The Western Vocaloid Community

[Anonymous No.]

Why is the Vocaloid community so shit in the West nowadays? I don't remember it being this bad in the early 2010s

[Anonymous No.]

Explain what you mean by shitty. Even if I kind of know what you mean.
Some factors that immediately come to mind:
>Children make up most of the visible fandom.
>The platforms that western Vocaloid fans gather on have shitty cultures already, which makes things worse. (ex. Amino, most Twitter and Discord circles)
>Most western Vocaloid fans are casuals. Do many western fans even know P names outside of Mitchie M and Wowaka? For some reason I feel like this reduces quality, not because you have to be hardcore to not be a shithead, but because people are less invested.
>Longtime fans are an eclectic mix of 19yos~30+yos who have almost nothing in common and nowhere to congregate, so they don't interact and therefore aren't the backbone of the visible community.

[Anonymous No.]

Project Diva and YouTube lowered the barrier to entry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24272613
Blatant pedophiles (granted this was an issue even in the early 2010s), petty drama/cancel culture, characters being used to push certain political agendas, casuals that literally only know mainstream artists like Ryo, Mitchie, and Wowaka, and the list goes on and on.

You bring up a lot of good points, especially that last one.

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>>24273317
Vocaloid videos were being reprinted to youtube as early as 2008. You could argue for hardsubbers lowering the barrier to entry, but that happened pre-2012 boom.
>>24273479
Loli/shotacon is probably more prevalent in JP fandom than it is here.
>Cancel culture
>Politics
These aren't unique to vocaloid, it's a kids/USA thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24273548
The recommendation system was different back then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24271918
Normalfags

[Anonymous No.]

>>24273479
>Blatant pedophiles
How is that relevant at all aside from you pushing an agenda.
If anything happened, I would have heard about it and have seen vocaloid become less and less produced in the western market until recent years.
Provide proof first and a name and occurance of the bullshit happening as it is a western produced conflict.

It happens every time when a normie shows up. He gets his nuts twisted because a girl has a flat chest. If you want to live in a country where flatties are banned from adult material, go to fucking Australia or simply add boobs to your search results.

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>>24273810
Not talking about people getting a hard on for the vocaloids themselves. I don't give a shit about that. I'm talking about actual pedo scandals like the ones on VocaloidOtaku, Ortsa & neurotoxin, etc. due to the amount of kids in the community.

I agree w/ you that the kids who get pissed over pics of Miku's ass really don't have their priorities straight.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there still one? I kinda fell off the Vocaloid wagon a few years ago (though I still keep up with some of the non-Vocaloid work of several older Vocalo-Ps). I see CircusP is still shitting out songs while being an otherwise insufferable cunt but seems like otherwise most interest has dried up from what I can tell. Seems like it's back to the early days of just being a mega niche hobby for westerners. That's probably fine. Westerners who aren't all-in on the culture tend to be shitty fans anyway.

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>>24274084
Never heard about that. That's pretty fucked up- glad I'm miles away from it.
>>24274137
Still no notable, good western producers (god I hate CircusP) but there's still fans. I mean, Miku Expo sells tickets, so there's obviously something there. I think there's a good amount of westeners listening to the music without making original content. I have no problem with it going back to niche, though, and it's closer to that than it was in 2013.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24271918
>Why
One twitter account run by a mentally ill person

[Anonymous No.]

The western community for everything is shit though. I don't know why you'd pay it any attention outside of download sites, which are its only redeeming factor.

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>>24273479
If you mean lolicons, it's really people like you that cause unneeded waves and drama. Rin and Miku have always been targets of passion and there's nothing wrong with seeing them sexually.

[Anonymous No.]

I hate CircusP. That is all.

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>>24292128
read their other replies dummy

[Anonymous No.]

Normies

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>>24292460
>but feeeeemales ruin everything
okei

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>>24272613
who are you quoting

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>>24271918
It was really fucking bad from the beginning. There was a ton of misinformation normalfags were spreading about who was making the music, how it was being made, how the "robots" were singing during the concerts etc.

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>>24292530
Who quote?

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>>24273479
Is Ryo even known among most casual fans nowadays?

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>>24292710
Pretty sure they still know Melt, although they don't like it that much. Not sure if they know Ryo's name.

[Anonymous No.]

Only the western community commit such heinous acts like taking others' work for their own. You don't see Japanese people uploading producers' songs on niconico and stealing views. It really is fucked up.

>>24292406
Ah you're absolutely right, sorry. I can't believe I lack the basic etiquette to read the entire thread before posting. Please take this ugly Miku as apology.

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>>24293174
The Chinese and Koreans reprint all the time.

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>>24293182
So much so that they have made an art out of stealing IPs

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>>24273603
This is also the main reason newer fans are less invested, wether it is consuming vocaloid or creating new songs. How are they supposed to discover anything new if all that ever shows up on the algorythm are the same 20 most popular producers from a decade ago? Same with the search results, unless you sort by date but then the truly new stuff is drowned in heaps of badly tuned cover songs and I can understand that casuals are too lazy to bother with that.

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>>24273603
It makes me sad that I will never again be a middle-schooler going down the infinite Vocaloid recommendation hole.

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>>24293174
>You don't see Japanese people uploading producers' songs on niconico and stealing views.
Everyone does that, including the Japanese, on YouTube. Those videos get taken down all the time. It's less common now that many producers upload with their own official YT channels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24271918

the west never grew up with idol culture and were exposed to other things as they were growing up. Their earlier experiences in life lead the people in the west to apply the same things they've experienced earlier in their lives onto vocaloid. That might also explain why they're more interested in UTAU than vocaloid. the western fans just don't share the same vision as the japanese fans do. In a way, they WANT to be the vocaloid voice instead of being the ones supporting vocaloid...if that makes sense. On top of all of that, nobody (save for maybe lupin and Circrush) knows how to write songs properly. They lack discipline and the ability to dream. They just don't quite seem to understand what real art is all about. They love to stir a ton of drama, too. In a way, I just think the western fan's cardinal north is pointed in the south of Japan's compass. I honestly would like to be able to do something about the western community eventually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24274293
He ended it, by the way

[Anonymous No.]

A bit off topic, I could be classified as a Vocaloid casual. I only follow a few artists mainly because most don't interest me or I am not looking at the right places to discover. I mainly use Youtube to discover Vocaloid music but I realise it's limited in discovering anything that is not mainstream.

I'm not good at explaining what I am looking for in music but the artists I really like for almost all their works are Mitchie M, Electrocutica and LamazeP. Does anyone have any artists you can recommend to me based on on the styles of the artists I listed above? Or any obscure artists? (Not saying mainstream artists are bad, just that I probably have heard of them in my extensive search in Youtube)

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>>24294530
its too late, the damage has been done

[Anonymous No.]

>>24298303
I'm barely above casual but I guess I can try some recommendations:
LamazeP: oster project, 23.exe
Electrocutica: sasakure.uk, AvtechNO, Treow, maybe john or atols
Michie M: kz livetune, Yunosuke, Omoi

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>>24292710
I feel like Ryo's still somewhat known amongst casual fans. A lot of his songs are on Project Diva for one (Odds & Ends, World is Mine, Black Rock Shooter), and those same songs are usually the one's being recycled in YT recommendations over and over.

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>>24298303
Seconding the 23.exe rec. Maybe R Sound Design, Yunosuke, DATEKEN, emon, and tama (https://youtu.be/2xzZKpEIY-c).). You might like Cheetahgirl-P, who wrote bpm ft. Miku, but he has no youtube channel so it's a bit of a dig.
>>24293365
I feel this. I miss when the related videos were just that: videos related to the one I'm watching. It's all about your personal preferences now. The algorithm keeps giving me stuff I've heard before, not necessarily popular stuff, just things I've already clicked on.

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>>24293324
>20
Who the fuck even cares most people barely even know Miku isn't an "anime waifu". I've been in this shit since 2007 and I can't name 20 producers worth a damn. Just because no one listens to your sekrit klub literal who sold five CDs at M3 no names means nothing. Why don't you produce some content instead of shitposting?

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>>24293473
What in the FUCK does this have to do with idol culture.

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>>24301687
the west wants to transform the vocaloid idol culture into something less of an idol culture and more akin to the western music scene. western producers are more motivated to have fame and money along with having control over the songwriting instead of nourishing the growth of a community.

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>>24301669
>>24301669
>I've been in this shit since 2007 and I can't name 20 producers worth a damn
I'm sorry for your absolute and utter shit taste and/or lack of ability to breach out.
>Why don't you produce some content instead of shitposting?
Music isn't just "content", I am not the one getting overly aggressive over a simple discussion input to seek confrontation here and and I'm still to much of a noob to publish anything without doubts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24299869
>>24301549
Thanks, these are great suggestions. I have already picked up a couple of oster project albums. Will have to have to listen to the other ones a few more as one listen isn't enough to judge.
>You might like Cheetahgirl-P, who wrote bpm ft. Miku, but he has no youtube channel so it's a bit of a dig.
Looks like I have to dig around nico to find other obscure (at least in the West) artists.

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>>24305352
Honestly, I wouldn't have known about Cheetahgirl-P, it's just that bpm immediately came to mind when I thought about electropop songs. Niconico is kind of a bitch and I go for the official youtube upload if there is one.

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>>24294530
Oh thank FUCK, but as the other anon said, the faggot already dealt the damage

[Anonymous No.]

>>24310729
Yeah they ended the account earlier this month. I'm hoping the progressive bullshit they brought into the community stays within twitter and dies over time, but I doubt it. For now at least it seems to be kinda contained.

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>>24274293
>>24294530
Can I get a quick rundown? I don’t use twitter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24317703
I think they're referring to the twitter account "Miku Miku ebooks". The account was run by a trans and they're responsible for the shit tier "Miku made Minecraft" meme. Because of this account a lot of normies in lgbt twitter got involved in the community and for the most part it didn't end well. They'd make claims like "Miku is trans uwu" and accuse anyone who thought otherwise of being a transphobe. Really, they just turned the community into an even bigger cesspool. I purposefully chose to ignore the account so my rundown probably isn't that good. If someone else could give a better one that'd be great.

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>>24316364
I skimmed through that stupid goodbye post and good fucking riddance. I don't think the LGBTBBQ will seep any deeper than Twitter, those people don't use the internet any further than that.
>>24318420
Nah, you did well, you covered pretty much everything important.

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>>24318420
They are a "trans lesbian"? Why am I even surprised?

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>>24292530
What a shit post.

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>>24272613
>Children
What do you mean with children? Is this a matter of perspective as "I'm 40 years old and this 19 years old girl looks like a child to me" or actual >10yo children? I fail to picture such a young audience liking something as niche as vocaloid

[Anonymous No.]

Mikudb is shit and useless, slow asf adding stuff and whatever they upload can be found much earlier on other sites.

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>>24335448
No, I mean the 13~15ish age group. Not like <10 year olds, but young enough to act childish and bring the quality down a little. Young teenagers would have been better phrasing. Of course, it's a mixed bag; not every 15yo is annoying.
But you'd be surprised at how many people would say they were fans of vocaloid at age 12. I picked it up in elementary school (now 20). There's some transfer from anime and video game fandoms.

[Anonymous No.]

If you haven't heard this you're missing out
https://youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=OVwCr2MESfo

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>>24336602
Why not building an alternative on mega then? The pro of having backup copies on mega is you can insta copy the whole thing onto another account and have links surviving even after a random dmca strike
Most of the stuff on mikudb is hosted on gdrive or dropbox and it's totally not here to stay
Gdrive might offer more space but I believe they should migrate on mega for the reason I just explained
I still find the website useful as I don't have to go look anywhere else for stuff I need
Only times I had to make an effort was to download stuff they were asked to remove by authors themselves as Yunosuke

[Anonymous No.]

>>24336841
I got into vocaloid at 11 as well

[Anonymous No.]

>>24336841
>>24341827
When I was younger (10 years ago or something) I was introduced to the leek spinning miku but I never looked more into it and considered it just "a funny video on the internet"
During last 2-3 years I started listening to doujin albums, then shifted to actual jpop/jwhatever and in last months to vocaloid. I am 26 currently

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>>24336841
Yeah I got into it at 12. Actually how could someone not be familiar with the tween fans, Vocaloid was infamous for it's giant cringy tween fanbase?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24335448
what the fuck do you mean vocaloid fandom has always been full of zoomers, us oldfags are the minority

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>>24272613
>>24273479

>Ryo, Mitchie, and Wowaka

Whats wrong with this? Ive been listening to vocaloid for 11 years, my firs song was Ryo's Love is War. Which made me want to expand to other artists. Why do you hate on stepping grounds on newcommers? Let them enjoy it and seek more, the VocaFanbase is low as it is, were not a sikritclub.

btw i fucking love this wallpaper, ever since I saw it back in 2009

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>>24318420
i used to talk to the dude that ran it until i got banned from a mod's private server for disagreeing. i'm still in the server for the account because a friend (who also moderates it) dragged me there. don't know why i'm still there, i hate it

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>>24356781
also, the owner of the account also hates what the community became, it's hilarious

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>>24356654
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Ryo, Wowaka, and Mitchie. All three of them are great artists and they're great introductions to Vocaloid. However, It's the fact that many newcomers seem to refuse to breach out after that initial introduction that makes me kinda question the future of the fanbase. Obviously you don't have to know every single P name to be a ""true fan"", but only sticking to the extremely mainstream ones really limits things desu.

Also, that wallpaper is 10/10

[Anonymous No.]

>>24356654
Nice share. picrel is mine atm

[Anonymous No.]

>>24356802
He's a real doctor Frankenstein

[Anonymous No.]

>>24357660
>>24272613
What does P names mean? Always thought it was a song?
https://youtu.be/V4CS8HHSJR4

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>>24366139
I think he's referring to Author-P where -P is the constant (Producer) and Author is the variable

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>>24271918
>western community of anything
>not shit
Pick one.

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>>24363424
>>24357660

<3
I like them

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>>24356802
>hmm what wonders if I expose a bunch of mentally ill people to a community through a shitty, shortsighted meme
>oh no they beat it to death instantly and start spreading the cancer
Shit reminds me of Randy trying everything to get cancer

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>>24292460
So, basically, only men can like Vocaloid and participate in the fandom, and all female fans and producers are only in it for the male attention and are ruining everything? Okay then.

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>>24386960
Don't take low effort baits come on

[Anonymous No.]

Only western fandom would be this stupid and work for free

https://twitter.com/cowboy_bibimbap/status/1275559457242730497?s=21

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>>24387784
I don't follow the ENG fanbase, who the fuck is this and what are they talking about?

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>>24388094
They are talking about English Vocaloids
Supposedly the guy was a developer who worked for free as a teen

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>>24273479
>Ryo, Mitchie, and Wowaka
who even are those? legit I dont know, I stopped listening to Vocaloids in like 2014ish, are they like the miku, rin and luka of the past?

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>>24273479
>petty drama/cancel culture
Recently I saw some people arguing that LamazeP should be cancelled because of one song that uses Rana and has a theme around premature love or something like that.

In another day I saw a post arguing that NegiToro is bad because Luka is 20 and Miku is 16.

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>>24386960
See >>24301933

[Anonymous No.]

>>24387784
>>24390422
Wait, is this why all those Engloids sound bad? Because they were all worked on by the same people, or internet randos? I thought they were from different companies.

[Anonymous No.]

i want to love len tenderly

[Anonymous No.]

>>24391111
Are you being genuine? I can't tell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24400656
I hope it's bait because that'll make it my favorite bait post ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24400656
Looked like obvious satire to me.

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>>24271918
isnt it because its moved on and whats remaining is all garbage?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24393044
I want to ravage him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24273479
>characters being used to push certain political agendas
this specifically, vocaloids being used for lgbt activism, was the last straw for me on western society.

[Anonymous No.]

Happy birthday my love, youre my favorite vocaloid.

Ill make sure to jerk off to you tonight baby.

<3

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>>24271918
Personally, I always thought the Vocaloid community in the West was shit since the early 2010's.

So many weaboos roleplaying in the comment section back then.

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>>24435904
Think that was all kids. At least it gave us comedy gold.

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>>24272613
The games being shit, which i guess in a way is what connected new fans with old fans. And the concerts somehow being more profitable than everything else in the west.

I think it was the two big shows in LA and New York? then the David letterman episode? After that things kinda fell apart

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>>24391673
>one song that uses Rana and has a theme around premature love
You mean this one? I don't see anything that could be questionable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVEOwd0zPlk

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>>24436241
>David letterman episode
What the shit, this actually happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwJ1i5lCw0M

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>>24411934
What are you talking about? There have been tons and tons of yuri, yaoi and cross-dressing songs since day one.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know what you people expect from western fanbase of anything.

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>>24436241
>>24436982
I last paid attention to vocaloid somewhere around 2010, holy shit.

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>>24436565
He's talking about this whole drama
https://twitter.com/kiiboloid/status/1271146490577240066
https://youtu.be/TVEOwd0zPlk?t=134

[Anonymous No.]

Kairiki bear feat Rin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEuIHatfgkE

るりまる feat Miku
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDgyszwA_eQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>24273317
>mfw I didnt give a shit about vocaloid until I played project diva

guess Im a pleb

[Anonymous No.]

Where do you witness the "western vocaloid community?" Not trying to be a smart ass; I'm legitimately curious because I listen to a ton of vocaloid music, but I don't know anything about the community. Twitter, reddit, IRL conventions?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24460748
>I don't know anything about the community
It's probably for the best

[Anonymous No.]

It's hard to tell what the "community" is for Vocaloid in the west... It's so many different things all at once, from Project Diva fans to weird ass teens who don't even know what they're looking at. It's kind of a clusterfuck and for that reason I sort of struggle to see what's shit about it. If you want to laugh about it though, scrolling down on this page is a pretty good time https://twitter.com/VocaloidHell

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>>24462444
Geeze, people are so misinformed about Vocaloid in the west it baffles me. Especially with Miku, they see one music video then interpret Miku in the one way the video shows Miku as.

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>>24462444
never been more glad to not be a vocaloid secondary looking at that twitter page

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>>24436110
Holy shit. If the concept of Cringe was the Universe this pic must be the Big Bang.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24439323
Not the guy you replied to, but that's one thing, I can get into yuri and stuff like that. But the whole "Miku says trans rights!" shit that was going around was what killed the western side of the fanbase for me

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>>24464813
miku says whatever you want her to say. so, you know, maybe instead of just typing a post on twitter dot com saying "miku says trans rights" how about you actually just open vocaloid 4 and make her say it. or better yet, write a fucking song. you know, the thing she was made to do? aw shit never-mind, requires effort and all that...

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>>24464872
Might have to download vocaloid 4 and make her say a load of dumb shit for shitposting purposes. I'd do the making song thing too but too dumb for that

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>>24465130
I found it weird how they werent used for shitposts more
Those moonan songs had a shitty voice engine, how comes no one thought of using vocaloid dor that?

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>>24465995

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>>24466214
is miku an azi??

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>>24465130
Has anyone made Miku go "aeiou aeiou john madden john madden" yet?

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>>24465995
Back when Miku first released she was exclusively used for shitposts and dumb Japanese memes. What do you think popipo is? Then Supercell came along with Melt and people realized "hey, you can actually use this thing for music wow".

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>>24468097
>Then Supercell came along with Melt and people realized "hey, you can actually use this thing for music wow".
Weren't people like Baker, kz, OSTER, shu-tP, etc already active by the time ryo debuted? Hell, there were also people like cosMo and DeadBallP whose songs were indeed half actual music half shitpost.

[Anonymous No.]

anything related to weeb stuff has a terrible community these days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24468097
>exclusively
I'm a casual fan and I can't name many producers like >>24272613 suggests, but I listened to this the same week it came out. My earliest and favorite vocaloid song, and Po Pi Po didn't come out until a year later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvOuyeqoLw

[Anonymous No.]

Also I was just double checking some dates, melt came out in december 2007, and po pi po came out in december 2008. you got it twisted.

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>>24468097
I, too, like to make up "facts" that fit my narrative.

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>>24465130
Where would you dl it? I went to tpb and they had voc4, but only miku v2, so I had to dl voc3

[Anonymous No.]

>>24466433
Always has been

[Anonymous No.]

>>24465995
i was thinking of making moon man songs with vocaloid i'm lazy though and don't have time for that not to mention i'm uncreative so i was just gonna copy old songs.

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>>24462444
>twt account
I thought it would be some struggle tweets but that shit is just sad cringe, not even the slightest bit funny
>>24477679
The word you're looking for is "cover"

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>>24477679
moonman is ded imo

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>>24473967
downloading voicebanks from nyaa as we speak but no idea if additional software required

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>>24481333
As far as i know you just need the editor and the voicebanks

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>>24462444
>https://twitter.com/VocaloidHell
Eh, kids being kids. What's the big deal?

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>>24481550
the absolute state of amerimutts

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>>24473967
Audioz is the website you're looking for. Most banks I was curious about were there, although dead DL links were a problem for some old ones.

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>>24274084
The VocaloidOtaku pedophiles are the same group as Ortsa/Neurotoxin. The problem of actual pedos is huge but its from just one very active large group from the most part.

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>>24481777
>Ortsa/Neurotoxin
quick rundown on that? google doesnt turn up anything

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>>24480809
everything we love is dead

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>>24481777
>>24481900
Seconding this request, never heard about these people

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>>24478101
idk i only saw a couple that gave me sad cringe vibes. this shit is killing me.

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>>24483955
Is it weird that project diva was the only gane that made me cry?

[Anonymous No.]

Miku is the greatest

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>>24471565
I'd love to be proven wrong, bitch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DLpICVMnpk&list=LL&index=23

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>>24468097
>Back when Miku first released
>>24497728
>video from 2020

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>>24497728
>>24497852 This, what kind of shit are you trying to start?

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>>24497852
>>24497893
I'm legitimately confused, are you two retarded? You realize the content of the video is discussing the topic of Miku's introduction in the '07 era right? Is the concept of a documentary alien to you? Those things talk about events before their time just like this video is talking about when Miku first released. Why is the video not allowed to be uploaded in 2020? The future brings perspective and hindsight that can't be compared to times one is currently living in. Once again I'm taken aback by the massive stupidity of Anonymous. I really don't know what to say. What is wrong with you?

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>>24498400
You could have begun saying that instead of assuming everyone here knows japanese.
I thought you were using that video as an example of an old shitpost.

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>>24498400
Why don't you try addressing some of the points raised by other people instead of getting bootyblasted that /jp/ wasn't awestruck and totally convinced you were right because you posted a youtube ``documentary''?

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>>24498982
>instead of assuming everyone here knows japanese
This is /jp/. It should be a requirement to know Japanese to post here.

>>24498999
I wasn't calling that video a documentary I used it as a comparison that talking about the past is okay. I intended the real meat of my post to be the
>I'd love to be proven wrong
part. To sum it up roughly, Miku was saying how she was used as a tool by shitposters to sing or say stupid bullshit before Melt shook the foundation and caused a split between extreme otaku and music creators.
Anyway, I'm sorry. I'd still love to know your side of the story.

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>>24497728
You were already proven wrong.
>>24470438
Also
>Fanmade Vtuber pixiv fanbox leech
Absolute cancer.

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/potetopancakes/status/1278122505400705026
Also CircusP and CrusherP are both top 10 in their top VocaP poll

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>>24513788
>You were already proven wrong.
No I wasn't actually. No one provided any kind of valid information, including you. I guess a couple of ignorant secondaries are more knowledgeable than the Japanese people who actually experienced those times.
You are the cancerous kind of scum that won't even offer conflicting information or counter-arguments despite desperately pleading he's correct. Congratulations on being the specific kind of shit OP is complaining about. You are filth.

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>>24518166
>getting this butthurt

here >>24468097 you said popipo came before meltdown, and >>24470370 >>24470438 corrected you

then you post some vtuber video as proof

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>>24518166
While shitposts had a much stronger presence in 2007, how the hell did you get the impression they were the only thing Miku was used for? >>24470232 already listed many popular producers who appeared before Melt. You should at least know about Packaged and Koisuru VOC@LOID being released shortly after Miku came out as some of her first big hits. That's basic Miku history.
Maybe instead of watching random youtube videos about Vocaloid you should actually go to the scene of the happening. NND is still there for you to see Vocaloid's history.
https://www.nicovideo.jp/tag/ミクオリジナル曲?sort=f&order=a
These are Miku's original songs from oldest to newest. Even on the very first page you can see classic hits that were already popular at the time of release. Original songs had a strong presence from the beginning, Melt did not introduce the concept.
Since you implied Popipo came out before Melt you've already shown you don't have a good grasp of early Vocaloid, so quit bluffing. No one's buying it.