Caste system still in practice in Japan

[Anonymous No.]

Just read an article on Google adding historical maps of Japan. The move angered the Government because these old maps show where the burukamin live.

There are 3 million burukamin in Japan, and mostly live the same places as their forefathers because "pure" Japs don't want to hire them or sell them property.

>"If we suspect that an applicant is a burakumin, we always do a background check to find out," she said. She agreed to discuss the practice only on condition that neither she nor her company be identified.

>Google Earth's maps pinpointed several such areas. One village in Tokyo was clearly labeled "eta," a now strongly derogatory word for burakumin that literally means "filthy mass." A single click showed the streets and buildings that are currently in the same area.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/30534258

[Anonymous No.]

Bump for fucking interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

Japan is awesome

[Anonymous No.]

At least they're not Ainu.

[Anonymous No.]

Do you know why this is worse than racism? The burukanin are identical to the Japanese so basically we have an entire country discriminating against it's own race based on Jobs.

It's like racism on steroids.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532446
I can't be racism, since it isn't based on race, and caste systems are much more proeminent in india.
Point is, there is nothing culturally wrong with this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532446
Jobism? Occupationalism? Careerism?

[Ayn !ji3CXASUKA No.]

Butthurt minority complains that Google shows their villages in Google Maps, then complains afterwards when Google removes the villages from Google Maps.

If they didn't behave so obnoxiously, they might get more sympathy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532458
Christ.
Classism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532458
It's prejudice based on caste. Burukamin was a low caste in the Shogun era.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532464
Learn to read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532454
>>there is nothing culturally wrong with this.
Of course not since from their culturally stand point it's normal. Just like muslim men killing their daughters and stuff. It's all part of their culture. But that doesn't make it morally wrong.

[Ayn !ji3CXASUKA No.]

>>2532476
That's what the article said.
If you've derived a different meaning, please feel free to correct me.

Unless you're taking issue with my use of "minority", when I should have used something like "caste".

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

"Gooood, your parents are so, like, TOTALLY embarassing. You're not cool enough to be with us. Only cool kids in OUR club."

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532477
>But that doesn't make it morally wrong.
You said it yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

Nothing wrong with this. Some people need to be ostracized in order for society to be harmonious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532477
Then again, morals are very subjective, being as they're shaped by culture.

[Anonymous No.]

Japan sucks. India knows how it's done properly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532500
Morals can be subjective, we can make it so and we can start by pointing out the ones that are not humanitarian

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532516
I meant to say objective

[AO No.]

It is called "class society". You know, like working class and middle class and upper class and such. Even your pitiful american town has the "other side of the tracks" just like japanese do.

[Ayn !ji3CXASUKA No.]

>>2532532
No. You're confusing "class" with "caste". Think India and untouchables.

[AO No.]

>>2532545
Yes, but in the end of the day what is the difference in between class and caste?

A caste would be more like religious concept but other than that they are practically the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532558

Looks like someone didn't pay attention during Social Studies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532532
Once again, you prove yourself to be uncultured and generally ignorant.

[Anonymous No.]

Wait why would working with leather push someone into this caste? How is being a fisherman or anything any better in terms of "dealing with death?"

[Anonymous No.]

>burukamin
>burukanin

"burakumin"

Jesus fuck I've mentioned burakumin at least on three separate occasions on /jp/. Why is this BIG NEWS now?

Also, there's a rather decent wikipedia article. Suggest you read it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532558
Goddamn, you say some embarrassingly stupid shit sometimes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532558
You can change your class with some work and luck.
You're stuck in your caste forever.

Goddamn, you're an idiot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532499
>The game isn't about winning; it's about finding a single person to sacrifice — the loser.
This world needs no losers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532558
Class is volatile- you can move up (durr hurr) or down quite easily. Caste is set from birth, and is permanent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532572

Do you expect these kinds of things to make sense? Ever? Stop asking stupid questions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532573 cont'd
Actually, didn't you faggots ever stop to wonder about people's reactions in Departures (Okuribito)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532558
Caste= no possible socioeconomic mobility.
Class= some opportunity for socioeconomic mobility.

[AO No.]

>>2532570
Yes, but technically caste and class are the similar socio-political phenomenon under different cultures. And in practice they are very similar to the point of being identical.

[Anonymous No.]

Look at the beard on that guy

[Kurai !MEIDOh12Vo No.]

If there aren't any distinguishing features and I didn't live in a historically burukamin area, what would tip them off? The woman in the interview says if they suspect someone, they'll do a background check, but what would make them suspicious about a person? Maybe just the people who live in those areas?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532570
>>2532571
>>2532576
>>2532579
>>2532583
meru is an ignorant sow mind

[AO No.]

>>2532608
Look, the fact that some trivial group of people can accidentally alter their social class for the better does not mean anything. The common rule is that you are stuck with whatever you got just like in caste system.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532622
you should probably just stop posting at this point

[AO No.]

>>2532626
Ignorant yank scum with your depraved "american dream" mentality.

[Ayn !ji3CXASUKA No.]

>>2532622
Meru, please google "class" or something. I don't think it means what you think it means.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532601
I asked my cultural anthropology professor this same question. He said there might be some burakumin names in addition to the areas. And that there's a book that some companies refer to that has info about where burakumin live.

But I guess you had the idea that "couldn't they just move someplace else" right? Housing is expensive, and even if you managed it your family registry would still probably show exactly where you came from.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532635
u mad?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532446
AY TUK ER JIRBZ

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532622
>>2532635
Many European countries have free education all the way. Consider the implications this has on mobility between social classes.

[AO No.]

>>2532640
It seems that you are unable to make the distinction due your inbred middleclass lifestyle. And perhaps the lack of education.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532670
>education.
Have your parents not taught you not to talk about things you don't know about, dear ?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532670
> AO
> lack of education

I laughed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532640
NO U

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532662
MAI JERBZ

[Anonymous No.]

Come on anon, don't be trolled by this retarded attention whore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532689
GIVE THEY BAK TO ME

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532690

Emphasis on "whore".

[Ayn !ji3CXASUKA No.]

>>2532670
Covering up for your own inadequacies with a weak ad hominem attack? Good job.
Speaking of good jobs, maybe the reason your father couldn't get one was because he was a dirty, uneducated, inbred slav.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532703
Now now, don't attack people's parents, they aren't to blame for this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>"If there is an incident because of these maps, and Google is just going to say 'it's not our fault' or 'it's down to the user,' then we have no choice but to conclude that Google's system itself is a form of prejudice," said Toru Matsuoka, a member of Japan's upper house of parliament.

>>"This is like saying those people didn't exist. There are people for whom this is their hometown, who are still living there now," said Takashi Uchino from the Buraku Liberation League headquarters in Tokyo.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF MAKE UP YOUR DARNED MIND!!!!!!

>>It says Google should "be aware of and responsible for providing a service that can easily be used as a tool for discrimination."
By providing stuff that has been accessible for ages.... And apparently companies have been using such information before so.

Obviously his organization has a long way to go, and I realize that changing such a system isn't easy.

>>Wakana Kondo, 27, recently started working in the neighborhood, at a new business that sells leather for sofas. She was surprised when she learned the history of the area, but said it didn't bother her.

>>"I learned about the burakumin in school, but it was always something abstract," she said. "That's a really interesting bit of history, thank you."
Ah, at least there is some hope....

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532728

Idiot.

[AO No.]

>>2532703
My argument have been accurate. There's no doubt of that and no one has truly even attempted to challenge them, other than "UR RWONG XDDd"

But yes, I'm of a lowerclass family. Not "down to rags begging on the street" poor but "sew your own clothes" poor.

[Anonymous No.]

You know what I just realized?

Burakumin are discriminated against.

Black people are discriminated against also.

ブラク民 - Buraku min. The 民 means people. So the translation would be "black people". Holy fuck, Japan was light years ahead of us in discriminating against niggers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532752
FFFFFFFFFF

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532752
WOW!

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532745
Your arguments were based on false premises, making them pointless, there's no point rebuking an inexistant argument.
That's like saying that british 19th century boats went faster than the speed of sound and saying nobody proved the contrary when everyone's been saying no boat goes farther than the speed of sound with 19th century tech.

[魚油 !Du1A6pui8g No.]

>>2532745
Poor moe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532763
>>2532762
>>2532752
部落民

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532752
Buraku Obama

[AO No.]

>>2532764
Did not read what my posts said, did you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532780

[Ayn !ji3CXASUKA No.]

>>2532745
Classes are not as rigid as you think. My grandparents were working poor, uneducated people. The very textbook definition of "proletariat". My parents got good education and middle class jobs. As for me, well, I post here, so you know I'm a loser and a nothing, but my younger brother now goes to a big-name university in America.

Anyone can move up the ladder if they have the brains and are willing to work hard. It was a personal example, so I guess it doesn't have much weight. But there's a counter-argument.

>>2532752
Hi there slowpoke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532752

Mind = blown

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532752
i thought the word for black was guro

[Ayn !ji3CXASUKA No.]

>>2532807
katakana

[Anonymous No.]

If anyone thinks classes are set, try searching for your country's social mobility tables.
This stuff moves a great fucking lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532807

黒

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532807
Kuro.

[AO No.]

>>2532797
Your interpretation is purely of falsehood because you portray class society purely on economical basis and in terms of how it was presented back in the 1800s. The real concept is a socio-cultural one, not financial. Even though it is money related as is everything in society.

Also note that times progress and the world changes, along with them changes the society and the classes. This does not still mean that classes stop suddenly existing. They just change.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532851
Once again you fail at trying to sound smart.
While your definition of what a class is seems to stem from Marx's, which I am certain you have no knowledge of, social mobility is as present socially as it is economically, even when trying to negate the obvious correlation between the two.
How would you be able to negate the massive changes observable in developing countries.
People who were once commoners without culture become educated in the span of little time, sometimes, in less than a generation, an elite is created.
Class mobility varies from one country to the other, certainly, but it exists everywhere, negating is is foolish.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532836
>>2532824
>>2532814

-_-

[AO No.]

>>2532880
Yes, I've learned Marx by heart.

And you know, I never stated that class mobility does not exist. And it does not even have to necessarily exist for one to gain wealth and education.

[Anonymous No.]

burakumin is pure japanese
and this pic ppl is ainu or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532899
>I never stated that class mobility does not exist

>the fact that some trivial group of people can accidentally alter their social class for the better does not mean anything.
>trivial [...] accidentally

[AO No.]

>>2532916
Yes, I stated that class mobility exists back there. Thanks for pointing it out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532911
>this pic ppl

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>2532899
>Yes, I've learned Marx by heart.

How does it feel to know a lot about a useless philosophical and economic ideology?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532927
No.

[Anonymous No.]

firstry,japanese is mixed
蝦夷(ezo),隼人(hayato),毛(mou),アイヌ(ainu),ウィルタ(wiruta),ニヴフ
(nivuhu)and so on

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532572
Working with leather, especially in medieval times, involved the daily handling of large amounts of human and/or animal shit. That's why it's "impure".

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532894
>-_-
You missed gaia.

[AO No.]

>>2532931
That or the most brilliant sociologist and materialist philosopher.
No complains on my behalf so far.
Should you poor usanian get over the red scare already?

[Anonymous No.]

So it's kinda like with native americans except they don't try and kill them every few years?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532964

See
>>2532934

[Anonymous No.]

>2532928
what do you say? lol

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>2532951
>Marx
>brilliant sociologist and materialist philosopher

Pick one or the other. You can't have both.

[Anonymous No.]

Hey OP, the Class system in North America is extremely easily traversed with time and effort.

Through hard work and education my father was born a penniless farmer and is now nearing retirement as the head of his engineering firm, which is run by the government.
We are very wealthy.

Many other cases such as this exist.
The class system can easily be traversed.
One may rise in class.
One may never rise in caste.

Please stop playing Devil's Advocate and give up your groundless argument.

Don't respond to me, because I sure won't respond to you again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532931
You're sort of a retard, aren't you.
Marx's analysis of Capitalism, more than a hundred years after having been formulated, still hold much truth, he might be extreme, but he's far from being useless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2533052
Said "OP", meant "AO".

[Anonymous No.]

>>2533059

>aren't you.
>you.
>.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2533059
That maybe, but the alternative he postulated remains useless. Mostly because it's mostly based on the idea that people are good and will share stuff.
Oh Marx, you blind fool. Humans are animals, nothing more than that. Which is why we're going to stick to this selfish system until it kills us all.
It's the human way, baby!

[Anonymous No.]

>>2533061
But you surely responded to yourself.

[AO No.]

>>2533076
What the hell? Are you stupid or something? Or do you just have no clue of what you're spouting and have never read a word from Marx?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2533076
Marx never really said that, your american history classes did.
He wasn't a fool, don't confuse the pathetic failure of the soviet union with what he was talking about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2532931
Feels like I majored in English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2533059
Having studied his works: No, Marx (and Engels) was entirely wrong in both the economic and social matters on which their theories hinged.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2533229
The social matters were skewed, the economic matters ?
In no way, relative pauperisation and concentration of capital are still as relevant as they once were.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2533250
Yes way.

Have you even looked at his theory of value?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2533229
In what perspective wrong? The marxist theory of capitalism is very accurate.

And really, do not be such daft brick. These are old books written a century and half ago. The value that comes from such philosophers is in the innovation and ideas the present. Not in some trivia that buttnosed student feels like he has cracked.

Like Plato for an example, surely his texts can seem highly inane for the most part in the society 2000+ years later. But that is not the point of why he is marvelous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2533262
Yes I have, and it is as valid as any other, Labour is value, considering anything else is just as ideologic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2533278
I COULD spend the next few hours listing the glaring flaws in his economic theories, but that would be a waste of an education and my time.

So I'll just tell you that you know nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2533294
>I don't have any non-ideologic arguments so I'll just call you stupid and stay at that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2533294
Still daft as a brick. Just because there can be flaws in some ancient theories does not really mean anything. It is the big picture and the whole view of the world that is being introduced that is the main element.

And really, you do not discredit a theory by disagreeing with it in terms of ideology. Cold hard facts that are not relative or get the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2533315

>get the fuck out.

No. All of you. Take it to /r9k/.

[FA☆BU☆LO☆U☆S !U5yUZtVwaY No.]

>>2533291
Not true. The labor theory of value is prescriptive, not descriptive; it is entirely possible to, for example, not intentionally ignore other relevant facts (capital, risk, interest, demand, supply, cost, etc.) the way the labor theory of value does.