsense that couldn't possibly happen in the original canon because these writers don't quite understand the characters".

>> No.27600331

officially-sanctioned fanfiction

>> No.27601548

manga is not canon

>> No.27601674
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but if manga is not canon why it confirm Erika=Kanon?

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After being angry about the lack of lewd I tried to do it myself https://i.imgur.com/QNPvkLE.jpg

>> No.27602279

Based anon

>> No.27602568

That's such a lewd bush.

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You forgot the fireflies

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except how do you reconcile that with the fact that Lambdadelta specifically says that Bernkastel only became a witch after finally solving the logic error? The fact that Rika is still in the loop means the logic error is not solved.

>> No.27604307

So I just read Hotarubi yesterday and, really, was there any point to having Takano show up? I understand it's connection to Umineko is just that it's a random game Lambda and Bern played to pass time, but was there really any point to it?

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Additionally, how do you reconcile the fact that Featherine is specifically said to have told Rika/Bernkastel of a path that she never would have considered if it wasn't for her. Since Featherine is in the OP for the anime, isn't this also in the realm of possibility? Featherine never interacted with Rika/Bernkastel in the original Higurashi, and now Featherine has been explicitly shown in the OP. It feels like you are doing mental gymnastics because you want Rika to have a happy ending.

>> No.27605960

Higurashi wasn't a game taking place in a literal gameboard with meta entities arguing in a higher plane. All the references to Higurashi in Umineko are nothing more than metaphors using Umineko terminology, which is pretty obvious when you reread those scenes.

-Higurashi wasn't a gameboard like Umineko, it took place in actual fragments that were all equally real.

-There was no "game" between supernatural entities. It was just Lambda guaranteeing that Takano's efforts would be rewarded in all realities as long as she didn't lose her willpower or someone else had more willpower to oppose her.

-What they mean by "game" is that Hanyuu saved Rika and they tried to overturn the fate promised by Lambdadelta, indirectly challenging her without even knowing she's a thing. It's am indirect game between Hanyuu and Lambda's certainty, taking place across actual parallel universes.

-The "bad game master that caused a logic error and burdened her piece with it" is Hanyuu. Her decision to save Rika started a fight between her and Lambda's guaranteed fate.

-"She started the game herself but lost sight of her goal halfway through". This means she eventually abandoned the original goal of saving Rika, considering it hopeless, and kept telling her to give up and simply enjoy living eternally in june. The game lost its purpose and had no end in sight, because Hanyuu and Rika stopped trying to find a solution. This is what Lambda meant by "logic error". It was a game with no goal, existing for its own sake. It has nothing to do with the literal logic error of Umineko.

-"She left the thinking entirely to her piece". This is self-explanatory. Rika was the only one trying to solve shit and escape, while Hanyuu decided to be useless and told Rika to stop trying to find an exit to the maze.

Higurashi was game in metaphorical terms. But it wasn't a fictional reality created by a GM, it didn't involve truth battles, the opponents didn't even realize the other existed, and the logic error was simply a loss of interest by the person who started the whole thing, turning the game into an endless nightmare with no reason to exist.

As far as we know, Bern met featherine after Higurashi. She could be one of the 5th dimensional ayys from Hanyuu's race, which explains why she can manifest as a human (Ikuko). This is exactly how Hanyuu works. Featherine isn't Hanyuu.

I think this anime is gonna show us how Bern met Lambda and Featherine after escaping the "game" (which she did, as the "logic error" was simply Hanyuu's loss of interest that prevented her from incarnating as a human again or actively fight to find out the truth). Now that Rika had a happy ending, Bernkastel is free to explore the kakeraverse without being tied to her. This is when she creates the Saikoroshi world (Matsuribayashi secret ending). The new anime shows us Bern's story after that, when she decides to possess Furude Rika's body in a fragment (much like Rika herself did hundreds of times) to enjoy being human again and do interesting shit. It's like when she played with Beatrice's abandoned gameboard after Battler got his happy ending in EP6. Except this is no gameboard, she's a voyager witch exploring other realities using "Furude Rika"'s body as a vessel.

This could also be the reason Rika's friends (especially K1, Rena and the twins) appear so... empty and inhuman in the OP. From Bern's perspective, they are no longer important people, just "pieces" (figuratively speaking) for her amusement. Satoko and Hanyuu's eyes look more human in the OP, which makes sense because Bern is still attached to them. This is before Lambda and Featherine meet her and show her the path of sadism. She probably doesn't come back to any Hinamizawa fragment after that.

Basically, I think this is a fragment where Rika is possessed by the actual Bernkastel after matsuri.

>> No.27606037

Long story short, the original Rika we met in Higurashi has nothing to do with this anime. She's not here. Her story ended in Saikoroshi.

>> No.27606262

Also, I think it's dumb to retroactively apply Umineko rules and game masters and shit to Higurashi. Umineko NEVER implies any of that, it doesn't retcon a thing.

People are just misunderstanding Lambda's ddescription of Higurashi's events and taking every word literally. This is obviously not what the author intended and it cheapens both stories. It's the ultimate goat "theory".

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>> No.27607379

I'll be laughing at you when you get absolutely btfo'd.

>> No.27607440

I think the Opening hints at a world where all of Rika's friends go insane and do horrible shit at the same time. This is why they all look so damn CREEPY. It's not a world "our Rika" visited, but rather one chosen by Bernkastel. Which means the Rika running up a hill in the OP is probably innocent loli Rika, scared out of her wits because she found something horrible. Maybe Shion murdered Satoko or Keiichi killed someone in his paranoia. While she's running into the forest, she is possessed by Bernkastel and the OP ends.

Maybe she chose this world because it somehow allows Rika to exist past june, Takano's plan fails (murdered for real or just bad luck, she no longer has divine protection from Lambda in all realities so a world like this can exist) and Rika's friends do something awful. This results in a world where Rika has no friends left and is sent to St. Lucia, which is an unexplored scenario that Bern would want to see. Remember that Matsuribayashi ended with her declaring that she would alter things on a whim in many worlds to entertain herself. EXACTLY what she might be doing here.

>> No.27607529

I'll go back to posting humiliation.

I'm probably wrong about the anime, but you are stupid if you think the EP6 explanation of Higurashi isn't a metaphor. Everything I described is clear as day if you reread both novels using critical thinking.

>> No.27607593

You don't even respond to the right page. Lambdadelta SAYS IN THAT PAGE, that when Bernkastel finally made it out of the timeloop, (And we know that it's a time loop from the way Lambdadelta describes) she became a witch. You never responded to a single thing on that page.

>> No.27607696

The way Bernkastel talks to Featherine, heavily implies that she met Featherine during the time loop of Hinamizawa and that Featherine specifically showed Bernkastel a solution to her issue, one that led to the birth of Bernkastel as we know her in Umineko.

>> No.27607755

Since second episode day shitstorm with the /a/ threads i realized It's not worth so much tryhard about the subject. My head was spinning from trying to think but in the end realized we dont have enough information to take any good conclusions.
We should think stuff like why Rena is different now and the autism breaks things like that.
You are all forgetting how Ryukishi trolls and baits fake information many times.

There are still people certain Rika going to meet Ange in St Lucia because its the same school when its not even close to being a fact that Umineko is in the same parallel dimension as Higurashi. With the same reasoning Horutabi Miyo Takano would experience Higurashi as well?

>> No.27607816

Again, what you said is exactly a metaphor, but the logic error Rika was stuck in was a timeloop. This is also further proven by the words spoken by lambdadelta talking about how they need to constantly make sure that they are out of the logic error. Most likely because Rika got baited and switched so many times with a good end only to end up back where she started, that she no longer has the ability to discern whether she has truly left the logic error(Time Loop)

>> No.27607878

I mean who isn't to say that Featherine (Hachijo Ikuko) didn't write both stories in universe?

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>the Rika running up a hill in the OP is probably innocent loli Rika, scared out of her wits because she found something horrible
Very likely. It can't be the usual Rika because she's not a part of this story anymore. And it can't be Bernkastel (yet) because she was already pretty smug even in Higurashi and I can't imagine her being so scared. It's human Rika with the mind of an 11 year old, moments before being taken over by Bern.

Speaking of human Rika, I always wanted to know what she's like. Hanyuu described her briefly in a TIP and also said she was already pretty weird due to Hanyuu teaching her things. But I always wondered how innocent she really was. It's clear that whenever "Rika" is trying to hide her true personality, she fakes being innocent too hard and comes off as an autist. I bet she never did that before her first death, so her friends probably find her really weird whenever "Rika" enters a new world and starts faking her reactions in an exaggerated way. Rika is terrible at imitating her original self and doesn't realize she's overdoing it.

More than anything, I want to see human Rika laugh for real like a cute loli and actually mean it. "Rika" never laughs even once in the entire series, she just nipaahs because she's dead inside.

>> No.27608045

As well that.
Same thing for all being brain in jar simulations in Ciconia.
Or everything are experiences in Hell of Horutabi.

We totally need to make good quality Iceberg macros with these for some good laughts.

>> No.27608200

>when its not even close to being a fact that Umineko is in the same parallel dimension as Higurashi
This is your argument against it? I think the fact that Rika would be 21 years old by the time Ange finishes elementary school and is sent there is a much more important contradiction.

>> No.27608279

It should also be mentioned that Bernkastel is a witch of miracles because she knows that they do not exist, which is in contrast to Battler's status as a Sorcerer of Miracles, because he knows that they absolutely do exist. It wouldn't make sense for the witch that was born out of Rika experiencing a miracle to have the view that Miracles do not exist.

>> No.27608416

Where did I say it wasn't a time loop? My point is that it wasn't a literal unstoppable time loop, it was a time loop that only existed because Hanyuu refused to find Rika's killer and was content with spending eternity repeating the same few months. This already got resolved in Higurashi.

I doubt Ryuukishi would retroactively shit on Matsuribayashi and Saikoroshi, 20 years after the story ended on a happy note. The whole point of Saikoroshi was for Rika to learn to appreciate her life and live normally. It would lose all meaning if it suddenly got retconned into a fake-out ending decades after the story was concluded.

>> No.27608513

>ITT: Uminekofags misunderstanding the Higurashi lore because they read it after and accepting even metaphors as facts because they can't understand anything implicit
Literally goats.

>> No.27608581

>she just nipaahs because she's dead inside.
She nippahs because its some kind of Jedi mind trick for normies (read: non-Rikas and Hanyuu) so they think Rika is normal and not acting strange for a 11 year old.

>I always wanted to know what she's like.
Shes Frederica, she can't go back. She can deny but shes still Frederica unless she loses memories.

Considering the new anime I think my headcanon of Rika is closer then I thought but we will see that later. She seems to be literally bored, I am not sure if I making up but Gou-Rika seem to try to make herself creepier then usual in terms of how she says things, the zombie tag game and something else I dont remember also had creepiness. At the same time she seems to be very serious and caring about the people and keeps patting them almost like in a religious sense by giving them blessings. I noticed the scene how slow Rika stands up and moves towards Tomitake to pat him and also noticed in Gou how certain scenes take more time and detail then usual like pointing at them for viewers to pay attention.

>> No.27608615

That's absolutely what I am saying is going to happen. Ryukishi07 is going to completely confirm the bad end for Rika, and bring the WTC Series even more connected with each other.

>> No.27608634

>It wouldn't make sense for the witch that was born out of Rika experiencing a miracle to have the view that Miracles do not exist.
Except she wasn't born out of that. She already existed for hundreds of years before Rika pulled her miracle in the last arc. That miracle simply released her from her ties to Rika and allowed her to become a full-fledged witch. She is still fucked and the miracle only exists for Rika.

You are quite confused about what happened in Higurashi.

>> No.27608657

If Featherine is involved the possibility is greater than zero, which means there is the chance for a miracle.

>> No.27608769

>Shes Frederica, she can't go back. She can deny but shes still Frederica unless she loses memories.
I was very clearly referring to the original Rika before time-traveling Rika takes over her body. How did you even misread my post?

>> No.27608842

The running Rika in the OP is almost certainly the high school version of Rika.

>> No.27608898

I'm so curious to see where this anime will lead to. It has the power to totally break the Higurashi fandom in two depending on what Ryukishi does with the plot. Personally, I'm good with any direction he takes, but I'm sure if he gambles a lot with his options there'll be people saying it isn't canon, just like there are still people who debate shkanontrice.
Until that it's a lot of fun to read these theories of you guys.

>> No.27608922

In that case I don't know if she knew Hanyuu before so if she did probably average imaginary friend kid weirdo or something, if not I don't believe she nippah'd, maybe just a quiet kid and shy nothing special really its how I see it.

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The Rika running in the OP is high school Rika.
There is no debate there.

>> No.27609096

I guess it to show the connection between Lambda and Takano?

Hell, Rika might as well stays a game piece at this point.

>> No.27609158

The anime has already broke it in two. You haven’t seen all the people complaining about R07 shitting on the original story just to milk Higurashi for more money?

>> No.27609231

I don't see that perspective. Umineko already retroactively deconfirms the happy end for Rika.

>> No.27610487

Their connection could already be easily identified though if you paid a sliver of attention to anything Lambda said about Higurashi in Umineko, so did Ryukishi write that in just to spoon-feed the dumb readers? I'm probably overthinking things here though.

>> No.27612412

>case I don't know if she knew Hanyuu before
Did you only watch the anime? The VN clearly says multiple times that they've always known each other and there are even two whole TIPs explaining it from Hanyuu's perspective.

>> No.27612489

>high school
Why do Americucks call middle school "junior high" or whatever? It makes no sense.

>> No.27612607

Why do retards call junior high "middle school" or whatever? It makes no sense.

>> No.27612658

>I don't see that perspective.
What perspective? Bern existing before that is shown multiple times in the VN. Hell, she's the one responsible for making the Matsuribayashi world possible and we see her existing in the Minagoroshi intro.

>Umineko already retroactively deconfirms the happy end for Rika
Bern is not Rika. She's a separate character born from Rika long before Higurashi starts. This isn't my opinion, it's right there in Higurashi. Umineko didn't retroactively change anything.

>> No.27614455

good shit

>> No.27614563


What the fuck? Why do japs have such terrible taste?

>> No.27615096
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You guys watched the new anime's ep 2 interview right?

>> No.27615114

>Satoko screaming like an animal while Teppei and his buddies fuck her sweaty ass on a hot summer day

>> No.27615141

Ryuu was making a Blueyao face thinking about the incoming mindfuck/troll.

>> No.27615169

It really is a shame, especially if you start with umineko, gives you terminal brain cancer.

>> No.27615290

>The director mentioning high school Satoko
>Also confirming to our face that there's a fuck ton of hints in the anime's opening
>The new anime will be mostly on Rika's perspective
>'And I think everyone will see a new side of RIka' -wink wink-

>> No.27615337


This author's doujins are more canon than the console arcs. Takano is mode true to her original character and they even had Satoko grow a few pubes a year after the original ending.

She gets raped by uncle Teppei in this one, though.

>> No.27615381

Satoko isn't a humiliatee, so she probably would get sore from humping that bear before she gets even close to cumming. She doesn't enjoy being watched and degrades.

>> No.27615449

>you can literally count her pubes because she has so few
Pathetic! She fails as a female! Rena and Mion are far superior despite being only four years older! Humiliating!

>> No.27615518

I expected Satoko to start crying in shame and have a violent freakout, wishing she hadn't been saved right in the middle of her rape. I bet she can't look at any of them in the face anymore, knowimg they heard her screaming while getting raped and they'll always remember that when they look at her.

>> No.27615567 [DELETED] 

>page 53
I-Is that the H-word?

>> No.27615592

>page 33
I-Is that the H-word?

>> No.27615698

I love these. It's interesting to see a world where Satoshi gets over the murder and doesn't become ill. And seeing Rena's friends talk about her being a fucking mental case behind her back is hella humiliating.

>> No.27616213

SHkanontrice is fake
read my manifesto

>> No.27616306

If Satoko isn't meant to be lewded, why does she have a fully-functioning clit?

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Satoshi is a siscon

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guys i am watching umineko anime and Maria before speak about the letter ask to George if the moment was ok

so for Maria George is a freind of Beatrice
so George is culprit

>> No.27616884

Remember to ignore Erikanon even when he pretends not to be him by talking about something else. His bad grammar and lack of proper punctuation are a dead giveaway.

DO NOT fall for such an obvious trick. Ignore.

>> No.27616924

>His bad grammar and lack of proper punctuation are a dead giveaway.
fuck off to reddit
> he pretends not to be him by talking about something else
i am talking with /jp/ not with 1bit goats like you

>> No.27616934


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>> No.27617109

Say the line, Rika

>> No.27617174
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Ye, good catch
I'm unsure as to whether the chart should feature all the manga productions Ryuks was technically involved in, and if yes to what extent (Higu manga (+Gou), Umi manga, Fireflies, Harem Royale, Bakemonotachi, etc.).
It means I'm willing to compromise with you consolefags and acknowledge that you want other people to read your favourite pseudo-official Higurashi fanfiction. I think we should list other celebrated fanfic as well (say, at least anything that won an official contest), but I don't really know anything about those so I wouldn't know what to include.

It might also be good to include a short synopsis for each main title (probably in smaller font).

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>> No.27617242

I think the problem with console stuff is that MANY people get confused and have the impression that Higurashi is a mess of dozens of arcs and shit. Too many people keep asking "how to get started with Higurashi" because the series appears to be a clusterfuck of random arcs, even though none of this crap matters and the series is actualy a simple progression from arc 1 to arc 9.

I think it's a problem that a series so straightforward in its chapter order is thought of as an unapproachable mess by newbies.

>> No.27617593

Satoko is so much cuter than her random loli classmates. And yet... the ass has equalized. She's not superior to any of them.

>> No.27618383
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Yeah, I'm hoping the red-blue color-coding + synopses will make things clearer for newcomers compared to the console arc flow chart.

>> No.27619836

Honestly, I say go for it. It would be nice to have an organized reference diagram of all the works Ryukishi was involved in. You should probably make a separate category for works that Ryukishi was only involved in to a minor extent though.

>> No.27621139
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I could add another row underneath the non-wtc VNs, but at a certain point listing too much bonus material might get disorienting in its own right.

>> No.27622642

Honestly looks good enough as it is. Anything more could get more difficult for newcomers to understand. I would remove that arrow that goes from the answer arcs of Umineko and return to it, looks confusing. (Look in the lines between Umineko and Tsubasa in the chart)

>> No.27623667

I still want to write some descriptions for the minor vns at least, but yeah. don't mind the various visual bugs

>> No.27625054

The interview before the episode aired or any new one?

>> No.27625211

Erikantrice theme song

>> No.27625657

fuck off
this is literrally Shkanontrice theory

>> No.27626227

During magic ending you fucking retard.
Learn the lore.

>> No.27626626


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Alright, I'm pretty happy with this.

>> No.27627688

It’s a small thing, but I like the small plot descriptions you put in for the 3 WTCs. Are those descriptions official or did you write them yourself?

>> No.27627881
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do you think they'd fit into the boxes so neatly if I hadn't?
and thanks

>> No.27628206

you should make it more clear the difference between dark and light red, maybe in the legend

>> No.27628327

That's great.
Add nude Satoko somewhere and I'll kiss your dick.

>> No.27628876

I've never read a console arc in my life, just a couple of manga-only arcs.

Anyway this chart >>27627499 now looks very nice, I approve.

>> No.27629657
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>Core Experience
>Phase 1

>> No.27629889

there is a hidden benis somewhere in the image

>> No.27629974
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N-news in november

>> No.27630013
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Already spoilered that just one murder occures on Watanagashi.
Redo it and write "murders do or do not necessarily happen".

>> No.27630645

>a murder and a disappearance

>> No.27630883

isn't that esx more suspicious because it's unnecessarily descriptive? this kind of description is supposed to be a sales pitch for new readers, to make them go "oh, so maybe the village isn't so idyllic after all, huh?". noone would take it seriously enough to infer anything major from the wording if it's simple enough.

>> No.27630926

Even if they are equally pathetic and wretched, Satoko is still superior because she's cute.

>> No.27631176 [SPOILER] 
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Sometimes I get the feeling these threads are filled with retards and nothing else.
But then, out of nowhere, blessed posters like you come forth and convince me otherwise.
Here, take this self-made Rena as a thank you gift from me.

>> No.27631384

a new one

>> No.27632013

sauce pls

>> No.27632160


>> No.27632225

Absolute trash

>> No.27632431

The thought of Kinzo raping his Beatrice daughter turns me on. I need visuals.

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>> No.27632821

Realistic Ryukishi hands.
Maybe better than his actually

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>> No.27633012

That's a very cute Rena, thank you.
Italianon probably bullied away more than a few good anons, but honestly I still don't feel like I have anywhere else to go in the 07th community. The way the Hinamizawa jannies run their server to be "welcoming" according to their particular political standards is, ironically, exclusionary to people who want to speak their mind freely.

>> No.27633296


>> No.27633451

Sometimes it's best not to overthink things and just go with what's in front of you.

>> No.27634598

Today is my rori cousinのbirthday!

>> No.27634625

How so?

>> No.27635593
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What is the problem of people who hate Ikuko=Yasu?

>> No.27635630

Did the english version keep it in english?

>> No.27635655
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would you submit under my ideological axioms for the sake of peace and harmony? let's say my religious beliefs contradict your atheist ones, my understanding of gender contradicts your self-image and so on, would you agree to quietly tolerate my self-expression while censoring yourself so as to not "make things awkward"?
imposing rules around one groups 'right to feel 'safe' and 'valid'' equals invalidating and repressing all viewpoints that go counter to that positivity. alternatively you could have real ideological plurality at the expense of allowing people to potentially invalidate each others identities, and that's how things should be in a fandom that has a broad range of perspectives, but it seems like you're sure you're on the right side of history and you don't have to tolerate all those useless harmful opinions.

>> No.27635681

They have a brain, 80IQ poster.

>> No.27635730

just gay and stupid anon for ignore what is written in the VN

>> No.27635771

Oh, I didn't even realize it was you.

>> No.27635793

this mean i have rigth you stupid anon

>> No.27636087

Hate is an irrational reason to justify a disagreement. Intelligence won't prevent irrational thinking. So
is talking trash.

>> No.27636165

>disagreement is hate
>resorts to insults
Yeah, I can see why this fandom isn't welcome on /a/.

>> No.27636226


>> No.27636269

>reading comprehension.
anon is responding to the idea that people who disagree with Yasu=Ikuko are "haters" by pointing out that >>27635681s "argument" for disagreeing with those "haters" is just "lol they dumb"

>> No.27636306

I must admit after reading the manifesto I was filled with newfound love for umineko.

>> No.27636380

why explain to us what of my manifesto make you get interest again

>> No.27636479

>my manifesto
I thought it was our manifesto?

>> No.27636531

i just use the term my to make you understand that i am the author

>> No.27636615

Infectious enthusiasm? I dunno. Shit like different culprits every game is trash so I was glad to not see it, and in general looking at a story through a new lens is refreshing.

>> No.27636678

if you have critics or advice be fre to insult me
your opinion is the only way to improve OUR manifesto

>> No.27636713
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Jizz on her underwear, wrap it up in gift wrapping and put it in her present pile while no one is looking. If there's at least one more male cousin you should be clear if you play your cards right. The expression on her pathetic face will be hilarious, specially if you pick an extra cute set of panties she loves using. Even after it's washed clean that scene will stay in her mind forever, whenever she uses it she'll picture your slimy cum rubbing against her cunny and she'll shiver for reasons she can't understand. Even 10 years later when she'll be getting plowed by some no name idiot that'll leave her in a week she'll smell that musky scent and remember that time her pure underside was roughly violated by someone she thought was a cool dude that she loved. Even after she forgets your name your act will live on, you'll become a God! Don't miss this opportunity anon I beg of you, few get the chance to live on like this! Imagine, you'll be able to cast dozens of years of trauma on a pathetic lewd little girl with just one simple prank. Don't feel guilty about it either, she probably begs for cum while she masturbates to her favorite k pop idol or whatever the fuck she's into, she probably doesn't even know what cum looks like... well, why don't you show her?

>> No.27636835

Omedetou, did you gift her a copy of season 1 of DEENgurashi? If not you still have another chance with Christmas!

>> No.27636885

Isn't it kind humiliating to celebrate the day on which your cousinの literal naked loli ass was first shown to the world? Might as well call it "butt-naked day".

>> No.27636902
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don't let the witch of dailectical materialism get to you anon, spirit 'exists'!

>> No.27636960

That's the spirit, comrade!

>> No.27637024

thanks GULAG for all Shkanontrice fags

>> No.27637062

Why gulag for the real solution?

>> No.27637083

that's communism for you

>> No.27639016

Cute anon. Keep it up!

>> No.27639159

Just finished first part of Higanbana. Better than I expected, and the music was great. Still can't believe his solution to the conflict in the final chapter was murdering 40 kids.
How is the second part?

>> No.27639214
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updated the legend and did some final clean up
If any of you anons want to try making a chart at some point, I used https://app.diagrams.net/ to build the basis. It's surprisingly intuitive.

>> No.27639721
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Does anyone have a webm of this scene with moe takano? if not I'll make one myself

>> No.27639776

Takano's stock is plummeting! plummeting! Rika, harbinger of the bear market!

>> No.27639940

Just as good in my opinion. A few of the solutions where a bit unexpected but can be a bit predicable. Also the last one gave me alot of feels

>> No.27639993

Ask away!

>> No.27640203

Really good, anon! Thank you.

>> No.27640307

i never knew takano could be cute

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>> No.27640538

some things are better left unanswered

>> No.27640540
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it's time for the end of the italianon dream

>> No.27640597

Does anyone know if it's possible to get the umineko script as just a text file with all the lines and nothing else?

>> No.27640646
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>Japanese woman in the 80's
Not even once

>> No.27641035

Retarded italianon supporter

>> No.27641156

Like how anon? I have a few files in the Mega that's just text of certain things. Likes as in speech/writing or lines as in code?
MISC>Scripts>Umi+Chiru for just english text.

>> No.27641198


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>> No.27641271


>> No.27641462

>Is Miyo Takano shaving?

>> No.27641821

thaks anon to made me aware of this
i already send my message for r07
i wish finnally after 10 years the witch can finnally sleeps

>> No.27642354
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>there will never be an anNina ED for Higurashi Gou
damn shame

>> No.27642822

Where does one even find this obscure stuff for preservation purposes? I mean the original audio file, not some youtube reencode.

>> No.27643487

The game text like the dialogue and narration

>> No.27643584

I'm going to take a screenshot of this testament, to post on / a / when R07 kicks your ass with the script for the new anime.

>> No.27643585

I checked the thing in the mega and that's kind of what I want but with just the text and not any of the other syntax. I guess I might have to make a script to parse the text and get what I want but that sounds hard

>> No.27643700

Oh wait I'm stupid there's already a thing in there like that
That's exactly what I want yay

>> No.27643810

RyukishAI soon?

>> No.27644020

That's what I'm attempting yes
I doubt it will work well because I have no experience with this and am not very smart but we'll see

>> No.27644027

My theory will be proven from, but the entire first half of my post is simply Higurashi lore and the truth. It saddens me that Uminekofags are incapable of understanding Higurashi and have a warped perception of its meta.

>> No.27644036

the human condition of anonymous

>> No.27644052

*wrong. Proven wrong.

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The Bernkastel origin cat box is about to be opened soon.
Goodluck anons.

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>> No.27644190
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Berkastle is the rapresentation of Battler's family culprit theory

>> No.27644205

Well you have my support.

>> No.27644304

The amount of vitriol this post gets even though it's simply an innocent theory is hard to understand. Isn't the anime confusing on purpose to encourage people to theorize in this way? Why the hate? Nobody is saying it's correct, it's just a theory.

It's almost like people are actually mad about having their flawed understanding of Higurashi exposed and corrected, and direct that anger towards an unrelated theory that has nothing to do with it.

>> No.27644654

How are they superior? Satoko is cuter and can get away with making a scene because she's considered a kid. She's superior as a human living in society.

>> No.27644844

Why do people think the girl in the OP is teenage Satoko? That's the signature Lambda/Miyoko hairstyle, so it has to be one of the two in a middle schooler body.

Plus, Satoko will probably kill herself when she's old enough to feel the guilt of killing her own parents. Rika figuratively killed her own parents hundreds of times and lost all respect for them, and she had to dedicate the entirety of Saikoroshi to fixing this sin. Satoko doesn't have that luxury, so she'll be overwhelmed by the guilt and commit sudoku.

>> No.27645018

>Higurashi lore and the thruth
Seriously this guy believes that there is an absolute truth in the universe of 07exp.

>> No.27645260

Watch the new interview.

>> No.27646473

Fuck you faggot, Takano not shaving is canon unlike your schizophrenic ramblings

>> No.27646654

>takano not shaving
she is in military , not shaving is a crime in the army

>> No.27646668

I just figured out something about the anime, but I'll wait for the next thread or it'll get buried here. I think I know how this will relate to Onikakushi and how it will surprise us.

>> No.27647774

I've been thinking about it but what are you gonna do? Like what type of thing it will be and what it's limits on certain things. Does it do better if the speech lines have there respective names like. [Keiichi: "Satoko has a ***, sweet."] Since I've kinda been doing that and made the Higanabana script.

>> No.27647898

There's nothing sweet about Satoko having one o' those.

>> No.27647972

I don't really know what I'm going to do with it. For now I'm just training it on the Umineko script.
It's mostly nonsense though. And it puts ellipses everywhere for some reason, does ryukishi really use ellipses that much?

>> No.27648032

>does ryukishi really use ellipses that much
yes, you've never noticed his obnoxious use of ellipses?

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I want her to spin like this on top of my dick

>> No.27648824

We all do, Tomitake-san.

>> No.27649328
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For the record, these kinds of models indeed work better the more metadata there is, so having information like speaker on each line is helpful. The optimal input would be a format roughly like this:

The background is of a green field with a blue sky.
Keiichi (smiling): Hi Rena!
Rena (confused, blushing): Hauu~

Here the text inside parens should be a human readable representation of a sprite like Re_se_na_a1.

Here's a new ciconiafied version of Shannon so you know which anon I am.

>> No.27649378

Maria is hontoni. Hella hontoni. Incredibly hontoni. So hontoni. The actual, literal hontoniness of an actual, literal autistic rori kiddo.

>> No.27649415

OG Shannon is precious. PS3fags are missing out.

>> No.27649975

How the fuck does Ryuukishi hide his real name so well for so long?

>> No.27650055

You still don't know Ryukishi's real name?

>> No.27650066

>Implying Ryuukishi07 isn't his real name

>> No.27650283

Based post.
I hope this is true.

>> No.27650500

Oh, alright then.

>> No.27650539

>an unexplored scenario that Bern would want to see
This reminds me... didn't she say she would scheme to have Akasaka join Takano?

>> No.27650603

How come Fat GDS goon is so lame when Fat GDS goon (bald) is so based?

>> No.27653247

I think someone killed teen Rika and the root cause of that event is hidden in 1983 Hinamizawa. Who could it be and why? Maybe one of the Tokyo big shots that got fucked over? Maybe Okonogi? The Meow-looking loli at the school? You never know why someone might hold a secret grudge. Hell, maybe she was gang raped and killed by Tomita and Okamura. Those kids were always perverts in the making.

The end part of the OP implies Rika killed herself with that shard, which also looks like a piece of the sword that killed Hanyuu.

>> No.27653569

>07th Mod now supports OG BGs
One step closer to perfection.

>> No.27653930

>Maybe one of the Tokyo big shots that got fucked over? Maybe Okonogi?
I doubt it'd be some new character or someone as obvious as Okonogi if they're going to switch things up.
It might be Nomura since she already knows about Rika's condition and planned to use her in the past.

>> No.27654202

What if this is a fragment where Takano and Irie find out about the magical/alien properties of these parasites and they decide to investigate this God Syndrome instead? What if Lambda is actually a version of Takano that managed to tap into the higher dimensions by studying the parasites from a metaphysical point of view? She would become a meta entity after uncovering its secrets and injecting herself with the ayy drug. Her appearance as Lambdadelta looks like Miyoko because deep down Takano was always a young girl with unresolved trauma. And she really likes gory and disturbing stuff, which fits Lambda pretty well.

Didn't Hou reveal that Hanyuu is a literal manifestation of the Hinamizawa Syndrome, kind of like the organics automata are a bunch of 8MS taking the shape of a human?

>> No.27654461

I wish I could look up the anime without seeing dozens of secondaries making sóyfaces in the thumbnails and treating my favorite series like a shallow edgy anime about "killer lolis" and gore.

It feels like seeing my beloved cousin raped in the ass on live TV. It's humiliating in a bad way.

>> No.27654663

What if Rika and Satoko meet a teenage version of Midori-chan at St. Lucia? She's rich as fuck, the stories take place around the same time and she's by far the most popular Higanbana character.


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It'd be an instant 10/10.

>> No.27654988

Humiliatee Midori stripped naked by Bully Rika and Bully Satoko! Even though they are just country bumpkins! They still ganged up on her and destroyed her pride!

>> No.27655166

Could you please stop making me hard every time I come here?

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How about a regular history version of an RGD character? I suspect Nina is a nearly 50 year old Hinamizawa housewife, probably one of those that gives Rika sweets when she shops. She goes by Ninagi Mio in this reality and she's NOT a prostitute or a mafia member, just a good old Hinamizawa villager with a husband and kids. Kimiyoshi Natsumi looks a bit like her, and she's almost canon because she was acknowledged by the fighting game, so maybe she's her daughter. Nina might have married old man Kimiyoshi's son and lost her maiden name.

It's also implied that Meryl is Takano's aunt who died in WW2 and never had the chance to become a prostitute or change her name to a westernized one. Both characters are named "Tanashi Miyoko", which means Meryl was the sister of Miyoko's dad and they named Miyoko after her. Her dad said they had no family left to take care of Miyoko after he died because they all perished in WW2, so it all fits. In RGD it's probably Miyoko's dad who dies during the great disaster, so Miyoko was never born at all and her aunt is a sorry ass prostitute.

>> No.27655529

Wouldn't surprise me to see Midori and Nina in the anime. A Meow lookalike already had a cameo and knowing Ryuukishi it might even lead to something juicy. What if the random Meow loli gets kidnapped by Tokyo and experimented on, forced into a matrix that simulates a post-WW3 scenario so they can prepare for the future?

>> No.27655715

I'm trying to imagine Meryl not being a "lady of the night" and actually having dignity. It's harder than imagining Naima without the hijab. It would be quite the mindblowing sight.

>> No.27655958

Holy fuck. I wonder if there are any other RGD characters that are secretly in the background in WTC. Probably not though. Those two are supported by plenty of hard evidence, but you'd have to make shit up to even suspect someone else of being involved.

>> No.27656228

>a teenage kid named Shion brutally killed Nina's father-in-law in a parallel world
Wait, now that I think about it. Didn't a middle aged woman phone the Maebara house in Watanagashi-hen to ask about Kimiyoshi's disappearance? Is this technically Nina's first line of dialog, a decade before her introduction in RGD? Obviously not the same "person", but still the same physical human.

That's fucking insane.

>> No.27656635

The Rose Guns Days world is depressing because there was no revenge for Pearl Harbor. No atomic bombs = no crazy Japs making anime. Imagine a world with no otaku culture, only commie chink propaganda and a Japan that has lost its culture and traditional folklore. This world probably leads to WW3 as well because there is no anti-nuclear treaty and the world will only realize how destructive nuclear bombs are when several countries are already throwing them at each other.

>> No.27656763

I even assumed Ciconia was a continuation of the RGD timeline until they brought up manga and otaku stuff. It's definitely a thematic follow-up and even the structure will apparently be the same.

>> No.27657014

I don't remember the Onisarashi manga too well. Didn't Natsumi live with her grandma or something? Or was that after her parents got gassed by Takano and she survived because she was in Okinomiya?