/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[trollmachine No.]

What's the deal with the anti-fanfic sentiment here? Are not doujins just fanfics with pictures? I bet someone can pass off an original English Touhou doujin by just labeling it a translation and you would save it to your Touhou doujins folder. The main critique against fan-fiction is that they're badly written. But this is just disingenuous when most Visual Novels are just as badly written.

Would you read Japanese fan-fiction? Most certainly you unwittingly already have.

[Anonymous No.]

wat

[Anonymous No.]

>trollmachine

[Anonymous No.]

>Do not post the following outside of /b/: Trolls, flames, racism, off-topic replies, etc.
>trolls

[Anonymous No.]

I don't have anything against fiction, if I like the author's writing, I'll read it.

I also like skimming over fanfiction.net because after a point bad fanfiction becomes funny.

[Anonymous No.]

I agree completely.

[Anonymous No.]

watashi wa egree.

[trollmachine No.]

>>2563253
If I called myself 'truthmachine', everything I said would have been seen as a lie.

[Anonymous No.]

>trollmachine
go back to iichan

[None !WEEABooXS6 No.]

I only like diaper fics.

[Anonymous No.]

It's easier to evaluate a doujin on its art alone.
No western doujin until now has achieved a proper level, neither in art or writing.
But I still look for it. And when I find it, I'll save it with the rest of my doujins.

[trollmachine No.]

Translation is interpretation. So, in reality, you aren't reading what Nasu or whoever wrote. You're reading a Westerner's interpretation of a something that needs to be lived (that is, their language).

[trollmachine No.]

>>2563275
>No western doujin until now has achieved a proper level, neither in art or writing.
All art is easy to imitate, and the writing isn't as good as you think it is.

[Koakuma !!QTSq2xniWw5 No.]

I read fanfiction occasionally, I have nothing against it.

[Anonymous No.]

OP is right, I was thinking about this yesterday while lying in my bed. Turns out /jp/ is a bunch of hypocrites who see everything from Japan as flawless, godly material while looking down on everything else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2563283
And even with this eased conditions, we get shit like Another Dream.
Let's see them really try, and not just go "meh, it's good enough for being western"

[Aoko Aozaki !WU0xSUGOI6 No.]

Hmm yes lets talk about the fandom

[Anonymous of Austria No.]

>>2563275
Because whenever you see a good western artist doing a touhou doujin, you think they are Japanese.

[trollmachine No.]

Well, my point is, everything is the fiction of some Western fan, if you don't understand Japanese. And even if you do understand it, the writing itself isn't as good as your average fan-fiction.

So, fan-fiction is inescapable; especially in Touhou, where nearly everything is fanon and few things are canon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2563287
We're not a single entity. Some of us do that, others just enjoy anything that's good.
Don't judge us for the faults of the hivemind. Think for yourself.
We still like KS, don't we? Only reason it gets a backlash is because people can't restrain and keep it in a single thread.

OP and you are idiots.

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe you should ask yourself... would your favorite doujin still be liked if they were posted in fanfiction.net?

[trollmachine No.]

>>2563288
You can't imagine all the Another Dream quality stuff in Japan. Just take a look at Pixiv.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2563297
As if I didn't know. But there are great stuff among it all, which makes the low level art be ignored, not be held as the last coke in the desert.

I'm through with this. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2563297
Ugh, don't remind me. I follow links from danbooru to pixiv to get straight to the interesting artists. I'm too lazy to wade through all the rubbish.

[trollmachine No.]

>>2563293
Problem is, nobody here thinks for himself.

What's the matter, don't like it when I call your doujins fan-fiction?

[trollmachine No.]

>>2563301
Another Dream is hailed as great work among Western Touhou fans. Is that what you're saying?

[Anonymous No.]

No, I wouldn't. Because I don't understand japanese. And if I could, I probably wouldn't. Because most of it would probably be shit.

[trollmachine No.]

>>2563295
No, they wouldn't. That's the point I was making in the original post.

[Anonymous No.]

the problem is that people were just spamming /a/ with fanfics. Multiple threads with walls of text.

moot just said "no thx" and banned

[Anonymous No.]

The worst visual novel is still better than the worst fanfic. The best visual novel is still better than the best fanfic. Also, it is far easier to create good fanart than it is to create a quality re-writing of a story. All fanart requires is being able to draw well. Good writing requires creativity, and by writing fanfiction you are showing that you lack creativity.

[Anonymous No.]

I would rather read an English translation of SSiB than read a Japanese translation of Another Dream.

[trollmachine No.]

>>2563319
Unfortunately, the Japanese aren't in the business of being creative. These are lousy stories that would end up in bargain bins if they were sold as books. They're beneath being called literature. The Japanese being the skilled businessmen they are figured that they couldn't get anime fans to read picture-less books, so they put pictures and music in them, turning them from books into easily-consumed visual entertainment that is lesser than anime in the hierarchy of Oriental kitch.

[trollmachine No.]

>>2563325
One is official Touhou material written by ZUN and drawn by a popular artist, and the other is an unofficial fanwork with mediocre art by unknown artists. You can't really compare the two. A better way to make your point would be to say, "I would rather read an English translation of Chado's work than a Japanese translation of Another Dream," which is natural since Chado's work is well-drawn and the stories are dramatic and realistic within the world of Touhou, while Another Dream is an unfunny disaster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2563330
Touché.

[trollmachine No.]

>>2563318
But moot is a jerk, so yeah

[trollmachine No.]

>>2563330
But I bought the Higurashi novels at a Japanese bookstore, where they were properly shelved with the rest of the novels.

>>2563335
So I guess the point here is yes, I would read Japanese doujins if the art is good and the writing is passable. Big whoop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2563245
source of that .gif?

[trollmachine No.]

>>2563345
Thanks.

[Harblong Cassidy !KzfKdB2Xmc No.]

>>2563350
>>2563345

[Anonymous No.]

>>2563350
the real trollmachine? i studied your work on iichan /a/, that was some groundbreaking stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2563245

>Are not doujins just fanfics with pictures?

We're just playing French Cricket.

French cricket? Is French kissing not kissing with tongues?

Yeah..but..

Then is French cricket not cricket with tongues?

No!

And your tiny, innocent daughter

What about her..?

Did you not induce your friend Mr Whippy to offer her a 69

It's a 99!

A 99?! Like a 69 but 30 worse! By the powers invested in me by the discredited research of Professor Ray Meadows I find you guilty of paedophilia

[trollmachine No.]

>>2563362
No, I'm 4chan's trollmachine. I had no idea someone else used this name on some shitty faggot board.

[rollmachinet No.]

Here, let me change my name to make myself more unique.

[Anonymous No.]

Fanfiction written by nonjapanese people who completely rape the beloved original with terrible crossovers, self-inserts, mary-sues, unreasonably gruesome grammar and/or spelling is - in general - called "fan fiction" and disliked for all it's "qualities".

[rollmachinet No.]

>>2563535
Nobody was arguing against calling them fanfiction, brostein

[Anonymous No.]

>>2563245

Fanfiction by authors other than Squirrelking (FULL LIFE CONSEQUENCES), Peter Chimaera (Repercussions of Evil), and Issei Mataloun (Hellstorm Evangelion) sucks. Moot agreed, don't bother him about it.