[ ] Sakura [ ] Archer(Emiya) [ ] Satsuki Who was the most tragic?

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Anonymous Wed, Apr 15, 2009 22:05:35 No.2436160 [Reply] [Original]

[ ] Sakura
[ ] Archer(Emiya)
[ ] Satsuki

Who was the most tragic?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Apr 15, 2009 22:07:35 No.2436170 File: 1.06 MB, 2093x3003, 00 - Front Cover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [x] None of the above

>>	Anonymous Wed, Apr 15, 2009 22:08:35 No.2436175 File: 89 KB, 500x509, 4ac00be10ec0ac8f4b0ba1b888a0dd2f.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] in my opinion, its a toss-up

>>	Anonymous Wed, Apr 15, 2009 22:09:35 No.2436179 Out of those three probably Archer. But there are more tragic characters in the Nasuverse.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Apr 15, 2009 22:12:35 No.2436195 if by tragic you mean shitty then I guess it's Sakura.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Wed, Apr 15, 2009 22:13:35 No.2436198 Archer. At least Sakura gets to one day permanently die, and Sacchin is already dead.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Apr 15, 2009 22:14:35 No.2436203 File: 182 KB, 685x599, archerfalldown.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Archer, because unlike those other two bitches he tried to change his situation and he was actually a good guy. He tried to help people while the other two were sluts.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Apr 15, 2009 22:14:35 No.2436204 File: 128 KB, 800x600, 1232016474518.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] An innocent boy who only wanted to help people so they didn't need to cry caught in an infinite cycle of murder.

Anonymous Wed, Apr 15, 2009 22:17:35 No.2436216

It's a hard thing to rate, really. If you try and rate who was more tragic, then you might think "This > That" but, to the character, they might feel much worse about a specific thing than another one (if they could feel), so you might say that's more tragic. Personally, I'd say Archer. Poor guy spent his entire life trying to help people, only, at the end, to realise it was all for nothing, and that he's wasted his life on people who don't give a shit. I'd say realising the only thing you've ever lived for is bullshit is worse than losing a loved one (unless said thing was the loved one, in which case they're equal)

tl;dr GARcher

>>	Anonymous Wed, Apr 15, 2009 22:17:35 No.2436218 File: 64 KB, 470x465, sacchin T_T.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I vote Satsuki

>>	Anonymous Wed, Apr 15, 2009 22:18:35 No.2436222 Type-Moon itself.

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Wed, Apr 15, 2009 22:19:35 No.2436223

>>2436203
But Sacchin, like you, died (will die) a virgin.

>>2436216
Imagine going through all of that, then being reminded by your past self that it wasn't all a lie, and then promising to do it all over again even in eternal purgatory.

Oh, what a world.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Apr 15, 2009 22:22:35 No.2436237 >He tried to help people while the other two were sluts. Satsuki was a virgin, what?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Apr 15, 2009 22:25:35 No.2436247 >>2436237 I think he meant Rin and Sakura

>>	Anonymous Wed, Apr 15, 2009 22:27:35 No.2436252 >>2436247 But Rin wasn't part of the question!

>>	Anonymous Wed, Apr 15, 2009 22:34:35 No.2436274 >>2436252 I know, but he can't be talking about Satsuki. If that is the case, then his post doesn't make sense.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Apr 15, 2009 22:39:35 No.2436289 Hisui is the only non-tragic heroine.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Apr 15, 2009 22:40:35 No.2436294 sacchin.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Apr 15, 2009 22:47:35 No.2436309 >>2436274 Maybe he was just a fucking idiot

>>	Anonymous Wed, Apr 15, 2009 22:49:35 No.2436317 Satsuki. You finally get something in your life other than stupid, boring bullshit and then the guy you like kills you before you can have any fun.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Apr 15, 2009 22:49:35 No.2436318 sacchin didn't have a single positive thing happen to her throughout the whole game. at least the slut got to fuck the man she loves

>>	Anonymous Wed, Apr 15, 2009 22:51:35 No.2436325 >>2436318 But Sacchin gets a best friend and live as hobos.

Anonymous Wed, Apr 15, 2009 22:53:35 No.2436331

>>2436318

>game

I'm not trying to say you're wrong in calling it a game, so don't get me wrong. But why do some anon call VN's 'games'? I mean, you can't really class reading a fuckton then choosing one thing, then reading a fuckton more as a game, right? I do it myself, sometimes, but I don't get why.

Rome !!EPVwTIz4j/f Wed, Apr 15, 2009 23:21:35 No.2436477
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>>2436325
Not on the official timeline. Her end on Melty Blood is quite good: She gets a lot of friends, she remains among the living (in a manner of speaking) and gets to see her loved one every once in a while.
If you ask me, that's much better than dying miserably, after turning into a murderer and losing all your humanity. And all for what? To get the attention of a guy who already had a crush on her on the first place! It was all for nothing! Not only cold and miserable, but pointless!

>>	Anonymous Wed, Apr 15, 2009 23:38:35 No.2436582 >>2436477 I refuse to acknowledge a 3rd party fighting game spin-off as canon.

Ayn !ji3CXASUKA Wed, Apr 15, 2009 23:39:35 No.2436591

>>2436331
I'm not trying to say you're wrong in calling it a game, so don't get me wrong. But why do some anon call fighters 'games'? I mean, you can't really class mashing a fuckton then doing a combo, then mashing a fuckton more as a game, right? I do it myself, sometimes, but I don't get why.

Anonymous Wed, Apr 15, 2009 23:42:35 No.2436612

I'd say Archer. As Shirou, we all know how fucked up he is...he lives to help people. Finally achieves that dream and becomes a hero. Only to find that his realism is actually shit. And then he becomes a Counter Guardian, summoned only to kill for eternity. Yeah...that sucks.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 02:32:35 No.2437353 File: 42 KB, 640x480, 10.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Archer, he has to repeat his mistake for an eternity. High tiers are Kariya, Kirei, Kiritsugu, and Kuzuki.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 02:37:35 No.2437368 [x] Archer(Emiya)

Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 02:37:35 No.2437369
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at the end of ubw archer realizes he was just being a bitch and that being a counter guardian is awesome.

satsuki stays dead

sakura gets springed.

BUT SHINJI LOSES NO MATTER WHAT, FEEL BAD FOR HIM HE ONLY WANTED TO BE LOVED BY HIS FAMILY!

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 02:37:35 No.2437370 >>2437353 So anyone whose name begins with K?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 02:41:35 No.2437391 Archer/Shirou. He's so fucking broken.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 02:42:35 No.2437401 >>2437370 glad you noticed

insanezero !VUNofZD8jM Thu, Apr 16, 2009 02:43:35 No.2437404

>>2437369
>BUT SHINJI LOSES NO MATTER WHAT, FEEL BAD FOR HIM HE ONLY WANTED TO BE LOVED BY HIS FAMILY!

He lives in UBW, with Sakura taking care of him. Archer will not remember what he learned in the war due to the nature of being a summoned copy.

So even if he gets his answer, he would never know that he did and what it was.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 02:43:35 No.2437406 >>2437370 Why has nobody said Kohaku yet.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 02:46:35 No.2437415 >>2437404 his mind is completely broken though.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 02:46:35 No.2437413 >>2437406 Because she got her JUST AS PLANNED moment.

>>	insanezero !VUNofZD8jM Thu, Apr 16, 2009 02:47:35 No.2437418 >>2437415 He gets better.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 02:49:35 No.2437425 >>2437418 I don't remember that in game.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 02:59:35 No.2437459 >>2436160 >[ ] Satsuki Who's this?

Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 08:19:35 No.2438421
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>>2437404
Actually no, Arturia and EMIYA are the only two Servants that are NOT copies. They're the originals, Arturia because she never died and EMIYA because he is a Counter Guardian. However, Archer gets recorded memories like books imprinted into his memory, but he doesn't "remember" them. He just gets the records uploaded into his brain.

Just finding the records is the impossible part because he has so many, and to look through them just has to bring him more pain.

So his promise to Rin is one book inside of a massive library that he'll probably never read again, thus, increasing his bitterness even more.

Even says so in the end of UBW.

However, he wasn't wrong.

Poor Archer . . .

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 08:21:35 No.2438429 File: 242 KB, 600x600, 1234356693219.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Everybody forgot Taiga eh?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 08:24:35 No.2438437 File: 24 KB, 640x358, 1194502607180.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Archer. Tried his best to help others, but got a raw deal and can't be saved.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 08:27:35 No.2438442 >>2438421 Fate/Stay Night is a book in Archer's library

Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 08:29:35 No.2438444

Archer wasn't tragic. He got what he deserved.

He chose his path and it was the wrong path. He tried to save everyone, even the people who needed to be put down. He's trapped in a karmic hell of his own design, really.

If he had been a little wiser, maybe he would have gone down the path of the Mind of Steel.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 08:30:35 No.2438446 File: 17 KB, 400x326, alle.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2436160

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 08:31:35 No.2438448 >>2438442 Except they're not. UBW, maybe. How the hell will he able to recall the events after his fight with Berserker in Fate and the GARm transplant in HF?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 08:31:35 No.2438449 File: 341 KB, 435x588, 美綴01a(近).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2438429 NO ROUTE = TRAGIC

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 08:33:35 No.2438452 >>2438448 It's possible that the arm connected Archer to Shirou enough for his library to record the events of HF.

Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 08:34:35 No.2438455
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>>2438444

>He chose his path and it was the wrong path.

...

>He tried to save everyone, even the people who needed to be put down.

This was early-Shirou, not Archer. Archer adopted Kiritsugu's idea of kill the few to save the many, no matter who the few are.

>He's trapped in a karmic hell of his own design, really.

No, he got eternal torture for trying to make people happy.

>If he had been a little wiser, maybe he would have gone down the path of the Mind of Steel.

Are you an idiot? Mind of Steel is Archer End.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 08:35:35 No.2438461 >>2438444 >If he had been a little wiser, maybe he would have gone down the path of the Mind of Steel. Didn't he mention killing innocents even before becoming a counter guardian?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 08:36:35 No.2438464 >>2438449 ;_;

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 08:36:35 No.2438466 >>2438452 Okay, that's plausible. Now how about Fate route?

Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 08:41:35 No.2438481

>>2438455
>This was early-Shirou, not Archer. Archer adopted Kiritsugu's idea of kill the few to save the many, no matter who the few are.
Wrong. If that had been the case, he would have had no trouble killing whoever it was that stabbed him in the back.

>No, he got eternal torture for trying to make people happy.
People are unhappy because of other people. The only way to make everyone happy is to kill off all but one side of every conflict. This is obvious.

>Are you an idiot? Mind of Steel is Archer End.
What the fuck? Mind of Steel is second only to HF Normal ending in distance from being Archer End. If any end was Archer End, it would have to be Continuation of the Dream, and even that is not exactly the same. If you want proof, one word: Avalon.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 08:42:35 No.2438482 >>2438466 I'm not the same guy and I'm not agreeing with him. I was just presenting a possibility.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 08:46:35 No.2438495 >>2436160 Which route was Satsuki in again? Because I don't even remember who you are talking about.

Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 08:50:35 No.2438505
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>>2438481

>Wrong. If that had been the case, he would have had no trouble killing whoever it was that stabbed him in the back.

He wasn't spiteful. And again, it was later in Archer's life.

>The only way to make everyone happy is to kill off all but one side of every conflict.

Kiritsugu's handling of this was to kill the smallest side. Archer adopted the thought.

>What the fuck? Mind of Steel is second only to HF Normal ending in distance from being Archer End.

This is the most inaccurate statement ever. In ALL the routes (but NOT Bad End 30) he learns how to use Magic Circuits right from Tohsaka, and Archer never adequately learned that, which is why he became brown. Also, look at the last line 20 fucking times.

>If any end was Archer End, it would have to be Continuation of the Dream

Fate got a 10% Archer chance, according to Nasu. Since he learned proper magic use, it probably isn't.

>and even that is not exactly the same. If you want proof, one word: Avalon.

He figures out he has an immense magical artifact inside of him at some point in his life. Whoop dee doo. He might've learned he had Avalon in him in UBW True after going to London, etc.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 08:56:35 No.2438520 Maybe I'm just jaded by playing castly superior VNs, or it's Nasu's bloated, strange prose or the lack of mood, but no one in FSN strikes me as particularily tragic or suffer from any memorable issues.

Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 08:57:35 No.2438522

>He figures out he has an immense magical artifact inside of him at some point in his life. Whoop dee doo. He might've learned he had Avalon in him in UBW True after going to London, etc.
It's not a magical artifact.

At least not as far as he's concerned, seeing as how it only does anything at all if you constantly feed it, which he apparently can't, especially if he never learned magic as you're stating, seeing as how it never fucking activated at all before Rin poured her most powerful jewel directly into it and it still needed so much energy after that it took the metaphorical magical stream between Shirou and Saber and reversed the metaphorical flow on the whole goddamn thing.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 08:59:35 No.2438527 That girl with the sister in that one dream in Kagetsu Tohya who gets absorbed into Nero and then gets killed by Shiki. ;_;

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 09:02:35 No.2438536 >>2436170 This man speaks truth

Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 09:04:35 No.2438542

>>2438522

Avalon in its dormant phase will just help not-dying when receiving a would that would cause you to die over an extended period of time (i.e. slowly bleeding out, burns). Avalon in its active phase will repair anything not instantly lethal.

Avalon NEVER activated in its full phase without Saber. It CANNOT. Tohsaka's jewel did NOT interact with Avalon in the slightest, nor did it even revert the damage. Rather, Rin created a new heart out of magic.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 09:09:35 No.2438554 >>2438542 So Rin did what was stated to be beyond magic... through magic. Even though it was clearly stated that she didn't. Riiiight. I think this argument is over.

Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 09:12:35 No.2438564

>>2438554

Creating a heart is NOT beyond magic.

REVERSING THE CURSE OF GAE BOLG IS BEYOND FUCKING MAGIC. Even Avalon will not heal such a wound.

She MADE A NEW HEART and JAMMED IT IN SHIROU'S CHEST, where Avalon-passive took over and made sure the bloodloss didn't take him out already.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 09:16:35 No.2438577 >>2438564 u mad?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 09:18:35 No.2438582 File: 59 KB, 800x600, 1227625904809.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2438577 ye im mad

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 09:19:35 No.2438585 >>2438582 thats pretty gory bro

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 09:20:35 No.2438588 File: 34 KB, 479x351, 1214422263493.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2438585 kuz im mad u no

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 09:24:35 No.2438597 >>2438588 y so mad?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 09:25:35 No.2438601 File: 39 KB, 451x336, 1216446646728.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2438597 dnt evn no nemor

>>	Anonymous Thu, Apr 16, 2009 09:28:35 No.2438609 >>2438601 well dun be mad get glad

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