Can moe coexist with intelligence (not just book smarts, but also a razor-sharp mind?) and independence? If so, can you provide an example? Pic unrelated.

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Anonymous Wed May 27 16:20:22 2009 No.2665514 [Reply] [Original]

Can moe coexist with intelligence (not just book smarts, but also a razor-sharp mind?) and independence? If so, can you provide an example?

Pic unrelated.

>>	Sakura !!sCKns1iPkwx Wed May 27 16:22:22 2009 No.2665530 Char is pretty moe.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 16:23:22 2009 No.2665533 File: 66 KB, 180x300, char_shizune.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] She doesn't need Misha around, she just feels sorry for her.

>>	CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Wed May 27 16:23:22 2009 No.2665534 File: 28 KB, 592x443, mathbroscolored.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Yeah, Fukumoto works all have moe with intelligence, look at Zero, he's got pro math and logic skills and he's adorable.

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>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 16:24:22 2009 No.2665541 >>2665514 Pic MOTHERFUCKING related - moe and intelligent

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 16:25:22 2009 No.2665543 File: 718 KB, 960x720, 1232003475421.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 16:25:22 2009 No.2665545 Moe doesn't mean kawaii

>>	Sakura !!sCKns1iPkwx Wed May 27 16:26:22 2009 No.2665549 File: 18 KB, 209x320, CharChichi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 16:27:22 2009 No.2665551 >>2665534 Does Ten have any moe traits (apart from the first few chapters)? The main character is pretty moe (useless moe), but Ten... I can't think of anything.

>>	CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Wed May 27 16:27:22 2009 No.2665553 >>2665551 Ten IS the main character, but also Hiroyuki is moe, and Akagi is there too so yeah.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 16:32:22 2009 No.2665581 File: 44 KB, 494x500, yuki_singlecover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	(″･ิ_･ิ)っ-̾ Wed May 27 16:36:22 2009 No.2665628 File: 534 KB, 600x740, 1230922212461.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2665514 I'm not sure you understand moe.

Anonymous Wed May 27 16:37:22 2009 No.2665631

>>2665545
>Moe doesn't mean kawaii

What's it mean then?

>>2665534
Don't know what this is, could you explain?

>>2665533
I haven't touched KS, but is this the generic meganekko character?

>>2665541
>Pic MOTHERFUCKING related - moe and intelligent

As much as I admire Char, would he not be better labelled as GAR than moe?

>>	None !Nipaa0mi0. Wed May 27 16:38:22 2009 No.2665638 File: 339 KB, 924x1360, 2n9modded.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2665514 Rika is quite sharp and she lives independently.

>>	CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Wed May 27 16:38:22 2009 No.2665640 >>2665631 >GAR go back to /a/ please. Also, I consider some very manly anime dudes to be extremely moe and cute, so I'm not seeing your point.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 16:39:22 2009 No.2665645 >>2665631 Char is neither GAR nor moe. At times he's a little cool though.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 16:40:22 2009 No.2665659 >As much as I admire Char, would he not be better labelled as GAR than moe? In the original Gundam = Yes In Zeta = Yes For most of Counterattack = Yes From the moment he yells 'Lalah could've been my mother!' = No

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 16:41:22 2009 No.2665668 >>2665631 > Don't know what this is, could you explain? http://www.mediafire.com/hox -> Gambling Emperor Zero Enjoy tsundere moe character.

Anonymous Wed May 27 16:42:22 2009 No.2665673

>>2665628
She doesn't look particularly strong, capable or independent in that picture - in fact, she looks quite helpless. Is that what makes her moe in that picture?

To rephrase my request, I was asking for an example of a female character who's essentially the antithesis of the worthless heroines found in stuff by Key - borderline retarded dependents who are unable to accomplish anything on their own - while still being moe. Is this possible?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 16:43:22 2009 No.2665685 Moe can't exist period.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 16:43:22 2009 No.2665689 >>2665638 /thread

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 16:45:22 2009 No.2665702 File: 31 KB, 576x432, tomoyo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2665673 >worthless heroines found in stuff by Key

>>	Sakura !!sCKns1iPkwx Wed May 27 16:45:22 2009 No.2665705 >>2665673 Moe can be anything as long as you find it attractive.

>>	CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Wed May 27 16:45:22 2009 No.2665708 >>2665631 Fukumoto stuff, as in Zero, Kaiji, Akagi, Ten, Gai, Kurosawa, etc. Anything by Noboyuki Fukumoto has really moe, manly, and usually pretty intelligent...though sometimes not, dudes.

>>	CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Wed May 27 16:46:22 2009 No.2665714 >>2665708 Nobuyuki* ಠ_ಠ

Anonymous Wed May 27 16:48:22 2009 No.2665728

>>2665638
... this is an obvious example, but one I overlooked. Good call.

>>2665645
>Char is neither GAR nor moe. At times he's a little cool though.

This is a question of definitions then, I guess. GAR =/= Hotblooded, though the two are commonly found together. Example: Hayato Jin (pilot of Getter 2) is a coldblooded genius terrorist attempting to overthrow the Japanese government. He's almost certainly GAR, though. In the same way, Char deserves the title for his style, skill in battle, charismatic speeches and his just as planned moments.

>>2665640
>go back to /a/ please.

If you've checked /a/ as of late, you'd see that if anything, moe and shonen dominate that board. Whatever gar might be, it's not /a/.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 16:49:22 2009 No.2665735 >>2665631 Char is both GAR and Moe

Anonymous Wed May 27 16:54:22 2009 No.2665755

>>2665702
2 things.

First, she hardly represents the sort of characters found in their works.

Second, in spite of being more competent than the rest of the cast (in fighting), she wasn't even able to run her own campaign without the help of Tomoya. What does that say?

>>	None !Nipaa0mi0. Wed May 27 16:56:22 2009 No.2665766 >>2665673 So you're asking whether characters that are the complete antithesis of moe can be moe? No.

>>	CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Wed May 27 16:57:22 2009 No.2665774 File: 43 KB, 394x500, 27.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'll now fill this thread with manly-moe.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 16:57:22 2009 No.2665775 >>2665673 I can think of a few Key heroines who aren't weak but are still moe, so if you're asking if moe girls have to be weak then the answer is no.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 16:57:22 2009 No.2665779 File: 54 KB, 460x345, haru.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Quirky moe and smart as hell.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 16:58:22 2009 No.2665780 File: 84 KB, 799x596, Kurugaya.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2665755 Not that many of their characters are retarded-moe

>>	CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Wed May 27 16:58:22 2009 No.2665781 File: 17 KB, 400x400, 30_anonib.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Wed May 27 16:58:22 2009 No.2665784 File: 170 KB, 500x500, 515456.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] flood detected, file discarded ಠ_ಠ

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 16:58:22 2009 No.2665785 >>2665779 Fuck yeah, this.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 16:58:22 2009 No.2665786 moe is a matter of perspective

>>	Misaki-chan is mai waifu !KRQGZtqKic Wed May 27 16:58:22 2009 No.2665787 File: 37 KB, 305x271, 1243386011766.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2665534 Moe Emperor Zero

>>	CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Wed May 27 16:59:22 2009 No.2665791 File: 87 KB, 500x500, 1203365354525_anonib.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Wed May 27 16:59:22 2009 No.2665799

>>2665766
So then is moe defined by incompetence, borderline retardation and helplessness?

I'm not inclined to believe that, given the example you provided of Rika. Characters like her would probably be a good example of what I was asking after in the OP.

>>	CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Wed May 27 17:00:22 2009 No.2665802 File: 333 KB, 1000x1556, zero ayanami zawa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] from waifu ಠ3ಠ

Anonymous Wed May 27 17:00:22 2009 No.2665804

>>2665673 To rephrase my request, I was asking for an example of a female character who's essentially the antithesis of the worthless heroines found in stuff by Key - borderline retarded dependents who are unable to accomplish anything on their own - while still being moe. Is this possible?
Kino?

>>	CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Wed May 27 17:01:22 2009 No.2665806 File: 48 KB, 400x400, 1209702292845_anonib.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 17:01:22 2009 No.2665810 >>2665799 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moe_(slang)

>>	CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Wed May 27 17:02:22 2009 No.2665814 File: 53 KB, 600x337, chat-21.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Wed May 27 17:03:22 2009 No.2665818 File: 231 KB, 757x447, Thanks! Fujino-san.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Misaki-chan is mai waifu !KRQGZtqKic Wed May 27 17:03:22 2009 No.2665820 File: 56 KB, 355x465, 1243386284225.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Now with more /jp/ relevance.

>>	CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Wed May 27 17:03:22 2009 No.2665822 File: 72 KB, 295x352, 1241390918377.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Wed May 27 17:04:22 2009 No.2665825 File: 65 KB, 350x350, 1241392551759.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2665820 I don't remember where I saved all my Zero images so I can't post any. ;_; thanks brah.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 17:04:22 2009 No.2665828 >>2665779 >>2665804 >>2665780 May I have the source on each of these?

>>	CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Wed May 27 17:05:22 2009 No.2665833 File: 112 KB, 600x533, 2143682_m.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The moeist bros ever...well if Gai was replaced with Yukio maybe. ಠ3ಠ

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 17:06:22 2009 No.2665837 >>2665828 >>2665780 = Kurugaya from the Key game Little Busters! >>2665779 = Haru from the Akabeisoft2 game G-Senjou no Maou Dunno about the other one.

>>	CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Wed May 27 17:06:22 2009 No.2665839 File: 40 KB, 330x500, 1175670371_330x500.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Wed May 27 17:07:22 2009 No.2665848 File: 223 KB, 390x322, j-32.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Wed May 27 17:09:22 2009 No.2665859 File: 59 KB, 480x299, kaiji_andoh01_anonib.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 17:09:22 2009 No.2665860 Zero looks like a fag! Kaiji and Akagi are better. But the series Zero is awesome too.

>>	Misaki-chan is mai waifu !KRQGZtqKic Wed May 27 17:10:22 2009 No.2665864 File: 169 KB, 605x517, 1243384993607.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2665825 I hardly have any. Most of mine are just Kaiji crying.

>>	CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Wed May 27 17:10:22 2009 No.2665867 File: 36 KB, 240x240, so_moe_.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Wed May 27 17:11:22 2009 No.2665873 >>2665860 He doesn't look like a fag, he looks moe as hell, there's a difference you know!

>>	CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Wed May 27 17:13:22 2009 No.2665882 File: 19 KB, 300x400, PaintBBS0131001313.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2665864 I have a shit ton of fukumoto related images...but yeah, for some reason not many of zero and the ones I do have of him are all him and Gai. ಠ3ಠ

>>	CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Wed May 27 17:15:22 2009 No.2665888 File: 225 KB, 694x496, gaizerobroszawa.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 17:16:22 2009 No.2665897 >>2665882 >I have a shit ton of fukumoto related images Upload them to MF.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 17:21:22 2009 No.2665922 >>2665873 Soft-looking moe guys in Fukumotos storys = GAYYYYYYY! I want cool manly guys like Akagi or Kaiji.

CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Wed May 27 17:30:22 2009 No.2665996
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>>2665922
cool story bro.

>>2665897
Give me a little bit, I've got some loan business to take care of first. After that I'll upload and link here - keep in mind though I don't nearly have 'all' the fukumoto images out there, you should check pixiv and the usual *booru sites as well. I don't go to /a/ but they have fukumoto dumps every now and then as well.

Though I'm sure that I at least have some you wouldn't find on the regular sites. Pic related, waifu doesn't upload her stuff to any imageboards or anything and I think a lot of the others dont either.

So yeah, check the thread either here or on the archive (if the thread gets deleted by the time I do it) and I'll upload what I've got, but be sure to search yourself too.

>>	None !Nipaa0mi0. Wed May 27 17:34:22 2009 No.2666022 >>2665799 That's what definition the OP is following and he seems unwilling to consider other options. With that definition the answer has to be no.

>>	CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Wed May 27 17:36:22 2009 No.2666035 >>2665996 Actually, busier than i thought, if I have the time later I'll post it here or on the archive, sorry bro but it might be a lot later.

>>	Tatari !JERKwzbfbg Wed May 27 17:38:22 2009 No.2666045 File: 1.00 MB, 1500x1500, Wara vs Cirno.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2665996 >waifu

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 17:40:22 2009 No.2666057 >>2666035 It's all good, I lurk the archive.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 18:14:22 2009 No.2666272 File: 130 KB, 640x480, 1233257473652.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 18:25:22 2009 No.2666312 File: 116 KB, 728x827, 1201648800631.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I cannot believe nobody mentioned Horo. Faggots.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 00:11:22 2009 No.2667955 File: 43 KB, 842x707, 1238562539789.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Androids are pretty smart.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 00:14:22 2009 No.2667967 rin. rin. rin. rin. rin. rin. rin.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 00:19:22 2009 No.2667989 >>2665779 haru sucks

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 07:51:22 2009 No.2669542 File: 104 KB, 646x524, clover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2667989 She's smarter than you. >>2665514 Abso-fucking-lutely

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 09:14:22 2009 No.2669870 File: 76 KB, 639x756, 1239671805326.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 09:20:22 2009 No.2669888 >>2667955 No really, where is she from? This has been bothering me for days.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 09:22:22 2009 No.2669895 >>2669888 Sammy from Eve no Jikan. Home android goes moe

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 09:23:22 2009 No.2669901 >>2669895 is also voiced by your favorite maid

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 09:24:22 2009 No.2669907 >>2669895 Thank you so much. You've taken a load off my mind.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 09:26:22 2009 No.2669914 Yay, new Zero chapter today too. http://www.mediafire.com/?tnnznbmjncq

Anonymous Thu May 28 12:09:22 2009 No.2670384
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>>2665514
Even if tsundere is not your classical moe, tsundere is still a sub-genre of moe and therfore tsundere characters are moe in there own way by defoult.

And with that said I would propose a standard well known tsundere namely Rin from Fate/Stay Night and I would say that she fits your description rather good.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 12:11:22 2009 No.2670389 >>2665514 Yes, but women can't exist with a razor-sharp mind and independence.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 12:13:22 2009 No.2670396 >>2670384 Rin isn't independent, she just plays hard to get. She's about as independent as all those power-suit wearing whorish "career women." She's just fooling herself.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 12:19:22 2009 No.2670415 >>2670396 I would say that she is pretty independet in all of the endings(bad ends inluded) except the Fate and UBW ones.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 12:21:22 2009 No.2670421 Man I feel like reading some tsundere featured manga now. I'm going to go hunting but if anyone has any suggestions I'll take them.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 13:38:46 2009 No.2670700 >>2670415 > except the Fate and UBW ones So like, she's not independent for like 2/3rds of the game? Also, having a career = independent, so matter what feminazis spew.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 13:40:22 2009 No.2670707 >>2670415 > except the Fate and UBW ones So like, she's not independent for like 2/3rds of the game? Also, having a career /=/ independent, no matter what bitchy feminazis spew.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 13:45:22 2009 No.2670732 >>2670707 We really, really don't see how Rin handles herself eventually, but she can live on her own, manage her life and cook. It's a good sign.

Anonymous Thu May 28 13:46:22 2009 No.2670740

>Can moe coexist with intelligence (not just book smarts, but also a razor-sharp mind?)

Yes.

>and indepedence?

No. Even the tsuntsun bitch much eventually come back to deredere in order to be moe~. If it's any clue to you, moe is simply an even more perverted Japanese version of Victorian aesthetics.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 13:47:22 2009 No.2670748 >>2670421 Zero is tsundere.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 13:50:22 2009 No.2670757 >>2669901 Who's my favorite maid?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 13:54:22 2009 No.2670788 >>2670740 Women exist to serve men, so the feminist concept of an independent woman is totally idiotic

Anonymous Thu May 28 13:58:22 2009 No.2670804

>>2670788
As true as this statement might be, don't you think it's counterproductive? If anything, shouldn't we promote the deluded feminist conceptions about independenace so we can take it easy at home while they slave away in the factories or offices?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 13:59:22 2009 No.2670811 >>2670707 Well, the HF ends + all the bad ends is more than 50% of the game.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 14:00:22 2009 No.2670815 File: 52 KB, 800x600, rinKS.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why am I the first to post her?

Anonymous Thu May 28 14:01:22 2009 No.2670824

>>2670804
No, because when women think they can be independent, they think they're our equals, and mouth off to us and refuse to obey us. I'd rather provide and have a waifu that submitted to me and listened to me than have a wife who helped pay for things but was a bossy bitch.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 14:01:22 2009 No.2670826 >>2670815 Because I posted this: >>2666272 And then the thread die before I could post Tezuka.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 14:02:22 2009 No.2670829 >>2670740 I wouldn't say that being independet = living all alone and never socialize at all, so there would be more than enough time to shift back to deredere sometimes and still be independet and tsundere,

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 14:02:22 2009 No.2670831 Smarts and moe moe? Not many I can think of. Several girls who are smart are sexy/pretty, but not moe moe.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 14:07:22 2009 No.2670855 Moe is what you decide it is. If I have an intelligent and independent people moe, then they are more. If I don't, they aren't. Whatever rocks your boat. Now, 90% of this thread, stop being idiots and using words you don't understand.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 14:08:22 2009 No.2670862 Saki /thread

Anonymous Thu May 28 14:10:22 2009 No.2670877

>>2670824
>No, because when women think they can be independent, they think they're our equals, and mouth off to us and refuse to obey us.

If you can't get them to obey you, isn't that a problem on the part of the master, rather than the servant? Animals obey because they understand that their masters are smarter and stronger than they are, so if you let something as weak and foolish as a woman become more capable than yourself, isn't that your fault?

Shouldn't you be competent and intelligent enough to let her deceive herself with her delusions of independence but nevertheless provide for you without complaint? Women already do that now by marrying, becoming housewives (female NEETs) and exploiting divorce laws to threaten men.

Shouldn't a man (made superior in all ways by nature) be able to do the same or better?

Anonymous Thu May 28 14:14:22 2009 No.2670893

>>2670855
That is very true and I thought that this whole thread was ridiculus at the very moment I saw it.
However when you discuss moe you "can" refer to what the general public considers moe.
Pretty much like if you go to a beuty contest, everyone there will have some set oppinions about what is "beutiful" even though that is something that unique to each and every person.

Anonymous Thu May 28 14:18:22 2009 No.2670910

In the history of mankind women have done nothing to advance art. They take the beauty that men have created through poetry, film, literature, painting, music and so on and co-opted it, using it to define themselves to make up for their complete lack of spiritual substance.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 14:18:22 2009 No.2670911 >>2670893 This is true. Still, as you say yourself, this thread is ridiculous. Just about as much as the "can beauty coexist with intelligence" one would be.

Anonymous Thu May 28 14:25:22 2009 No.2670939

>>2670911
I think the question at hand was essentially if characters designed for the express purpose of being "moe" but without the typical characterization of incompetence, childishness, borderline retardation and helplessness found so commonly in VNs and anime.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 14:39:22 2009 No.2670995 "Independence" is an undesirable trait in women, so it directly conflicts with moe. Unless you want to take a woman that starts off as independent, and make her submit to you. That would be pretty moe.

Anonymous Thu May 28 14:41:22 2009 No.2671009

>>2670939
Only those are by no means "typical".

Take Azumanga's Sakaki or Yomi, for example. Both fairly intelligent and mature. Hell, take Haruhi's Yuki, which is, basically, nearly omniscient and omnipotent and perfectly logical. And they're all poster girls of moe.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 14:46:22 2009 No.2671038 File: 45 KB, 400x1000, 1228924972935.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Ctrl + F: Naoto not found seriously, she's the perfect blend to me, and a reverse trap to boot. How can you beat that?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 14:46:48 2009 No.2671041 http:// www. AnonT alk.c om/ c913068b344fe7eb14e95025ae29d672

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 14:48:22 2009 No.2671048 >>2671038 But she's a slut.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 14:51:22 2009 No.2671061 File: 339 KB, 700x1752, 1223587245028.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2671048 fuck you

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 14:54:22 2009 No.2671074 File: 350 KB, 1280x1024, bc16340e804deaca96507b37cf6b7e62.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2671061 >>2671038 OTP

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 14:56:22 2009 No.2671086 File: 350 KB, 650x504, youskegodkill.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2671074 Fuck yeah.

Anonymous Thu May 28 16:00:22 2009 No.2671455

>>2670995
"independence" is just a trait that says that one is able tot ake care of themselves, not neccesary that they are by themselves.

Why is it an undesireble trait in a woman that she isn't entirly dependent on you for her survival?
Is it not a desireble trait for a woman to be able to take care of herself and perhaps even be able to take care of you when you can't take care of yourself. ?
(no man really wants a girl to take care of him since it always should be the other way, but when one really needs to be taken care of even though a man never should need that, it is nice be taken cared of by perferebly your gf/waifu.)

Anonymous Fri Feb 5 10:06:51 2010 No.2671455,1 [INTERNAL]

>>2666057
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OXL96C0B

Currybutt never posted his collection, so here's mine. There's fanart, screenshots, .gifs, vectors, manga panels or pages and a bit of 4chan-related humour and pictures users made over the years.

It's lacking doujinshi and any fanart Currybutt's waifu and most of the Western community ever drew (I think), though that's probably easy to find (most of them post on deviantART, browsing the Fukumoto tag will do the trick).

http://community.livejournal.com/awesome_box_djs/tag/
This LJ has most of the DJs I do, so if you still want them just check that place.

That's all I can do for you, sorry.

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