Elona General: Try Your Best! Edition

[Anonymous No.]

Errors? Set the compatibility of the .exe to Windows 7.

Using GIMP to create a sprite or PCC? Select "do not write color space" and save it as a 24-bit BMP.

What version to play? Read the pastebin.

>New? Start here:
https://pastebin.com/FDv2ATAa

>Mods:
https://pastebin.com/5ja03yuf

>E+ Changelogs:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29

>Elona Custom Release Thread:
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:29851

>Elona+ Custom-G Release Thread:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:29336

>Current Version:
Elona+ 1.99 (2020-05-17)
>Latest Custom:
E+C 1.90.4 (2019-06-02)
Elona+ Custom-G 1.90.4.2 (2019-10-20)

>Omake Overhaul English Release Thread:
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:28909

>Current Version:
Elona Omake Overhaul EN (2019-06-17)
Omake Overhaul EN Hack final release (2018-12-14)

>OOMSEST Updates
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ObWACccjqvaJLcXBfsH2tHEGaYfaD0S_


>Elin's Inn
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1moY3mcjFNPCytLFTdhgB0Xhnq2Bbt_yE/view

[Anonymous No.]

Should I remove the English Release version of OOM from the next OP? Apparently OOMSEST is mostly in english anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

For the anon that asked for reduced grind try GFU variant,it may teach you bad habits though

https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:30363?

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>>24004526

Last thread.

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I was thinking about coming back to Elona after a couple months, but I was wondering if I should wait until they drop the 2.0 version. I mostly play Custom anyways but maybe I'll give E+ a shot.
Is thirst still a thing?

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>>24407915
Yes, but it's rather inconsequential to deal with. All it does is slow down sp regeneration in the first place, and a magaqua fixes the problem permanently.

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It's starting to be really stronk.
I'm having too much fun doing dungeons to walk on the map and try to trigger wandering vendors encounter to get more scrolls of name, though.
I really should go back to Mani and do some MMM too, my divine wisdom is starting to be great. 3k turns, one cast lasts me a whole dungeon, cozy.

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>>24408930
Also makes you permanently take double damage from ice and lightning. I'll stick with Custom-G.

[Anonymous No.]

In Elona+, do you guys keep living weapons at level 10 to avoid the blood sucking? Or do you just deal with the constant bleeding announcements?

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>>24419361
Depends on what you want to make out of it.
Active combat you're better off at level 10, but if it's a faith stick no reason to not level it to 15.

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>>24420234
But faith does nothing past lv40,does it? beside the fourth tier reward i mean

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>>24420999
More favor gives you more stats from the god.
Speed from Lulwy, etc.

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>>24415865
It's only 1.3x lightning, an 1.75x cold, and why are your resists weak enough for this to matter? You'll need wet status anyway for the +speed from swimming.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to play this game in a bigger resolution? Maybe not 1920x1080 but anything close to that would be swell

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>>24406331
What's being said about Fairies in OP's image?

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>>24423283
They are very stretchy.

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>>24422399
you can type in a custom screen res in config.txt, it's how i set 1280x720

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>>24423283
Ignore it. It's just an alternate reality leaking in to our world.

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How much am I missing out on by playing Elona+ Custom? It hasn't been updated in a year, but Elona+ English was chock full of "This is untranslated sentence." back in 1.7. Has it changed?

[Anonymous No.]

How much of a difference is there between 1.69 and 1.99? im new and 1.69 is the version i was given to start off with

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>>24438235
Why didn't you download it yourself? I don't get it.
Go here for Plus 1.99:
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:32126
Go here for Plus 1.90 and the Custom and Custom-G 1.90 addons:
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:29336

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>>24438235
>1.69
Unless you're holding on to it like some sort of sacred cow because of a 2000 hour long save there is no reason to NOT at least be 1.90, anon.

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>>24438960
>>24440234
i was told that it was a "working build" by a friend who gave it to me, so i just assumed it was really hard to to get working. i guess he hasnt played in a while...

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>>24440505
You can just play plus stand-alone, or if you want custom, merge a 1.90 version of custom into a plus 1.90 folder.

OOMsest is a bit trickier, if you want it's translations.

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>>24440565
I'll just do plus stand-alone

[Anonymous No.]

anyone still keep up a cute or monster girl sprite sheet? haven't been here in like 4 years

[Anonymous No.]

>have decent run going
>want to reset for literally no reason

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>>24447603
i hope you never become like me , finishing games becomes a living hell
>start a run , doing decent
>learn a new mechanic / new method that makes it more efficent
>now i HAVE TO restart from scratch because i feel like i didn't optimize my playtime
>repeat ad infinitum.

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>>24447711
Don't dox me, you jerk.

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>>24447711
Is that autism ?
Asking for a friend.

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>>24415865
>not having superb resistances
Ngmi

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>>24468236
>resistances
gay

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>>24460517
It sounds like speedrunning. Is speedrunning autism?

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>>24477883
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>Elona+ 1.995 released yesterday because 2.00 took too long and Ano can't into version numbers
>Update from 1.99 to play 1.995 all day yesterday
>1.995R releases today to fix broken shit
> "Save data from 1.995 will not work with 2.00 and later versions."
> wat?
> maybe i can update from 1.995 to 1.995R and then to 2.00 later?
> can't do that either
> 1.995 save files are literally a dead end
> Ano finally nerfed so hard he nerfed save files

Ano you fucking hack fraud I want my Saturday back.

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>>24483660
Knew that would happen, well didn't know he'd go with a 1.995 version but knew that there'd be gamebreaking fixes needed for 2.0. At least he released it with a fucked up name so everyone would know that it was a guinea pig build.
And yeah I don't know why Ano can't into semantic versioning

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>>24483660
Ano status: still Ano.

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so +custom-G is never gonna get updated again, is it? should I just bite the bullet and get 1.99 and deal with the piss stuff among all the other unwanted changes? hell I havent even been keeping up in the past year, is there anything else dumb?

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>>24489441
There's not really much of note between 1.90 and later versions.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone have, I guess, a template for the pcc sprite sheet? Not a blank body. I mean something to show the bounds of each sprite on the sheet.

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bump

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>>24492129
Fuck it, I seem to have figured it out myself. I think?

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>>24502649
The heavy charges will vaporise the transport, and kill off any traces of biological content.

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>>24502649
Looks about right. Add it as a layer and up the layer's transparency and it'll act as a layout for actual spritesheet creation.

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>>24512904
That's the plan. Someone tell me if they use the template and it isn't aligned right.

>>24502813
Fucking what.

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>>24423459
>TRY IT, BIG BOY

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>>24519336
Play it in dolby stereo in your lounge so the neighbours can hear it too.

[Anonymous No.]

Any predictions for what Ano has planned for 2.0? He seems to think it's some kind of special marker.

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I haven't played this in ages, would the fastest start to grinding be dwarf + pianist to get cooking, weightlifting, and gardening all at once?

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>>24483660
Bummer.

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>>24483660
What could possibly change so much that any save file before1.995R isnt compatible with future versions?

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>>24533164
Oh no, that was noa alll the way back in vanilla.
Ever built staircases to other floors in your house and found tight ropes? It was added so you wouldn't starve to death if you forgot a downstairs.

>>24534036
Not any version, only 1.995 is broken.

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>>24536647
No I killed off my character because Ano won't let me bring it to the next version

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>>24536685
If you didn't play on 1.995... then you died for nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

Remember to regularly backup your save folder.

[Anonymous No.]

How long until the download link for Elona+ works again?

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>>24548718
The old one stops working when Ano puts up a new version.

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Which of the damaging feats is the best in the long run?

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>>24566083
You mean the SPACTs?

Dancing Wire has a lot going for it. Poison Nail and Hypnosis are both good. More so if you can build towards Resolution Hand afterward. Magical Plants is meta early on, as it gives a poison based full screen AOE at 30 farming. Really strong. I'd check the wiki for the stats they are based on and what they 'evolve' in to. You get new abilities based on what stats/skills you have. There's also a lot of special actions in general you get just for having the proper stats.

The 'proper' advice is probably Hypnosis to get Touch of Sleep and then build to get resolution hand.

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>>24566083
In the long run they don't scale well enough to be viable, or so I've heard. "Shining Wave seems cool, but if you lean on it you'll regret it later" is classic advice.

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>>24566083
>>24569364
>>24566344

Maybe golden storm, since it mostly ignores defense/resistance, and can blind blind immune enemies. At cap it hits in the 100-200k range, iirc.

Empathy feats also work, but they are cheating.

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>>24566083

Hypnotist backed by Resolution Hand, Poison Nail leading to Hazard Recipe-treated attack food, or Golden Storm if you are willing to invest your plat in Alchemy, Gene Engineer, or Investing respectively. Fortunately all of them are quite easy to train up if you have plenty of gold to spend.

With Touch of Sleep backed by Resolution Hand, you can literally sleeplock enemies to death if they're vulnerable to sleep, and sleep is pretty easy to inflict on anything not a boss relatively speaking. If you can get the Blue Spirit gauntlets (spirit race creatures drop them) then your Gauge Release with Touch of Sleep is going to be even more powerful, particularly if your equipped gear has lots of plusses to their enchantment values.

As a bonus, since you're going to be training up Alchemy anyway you're also able to have high-level undeads from Coffins of Necromancy and lots of damage from throwing high-level Trismagistuses and Violent Skull Swords, so I'd say if you could only pick one skill, pick Alchemy.

Hazard Recipe involves poisoning food with said feat and then throwing them at enemies. They do a good job fucking them up on their own, not to mention that more Gene Engineer means more damage. If a boss ends up getting anorexia from vomiting too much, then they're pretty much screwed. However, the poisoned food is only effective if the target isn't too full to eat, so make sure to bring some cursed milk or alcohol with you to force their stomachs open.

And then there's Golden Storm. Investing is stupidly easy to train up if you have money and plat. Its advantage over the other feats is that it's simple and spammable; once you've trained your Investing up all you need is money and the stamina to throw it with. Obviously, make sure you carry plenty of money with you and wear something that protects against thieves so they don't steal your ammo.

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>>24569804
How is emphaty cheating? also isn't continuous attacks the bread and butter of melee characters?

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Where do I put the moongate rooms and NPCs files to?

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>>24577929
Continuous Attacks scales off of normal attack damage (sans elemental damage weapon enchantments), so it's better than most spacts. I dunno how well it compares, though; elemental damage is pretty big.

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>>24577929

Empathy feats are screen wide, cause enemies to freeze after they proc (1-2 turns), can cause status effects, and attack sp which doesn't go much past 2k even at endgame. You can clear the whole game with empathy feats, even capped boss monsters, and only learn 1 attack skill, plus your attributes.

Add some pets in talk mode and you will eventually get to a point were enemies just disappear as you walk around, banished from existence.

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>>24580237
>you can play as a cowboy whose horse tells hilarious jokes
>this is not only effective, but somewhat overpowered

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Does Eye of Mind work with magic, or can magic not crit?

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>>24580237
i assumed the skill was neat at best because it takes several turns to use it while the enemy pummels your pet or you

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>>24581452
What do you mean work with magic?

Eye of Mind puts things in a state of losing mana. And no magic can't crit.

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>>24583436
>Eye of Mind puts things in a state of losing mana.

You're thinking of Eye of Mana. Eye of Mind is the skill that governs how often you crit with physical attacks.

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>>24583508
Ah, you're right. Then the answer is no. Magic can't crit.

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>>24583068

That can happen, especially early on. However, once the skill procs on enemies they just stand there doing nothing until you finish. As your stats grow enemies generally don't get a chance to attack.

You can also hide in a smoke cloud once you get that skill, if they keep sniping you for some reason. AOE attacks still work in the cloud.

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>>24581117
>>24586177
THE ULTIMATE FIGHTING STYLE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1NEOwNc0pg

[Anonymous No.]

Don't usually have zero resistance to any elements at this point so I didn't expect to get dropped like this. RIP

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>>24593541
＞しくしく
しこしこ (´艸`)

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>>24593541
Consider it a valuable lesson.

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Elona+ 1.99 Drive is dead. Link anyone?

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>>24612477
I've only got 1.98.

[Anonymous No.]

Which race is everyone playing as? Eulderna here, aiming to be a necromancer.

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>>24637651
Yerles / Farmer. I'm boring, I know.
I have tried other class and race as well but, that's my favorite combination.

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>>24637651
Current character is Mutant/farmer, I started as a thief to crit all the things.

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>>24637651
What would be good to punch everything to death with?

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>>24637651

Eulderna Thief. Superb+ Magic Resistance when you also have more Magic Resistance from corpses and mutations, no equipment needed, and there is no real drawback. Meanwhile, Thief's autocrit as an opener means you outright slaughter weak enemies with one attack and apply whatever status effects your weapon does to stronger ones (get a living weapon and tack on lots of Chaos damage for best results).

You can do entire Hunting quests killing all the enemies with one attack from a powerful ranged weapon, and Panic quests are only slightly more difficult. Dungeons? If you get the drop on your enemies (and you're not hilariously underpowered) they're pretty much fucked.

Bosses are the only real snag here, but you need other tactics to handle those anyway regardless of build, so.

>>24640867

Martial Arts and Tactics. Use your Attribute and Clear Mind buffs for more punching power. Use the Element Eyes to set your element to either Chaos if you want to shut down enemies with paralysis/blind/confusion or Cold if you want damage and have some cursed beer or something to Wet the boss with.

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>>24641162
None of that advice is a race.

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>>24637651
Elea, because cute cunny.

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>>24637651
Lich warmage

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>>24641688

You obviously can't read the part where I said Eulderna for the free Magic Resistance.

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>>24637651
I'm running a fairy wizard right now.

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>>24637651
Fairy prostitute because i have no fucking idea on how to raise my speed in OOMSEST and just like shagging whole towns

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>>24612477
The previous version is taken down once a new one goes up. The game is on 1.995R now. Go look on the wiki for that.

https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:32211

If I could update the OP I would.

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So when are they gonna release version 2.0?

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>>24652323
Never played this game before, thinking about starting. Should I wait for 2.0 to drop, get started soon, or avoid this game like the plague? Also, is this game in "English" or Engrish?

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>>24649140
>i have no fucking idea on how to raise my speed in OOMSEST
Have some advice from the discord.

>in oomsest you can up your speed though eating food blessed by lulwys and drinking Hermes blood. So if you really want to get it high your gone be getting a lot of medals and praying/cooking
>you can also eat glass for speed exp(if you got eat anything feat), and bless special meat buns(which you can make with the pot for testing) with lulwy to have them give speed exp

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>>24654678
God knows when Ano is actually going to release 2.0. He released 1.995 then 1.995R as 'versions' just to avoid having to label a release 2.0. I have no clue what kind of major update he considers marking the game 2.0 for. That said, just go ahead and start. You'll probably cycle through a few characters figuring things out anyway. Get the basics of the game down before you try a legit do everything play through.

Start experimenting now. The game is mostly translated.

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>>24654678
Plus is 75% Engrish, 25% "Sorry, this is untranslated dialogue". Custom is 75% English, 25% "Sorry, this is untranslated dialogue". Custom-G is 75% English, 25% Engrish.

I'd say "old save files can always be safely moved forward to newer versions", but I heard there was some kind of save incompatibility debacle with a recent release of Plus? Anyway, don't bother waiting for a particular version.

Also, expect to die a lot while you figure out how to play. It's normal.

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>>24655230
Ano fucked up. Any save in 1.995 is forever locked in 1.995. 1.995R is fine, though.

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>>24649140


Early on you're best source of speed will be riding, lulwy, and wearing glass/spirit cloth/ether. Plus speed rings.

Mide game eating that gear + lulwy steamed buns can give speed xp.

Late game however, you'll be using custom speed spells and buying thousands of hermes blood at a shot.



An alternate progression path does exist:

For early game you can combine speed pots in a testing pan/pot/etc to get sped pots +1, +2, etc. This is only limited by your alchemy skill and potion stock, so you can get +100 speed pots and zip around super speed for a thousands turns if you want.

Later, once you have ways to level, or just start crafting descent pots with alchemy, the speed ether diseases scale forever in oomsest.

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>>24637651
Lich wizzy all day baby. Sometimes I do necromancer or farmer subspecialization for fun. Also I love having tons of pets and micromanaging them. I don't care about cheesing the game with bells and shit. I like raising imoutos and little girls to be killing machines. Lich wizard is awesome for pet management once you get Healing Rain (which also heals necro pets). I also like obtaining and raising unique allies and passing them over to my next character using Soul Spindle. Did this with Frisia and Renai already, I wanna try copying a god sometime but I can't be assed to reach lvl 185 or so lol (lvl/2 is needed to copy an npc or enemy).
I've also played fairy pianist before but it got so boring and slow I spec'd into farming which actually makes sense since pianists have really high starting Weight Lifting. By lvl 50 my STR and CON were about as high as my MAG and twice as high as all other stats lol.

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>>24657955
>Lich wizzy all day baby. Sometimes I do necromancer or farmer subspecialization for fun. Also I love having tons of pets and micromanaging them
Sasuga Ainz-sama

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>>24655521

Also, reminder to keep backups of your save file and your old version around, because Ano.

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>>24657898
>>24654819
thanks! i am just used to custom herb buffet and AP system

[Anonymous No.]

I just killed Zeome on second try
Thoughts on + version
>Feather potion amazing
>Troll blood best heal
>Magical plants poison AOE OP, until lvl 35 when they cant onehit chaos seeds, chaos seeds OP
>Ancient medicine OP
>Not enough Diablo on Yith action, should have gone for rods of domination or catsister mount
>Ability to put weapons in shoot slot amazing
>thirst system is bad until you get juicer, then it is amazing
>high level pokeballs are amazing
>3 little girls with feather hats and ensemble is OP
Got a living weapon fairly early
Not enough dungeons, Are dungeons rarer?
Going now for a mutant predator, martial arts + vindalian jiujitsu + ether handblades seems fun

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>>24662312
Why not go for act 2?

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>>24662312
>>Magical plants poison AOE OP, until lvl 35 when they cant onehit chaos seeds, chaos seeds OP

Unless your Gardening sucks, Violent Garden indeed wrecks Act 1, but tapers off in damage as things start getting more poison resistance. That doesn't make it useless, however, if you also have access to the Anaphylaxis special action that inflicts Dim + Dysphea + vomiting on anything that is poisoned. A Violent Garden followed by a few uses of Anaphylaxis will make enemies on screen puke their guts out (which can make them starve to death) while not being able to physically attack worth a damn.

>>thirst system is bad until you get juicer, then it is amazing

Or you get a Magaqua and carry it with you. But juice is good for training up your Alchemy and Magic Device without having to spend time gathering materials and making stuff or burning a lot of rod charges/stamina.

>Not enough dungeons, Are dungeons rarer?

You can get rid of old dungeons and make new ones appear whenever you want by going to and from South Tyris.

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Haven't made a character in a year or so, is this asking me on what skill i want an exp multiplier?

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>>24669205
It's a freebie skill. Like if you want Pickpocket or Greater Evasion without having to get it from the guild trainer.

[Anonymous No.]

I remember playing this many years ago with the sketchy translation that somehow made it hilarious. Is this game as funny in Japanese as it is in English? Now that I can read nip, I'm wondering what language to choose.

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>>24669205
What it does is increase the growth speed of that skill as well as unlocking it. Just like having equipment that improves a skill, will suddenly "upgrade" it from [] to [#] to [##]... etc., that means you'll get additional potential% upon skill level-up, thus potential decreases more slowly and the skill grows faster. The gain isn't that obvious unless if you hack to get #####, then your potential never goes under 100% or so

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>>24675109
The ### hashes just mean the skill is being increased, say +4 or something. It has nothing to do with potential.

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>>24569364
Depends on which games you're running. In permadeath where early game is absurdly lethal, all those high-damage, bad scale abilities are a godsend.

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>>24677775
I've tried raising a skill to absurd levels (Equipment modification via Elosnack) and then adding points to it, and I swear potential increases a lot more the higher the added skill level is. Not sure if the version I did that in has something to do with it. I recall potential wouldn't go below 100%, even though usually it stabilizes at 50% or so when you don't have any increases.

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>>24677775
>>24681333
Also, it takes like +50 in a skill to merely get to ##, so it wouldn't really make sense for it to be an indicator of increases. (I remember needing like +1000 or +2000 to get to #####, which is pretty much impossible to get without save editing)

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>>24681396
>>24681333
You can see your skills actuall levels using crafting recipies (or by looking at how derived stats such as damage/defense/spells change), they'll show the modified skill level and it's effects.

It's possible you broke something by raising the number too high, you might have also been on purge mode which has settings to prevent potential from going down.

Either way, I've capped base stats and used god weapons like frisia's tail, and they've never increased potential rates for me. (plus frisia's tale would be useless if it didn't boost your stats)

[Anonymous No.]

what's this?
https://twitter.com/4GamerNews/status/1281498685390483457?s=19

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>>24682373
our future

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>>24682373
>>24686385
Any clue how to get this thing in Japanese? I downloaded the chinese version from some random site since it doesn't show up in my 3rd world play store. Am I supposed to look for the Japanese version apk instead?

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>>24686411
I think so?

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>>24682373
Wasn't this a chinese game?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24693589
https://youtu.be/GcvXkbRgr5Y

[Anonymous No.]

Which guild should I join?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24701568
Prostitute's guild.

[Anonymous No.]

Never got a living weapon in 200+ played hours across a bunch of characters, i feel memed.

>>24701568
Usually i go with warrior's first and switch to mages' once i've got enough income to upgrade to +10 without much trouble. You can also accept both quests and join whichever guild's initiation you complete first, sometimes they can take a long time
>slay 5 red wasps

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>>24701568
Thief's guild usually has the most unique skills but Warrior's are definitely useful all around.
Mage is the endgame one imho.

[Anonymous No.]

If I haven't played elona since 1.16 years back, is everything I know from years back different? I never got particularly deep, just hit the beginnings of making major money with performance and started farming little girl milk.

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>>24703837
Just upgrade blackmarkets to 100 and you'll seee them all the time. (Not OOMSEST)

[Anonymous No.]

Played this game once or twice couple of years ago and came across this thread and wanna give it another try, how do I go about making a pure caster slut?

[Anonymous No.]

virtual ojisan playing elona

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnUtwWAtfvM

[Anonymous No.]

>>24701568

Either Fighter's or Mage's. Fighter's can be good if you know where to find all the critters you're asked to bag and the Flame Edge you get for doing the Guild Quest is a decent weapon for a pet of yours if you don't want to use it yourself.

For even midgame characters though it's Mage's all the way. It's pretty much the only way to cash in on all those Ancient Books you keep finding (as of the current version, abyss power does nothing) and the spellbook reservation service is a nice backup for getting more of a certain spell stock if shops and Scrolls of Wonder fail you.

Fuck the Thieves' Guild, however. The Wooden Horse is useless and their initiation quest is the polar opposite of being a competent thief. No dumbasses, not paying your taxes for months on end is a sign of being a pathetic deadbeat not proving how EVIL you are. On the bright side, Sin is the easiest guild boss to kill for the other two.

>>24708397
>how do I go about making a pure caster slut?

High Casting (obviously), high Alchemy for making potions and alcohol and high-level Trismegistuses, high Magic Device so your rods and scrolls and potions aren't shit, high Performer so you can shake your booty for dosh and grind your Charisma so you can make dosh whoring yourself out. Also some means of recovering Sanity; the meat of hermit crabs and giant squirrels can do this so you may want Cooking too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24709711
thanks anon for the sluttips

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone here know more about Elin's Inn (game by Elona's ORIGINAL dev) iirc the lasted known version to me is 0.49 and he posts about it daily with the lasted comment being a day ago on the dedicated r/ElinsInn, next public alpha will be once the UI is redone.

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>>24712965
From what I know, the idea is you run an Inn in Derphy.

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>>24713971
Yeah the dev wrote about playing a lot of rimworld lately and being DF inspired

[Anonymous No.]

>>24712965
You should probably just read the reddit stuff he's posted. It's the only information he's given, and we've not heard back yet from our crack team of spec ops agents sent to spy for more info.

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck, I wanna start a new game in Elona+ so badly, but I also want to wait until 2.00 comes out.

[Anonymous No.]

So uh,is the act 4 final boss implemented in 1.995R or not yet? i will just wait for 2.00 in that case

[Anonymous No.]

So there's either people not knowing about the "big" upcoming 2.0 release, people who don't give a just and just play and virgins like me who'll starve themself of the game until 2.0 releases.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24722175
Redpill me on 2.0, 童貞殿.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24722175
You'd want an old save anyway because there's a decent chance you'll get a present for updating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24722469
I dunno but it's like 2.0, get what I mean? We've been stuck on 1.995 for quite a while so something real is cooking

>>24726197
Yes but also no because saves between 1.995 and 1.995R are not compatible

I never knew about these gifts tho, what are those usually?

[Anonymous No.]

So i'm new to elona and from what i read there is alot of grinding on this game and i don't want to grind +10 hours to be able to do something is there any downside to play in overdose? what exactly is gene?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24727786
>I never knew about these gifts tho, what are those usually?

The only present I know of are literal Presents that you can throw at pets to heal some of their HP and at enemies to inflict chaos damage and ergo paralysis/blind/confuse/poison/sleep. It's reusable, so you can save on potions, rod charges, and spell stock healing your pets. No, it doesn't heal yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24728031
>is there any downside to play in overdose?
Not really, no. You're losing out on the grind and all the challenge it brings with it. If you're just playing it for the story, go for it. Elona is all about the infinite grind, but you do you.
>what exactly is gene?
When an adventurer and his/her/its pet love each other very much, they form a babby. Said babby starts the adventure from scratch, but can inherit their parent's items and pets, if certain conditions are met. The wiki is fairly exhaustive on the matter.

[Anonymous No.]

what's the deal with the werewolf in town event?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24730764
You used to be able to vote on names/suggestions/etc back in vanilla. This gave rank and salary, so ano replaced it with a werewolf event where you can vote on who's guilty.

Vote for whomever you want, but you can only cast a new vote after seeing a werewolf murder at midnight.

[Anonymous No.]

Where can I get disguise kits/incognito stuff?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24730764
You can game it to kill some named NPCs for good starting gear early on too, but as a downside it has a chance of just killing shops you've invested in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24730789
>a werewolf event where you can vote on who's guilty.

It's amusing when it happens in Vernis and you're able to vote for Loyter. Serves that douchebag right.

[Anonymous No.]

What's gonna be added to 2.0 bros?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24737274
Check the 1.99R release page for preview notes. That's all we got.

[Anonymous No.]

>Save data from Elona plus 1.995 cannot be used in versions 2.00 and later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24737616
How does that even make sense
Ano is encouraging people to not update ever

[Anonymous No.]

>称号《スーパー観光客》に効果を追加
>探索コマンドでそのマップにいるユニークNPCの居場所を探知できるようになる
That's basically the only thing i truly wanted, a way to actively hunt for big daddies.
The little sister already produces emotes, but you'd need to stay on a floor for like 20-30 to be extra certain.
That way, one 's' and i'll know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24737721
What doesn't make sense? He fucked up the version. It basically corrupts your save. Don't use 1.995. 1.995R should be safe.

>>24737547
Meant 1.995R here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24737721

Not to mention that he nerfed the Speed bonus that Swimming gives and he put a cap on platinum and skill points for bullshit reasons, as though players may have a reason for trying to gain more than a hundred coins and/or points.

Until this shit is modded out I won't be updating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24740503
Speaking of modding, what's taking LordAlfredo? He was supposed to start maintaining Custom back in January.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24703837
I just found an amazing one, its the second time an adventurer spawns with one

[Anonymous No.]

>>24743933
>innate longsword effect
>innate leather effect
>invoke with a 4% activation rate
>"amazing"

[Anonymous No.]

does anyone still make (and share) tone files these days?

[Anonymous No.]

The power went out while I was playing and now I can't use my save. What do I do now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24749714
Anon.. I..

[Anonymous No.]

>>24749714
Backup more frequently, and/or buy an uninterruptible power supply.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is she so damn busty

[Anonymous No.]

>>24757036
Because if the mother of your children have big breasts before being pregnant, it means she will be able to produce a lot of milk, enough for your children, even if she birth twins or more.

This is why humans like big breasts so much, since they are a sign of life and prosperity.
As opposed to subhumans who like big butts, who are a symbol of shit, diseases and sloth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24757095
Ackshully. Women with small breasts produce just as much milk as women with larger ones. The amount of fatty tissue doesn't equal more milk production (the amount of glandular tissue does, and that has no relation to breast size), in fact obese women actually produce less milk despite having larger breasts (ie. more fatty breast tissue).

In fact how much milk is produced has to do with how often the child is breast-fed. So if a women has twins she will produce more milk to compensate for how often she has to breastfeed. Larger breasts are attractive to some because of aesthetics, not function. The more you know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24757095
The only sign of fertility that actually means anything besides something generic like not looking diseased is hips to reduce chances of birth complications during delivery

[Anonymous No.]

>>24693623
who is that redhead at the start? i know the others are lomias and the blue bitch

[Anonymous No.]

Just updated to the latest version and saw the skill/spell point cap. What is everyone spending their points on? Was thinking about dumping my spell points on wish or harvest, but realized it just makes their cost skyrocket.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24764471
Buffs like hero/holy shield/ holy veil/ etc, or rare spells like meteor/wish/harvest.

The last 2 just need a high enough casting chance and they won't get harder to use. Harvest is low-ish, can't remember the exact amount, but wish needs 1300+ or so to break even.

[Anonymous No.]

I had no idea necromancy was this busted, a single lich often outdamages me on bolt spells because they're more than double my level

[Anonymous No.]

>>24757409
> Larger breasts are attractive to some because of aesthetics, not function.
Ackshully
Big boobs tell caveman brain more milk for babbys

[Anonymous No.]

>>24771795
wait so big breasts are for dumb people ?
now it all makes sense

[Anonymous No.]

>>24777385
Haha.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24769883

Wait until you make yourself a horde of fifteen dragon zombies or dead-eyes and unleash them all at once.

It's a beautiful and horrifying thing.

[Anonymous No.]

It's been a while sense I lat played, and I forgot what the point of the game was.
Last I remember I had a farm and was eating herb food.
send help

[Anonymous No.]

>>24784672
Elona is whatever you want.

Or just beat the true final boss.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24784672
Create a gene file and start over again. Try taking notes next time. Even just a todo list will help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24799969
>Create a gene file and start over again.
>Even just a todo list will help.

- Catch powerful monsters in monster balls
- Make high-level Trismegistuses and powerful equipment
- Make a big stack of refined gems
- Cook a big stack of herbed food
- Lots of Necromancy coffins of Liches, Dragon Zombies, and Dead-Eyes
- Seeds
- Potions of Potential and picnic baskets
- Juice mixer and barbecue set

[Anonymous No.]

>>24800477
>Necromancy coffins
Don't spooks scale entirely off your own skills? The pet thing is a better "starter kit" gimmick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24810856
>Don't spooks scale entirely off your own skills?

You can make gear with +Alchemy/Anatomy to give the spooks levels to start with, the whole start with big stacks of Coffins thing is so you don't have to get the high-value body parts needed to make them as a fresh noob. Plus it's an option for those who don't want pets or who want to use spooks and pets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24810856
The level does, but the type and level cap depends on what you crafted the coffin with. You also get +5 from a coffin upgrade you can make.

A level 7 dead eyes is much better for a starter than a level 1 cat.

[Anonymous No.]

A bit of a shot in the dark here but does anyone know how to edit skill potential using Cheat Engine? I fucking hate the potential mechanic and just want to disable it. I've been able to find the address of a skill's potential but modifying the value doesn't seem to do anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24812435
skill level and potential are one value, ssssppp where s is skill level and p is its potential.
Example :
Shield skill is 4.125, potential is 69%.
Search for 4125069, change to 4125999 for 999% potential.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24814284

He'll have to keep doing that over and over again as he gains skill levels and the potential tanks.

What he needs is a mod that locks the potential at a specific value.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24814481
I think there is/was a mod for that.

Here :
elona.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:30363
>Potentials never drop below 100%

[Anonymous No.]

>>24814530
this changes a lot more than just the potentials but maybe i can just pull that part out of the mod and toss the rest. thanks!

[Anonymous No.]

>>24810856
You can also collect parts of sufficient value to remake the coffins in to better ones.

[Anonymous No.]

I've been playing exclusively E+ since I started playing elona. Is Omake/OOMSEWEEFWFEWWT or whatever that branch is a good enough time to swap too? Does it have a reasonable translation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24821085
Last I heard, OOENhack was fully translated, while OOMSEST was only partially translated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24821609
Never even heard of OOENhack

[Anonymous No.]

anybody knows what file are those squares from?
I put beautify, but it doesn't has whatever those are, so I want to put the original file.

[Anonymous No.]

Just found out about this game and was wondering if anyone could tell me what types of mods I should get to have a better experience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24823329
youo have elona+, that's the more popular one and the one most people play.
and you have a lot of omake variants out there, I hear some are quite good, but I haven't tried them myself.
basically nobody plays vanilla anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>24821085
oomsest is vanilla+.
It adds to what exist instead of modifying extensively like in elonaplus.
You'd have to relearn a lot of the obscure indepth mechanics, though the surface stuff is the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24821609
>>24822041

OOMsest can use the translated custom files from ooenhack, though its recommended to use ooen instead for compatibility reasons.

Beyond those, oomsest has more hard-coded translations than even ooen had. IIRC only the two gods, danilan and seria are untranslated, and you can use ooen's translated version if you don't mind not being able to summon her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24823186
Those are sprites the old beautify doesn't have yet. Which is only made for 1.99 so far. Where do they show up? Only in that menu?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24441313
most recent one is for like 1.76 I think

[Anonymous No.]

>>24709452
>Playback on other websites has been disabled by the video owner.
but why

[Anonymous No.]

>>24830034
Just go watch it on youtube. You won't catch AIDS or anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24832989
>watching youtube videos on youtube
Bad idea, it's full of horrible pajeet javascript. Use youtube-viewer or something instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24828537
I think so.

[Anonymous No.]

>never offered enough to get gifts from god
I know I'm just a bit of an on and off player but I still thought at some point I would have shoved enough corpses and whatever other items they're in to on to their altar that I could get a shiny gizmo or friend or something

[Anonymous No.]

>>24839272
just save your best offerings for converting altars, a good way is doing panic quests in palmia or noyel since the altar generated can be converted to your god. The wiki has the formula and how many times it would take to get all the rewards

[Anonymous No.]

Honest question,is there any point in playing OO english hack when OOmsest has more features? or i am missing something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24848407
100% translation or an empty second continent? No contest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24848707
I mean,i have never seen EN hack being discussed here,unless there is nothing to discuss? its always plus or OOMSEST,doesnt EN hack lack an objective?
>In plus you can clear act 3 (soon 4) to put a end to the story mode
>OOMsest has death ehekatl as the final boss for autistic grinders
>EN hack has ???

[Anonymous No.]

>>24848407
>>24848707
>>24849524

enhack is just OOen with boosted xp rate selectors, a few renamed files, and a couple of oomsest features back-ported.

OOen is just OO with the custom files and a few hardcoded files translated.

OOMset has all of OOs features, is compatible with the translated custom files, and even has the hard-coded translations too. It also has it's own files.

There are 2 things oo and enhack have that oomsest doesn't: a port of custom in OOEN (not hack), and xp sliders in enhack.

You'll get the same translations with all 3 if you follow the install instructions, oomsest even has a few more that weren't added to ooen in time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24849646
AH, and just to clarify custom files are npcs/gods/items. Not "custom" which is from plus custom fame, and also ported to OO (not hack or oomsest).

[Anonymous No.]

>>24406331

Anons, the fighter's guild wants me to kill cobras. Is there a good place to find them? I've been looking for like 10 in game months and have only killed 3.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24850892
maybe cave type dungeons or towers? appropiate to the cobra level of course,just wiki their level or capture the next one and breed it

[Anonymous No.]

>>24850892
Google the name, check the level, do dungeons near that level.
elona.fandom.com/wiki/Cobra
You want to do level 8-20 dungeons to maximise your chances.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24850892

Scroll down to monster types: https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Dungeons

Snakes live in nest dungeons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24851798

Thanks man.

[Anonymous No.]

I've been playing Elona+ for a while now, I want to try Elona+ Custom but am not well versed in the intricacies of the versions.

Can I use the current version of Elona+ Custom with the current version of Elona+? Or are they mismatched?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24859372
I think it will "work" but you'd effectively be playing 1.90. Not the current version of Elona.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24861155
Bummer.
Instead of Elona+ Custom, what do you guys recommend then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24865898
Just play the latest Elona+.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24868692
Should I wait for 2.00?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24868985
No

[Anonymous No.]

>>>24859372
>>24861155
>>24865898
>>24868692
>>24868985
Is Elona+ Custom getting updated anytime soon? Or is it dead like our hopes and dreams?

[Anonymous No.]

Did someone make an item filter for Elona yet? I want to get back into this but I remember how annoying it was to look at every item so that I don't miss something good.

[Anonymous No.]

I heard you can play as a fairy in this game. I am reading through the OP pastebins but before I delve in, is there any size content for picking fairy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24870417
Well, from people working on it on wiki.
>My inadvertent blunders aside, I'm not going to be able to do anything this month, but I do want to keep working on Custom-G when I can. If Custom still has no active maintainer next month, I'll try to do another one-off release (assuming 2.0 will is out), and then work on Custom-G after going over all the changes and deciding how to handle them, which could take a bit.

>I'm not dead, I just haven't had a ton of time to do modding since March due to other personal commitments. I'm going to see if I can't shuffle my schedule around a bit and make time to get back to things. OOEN Custom is *theoretically* done, in reality there's a Windows Compatibility Mode-triggered bug that I've had zero luck chasing down the cause of - so far the code is practically identical to the last build I uploaded (besides two minor bugfixes) from adding and removing bits to unsuccessfully narrow down the cause and at this point I'm tempted to ask someone else to try building the code and see if their build has the issue.
But then again, given how there's supposed to be community chat server and C++ Elona for at least half a decade, I'll believe it when I see it.
>>24874180
Fairy can't wear anything heavier than 1s. Later in the game, or if you're doing ng+, you can fit any equipment there given enough flying scrolls, but keep in mind that these are somewhat rare.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24874592
>elona+
>go to any blacksmith
>i want you to make my equipment lighter
>???
>profit For the blacksmith, at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24874006

Yes, oomsest has auto-pick to pick up good items automatically based on your filter, and enchantment search/filter when looking in item lists or shops.

>>24874180
Be aware that crit damage taken and received is tied to equipment weight. So fairies will take heavy crit damage, and not do much crit damage in turn. You also won't be able to use the magic equip skill that does +20% magic strength (stacking multiplicatively with spell enhance).

[Anonymous No.]

>>24874592
C++ elona is still not done?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24878456
You mean elona foobar? It's still getting updates on it's discord. Up to .7 I think, there's a few test mods for it.

https://github.com/elonafoobar/elonafoobar/releases/tag/v0.7.4

[Anonymous No.]

>>24878907
Any of those test mods demonstrate how to add new areas and NPCs? I faintly recall someone tried porting the dojo from plus to foobar and couldn't figure out how to make it work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24879420
There's a few for changing npcs and quests, and I think I saw one that added a new type of dungeon. So, it might be doable.

[Anonymous No.]

Just throwing this out here.

It isn't playable yet. It's a port of 1.22 to Lua.

https://github.com/Ruin0x11/OpenNefia/

I spent the entire last week just porting all the magic.

[Anonymous No.]

devenv

[Anonymous No.]

>>24883333
Finally, an actual open source port rather than that weird thing the Japanese do that's more like emulation. Good luck, dude. Maybe your work will lead to Elona blossoming like Angband did ages ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24883333
That post !
These digits !
This is holy !

[Anonymous No.]

>>24884026

Yeah. I've been working on it since May of last year. I must say it's damn lonely just porting all this in the hopes it will take off at some vague future date. But at least I find it amusing having a sort-of modifiable copy of Elona to mess around with in the end.

My hope is that this will end the thing with Elona where people decompile the source over multiple generations and maintain their close-sourced patches for years and years.

Of course it has to be playable first, and relatively bug-free, but I'm trying to put in a lot of effort towards that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24875145
I always reduced my equipment weight to zero in E+.
That explains many, MANY deaths.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24884692
Having the source code on a proper repository will be a massive step forward. Using a language that supports local variables will also be a massive step forward. I look forward to the day when modding Elona's gameplay no longer requires a decompiler.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24889956

Yes, and I made sure that there are almost no "true" globals, thanks to the fact that you can set up Lua's global environment to throw an error if you attempt to access an undefined global. Literally everything in the engine is designed around this fact. So not only are there almost no globals, but this allowed for redesigning things like the entire UI system to have almost no dependencies on global state, making them more user-friendly in the process. Trying to refactor the original source to accomplish this is arduous and bug-prone (I would know, I spent an entire year trying). As it turns out, rewriting from scratch was a better use of time in this case, given that the primary goal was to allow modding.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24875145
>Yes, oomsest has auto-pick to pick up good items automatically based on your filter, and enchantment search/filter when looking in item lists or shops.
thanks, I'll try it out
any suggestions for which build to play on my new run? I can't find much information and it says that which skills you choose are important because of how slow the grinding is

[Anonymous No.]

>>24893527
I think 2h sword is still the easiest in oomsest for beginners. Lich has some strong innate pv/dv when not wearing armor/shields as well.

IIRC samurai class is popular since you can wish for a feat reset early on and get a bunch of free feats. Ninjas get +10 starting speed, claymores get boost (but you can switch to them at the warrior guild), and idols are popular for cash money and minions.

Most of the things oomsest adds to speed things up are in the form of feats, or uncapped exploits later on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24883333
quite the insane post you got there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24883333
this post is blessed

[Anonymous No.]

Find any good PCC lately, gentlemen?

[Anonymous No.]

Spent today implementing a theme system. This allows modifying the base game's assets in a non-destructive manner (no more needing to overwrite character.bmp, etc.).

The screenshot shows Beautify and the Beautify+Scrounged tilesets combined together dynamically.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't even remember hag's real name.

[Anonymous No.]

anyone play a dwarf and pretend they;re a huge dicked shota

[Anonymous No.]

>>24916418
no I only play as little girls

[Anonymous No.]

Thinking about grabbing the tentacle either disease for roleplaying purposes

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone have all the pictures from OPs? Looks like it would make an ice collection.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24919868
You can find old archived threads via google, but that's about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24919868
There is a pack in the pastebin above. It's on mega iirc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24910283
Amazing things will be accomplished as Elona moves to a programming language that doesn't use '=' for both assignment and comparison.

[Anonymous No.]

Item names work in English finally.

[Anonymous No.]

should I go with light or heavy armor as a martial artist? I've been training light but idunno

[Anonymous No.]

>>24935075
Evasion is a dead end route in elona. Abandon it now while you aren't getting splattered for it. Also, start investing up to 60-70 rank in magic shops. You need potions of potential, boi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24935472
okay, should I stick with riding or does it get outclassed too?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24935573
Riding at least remains okay, but once you get far enough you can outgrow it much more easily. Evasion has the issue where it will simply not work later on.

[Anonymous No.]

>make new character
>living weapon in traveler shop but i cant buy

[Anonymous No.]

>>24935472
Why is evasion such shit in elona anyways?

[Anonymous No.]

How bad is being an archer in Elona, I wanna try ranged build first, I don't want op builds I kinda wanna work it out so I need general tips to not suck dick every encounter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24937902
Stat bloat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24938386
ranged builds are not the best, but not the worst either

[Anonymous No.]

>>24938439
Ok then that sounds like just the thing I want to make thanks bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>24938421
What do you mean by this??

[Anonymous No.]

>>24938463
some general tips are
>speed is king
>evasion only works in early game
>don't try combat quests from the get go , either go farming quests or farm puppy cave
>always bring a bottle of acid with you

[Anonymous No.]

>>24938386
Haven't played ranged character myself. Mage can do more ranged damage while also having better buffs.
If you want to go ranged anyway, remember to check optimal range for your current weapon. Special ammunition and ammo boxes should help with harder fights. Having a couple of melee pets or zombies serving as living wall should also help.
And even as ranged character, don't skip on magic, train your buff and utility spells every time their potential is close to maxed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24938480
Enemy stats bloat over time. Eventually they do not miss. Same reason why stealth will stop working at some point.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the highest level anons have reached here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24939659
In plus I got to ~3500, but stopped because that was in in 1.90 with the bugged xp gain. Before that version I was only around 2500.

In oomsest I got to around 10k, but when back to 1 to re-cap skills when the 9999 junkie title was released. I also got a pet to reach overflow levels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24940106

The overflow level pet.

[Anonymous No.]

two questions:
can I switch my save from 1.90 custom G to the newest version?
and also how important is magic? like should I learn with every character

[Anonymous No.]

>>24941588
There's no reason to at least keep healing spell, even as the grugiest warrior.
You're not doing anything with that mp, why not use it to heal youself and save up on potions and 'R'est time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24935075

Heavy is more tanky, but despite what other people say you can get away with light if you keep your PV up and invest in buff and heal spells. Also consider using the Element Eyes (bought from Garokk and Miral) to set your element to Cold or Chaos so that you inflict it when your Attribute buff is up. Cold will do more damage since Wetting enemies is easy to do and the Chill it does makes them do less damage, but Chaos can inflict paralysis, blindness, and confusion which just screws over non-bosses.

Also, consider putting the Shield Tonfa (Garokk again) in your Shoot slot so you benefit from the extra defense.

>>24938386

Get a living Ballista, use an adamantium material kit to crank up its damage, use Flying scrolls and blacksmiths so that you can actually drag the thing along with you, and then get a Bolt that has special ammo you can use with it (you want Time stop and preferably Burst though Rapid can do) so that you can unload huge DPS on boss damage sponges when you need it.

Keep a look out for anything that increases your chance of extra ranged attacks. Precious artifacts that do so include the Gemini, Fried Prawn, and Arbalest. Since you're only using your huge fuckoff crossbow, you can afford to put extra ranged attack gear in your hand slots. Interlocking shooting mechanisms can also help with damage output; some gear has them.

Make your class a Thief. The guaranteed critical hit on enemies that haven't detected you yet will ensure you don't miss too often and lets you chew up groups of trash mobs since you are using a ranged attack. Bosses are a different story, but again you save your special ammo for those.

The Fury status ailment and the Shooting Mode hex provided by the Fixity Anchor (Stoke in Arcbelc sells it for music tickets) can increase your DPS but they have their own drawbacks so be very careful with them. If you want to use them against a boss, well, Time Stop forgives a multitude of sins.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24904746
>Saw some guy has a bunch of big breasted Elona spritesheets
>even has my waifu
I don’t need to find any more anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>24941588
Yes you can swap versions up. You can't swap down again, though.

[Anonymous No.]

When you chose to share food with a pet, do both of you get full attribute experience?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24949374
yes

[Anonymous No.]

>マイナスフィートの追加
>復活不可:3つの効果を持つ
>＊死亡するとそのキャラクターのセーブデータが削除される＊
>オートセーブ設定が無効化される(オートセーブを無効化できなくなる)
>F1F2によるクイックセーブ・クイックロードが使用できなくなる
Hardcore mode finally in oomsest.
...If you have an high-level hammer, make sure to make frequent gene files...

[Anonymous No.]

>>24953319
>using a gene in hardcore mode

[Anonymous No.]

>>24937902
Because you get gangbanged by like 20 enemies in endgame every turn

[Anonymous No.]

>>24953319
What's the point of posting all of this if you don't translate it for everyone else?
You know most people here can't read any this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24958067
If you can't read Japanese, you aren't worthy to play Omake. Additionally, if you can't pick the lock on this treasure chest, you aren't worthy to play Omake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24958067
You can google translate that easily. The only thing it struggles with is マイナスフィート, which means handicap feat you take on character creation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24949374

The both of you also get the full effect of whatever special thing the corpse does when eaten; if it gives a resistance it goes to both of you, if it inflicts a status ailment both of you get slapped with it, if it heals insanity then both of you become more sane (so make sure you stockpile those crab and squirrel corpses!), and so on.

It's why herbing a Rank 9 cooked dish and sharing it gives more overall effect then herbing a herb and having only one person eat it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24926058
I'm just excited for a GNU/Linux native version of Elona that I wont have to force quit in htop every time I'm done playing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24963560
I think this already exists.

https://github.com/elonafoobar/elonafoobar

It's based on vanilla, but runs in native code (C++). There is some amount of modding support in Lua, also.

[Anonymous No.]

As someone returning to Elona after a few years, I have to ask: What does the English community mostly play nowadays? The way the different game variants are listed in the wiki and the pastebin, it's really hard to tell which versions are niche/abandoned/dead and which tend to be the crowd favorite.

And as a follow up question, are there any particular branches of Elona that one should keep an eye on that are still being actively developed still? Or are they all largely abandoned (or near it, with updates being released as a tiny trickle with large delays between)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24964803
Elona+ is what most english players use. Custom+ might make a comeback, but don't hold your breath. It's Elona+ with some more translation and QOL improvements.

The only viable alternative to elona+ right now is Omake.

[Anonymous No.]

Added a feature so individual magic items can be themed separately like in FFHP.

https://www.pixiv.net/artworks/41528889

[Anonymous No.]

Also wave function collapse is fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24964803
As another returning player, I jumped to plus custom G .90. It may be almost 10 versions outdated, but it's too good to pass on. Tried Omake when it was translated first, not my cup of tea.
Out of translated variants, plus is nearing(?) a large release, there was custom ported to vanilla, custom for omake english will come out some time in the near future, and there's mostly translated OOMSEST in active development.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24966158
As a suggestion, can you widen visible area? In normal elona, there's one row you have to use "*" or "l" to look at, hidden under the log. It even displays effects, like ice shatter, when something happens there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24968387
Honestly, most changes between 1.90 and 1.995R are Ano trying to make dungeons viable to do and squash end game minmaxing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24961189
>hurr durr you can only play my game if you waste your time learning a language spoken by almost nobody

[Anonymous No.]

>>24974448
yeah

[Anonymous No.]

>>24974448
Unworthy. A shame. Perhaps if you equip this bow, you might be able to do better?

[Anonymous No.]

would be nice if you could display the clock differently (like a digital clock). also potential tracking with a bit more customization would be nice

[Anonymous No.]

Not sure who's in charge of the pastebin and stuff, but I updated the monstergirl charsheet to E+ 1.90. So should work fully with E+C as well.

https://imgur.com/a/T4hqBQO

[Anonymous No.]

I remember a few years back there was some sort of Japanese database for PCCs and profile pictures for Elona.

Does anyone remember the link for that site? Or is it even still up after all these years?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24984184
I think it was taken down and someone put up a download of all the data there

[Anonymous No.]

>>24965705
>>24968387
Thanks for the answers, anons. By the way, I see Elona+ Custom has a "adult only" disclaimer on its main menu. Is Elona's sexual content still just milking pets, getting a little tail, and the pee/thirst system? I was going to try and get a friend into Elona too, but I'm worried that in the years I've been gone they may have added something even more outlandish that might make me look like I have a weird fetish. (I mean, a fetish besides the normal level of masochism requires to play any roguelike.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>24984184
https://elonaup.x0.com/sozai/
THERE'S NO SEARCH CAPABILITIES ENJOY :DDDDDDDDD

[Anonymous No.]

>>24984686
YAH GOTTA DRINKUH THE PEEUH, GAY BOWSER

[Anonymous No.]

>>24968387
How's the combat meta in E+C 1.90, compared to other variants of Elona? Is it still the case of ranged sucking ass, melee being good, and magic being king?

[Anonymous No.]

Probably a shot in the dark, but anyone recognize the source of this face.bmp file? It's one of the only ones I haven't seen a higher resolution for (meaning profile shots in 80x112 px), so I've been trying to track down the artist to see if I could find a higher resolution original I can resize.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24986420
Can't help but thanks for the pic, yoink.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24986420
http://neko.cheap.jp/smss/smss_user_face1.bmp
10 seconds in Yandex. Do you even image search, bruh?
>>24985068
The only difference compared to earlier plus versions so far is that the early game platinum grind got ridiculously easy. 2 pp will get you 100% skill potential until you level your skills a bit.
There were nerfs to melee multiattack, but no nerfs to magic, and ranged is still mediocre.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24968454
>>24977337
okay done

https://github.com/Ruin0x11/OpenNefia/blob/master/src/mod/min_mes_window/init.lua
https://github.com/Ruin0x11/OpenNefia/blob/master/src/mod/digital_clock/api/gui/UiDigitalClock.lua
https://github.com/Ruin0x11/OpenNefia/blob/master/src/mod/skill_tracker_ex/api/gui/UiSkillTrackerEx.lua

I mean, they aren't very robust for being coded in a couple of hours, but I guess they work.

[Anonymous No.]

Sorry if this is a dumb newbie question, but what does this symbol mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24986966
Thanks anon, I didn't even think of that. And as a serendipitous bonus, that guy's site also has some really pretty tilesets that could also spice up sprites as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24988771
In plus/vanilla it means nothing, remanent of an old fusion system.

In omake/etc, it means those traits will try to carry over if you use fusion with your smithing hammer.

[Anonymous No.]

Can any modders clarify something for me? I noticed the face1.bmp (the NPC portrait spritesheet) uses individual portraits that are 48x72 pixels. However, in-game the display stretches them out to 80x112 pixels, causing them to look all distorted from upscaling. Custom player portraits don't have this issue; they are all 80x112 files that display at 80x112, so look pristine.

Is there some way to make the NPC portrait system use a portrait sheet that's 1:1 in size, instead of the default behavior of taking overly small pictures and stretching them out? (I know Omake did this, but can it also be done to other elona versions without major hacking of the game files?)

[Anonymous No.]

Speaking of upscaling, anyone know a good program for upscaling Elona? Not just making the window bigger, like you can using config settings, but making everything inside it larger as well. My usual window resizing tool doesn't seem to work with Elona, so I wonder if anyone knows any that do work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24988176
legend. I know coding the UI is annoying as hell

[Anonymous No.]

What's the difference between E+ and Omake gameplay wise?
I've read the pastebin but am still kinda confused.
What the fuck does oomsest even mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24996132
On that note, which one should I play?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24996328
Neither. Play vanilla Elona.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24996328
That is for you to decide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24996132
E+ is basically what the name suggests. Elona+. Improved Elona.

Oomsest is basically an entirely different fork. It has a lot more new mechanics and systems than E+ lacks, but a lack of translation (or at least, non-machine translation) seems to hurt its adoption among the English community.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24996877
Why do people keep saying oomsest is untranslated, while plus is?

Plus' translation was broken even in custom, and g only added some machine translation to make up for it.

OOMSest is only missing translations danalin, and seria's religion description. Everything else is 100%

There are plenty of other things to criticize oomsest for, such as the fact it's a pain in the ass to install properly, with 4 different downloads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24996132
>plus
adds 3 more acts, but they feel a bit soulless compared to North Tyris
adds a lot of new enemies all the way up to level 200, at least doubling on vanilla bestiary
grinding is immensely reduced, at least until you hit post-game
pets got significantly buffed, it's easy to keep their potentials high and every skill you teach them has use
a bunch of new spells and shitton new active skills
has Custom sub-mod that adds half-decent translation in later acts and adds FF12 or Dragons age-like gambit system for pet's AI.
had some questionable changes in resent years, like water sports and anti-savescum mechanics. Have custom-G subvariant cutting out all of it, but it's outdated.
>omake
Closer to vanilla, both in terms of content and grindiness
new feats including negative ones for extra challenge
a lot of custom npcs and gods, all untranslated and hidden on web 1.0 age nip sites
npc talk system is expanded, in case you like to write and have your log constantly spammed, or, once again, can read japanese and download premade talk file

And there's too much small differences to list, so short answer is, they are just different. Oh, and nips are usually butthurt about elona plus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24997394
Why would they be butthurt about it?

[Anonymous No.]

The short answer is:
>E+ has more breadth; more new areas, more new mobs, more new quests, etc.
>oosmest has more depth: fewer new areas and mobs, but more in-depth mechanics for what there is. Such as city-building, more complex performance mechanics, rival adventurers, NPCs fighting each other, etc.

So basically oomsest has less content to go through, but the content there is lasts longer because it has more depth and interactivity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24997486
I dunno, Anno probably commited shamefur dispray and refused to play sudoku afterwards.
There was a longpost on wiki with rundown, but it looks like it was deleted, and google only shows this reddit post
r/Elona/comments/8ojske/why_ano_is_hated_in_the_japanese_communitywhy/

[Anonymous No.]

>>24997682
Most of it seems like petty shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24998023
No one would care if it was something major. Grudges are fueled by petty shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24998366
fair point

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone know what Omake's Rachel (oneechan) goddess wants to sacrifice? I don't see anything that stands out obviously when putting the god file through google translate.

[Anonymous No.]

Do the racial/class attribute potentials only represent starting potential levels, or how fast potentials increase throughout the entire playthrough?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24997162
>g only added some machine translation to make up for it
Actually, Custom-G rewrote some Engrish as English. Some of it was even backported to Custom by BloodyShade. The Act 1 ending is the first thing that comes to mind, since it used to be incomprehensible. I think that border guy and the card-collector witch got proper dialogue too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24997682
I vaguely remember that. I think a lot of it was that he doesn't have that weird thing Omake has where you have to install it on top of vanilla for it to work, and just weird nipponese copyright obsession in general (since Japan apparently doesn't use GPL or CC-BY-SA or whatever).

[Anonymous No.]

>>25001209
That was the machine translated stuff. I said some because there are still things that got missed, like most of the card text, things that had copy paste ano translations, that were hard to find, half translated bits that seemed fully translated, etc.

But, fair enough, it still added a large amount of machine translations, with some editing.

[Anonymous No.]

hey are food shops still worthwhile? if not, what's a good alternative?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24997394
Interesting, I will try Omake then, since I've been playing on plus.

What's the deal with OOMSest?
Is it a variant of Omake?
Is it better then?
What the fuck does oomsest even mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25002806
>Someone made Elona.
>Then someone else made a mod for it called Omake.
>Then someone else made a mod for Omake called Omake Overhaul
>Then someone else made a mod for OO called Omake Overhaul Modify
>Then someone else made a mod for OOM called Omake Overhaul Ex (OOMEx)
>Then someone made a mod for OOMEx called Omake Overhaul Sukutu (Sukutu meaning void, since it focused on void content).
>Then someone made a mod for OOS called Omake Overhaul Modify Sukutu Edition South Tyris.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25002806
To your question about that's the difference between the omake mods: There's really is no simple answer. Because it's a mod of a mod of a mod etc, there's no unified changelog unlike E+. So you'll have to manually trudge through all the changelogs of each mod's predecessor and put it together yourself -- or just do what most people do and go in mostly blind.

OOMSest is recommended since it's the latest iteration, so presumably has the most content of all the Omake submods. That's really the only reason it's recommended. Major changes I can think off the top of my head compared to vanilla:

>New guilds (prostitude, blacksmith)
>New gods (kitsune and ocean)
>Negative feats (have a permanent handicap in exchange for getting more regular feats)
>Some sort of smithy system (content is untranslated, so most people haven't touched it)
>NPC adventurers significantly more advanced (they form their own parties, can declare you rival)
>City building I think? Unless I'm thinking of the wrong mod.
>Various new holidays (sister day, baby day, etc)

[Anonymous No.]

>>25002419
>hey are food shops still worthwhile?

Very much so. Once your shopkeeper has gained enough experience not to suck at selling, the only real hurdle is keeping your shop stocked with enough food. Fishing is usually the answer to that problem, but only if you have a lot of bait and the Super Lure.

You can also cook and/or jerk the corpses of slain enemies and sell them too; the higher their level the more money their meat sells for. However, nothing is wrong with going to the Puppy Cave and murdering lots of popcorn mobs for sheer volume of meat to sell.

Lastly, you can steal yourself tons of Fruit Trees from wilderness, farms, and Hunting missions, plop them down in a building you own, and then harvest, cook, and sell the fruit they produce. They won't have any enhance value so they're not worth much but it's better than nothing.

>if not, what's a good alternative?

Blacksmiths. If you plunder dungeons often you'll come across lots and lots of weapons, armour, and jewelry. Now, you may personally have no use for them but they're still worth money when picked up and then sold in your shop, so you may as well take advantage of that. Note that they only sell for full price when it's your shop doing the selling - you get slapped with a huge massive markdown when selling equipment to vendors and it's so huge that it's not worth it.

[Anonymous No.]

so i just started playing elona shooter, do you guys know of an offline full version?
the offline version at kongregate requires you to play the kongregate version to access some things

[Anonymous No.]

>>25003372

Smithing is translated, there's even wiki stuff for it: https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Smithing
The very newest stuff from the guild aren't in the wiki, but most of the systems should be there. Though, some of it is stuck in the comments.

I've got a +1 hammer myself. Most people avoid it just because it's grindy. It's better now with the new blacksmith guild, which has a bunch of stuff to help starting blacksmiths. Additionally, smithing furniture with bones/meat/etc never fails, for easy xp when starting.

[Anonymous No.]

There should really be a god of blacksmithing

[Anonymous No.]

>>25003763
oops nevermind
just noticed the dropbox link on the pastebin

[Anonymous No.]

>>24983619
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.]

>>25003763
A little spoiler - after you earn all medals you can, rogue is the class that leads into endgame and endless progression

[Anonymous No.]

>>25004248
Oh, you can play the kongregate version offline? Good, I'm glad people got that set up before the site died.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25001293
It's that but also an ancient spat on which game will rule the wiki. Seems people don't want an infinite number of versions of one game to share one wiki.

[Anonymous No.]

It's been a while, but I've come back to play some more Elona. It's too bad that Custom isn't being updated anymore, I'd like to see what all's new in Plus but I enjoy the pet AI and other things from Custom too much for that. It's neat to return and see all the things I had going on when I stopped, trying to remember what all my plans were. I wonder whether the game will still be getting attention in the next decade.
Here's a picture of some fun moments from when I first got to Zeome.

[Anonymous No.]

New thread where?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25004145
I think omake has stuff like that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25012302
We ride till we die.

[Anonymous No.]

what do you input in the autopickup for oomsest for monster parts and seeds? anything I've tried doesn't work

[Anonymous No.]

Rod of Wishing with 40 charges or 200 levels to every stat?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25013888
rod of wishing so I can play around with more stuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>25001056
Only starting ones, they are the sum of your class and racials. The only permanent thing is your racial feat, if any. You can change your class later with business card and get its class feat, at least in plus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25013567
For monster parts I have this:

skin
bone
!heart
corpse
!blood
!eye
figurine
card


Whic collects skin, bone, corpses, figurines, and cards. It destroys hearts and blood.

I assume seeds would be similar.

However, one thing to note, autopick doesn't work in player owned properties. This is presumably to prevent you from picking up your stored items all the time on accident. So, do your testing in town or a dungeon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25020041
huh, I just retested it and now it's working for this bone, but not the eye
is it an issue with the value? or because a cat isn't a monster?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25020372
Hmm, it should work for non-monsters too. You could try moving it to the top of the list to see if something is overriding it, or save and reload to see if it's an update issue.

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any graphics improvements for oomsest?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25021087
Vanilla graphics packs work with oomsest just fine, here's a beautify one: https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:29657

[Anonymous No.]

>>25021087
It works fine with all the regular graphics packs, the exception being it messes up hex/blessing icons (due to newer, larger tilesets putting more monster sprites where they used to be in the old tilesets). But it's easy enough to ignore or fix yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25000946
Doesn't rachel/oneechan just take corpses and nothing else? That's what I've been using anyway

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone has some 3D schematic file for Ehekatl? I want to try some 3D printing

[Anonymous No.]

>unzip salary chest
>see this
Welp, time to roll a ranged pet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25022258
Nice. Magic damage or lightning? L10 or L15?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25024275
Probably lightning, should work better against wet enemies, even if it's counter-synergistic with extra fire damage proc. No idea how sustainable is hp drain on pet, so maybe something in-between.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25024553
Cold does more wet damage than lightning, I'd recommend 1 round of lightning if you want paralysis, then all in on cold.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25024725
Damage is way more important than statuses. Never heard of cold doing more than lightning, though. I thought Wet just doubled both?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25024725
With cold you'll be always at risk of destroying something useful, and there's no magaice in last custom version to stop it.
And don't weapon procs do the same amount of damage, unlike spells, which have different hit dices?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25024889

Lighting element gets a 50% boost and cold gets a 75% boost. https://pastebin.com/U0MZ9VFA

>>25024977

Most late game enemies have superb cold resistance, so they don't have their items destroyed same as the player. However, it can happen early on. It's not all that common though, and you probably won't notice much difference in loot.

Elemental damage does do a % of base damage as elemental yes, with 1000 enchant being 100% bonus.

Invokes do have weapon dice though, and are basically just the same as casting the spell except using weapon skill + enchant amount as the spell level. Weapon skill rapidly dominates the power of the invoke, so enchant strength tends to not matter much. They are unaffected by spell enhancement/combine effects, however.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25025171
That's nice to know, wiki is outdated as always.
For invokes, are you saying that they are one point wonders? How's the scaling? From what I remember, the damage they do is barely noticeable by act 3.

[Anonymous No.]

Oh wait, you no longer can use living weapons in artifact fusion? Balls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25025297

Yeah, invokes you can get by with just 1 enchant and not notice a difference. It'd take a huge amount of enchant to matter by act 2, and by act 3 it's a lost cause. In fact, low enchant invokes are usually much better, as effect/space can be very efficient.

Scaling is pretty much the same as spells, however you can probably level spells + magic faster than you can level weapon skills + magic. Not to mention the lack of high powered spells as invokes and no spell enhance, magic equip, or combines enchants, and invokes fall way behind spells.

They could still be salvaged even then, since you cast them for free per hit. But the rate at which they invoke is really low, sometimes as low as 4% or 1%. Breath invokes and buffs (they last long enough to re-cast) tend to be the best invokes if you do go after some. The Gravity and grenade fusions in act 3 are cheap enough to be worth it even if they aren't all that amazing.

[Anonymous No.]

So in Oomsest, I've noticed that enemy mobs are far less aggressive; unless attacked, they often ignore me unless me if I get within 2-3 tiles. However, I'm also playing a Sister character whose racial feat ("You are cute") is unclear about what it actually effects.

Is this greatly decreased level of mob aggression normal for all oomsest games, or is this actually the effect of the Sister racial feat?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25026294
In oomsest, they buffed the stealth skill by a lot, including reducing noise, detection chances, radius, etc. It also makes stealing much easier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25026124
>Scaling is pretty much the same as spells, however you can probably level spells + magic faster than you can level weapon skills + magic. Not to mention the lack of high powered spells as invokes and no spell enhance, magic equip, or combines enchants, and invokes fall way behind spells.

However, the invoke can proc for each hit that weapon lands, and let's be honest if you're building for physical damage you're going for plenty of +chance of attacks and/or the use of Dual Wielding or Rapid/Burst ammo anyway.

Also, every invoke can proc on a hit, so if your weapon has two Bolt spells then each hit can give one or rarely both. Bolt invokes in particular have a 15% chance of proccing, so while it's no Gravity Sphere or Grenade it's not so bad that it's wasted space.

>They could still be salvaged even then, since you cast them for free per hit

Not to mention that invokes cost no spell stock (or even knowing the spell, for that matter) and don't care about spell casting failure or Mist of Silence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25029576
Oh, I didn't say it was a waste of space. Only that it didn't compete with spells directly. If the enchant space used by invokes per damage yield on avg is more efficient that elemental damage enchants, then it's better to use them.

They can also provide nice AOE effects that melee and to a lesser extent ranged, tends to lack. Lightning/chaos/nerve breath attacks are especially good for that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25029967
Er, nether rather than nerve, for the healing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25029967
>They can also provide nice AOE effects that melee and to a lesser extent ranged, tends to lack. Lightning/chaos/nerve breath attacks are especially good for that.

Eh, if I wanted to use Chaos Breath I'd just use the Element Eyes to set the element to chaos and use that directly, or use Liquid Manipulation with cursed beer for screenwide Dimming + vomiting that won't hit friendlies. Or pop out some spooks and have them blow up.

Shutting down hordes of normal enemies isn't that hard with the right spells or special actions, it's the bosses you need to worry about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25037947
MIGRATE.

ABANDON SHIP.

I GOT OFF MY ASS AND MADE A NEW OP AT LAST.