Elona General: 2.0 WHEN??? Edition

[Anonymous No.]

Errors? Set the compatibility of the .exe to Windows 7.

Using GIMP to create a sprite or PCC? Select "do not write color space" and save it as a 24-bit BMP.

What version to play? Read the pastebin.

>New? Start here:
https://pastebin.com/FDv2ATAa

>Mods:
https://pastebin.com/5ja03yuf

>E+ Changelogs:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29

>Latest Elona+
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:32211

>Elona Custom Release Thread:
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:29851

>Elona+ Custom-G Release Thread:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:29336

>Current Version:
Elona+ 1.995R (2020-07-25)
>Latest Custom:
E+C 1.90.4 (2019-06-02)
Elona+ Custom-G 1.90.4.2 (2019-10-20)

>Omake Overhaul English Release Thread:
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:28909

>Current Version:
Elona Omake Overhaul EN (2019-06-17)
Omake Overhaul EN Hack final release (2018-12-14)

>OOMSEST Updates
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ObWACccjqvaJLcXBfsH2tHEGaYfaD0S_


>Elin's Inn
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1moY3mcjFNPCytLFTdhgB0Xhnq2Bbt_yE/view

[Anonymous No.]

Last thread: >>24406331

Some notes. 2.0 will likely release just because I put up the new OP with 1.995 as the version. I also won't be updating Beautify from 1.99 to 1.995R cause I can't be assed to fix something so minor. I'll wait till 2.0.

Also have this PCC template sheet. It shows precisely where the bounding box for each frame is.

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>>25037947
I have only ever played Fairy. I don't even know what the game is like if you don''t play as fairy

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>>25038407
Did you start playing fairy because the wiki's advice told you to?

What's suffering like?

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>>25038523
No because a fellow fairy player recommend me the game and fairy. It is normal I guess, I remembered spending 150 hours in act 2 of Plus back in 1.50. I'm trying to get back into the game but Window 10 is acting up lately

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>>25038407
Well, imagine playing fairy, but you can actually equip stuff. That's what it's like.

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>>25037947
Dead game

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How did you guys build Archer pet? Also r8 my black angel

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>>25039088
>overdose
Disgusting.

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>>25040286
Imagine getting upset over someone playing a singleplayer game in a different way

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>>25037993
>2.0 will likely release just because I put up the new OP with 1.995 as the version.
I completely understand this feeling.

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Does OOMsest's younger sister god (rachel) work at all? I'm praying with enough faith for a pet, and it's just giving me a random mob instead of the intended (according to game files) "strange younger sister" holy servant pet.

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If you specialize a shop, will it stop selling other item types altogether?

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>>25043772
no, it just gives a money boost to whatever specification it is

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the 7 DESTINY triggers are nice I guess, cant complain about a steady drip of Godly equipment

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What would you do with a living staff? Magic enhancement all the way or resist stick?

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>>25043441
I know there's a file for her, but i never found her altar ingame.
I'm not sure she's implemented.

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>>25037947
I do not give a fuck about how bad Fairies actually are, I'm still going to play them.

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Huh... in oomsest I just gave birth to something that's wasn't an alien. It has a little sister sprite and is named "child of <name>", and isn't aggressively attacking everyone nearby, so I'm pretty sure it's not an alien.

Since when did they add non-parasite pregnancy? Anyone know about this or what causes it?

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>>25046724
I guess it depends on which version you play.
E+C scales difficulty based on character speed, while oomest scales based on fame. So you'll have a harder time with scaling as a fairy in E+C, which is inherently fast. On the other hand, E+C has that cheaty "reduce item weight by paying blacksmiths" mechanics. So the early game will be particularly brutal while the late game will be easier, or so I'd guess.

On a related note, does the fairy's DV scale up with level? The weight limit might be worthwhile if the DV doesn't become obsolete by late-game.

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How many characters do you guys have?
I currently have one but thinking about branching out

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>>25047469
>E+C scales difficulty based on character speed, while oomest scales based on fame
Where did that came from? Almost everything in Plus scales with your fame, the only speed-related thing is AP grinding for Leold, for which a bit of extra speed doesn't matter in the long run.
>>25047571
There's really no point in having multiple characters at once imo. Some short challenge run or a complete restart may be worth it, but grinding two characters at once is madness.

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>>25043441
>>25045071
As far as I'm aware the neechan god is just a re-named eyth, if you happen to be the sister race. It's supposed to be the player character, and is a reference to how they worship their older sibling. The gender of the god even changes based on yours.

The wish goddess is also only half-implemented. She exists and can be summoned, but I don't think you can worship her or gain anything from doing so.

The only true gods oomsest adds are danalin, inari, and seria the new pirate goddess (one of the S. Tyris cities has an altar to her).


>>25047469

Innate pv/dv only scales in oomsest, and even then not the race feat, only naked pv/dv and the normal pv feat. In plus it's a one time thing.

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>>25043821
It does sell other items a bit less frequently, as I recall. The items for the specialization sell a bit more frequently, though.

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>>25048262
ooooh. Wait, you mean the one in the god template folder? That's just an example file for how to make your own custom god. Nothing in the template folder will be loaded into the game.

You might be able to get her to work if you transfer those files into the actual custom npc/item/etc folders though. Have you already done that? If so it could be bugged.

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>>25047929
Could have sworn I read somewhere that speed affected difficulty scaling the other day. But I can't find the source, so I may have been mistaken. I guess it was probably something mis-translated when browsing the Japanese wiki. My apologizes for the mistake.

>>25048262
>>25048336
Weird that oneechan is not implemented, when she is an available choice for your starting gods during character creation.

I have the 7/24 version of oomsest and there's no reference to piety-tracking for any pirate goddess. So either she's really new, or she's so incomplete there's no piety-tracking system for her. Or she doesn't use conventional piety.

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>>25050633

Piety tracking? It might be that she's just to new, since she's only 1 or 2 months old. She's a normal goddess, can even be summoned, gives gifts, has a pet, etc. You can find her altar in S. Tyris at one of the port cities.

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>>25037993
Can I use current beautify with 1.99R?

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>>25051556
Piety tracking as in you're able to use shrines to gain piety points, and spend them on the associated rewards.

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>>25051697
Oh, yeah she uses shrines and the favor system.

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>>25051697
>>25052054

The weapon reward is pretty nice too.

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>>25052054
>>25052085
Oh crap, you're right. I was mistakenly looking at the OO exe, not the OOMsest exe. Too bad none of it is translated though.

How's the Pelican servant? Any good? Any special abilities? -- though, then again, with the text all being jibberish you probably couldn't tell if it had any like the White Fox or Black Cat.

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>>25054113
When I was looking through the changelogs I think it mentioned something about cargo delivery, or free cargo. It is a pelican. I think the 2nd item makes bad weather go away, but been awhile since I tested it.

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>>25055897

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Anyone know what the name suffixes mean in OOMsest? Like "Sally the Dog the Hero" or "Silvia the Cat Demi-God". Are they supposed to have special powers? Just have higher stats? Are they capturable?

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>>25056977
Ah, OO added those, from the changelog: https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Omake_overhaul

Hero (Katakana name "Hero")Edit

Level is 2 times higher than normal.
Demigod (Katakana name "Demigod")Edit

Level is 3 times higher than normal.
World's strongest (Katakana name "Champion of")Edit

Level is 4 times higher than normal.
Great ancestral spirit of (Katakana name "Elder ancestor of")Edit

Level is 5 times higher than normal.

Characters with this modifier will become transparent and lack a shadow


So, a great ancestral spirity of spiral king will be lvl 325. This is about where oomsest's enemy scaling starts to fall off. Bu,t equipment still gets boosted past that, and there are a few custom npcs that are higher level.

[Anonymous No.]

Some thoughts after finishing part 1 in plus 1.90.
Right now it feels like the early game part of the game was cut out. I've not finished all side content in North Tyris, barely did any dungeons and ended up with level 40 1k+ hp character able to faceroll Lecimas and Zeome, and that's with 5 pets running around stealing experience. So far it's like playing on overdose, since you can keep potentials of all skills at 100-200% range with platinum.

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>>25063545
>it feels like the early game part of the game was cut out
And that sucks.
Oomsest is much better on that point, the progression is much better. Until you use MMM, then it becomes insane.

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>>25051646
Current one is 1.90, right? It's missing some interface icons at the very least.
And speaking of beautify, that's a hell of a lot of dirty pixels unless it was me who fucked it up somehow when editing spritesheet.

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>>25051646
Yes it will work with 1.995R just fine. As far as I am aware, some of your journal might look weird.

>>25066793
Check the pastebins. They are 1.99 now.

[Anonymous No.]

First time playing, I'm Lvl26 Warrior and can't fucking hit anything. I'm so fucking frustrated with this game I'm gonna throw my fucking PC out the window. And I was having so much fun but now it's "Quick save to have the 1% chance of hitting that one fucking mage, if not Quickload"

[Anonymous No.]

I am curious about something, do you guys play any other roguelikes other than Elona? Also, do you also visit /rlg/ on /vg/?

I don't meant to do anything bad, I'm just curious.

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>>25070906
I'm currently playing CDDA, other than that not so much

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>>25070330
>Quick save
I don't understand, what's a quick save in elona?

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>>25070330
How are you fighting? I'd suggest going for twohanded weapons; that boosts your accuracy. Also, try using Touch of Sleep.

[Anonymous No.]

how meme is fairy claymore

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>>25074265
Full meme. Pianist at least plays to the strengths of fairy in a way.

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>>25072303
F1, and I'm playing Custom G+ I found somewhere
>>25073273
One-hand and a shield, pop all my buffs from spells and a rod/potion of speed before a tough fight, get close and miss 50% attacks.

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>>25076408
>One-hand and a shield
Don't change weapons like a spaz, stick to one kind.
Weapon skill raise only when you hit, changing to a weapon you didn't level the skill of destroys both your accuracy and damage.

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>>25077734
You mean you aren't a weapon master with skill in all types? Disgusting.

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I can't find if it's anywhere on the wiki, but, in oomsest (or even just Elona in general), what are the rules concerning dual wielding? Wasn't there some sort of weight limit on weapons to prevent a hefty penalty?

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>>25079623
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Dual_Wield

Those restrictions apply to vanilla and oomsest too, not sure why you think they don't. Either way the game will tell you if your equipment weight is bad in the log.

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>>25076408
>shield
Swap it out for an accuracy-boosting claw, and use a blacksmith to enhance your weapon to +2.

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>>25074265
Fairy martial artist wrestling titans and dragons is powergamer's choice.

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>>25082612
Actually, I'd be interested to see how far you can go with a fairy build on oomsest since the dodge bonus they get scales up with level. Between that, and smithing (which means weak-ass but very light materials like paper can be repaired for free, rather than having to use scrolls or paying smiths), a fairy could be pretty nice in the end-game. Assuming the fairy's dodge bonus scales up well with level.

[Anonymous No.]

>playing Custom-G
>timestop dual wielding like a boss
>pets are buffing themselves and teleporting around the map obliterating everything with shadowstep

I can't imagine playing this game without custom pet AI now. It seems weird to me that people play regular Elona+ with nerfed multihits, no gold reward from dungeons, and default pet AI. It feels like cheating but it's so much more fun I don't really care. I guess if I had to play regular Elona, I'd just play without pets, grab the Kokou feat, and grind solo as a mutant martial artist. My goal is to win Custom-G (eventually) and then try to do the same thing in plus, just to prove to myself that I can do it without Custom-G's modern conveniences.

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>>25085752
There's no kokou feat in regular Elona, it's exclusive to Elonaplus.

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>>25085824
Oops, that's what I meant.

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>>25070330

Put platinum in whatever weapon skill you're using and keep doing it, as it'll raise your accuracy. Use the Puppy Cave or wilderness as a source of replenishing punching bags. Also consider using status effects like paralysis, blindness, confusion, and sleep; it'll make your target less able to evade you and spare you some pain to boot.

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>>25082612
bro just go naked fairy,suck dick until you can get a MMM loop going and become death the destroyer of worlds,make sure to get those hooves and wings ether diseases

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>>25083535

I did a pure no-gear fairy run on OO, you can easily get to and past Zeome. Beyond that, with power-gaming methods everyone can be OP as hell.

OOMsest should be even easier, especially if you let your self use equipment.

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Does anyone know how aggro against neutrals (people in town, sister mansion, other heroes, etc) works? Karma aside, will hostile NPCs eventually reset to being neutral again after waiting a period, or will they be permanently hostile?

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>>25085752
>I can't imagine playing this game without custom pet AI now.

I mean, the combination of nerfing players and greatly expanding pet interactions/abilities make it seem like it was an intentional move by the author.

Makes me glad OOMsest is integrating parts of E+ into OO now, so we can play south tyris content without being boxed into a "petmaster" playstyle like in E+. Not that OO isn't a great branch by itself, though.

[Anonymous No.]

Been ages since I played Elona but I've been getting the urge again. Sucks that Custom-G fell behind, guess I'll try out Pisslona. Want to make a chill farming character to start, make a gene at some point.

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>>25090296
Try OOMsest. It has all the features of it's own branch, and is not integrating content from Custom-G, so is becoming the most complete version.

That said, it's important to note the progression is more similar to vanilla Elona (i.e., it doesn't have E+'s pet-centric meta or the rapid progression from getting a flood of cheap skills/SP/levels).

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>>25090296
>>25090296
Try OOMsest. It has all the features of it's own branch, and is now integrating content from Custom-G, so is becoming the most complete version.

That said, it's important to note the progression is more similar to vanilla Elona (i.e., it doesn't have E+'s petcentric meta or the rapid progression from getting a flood of cheap skills/SP/levels).

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>>25091557
>>25090132
>elona+ forced pet meta
Is it just me or does it seem like a pain in the ass to train pets when Kokou is a thing? I'm training them anyway because it's fun and gets kind of lonely without them but I keep thinking of how much faster it would be to just hoard all of the AP for myself and just blast through the Void drunk on potential potions and growth scrolls without ever worrying about pets falling behind.

[Anonymous No.]

>Graphics fix for oomset players
Applying a E+ graphics pack to oomest can mess up the hex/bless icons. This fixes that. Extract to elona/user/graphics.
https://mega.nz/file/sJwwQSbS#6tfAHV0pB9DRgYVjS8Jq8tL00Ti_TATzUhgcyWdXW_Q

>Updated Monster Girl Spritesheet
Adds the missing sprites from 1.90+, making it fully compatible. At least until even more new creatures get added. Reposting from last thread since it doesn't look like it's been added to the pastebin yet.
https://imgur.com/a/T4hqBQO

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>>25093623
Forgot to mention, the MG spritesheet works with both the E+C and OOMsest branches. (Though you need the above graphics fix to correct the hex icons, for oomsest).

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Is there any point in raising your necro pets level when it already reach the cap (2000 on every stats)?

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>>25090296
Very little of value has been added to + since custom-g fell behind. Fuck piss mechanics.

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>>25077848
You can, it'll just take forever.

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>>25091590
>integrating content from Custom-G
What? I know that one guy was trying (so far unsuccessfully) to port some of Custom's additions over, but since when has anything from Custom-G been added to Omake?

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>>25091635
As long as you have at least 1 pet that spends night with you for crafting and breakfast, and possibly performing and lock breaking outside of combat, the only thing you'll be missing on is extra gathered materials.

[Anonymous No.]

...Is peeing on top of a well then mixing the well and the pee to renew it's uses a good idea?

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>>25099062
OOen custom is supposed to be around for months. I mean, I haven't played it, but it looks ready. https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:31530
As for OOMSEST custom, I imagine it'll need constant support the same way as plus custom, and nobody wants to bother with that now.

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>>25099062
He might have meant how oomsest is adding a select number of feats/features and the south tyris continent from E+.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know what the "you sense a thirst for blood nearby from [direction]" message mean when searching your surroundings? I'm not seeing anything obvious that might cause it, like a vampire or trap.

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>>25101549
As long as its not the holy well I don't see why not

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>>25104544
I know people joke about the kind of things you can do in this game, but what do I say when we have actual piss fetish mechanics? Pee in a well then drink your own pee to get wishes. Great.

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>>25104577
Nobody questions The Sims or Dorf Fort patch notes/bugfixes, why is this any different

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>>25104707
Sims and Dorfs don't drink their own pee.

I also have zero incentive not to just pee in the middle of the street. Why does this mechanic even exist. What did it add?

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>>25101771
>>25104271
>omakefags have no fucking idea what they're talking about
>just endless babbling trying to trick people into playing a subpar game
lol

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>>25104731
It added Ano's weird friend's fetish to the game. Just play Custom-G.
(The worst part is that he never followed through on adding forced milking. Nobody would've complained about that...)

[Anonymous No.]

Just got a new laptop and decided to install Elona on it. Is there an efficient way of playing without a numpad?

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>>25105574
Open config, change keys in (Keyboard movement) to whatever you want.

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>>25104304
In omake? iirc it shows you the direction where nearby enemies are.

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>>25105145
Didn't Elm have that? Among a whole other slew of other much more raunchy game content. It was a bit surprising when it finally stopped development, since it was among the longest running, continuous elona mods too.

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>>25105145
It's already in for ranch animals, been for ages. No one much cared.

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>>25101771
>>25104271
What the fuck are you talking about you retard?

>and the south tyris continent from E+.
source: my ass

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>>25105050
Believe it or not, not everyone wants to play Elona as a pet management simulator.

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>>25105973
To be fair, that's what the wiki tells people. Or at least it's worded in such a way it heavily implies it's an E+ addition.

https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/South_Tyris

>South Tyris is accessible in Elona+ by visiting...
>article categories: Locations in Elona+, South Tyris

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>>25105973
Anon, are you ok?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25105973
You do know what the last S and T stand for in oomsest right?

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>>25106060
At least plusfags actually want to play the game. Omakefags apparently don't play Elona at all and know jack shit about it. Just here to shill for their discord I guess. Sad.

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>>25106258
He's probably sperging about south tyris originating from vanilla elona, and not being plus' invention.

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>>25106358
I mean sure it technically existed as empty space but does anyone really count that?

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>>25106314
C'mon man, if you're going to troll at least pretend to put in some effort. "Anyone who plays omake doesn't want to play the game." Really?

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>>25094813

Of all the spooks worth using in combat Liches have the smallest level multiplier, so you may want to cap them out. Otherwise? Even if the spooks are capped you still benefit from having higher Alchemy if you bother to make Trismegistuses or use Resolution Hand/Liquid Manipulation.

[Anonymous No.]

Would you guys say that Elona threads are a /jp/ tradition or would you agree to move them over to the new board >>>/vrpg/?

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>>25108502
>Would you guys say that Elona threads are a /jp/ tradition
yes
generals aren't allowed over there anyways.

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>>25108555
Lel someone read the sticky, thank you mister smart

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>>25108502
Elona's like one of the last bastions of old jp anyway, all that's left are ghost touhou threads only used to bump the 5000 reply eceleb threads off so they can post images again.

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>>25108502
Honestly I'm surprised Elona hasn't already moved to vg in the years I was gone; the threads thematically fit far better over there than here.

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>>25109557
/vg/ is terrible. Go roll in a pile of garbage to test out what it would be like for the Elona General to be there. More to the point, these threads generally are too quiet to survive on /vg/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25109557
/vg/ requires a certain posting speed which we can't really match. Slow comfy threads are better and this would just die or be 400 posts of "bump" every 30 minutes.

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>>25109578
>every thread would just die or be 400 posts of "bump" every 30 minutes
fixed

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>>25109557
Elona was on /vg/ years ago.
This has been brought up before.

[Anonymous No.]

I always forget how brutal early game Elona can be. Kinda thinking about rerolling to a magic based character, because I am a scrublord.

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>>25109557
If you really want to meddle with a system that already works, go make an elona thread on /vrpg/ advertising the game.

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>>25110557
>>25109573
I specifically avoided saying "should move" because there are always autists who lose their shit when it comes to changing the status quo, regardless of whether it's better or worse. It's the same no matter what kind of general thread you're in.

I was just observing that I was surprised that, with boards becoming increasingly narrow in their focus over the years (i.e., video games splitting into retro games, rpg, generals, etc) that nothing similar happened to JP. But I feel the discussion is going off-topic at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

hi guys newfag here, a bit confused while reading the pastebin, do I need to install the 'easy set up' version of elona plus custom on top of elona plus or not? Also, elona plus custom g is a good variant to start with, right?

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>>25111459
Easy setup is unzip and play, launch with elonacg.exe if you use Custom G.
Plus is one of original Elona variants, developed by another person after original developer quit. Custom is a later mod for it originated from english community, that improves translation, adds pet command system and QoL. Custom G is submod for custom that removes some stupid changes from later Plus. Custom GFU is easy mod that reduces grind.
Custom G is a couple of versions outdated compared to Plus, but since it adds translation and QoL tweaks, I'd say go with it.

[Anonymous No.]

Damn, getting cooking to 100 makes such a huge difference. Dropping off like 20 steaks in my shop after every dungeon is fucking cash. How exactly do shop types work, though? I've got it set to "magic shop" for example but it still sells everything else I drop in there too. Do you just get a bonus to that one category? Are the other categories penalized?

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>>25112356
Chosen category has better chance to sell and sells at 120% of normal price.
Other categories get penalty to sell chance, but price stays normal.
Plus food shop can sell rotten food at full price for ultimate capitalist experience.

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>>25112356

Food shops can be baller if you get a lot of food to sell, and sell it all at once. The hardest part is getting a lot of food to sell in the first place, so if you don't have the Super Lure and a lot of bait or farms with plenty of seeds or even very high Anatomy and lots of critters to kill then you're going to have a bit of a problem getting merchandise.

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>>25109557
Elona general is the only reason I still come to this shit board.

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>>25113967
Well, I've decided to make a 2nd shop just for food. What I've been doing is running dungeons as fast as possible (basically just clearing the whole map and picking up everything along the way without even checking if it's any good), IDing everything at my house, cooking all the food, then dumping everything into a magic shop. Problem is that I never have enough slots in the shop because my shopkeeper only seems to sell a good 20-40 items per day, so that's where the 2nd shop is going to come in. A true POWER GAMER may have a separate shop for every type but it seems like too much faffing around with menus to be worth it for me. Besides, actual gear never sells for shit thanks to Ano being butthurt twenty versions ago

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>>25111459
Elona+, Elona+Custom, and Elona+CustomG are basically three variants of Elona+.
>Elona+ is basically vanilla.
>Elona+Custom makes some major quality-of-life changes.
>CustomG is basically a reversion patch (some guy hated some recent changes, and made a patch to undo them). It also machine translated the tiny amount of text that wasn't already translated.

Progression tends to be very fast in the Elona+ and its variants. If you want a more brutal and gradual progression (not everyone does), or want to play an Elona variant where pet management/ranching isn't the end-game meta, there's always OOMsest.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know what pieces of furniture can be used to store items? There's no real indication about which can hold items and which can't in-game...

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>>25112795
>>Plus food shop can sell rotten food at full price for ultimate capitalist experience.
>capitalist
actually anon that's communism

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>>25118723
No, communism is when you're eating rotten food for free at best, and when there's nothing around that can rot at worst.

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>>25114974
>Elona+ is basically vanilla
Oh look, omaketards are at it again.

[Anonymous No.]

What do we actually eat when we order food at an inn?

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>>25125697
Do you ever wonder where all the bodies from unseen hand assassinations go? Some questions better left unanswered.

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>>25125697
You probably pick several dishes off of a menu.

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>>25117448
Wiki page for furniture tells you what furniture can store items.

I do wish we could use more furniture as storage, tossing shit in a pile on the floor isn't as comfy.

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>>25126843
You should be able to put stuff into treasure chests, like in Castle of the Winds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25118723
>>25122362
>selling rotten food made from random animals and beasts
>not naming your shop Wuhan Express

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>>25122418
I meant as far as the three mentioned. Custom and Custom-G are mods of Elona+, making Elona+ the vanilla of the three. Sorry if I [triggered] you.

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>>25129677
I'm autistic and even I could tell what you meant, but it was kind of a confusing way to put it, since "vanilla Elona" has a specific meaning.
There must be a better term... I wonder how Zangband is classified?

[Anonymous No.]

Since OP seems to be HYPE IN ALL CAPS for 2.0 in the title, has Ano (or whoever runs E+ nowadays) actually announced anything special for 2.0, or is it just going to be another generic version rollover no different from 1.8->1.9? Or is he just meming?

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>>25133016
Ano's blog did mention wanting 2.0 to be the next major release, that's why we got 1.995. He needed to push an update, but wanted whatever he's working on to be 2.0, and not to have a 1.100.

As for what exactly he has planned? Well he's working on the final boss sequence at the moment, special abilities, scripted stuffs, etc.

This'll be the final boss of act 3 (I assume it'll be the chaos child again), but we still don't know if there'll be an act 4. He might be ending it, or going in a crazy new direction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25133016
I was just being cheeky. I seriously doubt it's going to be some ground breaking change in Elona. Probably just more hamfisted attempts to curb stat grind loops that actually just further reinforce the need to exclusively do stat grind loops.

Also why are these threads so popular suddenly? I can't keep making new OP images at this pace and actually fill them with new random screencapped shit.

[Anonymous No.]

Question concerning faries: Can they improve their boosted resistances through eating corpses? I ask because normal humanoids supposedly can increase their resistance "up to normal" by eating certain corpses. But since fairy resistances start above normal ("strong"), does that mean that their enhanced resistances can't be increased through eating? Or do they get the ability to increase resistances even higher?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25134082
So, there are 6 types of resistance, the first two count to the same cap, but the rest are all seperate and don't interact.

Permanent innate, such as what you get from eating vesda.
Temporary innate, such as what you get from eating fairies.
Feat based innate such as the race feat or from the feat selection menu.
Mutation resistances, and equipment resistances.
Equipment granted resistance.
Spell/potion/effect granted resistance

Temporary innate can be lost with sleep, and mutation can be lost with counter mutations.

Fairies (and some others) get starting temporary innates based on race, and feat based innates from their feat.
The first set work exactly like corpse gotten resists, same caps, same slow decay from sleep.
The feat resists are forever.

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>>25137934
Thank you for the in-depth answer. It helped shed some light on the underlying mechanics, for me.

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>>25139627
It's also part of the meme in the OP. That fairies can just LOSE one of the only legitimate advantages literally overnight is a massive detriment. It really shouldn't be the case, but there you go.

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>>25139897
>That fairies can just LOSE one of the only legitimate advantages literally overnight is a massive detriment.
Thankfully I'm planning on playing a fairy in oomsest, where the fairy's natural DV/PV scales up with level. So it's not nearly as busted as it is in E+C.

[Anonymous No.]

So OOMsest apparently adds south tyris -- but is it just the location that is added? Or does it also add the associated quests and/or main storyline stuff that happens there?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25133939
>Also why are these threads so popular suddenly?
I've randomly decided to start playing again, so that's one extra person.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25133939
>>25143029
Lots of people are also sitting here waiting for 2.00

[Anonymous No.]

>>25141847
OOMsest adds an entirely new S. tyris, vanilla had already added just the location itself. At the moment it's just several new towns, a few static dungeons, 2 new guilds, and a new god. The only thing it shares in common with plus is the smoke and pipe inn, which vanilla had added.

There were plans for more towns, another guild, and quests that haven't been added yet.

[Anonymous No.]

I read in passing some mention of a town-building system in OOMsest; does anyone know where I can find out more about how it works and other info on it?

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>>25143330
Well then the next thread will probably have a reused image at this pace. A lot of the ancient OPs were actually made from a single LPer. We don't have that luxury anymore.

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>>25156898
I looked up Elona on pixiv last week to try and find some new PCC files; there's like ~800 items listed (though like 20% of all the art is crossdressing Kumiromi). I'm sure at least a few of them could make lazy OP images.

[Anonymous No.]

For anyone using E+ and its assorted submods (custom, etc): How important are pets in the end-game? I've heard they make things ridiculously easy, but are solo runs still viable? Or do you have to be incredibly overlevelled because the content is intended to scale up to the player having a full party of pets?

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>>25157035
Yeah, it's so weird how so many artist are drawing Kumiromi as a guy.
She's not that androgynous to begin with, though obviously more so than the others goddesses.

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>>25157086
Solo is just fine and dandy. Pets are powerful, but you also have to gear and level them, so they don't actually save in IRL time.

The players I've seen reach max stats are usually a fairly random mix of pets users and no pet users. I didn't use pets myself on my strongest character, outside of shops, and a brief stint of party time quests.

Either way, it' possible to reach act 3 in < 20 hours whether you use pets or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25157035
>(though like 20% of all the art is crossdressing Kumiromi)
You say that like it's bad.

Also:
https://elonaup.x0.com/sozai/index.htm?1587930375

This has a lot of PCCs hidden in it, but it'll take a while to go page by page. The amazing thing is people still upload to it after so long.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25157320
>This has a lot of PCCs hidden in it, but it'll take a while to go page by page.

>Page 2: Black Cat Anthropomorphized with glossy ass
>Page 3: More than half the page are existing sprites with giant tits added
Given what the modding community is like, I'm surprised none of the remaining active Elona mods add more adult content

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>>25157247
What idiosyncrasies do I have to plan for in the Elona+ late game? For example, does the rant in the OP image about PV being superior to DV in the end-game hold true? Do certain builds or playstyles scale poorly and end up being a lot worse towards the late-game?

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>>25157086
Depends on what you mean by solo run. You'll need pets at shops and ranches, and having utility pets on standby for morning extras or performance is also good.
If you mean strictly dungeon diving then sure, leave your pets behind and grab all the experience, it's perfectly viable.

[Anonymous No.]

New person thinking about trying elona, should I wait for 2.0 or is it just a number and not some big change reworking the entire game?

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>>25158209
It's not worth waiting for it, whatever it adds, as a new player you'll have your hands full with existing content. And you can always update as it comes out, unless you pick up Custom and have to wait for someone to update it.

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>>25158253
Thanks for the answer.

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>>25158161
Dual-wield lags far behind 2h, but mostly due to accuracy problems, rather than damage. But there are a few ways to ignore accuracy if you really want to try dual-wielding 360s swords.

Otherwise, most mainline weapon/magic styles work just fine. There are even a few spacts like golden storm that can be made to work, though it's not as good. I'd say bow/alchemy/magic device tend to fall behind the most, but you can still clear the game with them.

PV and DV. Well, PV is better than dv, but dv isn't worthless per se. Many of the spacts that are meme'd to ignore dodge deal crush damage, and crush damage is reduced by both pv and dv. So, it's not as bad as it seems, plus you can dodge crits with greater evasion and emergency evasion.

Also, most of your pv is from +15 gear, dex, holy shield, and armor skill. Not to mention some of the ether diseases. There's no such thing as a low pv build, unless you go without gear/spells/etc. entirely.

[Anonymous No.]

The most +x you can have on armour is +1000, so +9000 total, or 18000PV. And that's assuming two shields.
Due to the au naturel formula in oomsest, the level needed to reach that naked is 66% of 18000, or level 12000 to equal the best possible PV figure from gear.

Liches seems damn powerful.
They have a decent 80 life, get 2,25PV every level-up, and start with almost as good DV as naked fairy. And dat humongous 140 magical POWER.
Not as much resistances as fairy innately, but way, way less squishy.

Seems like a good candidate for rolling a hardcore char, less reliance of equipment reducing need of RNG and all that.
Wishing for the spider race and run through spiderwebs while your mana recharge could be cool, too.


Just tested, you don't get the au naturel bonuses of the race you wish for, metal bonuses would be OP, bummer.

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>>25160669

They changed the cap in a recent update, it goes all the way to +9999 now:

-Hammers that have reincarnated more than 7 times can now equip their equipment to +9999
-The limit value of the amount of reinforcement is (the limit until now + (current level / 1000)
-Requires 8999000 levels to strengthen up to +9999 maximum


Anyways, at 10k pv you hit 100% damage reduction. Half of pierce will ignore this however, so in practice you don't really see much gain past 1-2k pv. There is the -damage dice roll as well, so it's not completely useless, but IIRC pierce is fully effective on that part.

Also, don't forget you can get pv bonuses from feats and ether diseases that scale with level too, and armor skill isn't capped, so you get + 2k-10k(junkie title)+ from that.

But yes, liches are pretty OP.

[Anonymous No.]

what does the defeat counter in your statsheet mean? what does it do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25172156
Highest-level enemy defeated iirc.

[Anonymous No.]

Does E+C have a function to display floating damage numbers and effects like OOMsest? It's such a great quality-of-life feature being able to see combat reports without having to constantly move your eyes back and forth between the character and the game log every single turn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25159067
Is there a way to ignore accuracy other than time stop?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25157320
>tfw no yandere farmer goddess

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>>25177218
Crits also ignore accuracy (though dual-wiold and multi-hit gets lowered crit rate), super armor removes weight penalty from accuracy, some spacts always hit and use your weapon skills for damage, some status effects can prevent/or reduce enemy from dodging like sleep, etc..

It's annoying to have to resort to these tactics for every fight, though.

[Anonymous No.]

So I read on the wiki AP is partially dependent on the total sum of your core attributes. Do people intentionally neglect certain (like maybe constitution or charisma) to improve AP farming in the end-game? Or is it simply not worth the effort to avoid training an entire attribute's worth of skills?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25182321
It's the base atributes, not the ones you increase.

[Anonymous No.]

When I set the game to fullscreen it sets a black box around the game, setting the resolution to 1920x1080 in the config file sets it to a max of 1920x868 and 868 seems to be the max setting. To get an actual full screen should I mess with my graphic settings on my pc or is there some kind of fix with elona. Certain I've managed it before somehow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25182321
AP is based on INI, INI is based on your stats at creation.
This means PCs and pets with complete dogshit stats at the start have Lance-tier potential, while divine gods that achieve apotheosis basically don't grow and get shit on soon enough by a retarded tourist snail throwing shit as his main method of attack.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25182448
On the other hand, pets with high INI usually don't need to grind AP for 800 speed, and their only drawback in the long run is that it costs a lot more gold to train them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25182321
>>25182448
AP is nice, but there are only a few purchases you can get before you just end up buying nothing but skill points. Maybe 10k total ap on speed/life/feats/skills tops. It's crazy fast to level skills anyway, especially in 1.995r. So, it's not a huge loss to miss out on some AP.

Just don't catch a capped pet and expect it to be good, but lvl 200 should be fine.

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>>25183227
Alternatively, you can always go to the secret temple of oblivion and let the high priestess of the world-devouring nightmare threatening the multiverse sacrifice your pet's power to it. Then your pet god will have low INI while keeping its special abilities.

[Anonymous No.]

What feats should I get for my shopkeeper? Proprietary sales seems the most useful, but I'm not sure between Elegance or Aesthetic Sense. Unless I've misread the wiki badly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25185480
It depends. I think AS is better for magic or smithy store, as it works with items that shopkeeper puts into the safe. And Elegance is better for food store as it lets you get rid of your goods faster.
And proprietary sale just gives you a small money trickle. With 1k negotiation it's what, 5-10K a day? Meh.

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>>25185480
The only benefit of proprietary sales is that your shop will make enough money to offset the taxes even if you neglect it. I guess it could make you feel less pressured, but realistically the taxes/profits are pretty negligible.

[Anonymous No.]

I know that pets get more speed from a Hermes potion than a player does, but is the same true for speed upper potions?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25040746
>imagine thinking wizard mode is not a valid way to play the game :(((

[Anonymous No.]

>>25052085
What's the mod that lets you see specific enchantment values?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25185480

Both Elegance and Aesthetic Sense. One straight-up increases the price of sold goods, the other makes customers come in with more money to spend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25196730
Custom, but you need this thing for it to work:
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Objet_of_heart

>>25196837
>straight-up increases the price of sold goods
I thought that only affected item trades and not cash purchases?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25196730
>>25197940
That's just a setting in oomsest. Custom hasn't been ported to oomsest.

[Anonymous No.]

Is this normal? I'm not sure if I should believe this so called detective.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25201764
Werewolf hands made this post.

[Anonymous No.]

I've played Elona, ElonaPlus (in 2013) and Elona Omake Overhaul (in 2016) in the past, and I recall that while I had a blast every time, I quickly burned out due to the grind required and cheese others suggested.
Is there some RP friendly variant that doesn't punish you for sticking to a character concept? I speak fluent Japanese so it doesn't need to be translated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25202862
Current Plus (1.995R) has a ridiculous leveling rate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25202862
There's Overdose mode in Plus if you want faster progression, and you can talk to an NPC at an area called Devil Cape to set the rates even higher if you want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25202862
You probably have the wrong mindset diving in this game. Elona have rather enjoyable and diverse grind, so instead of rushing ahead, enjoy the journey.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25201764
Excuse me? That detective put extensive work into that background check. Cezess the werewolf is most definitely a genuine human. Only a werewolf would try to claim otherwise..

[Anonymous No.]

>>25202862
>>25203752
>>25204057
I have the opposite problem: I love all of E+C's content, but I find the leveling speed to be ridiculous. For example, I picked up cooking, cooked a few medium-quality meals, and gained *multiple* attribute points per meal. Or I go to sleep, boom, 40% potential for all my skills.

Is there any setting I could use to turn down XP gain or something, so E+C doesn't feel like playing on cheat mode? Or do I just gotta use Elosnack to hack in a "Disturbs your growth" attribute on my gear?

[Anonymous No.]

is the museum really worth it? or is it only so if you have a bunch of unique npc figurines

[Anonymous No.]

Been out of the Elona scene for a while, what's the version everyone's playing nowadays?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25204955
For money-making, not really. In plus, it nets you some extra monthly platinum, and you'll need a place to dump all the unique figurines anyway.
>>25204998
Some people play 1.90 Custom G, some latest plus without custom, some OOMSEST.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25204998
If you want a long, difficult playthough in the tradition of vanilla Elona, play OOMsest. It's focused on adding more depth to the existing Elona with lots of neat game mechanics (like adventurers forming parties, exploring dungeons), but adds little "new" story content like characters and quests.

E+C on the other hand adds way more locations, storylines, and mobs -- but seems to have a focus on "add more types of stuff" rather than "add more depth and complexity to what's already there". Progression is also far faster, giving a broader (i.e., casual, or non-hardcore) appeal. And because the level cap is far higher than the game intended, it tends to have lots of ways to cheese the game and make it super-easy if you want that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25202862
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:30363

[Anonymous No.]

>>25205345
Which one is the most popular? That's usually a pretty good indicator of how good something is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25205513
>popular = better
fuck off normalfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>25205513
Plus is more popular, at least since it's fully translated and been around in english community a lot longer than Omake.
I think both are good, you'd have to try both to see which one you like better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25201764
It'd be normal from a werewolf detective. Nabsand there must just be clueless.
Has there ever been a screenshot of a detective saying a sunbararian "is most definitely a genuine human"?

[Anonymous No.]

<Let's Ragnarok!>

[Anonymous No.]

Is custom-g alive again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25209515
Nope. The dev said he'd look into porting g if custom was ported. But porting custom is a thing that only bloody shade and anna had the lack of sanity to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25209770
What happened to anna and bloodyshade? it's been a while

[Anonymous No.]

>>25209844
Anna married, left, returned for a month, then left again.

Bloodyshade said IRL stuff was getting in the way, and left the next day, taking his archives with him.


G dev did a test release of custom 1.90 as a proof of concept, but then stopped. He still checks his thread occasionally though.

Alfredo did a custom port to vanilla and OO, but then work ramped up as he was struggling with some bugs. He said(and has said again recently) that he's trying to make time to port custom to 1.995r.

Someone else has been working to port custom's translations to 1.995r, but the size of the code base seems to have crushed him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25203752
>>25204057
>>25204300
>>25205441
I probably shouldn't have complained about the grind because although it annoys me a little it's not my main beef with the game. What I wanted is a game that doesn't incentivize/expect/balance around exploits or certain skills, making it difficult to play the game if the character concept doesn't call for it.
I'll try ElonaPlus for now as recommended, the pastebin says its balance is somewhat skewed in favor to some builds over others but the variant seems popular enough to warrant playing it again at least to see what I like or dislike about it. Thanks all for the help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25212720
The pastebin is very out of date in a lot of ways. The better place for getting up to date info on builds is the discord.. That said, if you have any balance questions, ask.

Worth noting, almost nothing isn't perfectly adequate for beating every act. You pump yourself up just find with any build. Even stupid ones. There is truth to some builds just being a lot better, but it's not like you'll feel yourself being held back in some weird way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25212720
>What I wanted is a game that doesn't incentivize/expect/balance around exploits or certain skills
Ideally, you should take and master every skill. Do you have to? Probably not, but you'll be handicapped.
And as far as exploits go, plus dev usually goes out of his way to remove those, for better or for worse. Something like getting multiple Kumiromi statues is a feature at this point.
>making it difficult to play the game if the character concept doesn't call for it.
People do snail tourist runs, which is to say, you can play suboptimal build and catch up with the optimal build, all it will take is extra effort.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25216186
Thanks, I'll check it.
I didn't give a lot of specifics because my memory was failing me on the details. I think what bothered me most was my character growth stunting for some reason (high level? low potential?) and either requiring to grind through dozens of repetitive board quests for platinum coins and the advice I found on the internet being something along the lines of acquiring a sandbag, capturing a specific enemy and keep attacking it. I recall also having trouble leveling up my followers, I think it required tons of herbs and genetic modification skills.
>>25217567
Thanks for the input. Maybe it's just me unfairly recalling the worst parts of it, I'm going to play Elona+ next time I have a good amount of free time and see for myself.
What's with Kumiromi statues? Maybe it's because I never worshiped him but I don't recall anything about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25217645
Kumiromi statues are a permanent and reliable way of getting more herb seeds.

[Anonymous No.]

Is the endless dungeon present in oomest or it's a EL+ feature ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25217645
Kumiromi statue is a quest reward for one of the first quests you can take in act 2. It let you reliably get herb seeds which, with sufficient gardening, let you swim in stat increasing herbs.
The "exploit" with them is getting multiple statues with little sisters quest in cyberdome.

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>>25218512
You mean the Void? It's vanilla thing, the only thing plus changed was making it scale every 200 floors instead of every 50, since there's more enemy types in plus.
>>25217645
Your character will inevitably be stunted by low potentials, until you either invest a few hundred thousands gold coins in magic shops, or level alchemy to 30, to keep your potential superb.
If you're going to play plus, platinum grind in it is significantly reduced, there's more options to keep your potentials high early on, and sandbagging no longer gives any exp.

[Anonymous No.]

How important are pets in omake?

[Anonymous No.]

Which resistances are the most important to keep high? I would imagine the main three elements and magic first, but what after them is the most common and dangerous?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25212720
Pick three skills, and focus all your resources on those be they platinum, skill points, etc.
Don't try to max all skills, don't grind, just do what your three skills benefit from.
Ignore your autism.

I'm in the middle of a basic bitch playthrough, and i focus on tactics, dual-wield, and staff.
I'm just chaining hunting quests and dungeons, having the time of my life.
I'm not trying to max out all my spell, i'm not trying to start an herb farm, i'm not trying to hunt music tickets, i'm not bothering with managing pets*, i'm just bashing things with my staves on the head repeatedly.

*Holy shit i never liked managing pets, in any games. Black and white's creature was so obnoxious, i literally deleted its graphics to turn it into an immobile thing that can't do anything, restoring them when the quests needed the creature. You can also play without creatures, both yours and the others gods, by starting a battle map before getting the creature, awesome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25222685

Magic, nerve, and chaos, followed by darkness, fire, cold, and lightning.

Magic lowers the damage, and therefore the strength of status effects, of all other elemental damage. It also decreases the chance of getting hexed and reduces the duration and power of any hexes that do land. Innate magic resistance with no drawbacks is why the Eulderna race is underrated.

Nerve, chaos, and to a lesser extent darkness is also important since the former two can paralyze you and render you helpless (chaos can also put you to sleep or blind you) while darkness inflicts blindness. Of course, gear that prevents status effects exist but they don't exactly grow on trees and they can be lost or made obsolete by better gear.

Finally, fire/ice/lightning is important because they hit hard, fire and ice can destroy your items (and cost you charges on your blankets) and lightning can also paralyze you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25222159
Pets are both very important, and entirely ignorable. There's a lot of oomake/oomsest specific bet boost to make the useful in combat. My favorite is that zombies turn killed npcs into allied zombies 1-3x the level of the killed npc. Pets also leach xp from each other too, so if one gains cons, the rest of the active party gets a smaller amount of cons xp.

However, even ignoring combat you can give your pets jobs. In addition to shopkeeper, they can cook/craft at home, search around the world for materials, steal materials in derphy, trade turnips it yowyn for cash, work as a geneticist at your ranches to improve breed rates, etc. These still take up party slots even though they aren't traveling with you.

Having said that, you can just ignore pets out-right if you don't want them. The only huge problem that will cause will be if you want to farm infinite mats. Both passive gain and MMM require pets. There's still the old fashioned way to get mats though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25225921
Magic resistance doesn't affect the elemental power, only the damage. So you still need each element to resist the status effects.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25226139
MMM?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25226952
It's an Omake thing. Mani gives you materials when you disarm a trap, so you use a mine dog to grind materials. I forget what the third 'M' is for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25227216
Mani Material Mining

[Anonymous No.]

Hey I'm getting back to the game and is playing Omake on a laptop, how do you aim on laptop? You do not have the convenient * here

[Anonymous No.]

Started playing while worshipping opatos for less squishiness, and it seems i can't take damage from starvation.
Mighty convenient.

[Anonymous No.]

My only goal is to acquire a harem of the finest wives so I can show off to Raphael and make him jealous, but choosing which god pet is cutest is hard...

[Anonymous No.]

>>25234474
evolved cute fairy and black cat are the best

[Anonymous No.]

>>25233644
you do, just fn lock your keyboard

[Anonymous No.]

>>25233644
"l" on your keyboard (lowercase L) is another kind of targeting.

[Anonymous No.]

>there's still no omake version/mode integrated into plus
Cringe

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a method of increased your pets cooking skill other than having them cook breakfast every day?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25240583
ap skill points
hamburgers

[Anonymous No.]

>>25238557
...They are seperate developers, bro.

[Anonymous No.]

how lucky

[Anonymous No.]

>>25240583
It's not ideal, but a guaranteed way to get lots of cooking XP is to unleash aliens at the little sisters mansion, and pick up the endless numbers of cooking knives there. Then use inferior material scrolls to convert them into candy and feed them to whomever.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone know what dark/devil fragments are supposed to do? The wiki isn't really telling me much (unless the info on them is tucked away in one with a non-obvious page title).

[Anonymous No.]

>>25246184
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Changelog_(Elona%2B)/1.80_-_1.89#1.84:_detailed_changelog
>In the future, a number of these can be used to learn stuff like special actions that activate traps.
>For now, it's only good for selling off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25238557
The two are inherently compatible. E+ (especially with custom) are all about super-fast progression and having everything cheat and easy (de-cursing, item identification, etc). OOMsest meanwhile follows the original lineage of Elona in that it's designed to be a much more brutal, grindy, and perhaps unfair -- as is roguelike tradition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25246873
You probably missed how traditional™ roguelike DCSS removed food altogether in last version for extra brutality, unfairness and grind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25247314
>they finally did it
Those bastards. I knew it was coming, I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25247314
Kek. Time for my yearly visit to SA Forums to see how goons are going to defend that one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25037947
Pastebin anon here, once again on public wifi to get around the retarded ban my provider has.
Just wanted to ask all you anons what you would like added/removed from the bin?

I honestly haven't had as much time to PLAY as I would like for a while, but I try to keep the most recent + version links up and would like to make sure the pastebin remains useful for everyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25247314
Isn't DCSS that game where the "it's bloat" meme comes from ?
What's the rational for seeing fucking food bloat ?
What next, equipment is bloat ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25249680
Hunger and food mechanics were removed and replaced by a hidden clock that rewinds some every time you descend a floor but if you take too many turns on any given floor or branch it just straight up kills you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25250138
Sounds like hell.

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>>25250138
That sounds way more hardcore than food was.

[Anonymous No.]

NEW THREAD

>>302331068
>>302331068
>>302331068

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>>25251104
Wait

This isn't /rlg/

Fuck, sorry

[Anonymous No.]

>>25251127
I just want you to know that you've really disappointed me today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25243855
Nice find. I've had 30 or so living weapons and never one with that.
>>25241695
Thanks
>>25246165
This is the hilarious shit I love about this game, should have enough inferior material scrolls to make this work. Thanks

[Anonymous No.]

Wait, nevermind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25251433
Don't forget to x * that beauty.
it'd be a shame to eat it.

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>>25250138
>this_can't_be_real.jpg
>goto devblog
>"malevolent chronology of Zot"
>it's real
I didn't think they could top removing the ability for vampires to drink blood, but I think this might just do the trick.

[Anonymous No.]

Which AP feats do you think are the best?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25250138
No fucking way. That is the most anti-fun mechanic I've ever heard of.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25255312
WELCOME TO DCSS, FUCKBOI

[Anonymous No.]

>>25255150
The AT field and the one that lets you avoid critical hits.

[Anonymous No.]

What happens when you dual-wield weapons that aren't the prerequisite weight to activate the dual-wield skill? Does the game treat the same as a single-weapon attack (but twice) with none of the penalties associated with dual-wielding? Or do you just get all the penalties with none of the advantages of the dual-wielding skill applying?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25268180
You keep on dual-wielding and your skill still applies, it's just that you get accuracy penalty on top of all it. Can't tell the exact numbers, just id and wield the next iron claymore you stumble across.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25251433
that's pretty nice, I'm trying to look for a grenade or gravity sphere invoke myself. Though I can just make grenades i guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>25263007
>At field
you mean mana barrier?

[Anonymous No.]

Can I gain more AP by ridding a bell?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25276843
No. Only your initial AP/stats from character creation (or ob palace) affect AP gain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25276843
Get your stats at character creation as low as you can and let your pet do the heavy lifting at first

[Anonymous No.]

Is the X Defense line of feat still shit on ElonaPlus?
I read the changelog and didn't find anything about it but I can't believe a dev aiming to balance the game wouldn't fix it after so many years.

[Anonymous No.]

I recall reading somewhere that some people pickpocket fruit trees for their farm. Is this true? And if so, is there a trick to it? Since trees are normally too heavy to pickpocket.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25289431
you can pickpocket anything that weights half your strength even with pickpocket lvl 1, except for precious stuff

[Anonymous No.]

When is 2.0 coming out

I can't play Elona until version 2.0 comes out, my autism won't allow it

[Anonymous No.]

>>25289693
Some time after 1.999, unless we go 1.999a way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25289722
Please no

[Anonymous No.]

Assuming you have the "can digest rotten food" feat from equipment, what are the drawbacks of eating rotten food/meals? Do they have less or no ability to boost attribute when eaten, or something?

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>>25290256

With the can digest rotten food ability your PC's body treats the food as though it was fresh and that's pretty much it. Good if you have more food than space in your freezer, but doesn't help you if you want to share the food with a pet.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to speed up pet training on Elona+? I've been knock outing enemies and letting the pet kill it for XP but it takes forever. It's still at level 4 yet the grind is becoming unbearable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25298454
If you just want to give it levels, gene engineer things into it that are higher level.

[Anonymous No.]

I can use a version 1.90 sheet on a 1.88 version as long as its the same amount of rows,correct?

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>>25298750
Is there an NPC that can do that for me or do I have to do it?

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>>25298772
Sure, it doesn't matter what's in placeholder slots.

>>25298794
You have to do it. Buy horses, fuse horses into horses, level fast.

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>>25298454
exp you get for killing enemies is cubic function of its level, meaning it's jackshit until enemy level 200+.
On low levels, either gene engeneer other pets into it like other anon said, or let it train the usual way by leveling up skills. For that, gene engeneer as many skills as you can into pet and give it some ores or flowers to sell (pet sells them at full price), so it can automatically visit trainer in town.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25299104
>>25299390
I think I'm going with the second method of handing ores and flowers, I barely understand the basic system of this game so I don't really want to get involved with another subsystem...

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>>25299580
Your pet only gets more hp and mp from levels anyway. The bulk of combat power comes from skill levels, and it needs to fight to get these.
And don't forget that you can feed your pet. Food in this game train stats, and pets get a lot more stat gains from food.

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>>25298454

Use Gene Engineering and the Slave Master in Derphy to put lots of skills in your pet; you definitely want to get the Traveling skill for both yourself and all of your pets.

Then you need to start proccing skill gains from Traveling. You do that by moving on the world map (1 tile = 4 miles) and then enter any town or your house once you've Traveled at least 300 miles. Everyone in your party that has Traveling will gain experience to random skills; the more miles the greater the effect.

Traveling also lets you spend less time moving on the world map as it increases in skill, so there's plenty of incentive to keep tossing plat into it. Though you can shave off travel times massively by buying a deed of truck and then sticking to roads.

>>25299821
>And don't forget that you can feed your pet. Food in this game train stats, and pets get a lot more stat gains from food.

Herb in a cooked dish and then share it with your pet, because why not also benefit?

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>>25298772
Dev sometimes changes what sprites are in what positions, but at worst that can make a chicken look like a butler or something. Don't worry about it.

[Anonymous No.]

FUUUCK
WHY
I was so fucking careful.
And then i HAD TO FUCKING EAT THE UNIDENTIFIED PILE OF CRAP
AND VOMIT REPEATEDLY BECAUSE IT WAS CURSED
AND DIE
And all for what ? Saving up 140gold, the fucking innkeeper was 10 TILES AWAY

I even had gotten two wishes, one for resetting the feats and one for a justice staff.
I am so tired. I always die these stupid retarded deaths when i do hardcore runs.
Even when i die in combat, it's still retarded.
"Ok, that room of nether hounds will probably kill me, since i have no nether resistance. But if i lure them carefully, i'll get the useless shit laying on the ground below them."

[Anonymous No.]

I got this from a dream a while back, but now I'm reading on the wiki that:
>It's almost 600 MP and 40% chance at Casting level 100, and in betas since 1.17, the chance goes **down** as the spell levels!

Is this true for the latest Elona+? How can I verify? Did I basically fuck up by using the points from leveling and Witchcraft scrolls? With 79 in Casting and the Warmage class feat I should have somewhere around 30% success chance IF the spell was lvl 1, but I'm at 1%.

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>>25307638
Spell stock usage lowers with spell level, up to 300.
So it's not a fuck up.
Unless you wanted these wish now and not laater, then you fucked up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25039088
Make her worship Mani.

[Anonymous No.]

Can anyone spoonfeed me on what to do in Omake/Oomsest early game? I'm a plusfag and I keep getting my ass kicked now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25309094
I mean, it really depends the build. I'd recommend either a spellcasters for someone struggling. They are comparatively more powerful for two reasons:

1) The Devour ability. If you get an enemy to low HP (like when trying to using a capture ball), you can use this to eat them up. This gives you similar boosts as eating their corpse -- but in addition, also lets you absorb spell charges for whatever spells they have. So you're far less restricted by spellbook availability than in other Elona variants.

2) Custom spellmaking. This is more an end-game thing, so it won't really help you in the early game much. But it'll help later, supposedly.

Another option to try is a super-charisma character instead of a spellcaster. The sister race combined with idol or prostitute can pull in ~5000 G per sleep with a client, which you can use to farm tons and tons of gold. Which in turn can make your life easier by getting you by BUYING ALL THE THINGS. (For reference on my Idol character, I hit a half-million gold before level 10 by focusing on that. Let me buy plenty of artifacts to make life easier.) And joining the Prostitute Guild let me get platinum coins while doing it, and cheap booze to make things even easier. (If you hit a high enough rank, you don't even need booze to proposition clients anymore).

[Anonymous No.]

any oomsest guides? I was thinking of making a slut character but I don't know what class/skills I should pick

[Anonymous No.]

>>25312677
>https://pastebin.com/FDv2ATAa

[Anonymous No.]

>>25312677
While a whore run sounds like it might be entertaining, it gets stale fast. Sex mechanics are hardly more developed than they are in vanilla Elona. As for strategy, there's not much strategy needed to prostitute. The cost (alcohol) is a tiny fraction of the gold reward, and there's no risk -- so having low skill doesn't mean you'll "fail" or anything. So much so that it's not even worth taking the whore line of feats even if you primarily whore.

In South Tyris there's a prostitute guild which you can join, and you take missions to get one or two platinum pieces every few ten-thousand gold you earn from whoring. But given the drastically higher platinum costs for learning skills (they start at 15, instead of 5 like in E+), that's not saying much.

Like in vanilla, the main limitation on whoring is karma. But it's easier than in E+ since you can trade inventories with anyone (not just adventurers), so those "I want it!" quests no longer require any risk or skill that's involved pickpocketing townsfolk. Between that and cooking to do cooking quests, you should be able to get a steady flow of karma to offset your losses.

If you must go whoring, the Sister race provides a very powerful start but slow growth (few learned skills, no potential except charisma). Otherwise aim for a more conventional race with a lot more learned skill. Fairy is another good choice; unlike in E+, the agility/PV bonuses scale up with level, so remain quite potent after the early-game.

For class, I'd actually recommend Idol rather than Prostitute. This lets your character effectively have two primary sources of income (party missions and whoring) instead of just one. And it's not like you really need the Prositute's starting whoring feats since idols already start out with a high Charisma.

[Anonymous No.]

Newbie question:
1) What's the best use for a blessed love potion?
2) Does the special ability you get from a god has any cost beside SP? I know praying consumes 15% favor so it's a last ditch option, but what about the normal ability that you get? Lulwy's Trick seems quite powerful for its SP cost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25314528
You need to specify what game variant you're playing. The costs of miracle powers -- and sometimes their entire function -- can be entirely different from one variant of Elona to another.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25314964
Sorry, it's the latest Elona Plus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25314973
Concerning cost: Not that I'm aware. The wiki doesn't say anything about it anyway, as far as Lulwy's Trick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25315072
Good to know, I avoided using it so far fearing it could have unintentioned side effects.
What about the love potion, is there some clever way of using it?

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>>25315185
"clever"? You mean besides mixing it with food to boost affection? Give drugged food to your favorite merchant (if you don't want to do a lot of whoring, at least), to boost rep and decrease prices. Alternatively, feed to pets, since E+ has a few things that require sufficient standing with a pet (snoo-snoo, morning after breakfast cooking, and obedience).

[Anonymous No.]

Where are y'all getting these good evochat pictures? I've found a few in the pastebin and cropped a couple I found online, but I'm guessing people get them from VNs given the size and general aesthetic.

With that being said, any recommendations?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25315465
Maybe clever was not the best word. What I mean is that Elona items always seems to have some not so obvious uses that makes me regret for throwing it away, selling or ignoring it (water, jewels, food).

[Anonymous No.]

>>25315531
Evochat pictures? As someone who doesn't use evochat, what are you referring to? The character profile pictures (80x112 pixels), or the PCCs (animated moving character sprites the player uses), or something else?

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>>25315531
>>25315698
Oh wait, you're talking about that emotive profile pictures when talking to pets. I thought you meant the online chat feature for some reason.

I believe the beautify graphics pack comes with a dozen or so for a number of vanilla gods and god pets (four per template, showing different emotions). I've seen others not in the beautify pack, so I can't help you there.

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>>25315850
Yeah I meant the emotive ones. I do like the gods/godpets in the beautify but IIRC they just have the same face for each emotion, and I'm not quite good enough to MSPaint something presentable onto their heads.

Still, I've got a friend that plays a lot of visual novels, so if I get some good ones I could compile 'em into a .rar or whatever for the pastebin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25299821
>it needs to fight to get these
unless you can find a sandbag

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>>25316295
I found these sets in one of my old Elona folders; from like two years ago, so I have no idea where it came from. But for some reason it's got more variants than the one bundled with the beautify pack. Only contains the putit and foxboy, however.

https://imgur.com/a/qRGzjnf

[Anonymous No.]

Got to level 200 in the crafting skills and when I do the making recipes with the fusion pot I get 3 items now instead of 2, is there a limit to this or will I get 10 items at level 1000?

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know what sprite numbers are reserved for adventurers' sprites? I know a handful are recycled (e.g., used both for adventurers and trainers), but not sure about the rest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25305657
Sounds like you have a terminal case of terrible decision making based on greed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25316549
Oh shit, thanks bro.
It's strange that they'd only give you a putit and foxboy by default. I guess they want you to customize that stuff though.

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>>25315614
>>25315185
>>25314528

Love potions are only good for mind controlling pets/potential pets. The affection boost caps out really low too, so it's not very good for ALP either. I guess you could use it to get eggs/milk? But those aren't particularly useful either, especially since plus nerfed eggs.

>>25316429
That requires either g or non-plus variants. It's easier to get a sandbag npc for the custom pet arena. Gives more xp too, since even vanilla/g/omake have lower xp from sandbagged stuff. I know MK made a sandbagger pet with that jure weapon, susamata with -400 damage, if anyone wants to try finding it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25318570
Also, it looks like imgur purged the original file names. Use this as a guide for what they're supposed to be named.

They go in the Elona/user/graphic2 folder. Or at least they did in my two-year-old version of Elona.

[Anonymous No.]

It's been a while since I last played, is the etrian odyssey soundpack still usable?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25320859
It most likely misses some act 3 tracks. Either get something up to date, or compare musiclist.txt with https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Custom_music and add missing tracks yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to remove the pumpkin type enemies from the game (plus)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25321228
Shoot them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25321228
Buy sages helm at dorf workshop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25321228

Duplicane rods of bubble ball. Liquid Manipulation + any potion that isn't gasoline or Essential Oil. Pets and/or coffin undeads.

[Anonymous No.]

OK so I happened to find an Astral Pen before clearing the first act, is there an easy way to raise Gwen's relationship to use it on her?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25325198
Kill + resurrect. Non-allied npcs don't lose impress on death, but gain impress when you resurrect them. This effect is uncapped.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25313146
He asked for a guide, not a shitty pastebin that offers no information, retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25202862 here. Did Plus increase the availability of Happy Bed? I got 4 in a row but I ctrl+f on the changelog revealed nothing.

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>>25328865
Nevermind, the english wiki mentions it has 1/14 chance of dropping the bed. I've ever only used the Japanese one and it doesn't mention anything, my bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25328941
>>25328865

Back in the 1.6 to 1.7 era, ano added a rare loot trigger that reset when you exited without saving.

When it is enabled, rare loot is x10 as common. When it is disabled, rare loot is x0 as common.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25329006
I suppose that trigger is eventually enable again? I've exited the game without saving when testing how ranchs works (I was trying to find out how slaughter works, apparently it's just plain old attacking?) but I got two beds after that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25329150
Yeah, it resets after some time playing normally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25329150
>>25329863
There is an option in both OOMsest and E+C to disable the anti-savescumming thing if you really want to, however.

[Anonymous No.]

How do player shops handle piles of times? For example, if I just dump a bunch of equipment in one tile, does it still sell individually or as a set? Ditto for stacks of items like scrolls or potions; do they sell individually or does a single sale get rid of the entire stack?

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>>25331304
OOMsest doesn't have anti-save scumming anything. You can select different levels of auto-save though.

>>25331701
If they stack as a single item x 5 or something, then it can sell as a stack. Otherwise it's treated as an individual item.

[Anonymous No.]

Does Ensemble work with Stradivarius?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25325999
OK so do I do this with Books of Resurrection or is there an easier way? Is there an easy way to gather them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25332827
no

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>>25333342
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29/1.80_-_1.89#1.83:_detailed_changelog
>Cemetery
>Mining will yield large bouquet, rag doll, coffin, and rarely book of resurrection.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25335694
Thanks, didn't think to check the changelogs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25332827
Ensemble doesn't use and doesn't need any instrument.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25333342
There's resurrection spell you can get from dreams or scrolls of wonder. Not really the early game pastime, but you can gather a stack of scrolls of wonder, bless and read all at once for a chance to get non-book spells, like meteor or spirit summoning.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a comprehensive list of the unique skills some classes get in Omake?

[Anonymous No.]

is there a reason not to grab "negative" feats like chaste, lifelong bachelor, bad communication, etc

marriage and genes seem like the most useless mechanic

[Anonymous No.]

How come there's no character sprite packs for all of the different races. That's the biggest bullshit in this game. Making a snail and then having the sprite be a human is fucking stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25341786
I bet there's PCCs for standard races, burried somewhere on elonauploaded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25340135
Vendors' impress affect prices, so bad communicator would be bad early on, though makes no difference later on.
Genes means you don't have to level again your hammer or perfect living weapon, so lifetime vow would be a case of "oh god why did i do that" later on maybe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25339423
>unique skills
There are no unique skills unless you actually mean feats, special actions, or something else. And it's all on the wiki like almost everything else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25341786
Then you'd need to produce 5-10 times the number of PCC graphic sets for each piece of visible equipment, to make sure it stays on the different sized sprites as they move. Between that, and the fact the PCC sprite is already limited to a tiny 32x48 box (and that's the newer, enlarged PCCs, never mind the older default sized ones), the amount of graphical improvement you could squeeze out for all that work is really limited.

If you really feel so strongly about it, do it yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25343297
You can disable equipment graphics with dresser to make life easier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25343540
I'm surprised there are people who don't do this. Seems like it'd be mandatory for autistic OCs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25343124

They probably mean stuff like idol gets singing, warmage gets enchant, claymore gets boost, etc.

>>25339423

There's no list of those IIRC, at least on the english wikis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25339423
>>25344513
>There's no list of those IIRC, at least on the english wikis.
That's because there *aren't* any class-unique feats in Omake, at least as far as I know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25344785
Not feats, but some spacts.
Enchant is a warmage exclusive, decapitation for samurai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25337365

Even better, once you've managed to get enough scrolls of wonder they become outright superior to spellbooks for getting more stocks of a spell even if only a small fraction of the stack yields the spell you'd really want simply because they give a flat 200 stock regardless of how much stock you already have. At that point, reading spellbooks is only really good for training Memorization and Literacy (and said skills of your pets if you use Reading Party).

>>25337316

It also adds half of your pet's Performer skill to your own when Performing, so so long as you keep feeding them gold to train they'll definitely end up paying for themselves even in very high rank Party Time quests.

>>25343048

Trigger Happy could be quite livable if you, well, shoot things every once in a while. Doesn't matter if it's a rabbit or a dinosaur or Zeome himself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25348997
"once in a while". Very optimistic, like so many who failed before you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25349097

...not really? All it takes to get some targets is the nearest wilderness square or a Hunting quest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25359628

Really. Everyone I've seen take that feat rage quit.

[Anonymous No.]

The claws ether disease in oomsest is pretty dank.
And by dank, i mean "oh god i am bathing in the blood of my enemies this is a good pain".

[Anonymous No.]

>>25391124

These can hang out on page 10 for a long time, but it's still over. MIGRATE.