/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Why do Japs have such a hard time denying war crimes compared to the germans?

[Anonymous No.]

it's a matter of honor and dignity

[Anonymous No.]

Why do Americans have such a hard time denying war crimes compared to the germans?

[Anonymous No.]

Are you suggesting Germans have an easy time denying war crimes?

[Anonymous No.]

Japan is a culture with a heavy emphasis on shame and saving face.

[Anonymous No.]

Many Germans were disapproving of Hitler's actions during the war.

[Anonymous of Croatia !na1byG1GU. No.]

>>2502892
America killed more people then japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2502900
A high body count isn't the same thing as committing war crimes. It's the whole torture and whatnot that's the problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2502900

Croatia killed more slavs than America.

[Anonymous No.]

Why do italians have such a hard time denying war crimes compared to the japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2502900
Wow. You need to open up a history book.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2502914

Eh, slavs are subhuman anyway. More like culling the herd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2502900
Germany killed more people than America.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2502928
Russia killed more people than Germany.

[Anonymous No.]

America did a rush job in trying to rehabilitate the people due to the need to have Japan as an ally in the cold war. MacArthur also pardoned Hirohito, Unit 731 and the guy responsible for Bataan.

[Anonymous of Croatia !na1byG1GU. No.]

>>2502922
Hey you too, remember WWII you killed japs and germans and then the vietnam war and korean war then the wars you had now.

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>>2502883
Germany killed 6000000 jewish people.

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[Anonymous of Croatia !na1byG1GU. No.]

>>2502949
Yes and?

[Anonymous No.]

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[Anonymous No.]

Because unlike Germany they do not have laws against denying said war crimes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2502919

Honestly, I think we were among the first to own up to our wartime misdeeds. What particularly bugs me however is that we weren't excused from having to hand out reparations to all those formerly "oppressed" countries like Gaddafi's Lybia.

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[Anonymous No.]

Because the Americans bailed them by saying nothing as witnesses.

[Anonymous No.]

One word: Butthurt. Some of the postwar lot still think they were trying to liberate Asia from the white man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2502953
Germany did holocaust. They were planning annihilate a specific race.
Japan just killed the enemeies just like America did.
And denying war crimes just like America.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2502980

America never killed civilians in a deliberate systematic manner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2502984

How about Hiroshima&Nagasaki, Tokyo firebombing?

[Anonymous No.]

Because the Germans had a REPUTATION to keep if it wanted to stay in Europe with all the other western nations, whereas Japan was the only relevant power in Asia at the time

The Germans knew that in order to get their lives back on track they had to distance themselves from the Nazi-ism pronto, whereas it wasn't really a priority in Japan so the mentality never set in.

[Aoko Aozaki !WU0xSUGOI6 No.]

>>2502984

Yes they were just collateral damage.

Also you generally don't have the desire to oppress and murder civilian populations unless you're forcibly holding their land and stripping them of self-determination (which came naturally in the forming of the so called Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere).

America might have done the same, if only there was an example of America being a brutal colonial hegemon...

[None !Nipaa0mi0. No.]

>>2502962
You never really paid the reparations though.

[Historian. !b6Jq6KEjMo No.]

>>2502984
0/10

Americans were part of the Dresden operation, and took part in attempts to systematically replicate it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503157

Dresden had strategic value as a target.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

When it comes to recognising war crimes, the human brain suddenly goes on vacation.

I'd like to take this moment to mention Macedonia is the only country to recognise and condemn the atrocities committed by the Macedon army under the leadership of Alexander the Terrible (known as Alexander the Great outside Macedonia).

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503172
>Dresden had strategic value as a target
Not as a military one.

[Anonymous No.]

Realistically, both of these sets of war crimes are the fault of the French and British. If they had forgiven Germany for their part in WWI like the USA had advised them to instead of taking massive reparations Germany would not have gone into such a massive depression. This would in part keep the anti-semitism at a much lower level in the Germanic areas where Hitler would later come to power blaming the depression on the Jews. Without this there would likely have not been a second world war, or at least not one worth fighting (actually, the Russians might have just steam rolled EU for shits and giggles instead, and said fuck it to the Fins).

Also, Germany wasn't trying to wipe out ONE race, they were trying to wipe out everything that wasn't Aryan ideal. This included gays, slavics, ect ....

[Aoko Aozaki !WU0xSUGOI6 No.]

>>2503172

So did the peasant villages in Henan province (They were assisting CCP insurgents).

[Anonymous No.]

>>2502980
>>Japan just killed the enemeies just like America did.

Death rates of POWs held by Axis powers
-Chinese POWs held by Japan: > 99%

Death rates of POWs held by the Allies
-German POWs in American hands 0.15%[

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503208
German camps weren't too bad either. Russian, Chinese, and Japanese ones though ... those were really bad.

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>>2503154

Actually, we did but the payments had constantly been pushed back to a later date until today.
Just some months ago we reached a compromise with Lybia in regard to wartime compensations, after they had been nagging us about it for decades, and in short we agreed we would donate them $6 billion over the course of 20 years under the promise that they wouldn't be playing tricks on us with gas supplying.
Oh, and if you ask me I consider having to waste money to return the Obelisk of Axum to Ethiopia, of all places, part of those overdue reparations too.

[Aoko Aozaki !WU0xSUGOI6 No.]

>>2503198

I'm curious have you read A.J.P. Taylor's "The Origins of The Second World War"?

Because that point sounds a lot like his and his thesis has been throughly debunked as revisionist nonsense, playing the devil's advocate for the sake of it.

It was not one factor it was every factor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503198
>>actually, the Russians might have just steam rolled EU for shits and giggles instead

Fuck yeah

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503215
No, I kind of just came up with the theory throwing together a bunch of different things I was reading from different books. Though its good to know that it the assumption is incorrect.

[Anonymous No.]

Soviet&China are so weak.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503230
Why is Soviet Union listed only as Allies? Also, there are more Axis countries than that.

[Anonymous No.]

The Proud of the USA

-Wounded Knee Massacre
-Canicattì slaughter:
-Chenogne massacre
-Dachau massacre
-Biscari massacre
-Salina Utah POW massacre
-My Lai
-Fallujah massacre
-Mahmudiyah killings

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

Also, why is it the losers always have most the cool stuff?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503177
Nice one.
Those MACE DONALDS would even rape their own mothers if they thought it would make the world believe they're ancestors of Alexander.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503240

Is it supposed to be a Yamato or a Littorio?

[Anonymous No.]

Talking about the Yamato I had this sitting in my niconico fav...

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm6690810

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>2503242

>ancestors of Alexander.

That'd be very impressive indeed considering the guy's been dead for 2000 years.

[Aoko Aozaki !WU0xSUGOI6 No.]

>>2503224

Though that school of thought is debunked that doesn't mean that it doesn't contain some truth. It's very agreeable that the way that the Great War ended and the conditions set by Versailles conference set the stage for the Second World War.

Taking that information and extrapolating it to absolutes however is a bad way to describe history, there was over 20 years of european history that contributed to reaching the point where what we know as World War 2 happened.

It takes two to tango, so they say.

[Anonymous No.]

Those US soldiers who raped that ten year old girl while killing her family in front of her were pretty cool, I would like to shake their hands.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503255

Yeah, we hoped gonna see them in the deepest pits of hell.

[Anonymous No.]

in b4 nanking?

[Anonymous No.]

>If they had forgiven Germany for their part in WWI like the USA had advised them

Hahaha, oh wow.

Someone hasn't read Wilson's 14 Points, huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503255
I think I played that. Ayumarine 707R, right?

[Anonymous No.]

At the very least, American forces have never been accused of cannibalism. Sorry Japs.

[Aoko Aozaki !WU0xSUGOI6 No.]

>>2503289

I'm going to link it for him to further his understanding of the settlements.

http://wwi.lib.byu.edu/index.php/President_Wilson%27s_Fourteen_Points

It's not like it was very important in understanding the situation in Europe since he was addressing congress not Versailles, it was probably in practice little more then assuring his own nation that their participation was for a moral good and the main point of it was to respect self-determination (ironically not even the Americans did this).

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503242
I see your point.
But LOL.

[Anonymous No.]

germans fucked with white people

japs killed monkey faced chinks

which is a greater crime, you figure it out

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503329

American soldiers, like, totally cannibalized the Germans.

There, they have been now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503361

Trick question: they're both equally despicable crimes.

[Anonymous No.]

Doesn't matter. If the Abe comfort women scandal revealed anything, its that they cant revise history without Washington's permission.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2502883

Because Japan is the best country in the world.
They don't need to admit anything you mothzerfuckin OP!

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503384
You're despicable!

[Anonymous No.]

BTW, What /jp/ think about newest HBO Band of Brother 'The Pacific'?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503504
I don't know
I don't watch TV

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503504
I watched Band of Brothers for the Nazis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503504

William Sadler as Chesty Puller. Fuck Yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck the Allies. Japan fought to get rid of Western colonialism and Communism. Imperial Japan was awesome, and I don't see why the Jew loving, mass murdering Allies were the good guys. I mean, among Japan's "war crimes" (as they are called by self-hating liberal scum), they actually include bombing Chinese cities, yet the Allied mass firebombings of citites in Germany and Japan are portrayed as downright heroic. Fuck the Jews, colonialists, and commies. Hideki Tojo was a hero.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2502883

The germans went through denazification.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification

The Japs didnt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503546
Weeaboo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503546
You can't fool me anon
:3c

[Anonymous No.]

Japan has apologized over 9000 times to Korea and China already.
What do they want? Daily apology act by Japan?

The turks and the mongols did a lot of things against Eastern Europe and they are not apologizing daily.

Heck, the Stalin made even worse things on Ukraine and you don't see Putin apologizing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2502883

You forget that Japan has a "culture of shame"
What this means is that to admit to war crimes would bring shame to the country as a whole. This of course would be worse than death.
People know what happened (allies and Japanese alike), but there is just too much shame associated with them so the Japanese try to play atrocities down by labeling them as "incidents" or deny them period.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503594

The problem is racist Japanese nationalist politician still regarded the Chinese and the Korean in the same way Hitler regarded about jews.

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>>2503608
lol. you play the hypocrite. everybody knows that white race hate jews.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503546

Okay I'll play along,

We are the winners, we can dictate what is said about us and the losers, if the Imperialists didn't like us that much they should have just try harder to win the war themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503614
But jews are white.

[Aoko Aozaki !WU0xSUGOI6 No.]

>>2503594

The only one of those even remotely comparable to Japan is Russia-Ukraine and there is lots of anti-russian sentiment there (orange revolution anyone?)

Maybe it's just the focus that whatever you're reading puts into east-asian issues that makes it seem like the others don't exist. Also why shouldn't Putin apologize considering how fuckery in the Ukraine continued when he was in power?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503616
They strapped themselves into planes that were essentially flying expplosives and killed themselves hoping to take out as much of the enemy as possible.

Certainly that gives them an A+ for effort?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503594

Declassification of all documents regarding the War in the Pacific. I want to know if the Unit 731 guy really moved to Maryland.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503616
Who are "we"? CCP and Korea DID NOT win against Japan. Especialy Korean fought against Chinese and white people as Korean Japanese. and they are the people who DO propaganda against Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503618
lol no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503546

Ugh. I'll bite.

>>Japan fought to get rid of Western colonialism.

Yeah and replace it with Japanese colonialism. the faces would have changed from white to yellow but the status quo would have remained.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503628
Not really. That was actually what cost them the war.
All other countries had the simple policy of having veteran (preferably ace) pilots teaching the greenhorns. Japan kept their aces in battle until they died.
Near the war's end Japan had no veteran pilots. They actually had more jet aircraft than Germany did, but nobody in Japan was capable of flying them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503634
Next you'll tell me this guy isn't green.

[Anonymous No.]

It's your own fault that your nation didn't follow along with Westernization in the 1700-1800's thanks to your bullshit Confucian way of life. Same with Corea, which was just China's bitch back then.
If you chinks and gooks did something about equaling Western powers by using their knowledge to better yourselves, as the Japanese did during the Meiji Era, you wouldn't have been walked all over by the rest of the world. Blame yourself for what happened to your people due to your ancestors idiocy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2502949
did it go up to 6 million now?
it was 4 in my time^^v

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503594
< ｀∀´> WE DEMAND APOLOJUICE, NIDA!

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503645
lol. are you white or jew? It is so obvious that white men DO NOT treat jew as white. Who made this pic? Do you think Japanese made it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503618
laughingelfman.jpg

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503667
It was made by a retard. What would any other details matter?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503667
White or jewish?
What is this I don't even.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503673
LOL. you already know that white men are full of retards.

[Aoko Aozaki !WU0xSUGOI6 No.]

>>2503630

The CCP were defeated? CCP and the nationalist GMD continued to fight the war against Japan from inner provinces that the japanese never occupied. Ever since the Long March the CCP never left the province of Henan which was a bit too far outside the reach of the Japanese who could only manage to hold the coastline provinces.

A lot of people forget that at the "Big Three" conferences at Yalta etc. there was actually a 4th man (Chiang Kai-Shek, leader of the nationalists). China stayed in the game much like how the Free French did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503629

Didnt you watch X-files? Unit 731 relocated to the States where they experimented on aliens.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503663

[Anonymous No.]

Mao is the HERO of CHINA. Because he killed 50 millions of chinks. but Japan killed only 10 million of chinks. Japan DID NOT kill enough chinks to be respected by them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503696

He killed them via stupid policies and over an extended period. So its not really a fair comparison.

[Anonymous No.]

Korean things resembled a level of culture one might have expected from sub-Saharan Africa until Japanese occupation beat some sophistication into them but also, apparently, gave them an enormous inferiority complex which we have had to endure ever since.
Koreans are annoying, loud, xenophobic and notorious for their cultural plagiarism and fabrications of history. If it weren't from the Americans, who they ironically despise, their shitty little peninsula wouldn't even exist. Ungrateful mongoloids.They should be put in their place now as they were for thousands of years.

[Anonymous No.]

ITT: People pretending to be japs.

[Anonymous No.]

The Japs should be allowed to bomb and rape those chinks again. Little fuckers like to use lead paint on kids toys and eat cats.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is everybody here talking about Japs killing chinks / coreans when japs killed plenty of whites as well?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503707
At least Korea used to be one of the major powers in Asia in very ancient times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503735
lol no. this is the center of Seoul. black things are shits of Korean. Do you think Korea has been superior?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503746
I was referring to the time when one of the Korean kingdoms managed to push deep into the Chinese mainland for a while, but whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503752
I think you misunderstand Mongolia as Korea.

[Anonymous No.]

US executed Japanese for water boarding.

[Anonymous No.]

so much weabooism here.
Go to wikipedia and type"nanjing massacre" or "section 751"
Then tell me those werent war crimes.

[Anonymous No.]

1592 - Yamoto (formerly Jipang or Japon) invades Korea in what will go down in history as the Imjin War. In the six years following the outbreak of the hostilities the Korean army, of which Admiral Yi Sun-sin was arguably its most prominent commander and tactician, skillfully manages to bring the war back to the attacker's home on its own hook. At the daybreak of December 16, 1598, after a two months long siege, the town of Osaka is levelled by an unreported amount of batteries consisting of bombards mounted on cast-iron hwachas, thus marking the end of the conflict and ushering in the cession of southernmost Yamoto to Korea as its first overseas toehold.

1810 - After almost two centuries of weak but persistent border clashes with rogue peasant armies following the rout of Manchuria in 1636, Korea formally occupies Inner Manchuria and annexes it. In order not to upset the brittle policy of appeasement between the two countries, Qing representative Yishan accedes to sign the Treaty of Aigun on May 28, 1811.

[Anonymous No.]

1835 - A massive earthquake followed by a tsunami shakes the territory of Sanriku, northern Yamoto, claiming tens of thousands of lives. With its native populace having been sorely tried by a spate of natural disasters spanning two years and months of unrelieved famine, widespread upheaval gives rise to a belligerent lower-class front spearheaded by Oshio Heihachiro, bent on toppling the despotism of the corrupt Tokugawa shoguns. Before long the situation rages out of control, forcing Tokugawa Ienari to beseech the naval intervention of Korean ironclads moored in Shikoku in exchange of permanent military settlements in the northern isles.

1853 - In the light of the abrupt shift of powers in East Asia, Commodore Matthew Perry sails to the Korean peninsula seeking to open viable commercial routes between Americas and the Far East by trying to loosen the two centuries old isolationist policy with Western powers of the Korean Empire. After lengthy talks Perry is the first foreigner to be admitted, as a representative of USA, in the court of emperor Gojong. There, he discusses his proposals in the so-called Convention of Hanseong, arguing the opening of the ports of Pusan and Nampo to unresticted United States trade. Perry departs shortly afterwards mistakenly believing an agreement between the two sides had been reached, unaware that the emperor had in fact stopped short of delivering official endorsement to the treaty as per his advisors' suggestion. A more equitable arrangement would be signed exclusively with France only 10 years later, on heels of the defeat of Admiral Roze.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503756
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwanggaeto_the_Great_of_Goguryeo

[Anonymous No.]

1897 - The First Russo-Korean breaks out. In the wake of the Boxer Rebellion the Korean army, not regarded by the decadent Qing Dynasty as a foreign invader unlike its Western allies, occupies Outer Manchuria with the aim of flushing out and fight any future potential destabilizing cadre. Taking Korean presence as a hindrance to Russia's own interests on the zone, Tsar Michael II wages war on the Korean Empire but the army stationed there, weakened by previous clashes with Boxers, is unable to stymie the thrust of the Korean Army and is soon overwhelmed. The Treaty of Portsmouth, signed on September 5, 1898, would cede the entirety of Manchuria as well as rioting Sakhalin to Korea.

1900 - Recent Korean victory over the Russian invasor causes Meiji Restoration to come about. Meiji, nominal emperor of Yamoto, acquiesces in allowing Korea to become the sole deputy for both internal and foreign affairs of his nation by signing the Eulsa Treaty, thus turning to all intents and purposes Yamoto into a Korean protectorate. Formal annexation wouldn't occur until 5 years later.

[Anonymous No.]

1923 - The Great Kanto Earthquake strikes central Yamoto, causing unprecedented death and destruction. Widespread fires ravage Edo, sprawling beyond control mainly due to obsolete and unmaintained infrastructures as the former imperial family is reported missing.

1925 - For the second time in history the Korean Empire is forced to take up arms against Russia. After six months of unabated border skirmishes the Korean Empire, previously neutral during the Great War, decrees the full mobilization of its army against breakaway White Russian rebels helmed by Roman Ungern von Sternberg, spread thin at the outskirts of the former Russian Empire. The subsequent victory over them would secure Korean rule over Yakutia and Kamchatka. Civil unrest erupts across the Bering Strait as Russian Alaska is being shut out of mainland Russia. USA occupies the territory as a precautionary measure.

[Anonymous No.]

1935 - Maritime Provinces become part of the Korean Empire thanks to a landslide victory of 91% favorable votes in the popular plebiscite. Alaska is officially declared an organized territory of USA as of May 11.

1942 - Still suffering from the combined effects of dust bowl storms and the ensuing worldwide stock market crash and staggering unemployment rate upsurge, depression-stricken USA sees no other choice to overcome the crisis but to devise a surprise strike on the Korean Empire, the "Thoroughfare of East Asia", in hopes it would cut its hegemony down to size as part of a desperate bid to forcibly open the country to one-sided economic agreements with North America. President Charles Lindbergh sanctions the preemptive attack on the Korean fleet docked at Guam on December 5, which would be carried out just two days later. World War Two begins.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503768
not this shit again, you stupid GOOK. Korean NEVER learn real history of Korea. because it has been full of shame.

[Anonymous No.]

Only Korean moms who give birth first sons could show their tits. It was honor for them. Japan prohibited this barbaric custom. Korean NEVER learn this fact. Because, even Korean can understand it was shameful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503792

I'm sorry, but photos taken by Japanese troops for their own basest amusements don't count as historical evidences.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503798
LOL. NO. WHY YOU LOVE TO TELL LIES. IF JAPANESE FORCE THEM,THEY WOULD GO CRAZY AND SAY "JAPAN SHOULD APOLOGIZE FOT IT". BUT THEY NEVER SAY THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT IS THEIR OWN CUSTOM.

[Anonymous No.]

Bump.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503792
Shameful to who? European high society? Certainly not to Japanese peasant soldier who's first contact with the outside world was his commanding officer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2503792
PROTIP: Not showing breasts was a custom held by First Class Europeans prior to WWI.

[Anonymous No.]

i wonder if he's just a troll pretending to be a japanese nationalist, or just a troll.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2504570
>i wonder if he's just a troll pretending to be a japanese nationalist, or just a troll.
You must be new to /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]