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[Anonymous No.]

Clitoris.

[Anonymous No.]

Kerno

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Celsius

[Anonymous No.]

Hooray. Cirno you learned a new word.

[Anonymous No.]

Cirno.....who taught you that word?

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

puffy vulva.

[Anonymous No.]

What happens if Cirno gets wet. Does it freeze as well?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2591889

Reimu did taught me.

Also she showed where it is!

[Aoko Aozaki !WU0xSUGOI6 No.]

>>2591901

Icicle Fall

[Anonymous No.]

>>2591901
I'm more worried about what happens if Cirno and Letty attempt tribbing.

[BOOF !AWEsomEEEE!!g4pQz5RFuPl No.]

yup

[Anonymous No.]

>>2591904
Show us your clitoris, Cirno.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2591912

I don't remember where it was.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2591919

My God, that thing is huge! Put your panties back on before you put someone's eye out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2591919
baka baka

[Anonymous No.]

>>2591935

Suck my clit faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

Posting Cirno GETs in a Cirno thread

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>2591942
Is that what Reimu said before she showed you what that was?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2591942
I'll suck your clit any day.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2591963

I'll bring some warm water to pour over your tongue and lips once they freeze to her skin.

It's as enjoyable as getting your tongue stuck to a icy post.

[BOOF !AWEsomEEEE!!g4pQz5RFuPl No.]

i'd grind her over a cone

[Anonymous No.]

>>2591971
She can control her temperature.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592007

Care to cite a source on that? PMiSS doesn't mention anything of the sort...

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592056
my source is me

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592099
baka baka baka baka

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592056
>Can freeze small objects instantly, so she is a bit more dangerous than regular fairies.
>Can

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592105
Being technical with a translation is never a good idea.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592110

It doesn't matter, he more or less proved himself wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2591971
>>2592128
No, you're just an idiot.

She "can freeze objects." That means it is an action. If it were the case that "any object that contacts her is frozen," it would not be reported in the same way.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592140

Not quite. Let's read PMiSS again.

>The cold is discharged limitlessly, and the space around her is always chilly.

"Limitlessly" means there is no threshold to her freezing power, thereby negating any chance of her controlling her body temperature.
That she "can freeze small objects instantly" is indicative of how rapidly her powers work, not whether it is an action or not. Cirno is always cold and what she touches will freeze.
And if it is -always- chilly, as described, that means she can't warm herself up to suit humans.

Of course, you'll probably just reply with some more butthurt Ad-Hominem spite, but if you can grace me with a canonical source that states that Cirno can raise her internal bodily temperature and/or warm the space around her, I'll readily accept it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592164
Alternatively it means that she has no upper limit, or time limit, and can set the actual level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592164
so what's this PMiSS thing? Apparently my touhou powerlevel is lacking.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592178

Setting a level to her freezing power means that she can consciously limit it. "Limitlessly" confirms that she cannot or will not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592184
That's not really an accurate translation ... To nitpick, something like this would probably be better.

冷気はダダ漏れで付近はいつも寒い。
She's always giving off cold, so it's always chilly around her.

There's not really a "limitlessly" in there, and there's certainly nothing to imply that she can, say, flash-freeze something to absolute zero.

But yes, there's nothing canonical that says she can control her temperature either. As Anonymous said previously, though, being technical with a translation is generally not a great idea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592184
that doesn't necessarily preclude the possibility of her concentrating the cold somewhere in particular and thereby rendering other areas warmer than their default state.

[Anonymous No.]

This debate spawned from someone expressing the desire to lick Cirno's genitals.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592207
I'm not sure why perspective is needed here. Really, what gives? We're talking about Cirno.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592207
Well, he's pretty fucking stupid. It's like dumb and dumber all over again.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592207

If anyone wants to know why I'm so particular about this, it is because I was going to write a short Yuri-filled story regarding Cirno and myself. F/F, lactation, oral, that sort of thing.

After doing my research, I found that every canon source states the same thing - Cirno freezes what she touches instantly, and it is impossible for her to control it.

Further, if Cirno warms herself even a little, she will melt.
Even warm air is dangerous for her, as she will not even approach anyone holding a torch. She is literally a little girl made of ice.

So I realized that my cool story was ridiculous since there would be no way I could touch Cirno without instantly losing fingers, and scrapped it in favor of something else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592223
>Further, if Cirno warms herself even a little, she will melt.
Non-canon, bro. Bio says she keeps areas cool even in the heat of summer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592198
As I thought. I wasn't certain though, since I couldn't fathom what ダダ was supposed to be.

[Anonymous No.]

She's cold.

Not freeze-your-dick-off-zero-degrees-kelvin cold.

Just cold.

If you can lick a popsicle you can lick Cirno.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592226

Not the weather, but I'm talking about a directed energy source that emits warmth. For example, a space heater, or a lighter. Or a torch, as PMISS used.

>Bio says she keeps areas cool even in the heat of summer.

Which is my point. Cirno constantly radiates cold, and if she were to pause for even a moment she would most likely die.

So the idea of her regulating her internal temperature and the air around her is kind of ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592231
She's cold enough that she radiates it. That's pretty fucking cold.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592237

It is confirmed in PMISS that even so much as lightly touching Cirno will freeze your flesh instantly. Popsicles don't do that.

[Anonymous No.]

in conclusion, I would like to suggest the following:

There's nothing like a cold girl on a warm night.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592236
If she's able to keep areas cold in summer, I'd imagine she'd have no problem with other sources of heat, even if they're directed. Anyway, it's still fanon shit.

[Anonymous No.]

hey arc

why you gotta bring up facts all the time? is that all there is to you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592238
That point was already covered in the discussion of the word "can". The only rebuttal I noticed from you was a comment about the "limitlessness" of her cold, but that was debunked for relying too much on being literal with a loose translation (and which I would otherwise note is flawed anyways).

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

For those who say that Cirno is as cold as a popsicle:

>There is a risk of getting frostbite.

I can't remember ever eating a popsicle that gave me frostbite on my tongue and lips.
I don't know what popsicles you guys have been eating, but I certainly have yet to get frostbite from a mere popsicle.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592249

And still no-one has brought up a canonical source that establishes Cirno's ability to warm herself.
We now know without a doubt that Cirno is constantly cold, especially in the case of the Anon who brought up the fact that she is 'ALWAYS' could.

Think about that. Not 'SOMETIMES'. Not 'OCCASIONALLY'.

>She's always giving off cold, so it's always chilly around her.

The only conclusion here is that Cirno is constantly freezing cold. So far, not one person ITT has refuted this with canonical evidence.

[Rome !!EPVwTIz4j/f No.]

>>2592243
Yeah! There's always fanon, ad hoc bullshit, baseless suppositions and suspiciously absent 'forgotten sources' right?

Anyway, I always thought that the 'it always chilly around her' thing was by choice. Icicle fall? More like icicle fail

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592240

> I'd imagine she'd have no problem with other sources of heat, even if they're directed.

PMiSS specifically states that Cirno cannot stand sources of direct heat, such as torches, so that point is entirely invalid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592259
I was only saying your claim that she cannot help but freeze everything was bullshit. But if you want to talk about warming herself, perhaps you ought to instead supply evidence for your claim that she will "melt". If you want to stay strictly to canon, that's an absurd inference based on evidence merely of her aversion to heat sources.

[Anonymous No.]

Ability: Ability to manipulate cold.

Manipulate, meaning she can CONTROL cold.

She has control over it.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592274

>I was only saying your claim that she cannot help but freeze everything was bullshit

But you have done nothing to prove me wrong with canonical facts. If anything, you've lent credence to my point.
Ad-hominem arguments and strawmanning will not prove you right.
Show me a statement from the official Touhou source that Cirno can touch something and NOT freeze it, and I will agree with you.

>But if you want to talk about warming herself, perhaps you ought to instead supply evidence for your claim that she will "melt".

>She's weak against torches' fire and other hot things she can't touch.
>If you're holding a torch to start with she probably won't go near.


I see nothing that states she has an 'aversion' to fire. She is weak against fire.
Clearly, Cirno cannot tolerate being around sources of heat for long. Whether or not she melts is another story...perhaps she disintegrates or fades away near flame, I am not sure about that.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592284

Yes, she has complete control over COLD.

I see nothing that says she can control HEAT as well, which completely negates any theories that she can warm her body to suit others.

She can direct blasts of cold and ice and drop the temperature of areas. Nothing is said about her warming herself up as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592294
That's because previous posters already said it. And now another person has said it again. >>2592105 and >>2592284

>If you're holding a torch to start with she probably won't go near.
She tends not to approach heat sources. That is aversion, in the simplest terms.
That she is weak against such heat sources is obviously stated. I don't speculate beyond that, because it's pointless speculation and might make me say stupid stuff like "Cirno might melt, or maybe fade away".

[Anonymous No.]

stop arguing physics in touhou retards

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592321

And as I mentioned before, while she can control cold she certainly cannot control heat.

Cirno can make things colder, but it is impossible for her to make anything warmer.
No source stated here refutes this.

Arguing that she can regulate her internal temperature to suit humans implies that she can warm herself up. If you consider this for a while, you'll see how nonsensical it is for an ice fairy to be able to heat her body...when she has no power to make anything warmer, least of all herself.

[Anonymous No.]

eye have no idea what you're talking about

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592299
>theories that she can warm her body to suit others
I don't believe anything is actually said about her body temperature. Therefore, if you wanted to slide into the realm of baseless speculation, you could suppose that all the cold effects that she causes may be the result of her powers (e.g. freezing things around her). Her body temperature itself may only be somewhat cool because of a choice not to apply the power to herself.

[Rome !!EPVwTIz4j/f No.]

>>2592183
Perfect Memento in Strict Sense. The second official Touhou fanbook, with Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red being the first. Everything written on any of those is 100% canon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592341
>And as I mentioned before, while she can control cold she certainly cannot control heat.
>Cirno can make things colder, but it is impossible for her to make anything warmer.
...so what? Again you make replies about things I never mentioned, and which weren't even in our reply chain. You need to get better at discerning which Anon is which.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592299

so she could just freeze the cold duh

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592299
>>2592341

Cold is merely the absence of heat you faggot.
If she can control cold it means she can control heat to some degree.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592346

All this is very well and good, but irrelevant to my original point.

Cirno's body is cold. She is never warm.

So far, no one has disproved it. We know that she can control the cold temperatures by making things even colder.

[Mel !iKGMr61IHM!!VJXiIsRXUJN No.]

>>2591863 Clitoris.

Yes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592374
It's perfectly relevant. The fact that nothing is directly said about her body temperature means the statement you just made is unfounded (i.e. Cirno's body is cold. She is never warm).

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592381

PMiSS regards this as well.

>Since she can freeze things she touches instantly, refrain from touching her even if she is asleep.

So, if she is able to regulate her internal temperature, you should be able to touch her even while she's sleeping.

If she must consciously lower the temperature of her body to freeze something with her touch, then one should be able to touch her while she is in a neutral state(sleeping, for example).

[Lacuna !k4IsHiAtus No.]

I do believe the question here is whether Cirno's ability is one way or two way.

If she can only absorb heat, then Arc would be right. If she can both absorb and expel heat, then anon would be right.

Either way this argument is stupid.

Especially >>>2592299

>Yes, she has complete control over COLD.
>I see nothing that says she can control HEAT

This makes me giggle like a Japanese schoolgirl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592394
That was already covered in >>2592346, but I can reiterate. She can freeze things with her powers. The fact that someone is frozen upon contact with her therefore says nothing about her body tempetature, as the effect may merely be the result of her powers.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592412

Then regardless of her body temperature, whatever comes into contact with her will freeze.
Let me remind you that PMiSS explains that even while Cirno is sleeping, whatever touches her will freeze.

This suggests that her freezing ability is not an action, but a permanent state. She has other powers related to manipulating cold as well - flash-freezing things from a distance, cooling the air around her, and such. These are actions.

You may notice that I never once said that Cirno will immediately freeze everything nearby her. Cirno does not work that way.

[Mel !iKGMr61IHM!!VJXiIsRXUJN No.]

>>2592299

P.S.: Cold is just the absence of heat. When you turn off the lights in a room, you're not creating dark, just removing light.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592427

Regardless, nothing is said in canon about Cirno being able to warm something up.
She can remove heat, but in every canonical instance where she is mentioned, she cannot put it back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592426
>Then regardless of her body temperature, whatever comes into contact with her will freeze.
>Let me remind you that PMiSS explains that even while Cirno is sleeping, whatever touches her will freeze.
Oh, going back to that point? Unfortunately, you're wrong and it's already been covered.
>Since she can freeze things she touches instantly, refrain from touching her even if she is asleep.
>can
>There is a risk of getting frostbite.
Akyu's language clearly indicates that it is not a certainty or an inevitability. It suggests nothing about her automatically freezing anything that touches her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2591863
Have you learned any other new words, Cirno?

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592445

>Since she can freeze things she touches instantly, refrain from touching her even if she is asleep.
>There is a risk of....frostbite

My point exactly. Akyu doesn't say "You MAY be frostbitten" or "She MIGHT freeze things she touches."

Instead, Akyu says that Cirno CAN freeze things she touches, meaning that whatever she touches, freezes. She does not say that Cirno may or may not freeze something with a touch.
Also, Akyu states that there is a risk of frostbite, not a possibility of frostbite.

I see nothing that supplants my point, here. If anything, you're agreeing with me to disagree.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592445

Akyu also warns us not to touch her at all, even if she's unaware of her surroundings(i.e. sleeping), and cautions us that frostbite is the immediate result.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592458
>Instead, Akyu says that Cirno CAN freeze things she touches, meaning that whatever she touches, freezes.
Haha, no, that's just a reiteration of your previous statement except you put "whatever she touches, freezes" instead of "whatever she touches will freeze". But Akyu said "can". Learn the difference between "will" and "can". "Can" is an indication of ability/power, and Cirno's power to manipulate cold we have already discussed.

>Also, Akyu states that there is a risk of frostbite, not a possibility of frostbite.
Those are essentially synonymous. The risk of rainfall is means it might rain, or that it may possibly rain. This is you worst attempt yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592458
Just... give up. The only reason you're trying at this point is because you have a "name" to defend

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592463
>Akyu also warns us not to touch her at all, even if she's unaware of her surroundings(i.e. sleeping), and cautions us that frostbite is the immediate result.
>cautions us that frostbite is the immediate result.
Uh, no. I am aware of her warning, and her warning is precisely what I quoted in >>2592445
"There is a risk of getting frostbite." That is obviously not the same as "You DEFINITELY WILL IMMEDIATELY get frostbite".

You can't get away with making shit up or twisting the english when I'm looking directly at the page. At most you can take refuge in poor english "can"/"will" stunts, but that's not plausible or interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

She cannot control her power when she's sleeping.

That's why you MIGHT get a frostbite.

She cold be dreaming about freezing frogs or something.

[BOOF !AWEsomEEEE!!g4pQz5RFuPl No.]

this thread is awesome

signed, boof

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592474

Ah, but Akyu clues us in further. Let's read PMiSS again, for old time's sake.

>Refrain from touching her even if she is asleep.

Now, let's go over your point. Cirno can freeze anything she touches, and you claim that this is an ability, not a state.
You also claim that Cirno must manipulate the cold and/or use her powers to freeze something that she touches.
By your logic, it should be perfectly safe to touch her even while she's asleep, as nothing will happen to you. Doubly so because Cirno is completely unaware of her surroundings. You could put her in a bag and carry her off while she's asleep, and she'd never know.

And that is the exact opposite of what Akyu said.
She specifies that touching Cirno, even while she's asleep, is not something you should do. Specifically because, she can freeze whatever touches her.
Needless to say, your point is dangerously non-canon. Mine, not quite as much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592479
I thought he was trolling because he's bored and likes to argue?

Well, it was fun to indulge him for a while anyway, since I enjoy poking holes in arguments.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592486

Show me a canonical source that states this and I will heartily agree with you. No conjecture, please.

I'm trying to improve my knowledge of the Touhou universe, specifically because writers who don't know anything about the way things work in Touhou create poor, unbelievable stories.

Anon has raised some excellent points here, but I am afraid I cannot quite believe them unless there is a canon source that affirms and backs up their statements.

After all, if I were to go and write a story based on some Anon talking out of his ass, everybody would laugh at me and call me a gullible fool, and we can't have THAT, now can we?

I'd prefer to be laughed at over the atrocious spelling and crappy plot, at any rate.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't understand the overwhelming need to say that one idea is right over the other when both are perfectly valid and reasonable, not to mention that some of the TouhouWiki translations aren't too hot in the first place.

[Remilia Scarlet !NOUx2Remio No.]

Arc is a lot smarter than I would have ever given him credit for, this is kind of sad.

[BOOF !AWEsomEEEE!!g4pQz5RFuPl No.]

>>2592503
its the skirt

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592491
...no, that's not "cluing us in further". That's exactly the part which I quoted in >>2592445
and which preceded "There is a risk of getting frostbite" which we were already talking about.

>By your logic, it should be perfectly safe to touch her even while she's asleep, as nothing will happen to you. Doubly so because Cirno is completely unaware of her surroundings. You could put her in a bag and carry her off while she's asleep, and she'd never know.
Haha, no, your "logical extension" is speculation of your own devising. If you read back, I only cite canon because it pleases me to point out that your claims are not supported by canon, or are at most speculation based off canon. I believe you mentioned "straw mans" earlier? This is your own.

Well, at least that's more interesting than "can means will!"

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592501
Because everyone in /jp/ are asses, and Arc is a nonsensical douche.

In short, straying even slightly from canon, or disagreeing with an interpretation deserves an instant shitstorm, but everyone in /jp/ is completely willing to suspend their disbelief to fap to their favorite Touhous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592501
It's not about what's valid or reasonable. I just like pointing out that the things Arc pretends are canon are, in fact, speculation of his own. Like his claim that Cirno would melt.

[Anonymous No.]

I had sex with Cirno last night and she didn't freeze me.

Tripfag proven wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592522
>I just like pointing out that the things Arc pretends are canon are, in fact, speculation of his own. Like his claim that Cirno would melt.
I'm not sure why you take anything Arc says seriously in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592528
This.
Like the trolls, you're not supposed to feed tripfags

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592511

Your point? If you've quite finished I will remind you that in no way have you disproved Akyu's words.

>Akyu's language clearly indicates that it is not a certainty or an inevitability.
>It suggests nothing about her automatically freezing anything that touches her.

Really? Let's go over your quotation of PMiSS again.

>Refrain from touching her even if she is asleep.

Akyu's warning you not to touch her even if she is asleep is the suggestion that she will automatically freeze what touches her. Of course, I said this many posts back, and will continue to say it.

Can you quote for me a canonical source that specifically states that you can safely touch her without being frozen or frostbitten?
Again, I urge you not to rely on conjecture and opinion. This is 4chan, not FanFiction.net.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592501
>aren't too hot

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592523

Good thing you're not a canonical source, or I might have actually believed you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592528
I'm not taking it seriously. I think he's trolling, but I enjoy working through his claims and picking them apart. Don't want the brain to get rusty, and all that.

[Anonymous No.]

Let's not forget too that these are translations, and meaning is always lost when translating. Meanings like "can" and "will" are things that can be easily lost in translation between Japanese and English

tl;dr you cant necessarily trust the touhou wiki

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592491
You've never moved around whilst you're asleep? Or wet the bed? Or came? Mumbled? Farted?

It's not like you just lie unmoving, unacting whilst you're asleep. Cirno's ability to freeze shit might just go off randomly whilst she's asleep. Especially if you shock her by touching her.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592555

Your post contains no canonical source, and is therefore irrelevant. Thanks for playing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592534
You've gone back to the "can"/"will" and "risk" issue? That's boring, Arc, your position already collapsed there.

[Lacuna !k4IsHiAtus No.]

Perfect freeze sends out multitudes of bullets, and after a specific amount of time, freezes them all. They then unfreeze and begin moving around.

Perfect freeze is canon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592553
Nah, no worries there. The quotation is "触れた物を瞬間で凍らせる事が出来るので、たとえ寝ていても触らな&
quot;, and the operative part "出来る"--dekiru--fits with the translation "can".

[Anonymous No.]

"What-ifs" in the Touhouverse are only entertaining and enjoyable when the people participating aren't complete dicks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592572
Whoops, part of the quotation got chopped off. Well, whatever, at least the relevant part is there.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592562

So disprove that post. I make no mention of "can/will" and "risk."

You asked me to provide where Akyu suggests that Cirno instantly freezes whatever she touches, and that is precisely what I have done there.

Now it's up to you to refute that with some canonical evidence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592559
Really, now. Your argument is currently predicated on Akyu's warning against touching her whilst she is asleep. Your argument is that the ability must be entirely automatic because (and solely because) it activates whilst she is asleep. Sleep does not preclude (nondeterministic) unconscious action, ergo your argument is invalid.

Thank you for playing.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592582

Now, can you back that all up with some canonical statements, or are you going to continue making things up to suit your needs? Then I'll be really impressed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592578
No I didn't. I requested that you cite a place where it states that she WILL freeze anything the touches. However, it never does. At most you can claim that it is implied, but then you must admit that you are merely speculating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592578
>>You asked me to provide where Akyu suggests that Cirno instantly freezes whatever she touches, and that is precisely what I have done there.
Actually, you didn't, and we've torn down that argument more than once. You don't seem to want to accept that you've lost there. Better find some other canon for "evidence"

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592589
He was pointing out the weakness of one of your lines of inference. He doesn't need to cite canon to point out that your logic is bad and the claim you desired didn't follow.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592590

However, Akyu says nothing to support your claim that her ability to freeze things with a touch isn't automatic.
You have yet to prove it beyond a shade of doubt with some canonical evidence.
So far, all you have done is quibble slightly over grammar, use ad-hominem arguments, make conjecture and commentary on Akyu's authenticity, and insist that Akyu may have meant something other than what she wrote.

My point is simple. Akyu insists that we not touch Cirno under any circumstances, warning us that she can freeze whatever touches her, and that there is a risk of frostbite.
I claim that it is perilous to attempt touching Cirno due to her latent power.
I do not believe that she instantly flash-freezes anything that comes within range of her. I believe that she must actively use her powers to chill the air, or to freeze an object from afar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592592
Yeah, it's getting a bit dull. It's just been "CAN means WILL", "'She can freeze things. Refrain from touching her even if she's sleeping. There is a risk of getting frostbite.' Means you WILL freeze if you touch her. Always."

The straw man in >>2592491 where he tried to pretend I was doing something other than debunking him was amusing. I'm bored, I guess I'll catch some sleep.

[Anonymous No.]

You guys are trying to play cowboys and indians with the faggot that always says he dodged the arrow. I'm not sure why you guys are still pushing, he can just easily play stupid and hold a position that relies on the fact that we'll never be able to 100% prove that ZUN means she has complete control over her body temperature, unless we ask him directly. It's already been shown that PMiSS isn't 100% reliable and open to interpretation, so it's easy to just take a role of a faggot stating a position where not enough information exist to make a proper refutation. Even bringing up the games, he could just play stupid and make statements that are wildly unlikely, but we can't directly prove, like making some silly thing up about danmaku being entirely different from her normal abilities, so the "prefect freeze" is merely just a representation of a controlled ice freeze with energy bullets or something like that. Everything already states that Cirno can manipulate it, but you won't be able to pin down Arc completely, because there's too much room to move around in Touhou. Enjoy your bullshit cat-and-mouse game. I'm fairly certain that Arc himself knows this and is just yanking on your balls because he can.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592589
I'm looking at your argument and pointing out a untrue assumption in your induction.

Unless you want to claim that fairies are humanlike enough that they sleep, but not enough like a human that sleep means something completely different. Which is heavily non-canonical.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592618
>your claim that her ability to freeze things with a touch isn't automatic
Denying your claim that she automatically freezes stuff is not equivalent to CLAIMING that she does not automatically freeze stuff.

It's the difference between, "You don't have evidence for x" and "She does not x".

[Anonymous No.]

Arcueid is getting heavily told in this thread, which is good but...

Can't you fags take it elsewhere? You're shitting up an already-shitty board

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592639
Yeah, sorry about that, bro.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592624
>>2592630
>>2592633

All of these conclusions are heavily irrelevant from my original point.

Akyu's writing in PMiSS gives me ground to believe that Cirno's ability to freeze whatever she touches is factual.

So far, no one has given evidence in the canonical Touhou works disproving this.
The opposing argument is full of conjecture, fallacies, fanwankery, and other things that people randomly made up on the fly. There is not one soluble source that has made it clear, without a doubt, that Cirno DOES NOT automatically freeze whatever she touches.

Perhaps she doesn't freeze everything 2% of the time. Perhaps she's actually Mokou in disguise. Perhaps she's not a fairy, but a lesbian asian schoolgirl with clip-on wings.
You can make up a thousand reasons, but none of them are canon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>So far, no one has given evidence in the canonical Touhou works disproving this.
The opposing argument is full of conjecture, fallacies, fanwankery, and other things that people randomly made up on the fly. There is not one soluble source that has made it clear, without a doubt, that Cirno DOES NOT automatically freeze whatever she touches.
Strawmen and ad-hominem

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds, does it Arcueid?
>Akyu's writing in PMiSS gives me ground to believe that Cirno's ability to freeze whatever she touches is factual.
Actually, what you said was
>That she "can freeze small objects instantly" is indicative of how rapidly her powers work, not whether it is an action or not. Cirno is always cold and what she touches will freeze.

[Anonymous No.]

This tripfriend makes even me seem smart!

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592627


Actually, it's not even that, and I'm honest to God not trolling in this thread.

I am trying to gain information about Cirno, but so far all I'm getting is

>"LOLOL CAN DOESN'T MEAN WILL I R SMRT U DUM TRIPFAG PWNED"

when I would really like some canonical proof that Cirno can stop herself from freezing some mortal being that touches her.

I am aware that this doesn't apply to every citizen of Gensokyo. Other ice fairies wouldn't freeze, Letty wouldn't freeze...of COURSE she doesn't freeze EVERYTHING she touches, that's ridiculous to imagine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592670
There's no canonical information either way and you're an idiot to believe otherwise. It just so happens that you refuse to acknowledge the non-canonical assumptions you're making. You do like to make a big show of how we're apparently relying on non-canonical information. I have no idea how you came to that conclusion when at least one person has just been pointing out a false assumption of yours. Unless you wish to declare logic itself non-canonical (which would be appropriate, I admit).

We've spent the past however long trying, in vain, to point this out to you. If you wish to continue to be blind to your own failings, then so be it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592670
>>There is not one soluble source that has made it clear, without a doubt, that Cirno DOES NOT automatically freeze whatever she touches.
There also isn't a source that says that, without a doubt, she WILL automatically freeze whatever she touches (or whatever touches her)
There's also no solid evidence that she would die if she stopped freezing everything around her, as you said in >>2592236

tl;dr you're full of shit (as usual)

[Anonymous No.]

OP posts a picture of Cirno with just the word "Clitoris."
The thread ends up with over 100 replies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592712

And a tl;dr argument over weather or not Cirno's vaginal juices freeze when she gets wet.

[Anonymous No.]

Holy shit who gives a fuck

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592701

Because while we're delving into off-topic land we might as well make a good sport out of it.

I am aware of my baseless throwing around of ideas and simple conjecture, (i.e. bullshit, such as Cirno melting) in that regard.
From this post: >>2592140 we completely abandoned the realm of logic and sense, and it devolved into one Anon thinking that pointing out grammatical fallacies was a surefire tactic, along with making things up.
While he is babbling about CAN and WILL, I'm patiently waiting for someone more intelligent to come in and quote something from the Touhou Canon that defines whether or not Cirno automatically freezes whatever she touches.

Akyu suggests to us that at the very least, touching Cirno is an ill-advised move. She also heavily implies that anything touching Cirno will freeze. However, I'm continuing to reply to Mr. Can-And-Will in the hopes that the thread will stay bumped.

> Unless you wish to declare logic itself non-canonical (which would be appropriate, I admit)

I already realize this. I've got the chessboard out and you're playing Whac-A-Mole by attempting to apply 'Logic' to a place that is literally called 'Fantasy Village'.

[Anonymous No.]

USE CHESSBOARD THINKING
DEVIL'S PROOF
HEMPEL'S RAVEN
OH YEAH

[Anonymous No.]

eye'm the wettest

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592746
Magic ergo unlogic is a wonderful fallacy. Please remember what logic is - the induction from assumptions through a series of steps to achieve an end.

Can you provide canonical information that Touhou includes such things where B is A when B is defined explicitly as not-A? If so, then we can wrap up this entire argument and do something productive.

[Anonymous No.]

Awesome thread, will read again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>While he is babbling about CAN and WILL, I'm patiently waiting for someone more intelligent to come in and quote something from the Touhou Canon that defines whether or not Cirno automatically freezes whatever she touches.
Except the difference between "can" and "will" as is reported in the very canonical piece of evidence you're twisting to suit your argument is pivotal here. Cirno CAN freeze things that touch her, nobody is arguing that, but whether or not she WILL is not a sure thing.

>>She also heavily implies that anything touching Cirno will freeze
That's speculation on your end. Sorry, try again.

>>I already realize this. I've got the chessboard out and you're playing Whac-A-Mole by attempting to apply 'Logic' to a place that is literally called 'Fantasy Village'.
So logic only matters when we're arguing against you, right? Try again.

Sorry, this isn't a matter of "grammar" and it never was, it was always an argument of the difference between a deterministic "will" and a non-deterministic "can"

[Anonymous No.]

Cirno actually doesn't control cold or make ice by herself. She's actually a half-fairy, half-phantom. Her fairy half has a pretty shitty ability of being able to manipulate lakewater in a very small sense, like being able to carry a small amount through the air. However, when she merged with her phantom half, the phantom's low temperature unintentionally freezes the water she carries with herself. It's the main reason she seems so stupid with her abilities; not even she understands why the water is freezing around her. She believes herself to have gained ice powers, so she went to Eirin's to get a replacement of her natural wings for some neat plastic/glass ones.

You cannot prove canonically that there's any other option, so as it stands, this is true.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592784

Except that this isn't an argument. We're just tossing bullshit ideas around. Making up stuff and attempting to make it stand in the Touhou universe. Brainstorming, even.
This thread will make some excellent fodder for my later Touhou fan-fictions.

Speaking of which, do you want to know why I said that Cirno can 'melt'? It's just because ZUN's official profile describes her as a youkai made of ice, and as a girl of snow. Of course, that's just an assumption on my part...

[Anonymous No.]

So guys would you fuck Cirno because I totally would

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592813
>Except that this isn't an argument. We're just tossing bullshit ideas around. Making up stuff and attempting to make it stand in the Touhou universe. Brainstorming, even.
This thread will make some excellent fodder for my later Touhou fan-fictions.
Oh my fuck, I can't believe how much of a faggot you act like. Why can't he be banned? Honestly?

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592806

Except that ZUN officially designated her as a full-blown Fairy. The strongest fairy, even.

Cool story, though. You should annotate it and expand on it in the next OC thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592823
Man I love them Touhou fanfictions they make me so hard
Remember when /jp/ was flooded with them
Ohhhh yeahhhh

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592817

I was going to write a story about exactly that, but then I realized that it was a physical impossibility.
She'd just freeze my breasts right off.

Of course, now that I've tested the waters and seen that Anon isn't against the idea of a Cirno who doesn't freeze what she touches, I may revisit it at some time.

[Anonymous No.]

You are fighting a lost ward Arcueid, all things about Cirno are just speculation from her vague profile. There's no such written information about Cirno melting like an ice, there aren't any official books stating that Cirno can't control the temperature around her. The only thing mentioned is her surrounding is always cold and that came from Akyuu which exaggerates things to stupidness.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592844
Who cares if it's a physical impossibility that's the point of fan fiction besides Cirno isn't even real lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>Of course, now that I've tested the waters and seen that Anon isn't against the idea of a Cirno who doesn't freeze what she touches

Actually, you were the only one here that actually thought she would freeze whatever touches her.
>testing the waters
Euphemism for "arguing and failing horribly so i'll change my view to save face"

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592825
In her EoSD profile, it's not even mentioned she's a fairy. In PCB, it's only mentioned that she's a youkai. in PoFV, it's stated she's a fairy, but ZUN's simply not mentioning her phantom part. He say's she's a fairy because she is, but because he does not mention that she's a phantom does not mean she isn't one either. Bohemian Archive and PMiSS can't be used as sources since those are from the point of view of others. At a glance, she would most definitely seem like she's actually manipulating ice and cold. You can't prove I'm wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592866
And that's the Devil's Proof!

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592856

Perhaps it is my weakness, but I enjoy grounding my fanfiction in some threads of canon.

For example, I wouldn't write Yukari to be a silly, giggly little girl who acts like she ate too much candy.*
I would stick to ZUN's vision of a noble youkai filled with poise and grace.

It's the same thing here. I'm trying to get a feel for what Cirno should be, as opposed to just running off half-cocked and writing her to be something entirely different than what ZUN stated.
*Of course, I know that Loli Yukarin DOES behave like a giggly little girl, but that's beside the point.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592866

I can, but your refusal to accept ZUN's vision would make it a futile attempt.

Besides, I think your ideas are fresh and exciting, as opposed to the stale viewpoints we've gotten so far.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592886
Man you are tight-assed about something so unimportant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592909
>>I can, but your refusal to accept ZUN's vision would make it a futile attempt.
>>presumes to be the one that knows just what ZUN's vision is

laughingelfman.gif

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592914

I'm tight-assed about it because when your readers don't believe in your characters, they stop reading your story, and that is that.

[Anonymous No.]

Fandom makes Cirno 10 times dumber than she really is.

Cirno is a bit slow but that's because she's a child. She's not some idiot that can't even talk correctly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592914
I'm pretty sure he's just being a dickweed. Is there some sort of petition where we can get him banned?

>>2592909
>I can, but your refusal to accept ZUN's vision would make it a futile attempt.
And we have, but your refusal to accept ZUN's vision has made it a futile attempt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592817

I'd do it in a hot tub with her.

[Anonymous No.]

....
the fuck is going on in here...

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592922
More like because she's a fairy. And there hasn't been really any doujinshi bringing her to a level of stupidity where she couldn't speak right, unless you're talking about the failure of a translation that was "Atai/Eye".

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592922

I've held onto this for quite a while. From my viewpoint, Cirno is childish and hasn't quite grown up yet. She isn't stupid.

Besides, how can you compare a little fairy to all of the highly intelligent, intellectually inclined members of the Fantasy Village, such as as Patchouli, and then call her dumb? It's rather unfair.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592921
Most people will probably not give a shit all they want to do is fap to Cirno goddamn

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592866

Fairies are Youkai as well, Youkai (demons, ogres, vampires, ghost, spectre, etc.) is a term for "Supernatural" beings (negative alignment)
While Yousei (fairies, elves, sprites, etc.) are supernatural beings, they are in the positive alignment.

Cirno is a fairy by term, a supernatural creature, she *can* manipulate coldness and make things around her cold.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592958
Phantoms are youkai as well.

Actually, I'm not sure what you're refuting.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2592948

Perhaps if I were a doujinshi artist I would be afforded such luxuries.

People view fanfiction under a precision microscope.
Any minor errors or fallacies will result in you losing your readers.

When I read PMiSS over again and found out that Cirno freezes what she touches, I tore up my original manuscript regarding Cirno and myself with deep regret, realizing that her touch on my skin would result in severe frostbite.
And I did not want to incense anyone by negating her powers, it would have reeked of Mary-Sueishness and such.

[Anonymous No.]

How the fuck did this thread get so many replies?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592973
Arguments full of holes and red herrings will inevitably result in alot of replies

If nothing else, it was at least mentally stimulating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592958
I got caught, phantoms aren't youkai by Reimu's definition. But that's just Reimu's definition, so it might not be literal. Or it just might be like what you said, she's distinguishing phantoms as yousei.

Actually, I'm not sure what you're refuting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592984
Are you joking? That was "mentally stimulating"?

All that was was a group of people trying to convince a stubborn child that he's being stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592989

Here's an idea for you

SATAN is an Angel ==> A Fallen Angel
CIRNO is a Yousei ==> A WTF Yousei

Compute?

Actually, I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2592970
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>2593002
It's just an anon trying to be just as pseudointellectual as Arc. This topic is full of baselessness, intolerance, and fucktarded. I hate my life.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2593002


I'd hardly say it was useless. I was agonizing over whether or not I could safely talk about people touching Cirno when writing fiction, and now I have my answer.
My heart is much lighter for having been relieved of such a cumbersome burden.

Knowing this, I can get to writing with complete confidence that people won't lose their cool over the idea of Arc touching Cirno without being frozen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2593022

One more thing, she's not a "fairy made of ice", she's an Ice Fairy, not Iced Fairy. The thing you read is wrong or you probably misread the thing or probably you just read a wrong translation.

[Anonymous No.]

hey arcueid you wanna go play halo or somethin

[Anonymous No.]

>>2593011
I'm not doubting her ability to make cold. It's pretty clearly stated that fairies are facets of nature, and it's reasonable to think that considering the abilities of other fairies that reach out to "natural" things such as light and sound, she should be able to manipulate cold as well.

>>2593022
Please, just shut the fuck up. I can't believe this, and how you play off all of it in that condescending cool manner. You honestly remind me of some faggot I knew back in elementary school.

I hate the internet so much.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2593037

Okay, I'll just disregard everything ZUN says, then, and chalk it up to a mistranslation. Occam's Razor, right? Simplest answer is the best.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2593049
Enjoy falling for a 100+ reply troll argument.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2593049

[Anonymous No.]

>>2593022
>lose their cool

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2593049

>I hate the internet so much.

If you can't take the heat, you might as well get out of the kitchen! Funny, really, that we should talk of heat in a thread about ice fairies, though.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2593061

HAHAHA

I was wondering if anyone would pick up on that clever little tidbit I snuck in there.

You, sir, won yourself an INTERNET.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2593059
I don't know anymore. I feel broken. I need to lock myself up for 5 years, and just learn to make Touhou doujinshi in that time or something. I love Touhou, but the 98% of shitty topics and posts regarding it make it painful to even search for that good 2%. I think I'll just pick up Umineko or something. They look like they have fun speculating and all that, without all the bullshit, without all the trolling, and without all the stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

man touhou is some serious business

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2593097

SERIOUS FUCKING BUSINESS.

Lives are lost here, people. Accidents. Deaths from penis/vulva freezing. A child's future is changed forever.

[Koakuma !!QTSq2xniWw5 No.]

When are you going to start writing that fanfiction, Arcueid?

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2593113

I'll get back to work on it very shortly. I destroyed the original manuscript, so I'll have to start all over again.

My premise was that Cirno found me walking around nearby the lake of Fog and wanted to play.
Naturally, I went along with the little ice fairy and took this opportunity to engage her in a little conversation, find out what she does and why she hangs out around the lake so much.

Cirno, however, is more interested in seeing if the blonde vampire lady has milk to give, much like Keine. She doesn't get to drink milk much, after all.
She sticks her hands up my shirt, and F/F lactation play/tribadism/oral ensues. I spent a while trying to imagine what Cirno's tight, underaged Ice Fairy vulva tasted like. It kept me awake for two nights.

It was a relatively short story, much like the other story I wrote about Cirno trying to do what Letty does.
Of course, now that I'm re-writing it I'll probably re-do the plot entirely.

[Anonymous No.]

>attention whoring
>self-insertions
>pretending to be a girl

[Koakuma !!QTSq2xniWw5 No.]

>I'll probably re-do the plot entirely.

Damn. Well, I believe your rewrite will be even better. I'm really looking forward to reading it.

[Anonymous No.]

Before this thread disappears, I'd just like to point out that pmiss is written from akyu's perspective, not zun's. Take it with a pound of salt.

[Anonymous No.]

Arc, make more OC threads because I haven't seen one in a while also learn how to just say 'fuck it' and ditch an argument rather than spending time battling with people who acknowledge that they are arguing with you just to argue with you.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>2593179

I'm not so sure about that, to be honest. I may ruminate a little, try some different angles and rewrites, but the skeleton of the story will mostly be the same and include elements such as Cirno equating breasts with fresh milk. So don't expect some grand plot, or dramatic reversals and philosophy.
I envisioned it as sort of an old World fairy tale, but with an erotic twist. Those stories were pretty out there, especially the non-Bowdlerized versions.

>>2593249

>Arc, make more OC threads because I haven't seen one in a while also learn how to just say 'fuck it' and ditch an argument rather than spending time battling with people who acknowledge that they are arguing with you just to argue with you.

Wise words indeed, and ones I shall bide.
Also, didn't someone else make OC threads for a bit? I guess they shrugged off that mantle of responsibility. I'll be sure to have one up for all.