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[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

The music from these scenes onward was fucking awesome.

[Anonymous No.]

Sure he lost this fight, but those who favor the fantasy view, this and Jessica's scene where determination became magic has important implications in the future

[Anonymous No.]

I found George's fight to be much more entertaining. He showed skill, and thought into how he attacked. Also, his, "magic" worked out much better.

I wasn't impressed with jessica at all. RAH I ATTACK AGAIN AND AGAIN, yeah that determination is nice and all, but there wasnt much to it. Hell Ronove could have attacked just once and that would have been it for her.

I also found George's answer to be much better as well. FUCK YEAH all for love, he's a true bro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2739546
I fully agree with that, and I feel that we will see more awesome George in the episodes to come.

[Anonymous No.]

How many more episodes are there? I only want to play it when it's done.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2739512
It was the same in Higurashi. Tanako's unshakable determination became Rika's unshakable fate.

[Anonymous ‮^_^ ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !Jones4ZrPA No.]

>>2739612
Good luck avoiding spoilers for years.

[Anonymous No.]

>suddenly, ______ is awesome.jpg
Accurate representation of every Umineko episode.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2739612
Just play it now.

Umineko is mostly meant for discussion, it needs to be incomplete for that to be possible.

So play it, catch up, and join the discussion.

[Anonymous No.]

>FUCK YEAH all for love, he's a true bro.
What the fuck are you talking about.

[Anonymous No.]

I love this face.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2739643

The man needs a monocle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2739612

Hurry up and play it now dammit. all 4 question arcs are translated, thats all you should need for now. It'll be another 2 years before all the answer arcs are out and translated

[Anonymous No.]

>>2739633
I don't know about that. I still don't really care for George, Jessica, or Shannon.

[Anonymous No.]

did you say something nigga?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2739664
>>2739636

Alright, thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2739677

[Anonymous No.]

>>2739546
I agree, but Jessica still surprised me for fighting back after the answer she gave.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2739643
The fuck do you mean "only if he's hot"?

You'd fuck goats if you could you dirty slut.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't understand how some people manage to hate Ange.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2739939
I don't hate her. I actually like her very much.

But she is fucking nuts.

[Anonymous No.]

George's strong determination this chapter was awesome. he WILL become the next head.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2739939

I used to hate her, until I finished EP4. Now I like her, but not nearly as much as other characters, such as Beato, Maria, or Bern.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2739939
who else cried like a bitch when she told battler that she was his little sister and called him onii-chan telling him that she was waiting for him to come home.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2739994
Uu-uu
;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>2739994

The first time Umineko has gotten me all misty. Yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2739939
I don't have a dakimakura of Ange, so I just have to pretend that my bodypillow is her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2739978
The next head will be Battler.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740023
>>2739999
>>2739994
does this mean that no one else felt really bad for beatrice whenever Ange showed up and smashed her golden land with maria, and then when she begged battler to kill her? (wether she was faking it or not, which I doubt she was)

[Anonymous ‮^_^ ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !Jones4ZrPA No.]

>>2740090
Troll me once, shame on you.
Troll me twice, shame on me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740090
no

[Beatrice the Golden !WITCHqFSq2 No.]

I felt kind of bad, but quickly forgot about it after seeing how badass Ange was in that scene.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740090
I don't trust her for a second.

NOT
AGAIN

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740090
That's a different Beatrice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740090
actually when she was crying to battler about who was she and all that shit, i was like, enough bullshit just kill her.. and then lambda said those red sentences

fuck

[Beatrice the Golden !WITCHqFSq2 No.]

>>2740104
>>2740120

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740090

No, I felt really bad for Beato. I actually shed some tears. I hate Ange, stupid cunt ruins everything. I was glad when she turned into ground beef.

[Beatrice the Golden !WITCHqFSq2 No.]

>>2740136
All Ange wanted was her onii-chan.
Would you deny the pure love of an adorable little sister?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740136

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740136
World of Golden Witches?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740090
In the tea party, she was obviously trying to get Battler to hate her and try to kill her considering almost everything that wasn't red that she said was insulting Ange to get Battler angry. In a way Beatrice was helping Ange because she sacrificed herself to get Battler to fight and Beatrice kept on reminding Battler about that.

BeatricexAnge doujins where

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740170
Not to mention she let stupid shit like the tummy-bombs count as unargued blue truths.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740136
I don't hate Ange, I think shes a badass, but I also feel that Beatrice might actually be someone with a complicated past. the way they seemed to portray her story (if you trust her) is that she and Maria originally tried to make everyone happy, but somewhere along the way they were hurt (maybe has to do with Battler's sin?), and they ended up doing the murders and all that shit. It also really seems to me that Beatrice is just being used by Bern/Lambda. They even say she is just their doll, and she is literally chained to the game table now. She cannot escape until Battler wins, killing her. Even that is probably a ways off, seeing as how the game is meant to last forever

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740170
>BeatricexAnge doujins
DO WANT

[Beatrice the Golden !WITCHqFSq2 No.]

There is also the thing with 2 Beatrices.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740197
BattlerxAnge first, please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740200
yeah, I was like "wat".

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740215
Is the dead one included?

[Beatrice the Golden !WITCHqFSq2 No.]

>>2740215
At first I thought it was Asumu or something being helped.
Now I don't even know what

[Anonymous No.]

Beatrice, she is some sort of Rei or something. Why is there so many of her?

[Beatrice the Golden !WITCHqFSq2 No.]

>>2740223
Because blond and bouncy is best, you breast sommelier!

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740186
I think you're neglecting the fact that it's only a matter of time until the sentence "No theory that does not contain the phrase 'small bombs' can be correct" is said in red.

[Anonymous No.]

So what's Juuza's relationship with Kyrie?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740186
Indeed, if she was trying to get battler to win then she pretty much had to let that slide as it was obviously a theory made in desperation.
Even Beato got a good laugh at that one, whether or not she denied it.

I can't blame battler for such a stupid theory though, that one's tough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740233
I know it's hard to grasp, anon, but sometimes unrelated people can have same hair colour.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740229
That theory makes sense considering it is filled WITH SMALL BOMBS.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740189
ooooooooohhhhhhh shiiiiiiiiiiit this just confirms the hugely elaborate Jessica is Beatrice and the (main) culprit theory I saw earlier even more. If Jessica is Beatrice, then Mariage Sorciere doesn't need to just be Maria playing with imaginary friends. Furthermore, if Jessica/Beatrice has been plotting with Maria, it explains how Maria can keep laughing when everyone around her is getting murdered a lot better than "she believes in witches so she isn't worried."

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740247
Not just hair color. They share the same cross design. Battler has it also. It doesn't seem to be linked to being a Sumadera family thing, and seems to be solely linked with Kyrie.

[Anonymous No.]

beato was like

sure why not? lolololol

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740271
I never paid much attention to that cross thing. I just assumed that it was a random cross trying to imitate western fashion, seeing as how its the family's "thing". Juuza just straight up dresses weird.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740285
That's what I thought at first, but in Umineko, clothing emblems are a pretty big deal, and tell a bit about the relations between the characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740250
What is this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740285
That's what I thought at first, but in Umineko, clothing emblems are a pretty big deal, and often tell a bit about the (possible) relations between the characters.

[Anonymous No.]

I think I missed something.

Who is Juuza?
Is that short for Jessica?

Also like some others, I never paid that close attention to crosses or things like that that may be on clothes.
Did Battler have something like that on him?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740316
Amakusa Juuza, dipshit, Ange's bodyguard.

That said, it's sort of a pity we may never see them again.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm just plain stump on where everything is going. Its entertaining but... as Battler say...

It useless...

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740300
yeah, now that I've seen people discuss this, along with multiple Beatrices, mutiple Battler theroies, etc..., I think there might be some importance to all this symbolism. One thing that bothers me is wtf those random numbers that were painted on the door like the magic circles were (i think it was in ep3, if not 2), who the fuck wrote the bottle messages, who sent out the letters with the deposit box keys, etc...
fucking Umineko is full of questions now. I can't wait for answer arcs

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740316
the zipper/fastener thing on Battler's jacket is a cross

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740321
>Amakusa Juuza
Oh.

[Anonymous No.]

On that note, if the cross IS something for Kyrie only, then Juuza should have a row of golden buttons on his suit.

Then again, I'd say that a cross emblem has a bit more significance than a row of buttons... The emblem might be something deeply set in tradition, whereas the buttons are simply the passing of motherly clothing tastes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740326
Considering the letters, the latest theories would be either
Jessica sending them, being "Beatrice" and all
or
Actual human Beatrice sending them, whose real name is Maria, Rosa's Maria being her namesake.

[Anonymous No.]

What's even more strange with Juuza is the fact that he is the ONLY 1998 character (aside of ange) that has a full tati e: he isn't shown with a picture frame...

and this kind of detail cannot be a mere coincidence/mistake from Ryukishi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740343
I think a new kind of children mixup can be based on this, but I can't quite decide what kind exactly.

That said, isn't Amakusa about as old as Battler would be in 1998?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740344

Actually, I think it has more to do with Eva's family than Jessica's.

The number appeared when George died. This was in the episode when Eva lived. George has died before, but no numbers (assuming, in this case, that Eva killed George for whatever reason).

But that's all I have for now. There's little known about the numbers, so this is at best an educated guess.

But it means the letters would have been sent by someone in the family (possibly Eva as a strange form of repentance).

[Anonymous No.]

i get it now

battler= amakusa lololol

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740347
That detail stood out like like the sun in the blue sky. It has to mean something.

[Anonymous No.]

Jessica = Real world Beato? What?

I guess it's passable... Seeing how Battler saw Jessica's corpse after talking to the Beatrice who was in the window. That raises the question, though, about who the Beatrice would be that murdered Battler some time after that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740343
Actually looking at him closely now... his clothes reminds me of those flashy rhinestone disco clothes.
His pants even look like bell bottoms.

I'm probably just thinking too hard about it though.

GO, GO, DISCO BATTLER.

[Anonymous No.]

amakusa vs ronove

MAKE IT HAPPEN RYUKISHI

[Beatrice the Golden !WITCHqFSq2 No.]

Weren't the numbers bank PINs or account numbers?

[Anonymous ‮^_^ ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !Jones4ZrPA No.]

>>2740381
Yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740343
I wonder if Battler's cross being upside-down means something. It's at the point of being very nitpicky, but I wouldn't put it past Ryukishi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740380
Genji's been dead way before 1998.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740381
the ones from the letters were numbers for safety deposit boxes, the numbers on the door, no one knows

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740372
It's possible that he just ate something that was poisoned on the night he died.
He suspected that Maria was poisoned as well and he didn't die until just a bit after he raided the main mansion's pantry going though various items.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740392
Upside-down cross is basically to the anti-christ what the regular cross is to christ.

So I have no idea, but I don't think this is a religion thing, just a good/evil one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740406
Alcohol related death I would say.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740406

I suppose that's workable, but then there's something else nagging me.

Wasn't he near the passage leading to Kuwadorian at that point? If there was a killer, and they were on the other side of that well... I think they could count as "being off of the island".

I'd count this up on the red text being vague again, and on how people refer to things. There's a few points where Kuwadorian and the normal mansion are reffered to as being like two seperate islands, so if Beatrice was saying that only 17 people are present at the "true" mansion of Rokkenjima...

Then that would reason that any unconfirmed number of people could have been in the mansion called Kuwadorian, if it really was considered to be a seperate island in spirit.

That's just a really loose theory, of course, but I think it somewhat fits with how Ryukishi rolls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740431
That could be possible too.
I think most people would drink themselves stupid by that point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740407
An upside down cross is the cross of Saint Peter, not the anti-christ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740447
You would know better, I just got it from an episode of some anime I don't remember. Which could easily be wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

Juuza's (probably fake) name is written as 十三.

Besides the 13 sacrifices needed for the Witch's resurrection, I wonder where else the number 13 could have significance?

Also, the Siestas have both Kinzo's and Maria's mark on them. Wonder if that has any significance other than being summoned by both Kinzo and Maria.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740437
The mansion could be seen as an island of humanity in the sea of wilderness or the unknown. So it could be plausible.

[Anonymous ‮^_^ ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !Jones4ZrPA No.]

>>2740474
Hellsing Ultimate.
That's where I heard the same thing, anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

To bring up a new topic, Virgilia was obviously related to Kumazawa, right? Does that mean that one of the goats could have any connection with Gohda?

The "pitfalls" are also bothering me quite a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740476
Why didn't I see that before about the number 13.
The number 13 is commonly known as a number associated with bad luck or something like that.
Point is that 13 is basically considered a bad number.
I've even heard of hotels skipping the number on rooms.

I'm sure it's no coincidence that the number of sacrifices just happens to be such a widely known unlucky number, but I couldn't say what relevance this could have to anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740476
Siesta Sisters Imperial Guard Corps

And Imperial Guard Corps formed by the dragon King Pendragon in memory of the red dragon and composed only of sisters. They were originally subordinates of the Dragon King, but because of a long relationship with the successive generations of Beatrice's it was permitted that two Imperial Guard soldiers be lent out.

>Also, the Siestas have both Kinzo's and Maria's mark on them. Wonder if that has any significance other than being summoned by both Kinzo and Maria.

Who knows.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740476
I don't know if his name has significance, but at least it came from Takahito Ekusa and Hibari 13, and contains "Golgo 13" as a parody.

[Anonymous No.]

When are we going to get Umineko Daybreak?

Siestas will kick everyone's asses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740538
>Also, the Siestas have both Kinzo's and Maria's mark on them. Wonder if that has any significance other than being summoned by both Kinzo and Maria.
They ARE Maria's toy rabbits and one of them (556) was smashed by Rosa.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740549
Only a matter of time.
That said, I want to play some Higurashi Daybreak...

[Anonymous No.]

I'm a gun moron. What do they mean by 4 + 1 rounds?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740563
I'm wondering more about Kinzo's mark.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740563
... Wow. I never realized that. Fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740571
1 in the chamber the other 4 loaded

[Anonymous No.]

Anybody remember that scene in ep4 with beato on the roof talking with battler?

If we're assuming a person in disguise or with multiple personalities, and we should if the point is to disprove witches and magic which means no knowledge of other games, then how does she know of battlers preference of titties?

Of course she could have just been flattering herself with the breast sommelier comment, but it seemed like she knew what she was talking about rather than just inflating her own ego.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740563
Goddamn, how did I not realize this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740571
Four ready to be loaded plus one in the chamber already loaded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740610
We've been over this. At least all of the children, Shannon and Kannon included, and possibly some of the adults knew about Battler's personality. It doesn't really narrow down anything.

What I'd rather know is how Shannon and Kannon seemed to be aware of what happened in the previous games during their conversation in the jail cell. Though at this point it's easier to just assume that part never happened and was just another part of the witch's illusion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740630
So they wouldn't be able to kill all 6 people at once at the table?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740576
Probably just meant that Kinzo summons them freely too.

But what about the Stakes?

Maybe Kinzo doesn't hate Maria nearly as much as it seems.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740643
A shotgun can hit multiple targets. They could have killed them all in one shot if they were close enough.

[Anonymous No.]

As unreliable as the Shannon = Kanon theory is, I couldn't help but think of something as they talked in the cell.

That was that it was odd how nobody else noticed those two saying such strange things back and forth. I know Kyrie said Kanon was killed, but that could just be a delusion setting in.

The point I'm getting at, here, is that their conversation might have been a living Shannon talking, in her mind, to a Kanon that was created from some level of insanity that she was experiencing. Of course, I prefer to assume that Shannon pads, and that Kanon is already dead in the story arcs, and is being impersonated by Shannon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740637
I doubt any scene could be rendered of as "an illusion". Rather, what those two spoke of could be a metaphor to them instinctively knowing that fighting their fate as furniture would not lead them anywhere, but despite that they would give it a try.

I have a much more bold hypothesis though: Could it be possible for someone else influencing them with "lies" about achievements they've "made in past episodes". My basis for this claim is the bottled letters: Since they had two different outcomes in the end of EP3, none which Eva was rendered a murderer in, couldn't it be possible that the other two episodes we viewed where the contents of those letters?

Because I find it really strange that we did not get to read the contents as TIPS, even though Ange seemed to know something more about them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740643
Even if it had six in it I doubt that one person could headshot six people in a row, especially with double that many people there.
Once you shoot someone all bets are off and being a good little boy doesn't ensure you wont be shot.
They did say that multiple people showed up after all, so regardless of how unreliable their descriptions of these killers sound there is a high chance that there were multiple assailants, and probably all toting those rifles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740670
The contents would be too long for the tips section because it was the entire story of each episode. From what perspective we can't be sure, but I'd assume it was third person omniscient just like we've been shown, since the end of episode one says "That was this story."

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740653
I don't know, accurately blowing off half the head from two people at once seems like...

Well, it's probably obvious, but I don't think just a rifle was involved in the first twilight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740689
According to episode 3 there were what, four of those shotguns?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740713
Shotguns or rifles?
Be sure about this.
Did they even mention him having shotguns in ep3?
I must admit that I wasn't paying too close attention to his weapon repertoire.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740726
They all look the same in the sprites. Even though Hideyoshi makes a big deal about the one in the first two episodes being one of a kind, there seem to be quite a few that look identical.

[Anonymous No.]

Nanjo was pierced by Belphegor twice.
Kanon was pierced by Satan twice, but one of the bodies are missing.
Hideyoshi was pierced by Beelzebub twice.

If the stakes really have significance, someone needed to have known something about the residents, or be close enough to the residents to choose a sin they felt was appropriate for each person. Not to mention the fact that it says the stakes cannot target someone that is sinless.

[Anonymous No.]

Gun Related Discussion Post (Don't want to quote 12 posts)

Battler says "The heads could have been smashed by a magnum bullet."

This is correct. A hot-loaded (90% casing cap of grains) handloaded bullet in anything .357 magnum and above would cause sufficient damage to blow half of someone's face off.

Though, given the trajectory in relation to the skull's position when fired to destroy half of the head from straight ahead, I feel anything lower than .44 cal and an upwards of 230 grains would suffice.

Anything approaching 1200+ FPS in that high of a grain would probably fragment pieces of the head in such a gorey manner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740802
they are the vessels

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740802

Supplementing 'Kanon was pierced by Satan both times', Kanon is ALWAYS killed by a chest wound. Every time.

Any thoughts on the significance?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740814
He's a devil worshiper.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740802
Jessica was pierced by Asmodeus in episode 2. Asmodeus is lust, right? So unless it was a silly fluke, it's probably referring to Kanon, whose body went missing. So someone who knew about Jessica's love probably aided in the murders in some way or the other, or it could have been inadvertent, with Kumasawa mouthing off gossip again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740822
Or Kanon is the murderer, and pierced her with the stake of lust because the whole "Furniture" thing is a front anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740726

Translation here says:
>>2740571
Rifle. A quick Google search seems to confirm it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740563
>They ARE Maria's toy rabbits and one of them (556) was smashed by Rosa.

Damn, how the fuck did I miss that. Gaap has an obvious relationship to Maria as well, with this second paragraph.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740853
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too, with the chapel key thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740726
Considering episode 1, these aren't shotgun, but mere sawed off rifles.

It is very unlikely these winchesters could deal such kind of damage.

[Anonymous No.]

Virgilia=Kumazawa, RIGHT?!?!?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740890

She has the same laugh, but she hasn't mentioned mackerel yet.

SUSPCIOUS, NO?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740885
I don't know, man.
Just because it isn't a shotgun doesn't mean you can't blow half their face off.
Not to mention that it's noted that these are modified for maximum power.

I suppose a dead on shot might not make the side of their head explode, but I'm sure a shot at the right angle could still take half their face off.

What everyone is doing with shots in their faces that all just happen to be at such an angle is beyond me, but the possibility is still there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740885
So, its >>2740806 here to confirm this.

The Winchesters could definitely, by no means, generate the force necessary to do damage like that.

They're chambered in Long Colt, .45 cal. For reference, this cartridge generates 930 fps and about 475 ft/lbs of energy.

About twice that power would be necessary.

[Anonymous No.]

She told Goat-kun he'd be rewarded with Mackarel before he epic failed by listing off loser flags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740909
In contrast, the 360 grain bullets made for the Smith and Wesson 460 by Buffalo Bore generate 1,900 feet per second of velocity and 2,900 ft/lbs of energy.

Instantly fragmenting half of someone's head is easily viable with this kind of power.

[Anonymous No.]

About how long is Ep 4? I just got to the part where Lamb was harassing ANGE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740915
Yeah, with a more modern weapon the damage would be easily possible. Battler is probably aware that the rifles chambered in .45 Long Colt could not destroy half of a human head. If he has given it any thought, he has probably decided a different, concealed or hidden weapon created the damages.

Though he is Japanese, and we know how much they know about guns, with the laws there.

[Anonymous No.]

About how long is Ep 4? I just got to the part where Lamb was harassing ANGE about Bern's supposed lie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740926
You're about at the 1/3rd mark.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740926
Somewhat far.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740926
you are barely around the first 1/4 of the game. keep it up, it became EPIC past the first 1/3

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740926

You've got a ways to go, maybe just a fourth of the way in. You're not done with the Ange/Maria stuff yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740926

That's about 1/4 yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740910

Crap. She IS Kumasawa.

Well, that just makes things more interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740932
>>2740934
>>2740928
>>2740930
Damn, I'm getting tired and all those black boxes are so tempting. It's been pretty enjoyable so far, but I don't know if it can top how much I liked 3. Back to reading I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740942

Leave /jp/ untill you finish.

And 4 FAR surpasses 3 after the first 1/3.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740942
You will definitely love the second part: most if not all jp preferred ep 4 for the scary epic (putting ep3 witch battler and Eva beatrice to shame).

The only problem is how ange and maria pasts were a drag. But if you enjoy it so far, that's great for you then.

[Anonymous No.]

I thought it was pretty clear that Ronove is supposed to be Genji, but the more I look at his profile, I begin to think that it might actually be a toss-up between Gohda as well. The whole Ronove/Ronoue deal, and the fact that he's essentially Kinzo's right-hand man leads me to think it's Genji, but his profile description about baking delicious cookies and being of high acclaim by working under previous households leads me towards Gohda. In addition, Ronove works under Beatrice. If you're going with the whole Beatrice = Jessica theory, it makes a bit of sense considering it's Krauss's side of the family that hired Gohda.

[Anonymous No.]

Im at episode 2. the parents have just gathered in the parlour. is there anything special to look forward to in episode 2?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740985
No. Consider stopping now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740985
> Im at episode 2. the parents have just gathered in the parlour. is there anything special to look forward to in episode 2?

Just fucking play through it, and stay off /jp/ while you do.

[Anonymous No.]

>and stay off /jp/ while you do.

This, people will spoil it to all hell if you give them the chance.
There's already a million spoilers in this thread as it is, even if not necessarily about ep2.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740997
Not even given the chance: they WILL spoil you regardless of what you are looking for.

Many unfortunate were spoiled despite they didn't even check threads, with stupid anon spamming "X dies, Y wasn't []" etc.

[Anonymous No.]

We really need a list of each and every statement ever made in red

[Anonymous No.]

>>2741006
here

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2141087#post2141087

[Anonymous No.]

>>2741006

We need a fucking flowchart. Red and blue text and everything. We'll solve the mystery before the resolution is even written down!

[Anonymous No.]

to continue my >>2741017

here are the red of ep2 and 3

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2169167#post2169167

[Anonymous No.]

>>2741017
>>2741020
Lambda's shit really ruined my day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2741020
>>2741017
thanks

[Anonymous No.]

Wow. there's a lot more red than I thought.

[Anonymous No.]

Eva-Beatrice's statements really do fuck things up. I wish I knew what Beato told her at the end of episode 3.

[Anonymous No.]

If you go with the whole idea that the Seven stakes that killed the black suits was actually Juuza sniping, here's some ideas.

The damage from Juuza's gun is shown to be able to do the same damage found in the murders on Rokkenjima. Don't know how old that gun is.

Parallels to the first twilight. 6 people killed.

Siesta's bow is considered sniping equipment that blew off half the faces of people on Rokkenjima.

Juuza is shown to drift between different agencies, and has sniping abilities, as demonstrated.

There's also the previously mentioned possible link to Kyrie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2741257
Juuza? More like Jesus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2741257

If you're suggesting that Juuza was at Rokkenjima during that time, that still leaves the problem of having only 17 people on Rokkenjima.

Actually, I think there may be a possibility that Juuza may have been Ange's killer in Ep. 4. It seems way too odd that Kasumi seemed to have gotten off of the hook, even though she'd really have no place to hide from Juuza. Actually, maybe Kasumi really did get killed by Juuza as well (because honestly, I'm not going to trust that the credits would list every person that died outside of the "main" characters), and Juuza, having some sort of tie to Kyrie, might be able to claim some of the vast wealth of the Ushiromiyas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2741318
I don't know, I'd expect that having a link to Kyrie would give him a reason to protect Ange.

[Anonymous No.]

Winchester M1894 = .45 colt caliber
Winchester M94 = .410 shot shell
Winchester M1200 = 00 buck shot

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740853
I think Gaap's vessel is Maria's rose.
Her design, ability, and TIPS strongly reminds me of it.

And I also think imaginary characters' eye colors stand for their vessels in a sense.
Blue = vessel is a creature
Red = vessel is a non-creature

[Anonymous No.]

What I'm still wracking my brain over is Battler's sin. Since it was stated his sin is tied to the start of all this, and seeing as how Beato got butthurt that he didn't remember what it was, it's obvious that she IS tied to it in some way, even if Beatrice is not. (Like how Beatrice specifically stated that it has nothing to do with Beatrice, and not it has nothing to do with "me")

[Anonymous No.]

you know what disturbed me the most? couldn't only witches use red? so how come Battler could use it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2742311
just a hunch but when maria and beato are going on about only them are still in the alliance, wouldn't it be possible battler as a 12year old joined the mariage too, but then with all the stuff happening totally forgot about it. would explain why beato is so upset about it, though that doesn't really seem like a sin in my eyes for all the murders to happen ... would explain the use of red text a bit

[Anonymous No.]

>>2742311
34 lets him use it. The red text is her power, which she lends to Beato, hence why the red text represents a certainty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2742311
anyone can do it in the meta-world
Battler could try saying "witches don't exist" or "Beatrice isn't a witch" in red

[Anonymous No.]

>>2742311
If you're a witch, I'll become your Warlock

[Anonymous No.]

Is it Greek? Is it Japanese?
NO! It's GREEPANESE

[Anonymous No.]

>>2742311 so how come Battler could use it?

I MUST KILL THE WITCHES!
NO BATTLER, YOU ARE THE WITCHES!

[MolesterJim No.]

>>2742410
Indeed greek characters, but they barely make sense.
A few strings do resemble words (Greek, Enlish or Japanese), but it's nothing clear.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2741704
Battler didn't believe in the witch. Because of that, everyone died in her resurrection ceremony, but it was never completed because not everyone believed in her, so she couldn't revive everyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2742425
νανκα συτεκι.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740476
They weren't summoned by MARIA, they were ``created'' by MARIA. Goldsmith was also able to summon them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2742329

He wouldn't, though. He wants to beat Beatrice fair and square.

[Evatrice !/uhtKOHuio No.]

Maria is Coco
Battler is Blick Winkel

[Anonymous No.]

Amakusa is Asumu's son.
Battler is Kyrie's dead fetus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2742491
And yet Amakusa is the one that looks like Kyrie.
Maybe he's related to Kasumi? Notice how Kasumi always knows where Ange goes and how Ange dies in 1998

[Anonymous No.]

>>2742410
Pretty sloppy image edit, but it's passable.
It would be pretty bad if Umineko had SCANLINES.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2742495
We know that Ange is Kyrie's daughter.
Ange looks like Battler.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2742482
This is why the blue is such a double edged sword. It lets Battler get away with hole-filled theories as long as Beatrice doesn't counter them with the red. In other words, it lets Beatrice give up, but of course even if that would bring Battler back, it would teach him the real truth or give him a complete victory like he wants. Even if he now can say "witches don't exist" in red, it would be meaningless if he can't also say and entire theory assuming human culprits in red, including the details, because anything less would be an incomplete victory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2742491
so Amakusa = Battler?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2740136

Who makes these drawings? they're amusingly odd.

[Anonymous No.]

Guys... we need a Umineko wiki, NAO!

[Anonymous No.]

>>2743490
You mean like this: http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/Umineko_no_Naku_Koro_ni_Wiki
Not much there, most links are RED.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2743517
Fuck yeah. Edit work is needed.

[VanDarkholme !3GqYIJ3Obs No.]

>>2743517
Let's do something together - we must complete this wiki!

[Anonymous No.]

>>2743517
>most links are RED
I see what you did thar.jpg

[Anonymous No.]

>>2743517
Huh, looks like some of the content was put there before it was translated by Witch-Hunt.

Should we edit them to match Witch-Hunt translations for consistency, or should we leave them as is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2743628
I think we anons need to participate in creating this. Umineko wiki is a very helpful thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2743653
Uh, yeah. But we need some sort of direction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2743628
I was about to say "Let's leave it for now". Then I saw "Warugiria".

[Anonymous No.]

>>2743660
Exactly. So what are we going to do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2743656
1. Press the view random page button
2. Add and fix inconsistencies
3. Rinse and repeat
....
4. Information is free yo.

[Yuyucow !izhBpjwbEg No.]

>>2743656
Too bad we are a directionless board or whatever that fag said. But yeah, Umineko wiki would be helpful.

[Anonymous No.]

Well, I'll try and get the pictures up and consistent, at the very least.

[Anonymous No.]

It would be cool, that this wiki also contents all the possible theories, metaphers and all red facts which are mentioned until now.
Needs to overview all the red contents...

[Anonymous No.]

http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Patchou
Here's all the portraits. Tell me if I'm missing any.

[Anonymous No.]

I think we need a better way of sorting the characters in the front page.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2744228
Maybe "main" 1986 characters, Witches/demons, and 1998 characters? I don't think it's really a big deal, we should just concentrate on getting the barebones in, like the TIPS and profiles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2744228
Why not use the same categories as the game?
1986 humans, magical beings, 1998 humans.