I used to think I could eventually find a real girl just as perfect as a 2d girl. It was my lifelong aspiration. Is it time to give up this dream?

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Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 04:55:55 No.2549902 [Reply] [Original]

I used to think I could eventually find a real girl just as perfect as a 2d girl. It was my lifelong aspiration.

Is it time to give up this dream?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 04:57:55 No.2549906 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 04:57:55 No.2549908 yes

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 04:57:55 No.2549910 Any time is a good time to give up on your dreams.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 05:00:55 No.2549911 File: 288 KB, 1044x669, 193.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Yeah anon, it was a foolish endeavor. 2D is really all you need.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 05:02:55 No.2549913 Trying to find a girl like that would be like me trying to find a super fast blue hedgehog somewhere, or the Deathnote. They look perfect for a reason, they're fake.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 05:02:55 No.2549916 yes, you should give up.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 05:10:55 No.2549939 No 3D girl could ever be as perfect as a 2D girl. Thankfully for you a 2D girl will forgive your disloyal behavior.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 05:11:55 No.2549940 Real girls like that don't exist, simply because having a vagina makes the 3D thing irritable and mean.

>>	Remilia Scarlet !!0l42/w//XuF Thu, May 7, 2009 05:14:55 No.2549950 File: 92 KB, 986x755, 793c9ba7ec0832548e16b98be8be4e23.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] You can find 3D asses that are as good as 2D.

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 05:15:55 No.2549957

I don't have any delusions of finding a girl that quite lives up to 2D, but I'm sure I'll be able to find one that comes close enough for me to accept. I actually did once, but of course I messed up.

You shouldn't "settle" for a girl, but hopefully your expectations aren't so unrealistic that you have no chance of having them fulfilled. If they are you should keep walking your only path with no regrets.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 05:15:55 No.2549958 Yes. You should not have had it in the first place.

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 05:21:55 No.2549990
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inb4 enjoy your hand or similar, I don't really care, but...

I believe I have found such a girl. Well, not really. But I have found a girl who I've been so in love with for the past 10 months and who has given me so much happiness, that concepts such as "2D gurl hurrr durrr" become meaningless anyway.

Whether it's feigned or not, I'm tired of this stupid virgin complex /jp/ has. I'm not especially attractive (hell I'm fairly ugly), I wouldn't say I'm that interesting, and I don't particularly have a lot of money... but it's happened for me. I was probably in a worse state than a lot of you, and it's happened. And when you've held a girl and had it feel like the whole world is in your arms, none of this really matters anymore. It's silly.

>>	ZUN !barYV1VtIA Thu, May 7, 2009 05:23:55 No.2549998 >>2549950 I don't believe it!

>>	Remilia Scarlet !!0l42/w//XuF Thu, May 7, 2009 05:26:55 No.2550002 File: 208 KB, 939x732, SpankDatAss.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2549998

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 06:11:55 No.2550136 >I could eventually find a real girl just as perfect as a 2d girl. It was my lifelong aspiration ENJOY YOUR ETERNAL PAIN

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 06:13:55 No.2550141 >>2549990 oh well have fun with that i guess. also leave /jp/ and never come back.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 06:19:55 No.2550152 >>2549990 livin the dream, brother livin the dream

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 06:28:55 No.2550178

>>2549990
I have stopped believing in love really being so meaningful. The whole business of everyone, no matter how ugly and uninteresting, being able to meet someone who can fulfill them has gotten to the same level as religious promises to me. Sure, it'd be nice if these otherworldly things I've never experienced were possible, but since I've never experienced them, I would likely be setting myself up for disappointment if I believe in them.

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 06:58:55 No.2550243
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>>2550178

I thought exactly like you before things happened with her. I also liked to think that people in relationships were "weak" since they apparently needed someone else to keep them happy...

Proptip; when you actually find someone who keeps you happy you'll realise all that sort of thinking is just self-deluding bullshit designed to justify your loneliness.

Nanomachine !!sYW5JNY2dJX Thu, May 7, 2009 07:06:55 No.2550264

>>2550178

See, the problem with your mindset is that you think the world is at fault.

The real problem is that you are emotionally stunted, and that anything short of exactly what you imagined (aka, your obsession of the month, since you change waifu as soon as that new anime comes out) does not satisfy you.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 08:25:55 No.2550426 >>2550243 >>2549990 Get the fuck away from my goddamn board!

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 08:28:55 No.2550436 File: 246 KB, 600x480, 2687441.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] forget about the 3D world, and embrace the 2D

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 08:30:55 No.2550438 File: 63 KB, 839x637, out370.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] You need to realize that you have to hold the 2d and 3d worlds to entirely different standards. orz

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 08:34:55 No.2550451 >>2549990 Just curious, but is this your first time with a girl? Puppy love only lasts so long.

>>	None !Mystia3.V2 Thu, May 7, 2009 08:40:55 No.2550470 >>2550451 Is 4 years a short time?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 08:43:55 No.2550481 >>2550470 No, but you're lying so yeah.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 08:43:55 No.2550485 After all the fibers of hope have been severed, the opponent gives up everything and declares GG. I will be standing on the stage for the game until the day I declare GG to myself.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 08:43:55 No.2550486 I love perfection perfect women don't exist love doesn't exist.

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 08:44:55 No.2550491

>>2550243
Not lonely. As matter of fact, having people around me is bothersome and gets me tired.

>>2550264
I'm sactisfied with my waifu so I'll pass your offer. Been like that for the last 6 years, feels good.

I don't think that people on relationships are weak, but they delude themselves a lot by getting into relationships with people that they don't really love. It changes with person, though.
However, I found the true love on the 2D world, something I never felt towards any other human being before.
tl dr; I have no regrets, that is the only path.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 08:46:55 No.2550497 I'm just looking for someone smart and fairly cute, and haven't even been able to find that. I mean shit, it's hard even for people who don't like 2D and we make it worse.

>>	None !Mystia3.V2 Thu, May 7, 2009 08:50:55 No.2550512 >>2550481 I wish I was, honestly.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 11:59:55 No.2551030 >>2550485 When the seagulls cry, none shall be left alive.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 12:31:55 No.2551153 >>2550491 >However, I found the true love on the 2D world, something I never felt towards any other human being before. I feel the same way. Perhaps there's also a religious aspect to it, a profound and spiritual love.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 13:44:55 No.2551417 >>2549902 It depends on how old you are.

None !CIRNo.4ch. Thu, May 7, 2009 14:04:55 No.2551494

You people are actually honest about loving 2-d girls more than real ones? At first, I was thinking this was just a running gag on a few boards, but I'm starting to realize that maybe you guys actually believe this.

Just hear me out. It doesn't matter if you've never tried to approach a real person before, or have tried and failed several times. If you are still in school, just sit next to a random stranger and chat with them while you eat. It doesn't have to be anyone you are interested in. Find someone who looks like they are sitting alone, and could use some cheering up. Just find something interesting to talk about, like the school you're in, your job, the weather... just something normal.

Lost your anxiety yet? By the time you're done talking with this person, you should feel a lot better about yourself. Heck, if you got lucky, you might have even made a friend. Don't expect it, though.

The whole girl situation is a bit trickier to deal with. Chances are, the reason you want to hook up with a 2-d girl is because you were disappointed by a 3-d one, or yourself for not trying to approach one. Without being too stalkerish, try to find out what they are interested in. Chances are, if they are interested in you, they will drop hints, even in passing conversation, about what they like. If you are getting the "go-away" vibe, chances are, you might want to follow that. But, if she keeps mentioning something, like wanting to see her brother's tennis game, ask if you can tag along. Heck, even if it fails, you might gain a new appreciation for tennis or something.

Game, set, match? No, not really. I'm just using hypothetical examples, and what I might do in those limited situations. But real situations have a lot more going on than just that. You are most likely good at learning things about the internet, now go and apply that to real life, and bag yourself one of those "3-d pigs" that you claim to hate.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 14:30:55 No.2551592 >>2551494 >derp

Katsu-kun !!F17Uym/1MLN Thu, May 7, 2009 14:39:55 No.2551622
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>>2551494
What if you are able to follow all of these steps, but only get what you call the '"go-away" vibe'?

Pic related: Girl that doesn't give the '"go-away" vibe'. It makes me thankful that I am the Anime and Visual Novel otaku that I am.

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>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Thu, May 7, 2009 14:46:55 No.2551653 File: 9 KB, 175x187, arck.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2551494 cool copypasta, bro

athens !SysNpnp3nU Thu, May 7, 2009 14:48:55 No.2551660
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If you doubt the idea that women are obsessed with sex and competition just look through the magazines that are aimed at women. Sports coverage is confined to who is going with out with who, which sportsman has the best bum and which activity burns up the most calories and tones your thighs. How to manage your relationship, how to have better sex, how to make yourself more attractive, check out these women who are having more success than you: can you learn anything? Everything connects very closely with sex and nest-building. Magazines for women in the twenty to thirty year age group hardly touch on any “boring” issues, the subjects that become somehow interesting again to women after the maelstrom of hormones has declined in middle age and later years. If I am wrong please show me the magazine that has a huge mass readership of twenty year old women interested in fishing, macramé, medieval history, motorcycle maintenance, etc. No, these subjects are “boring”, twenty something women will tell you to get a life, meaning be obsessed with the mindless trivia of mating rituals that they are obsessed by instead, the fascinating subjects that somehow seem strangely superficial to women who are in their fifties.

I wouldn't mind this but women like to lead these lifestyles and then blame an invisible white male entity when it goes wrong. I'm convinced most of the objectification of women is done with the woman's consent and happiness that it will be quid pro quo arrangement.

None !CIRNo.4ch. Thu, May 7, 2009 14:48:55 No.2551661

>>2551622
Well, it's more of a general outline that "set in stone" steps. I'm not that skilled where I can fit an entire guide to gaining enough confidence to enter the world of dating actual women yet. Its much too deep of a topic.

Just realize that despite what you think, people are watching you. They notice the things that you do in public, and they judge you by them. What would seem like a normal response in this community would be to hide away in your basement until you have to face society again. But, instead of using that time to fap, try learning some social skills. Summer is almost here, and there couldn't be a better time to start teaching yourself about how society works.

In all honesty, this year has been the suckiest out of the past... 5 years for me now? Back in middle/high school, I was a complete nerd, and everyone knew it. I decided to do something about it, and started hanging around new people in my junior year of high school, just some people from one of my classes. They were orchestra geeks, people I've never been around before, but that was better than nothing. Turns out, most of them ditched orchestra over the summer, and started gaming. Oddly enough, they played a ton of games that I liked, so I was able to join in pretty quick.

And of course, when you meet new friends, you meet new girls as well. And that orchestra club had a ton of them. I was interested in about 2 or 3 of them, and started talking with them, just getting to know them. I'd visit them at the sporting events they'd play at, and just chat with them while they weren't doing anything.

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 14:53:55 No.2551682

Dear closet normalfriends, here is how you get a cute nerdy girl:

1. Find a weeaboo with a cute face who isn't annoying. Your best bet would probably be on those cutesy grindfest MMOs-- sure, there are a lot of annoying ones, but the rest are typically just as socially retarded as you and they're really fucking desperate for male attention.

2. Move where she lives or vice versa.

3. Make her lose weight.

4. Get the fuck out of my /jp/.

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 14:58:55 No.2551708

>>2551660
You seem to forget that you're talking about a majority. The majority of every demographic sucks ass: most men between 20-30 are usually dumb, sex-obsessed beerhounds just like most women between 20-30 are shallow, vapid cunts who thrive on sexual attention. There are plenty of people in that age range who don't fall into either demographic, they're just the minority.

None !CIRNo.4ch. Thu, May 7, 2009 15:00:55 No.2551715

>>2551661
I actually typed that thing out myself, fully intentional on the whole first word of each sentence thing. Glad you noticed.

Continued from >>2551653 :
Long story later, I became friends with the girl, successfully asked her out to 3 dances (including a prom), and was friend-zoned the entire time. Crappy way to end a story, but looking back, it was still fun. I'm midway through college now, and I'm still getting friendzoned like crazy, but thats mostly my fault, as college work is a lot harder than I thought it would be, and 15 credit hours + job + 4chan = no free time for me.

I'm kind of enjoying what might be my last hurrah here, as this semester's almost over, and I have a lot of plans over the summer that involve hanging out with my friends again, and trying once more to get a girlfriend again (I managed to go through 4 of them in high school, all of them were dismal failures).

Once you get off of 4chan, and build up some confidence, you'll find that you have a lot more time to improve yourself, and look good for the ladies.

>>	Remilia Scarlet !!0l42/w//XuF Thu, May 7, 2009 15:00:55 No.2551717 File: 69 KB, 700x542, crap.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2551660 The feminists are out to get you!

>>	athens !SysNpnp3nU Thu, May 7, 2009 15:01:55 No.2551721 >>2551708 They're all taken too. Good for them though, they deserve to be happy.

>>	Koakuma !!QTSq2xniWw5 Thu, May 7, 2009 15:02:55 No.2551727 >>2551708 This. So true.

Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Thu, May 7, 2009 15:07:55 No.2551746

So, has anyone mentioned that Athens is a manchild who hasn't emotionally matured beyond seeing the world in starkly contrasting black-and-white?

There are lots of them on 4chan, I know. You can see it by the way people take it extremely harshly when opinions differ from theirs.

None !CIRNo.4ch. Thu, May 7, 2009 15:07:55 No.2551748

>>2551660
People in general are suspect to "herd" mentality... that is, when they find themselves in the middle of a mass of certain ideas, they tend to absorb those ideas. Normally, in the case of a group of people, this would be okay. But, when an advertising company can create a false atmosphere by lining streets, buses, signs, televisions, and computer monitors with the ideas of "You need to be a slut to get a man in this world", they will listen. Just like how the media has gotten men to think that "You have to be muscular, rugged, and love sports to get women". It isn't like that. I know plenty of girls that are exclusively into skinny nerdy looking guys, or the scruffy hipster type. If you check out /b/, you'll even find people who are exclusively into chubbies.

Don't let the media cloud your mind. There are plenty of people out there in the real world, waiting to be your friend, or just to be with you.

>>	athens !SysNpnp3nU Thu, May 7, 2009 15:11:55 No.2551763 >>2551746 >You can see it by the way people take it extremely harshly when opinions differ from theirs. Intentional juxtaposition or just being a mongoloid again?

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:12:55 No.2551768

To most of the fags ITT:

No matter how intellectual you try to come across and how much you want to philosophize about it the hard truth remains: you're a boring loser with no confidence, scared at the prospect of talking to girls. Don't even try fooling yourself into thinking you prefer it this way. Leave your basement and change your pathetic life.

>>	athens !SysNpnp3nU Thu, May 7, 2009 15:12:55 No.2551771 >>2551748 I dont have low self-esteem, you don't need to try and be flattering to me.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:15:55 No.2551785 >>2551660 Most women don't read those trashy magazines.

athens !SysNpnp3nU Thu, May 7, 2009 15:15:55 No.2551788

>>2551768
Assuming that all people who voice cynicism are basement dwellers is just like me assuming all people who play tough dog advice dude on an anonymous imageboard are pitiful, pathetic, dickless faggots who, if even in a relationship probably get pegged up the ass every night by a meru lookalike and have to salvage some manner of pride by desperately attempting to lord it over denizens of 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:17:55 No.2551800 >>2551785 I love how naive /jp/ always acts about women.

Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Thu, May 7, 2009 15:19:55 No.2551808

>>2551788
>>2551768

No, they actually like it. You can complain about your situation, but as long as your subconscious remains comfortable with it, you'll have no drive to change your situation. Your words are just senseless babble, to be skipped over. It'll have no effect on them.

Most of these people lack will. And without that, there really is nothing you can do.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:19:55 No.2551810 >>2549902 Took around 30 something posts for athens to arrive! You're my hero, athens, an inspiration to all of us handsome men who also swore to sticking to 2D!

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:19:55 No.2551812 >>2551785 Just like most Americans dont own a gun?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:20:55 No.2551816 Posting in an athens thread.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:20:55 No.2551817 Is anyone else getting tired of these low-level faggots complaining about being unable to get a girlfriend? Go back to hermit training or get out. We're not ronery, we like being alone.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:24:55 No.2551832 >>2551817 word

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:25:55 No.2551837 >>2551817 THIS. Good god.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:26:55 No.2551839 >>2551817 This. There's a difference between being alone and being lonely. If you're honestly feeling lonely, fucking do something about it and stop bitching about it on the internet.

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Thu, May 7, 2009 15:26:55 No.2551840 >>2551817 Why would they? They wouldn't have anything to whine to us about then.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:28:55 No.2551846 How many "lonely and lovin' it" fags have actuallly had girlfriends before they decided they wanted to be alone? Probably none, they are just making excuses for their complete failure in life to attract a mate.

>>	Mr. Bubbles !!DLJ3bQ7yunJ Thu, May 7, 2009 15:28:55 No.2551848 Am I the only one whose perfect girl would be a bigger loser than I am?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:29:55 No.2551854 >>2551817 Nah, I don't mind a bit of grousing. The "so ronery ;_; " fags sometimes get on my nerves with their pathetic weepiness though.

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:30:55 No.2551855

If I ever did get a girlfriend she would have to be a friend first and take the initiative by confessing to me, and be attractive. It's the curse of being a hopeless romantic who played too many VNs.

This is also why I don't have one and have given up on the prospect. It's not worth leaving my room for.

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:30:55 No.2551858

>>2551768
A "life" isn't necessarily worth the effort it takes and the disappointment it brings, especially to boring losers with no confidence. Many of us have, through not being popular and going through the parade of relationships normalfags see as "life", had time to think and philosophize about relationships, what is important, what we want out of life/a partner and become increasingly embittered by the society and people we observe. Eventually the disappointment leads to giving up the struggle to be socially successful because the rewards are not worth the effort required to obtain them, unless you're so unbelievably lucky to find one of those rare people who aren't like the majority and who happens to have an outlook on life compatible with yours.

If my chance to find happiness is similar to seeing a genuine UFO I'll not sleep outdoors and strain my neck to look at the sky all the time because chances are I still won't see one. I'll just look up in case I glimpse something odd while going on with my "life".

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:31:55 No.2551861 >>2551846 Ignorance is bliss?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:33:55 No.2551880 1. Create your own replica world, with your own rules. 2. Destroy this world. 3. ???? 4. Profit.

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:34:55 No.2551881

>>2551846
Hand up.
Had my share of rejections, crushed hopes and so on, until I found a nice girl younger than me. She idolized me. I tried to make it work, was a caring boyfriend and went out.
Dumped her after a while. I can't be bothered to care for someone else that's all, and to leech that love while giving nothing back would be even worse.
Tried again a couple times since then, each time ends the same. Can't love back, that's all.

Katsu-kun !!F17Uym/1MLN Thu, May 7, 2009 15:35:55 No.2551884
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I guess my normalfagness is showing here, but whatever.

Don't assume I have no social skills at all, and don't assume I don't have any friends. I have friends (who have reassured me in the past that I will find love some day - yeah right), and while not great, I do have enough social skills for practical day-to-day use. I just fail no matter how many times I try, so I just decided to give up.

>>2551846
And like this guy says, it's exactly the same for all of us. It's just that most people are denying it, and I'm accepting it. Kyou is mai waifu not because '2D > 3D' but because I don't have any chance in the 3D world anyways, so I just go with 2D.

>>2551839
Not lonely, I just can't stand it when SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET.

pic related: mai waifu

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:35:55 No.2551885 >>2551846 Your ignorance amuses me.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:35:55 No.2551886 >>2551846 Actually, I just don't have a sex drive.

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:35:55 No.2551887

>>2551768
>No matter how intellectual

Failed at the first hurdle, I see nothing particularly intellectual in this thread. You must have low standards and considered words with more than two syllables to be a sign of 'pretentiousness' or something similar.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:37:55 No.2551894 >>2551887 That's what happens when your only communication is through the internet.

athens !SysNpnp3nU Thu, May 7, 2009 15:39:55 No.2551896

How about that GitS episode with the ghosts inside that little terminal that the tachikoma finds?

The director mentions something to the Major when discussing escapism along the lines of, "A lot of these people here have nothing but misery to go back to."

Katsu-kun !!F17Uym/1MLN Thu, May 7, 2009 15:45:55 No.2551930

>>2551861
Yes, this is probably my favorite quote ever, because it's simply true. If you don't know you're unhappy about something, you aren't unhappy about it.
This is how normalfags waste their lives living like sheep doing whatever society tells them to do, too. The reason why we're here is because we aren't ignorant enough to WORK HARD AND EARN MONEY UNTIL YOU DIE AND NOT SPEND IT BECAUSE YOU'RE DEAD BY THEN. If we'd try, we'd only become unhappy because we know it's all futile.

>>2551886
Sex drive is unrelated. That is, not counting 'lol date a slut fuck her then dump her' as 'love'.

>>2551887
Stuff doesn't have to be all in obscure long words, it's what's being said that makes something intellectual. We're discussing stuff like why people 'fall in love with 2D' and why people comply to society's ridiculous standards, which is plenty meaningful even if we don't try to be pretentious by using words nobody understands.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:46:55 No.2551938 You people are sad, sad souls.

athens !SysNpnp3nU Thu, May 7, 2009 15:48:55 No.2551945

>>2551930
I dont believe people when they say they'd take 2d over 3d. I agree with you there. I don't deal with that issue because I don't personally believe that anyone espousing it actually believes it.

Sure, ideals are nice, but ideals on paper are just that.

If you came up with the delusion in your head that you were King of a great power and lead your army into battle, working out every minor detail, would that make it so?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:49:55 No.2551950 >>2551938 Why, yes, thank you for noticing that I'm nothing but a shell of a man; husk of what a human should be. Don't worry, your can keep going with your normal life without bothering with this awareness nonsense.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:50:55 No.2551956 >>2551945 Don't mistake your own limitations for objective truth.

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:52:55 No.2551964

>>2551945
...your analogy is shitty. The 2D/3D thing is about having higher standards, and being disinterested in normal people as a result.

At least, that's what I assume. I could be mistaken and projecting, since I've never been very interested in people due to having high standards.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:54:55 No.2551970 >>2551938 Yes, we are. Now fuck off.

>>	athens !SysNpnp3nU Thu, May 7, 2009 15:55:55 No.2551978 >>2551956 It is a limitation not to acknowledge that maximum utility can be gained out of another person rather than a non-existent piece of artwork. >>2551964 Dont use that kop-out.

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:57:55 No.2551991

>>2551964
I honestly don't think it's really about the standards. It's more about... 2D is safe. 2D waifus will never harm you in any way. They're always exactly who you imagine them to be, whereas a 3D slutbitch will probably act all interested for a year, get you to marry her, then take off with more than half your stuff. What's more, from afar, she'll sadistically do everything in her power to make your life difficult. I've seen it happen so many times.

It's an emotional thing, not a standards thing. Hell, I'd do most of the women around my age I've ever met.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:58:55 No.2551996 >>2551978 Yep. You have no imagination, athens-kun.

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 15:58:55 No.2551999

Thing is... the reason you go on about 'HUR DUR IM NOT A NORMALFAG I LEIK BEIN ALONE THERZ A DIFERENCE BETWEEN BEIN ALONE & BEIN LONELY!11 MOE MOE 2D GURL DERP DERP' is because you actually enjoy having that persona. That's all it is, dear. A persona. You're not your own person. You have become part of the /jp/ herd, thinking you 'fit in' in some bizarro way by not fitting in to the real world. By the way; neither do I. I'm a fucking social retard, but I don't go on about it and define myself by it.

You think you're somehow deep. Fuck off. No one on /jp/ is even close to deep. "hurp de durp i dont follow society" - yeah well done, nor does any 15 year old Slipknot fan. Get out of your arses; you'd think this board was populated by the likes of Wittgenstein and Gödel from the way you go on. Get married, get a nice job, or stay at home playing visual novels on your own - neither path makes you particularly special. We are all human, and we are all animals, as much as anthrocentrism makes us think we're somehow "special". God, fuck you all. Cretins.

>>	athens !SysNpnp3nU Thu, May 7, 2009 16:00:55 No.2552007 >>2551999 Isn't anthrocentrism kind of er, natural? Detaching yourself to a point of view of 'everything is meaningless in the long run' isn't healthy either.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 16:00:55 No.2552008 Sure are a lot of normalfriends in this thread, is /b/ still down?

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 16:00:55 No.2552011

>>2551978
Don't be parochial and assume everyone's like you. It's stupid--the world is remarkable diverse. You're on the internet, you should know this. You probably wouldn't think most sexual fetishes out there exist if you hadn't seen them online--but they do.

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Thu, May 7, 2009 16:01:55 No.2552019 >>2551999 >Get married, get a nice job go to work, send your kids to school follow fashion, act normal walk on the pavements, watch T.V. save for your old age, obey the law Repeat after me: I am free

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 16:01:55 No.2552021 File: 63 KB, 800x600, 633771332025654170-animegirl.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Not impossible, but not likely.

athens !SysNpnp3nU Thu, May 7, 2009 16:03:55 No.2552031

>>2552011
I refuse to believe people would actively choose 2d over 3d, thats all. You know I am not a 'normalfag' or a gynocentrist. But I just can't accept someone would actually forego it if offered a relationship with a girl ceteris paribus.

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 16:04:55 No.2552033

>>2551999
You're getting upset over 4chan terms, that's silly.

The term normalfag is just used as a label for someone who's socially acceptable, someone who has a job, love life, and friends. Most people on /jp/ are socially unacceptable in their practices and, thus, just like how they are not acceptable in the real world, people who are acceptable in the real world are unacceptable here.

It is a bizzaro world, like you said, on /jp/. But that's what happens when you get a group of people with like minds. They tend to herd up and outcast anyone who thinks differently than them. It's normal for any social group.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 16:05:55 No.2552041 >>2552021 >who said than anime girl are unreal >than You would think if you wanted to make a motivational poster you would at least try to learn basic english.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 16:08:55 No.2552063 >>2552033 I'm not the person to whom you're responding, but doesn't that seem awfully hypocritical? That the people on this board reject others for the same reasons they were rejected themselves?

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 16:08:55 No.2552064

>>2552033

Thing is... people can't be put into such black and white terms. I've usually got greasy hair, I've always had bad acne, I love VNs, I have a thing for neko girls, I failed some of the most important exams in my life because I spent most of my study time on Touhou... and I've had a long term (2 year) relationship. You can't lump people like that.

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 16:08:55 No.2552066

>>2551930
>Sex drive is unrelated.
Huh, must be my ignorance. I thought that was what dating was all about.

In any case, I've never been attracted to anyone counting 2D as well. Dating just seems boring, and I've honestly never felt the need for that kind of companionship. I always assumed it was because romance was just a weird societal game invented to make sex seem more meaningful.

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 16:09:55 No.2552067

>>2551999
>THERZ A DIFERENCE BETWEEN BEIN ALONE & BEIN LONELY!11

But there is. Being lonely is a negative emotion that pushes a feeling to acquire a companion or companionship. Being alone is merely what it is - being alone, enjoying my own company without a care in the world.

I merely enjoy my own company more than I enjoy the company of others. I honestly don't see what the problem is here.

But I'll agree that anyone who is trying to make themselves feel more worthy than anyone else just because of whatever life they lead really need to get their head out of their arses.

Katsu-kun !!F17Uym/1MLN Thu, May 7, 2009 16:11:55 No.2552073
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>>2552008
You'll notice that the three normalfags doing the main discussion in this thread are /jp/ regulars.
You'd be surprised, but a lot of /jp/ers are also quite normalfags.

For example, a lot of people here seem to be in college. But if you are truly a complete failure with no hope for the future - what the fuck are you doing in college? College is to build a normalfag future, if you want to be a perfect NEET you should drop out immediately.

>>2552031
People blow themselves up and take several lives with them because they're told they'd get 70 virgins in the afterlife if they do that. It's possible to delude yourself into thinking very strange things, and '2D > 3D' isn't that strange at all. Hell, if I could, I'd probably delude myself the same way.

pic always related

athens !SysNpnp3nU Thu, May 7, 2009 16:13:55 No.2552086

>>2552073

But I dont believe they believe that.
They say they do because its easier than admitting the truth.

Like the way a slut says she fucks lots of different men because she is 'sexually strong' or some kind of textbook gender studies nomenclature rather than her simply being someone who cannot achieve self-worth without being filled w/ dicks.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 16:14:55 No.2552087 >>2552031 I'm sure there are a number of variables that can cause people to lose interest in "3D". Introversion. Misanthropy. Higher standards. Some people wouldn't choose "3D" period, so "2D > 3D" isn't saying much.

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 16:14:55 No.2552089

>>2552073
There's no such thing as a typical /jp/er. Just a sum of our most negative traits, superimposed in a way that everyone is a 2D obsessed overweight male in his mid 20s with severe social issues living in their mother's basement.
Everyone has at least one instance that deviates from that image, and that is enough.

Don't get caught up in trying to fit in, you can be normal enough. As long as you never bring it back here, we don't want to hear about your life. Neither how your girlfriend is the best or why your life is a sob story.
We don't fucking care. Go play some VN

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Thu, May 7, 2009 16:17:55 No.2552099 >>2552089 Or play Saya no Uta if you really want something to cry about.

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 16:18:55 No.2552102

>>2552064
I never said there aren't people who can't dabble in both, hell I'm not even arguing for one side or another. I'm simply saying that there will always be a mentality that "you're either with us or against us!" in group thinking. I'm sure if you bragged about your girlfriend on /jp/ you would be told to get out, and if you tried to talk to someone considered "normal" in a social place about Visual novels, you'd be looked at as weird.

I was simply making a point that what /jp/ does isn't unnatural, or something people should feel upset over. Most people on /jp/ only consider themselves "different" because they are different from the norm. It's as simple as that.

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 16:18:55 No.2552104

>>2552067
>I merely enjoy my own company more than I enjoy the company of others.
It is rather remarkable that this actually needs to be said. It's like some people haven't heard of introverts.

Heads up guys: some people don't find being with other people much more enjoyable than being by themselves. Especially if being with other people involves a hassle.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 16:21:55 No.2552116 >>2552073 Most of the discussion is of anonymous, the tripfriends are just the usual trolls with maybe a few exceptions.

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Thu, May 7, 2009 16:22:55 No.2552125 File: 59 KB, 600x433, coolfaceeye.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2552116 >insinuating that there are people who aren't trolling

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 16:23:55 No.2552133 >>2552125 Someone has to be getting trolled in order for trolling to even be occurring. It's a two man system.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 16:25:55 No.2552136 >>2552133 Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls.

Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Thu, May 7, 2009 16:26:55 No.2552140
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>>2552133

This is a good troll and countertroll thread.

HURP DA DURR VIRGINS ENJOY UR BASEMENT

NO U, SEXHAVING NORMAL FUCKTARD

/popcorn

It even has athens. Decent entertainment thus far.

Katsu-kun !!F17Uym/1MLN Thu, May 7, 2009 16:26:55 No.2552143

>>2552066
This is very interesting. From your description (no desire for companionship of opposite gender, no sex drive at all), it sounds like you are asexual, which is pretty uncommon. A question to you: Are you still able to enjoy romantic stories, such as romance VNs?

>>2552104
Even introverts can enjoy a certain extent of company. It's just that the pain of having to deal with other people needs to weigh up to the positive effects of having those people around, which is harder for introverts.
I'm generally an introvert as well, but I do have one friend I like talking to, as he can say some very useful things and will just stop asking whatever if I don't want him to ask about that specfic subject.

>>2552089
Agreed.

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 16:28:55 No.2552148

There are way too many people on /jp/ who are more concerned with fitting into the otaku image than they are with the content itself.

I remember a thread where people were talking about how long they've been into this stuff, and most people were saying things like "yeah I got into moe last year or so when I started playing (insert translated eroge here)."

I have nothing against newcomers, but I have a feeling a lot of these people are the same ones who feel like being a NEET hikkikomori is a status symbol and brag about preferring 2D over 3D. I also feel like people like this are into this stuff mostly because it gives them a place to fit in, and will move on from it when they make some friends who are into a different hobby, or actually get a girlfriend.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 16:34:55 No.2552171 >>2552148 An entertaining hypothesis. I hadn't thought of that, but I suppose it's quite possible.

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 16:37:55 No.2552184

>>2552148
Well, considering that the mental age of most of /jp/ is wallowing somewhere around the mid teens, the age when everyone tries to "fit in" to their group, it's not really a surprise.

I think most of the hate for "normalfagging" outside of the example you gave, is that its a common troll practice for someone to come in here, get on their morally superior high horse and lecture down to everyone how bad their lives are, when in fact many of the true NEETs and Hikkis are just fine with their lives. I think it's normal for anyone to be irritated when someone tells you that you're unhappy when you're not.

Just look at the people in this thread saying that people who are alone are just deluding themselves into thinking they're happy when they're really not. I'm sure most of them are trolls too, but that only further proves my point of how often it's used to troll.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 16:37:55 No.2552185 Of course it's possible to fall in love with a fictional character. People fall in love with celebrities all the time, there's no real difference.

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 16:38:55 No.2552191

>>2552140
>It even has athens.
How do you think this thread made it past 100 replies?

To give my own reply to the OP post:
I keep hoping. I've never had the guts to tell any of the girls I've liked anything about it.

The girl I like now is pretty much the opposite of me, and I can't really see what we have in common other than liking movies (but who doesn't?). But when it's just me and her I don't feel weird or anything, so I really like just being with her instead of being all alone in my room.
I don't think she feels the same way about me, though, and I always feel that I'm invisible to everyone unless it's just me and one other person.

She's not perfect or anything, but I hope that I can get myself to tell her how I feel about her. Maybe we'll stay in touch, or maybe she'll forget me like everyone else seem to have done.

Katsu-kun !!F17Uym/1MLN Thu, May 7, 2009 16:40:55 No.2552196
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>>2552148
Where there's smoke, there's fire. NEET hikikomori are glorified because they have 100% free time and no responsibilities, something which is appealing to just about everybody. Combined with the 'lol we dont need other people' attitude here, which if it were true would nullify most of the drawbacks of being a hikikomori NEET, would make being a hikikomori NEET theoretically the ultimate lifestyle.
Practically, nobody wants it because even though everybody here says they're a failure, they still want to try to get a good future. Add to that that actually becoming a hikikomori without running out of money is very difficult (you need some sort of income, and not everybody has parents that will keep paying 100% for living expenses until their son is 40), and you get a lifestyle that is theoretically appealing to /jp/ers and therefore glorified, but in reality very impractical and therefore rare.

The 2D > 3D complex has been explained earlier in this topic.

Getting friends with different hobbies does not sovle the problem for most people. As for a girlfriend...you never know what women are up to! BRACE YOURSELF FOR THE FEMINIST REVOLUTION!

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 16:44:55 No.2552214 >>2552196 >BRACE YOURSELF FOR THE FEMINIST REVOLUTION! Does that come before or after the Marxist revolution?

Katsu-kun !!F17Uym/1MLN Thu, May 7, 2009 16:46:55 No.2552218

>>2552184
>Just look at the people in this thread saying that people who are alone are just deluding themselves into thinking they're happy when they're really not.
I believe you're misunderstanding something here. I'll repeat it:
>Ignorance is bliss.
If you can tell yourself you're happy, you're happy. The moment you 'delude' yourself into thinking you're happy, you become happy.
Happiness is an emotion which you feel. If you feel the emotion, regardless of whether it's justified or not, you are happy.

>>2552185
Again, emotions. If you feel you're in love with *anything*, you're in love with whatever it is. So if you can 'delude' yourself into falling in love with a 2D character, you fall in love with a 2D character. It's that simple.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 16:47:55 No.2552223 >>2552196 If I had a source of income that I didn't have to work for I would quit my job and become NEET in an instant.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 16:49:55 No.2552231 What is this shit? People still think slutwhore 3D bitches are worth their time? Bwahahaha.

>>	Katsu-kun !!F17Uym/1MLN Thu, May 7, 2009 16:49:55 No.2552233 >>2552223 Most people would. Still, most people wouldn't become a hikikomori, though.

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 16:57:55 No.2552259

>>2552231
Since my time isn't really worth anything, I'll have to say that being around the girl I like when I have the chance is more interesting than flipping through books and watching anime.

I'm >>2552191, by the way, so since she's so different from me, it interests me that she doesn't seem to mind being around me.
I've never been asked out for a walk before.
I've never watched a movie with a girl before.
This is my little adventure, so even though I know she's not absolutely perfect by my standards, I think it'll be fun to see where it's going.

I've probably been trolled, so 7/10 since I didn't rage.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 16:58:55 No.2552265 >>2552231 I know right?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 16:58:55 No.2552267 IF BLASTOISE WERE A MOD, THINGS WOULD BE DIFFERENT HERE

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 17:02:55 No.2552279

All the 3D advocates in this thread are just disgruntled women raging against the fact that males have created superior 2D alternatives to them, thus making them redundant and outdated. This is bad news for them, as it means their dry baggy holes won't get pounded 10 times a day, and that they can't leech a man dry of his money anymore.

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>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 17:06:55 No.2552287 >>2552279 To tell the truth, I think we're only a minority of their market. There's more than plenty of club hopping guys out there looking for dumb whores to fill out the back seats of their cars.

Katsu-kun !!F17Uym/1MLN Thu, May 7, 2009 17:06:55 No.2552289

>>2552191
>>2552259
Either you're trolling, or you're posting this in the wrong place. You might want to try GameFAQs' Poll of the Day board. They're pretty much as interesting as it can get while being normalfag enough to discuss love anecdotes, and they love those over there.

But we're discussing whether it's possible to fall in love with 2D girls, completely ignore 3D girls, etc here. /jp/ is not the place for your own stories about love, not even in this to /jp/ standards slightly unusual thread.

tl;dr: gtfo

>>	Katsu-kun !!F17Uym/1MLN Thu, May 7, 2009 17:10:55 No.2552302 Hm, the asexual anon doesn't seem to reply, so I'll go to sleep now. If you read this; please do answer my previous question. If asexual people can still enjoy romantic stories, then asexuality is perfect.

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 17:17:55 No.2552331

>>2552289
>not even in this to /jp/ standards slightly unusual thread.

This thread is unusual?
But you're probably right about me posting in the wrong place. Shit, I have no other place to go other than /g/, and I don't see a command center thread over there, and I don't feel like rating builds.

I'm quite sure it's possible to fall in love with a 2D character.
I think it's like a piece of art you can look at every day and be impressed by some detail or just the wholeness each time. I won't say perfection, because that's an individual judgment, and I've never found anything to be perfect so far.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 17:29:55 No.2552405 >>2552331 ur a faget

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 17:30:55 No.2552420

>>2551846

I've had one long term relationship, over a year going out with one girl in college. I found that all of the hassles of the relationship and social rituals in general just made me feel exhausted and unhappy. After breaking up and coming to terms with that, I have been living a successful and very happy life.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 17:33:55 No.2552431 File: 84 KB, 410x293, 1241256243629.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2552405 Brilliant comeback.

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 17:35:55 No.2552442

Is it possible to fall in love with a 2D character? Of course it is, her love is no less real than the love of a nagging leech.

Can men do without 3D? I think a better question is, why the hell would we want to deal with 3D in the first place?

So, yeah, fuck reality.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 17:47:55 No.2552483 >>2552442 'Her love is real. But she is not' 'Her story will touch you, even though she can't'

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 18:00:55 No.2552535 File: 29 KB, 300x207, 1220484719486.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2551999 >That's all it is, dear. >,dear.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 18:02:24 No.2552543 Nietzche himself wrote that while society believes that loneliness is the refuge of the sick, it might in fact be the only refuge FROM the sick. I side with Zarathustra on that one.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 18:04:55 No.2552546 Nietzsche himself wrote that while society believes that loneliness is the refuge of the sick, it might in fact be the only refuge FROM the sick. I side with Zarathustra on that one.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 18:13:55 No.2552576 I just want a verthandi http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/01/failed-utopia-42.html

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 18:59:55 No.2552795 >>2552442 "Her" love is certainly not real. It is all in your head. Your love for her, however, may well be real.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2009 19:12:55 No.2552844 File: 38 KB, 640x352, 1223829652375.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >This thread You guys REALLY DO believe in that whole, "2D Waifu is superior" thing, huh?

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