Do we like Sakura, /jp/?

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Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 17:58:42 No.2636174 [Reply] [Original]

Do we like Sakura, /jp/?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:01:42 No.2636187 File: 10 KB, 196x287, sakura2.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2636174 SakuraKO, yes. That whore in your picture, no.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:02:42 No.2636195 Why does everyone hate Sakura? HF is the most hardcore, awesome fucking route.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:04:42 No.2636202 I do. A lot of fags don't.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:07:42 No.2636214 I like Sakura. Sakura is a slut is just a meme.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:08:42 No.2636219 She's better than Saber anyway

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:09:42 No.2636224 I liked Sakura until I found out she was a rape victim.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:09:42 No.2636226 Kinda bland but Dark Sakura is sex incarnate

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:10:42 No.2636229 File: 117 KB, 448x408, 1240853963140.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2636195 >HF >amazing route

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:11:42 No.2636232 >>2636229 HF was better than UBW

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:11:42 No.2636234 >>2636224 Funny: I didn't like her until I found out she was a rape victim. Japan and is "perfect wife" ideal can go fuck itself.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:11:42 No.2636239 >>2636229 >>2636232 :3

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:13:42 No.2636245 File: 60 KB, 640x480, 374283468276.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Sakura is fine, but UBW is the best route.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:15:42 No.2636256 File: 154 KB, 464x595, 1235853262860.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2636232 oh god...

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:16:42 No.2636265 >>2636232 Agree. Of course I know many in /jp likes UBW more because they like shounen. (And funny enough it seems Japan likes Fate the best ... go figure)

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:20:42 No.2636282 Gilgamesh = Lancer = Iskander = Berserker (UBW) > Saber = Assassin > Rider = Caster > Archer > True Assassin = Avenger

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:23:42 No.2636296 >>2636265 >shounen >eroge Ok.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:23:42 No.2636297 Nah. She's boring, clingy, cowardly, whiny, and doesn't have enough positive qualities to make up for it.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:23:42 No.2636299 >>2636282 >Gilgamesh = Lancer = Iskander = Berserker (Zero) > Saber = Assassin = Rider > Caster = Archer > True Assassin = Avenger Fixed that for you.

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:24:42 No.2636302

>>2636282

How the fuck are Lancer and Berserker in the same league with Gil at all? He kills the fuck out both of them without even lifting a finger in the Fate/UBW routes.

Iskander though is worthy. A fight between him and Gil while he still had his chariot would've been epic.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:29:42 No.2636317 >>2636302 Awesomeness > Powerlevels

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:30:42 No.2636325 File: 256 KB, 1920x1200, Rider.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] HF is the best route because RIDER FUCK YEAH

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:40:42 No.2636376 >>2636317 >Awesomeness >True Assassin and Avenger at the bottom Pardon?

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:40:42 No.2636377

>>2636296

I have a lot of issues with UBW, its also the one that is very close to the shounen archtype stories.

UBW is the "saving everyone" (if you discount Ilya) as Shiro becames the typical shounen hero ... well almost because UBW is Archer Route that is why I dislike it since Rin is STILL a supporting character, Shiro is made useless so Archer can win (yes, he "wins" against Archer ... big fucking deal considering how it ends) and nothing on the story arc itself was very interresting ... Caster just could not stand to be the "main" enemy of the Arc as Ilya did in Fate as Gilmesh is simply not fit as the "final boss", yes ... he was in Fate but not as a replacement of Kotomine.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:45:42 No.2636396 I like Rin more, but I don't hate Sakura.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:50:42 No.2636410 >>2636377 >Shiro is made useless so Archer can win (yes, he "wins" against Archer ... big fucking deal considering how it ends) So Shirou "wins"...but is made "useless" and doesn't win, because Archer shows up again at the end. Right.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:52:42 No.2636422 File: 232 KB, 800x600, B20.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] UBW and HF are both entertaining routes

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:55:42 No.2636441 >>2636410 No, because at the end Archer saves everyone ... not Shiro, not Saber, not Rin ... Archer.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:55:42 No.2636442 >>2636195 This

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 18:59:42 No.2636460

>>2636441

Except...

[X] Tohsaka removed the core of the Grail (with Archer's help, admittedly, but he couldn't do it himself even if he wanted to as Servants can't touch the mud)
[X] Saber exploded the grail (Archer's rain of swords only made it writhe)
[X] Shirou would've killed Gil alone had the above not distracted them both

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:01:42 No.2636466 >>2636441 So? Shirou wanted everyone to be saved, so his goal was achieved. It doesn't really matter if it was his future self who did it, that doesn't mean that he lost. Nor was he useless considering the other things he did in the route.

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:07:42 No.2636483

Here we go again.

Nothing that happens in UBW was not already done in Fate ... destroyed the Grail? too bad there is still the Greater Grail and everything can be repeated.

The only FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF moment is Archer being Shiro, that is if you did not pieced that up from Fate.

And thank you all for proving my point ... (also it ends my replies)

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:12:42 No.2636497 >>2636483 >Nothing that happens in UBW was not already done in Fate Reality Marble.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:14:42 No.2636505 Fate and UBW are just introductions to the real meat of the story, Heaven's Feel.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:23:42 No.2636546 >>2636195 It's the worst route, for many many reasons. And not only the moralfag reasons.

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:25:42 No.2636558

>>2636505

I personally didn't like Heaven's Feel mainly because I found it incredibly painful for Shirou to be doing all these terrible things, particularly when I'd loved his character previously. What annoyed me the most however was the fact that the story tried to make you feel responsible for this (Kill saber etc). However, in reality it pigeonholed the reader into these choices, and so it really just annoyed me.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:28:42 No.2636569 Heaven's Feel had far too many pointless H scenes. FAR too many, really broke the flow of the story.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:30:42 No.2636573 >>2636546 No it's not.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:31:42 No.2636579 >>2636569 I hated how for the first 10 days or so nothing happens. But just enough plot relevant stuff is revealed so your first time through you can't exactly just ctrl over it.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:31:42 No.2636580 >>2636573 Yes it is, I agreed, you are wrong.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:31:42 No.2636582 >>2636573 Contradiction is pretty pointless. Why do you disagree?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:31:42 No.2636583 Daddy didn't love her.

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:34:42 No.2636600

I'd really like to see a heaven's feel route where saber survives and Shirou tries to keep to his ideal. I think that would be really interesting. Considering it's much more grimdark than the other routes it would probably make for a better story than Shirou's whatever I just want to help Sakura motivation. I mean, his ideal doesn't REALLY get tested in the same way that it could in Heaven's Feel.

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:35:42 No.2636604

HF is my favourite route, but I think Sakura is by far the worst character in the game. I never liked him since Fate route, and I was expecting something better in HF, but the more I knew about her, the more I hated her. It doesn't help that she keeps saying that she is not fit for Shirou because she isn't a virgin.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:36:42 No.2636613 >>2636579 Welcome to FSN. This same shit was said about Fate when it was released and exploded on this very board after UBW was released. More like Fate/shit sux.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:37:42 No.2636616 I cried manly tears at the mind of steel ending. ...Then hated everything after it.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:37:42 No.2636617 >>2636600 Yeah, we need a remake with MIND OF STEEL route.

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:39:42 No.2636626

>>2636617

Mind of steel isn't really Shirou's ideal. It's similar, but not really the same. It's also implied that Shirou becomes like Kiritsugu, which is certainly not Shirou's ideal. (That said, I really doubt that would happen. His motivations at that point are nothing like Kiritsugu's whatsoever.)

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:40:42 No.2636636 >>2636600 Saber had to die because she would be completely incompatible with Shirou in Heaven's Feel. Can you imagine Saber's reaction to sparing Sakura?

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:43:42 No.2636649

>>2636558

Pigeonholed? I didn't pick kill Saber the first time through, and if you mean pigeonholed as in 'wrong choices = bad ends' then pretty much every route does that, HF is the only route where the bad ends are fucking amazing awesome.

Also, I liked Sakura, I found her guilt tripping relatively appropriate to her character and experiences. UBW is my least favorite route, as power-ups from protecting friends and wanting to be a hero generally fall into shounen land, even if UBW was obviously presented better than the generic shounen shit you'd think of.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:43:42 No.2636650 File: 298 KB, 446x590, 美綴02a(近).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Ayako route was the best.

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:45:42 No.2636657

>>2636649

The other routes don't present this kind of choice though. Things like the mind of steel choice were really annoying, mainly because after that Shirou kept going 'This is what I chose', implying that the player's choice was what motivated this. Only the player was forced into it. Same with killing Saber.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:46:42 No.2636659 File: 87 KB, 800x600, KotomineNO.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] HF is not Sakura's route. It is the route of the cute psycho loli and the badass priest.

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:49:42 No.2636664

>>2636657

So if Mind of Steel was longer then you'd be fine, as the sort of huge decision that affects how he behaves from now on should be an actual branch rather than a good/bad end situation? I can't necessarily disagree with that, though I can sort of fill in the gaps for Mind of Steel and treat it as its own branch anyways.

Also I forgot to mention... Given that I didn't hate Sakura like most people seem to, knowing HF's information totally fucking ruins the endings of Fate and UBW, especially UBW as they go to the fucking effort of saving Shinji, and he's a complete dick.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:50:42 No.2636668 >>2636664 I'm sure Shirou will save Sakura in the future :3

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:50:42 No.2636669

>>2636582
Well you didn't give any reasons either so I didn't feel the need to elaborate. HF has an interesting story, batshit insane Sakura, good battles, Kotomine actually becoming an interesting character and not just a generic villain, moving moments like Saber's death, and the best climax and ending in the entire game. That's easily enough to place it above Fate and even challenge UBW for best route.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:52:42 No.2636673 File: 41 KB, 181x165, 1231233409195.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2636649 >power-ups from protecting friends

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:54:42 No.2636682 Fate was the best route. Disagree and you are WRONG.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:56:42 No.2636688 >>2636657 It is what Shirou chose. He probably wouldn't make the other choice

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Fri, May 22, 2009 19:58:42 No.2636695 >>2636669 I never thought of Kotomine as a generic villain. He just always seemed cool, but never expanded upon properly. Then bam, he's fighting servants and challenging Shirou to the manliest of fisticuffs.

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 19:59:42 No.2636700

>>2636664
>the fucking effort of saving Shinji, and he's a complete dick.
As the story seems to imply, Zouken made some kind of brainwash with Shinji over the years since Sakura was adopted, to make him believe he is superior to everyone else, and therefore, easy to manipulate

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:01:42 No.2636706 >>2636688 Really? I thought it was terribly out of character for him. I also thought that if you look in the reasoning for each choice he describes, the save Sakura one seems very out of the blue.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:02:42 No.2636708 Sakura Sena? Fuck yeah, she's awesome.

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Fri, May 22, 2009 20:04:42 No.2636712

>>2636700
Shinji wasn't brainwashed. That was his true personality. Zouken encouraged him to abuse Sakura behind the scenes, but he also didn't give a second's worth of time thinking about Shinji personally, since Shinji was absolutely useless to him without the potential to be a magus.

Zouken ignored him, Sakura pitied him, and Shirou didn't even really know the guy.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:04:42 No.2636717 Out of interest, does anyone REALLY think Shirou made the right choice in HF? It seems fantastically retarded to me.

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:05:42 No.2636722

>>2636626
Mind of Steel is when Shirou chooses the "optimal" resolution to the dissonance in his ideal. It's Kiritsugu's path, compromising with reality to get as close to the ideal as possible. They discuss it in UBW: if everyone cannot be saved, then it is optimal to kill as few as possible to save as many as possible.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:08:42 No.2636733 >>2636669 >batshit insane Sakura Sakura wasn't batshit insane. She was just emo and lashing out because she was upset.

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Fri, May 22, 2009 20:09:42 No.2636737

>>2636722
Which is what Archer did, and look where that got him.

UBW Shirou's ideal is best: save the people you can within reach of you. Keep persevering through everything, because so long as the ideal is maintained and you keep trying, it's fine. It's not the end if someone gets hurt.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:10:42 No.2636745 >>2636717 It's not too wrong. There's just better choices.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:12:42 No.2636748 No, really, what's good about Sakura?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:12:42 No.2636750 >>2636717 I do, but I'm not getting into that shitstorm again.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Fri, May 22, 2009 20:13:42 No.2636752 >>2636748 1. More ero scenes. 2. Willing to do stuff that Saber and Rin wouldn't likely want to do. 3. ???

Jotaro Kujo !WNk8lcyPqE Fri, May 22, 2009 20:18:42 No.2636777

>>2636717

In all honesty I agree.

>>2636737

I seriously need to reread UBW. It's the only route in Fate/Stay Night I thought was above average.

I thought Fate was pretty meh until Gil showed up.

And HF for me was only bad except for Ilya and Kotomine. And it's amazing how all of the bad ends are better than the true end.

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:36:42 No.2636838

>>2636777

That's true, the true end seemed really stupid. It seemed like one of the 'good' ends. Bring in an extremely bullshit plot device in order to have a stupidly happy ending. Shirou was NOT going to live. And where is the whole paying for his sins that we heard so much about?

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:37:42 No.2636841

Fate is the boringest, shittiest route and Saber is a much better character when she's not forced into a stupid moeblob role. She is bad/ass/ in F/Z principally because there's no Shirou around to fuck things up with his retardation.

UBW is pretty cool too, Archer owns and it's got way more Gilgamesh which is always pleasant.

And say what you will about HF, but once the attack on Zouken begins the bar for badassery is set to the top and remains there.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:39:42 No.2636844 >>2636841 Here is your typical Shounen fan.

Jotaro Kujo !WNk8lcyPqE Fri, May 22, 2009 20:40:42 No.2636847

>And say what you will about HF, but once the attack on Zouken begins the bar for badassery is set to the top and remains there.

Zouken and True Assassin were horrible villains. And really Black Berserker and Saber weren't that great.

The only badassery brought to the table is by Kotomine after the attack on Zouken.

But meh, opinions.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:40:42 No.2636848 >>2636844 The joys of summer

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:40:42 No.2636851 If you're upset about the shitty good end in HF, you'll be happy to read Fate/zero. Bad ends for everyone.

>>	Jotaro Kujo !WNk8lcyPqE Fri, May 22, 2009 20:42:31 No.2636857 >>2636851 What? Whoever said any of us disliked happy endings? We just hate ones that are tacked on with some stupid plot device. Like UBW's good end. Sure it was nice, but completely stupid and complete bullshit.

>>	Jotaro Kujo !WNk8lcyPqE Fri, May 22, 2009 20:43:36 No.2636858 >>2636857 Whoops, keep forgetting to put "I" instead of "We". My mistake.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:43:42 No.2636859 >>2636848 You call May summer? I'd think it's pretty Shounen like to claim that a route is good due to its level of 'badassery'

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:43:42 No.2636860

>>2636838
>Shirou was NOT going to live.
It's not like F/SN is a realistic story in any way. Anything can happen so don't complain just because the story didn't progress the way you wanted it to.

>And where is the whole paying for his sins that we heard so much about?
HF Normal end? Or whatever the one where he dies is called.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:44:42 No.2636864 >>2636860 You don't take the alternative endings seriously though. Personally, I would switch the true and normal endings around. It makes a lot more sense.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:44:42 No.2636865 >>2636857 I feel that if you are going to cheese up an ending, really lay it on thick. Too little and it sucks but too much and it becomes good in its own way.

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:44:42 No.2636866

Sakura is my favourite. Does this mean I "REALLY" like her? No. I just like her way more than the other two. If it's ALL the girls, then she's number 3 after Rider and Caster (those two I "REALLY" like).

And HF is also my favourite route. UBW is higher on the awesome scale, with Archer, etc., but HF is like the complete story...we see Angra Mainyu, Dark Sakura, Zouken, True Assassin deeper relationship with Illy, more Rider, and the final battle with Kotomine is the greatest of them all. No weapons. No magic. Just fists.

>>	Jotaro Kujo !WNk8lcyPqE Fri, May 22, 2009 20:45:42 No.2636870 >>2636851 Never said I liked bad ends. I just dislike good ends that make no fucking sense. Especially one like this which is something you'd find in a children's movie or One Piece.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:46:42 No.2636872 >>2636838 >Shirou was NOT going to live. Wait a second. He DIDN'T. They had to bring in a MIRACLE (THIRD MOTHERFUCKING SORCERY) and give him a new body.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:47:42 No.2636876 I don't give a shit about routes, I just know that in term of waifus, here is how that shit breaks down Sakura > Rin > Saber Big tits win every time.

>>	Jotaro Kujo !WNk8lcyPqE Fri, May 22, 2009 20:47:42 No.2636878 >>2636872 Through some unholy bullshit plot device. That was highly improbable even for Nasu's standards. But hell, this is Nasu.

>>	Jotaro Kujo !WNk8lcyPqE Fri, May 22, 2009 20:48:42 No.2636881 >Big tits win every time. What the- Nevermind, just noticed it was Friday.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:48:42 No.2636883 >>2636878 Nasu, who has created the best, deepest and most interesting fictional universe in years. Your point?

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:50:42 No.2636890

>>2636878

>Through some unholy bullshit plot device.

Yeah, that whole "Third Sorcery" thing totally wasn't able to bring back the dead, Servants totally don't exist and Gilgamesh is totally not alive again.
It's the base fucking clause of the Holy Grail War, get over it.

>That was highly improbable even for Nasu's standards.

Yeah, the Miracle-working Sorcerers totally didn't exist by THE TSUKIHIME PROLOGUE.

You're an idiot.

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:50:42 No.2636892

>>2636860

Yes, its the normal end were he brings down the sword instead of trying to figure out a way to stay alive.

Of course Ilya hinted that she was going to do something so its not much a "ass pull" or "coop out", the only thing someone could complain about was Zouken "humanization" at the end (but it really shows how things can be, Archer ended up in a similar way).

>>	Jotaro Kujo !WNk8lcyPqE Fri, May 22, 2009 20:51:42 No.2636897 >>2636883 >best, deepest ...Snrk. The man can entertain someone, yes, but deep? I wouldn't go that far, anonymous.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:51:42 No.2636898 File: 11 KB, 320x240, Isee.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Sakura > Rin > Saber

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:51:42 No.2636899 File: 454 KB, 808x581, ルヴィア02a(近).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2636876 By that logic, Luvia is better than Rin. She is, but for reasons other than just tits.

Jotaro Kujo !WNk8lcyPqE Fri, May 22, 2009 20:53:42 No.2636906

>>2636890

>Yeah, that whole "Third Sorcery" thing totally wasn't able to bring back the dead
>Yeah, the Miracle-working Sorcerers totally didn't exist by THE TSUKIHIME PROLOGUE.

Where did I even imply, that the third sorcery was the improbability?

Because that certainly wasn't it.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:55:42 No.2636915 >>2636906 Well, what's the improbability, then? It's a plot device that has been there THE ENTIRE STORY. You honestly didn't think it was going to be used?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:56:42 No.2636920 FSN didn't let you rape anyone so the game is inferior anyways. Shinji should've been the protagonist.

>>	Jotaro Kujo !WNk8lcyPqE Fri, May 22, 2009 20:57:42 No.2636925 >>2636915 Finding a host body for his soul while he was underground and rocks were falling on top of everything.

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:58:42 No.2636934

>>2636906

You call it plot device despite Ilya mention the basic works of body transfer well before the ending as the 3rd sorcerory being mentioned several times.

You can call it "lame" when it comes from the blue with little or no previous explination but there was significant foreshadow of HL true ending.

If you want to call something lame, try Kotomine "dead man walking" ... now that fits the bill.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 20:58:42 No.2636935 >>2636925 But they didn't. Did you miss the fact that they had to find a master puppet maker for a new body? Ilyasviel just took Shirou's soul out of there, leaving his body to get crushed.

>>	Jotaro Kujo !WNk8lcyPqE Fri, May 22, 2009 20:59:42 No.2636938 >>2636935 Oh right. I forgot about that. Ah well.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:00:42 No.2636943 >>2636925 Body? No, no, no, no ... pendant, the same one that summoned Archer, saved Shiro life, etc ...

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:01:42 No.2636948 File: 62 KB, 640x480, 413.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This, Nine Bullet Revolver, and Sparks Liner Higher are the only good parts of HF

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:04:42 No.2636969 >>2636948 Sparks Liner Higher? What the hell is that?

>>	Jotaro Kujo !WNk8lcyPqE Fri, May 22, 2009 21:05:42 No.2636971 >>2636948 >Nine Bullet Revolver Ehhh. I thought it was pretty damn underwhelming.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:05:42 No.2636974 >>2636948 Mind of Steel.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:06:42 No.2636978 >>2636969 I believe he means "Sparks Liner High". Bad End 38, going without Rider's help, solo Shirou vs. Dark Saber.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:08:42 No.2636987 File: 96 KB, 610x473, 1232576921322.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2636969 Sparks Liner High, the bad end where Shirou defeats Dark Saber on his own

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:08:42 No.2636990 >>2636978 Ah ok

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:09:42 No.2636999 I like Rider's fight with Dark Saber.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:10:42 No.2637012 The good parts of HF are all of it. Black Saber vs. Rider, Shirou vs. Dark Berserker, Kotominei vs. Fucking Everything. Jesus, people.

>>	Jotaro Kujo !WNk8lcyPqE Fri, May 22, 2009 21:11:42 No.2637017 File: 32 KB, 640x480, DATA2_4200.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2636999 KAMEHAME-

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:12:42 No.2637022 >>2636999 >>2637017 fight was freakin awesome. I instantly thought DBZ beam struggle.

>>	Jotaro Kujo !WNk8lcyPqE Fri, May 22, 2009 21:14:42 No.2637035 >>2637022 Hence the reason I disliked it.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:16:42 No.2637046 File: 51 KB, 640x480, 364.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2636971 best be joking

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:18:42 No.2637056 Kohaku > Sakura

>>	Jotaro Kujo !WNk8lcyPqE Fri, May 22, 2009 21:18:42 No.2637058 >>2637046 I'm being serious. I guess it was just the atmosphere or something but I was completely overwhelmed by Shiro's UBW but when I saw this I thought..."Meh, UBW was much better."

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:18:42 No.2637059 >>2636325 Ex-fucking-catly, Rider was the only reason I was bothered to play HF.

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:19:42 No.2637061

>>2637035

I'm sorry, maybe a game where you go to school and frantically try to plan a club festival while balancing the affections of four variously moe love interests is more up your alley.

What the fuck are you expecting exactly and why are you in this thread? It's pretty clear you don't even like FSN so I have to assume you're just trolling.

Jotaro Kujo !WNk8lcyPqE Fri, May 22, 2009 21:21:42 No.2637070

>>2637061

I WASN'T EXPECTING A BEAMU FROM RIDER.

Let alone one of the same color of the one of Goku's from DBZ. Honestly, I've tired of seeing beams in like everything after DBZ and this is no exception. I love action but come on they could've done this fight much better without a beam.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:22:42 No.2637076 >>2637070 >Let alone one of the same color of the one of Goku's from DBZ Kamehameha wave is blue-white, Bellerophon is just white. Also, Bellerophon technically is not a beam, it is a projectile that leaves a wake. More like a comet.

>>	Jotaro Kujo !WNk8lcyPqE Fri, May 22, 2009 21:23:42 No.2637080 >>2637076 Like that makes it look any less like a beam from DBZ.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:25:42 No.2637089 >>2637070 Oh? like its not THE SAME FUCKING ATTACK she used before in Fate?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:25:42 No.2637090 >>2637080 Well, there's the fact that it's not shooting out of anyone's hands. In fact, Rider herself is riding Pegasus in the attack, so she's right in the FRONT of that 'beam', which if it was a beam would be rather silly.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:28:42 No.2637108 >>2637070 Did you forget the scene where Rider slashes her own neck to form a circle that destroyed the school hallway in Fate? Yeah, she does it again in HF.

Jotaro Kujo !WNk8lcyPqE Fri, May 22, 2009 21:29:42 No.2637113

>>2637089

It's not different. I'm just saying I disliked the horse suddenly looking like a beam in HF.

>>2637090

>In fact, Rider herself is riding Pegasus in the attack, so she's right in the FRONT of that 'beam', which if it was a beam would be rather silly.

In Fate she's riding it. In HF it looked like she just fired the horse out by itself to me.

>>	Jotaro Kujo !WNk8lcyPqE Fri, May 22, 2009 21:29:42 No.2637117 >>2637108 I know. But like I said. I WAS EXPECTING IT TO LOOK LIKE A HORSE NOT A BEAM.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:30:42 No.2637122 >>2637113 >it looked like she just fired the horse out by itself to me Doesn't work that way. Rider is "Rider" for a reason. Bellerophon as it is are just golden reigns, Pegasus itself has nothing to do with the Noble Phantasm.

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:30:42 No.2637123

>>2637012

You forget Tohsaka whipping out Zelretch.

I'd say HF is the most conclusive, exciting route and by all accounts it seems the canon route going by F/Z's layout.

The one shitty thing is that Gilgamesh gets killed stupidly right off the bat and isn't able to do shit. I think it would've been awesome if they'd actually tried to delve into him some as well like they had with nearly all the other servants and have him and Dark Saber both like, kill each other or something.

>>	Jotaro Kujo !WNk8lcyPqE Fri, May 22, 2009 21:32:42 No.2637130 >>2637122 Feh. Reasons or not, I really didn't care for the fight in general. I already had it in Fate and in Fate they fought up the side of a building. This one was just boring to me.

>>	Jotaro Kujo !WNk8lcyPqE Fri, May 22, 2009 21:33:42 No.2637138 >>2637123 >And meet Dark Saber and have them like...kill each other. Glad I'm not the only one who thought this route could use some more Gil.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:33:42 No.2637140 >>2637123 There is no canon route.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:33:42 No.2637142 I think Bellerophon has two versions.... The comet style horse and the BEAAAAAAAMMMMMMMU!

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:35:42 No.2637149 >>2637123 There is no canon route. It was done like that on purpose.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:35:42 No.2637153 >>2637123 >it seems the canon route going by F/Z's layout. ... What? ... WHAT? How in the hell did you reach that conclusion?

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:36:42 No.2637156

>>2637123
They showed Gilgamesh as a good guy killing an evil monster also he was trying to make Sakura commit suicide. Besides he was shown as awesome isn't Sakura strong enough to summon hundreds of monsters each as strong as Excalibur and he 'killed' her once.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:39:42 No.2637173 >>2637153 Kiritsugu doesn't want to be a hero of justice. He just wanted to live happily with his waifu. Shirou doesn't want to be a hero of justice. He just wants to live happily with his waifu

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:40:42 No.2637182 >>2637153 A bunch of shit in F/Z basically hinges on HF occurring.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:40:42 No.2637183 >>2637153 He's just a dumbass. They're alternate realities. They're all "canon" in their own timelines.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:41:42 No.2637185 I like how Gilgamesh,Lancer,Kuzuki and Assassin had like NO SPRITES.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:41:42 No.2637188 >>2637173 He always wanted to be a hero of justice. Besides, his deredere mode ends after Irisviel dies.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:42:42 No.2637192 >>2637183 Kara no Kyoukai is the only TM thing to officially exist in a parallel reality. Everything else occurs in the same universe. One route is true, the others are fake. Deal.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:42:42 No.2637193 >>2637182 >F/Z hinges on HF Reverse causality? You lost me.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:42:42 No.2637198 >>2637185 Okay, yeah, the fact that all the UBW villains (except Archer) got cut out immediately was unfair.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:44:42 No.2637202 >>2637192 Zelretch and Archer want to punch you.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:44:42 No.2637204 >>2637192 Now you aren't even trying.

>>	Lacuna !k4IsHiAtus Fri, May 22, 2009 21:45:42 No.2637209 >>2637193 Lancer got sick of getting fucked and Gae Bolg'd the Fate franchise.

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:46:42 No.2637210

>>2637183

They are not, they are routes but they do not invalidate previous events that are common to every route.

F/Z is the 4th Grail War, the 5th Grail War is F/SN but still the events of the 4th Grail War do not change.

In short, Sakura is always Rin's Sister no matter what route you are playing , Rider is always the Sakura Servent (even if you only get to know that in HF), Archer is Shiro (even if you only get to know that in UBW), etc ...

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Fri, May 22, 2009 21:46:42 No.2637211 File: 80 KB, 562x581, Shirou-Cry.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2636229 You can't use no-words.jpg! That's my image!

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:47:42 No.2637213 >>2637198 And there i was preparing for a CG of gil being tentacle raped by Sakura.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:48:42 No.2637219 >>2637210 Fate and UBW don't resolve the fact that Grail War will continue or the fact that Sakura is a ticking time bomb at all. They in no way bring the series to proper completion.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:50:42 No.2637224 You know what Fate and UBW missed? Zouken still lives.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:50:42 No.2637225 >>2637210 >They are not, they are routes but they do not invalidate previous events that are common to every route. That's the fucking point. They're each a separate continuity that stem from a common backstory.

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:51:42 No.2637229

>>2636174
I am not a big fan of of the Sakura Shinji final encounter, because afterwards it's just "lol I'm full crazy now" even though her reasoning for resisting was sound. I definitely do not hate her character, it's mostly understandable to be in that sort of frame of mind given the background. Ultimately though, Rin is superior.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:51:42 No.2637232 >>2637219 >>2637224 That has NOTHING AT ALL to do with Fate/Zero.

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:51:42 No.2637233

>>2637192

That is not extractly true ... there is no "one is the true ending and the rest are not",even in F/H A there was mix of all routes despite it having to rely on HF route to make sense (after all, we only get to know about Avenger in HF and how its only on HF that the Great Grail is destroyed).

Type-Moon does not make a "official ending".

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:55:42 No.2637253 >>2637233 There may not be a de facto canon ending where TM is concerned, but everything you just mentioned (Plus Zouken and all that) kinda make HF implicitly the route that must have happened.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Fri, May 22, 2009 21:56:42 No.2637260 >>2637253 Except UBW is canon, because Rin is a better protagonist who doesn't end up dying.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:56:42 No.2637261 >>2637232 I wasn't talking about F/Z, fuckface. Different person, and the argument still applies.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:57:42 No.2637266 >>2637253 ALL OF THEM HAPPEN GODDAMN HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:59:42 No.2637275 >>2637266 BECAUSE TWO OF THEM DON'T FUCKING RESOLVE THINGS TO COMPLETION.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 21:59:42 No.2637276 Every route resolves the Holy Grail War. Fate and UBW = Waver purges the shit from the great Holy Grail HF = Shirou destroys the great Holy Grail

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:00:42 No.2637277

>>2637253

Well I do agree with you but I know a lot of people do not like the idea of HF being made the "official" route and Type-Moon seem to avoid the issue by making F/HA pretty much a fan disk that arguable cannot be taken as "canon" (since it never actually "happens").

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:01:42 No.2637281 IIRC The Grail War is dismantled by grown-up Waver in either Fate or UBW (Maybe both of them?) so that resolves the problem of the Great Grail still being around at least. Zouken and Sakura's inner yandere are still a problem though.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:01:42 No.2637283 >>2637219 I disagree. F/SN was Shirou's story, not "the story of the end of the holy grail war".

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:01:42 No.2637284 >>2637275 That doesn't mean that they "don't happen". For fucks sake.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:02:42 No.2637287 >>2637276 .... No, its still there since ... you know ... the Grail was destroyed in the 4th Grail War and in order to actually "clean it" you have to do destroy the Greater Grail since its here is actually IS, not in the Grail.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:03:42 No.2637291 >>2637281 Zouken then Gives up on reaching Akasha if the Great Holy Grail is destroyed and Shinji either becomes good or dead.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:03:42 No.2637294 >>2637283 Shirou is an annoying, naive and shitty fuckface; HF is the only route where he actualls mans up and becomes interesting. Still wrong.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:03:42 No.2637295 >>2637287 You underestimate Lord El-Melloi II's manliness.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:04:42 No.2637297 >>2637281 That is fan "rationalization" of the worst kind, nothing on the epilogues give any type of support for that. In Fate and UBW there is still a possibility of a 6th Grail War, in HF there is none.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:05:42 No.2637299 >>2637297 Character Material, bro.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:06:42 No.2637302 >>2637294 So...what does that have to do with my post?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:06:42 No.2637303 UBW don't impress me much. Because he was like a gay fanboy to Archer at that time... and the only thing that made me notice shirou is when he casts the reality marble.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:07:42 No.2637304 >>2637297 It was retconned. Fifth War is the final war, no matter what.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:07:42 No.2637306 >>2637297 Word of God, bro.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:08:42 No.2637307 >>2637283 Fate = Saber's story UBW = Archer's story HF = True Holy Grail war

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:10:42 No.2637314 >>2637307 >HF = Fake Holy Grail war It appears that you forgot that whole "Sakura isn't the True Grail" thing went over your head.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:10:42 No.2637315 It kinda sucks really because more grail wars would be fun. I kinda hope they'll keep going back and showing us how the Third, Second and First Grail Wars went down too whether through books or VNs or whatever.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:11:42 No.2637319 >>2637307 Fate: Saber's story UBW: Shirou's story HF: Bizarro Shirou's story

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:11:42 No.2637320

>>2637299

So you are using a character that only shows up in HF because Rin figured out how to created the jeweled sword and shown no interrest on the Greater Grail at all during the 3rd Grail War were it was corrupted or the 4th Grail War were it was still corrupted because ...

Serious ... its not character material, either you use a character that is explicit said to be on the game (not universe, the ACTUAL game) and have proper reasoning to do it (and none have, they never acted before) or you dont.

You might as well say The World did it ...

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:13:42 No.2637325

>>2637320

>So you are using a character that only shows up in HF because Rin figured out how to created the jeweled sword

That's Zelretch, completely unrelated.

>Serious ... its not character material

Read the pages of "Load El-Melloi II".

(lol, "Load")

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:13:42 No.2637326 >>2637315 First: Oh, whoops, looks like we fucked up the grail. Our bad. Second: Shit, broke again. Let's try next year. Third: Okay, it seems to be working fine this ti- Oh fuck, who killed Angra? There goes our grail! Yawn.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:14:42 No.2637330 >>2637326 >Third: Let's summon Satan lololololol fixed

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:15:42 No.2637334

>>2637320
http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Waver_Velvet

>As Lord El-Melloi II, Waver Velvet is Tohsaka Rin's lecturer at the Magus Association and possesses an interest in the popular culture of Japan (though he likes little else about the country).
>He is responsible for dismantling the Holy Grail after the fifth Holy Grail War.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:15:42 No.2637335 >>2637314 Except Sakura is as much as a Grail as Ilya is ... she might be a incomplete Grail but then again, so was Shinji. You people sould at least know what you are talking about ...

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:15:42 No.2637338 >>2637320 No, there's an actual document called the "Character Material". Give it a read.

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:16:42 No.2637343

>>2637335

>Except Sakura is as much as a Grail as Ilya is ... she might be a incomplete Grail but then again, so was Shinji.

Shinji wasn't a Grail at all.
He was just a shell for Ilya's Grail, which Gil jammed in his heart.
Sakura was an incomplete Grail, and therefore fake.

I know what I'm talking about, you don't.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Fri, May 22, 2009 22:18:42 No.2637350 >>2637335 Sakura is an erotical black hole. The servants became trapped by her gravitational field and were incapable of escaping. She's a gravitational singularity, not a grail.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:19:42 No.2637352 ORT > FSN

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:20:42 No.2637357 >>2637352 Why ya gotta be draggin' ORT into this, bro?

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:21:42 No.2637361 >>2637352 All seven servants combined ought to be able to take out ORT. Hell of a fight, though.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:22:42 No.2637363 File: 25 KB, 203x226, 1242074625057.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2637352 Hey newfriend. At least dedicate more time to lurking so you can learn how to troll properly.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:22:42 No.2637366 >>2637361 No. It takes 7 COUNTER GUARDIANS (Servants + infinite mana + cannot die) to hold down Primate Murder, who isn't even near the league of Type entities like ORT.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:23:42 No.2637367 >>2637361 If by combine you mean six of them somehow hold ORT back while Giglamesh uses Planet Killing power Ea, you'd be correct, other wise no.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:23:42 No.2637369 >>2637343 >Sakura was an incomplete Grail, and therefore fake. Makes you wonder why Zouken bothered with the "fake grail" stunt. It certainly blew up in his face. Guess the Einzbern's screw up with the Third Grail War didn't teach him anything.

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:24:42 No.2637374

>>2637343

No, Sakura had a shard of the Grail of the 4th Grail War ... not a Fake.

Besides the process of the container is never explained, Shinji was not suitable and was going to overflow as Sakura was intended to work as one and worked as one, also Ilya is the older sister and so "born" before the 4th Grail War that they intended to win anyway so I find strange she was build as a Grail from the get-go (after all, the container was only done when they wanted it) so the original plans for Ilya was not for be the Grail.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:25:42 No.2637380 >>2637369 Because it almost did work? after all it was going to work as he wanted until she decided to say goodbye to grandfather ...

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:26:42 No.2637384 >>2637374 >No, Sakura had a shard of the Grail of the 4th Grail War ... not a Fake. But still incomplete. >Ilya The entire line of Einzbern homonculi are Holy Grails. Born and raised.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:27:42 No.2637389 >>2637367 I love Gil, but even Ea may not work on ORT. I think it's pretty much invincible as long as you're fighting it on Earth or something. Take heart though; Gil is still the singular most powerful non-type entity in TM.

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:29:42 No.2637395

>>2637389

>Take heart though; Gil is still the singular most powerful non-type entity in TM.

IF HE WOULD EVER GET SERIOUS, MAYBE
But there's also top-tier Zelretch (defeated Crimson Moon with a tremendous heap of luck), and possibly the other Sorcerers.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:30:42 No.2637396 >>2637380 Yeah, it almost worked until the girl who he tortured decided to kill him. A plan that relies on giving limitless power to someone who hates your guts? Stupid move.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:38:42 No.2637422 >>2637389 Ea should work since it has the power to kill planets being Anti-World and all, but we don't know how Ea works at full power.

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:40:42 No.2637430

>>2637396

Well he did raise her to be pure so she would never betray him.

Kinda missed the point when she killed Shinji but still he believed she would remain loyal to him, even if just because she had no other option.

Besides its pretty in character of him because she was loyal to him up to that point and things were going according to plan, he simply made one mistake and that was enough.

Rome !!EPVwTIz4j/f Fri, May 22, 2009 22:41:42 No.2637434
File: 50 KB, 640x480, c_hf_4-10b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>No weapons. No magic. Just fists.
FINAL DESTINATION

Well, I took that off my chest. Let's carry on.
>>2636558
So you say. I ended up on Sparks Liner High and stopped playing for a week because I knew that the real end couldn't be better. And I was right.

The normal end blew my mind though. The true end is more appropriate for a Nasu work, but the fact that the Normal one IS the last ending you see, carries some meaning.

Shirou is dead, Rin is gone, Ilya is nowhere to be found and Sakura lives on, always waiting and waiting for him. Never even thinking of another man nor anything else for that matter. She wasted all her life waiting, but she seemed happy for it. And, in the end, they got to be together. The happiest and saddest ending of them all.
It's similar to Fate's Avalon ending, but more realistic.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:43:42 No.2637446 >>2637389 Gil can defeat anyone using Enuma Elish except for Saber w/ Avalon

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:44:42 No.2637449 >>2637430 She had zero reason to be loyal to him though. He was a bastard, after all, and had to control her through power and fear. Once she had more power than him...game over.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:44:42 No.2637451 >>2637434 >Rin is gone Lol no. But she does have a grandchild later on.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:44:42 No.2637454 >>2637434 you can get the normal ending before the true ending

Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:52:42 No.2637489

>>2637449

Yes, that is true but still ... as you pointed out, she was loyal despite as you said "having more power".

She simply at last snaped and decided to kill him but look at Sakura personality, she only did kill someone when she was pushed far beyond her point and she still regreat it.

Also its easy to point out the mistake he did because he almost got killed (still alive until Ilya found him) and lost but fact is his plan was working.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:55:42 No.2637512 File: 273 KB, 642x1083, howtotrolfsnfags.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >205 posts and 18 image replies omitted. Click Reply to view. Every fucking time.

>>	Anonymous Fri, May 22, 2009 22:57:42 No.2637523 >>2637395 Yeah but by the time FSN occurs Zelretch has grown too weaksauce to be in the running. Back in his day though FFFFF

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