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After getting all the way up to 180 kanji, I suddenly feel like there's no point in learning Japanese. At all. Is that the cruel truth, /jp/?

>> No.2634994

>>2634987
Huh, why are you learning Japanese? If you don't have a reason for it you might as well give it up.

>> No.2634993

go go go just 3243535 kanji left.

>> No.2634997

>>2634994
I guess some anon reason like "I want to understand my fapping material"

>> No.2635003

If you learn it for their media, keep going on. You're probably going to watch/read/play their shit for long, if you like it.

>> No.2635019

Can't translate for shit with only 180 kanji?

>> No.2635024

>>2635019
Hahaha, good one.

>> No.2635026

>>2635019
Actually I translated quite a lot of shit for /jp/ when it played aisp@ce.

>> No.2635046

>>2635026
How hard is it to learn 180 kanji?

I just want to understand shit ATLAS refuse to translate.

>> No.2635051

>>2635019
those 2000 general use kanji are pretty much the minimum to understand anything well enough to enjoy it. That's my experience at least.
Me, I'm working on getting to the 3000 mark now. I'm not in a hurry though, I do recognize 95% of the kanji in my eroge, making it possible to simply learn those I don't know yet when they come up without becoming too boring.

>> No.2635060

At least you've reached a JLPT 4 level.

>> No.2635067

>>2635060
this whole JLPT thing (especially the levels below 1) is a joke though. But let's not start this...

>> No.2635069

Is there any tool to learn this shit? I dont like books very much.

>> No.2635071

really, your goal should be to get enough starting kanji to learn by immersion.

at certain points you'll start seeing certain new kanji, and you know you're making progress when you recognize them even though you don't know what they mean. Around the fifth time you see them, you'll look up the meaning and you won't forget it.

>> No.2635089 [DELETED] 

WHAT KING OF LANGUAGE HAS 2000 LETTERS?

>> No.2635094

WHAT KIND OF LANGUAGE HAS 2000 LETTERS?

>> No.2635108

>>2635094
none that I know of.
Kanji aren't an alphabet, if that's what you're referring to.
English would be much better off using some kanji instead of fucking up the Latin writing system with non-phonetic spelling.

>> No.2635109

>>2635071
I keep forgetting them, 5th, 10th, but when I see a new one I forget the older. God, I feel so stupid.

>> No.2635114
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2635114

>>2634987
I started yesterday again using kanji alive.

Now i know 120 of them.

>> No.2635118

I'd say I know approx. 500 kanji, and I still feel illiterate.

>> No.2635126

>>2635094
I know you're a troll, but Kanjis really aren't letters.
木 means tree, 林 means grove, 森 means forest... let me see you do that with A, B and C.

>> No.2635132

Up to 750 kanji so far since Febuary. Not too difficult I'd say.

>> No.2635137

I know one. When I learn a second one I forget the first one...

>> No.2635138

>>2635126

tree, grove, forest... now what?

>> No.2635149

>>2635137
I once knew 一 and 二
I forgot both of them when I learned 三

>> No.2635159

If I really want to learn it where do I start.

Im way to shy to go to school again.

>> No.2635155
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2635155

>180 kanji
>all the way

>> No.2635163

>>2635159

Heisig

>> No.2635182

>>2635159
Think like a kindergarten student.

Learn your 123s. Since there are no ABCs, start with words for common things, like pencil, apple, car, etc.

>> No.2635183

>>2635163
Is there a download?

>> No.2635188

>>2634987

You need around 900 to read a newspaper. Good luck with that

>> No.2635194

>>2635183

Yes.

>> No.2635201

>>2635159
>Im way to shy to go to school again.
no big deal, school is useless, especially for learning foreign languages. I'm the only one in my English course who is even close to being fluent, even though all of us have been taking English courses for at least 10 years - I've learned just as little in them as everyone else did, but I did do some actually USEFUL stuff on my own. Such as playing video games and watching American movies.

anyway, I second >>2635163

>> No.2635205 [DELETED] 

>>2635194
can you pint me to it? german version would be great.

>> No.2635208

>>2635194
can you point me to it? german version would be great.

>> No.2635216

>>2635208
englische Version gibt's auf /rs/, allerdings in ner alten Edition.
Wenn du die deutsche willst, kauf dir das Buch einfach. Es gibt nicht viele Buecher, die es so wert sind, gekauft zu werden.

>> No.2635217

>>2634987
You've hit the plateau of satisfaction, now learning a few more kanji doesn't give you the same feeling of accomplishment like it did at the beginning.
I'll be honest, you still have a lot of work ahead of you, and it'll get progressively more difficult since you'll have more stuff to remember.
Once you hit 1000 kanji though you can understand most slice-of-life modern stuff (like, 70-80%), and from there you can learn playing/watching things.
I've not yet taken JLPT2 and I could play through all Amagami understanding basically everything, except a few kanji here and there.

>> No.2635225

>>2635216
thanks.

>> No.2635230

The best way to learn a language is to live in a country where it's the primary language for 1 or 2 years.

>> No.2635236

>>2635182
I did this. The next step was to learn the kanji of all touhoues.

>> No.2635238

I keep hearing things like "once you learn x kanji, you should be able to understand most of y", but how do you decide what order to learn the kanji in? People obviously aren't going to be learning the exact same kanji. Do you try and learn specific words first, like verbs or adjectives?

>> No.2635243

>>2635230
true. But it's not a guarantee to becoming fluent. There're lots of people who live in a country for decades and don't become fluent in the language, because they build themselves an immersion environment of their own language. Just look at all the Spics born in America who hardly speak English, or Turks born in Germany who speak broken German, or American JET neckbeards who don't speak Japanese even after several years.

>> No.2635246

>>2634987
>all the way up to 180 kanji

what are you, a 5 year old?

>> No.2635248

How many weeks to understand my fapping games?

>> No.2635256

>>2635248
12 for me.
Depends on what you define as "understand" though.

>> No.2635270

Does anyone have a pirated copy of Declan's ReadWrite Kanji that won't set off my antivirus?

>> No.2635277

>>2635256
How many hour per day?

>> No.2635284

>>2635238
even if the order's not the same, you can roughly estimate where the easy ones end and the difficult ones begin.
For example if you say 100 kanji of course they won't be the same for everyone, but it's almost certain there'll be at least the kanji for numbers, "I" and a few other things.
If you manage to learn kanji like bara at the beginning, good for you.

>> No.2635287

>>2635248
four years of uni and I still need dictionary for difficult words.

>> No.2635294

>>2635277
Depends. usually between 8 and 12 hours, when time allowed it. But sometimes only 1 hour or so when I had lots of non-japanese things to do.
Being a social outcast sure has its benefits.

I don't understand every single word though. But I do understand enough for the stories to be fun to read.

>> No.2635302

>>2635294

what's your method?

>> No.2635309

ok brb with perfect japanese skills

>> No.2635318

>>2635302
well, there are two main points to my "method":
1. Study kanji like a madman
2. Read Eroge like a madman. (they're ideal for learning, if you think about it - where else do you get exact subtitles for lots of spoken language with visual context clues wrapped up in entertaining stories?)

>> No.2635326

>>2635270
Extract whatever file sets off your antivirus, with an universal extractor, 7-zip, or whatever which will maybe give you said malware, along with the actual program.
Delete malware. Keep program.
WELCOME TO THE BOTNET

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2635330

errr what?

>> No.2635351

>>2635330
I heard you can remember four as "two squared"

>> No.2635355

>>2635330
What's the problem? You can just make up your own stories if those don't agree with you.

>> No.2635360

whats the meaning of the things right to the english text?

>> No.2635368

well i guess I shouldn't have opened a random file?

remembering the kana part 1 is the way to go?

>> No.2635377

>>2635330
Oh god, this is more retarded than I thought.

>> No.2635380

>>2635109
Use a SRS, forget about forgetting.

http://ichi2.net/anki/
http://supermemo.com/

>> No.2635385

>>2635360
The counting pronunciation.

>> No.2635387

>>2635360
Ignore all the readings until you've completed book 1. Then start learning readings in context as part of sentences.

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2635383

>Since there are no ABCs

>> No.2635395

HOLY SHIT I FEEL LIKE TRAPPED IN AN ALIEN WORLD!

>> No.2635427

>>2635380
How do you use Anki? I mean you download some list of kanji, but there's millions of them you don't know already and don't want to study... what do you do?

>> No.2635455

>>2635427
it comes with "remembering the kanji" deck

>> No.2635469

Holy fuck I know how to write A in japanese! And it only took me 30 minutes!

so pro!

>> No.2635476

I start Japanese next academic term. It's not pointless, think of all the utility you can derive.

>> No.2635519

>>2635476
Consuming entertainment media, translating entertainment media..?

>> No.2635565

Oh wow some kanji actually make sense!

>> No.2635583

>>2635476
You'll just end up dropping it within a month. Spend your money on something else.

>> No.2635594

Just downloaded a bunch of Heisig books.

Can a skip that kana shit an jump right to kanji?

>> No.2635601

>>2635594
Only if you know Cyrillic.

>> No.2635604

How much kanji do you need to know to understand most eroge?

>> No.2635611

I know more than three times as many kanji as you OP, and I'm still learning.

>> No.2635623

>>2635601
Why do I need that? My eroge use Kanji only?

>> No.2635627

>>2635601
What?

>> No.2635667

Almost 4 months exactly of studying and I'm at 1560 kanji. It was really easy until 1500, then I started to forget a lot and am getting lazy. MUST STICK WITH IT AUUGHGHGH.

>> No.2635674

Started 5 minutes ago now I know 1,2,3,4 and old

>> No.2635681

>>2635667
With that much you could easily just start reading furigana'd manga, and picking up the rest of the kanji from that.

>> No.2635723

>>2635674

You're getting the hang of it. At one kanji per minute, you should have the entire written language in...approx. 3 days, if you marathon it. Ganbatte!

>> No.2635751

Hey, I was wondering how you go about the different readings of the kanji.
Personally I put kanji combinations/readings I see into anki and leave it at that.

>> No.2635781

>>2635126
>木 means tree, 林 means grove, 森 means forest... let me see you do that with A, B and C.

tree, trees.

Done.

>> No.2635791

>>2635674
you actually know the kanji for 1,2,3,4, mouth and old

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2635793

>this thread

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2635799

>>2635793

>> No.2635803

>>2635793
>>2635799
Well at least it is japan related.

>> No.2635860

It probably is pointless OP. I started for no reason other than unemployment and now, I just work, come home study some kanji / pharses, and sit on /jp/ all evening. &&& I don't even know what touhou is :(

わかりません

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2635899

http://www.hellodamage.com/kanjidicks/main.htm

I was using this in conjunction with Anki about a month ago, and got up to 80 kanji in a week before getting bored. Took a lot less time to recall shit than Heisig (for me, at least), and I was actually learning the meaning of a given kanji because he incorporates the radicals into a story that'll give you the meaning -- so long as you can recall it. Of course, I wasn't worrying about the onyomi readings much. But I tried to learn them if I could.

An example:
計 with the reading "Measure SATAN!!!!! He's just huge, dude!!".

My shitty explanation doesn't really do the system justice, though. Just read the big ass introduction on the front page.

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2635912

http://www.hellodamage.com/kanjidicks/main.htm

I was using this in conjunction with Anki about a month ago, and got up to 80 kanji in a week before getting bored. Took a lot less time to recall shit than Heisig (for me, at least), and I was actually learning the meaning of a given kanji because he incorporates the radicals into a story that'll give you the meaning -- so long as you can recall it. Of course, I wasn't worrying about the onyomi readings much. But I tried to learn them if I could.

An example:
計 with the reading "Measure SATAN!!!!! He's just huge, dude!!".
十 - is "ten".
言 - is "say".

My shitty explanation doesn't really do the system justice, though. Just read the big ass introduction on the front page.

>> No.2635914

eroge sound like a good way to help learn and to have fun. But being that it is erotic I can't see playing one in a house full of siblings *lol lives with parent fag*.

>> No.2635921
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2635921

http://www.hellodamage.com/kanjidicks/main.htm

I was using this in conjunction with Anki about a month ago, and got up to 80 kanji in a week before getting bored. Took a lot less time to recall shit than Heisig (for me, at least), and I was actually learning the meaning of a given kanji because he incorporates the radicals into a story that'll give you the meaning -- so long as you can recall it. Of course, I wasn't worrying about the onyomi readings much. But I tried to learn them if I could.

An example:
十 - is "ten"
言 - is "say"
計 is "measure", with the reading "Measure SATAN!!!!! He's just huge, dude!!".

My shitty explanation doesn't really do the system justice, though. Just read the big ass introduction on the front page.

>> No.2635943

I have a bit of the same problem. I can study a lot of vocabulary without putting too much effort into it, but it depresses me to think of all the time I have to spend on it that I'll never get back. I'm not yet at the stage I can read most stuff and have any certainty what it means, and even when I do get there, I'll probably spend a few years there before I can read at a decent speed.

>> No.2636097

I had learned all 2000 though heisig by the beginning of this year, it didn't take longer than 3 months, and now I can read pretty much anything that isn't too heavy in terms of specialized vocabulary, and I pick up new words here and there.
I still can't write for shit though.

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