/tmg/ - Type-Moon General

[Anonymous No.]

This is a place to enjoy and discuss the works by Kinoko Nasu / TYPE-MOON

>Type-Moon Visual Novel Collection (Original Japanese)
https://mega.nz/#F!BA4yHYoT!NwGVKj4q9Z1vnpKlYY-4UQ

>Kara no Kyoukai the Garden of sinners
Kara no Kyoukai novel (Japanese)
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/shousetu/b/%E5%A5%88%E9%A0%88%E3%81%8D%E3%81%AE%E3%81%93_%E7%A9%BA%E3%81%AE%E5%A2%83%E7%95%8C/index.html
English translations by cokesakto
https://emptyboundaries.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/kara-no-kyokai-translations-2/
Kara no Kyoukai Anime Movies
https://nyaa.si/view/264295
Kara no Kyoukai Manga
https://nyaa.si/view/1187963

>Tsukihime (Moon Princess)
Tsukihime
https://mega.nz/#!6TBSSTbR!4O6JYv1dyyRw7GQeHJ4NIUYUTQ--tuy9H8s69HgL5lY
Tsukihime PLUS-DISC
https://nyaa.si/view/453758
Tsukihime Kagetsu Tohya
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2502321
Tsukihime Manga
https://mega.nz/#F!dRwwAZrT!uxmDDlwDTu3bgo9QIKgSrQ

>Melty Blood
MELTY BLOOD PC Collection (updated 2018-05-30)
https://nyaa.si/view/1042489
MBAACC - Community Edition
https://mega.nz/#!6FUx2C6a!L2AxbiQzPHtgRI3YPHv4NZfi2EYS9RMeNHoSp6pAcFw
Melty Blood Manga
https://mega.nz/#F!syICRSJI!TeAS9ZVFSDQigguqxn_MwA
Melty Blood - Back Alley Alliance Nightmare Manga
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16jgRv-WneCDBF324U_MFsuguPFTt2J0S

>Fate
Fate stay night [Réalta Nua]
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2725572
Fate hollow ataraxia
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2575055
Fate Zero
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B-5XtCxJULf4YWZfSkZKWGc2S2M
Lord El-Melloi II's Case Files
https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/5943-Lord-El-Melloi-II-Case-Files?p=3041785&viewfull=1#post3041785

>Mahou Tsukai no Yoru (Witch On The Holy Night)
VN: https://mega.nz/#F!YVkkhAjQ!Ggu2BS3MDfaofporByJsFw
English Patch: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nUY3G5Z8tgBnfvELhbLiYhmLolDI2TwC/
French Patch: https://github.com/IDerr/mahoyo-french

Other works
>Angel Voice (A doujin anthology that contains the short novel "Notes." written by Nasu, and the Manga "clowick canaan-vail" drawn by Takeuchi.)
http://www.mediafire.com/file/4w9jk2bwy8b0xsh/Angel_Notes.zip
>Fate Apocrypha
https://fateapocryphathetranslation.wordpress.com/
>Fate Extra
https://cdromance.com/psp/fate-extra-mod/
>Fate Prototype: Fragments of Sky Silver
https://mega.nz/#!aAsCybqb!WwnKiMn_HK9HqvA_myhLn5GM0yeAv8TTxyQsWWpqaGs
>Fire Girl
https://firegirlthetranslation.wordpress.com/
>Mahou Tsukai no Hako: Starlit Marmalade manga
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/lli17cum6jzg7/Marmalade
>Tsuki no Sango (Moon's Coral)
https://www.mediafire.com/?uq1eqhccbxhxktx
>Tsuki no Sango (Moon's Coral) Manga
https://mangadex.org/chapter/773842/1

Other links
>Beast's Lair
forums.nrvnqsr.com
>Encyclopedia of Type Moon
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B49crU71miHObWRvV2tDUllYTjQ
>Fate complete material II Character material
https://pastebin.com/Zjy1Sj6d
>Fate Franchise Loseless Soundtracks
https://mega.nz/#F!OQwx1DYA!1c0Dkm1VfOPpthg6etuU4g
>Type-Moon Comic Ace
https://web-ace.jp/tmca/
>TMdict: (a light-weight, multi-lingual TYPE-MOON glossary)
tmdict.com/
>Tsuki-kan (comprehensive record of real-world statements, interviews, Q&As, feature articles, etc)
tsukikan.com/
>Tsukihime Archives
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1NBqMPjBkGiNk9vIgOtPyjNnpxeH5fmHI
>Tsukihime doujins from 2008
https://mega.nz/#!fHgSVb5L!EPDHKU2KHLdjW1bM2b0-VV7WzrA9xPqrLnJTu0AkwyY
>TYPE-MOON 10th Anniversary Phantasm translation
http://heavens-feel.com/type-moon_10_anniversary_phantasm_translation.html
>Type-Moon Mega folders
https://mega.nz/#F!tBRTDDLT!6-uk9SmrvHKLFYU_3QTwgQ
https://mega.nz/#F!IEgnySDK!wvEo43UGmHFEKC1JBVykGw
>TM Mega Pastebin
https://pastebin.com/7W19Hevb

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[Anonymous No.]

>>23553732
>wait over a day for somebody to take up my slack
>it's a meh op

[Anonymous No.]

>>23553732
You sure took your damn time

[Anonymous No.]

Is it a good idea to read the current Mahoyo translations now or should I just wait a few more years until it's finished?

[Nuru No.]

Thanks anon! this really deserves a permalink

[Anonymous No.]

>>23555816
I'd wait myself.
All the really important stuff is summarised already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23555816
>wait a few more years
Why not do something useful with all the extra time corona-chan has given you and learn japanese?
>no more waiting for translations
>Understanding the porn comics of your favourite characters
>you could even drop your spaghetti in a new language if you meet a cute nip somewhere

[Anonymous No.]

>>23556383
Actually, good point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23556383
For the millionth time, this is futile.
>Understanding the porn comics of your favourite characters
You can basically guess 95% of the lines correctly anyway, and 99% of those are meaningless.
And when your favourite characters have fuck all doujins, it doesn't really matter, does it?
Give it 20 more years and the language barrier will be torn apart forever by tech anyway.
It is only worth it if you are a genuine otaku, which basically only /jp/ is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23556502
If you're just learning to read and not speak or write, then it's worth it. It's going to take more than a decade for us to have A.I. that will translate Japanese properly for us as currently, we are nowhere close.

Honestly just learning the grammar and having to rely on a dictionary constantly won't hurt as much as not reading it at all and constantly wondering just how good that thing you've been wanting to read is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23557306
How good is JP machine translation right now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23557549
Google Translate is the best one. It can mess up the simplest sentences, it's actually horrible. Just try it out with any line. You're much better off learning the grammar and inputting lines into jisho.org.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23555816
Read it. Not like it's gonna take you long to finish eight chapters. Only chapter five is really long but pretty awesome.

[Anonymous No.]

>almost 10 years
>still no mahoyo translation
>still no mahoyo 2
I blame FGO. Nasu too busy doing cocaine and fucking JK hookers now with his FGO otakubux to actually get back to writing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23560412
He has no reason to work hard. FGO makes a stupid amount of money so he has no incentive to push out new work, especially since Mahoyo isn't as popular as F/SN or even Tsukihime.

[Anonymous No.]

Jouji Nakata (Araya Souren, Nero Chaos, Kotomine Kirei) in Doom Eternal

https://youtu.be/C-XO5617n1c

[Anonymous No.]

>>23560807
Nasu wanted Mahoyo to be a another super duper megahit, but it only sold "fairly well". I guess it broke his soul or something so he just became a greedy, lazy faggot instead.

[Anonymous No.]

Praise FGO.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23557306
>Honestly just learning the grammar and having to rely on a dictionary constantly won't hurt as much as not reading it at all and constantly wondering just how good that thing you've been wanting to read is.
Except JSL's always exaggerate how important this actually is to the vast majority of EoP's.
Learning a language for a hobby is plain arrogance if that is what you are investing most of your time into.
Unless Japanese media is your entire livelihood or you want to make a business out of the language, sure.
But otherwise you're preaching to the antichoir.

For the last time, keep this discussion off of /tmg/, enjoy your knowledge instead of trying to force it down to everyone, you fucks are almost as annoying as FGO faggots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23561519
>Nasu wanted Mahoyo to be a another super duper megahit
At no point was this the intended goal, to be another Fate or Tsuki.
Had Nasu wanted that, he would've had Takeuchi telling him to make massive changes, ruining Nasu's creative integrity of what he wanted it to be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23562097
>Learning a language for a hobby is plain arrogance if that is what you are investing most of your time into.
Did you seriously just type that? Read that sentence a few times and ponder on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23562106
Mahoyo was a passion project that he wanted everyone to appreciate. He's also a big super sensitive baby, so he was disappointed that it didn't sell nearly as much as his past works. After that, he gave fully into Takeuchi's management and just created lazy cashgrabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23562190
That was a big typo.
I mean unless that is what you invest most of your time into.
Still, you should have a life outside of this crap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23562231
I appreciate it, that is all that really matters.
Too bad Nasu couldn't see that an all ages kinetic novel, at full price for 1/3rd the length of a typical full work in a weakening market was destined to not sell like his previous stuff.
If he really though TM's name alone could justify it, he was wrong.
The final nail is that it isn't a 1st person self insert work either, it is very much written like a traditional novel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23562097
>Except JSL's always exaggerate how important this actually is to the vast majority of EoP's.
We don't exaggerate. We say what we say because people exaggerate how hard Japanese actually is. As I've mentioned WE ARE NOT LEARNING THE LANGUAGE. You don't even have to learn pitch accents, how to speak properly, or hell, even the readings for Kanji. Just grammar and meanings. You don't have to invest a crazy time into it. In fact, the recommended way is doing just 20 new vocab words a day. That is basically no time out of your day whatsoever, which usually takes me 15 minutes including the words I have to review.
>Learning a language for a hobby is plain arrogance if that is what you are investing most of your time into.
It's not. We are investing time in our hobby. We are interested in getting more out of it, that's how it works. Just like how you would spend more money in order to get a better model plane, we are spending a small amount of time each day to open up our possibilities to new things within our hobby. Sticking to just English when our hobby is inherently Japanese is limiting and everyone realizes that. If you're in this board, hell, even this thread you're already deep enough into your hobby that you will have many things you want to read in Japanese. Either you put those on the shelf forever and forget them or start the next step.
>Unless Japanese media is your entire livelihood or you want to make a business out of the language, sure.
An EOP once again overestimating Japanese from a completely uninformed perspective. Good job anon. And once again, anyone who "learns" Japanese from the "VN reader" way will NOT be suitable to do anything else but read. Not even write.
>But otherwise you're preaching to the antichoir.
We are in /jp/. I'm preaching to the choir.
>enjoy your knowledge instead of trying to force it down to everyone
I'm not forcing down anything. This has been a part of this thread for a long time. TM has many bad or non-existing translations, so in order to truly dive deep its advised. He asked, I simply answered. And now that our lives aren't as busy because of quarantine, its even more possible to slot a couple of minutes for it.

Don't speak about things you're uninformed on. It just makes you look stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

Mahoyo is Nasu's peak as writer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23562850
I wish he had someone to proofread it for typos though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23562751
He never asked to learn nipponese well enough to read though.
You suggested it because you have found great value for it yourself and therefore think anyone could.
Unless a person actually shows intent to learn, refrain from suggesting it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23563259
And I'll say it once again, /tmg/ is not a /jp/ general, it is just /tmg/.
Some people here do subscribe to /jp/'s culture, but this general was born from /a/, /v/ and /vg/'s culture.

[Anonymous No.]

Akiha a qt

[Anonymous No.]

>>23563562
fax

[Anonymous No.]

>>23563269
>this general was born from /a/, /v/ and /vg/'s culture
What a mutt.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>23564108

[Anonymous No.]

>>23564115

[Anonymous No.]

>>23564118

[Anonymous No.]

>>23557549
DeepL made major strides in translation. It's pretty amazing, some Anon made some extensions for it to work with Textractor so that you can machine translate VNs on the fly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23564614
Unfortunately DeepL is completely useless for anything written by Nasu.

[Anonymous No.]

Machine learning is not a substitute for human learning. Read nigga read

[Anonymous No.]

>>23553732
Turns out Tsukihime is one of many visual novels I downloaded on a whim and just haven't played yet. Thanks for the recommend bro, I'll get on it asap.

[Anonymous No.]

>"I'm looking forward that people who are currently playing FGO can become creators and make my favorite games in the future" - Nasu
lmao
this is from F/SN 15th book by the way

[Anonymous No.]

>>23566112
Is he getting senile? the aniplex guy had to convince him to make FGO because he doesn't like smartphone games. Does he actually think FGO is above other smartphone games and the playerbase will turn into console devs?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23566312
It has been 7 years since 2013, anon. I wouldn't be surprised if Nasu has changed his opinion on mobage platform.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23566312
>>23566360
>At the time FGO was suggested, Nasu actually disliked smartphone games as a genre. He thought it’d be entirely not fun at all if they made one. But since they could feel that smartphones were becoming a mainstream platform for entertainment, TYPE-MOON took on that challenge. But even then Nasu was the type of person who disliked online games, saying “games should be played alone!” and “I don’t need to be connected to other people!”
>Why then did FGO have online elements if he disliked online games? Because he played Demon’s Souls and that contributed greatly to changing his perspective on online. Demon’s Souls has a weak connection between players, and the only thing conveyed to the player is that “there’s someone else in this world”. That was very impactful for him.
>He talks about how Tsukurimonoji, FSN and Mahou Tsukai’s scripter, went full otaku over Demon’s Souls. They were chatting on the phone about how good Demon’s Souls was and that’s when Nasu decided it’d be alright to have online elements in FGO.
>Like Demon’s Souls, FGO is a world where you are alone even though it is full of other players.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23566312
>Is he getting senile?
Money changes people
FGO literally prints money no matter how bad it is so you can see how he'd develop an attachment to it

[Anonymous No.]

>>23566112
Considering Nasu's game influences are legendary titles, he is seriously not holding a mobile Skinner box to that level, is he?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23566312
FGO is TM cashcow anon. It's getting a tons of money and its popularity is too huge. Hell, it's literally trending no.1 worldwide on twitter right now because of that free SSR thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23562437
Which is why it's very likely his most personal works, he didn't tried to appeal to le epic otaku and put sexual content or romance in it, he just wrote the story he always wanted to since his adolescence which is why the VN has a very nostalgic feels to it whith every characters having a strong link with their pasts.

I'm glad Mahoyo exist

[Anonymous No.]

>>23565173
Too much Nasu chuunispeak for a machine translation to work on?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23567039
I feel the same way.
If anything could be considered pleb filter, Mahoyo is it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23566625
how does that matter to my post? You don't see Nasu review fucking gacha games on his blog, it's all console/board games and manga

[Anonymous No.]

>>23565950
No matter how tempting the choice may seem at the time do no violate the hired help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23567260
You don't even need to get chuuni to confuse mtl. If the sentences deviate even a little bit from being completely straightforward, everything just falls apart. At this point, I think it can work only with the simplest moege and nukige.

[Anonymous No.]

Translating foreign languages is one of the worst possible things you could use machine learning for. It's not going to happen anytime soon. If machines ever figure out how to seamlessly translate language, we've pretty crossed into true AI territory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23567689
When I didn't understand something while reading Mahoyo I sometimes used DeepL to check with the French tl and it was working really fucking good. So you can't really say that about all foreign languages.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23567785
So if I wanted to read Mahoyo I could hook up DeepL to the French translations and get something sensible?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23567785
I'd be highly skeptical of the accuracy. One of the things machine learning relies on is a high quality set of training data. However, languages do not have an inherent 1-to-1 relationship with each other. What may be correct in one context could be totally wrong in another context. Languages don't follow consistent, logical rules either so to me it is not clear how you could build a quality set of training data for any natural language that encapsulates all of it's quirks and nuances.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23567785
how would you know? you didn't understand the original sentence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23567820
When reading the mtl from French I already had some basis of what was going on from Japanese, so I might have unconsciously filled in some context that could be missing. So I don't really know how to answer.
>>23567876
>>23567884
That's fair.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23567314
Too bad all we will see is more gacha shit. Thanks to FGO and Nasu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23567039
>>23567281
Thanks for saying what I couldn't point out about mahoyo.

I really love it very much too and I consider it to be the best VN nasu have ever done (not in terms of concept and stuff but its just much more enjoyable overall.) HA is up there too.

[Anonymous No.]

So we're all fine with the Tsukihime remake just being the Sacchin route only right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23568178
Naturally. Her route is what should be adapted by Ufo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23563259
>Unless a person actually shows intent to learn, refrain from suggesting it.
Oh noooo some random retard that really hates Japanese is telling me to refrain from suggesting the obvious, what am I gonna doooooo
>>23563269
>not a /jp/ general
>Type-Moon general
>in /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>23562437
Nasu should just published Mahoyo 2&3 as YA novels. We would miss on the awesome art and music, true, but that's life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23567689
>>23567876
https://www.deepl.com/
Quite literally the future is now old man. Try it out with something that's already translated and compare the difference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23570235
Holy shit you're right dude. It's way better than Google translate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23567388
Duly noted bro. I'm more of a slow burn type anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23570235
>>23570299
I typed a sentence from a book I had lying around into it and it's basically google translate-tier so not a good first impression.

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>>23568178
I'm the only one that thinks that these look retarded?
Without these I think whe would look better.

[None !!BxJDSpAJCGo No.]

>want a transcription of a TM Drama Cd
>test IBM's Watson speech-to-text
output: https://pastebin.com/U6b388B2

Maybe in ten years. I know STT is harder because of things line emotion/speed, but it was an interesting experiment nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23570337
>IBM's Watson
Shouldn't you use something else? I'm assuming Watson is shit at at Japanese. Surely something else can do better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23570318
DeepL doesn't work a lot with japanese because it was added recently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23570318
DeepL doesn't work much with japanese because it was added recently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23568941
You make it sound as if he already had 2 and 3 planned out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23570325
Somehow I never managed to even notice those on her but now that you mention it those do like kind of odd. Then again I don't really like twintails at all either and would prefer that old long haired Sacchin concept art.

[None !!BxJDSpAJCGo No.]

>>23570356
>Shouldn't you use something else?
Perhaps. I'll search for more alternatives later. For now, I'll try with a more slowed paced track and see what happens.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23570318
DeepL is the best translator for all the European languages listed, it hardly gets anything wrong, and if it does it's very easy to figure out. I'm the guy who said the best was Google Translate. I didn't know Japanese or Chinese were added, so it must be recent. Don't expect it to be good yet.

You can also see alternate translations for words by clicking on them. It changes the whole sentence if you change a word, so for example, if you clicked at that first word and clicked on the other options, the more accurate sentence could pop up. DeepL is actually the future.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23570388
I'll be fair. It did handle this much, much better than google although it fucked up by adding "home" in out of nowhere. It's still better than that abortion of a translation from google.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23570490
Shit wrong picture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23570455
Is this an old Takeuchi planned novel?

[None !!BxJDSpAJCGo No.]

>>23570527
Discarded designs of a few characters from https://heavens-feel.com/starlitmarmaladevol1disc1translation.html
It's just Takeuchi samefacing as always.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23570564
Does he really think people like his generic art style that much? Why does he keep half-assing stuff instead of just offloading it to a better artist so he can concentrate on being the suit he is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23570730
It's a pretty easy to recognize style. It doesn't really seem all that generic to me.

[Anonymous No.]

Akiha makes me smile

[Anonymous No.]

Going to play Tsukihime soon, how long does it take to finish compared to F/SN and F/HA?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23566550
>Considering Nasu's game influences are legendary titles

Explain

[Anonymous No.]

>>23573087
It's shorter than both I think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23570412
He should at the very least have an idea of where he wants to take them. Plot points, themes, etc especially for 2.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23570918
I wonder how Akiha feels having an airhead vampire or curry senpai as her sister in law in the other routes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23560807
>Mahoyo isn't as popular as F/SN or even Tsukihime.
I feel Mahoyo is a better story overall than any 1 route in either Tsuki or FSN.

>>23562106 >At no point was this the intended goal, to be another Fate or Tsuki.
>>23562231 >Mahoyo was a passion project that he wanted everyone to appreciate.
Got to agree with these.

>>23562437 >Too bad Nasu couldn't see that an all ages kinetic novel, at full price for 1/3rd the length of a typical full work in a weakening market was destined to not sell like his previous stuff.
Also shifting demographics towards mobile too. Didn't help that the budget was pretty large for a small return.

>The final nail is that it isn't a 1st person self insert work either, it is very much written like a traditional novel.
The traditional novel part is a plus overall. Feels like his KnK writing. It's a superior story and Nasu really put the time into it. You can tell he learned and tried to repeat his success from Tsuki->FSN by reducing the number of main girls too.

It's a couple of things including demographics shifting away from PC to mobile, higher budget VN to tell a more traditional story that doesn't pander to otaku, and the cost to content ratio.

Mayoho would have great as 3 part light novel series.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23575333
>Mayoho would have great as 3 part light novel series.
Wasn't Mahoyo originally a novel?
But being honest here, I believe the VN format has its appeal, and there's much more than the text to it, so it would be sad not seeing the whole story on the VN format.
But at this point on time it feels that we'll never see another T-P VN ever again....

[Anonymous No.]

>>23575333
>>23575410
Seeing how TM is these days, it might be a blessing in disguise that Mahoyo is a kinda low key work.

[Anonymous No.]

Thought the AlicexSoujuurou thing was a meme but it does seem true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23575410
Mahoyo was originally in novel. Supposedly, Nasu only gave a few copies to those close to him. Shit must be worth a ton. But that Mahoyo wasn't nearly as expansive as the one we got.

> I believe the VN format has its appeal
I can agree that VN format itself does, but I'm saying maybe not all stories are great told as VN. Mahoyo originally was a book and Nasu rewrote it to be very book like.

VN adds a lot of things like sound, choices, and branching stories. However Mahoyo doesn't do those.
It's written like a book in VN form. The visual art, effects, and music score are excellent, but I suspect they cost TM a pretty money and that's why they were charging those prices for the game which some feel was short with little replay value. IMO if you want to just tell a story with no choices another medium like LN would be better.

>>23575439
Blessing in that sense, but also a curse since there's still no translations and in almost a decade...

[Anonymous No.]

>>23575410
While I agree that he could've worked as a standard novel I have to say that Koyama and Fukasawa really did a incredible job with the graphic and musical part contributing to the incredible immersion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23576325
Umineko is a kinetic novel that doesn't have choices, self inset or even nsfw but it still remains one of the most highly rated and well regarded VN of all time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23577372
it helps that Umineko didn't release 1 episode and then stopped for 8+ years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23577372
Umineko has one (1) choice.
>one of the most highly rated and well regarded VNs of all time
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>23577372
I like umineko but I find it overated. The story is great in concept but the meta plot is better than the actual story itself, which is a dull read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23578104
what do you mean by the meta plot ? and I agree that overall the story was not that good but what was striking to me was the overall message of everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23564115
Why is she so cute!

[Anonymous No.]

>>23578092
I'm not the one to choose which thing is popular or not, popularity is something objective and you just have to go on vndb to see that a lot of people like it.

[Anonymous No.]

How are the KnK movies compared to the LNs? Are they a good adaption?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23580450
They're good enough adaptations and have good animation. Bonus points for being done before Ufotable forgot how to draw noses.
KnK6 is an absolute mess though, so at least try and read that one if you plan on only watching the movies.

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>>23580450
Mostly good. Some I think work better as books; some work better as movies. Your mileage may vary. The one thing that's not debatable is that movie 6 completely fucking butchered the book and took out anything interesting about it.

>>23580546
They're also before ufotable's action scenes became 90% sfx.

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Does anyone know where I can find all the images used in F/SN? Background art, character sprites, etc?

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>>23580618
I need this but for Mahoyo, FSN would be nice as well though.

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>>23580618
>>23581045
I use a program called GARbro to extract those resources from VNs
https://github.com/morkt/GARbro/releases
It works for F/SN (see pic related) not sure if it works with Mahoyo but you could give it a try anon.

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>>23581613
Oh shit, thank you anon.

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>>23578148
Hours later, but I mean figuring out the mystery and the story hidden within the story was the most fun part. Umineko is more fun talking about than actually reading. I'd rather a story that can do both. Good concept with solid ideas, poor execution.

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>>23578861
>VNDB
VNDB means nothing you idiot, if you want an aggregate of VN popularity you go to EGS.

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https://ure.pia.co.jp/articles/-/644421
Mahoyo was the 2nd highest selling PC game in the last decade (Japan), beating out Minecraft, Dragon Quest, and Rewrite. The only game that beat it was a new DLC release for FF14, an already pre-established title (if I'm reading this correctly).

Mahoyo sold extremely well. I'm preaching to the choir at this point, but this most definitely confirms that a sequel was not developed because of FGO revenue. If Mahoyo didn't sell well then its a business decision to not make a sequel, but since it did then it means that they just don't want to (most likely because they have a new revenue stream).

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>>23583059
>Mahoyo was the 2nd highest selling PC game in the last decade (Japan), beating out Minecraft, Dragon Quest, and Rewrite
Okay, honestly I had no idea it sold that well. Wow.

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>>23583059
That's package releases only, it doesn't include digital sale numbers which is where the bulk of PC game sales come from. Still impressive but saying it's the second best selling PC game period is misleading.
>If Mahoyo didn't sell well then its a business decision to not make a sequel, but since it did then it means that they just don't want to (most likely because they have a new revenue stream).
Strange business decision when we had both Nasu and Koyama confirm that Mahoyo 2 was in production with assets being made by the time Mahoyo had released.

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>>23583161
>Still impressive but saying it's the second best selling PC game period is misleading.
Yeah sorry, should have stated as such. Though it must be said that package sales in Japan are far more popular when it comes to games than the US, which has been dying down for years.
>Strange business decision when we had both Nasu and Koyama confirm that Mahoyo 2 was in production with assets being made by the time Mahoyo had released.
It's not unlikely, Mahoyo was delayed for ~3 years IIRC, so if you apply the same logic it wasn't finished by the time FGO rolled (pun intended) around. After that, I think TM focused all resources on GO and Mahoyo was forgotten.

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>>23583282
Nasu explicitly said Mahoyo 2 and 3 were on their way to come out within a year and 2 years respectively and that he knew Mahoyos production was a mess and they would avoid what lead to delays before. He was most likely just bullshitting for the interview but he must have had some confidence he could get the sequel out within a couple of years, and FGO didn't come until 3 or so after Mahoyo 1. I've always wished someone at Typemoon would come forward with some real reason for why the series has seemingly been abandoned because there's enough leeway with the time period involved that it could be any number of different things.

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>>23583308
>FGO didn't come until 3 or so after Mahoyo 1.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The production might have been a mess like 1 was (assuming Nasu was talking out of his ass), and 2/3 was delayed/in production hell for those 3 years. And after FGO they decided that would be their focus from then on.

I also wish they would, but I think at this point no matter the response they give, it would make long-time fans mad. The only thing that could repair the relationship would be a new release.

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>>23583349
Nasu will probably just make Mahoyo 2 an FGO collab event and then beg all his old fans to consider FGO the spiritual successor to Mahoyo like they should F/SN

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>>23577372
>Umineko is a kinetic novel that doesn't have choices
See >>23578092
>Umineko has one (1) choice. (based seacatchad)
Also Umineko is a mystery novel.
There is heavy readers engagement with it and R07 by trying to solve the mystery rather than actually inputting choices.

>no self inset
What are you talking about? Umineko is written in 1st person POV. You can self-insert as battler, goat-kun, one of the witches, ange, erika, etcetec. Heck, there were entire segments from Kinzo's pov and even one from Kraus' POV where he boxes a giant goat man.

>>23578104
You lack love.

>>23580450
KnK OSTs are pretty damn good. Not just my personal opinion, but also sales and how TM instantly shifted away from DEEN.
>inb4 >shift away DEEN >hard
It's hard in Japan where it's about relationships, muh honor bound to stick with business connections, seniority, and backroom deals. Sure DEEN sucked ass, but UFO got everything afterwards because they blew not only DEEN but most of the market out of the water with their snazzy way of using CGI and added effects.

Back to KnK novel comparison to the anime:
I'll say the music score is the best. UFO graphics are pleasant but reading KnK felt different since you get more psychological stuff and internal thoughts like with Shiki's internal thoughts and personalities. UFO also sets the darker mood of KnK pretty well visually, but lacks the same feel that the books give.

An example of something UFO did well was visually showing Shiki seeing non-physical things and cutting them, using their own interpretation showing Shiki escaping the meta-physical prision in paradox spiral ep, and that visual of Shiki just wrecking the bridge.

On the other hand you'll miss out on many of the internal thoughts, smaller subplots or details, or things that UFO couldn't really show. An example would be how they showed VOID Shiki using a katana, looking in a trance, and moving real fast. Reality is 3rd personality Shiki is much more broken tier hax than that. 3rd personality is the one connected to the root (like Tohno) and has no trouble killing concepts or the nonphysical (like personality 1&2), but where void becomes broken is how she realizes she can rearrange everything around her relative to herself as concepts of things and "Kill" those.
>Physical Shield?
>Kill the shield (Tohno)
>Trap me in illusion/RM?
>Kill the metaphysical (Ryogi)
>You're archetype earth who's floating in the air, with a non-physical barrier around you, absolutely invulnerable at night, and planning to dropping moon on me?
>Kill the "distance" between herself and the barrier. Kill the barrier. Kill the "distance" between herself and Archtype. Kill the "night" around that's giving invulnerability. And if need be kill the moon. (Will mention that Archetype has no natural death which is different from Arc's night invulnerability, but in theory Shiki can kill "not having a natural death" too but Nasu never expanded on upon where that comes from)
Shiki is Nasu's waifu.
OFC he's make VOID to theoretically have close to no upper limit beyond her own mind.

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>>23583419
>Shiki is Nasu's waifu.
Oh my sweet summer child.

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>>23584019
>>23583419
Nasu changes his favourite character every interview.

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Who is your favorite TM character and what is your favorite TM/Nasu work /tmg/?

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>>23584019
>aoko
>doesn't even post JK aoko
Nope.

>>23584169
Nasu's waifufag ranking is R.Shiki > JK aoko > Arc > Saber
You can tell because Nasu keeps shilling her in everything even though Saber is the most popular and Arc is the logo.

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>>23584169
I'm sure Aoko/Rin/Tamamo are still his favorite characters now

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>>23583419
Wait a minute, is that VOID Shiki fighting Araya at the end of KnK 5?

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I wonder who Takeuchi's favorite character is. It's really hard to tell.

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>>23584751
Saber, obviously?

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>>23584375
>character
It's hard to pick, but thinking it over it's Ryougi for me. Her entire character and development is fascinating.

>favorite TM/Nasu work
Mahoyo or F/SN probably.

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>>23580618
God, Shirou is such a lovable dork.

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>>23583364
Nasu being sad that old fans don't like FGO will never not warm my heart.

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>>23585312
He mentioned that in an interview?

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>>23584492
Aoko is Aoko.

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>>23585375
Yeah he said he knew a lot of his pre-FGO fanbase thought FGO was shallow trash. He also said they were wrong though.

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>>23585625
Could you post it?

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>>23585971
>Nasu: I’m feeling very fulfilled as a writer when I work on FGO. There’s valuable work to be found outside of visual novels too, after all.

>Kajita: I can tell just how motivated you are just by reading the story.

>Nasu: Right now, I use up about half of my time on FGO. Veteran TYPE-MOON fans might say that this is shallow, and that might be the way it looks after I opened the floodgates for more people to enjoy our work.
>But our essence has not changed at all, and we try to make FGO such that if you keep sticking with us, you would see at the end that we’re the same old TYPE-MOON. Please do stay with us until the end. It might feel a bit different from the old TYPE-MOON where we exposed our style at full strength right at the start, but the core parts remain the same.

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>>23586076
God, I hate Nasu.

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heels

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>>23586245

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>>23586245
still can't get how stupid that design is, like seriously what the hell Takeuchi?
by the way, Olga's CS in Lostroom can be seen on U-Olga's medal pendant

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>>23586076
>we try to make FGO such that if you keep sticking with us, you would see at the end that we’re the same old TYPE-MOON. Please do stay with us until the end. It might feel a bit different from the old TYPE-MOON where we exposed our style at full strength right at the start, but the core parts remain the same.
>>23586245
>this is the end Nasu was talking about

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4Gamer:
>It's particularly interesting that there will be sequels, the reason Aoko was chosen to inherit the Aozaki family's heritage over Touko was not clearly states in the first game, is this something that will be explained in later works?

Nasu:
>There are hints spread throughout the story, people with good intuition should have already noticed. Aoko's magic circuit itself is a hint. Even though Touko's magic circuit is one of the best in the world, Aozaki's fifth magic does not require that kind of thing. Rather, Aoko's pureness is more suitable, something like that.

4Gamer:
>Regarding the fifth magic itself, there are still many secrets.

Nasu:
>I'm sure everyone is interested in that part... sorry, but the explanation for that will come in the future. This is also related to the "advancing civilization" we talked about earlier...

4Gamer:
>Soujuro, who came from the forest and gradually became weaker as he made contact with civilization, and Aoko who is watching him, something like that?

Nasu:
>This was already mentioned in the game. Alice represents Medieval Civilization, while Aoko represents Consumption Civilization. The reason why Aoko is called the "newest" magician, the answer to this is also found in the fifth magic.

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>>23586383
>advancing civilisation
>oh btw civilisations from tens of thousands of years ago were eons more scientifically advanced than we were and had tons of magic too lmao

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>>23586430
magic was everywhere back in AoG since they're pretty much living side-by-side with the Root
by this time (modern era), there are only five magics left and it's kinda hinted that humans will have to "overcome" it in the future
>Aoko: There were five. But the final tasks that will remain in the end for mankind are five, is what the very first....
basically as far as i understand, advancing civilization is the same as destroying mystery and stuff. we literally have this
>Defiler of mysteries, spoiler of traditions: the fearless representative of humanity!
line regarding Aoko during her battle against Flat Snark

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>>23586551
My point was civilisation was MORE advanced back when they had more mystery.

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>>23586562
but humans had to rely on the Gods in AoG

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>>23586577
They do that in 2020 too, FGO is literally 'aaaaaah gods help us: the game'

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>>23586383
For the "advancing civilization" Nasu mentioned earlier in that interview
>For example, when Soujuro first arrived from the mountains in Chapter 1, he was stronger than any other TYPE-MOON protagonist. As he got used to civilization, and settled down as an "individual," he gradually became weaker. 「Mahoyo」's topics are really things like "urban and wilderness" and "advancing civilization." People who have no knowledge of things outside of nature, fallen as a creature due to being too close to happiness. Soujuro who is always changing, Alice who has not changed all her life, and Aoko who continuously attracts new things, the three of them converge in that mansion. When someone looks back at this story much later thinking "we lived through that miraculous time," isn't that what youth is all about?

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>>23586583
No? If anything it's about the Gods getting BTFO'd every other chapter since Nasu's such a humanityfag.

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>>23586823
>Gods getting BTFO'd
by other God's most of the time

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>>23586854
but those Gods/DS were technically servants and therefore still got backup and relied on humans

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>>23586897
>therefore still got backup and relied on humans
Except it was chaldea that was relying on them and what backup those weak CS's of chaleda's or the other servants that is full of god's, demigods and other nonhumans.

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>>23586823
FGO isn't humanityfag at all, have you played it? Literally every single chapter is humans getting their ass kicked and begging demigods or actual gods to save them. It doesn't matter if they are fighting gods in the first place, if the situation is only a god can beat a god how the fuck is that the power of humanity? When has a normal human done anything of any worth in FGO?

You can't have a setting where scientific and civilisational advancement drives away magic and mystery and the divine if the previous existing divine, magic and mysterious civilisations were ALSO so far advanced they were fucking sci-fi.

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>>23587036
>When has a normal human done anything of any worth in FGO?

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>>23553732
where's fgo?

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>>23587036
>When has a normal human done anything of any worth in FGO?
Nice bait.

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>>23587117
>>>/vg/

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>>23584699
This question is for Mr. Kinoko and Takashi: Out of all the Fate characters, who would you want as a bride? (Without worrying about gender) <Ritsuka>
Nasu Rin has been at the top of my list for the last ten years, since she could totally lead such a lost cause as myself. But now, as useless as I am, I would plot to make Kitsune my someone special.
Takeuchi With a thought like that you really are hopeless.
Nasu And what about you? Probably Saber, right?
Takeuchi It's because she's a glimmering star just out of reach that she's beautiful. I couldn't call her my bride. Though for some reason I think Shielder from Grand Order would be the ideal bride.
Nasu Really? No kidding (smirks). I guess you can look forward to the next volume of Grand Order!

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>>23586936
Servants can't be summoned when humans have no wills (aka Alaya doesn't exist). The biggest example is in LB3 where Chaldea had to summon servants from their Spiritual Foundation Graph, Red Hare and Chen Gong only showed up after the LB habitants got inspired by Spartacus' sacrifice. We also know that in Tsukihime worldline which has weak Human Order, HS from the throne can't be summoned as servants.
Also i'm talking about servants, not Gods or Diving Spirit.

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>>23587189
And don't forget how angry Hinako/Yu was when QSH told her to go to the Throne of Heroes for the sake of her husbando. Because no matter your origin is, elemental or gods or aliens or whatever, going to the Throne is the same as being the slave of Alaya and humanity.

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>>23587036
It's the power of humanity because Nasu is a retard and in his mind servants getting summoned and protecting humanity equals humanity being great.
FGO's main character literally can't do fucking everything and every character in the game tells him how great he is, even the fucking villains.

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Ever notice Arihiko is literally just Kuwabara from YYH?

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>>23587036
They only seem advanced because the old civilizations ran all their technologies with Age of Gods magic, and even then that technology has nothing on modern humanity's science with shit like black barrel and especially in the future where a guy named Ado Edem has a weapon that one shots TYPEs.

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>>23587109
That doesn't answer his question

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>>23586076

SO EVEN OLD FANS KNEW THIS AND NASU STILL KEPT DOING IT AND ALSO SAYING HE'S SAYING THEY'RE WRONG

WTF NASUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

I'M SO BAFFLED FROM THIS

WHY DO U MAKE ME DO THIS

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>>23597069
Money. It's really as simple as that. Nasu likely already made good money from TM before FGO, but with it becoming a multi-billion dollar franchise while he's nearing retirement age means he's probably just saving up money to buy an island full of whores cosplaying as various TM heroines.

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How much did it cost Nasu to make Tsukihime and F/SN? Are VNs costly to produce? I always wondered this since he made both in his mid 20s and I don't know how much financing he would have at the time.

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>>23597169

I know the answer is money because it's a gacha game and never is ever wrong with wanting to make money but the way they did it like are they even trying? it's like they're spitting on my face.

>saving up money to buy an island full of whores cosplaying as various TM heroines.

This I did not know and be hilarious if it was true.

P.S. I heard he was married? Oh yeah married to FGO.

> I've always wished someone at Typemoon would come forward with some real reason for why the series has seemingly been abandoned because there's enough leeway with the time period involved that it could be any number of different things.

This, I literally cannot understand... it's like.. they feel guilt?

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>>23586245

Glad to have her back.

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>>23598013
Do you like that design though?

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>>23598064
slut

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>>23598070

I'm not in love, but I don't hate it either. I need more context.

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>>23598154
> I need more context
How would any context make it any better it's an extremely over designed mess and she looks like a clown.

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>>23598154
U-Olga is an Ultra Clown if anything
At the very least, hopefully her design would be better when she makes her appearance again in LB7. Let's see if she could make ORT her meal to improve her body or it would get screwed again just like in Olympus.

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>>23598178

For me at least, it can help if there is a logic behind the design choices. Even her looking as such by association is something. The reasons themselves however are also open to critique and may be sorely lacking.

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>>23586323
>CS
It's animusphere symbol, isn't it? It was on her cloak.

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>>23586325
>waah feel bad about psychopath killer who endangers mankind just because she has a vagina

Looks he's right.

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>>23598225
I don't think is ORT she's specifically after, but the lostbelt like Olympus which she got cucked from, and the tree which got super burned down by camelotwank so left her on the clown ascension.

What a failure. Her dad would be disappointed.

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>>23598064

Is this related to the third HF movie?

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>>23598247
So you're looking for this kind of thing
>I was looking over Beast VII, U-Olga's, design and quickly noticed something of a pattern.
>Supposedly, it introduces itself as "The Prime Minister/President of Earth Nation", and when you look at its decks, it's wearing the clothes of all forms of authority figures from ALL eras - the thing on its head is meant to be representative of a God, presumably, while the mantle about its shoulders is that of a monarch. However, if you look at the sash around its body? That's the sash of an elected official.

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>>23598296
I think it's ORT because Kirei specifically listed the Greek mechgods and that Ultimate One together as "things that came from space". But to be more exact, my speculation is that U-Olga is looking after is the info/data/simulation/whatever of ORT inside LB7's Fantasy Tree, given by Kadoc's deduction
>The Alien God will descend upon us in the near future. At least this is what Wodime told me.
>If the Fantasy Tree gets successfully raised it will become the vessel body, what will happen afterwards, then?
>“The Alien God receiving it’s physical body”
>This process might mean that it will use “the Earth’s data” collected through our efforts to create the vessel…
>…not a bad theory, eh?
>If the local organisms are absolutely necessary for the Alien God no matter what,
>recruiting the existences/organisms that can be used as references is——
So the Alien God uses things that existed on Earth as its Apostles, but it specifically needs "alien things that came to Earth" to construct its body?

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>>23598304
It's from Young Ace magazine next month, with Sakura/Rider on the cover and Saber Alter bonus illustration

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>>23598367

Thanks.

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>>23598273
I mean this one. The Animusphere's symbol looks different.

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There is hardly a single TM design I like post-Mahoyo.

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>>23598367
Why are Jap magazines always so cluttered with text and random images?

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>>23598603
They're all either extremely generic JRPG designs designed to net whale bucks, or extremely shitty looking clowns that are also designed to net whale bucks.

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>>23597564
Why did the UBW anime adaption get so much hate? It was incredibly faithful.

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>>23598426
If it's not on her, then I wonder if she's actually a Master.

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>>23597186
>let Nasu live with him when he had nowhere to go
>convinced Nasu to relase tsukihime in PC instead of PC-98
>did most of the art and it was pretty good
>suggested the creation of the best character in tsukihime and the one with the best route
>saved fate from prototype
>made the series popular by convincing Nasu to put porn in
>probably was mostly in charge of maximinzing dosh potential from FGO
>designed the masterpice that is Shiki's design
>literally all his decisions were the right ones
>made his friend rich in exchange of being allowed to draw his first crush over and over again

18 years ago Nasu and Takeuchi were nobodies that had to drag their asses to a Comiket, mount a shitty table and beg people to buy their Tsukihime floppy disks with a tape on it saying "Shingetsudan Tsukihime". Now Takeuchi and Nasu can choose what Ferrari to buy next while other people do their work for them.

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>>23598357
Olga wasn't going to consume the mecha gods but their lostbelt though. She even said so when she appeared. The lostbelt would be enough to compensate the burned out tree. But she left and Olympus disappeared.

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>>23598357
>>23598930
Shit, specifically, I think in replacement of the tree network she lost, the next best thing is consuming this "AU history" influenced by "visitor outside Earth." She was going to target the machine god's lostbelt but not the machine gods themselves, she doesn't give a fuck they're gone.
Kotomine merely brings up OORT because it's an example of what they actually have around (did you forget the earth's bleached and there's fuck nothing other than Britain and south america?), but not because she's gonna target him, but the lostbelt influenced by its presence.

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>>23598917
That scene in Lostroom is her dream, after all. But now with the simulation that Kirsch went through and Kadoc's "we conducted simulations with the understanding that there would be aberrations in seven distinct eras" line, maybe it's not simply a dream.
Also by the way, the soundtrack of that scene is named "hypothetical master"

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>>23597069
>>23597169
Tsukihime and KnK are very much Nasu and Takeuchi pandering to themselves.
Like, Arcueid's character design was created when Nasu and Takeuchi were drooling over a french model magazine and decided to daydream what if the girl in the magazine was a vampire. The maids exist because Takeuchi has a huge maid fetish. So does the porn (ir was written by Takeuchi). All the flashy fights and shiny eyes are due to Nasu's tastes in action (look at Angel Notes or proto-Fate).

Is just that they stopped making things they think KOOOL and started to pander to their Japanese audience after Aniplex and Sony forced Nasu to do

>Iwakami: It started off with Aniplex working with Type-Moon to bring Fate to anime form with Fate/Zero and Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works. And not just the Fate series. In 2007, we did The Garden of Sinners movies. After we were done with Fate/Zero, we were talking with Takeshi Takeuchi of Type-Moon about a new way to develop Fate, and a smartphone game was one of the ideas that we came up with. So Type-Moon started working on Fate/Grand Order as one of the official numbered titles in the Fate series.

>Takeuchi: Many anime studios wanted to make Fate/Zero into an anime, but as far as actually doing that, I couldn't feel very excited about the idea. It was a story that came into being out of the love and respect that Urobuchi-san had for Fate/stay night, and was designed to deepen the enjoyment a reader could get out of Fate. Adapting it into an anime might mean stepping on that love, and I didn't want to make something that didn't capture the feeling of the original novels.

>Nasu: Many anime fans want there to be a lot of cute bishoujo characters in the work, and while they work hard to meet those needs, Iwakami, an important producer at Aniplex, wasn't satisfied just by doing that. I suggested that he tackle Fate/Zero, a dark and serious story full of raw emotion. He had the resolve, and that's how they ended up adapting Fate/Zero.

Context for this: Iwakami turned down to adapt FSN because he didn't want to adapt a bishoujo harem series, so Nasu proposed Zero. You'll notice UBW was changed to follow Zero mood too, with all Saber's waifu scenes modified and portrayed as Shirou's surrogate "mom"

Aniplex plays the biggest role in all Fate anime adaptations (besides Prisma Illya since it's under Kadokawa). Nasu/Type-Moon wanted Saber's route to be the first route getting the ufotable treatment (Nasu &, Takeuchi wanted Fate/UBW/HF, Sudou and Miura wanted HF while Aniplex guy wanted UBW) and maybe Last Encore wouldn't have been just one cour.

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>>23564115
I would kill and die for Shiki

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone have a link for Fate 15th Anniversary artbook?

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>>23600501
Sorry actually meant return to avalon

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>>23600553
>>23600501
Well if you have both it's better

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>>23600501
Return to Avalon is on nyaa
Fate15th book was just released recently and IIRC only visitors that went to the exhibition can order it, so it hasn't been scanned yet and i'm not sure if it will be scanned. An anon posted pictures of it in the last thread.

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>>23598911

Bro, don't get me started, after watching it, I can totally understand why some people can see the flaws.

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>>23598997

There's a reason this one exist lel.

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>>23553732
Thanks bra

[Anonymous No.]

How is the KnK manga? Are the LNs still the best way to enjoy the series or no?

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>>23600950
>manga
I thought there was only extra chorus which is just a couple of short side stories.

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>>23601020
Ah nevermind then, I thought it was adapted into a manga at some point.

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>>23600604
Thanks bro

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>>23600683
>I can totally understand why some people can see the flaws.
>the flaws

Explain?

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>>23600950
>>23601085
There is a KnK manga, I wanted to read it but on dex there's a gap between chapters

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>>23601221
>KnK manga
I dunno. I feel like KnK's worst possible medium would be a manga. The novels are great because of all the introspection the series is built around. The movies (minus the 6th) are great because of the splendid directing and animation. A manga seems like it wouldn't have any particular advantages.

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>>23601221
>>23601247
Why didn't Mahoyo get an anime or manga?

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>>23601431
Maybe it will get one whenever TM finally release the two sequels

[None !!BxJDSpAJCGo No.]

>>23598603
Arjuna is kind of cool.

>>23601221
>I wanted to read it but on dex there's a gap between chapters
That gap was my fault. JS Scans translated up to 22 or something and I only will do Oblivion Recorder because I like Azaka. It's nearly a carbon-copy of the novel, so it's pretty faithful.

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I'm trying to run Tsukihime with wine, since onscripter gives an error and won't launch it. It runs, but with no sound. Have more people encountered this?

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>>23602348
You should use onscripter. I read tsukihime on my GNU/linux install with it and it worked well. onscripter-en is probably what you want. What error does it give?

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>>23583059
I'm surprised that Rewrite did well. I thought it flopped.

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>>23602383
This is the error:
*** Parse error at define:171 [text cannot be displayed in define section.] ***

What's interesting is that onscripter runs fine on the non-translated copy, which is weird, because the translation patching went on without issues.

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>>23602409
Pretty sure Rewrite is one of Key's best selling VNs ever.

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>>23602417
>onscripter runs fine on the non-translated copy, which is weird, because the translation patching went on without issues
Oh my bad, I take back what I said earlier. There is a difference between the unpatched and patched versions so you probably want to do this in wine then. Check your audio settings in winecfg and make sure the test sound works.

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>>23586076
>if you keep sticking with us, you would see at the end that we’re the same old TYPE-MOON
It's been five years and the ms is still vacuum. Fuck you too, Nasu.

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>>23598997
A lot of people fail to understand that Type Moon is not a doujin circle anymore. De facto it is owned by Sony now.

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>>23602626
Anime was a mistake.

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>>23570337
>speech-to-text
Try youtube.
Also a chinese translation helped me a bit.

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I just finished F/SN for the first time and genuinely enjoyed it. I can see why the VN deters some people because the Fate route can be a bit of a slog to get through given how Shirou acts in that route, but it shouldn't be skipped at all given that route is all about Saber and her background. If I had one critic it would be how long winded Nasu can be at times and how he'll repeat the same information a lot.

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>>23603778
What route was your favorite though? Remember, there is only one correct answer.

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>>23603809
I genuinely can't decide right now. I only finished HF's true end epilogue 15 minutes ago and I need it to simmer a little longer. But for me at least it's between UBW and HF. I really enjoyed HFs mystery and how it turned a lot of what UBW and Fate built up on its head. After going through the first two routes I honestly disliked HF Shirou at the start considering he was willing to sacrifice so many lives for one person and I really can't say for certain what he did was the right thing. I don't know, my thoughts are a bit of a mess right now so I don't have a definite answer. I'm glad I finished it this time and will be sure to read F/HA and Tsukihime this summer right after Umineko.

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>>23603778
nice one anon, glad you enjoyed it

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>>23601431
Nasu said he doesn't want to think about an adaption before all 3 games are out.

he then proceeds to never release all 3 games

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>>23603857
I warrn you HA is extremey boring outside of a dfew scenes

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>>23613381
Wrong.

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>>23613391
yes it is
slice of life is fine 5 minutes but when it's 80% of your VN it's time to stop

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>>23613500
>I don't know what a fandisc is

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>>23613500
This is the consequence of the West labeling any text box + character sprite game "visual novel."

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>>23614029
Those almost always are visual novels though. The west doesn't understand the different genres in it though.

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>>23614048
Visual novel doesn't have genres, it has sub-genres. Visual novels are a genre of AVGs. The consequence comes from the fact that people don't understand what a fucking fandisc is because everything is "visual novel."

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>>23614082
>Visual novels are a genre of AVGs
No they aren't. AVGs are separate. There are cases where the line is blurred (e.g. the baldr series), but AVGs have significant gameplay elements. Usually when western people say "visual novels", they are correctly referring to an actual visual novel. Although, I guess many people mistakenly consider something like Rance a VN when its obviously not.

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>>23614122
>but AVGs have significant gameplay elements.
This is incorrect, and influenced by the Western AVG definition. The first Japanese AVGs would be labeled visual novels by the western fandom today. The Portopia Serial Murder Case did not have "significant gameplay elements." In fact, its "gameplay" was largely selecting a tool and hitting a part of the background to reveal a clue or something similar, and this was rarely ever used. The game was first-person and the main focus was the interaction between You and the characters, with choices and different endings being the main focus.
AVGs then spawned sound novels as a subgenre, removing the gameplay but keeping the choices, text, and audio as the main focus. Background and sprites were simple and not the focus.
The term "visual novel" spawned to make a distinction from sound novels, in which the sprite work and background were the main focus. Leaf coined the choices/routes stuff to VNs.

> There are cases where the line is blurred (e.g. the baldr series),
Baldr is not labeled as a visual novel in Japan. It is labeled as an action-adventure game. Don't talk about things you have no clue about.

[None !!BxJDSpAJCGo No.]

>>23602711
Forgot about youtube.
>chinese translation
I vaguely recall something like that, was it in baidu?

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>>23614202
I'm incorrect about the labeling of baldr sky.

>The Portopia Serial Murder Case did not have "significant gameplay elements."
Judging from the wiki descriptions of this, it does. I doubt most people would consider this a VN.

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>>23614283
>I'm incorrect about the labeling of baldr sky.
Source me. From what I know its labeled as an action-adventure game with strategy RPG elements.
>Judging from the wiki descriptions of this, it does.
Please watch gameplay.

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>>23614313
>Source me. From what I know its labeled as an action-adventure game with strategy RPG elements.
I said you were right.
>Please watch gameplay.
I'm pretty sure I played a bunch of flash games like this as a kid. You had to click around a bunch in the background for clues to advance the story, correct? That's gameplay.

But, japanese wikipedia says you are right and I am wrong so you win.

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Do we know anything about that new series related to Case Files? Is that even a thing or I remembered something wrong?

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>>23614780
If you're referring to Lord El-Melloi Adventures, its a sequel to the original novel. There hasn't been any announcement for anime-related content.

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>>23615142
>its a sequel to the original novel

Thank God. I was afraid we will only have more grail wars.

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I really wish we got a real Illya spin-off. Prisma was fun for two series but after that I completely stopped caring. It would be way better if it was about her living a magi life instead of magical girl stuff.

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>>23615411
She didn't do anything as a magi you know. She stayed couped up in the mansion waiting for the HGW.
Unless they make a new canon where she did stuff, but then I don't see how that would be any different tonally to Prillya.

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>>23615502
Just set it after GW. Or in timeline where GW never happened and she ends up in CT.

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>>23615411
The 3rei manga is great though. Also Einzbern magic is boring.

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>>23615579
It's fucking terrible and pretty much killed the series. Barely anyone care anymore.

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>>23615714
It's easily the best part with the strongest writing.

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>>23615812
No it's generic shonen crap and nothing like previous parts of the series. Prillya popularity nosedived after Shirou Namek. It's probably never going to recover especially after that fucking last OVA.

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>>23615962
>generic shonen crap
Confirmed for retard. Whether or not the pions like it doesn't matter to me.

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>>23615983
You want generic Fate in a magical girl spin-off that was never supposed to be like this. 2ch was seething about latest OVA for weeks. Drei killed Prisma.

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>>23616104
>2ch was seething about latest OVA for weeks.
I guess they're just retards that didn't read the manga. The flashback thing has been over for ages now. The last movie was always supposed to cover the flashback. There was no secret about it and there shouldn't have been anything to "seeth" about.

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Fate was a mistake.

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>>23616193
Hard to read it when we get like 10 pages every two months. And nobody gives a crap about Julian and his story. Just end his fucking arc already Jesus Christ.

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>>23616283
>manga is slow to update
This wouldn't be the first time. I do wish it was back on a more regular schedule though yes.

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>>23616104
The OVA was original, not from the author. Before that, they split 2wei into 2 seasons because they wanted to fit original content, most of it being boring SOL uncomparable with the original. 3rei was animated and directed like ass. Go read the fucking manga and stop seething about garbage from SILVER LINK. Stop being a secondary for a magical girl spin-off. It's the stupidest choice anyone could make.

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>>23617170
I read the manga you idiot. It's still fucking trash. I don't care about Julian or Darius. I don't fucking care about Shitrou at all. 3rei should be straight to Pandora without two fucking years of boring shit, flashbacks about some random dude and Shirou pandering nobody who likes Illya wanted.

And yes 3rei anime was ass but that's because SL stopped caring and I don't blame them at all.

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I see. When speculating on the nature of the Fate/ setting, I think I’d like to consider the bigger whole that is the TYPE-MOON multiverse. For example, when talking about a being that will lead the humanity to destruction, it’s easy to think of Primate Murder, so does this mean that it’s possible that we’ll see the 27 Dead Apostle Ancestors come into the story?
>Nasu: Ahh… [laughs] The only thing I can say right now is “it’ll happen when it happens”. Originally, TYPE-MOON fantasy is supposed to be “the story of a person or a city,” and doesn’t involve large-scale stories. I would even say I was trying to avoid “epics,” since I was writing based on fantasy tales from the 80s and 90s. That being said, FGO is no longer the story of an individual, but a story that can easily reach the scale of the entire world. So it wouldn’t be strange at all to bring out Primate Murder. Throughout all the settings, there are a lot of things where I’d think, “I can’t bring this into the story. That would be like bringing in Godzilla!” but if it’s FGO, it’s not out of the question. So if the time is right, even the 27 Dead Apostle Ancestors might show up.

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>>23614780
I wanna see a Case Files book that's the "Fifth War Aftermath" and it's just a relatively small self-contained event but it just keeps recurring by being shaped by the variety of F/SN Endings, like one chapter it'll just be Rin, then Rin and Shirou, then Rin and Shirou and Saber, then Shirou after becoming Kiritsigu 2.0.

Like you wouldn't do every ending because a lot of the bad ones kind of bleed together (Medea/Illya almost wins but then gets BTFO by Gil) but I like seeing ripple effect stuff like that.

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>>23617208
This, I feel nothing for shitty one note characters except the desire to have the manga axed

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>>23614267
Depends on what you're looking for. Not even chinks have everything translated, I think.

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>>23617170
Hiroyama wrote the ova.

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http://typemoon.com/news/2020/2yVcnA

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>>23619095
Jesus Christ no. No more grail wars. No more fucking Fuyuki. Enough.

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Alice is so fucking ugly it's unreal

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>>23624656
Kill yourself right now.

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>>23620925
Source me, the OVA credits don't mention him in any writing role, but as the original creator.

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What's the difference between Ranks A and B of Independent Manifestation?

[Anonymous No.]

So why exactly is Illya destined to die? Fate magi can switch bodies. Prelati was killed many times. What exactly is stopping Illya soul transfer?

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>>23626341
>>>/vg/

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>>23626271
I was wrong.
The home page says he supervised the OVA
http://anime.prisma-illya.jp/movie/prismaphantasm/#staff
>原作ひろやまひろし監修による完全新作オリジナルエピソード。
He was involved but I can't say how much exactly. Maybe it's explained in some interview.

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>>23626558
Yeah supervision can be an extremely vague role. Urobuchi is credited as Planning and Supervisor for Psycho-Pass 2 but in reality he barely had a hand in it and was instead working on the movie.
I'd be inclined to say he did have some hand, but the script, definitely not. The skits felt completely different from what I was used to with Prillya.

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I haven't touched this franchise since Götterdämmerung, has it gotten good yet?

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>>23627558
>Wagner
Shame.

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>>23626492
Yeah I'm not really clear on what the deal is. Like to start with, I'm pretty sure Iris birthed her like humans do, so it's not like she's deliberately designed to have a short lifespan.

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>>23626341
Rank B
>Also, because this Skill exemplifies the way of being of “already existing anywhere even in the spacetime continuum”, it will not only cancel time paradox attacks that utilizes time travel, but it will also cancel all instant death attacks.

Rank A
>Furthermore, due to the existence fixation it also possesses the effect of resistance towards attack by means of instant death and time manipulation.
>Those with the skill does not receive influence from the incineration of Human Order by means of singularities, or from the compilation of Human Order by means of *****, manifesting as long the requirement is fulfilled.

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>>23626492
>switch bodies
wouldn't that degrade your soul?

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>>23629275
I mean, Zolgen could get away with it for like three hundred years before it caught up with him, so I don't really see how even one hundred more years would be a problem.

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>>23626492
Knowing this is so common, why nobody thinks Marisbilly did the same shit?

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>>23626492
>>23629634
Because you need to stop trying to apply lore from 2015 onwards to a game from 2004. Keep that shit where it belongs please.

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>>23629824
We've known the switching bodies thing since KnK though

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>>23629634
Given by Marisbilly's young appearance despite his age, it's likely that he used some kind magecraft to slow down his aging. But then he's supposed to be dead but also hinted to be the mastermind behind all the Lostbelt shit so yeah maybe he changed his body as well.
>Magecraft did indeed offer methods that slowed ageing or temporarily restored youth.
>However, through these methods, one could only on average extend life to the orders of centuries. Even magi could not escape death.

>I wasn't old enough to be truly concerned about it, but the day when I would have to start looking for magecraft to stave off the signs of ageing came was only a matter of time. The skills of those like Maio who we had met earlier, were often in great demand as long as they could put out results, so anti-aging had become a rather significant source of income for the Faculty of Botany (Yumina).

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>>23630029
Not in this sense. As mentioned by the comment directly above me, the Magecraft mentioned back then and now are not the same. If extending youth was a thing in FSN, that would fix Illyasviel forever. But it was not.
Shirou was able to put his soul into a puppet body because what broke down was his body, not his soul.
Touko is able to put her body into a puppet for somewhat the same reasons, she gave up her body and put her soul into a puppet.
Illya cannot do this. In the first place, she doesn't have a soul. Her personality was "programmed" artificially into her as a homunculus, just like the rest of her bodily functions. A man-made human cannot have a soul. That's the whole point of homunculi existing, and why Magi treat them like shit. They are, in every sense, an object. And because they don't have any soul, they usually don't live very long or are deformed in some way. A human cannot artificially make another human. Or else there would no point in natural recreation, as we would just artificially craft the best humans for the best jobs. That's why the lore is logical and makes sense. This is also why I sperg rant when someone tries to apply things established forwards to something backwards. It doesn't work.

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>>23630655
Just curious. Where did the green text part come from?

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>>23631048
Clock Tower 2015 and Case Files vol 2

[None !!BxJDSpAJCGo No.]

>>23620878
I only know of this: https://tieba.baidu.com/p/2596642706
It's not like it's the most interesting entry of T-M, but it's nice to take breath with something slightly different.

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Remind me, is Altrouge said to have black hair in official material or fanartists just like to draw her with black hair because of the chuuni title "Eclipse Princess of Black Blood"?

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>>23632040
I don't recall any metion about the color, but yes the length, she stole Arcueid long hair. But is she is presented as somewhat of a reverse to Arcueid I can picture her with black hair.
Sad that we'll probably never see her.

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>>23630901
If there is no soul how does she turn into first Einzbern homunculus? Even if it's just memory transfer that's the same thing really.

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>>23629824
By that logic we could easily have Illya CT adventures spin off.

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>>23632040
>>23632582
https://demonition.com/blog-entry-20889.html
Speaking of Altrouge's design, people speculating the girl in Takeuchi's special illust for "History of Japanese Maid Culture" book in 2017 might actually be Altrouge. According to the author of the book, this girl is an original character by Takeuchi (jp wiki even says this is an unpublished character but i couldn't find a source for that) based on vampire setting. Dark colored hair, red eyes and hair vents (Arc has it too), wouldn't be surprised if Altrouge would look similar to this but with longer hair.
On the other hand, Nasu says in an interview that Fou's design is "Primate Murder turns cute" so maybe TM had already finished the design of the 27 DAAs before FGO got released.

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>>23633856
oh I've seen that picture before but I tought it was fan art, I didn't know that it was a Takekuchi's piece. Makes sense that people thing of her as a posibility for Altrouge.
Shit this is making me thing in all the posibilities and ways Tsukihime could've gone, there are a lot of interesting shit they've have done with the world and characters.

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>>23631804
Weird, I think it's missing some tracks.
Here's everything(make an account to see)
https://bbs.sumisora.net/read.php?tid=11052359

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stay home, anons

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>>23634415
>sumisora
Sad to see them fall into irrelevance. Thanks, anon.

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Name a sadder moment int type moon than fighting rin/rani with this playing in the background
https://youtu.be/Z5irjoHv99o

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>>23637406
>name a sadder moment int type moon
maybe playing Fate/EXTRA, good god what a shitty game

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>>23637406
>playing extrashit
Do you have brain damage?

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>>23637406
Maybe if EXTRA wasn't a game people would have liked it more.

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>>23637446
Fortunately they were self-aware enough to released the storybooks so no-one ever has to suffer through the gameplay again.

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>>23637446
>>23637823
Honestly how good/bad is extra's story? I never bothered because there's plenty of better things to do.

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>>23633192
Because she is based off of the first Einzbern homunculus just like Iris. There is probably some part of her in Illya.
Still, I don't know exactly what you're referring to. If its the HF ending, then that was the dress, not a transformation into the first.

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>>23638111
First homunculus memories are in Illya she accessed them few times. Her personality also surfaced few times in HF.

So even if you can't transfer homunculus soul you can transfer memories.

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>>23638938
You can't transfer a homunculus soul because it doesn't exist. Transferring memories may be possible, but we don't know what the result of that would be. Again, the homunculus body is programmed to have her bodily functions and her personality. A puppet would not have these features, so I doubt it would even work properly. The memories may be stored within the puppet, but I suspect there will be no actual life.
>Her personality also surfaced few times in HF.
That's just the result of the homunculus being built as the grail's vessel. Think of it as Origin Shiki but Illya's version. It's the body speaking.

[Anonymous No.]

What do you think of reines?

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>>23639370
She makes my crotch feel really funny. Also, she's great in case files.

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>>23639370
Love her so much. El-Melloi 2 needs much more of her.

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>>23639370

I like her snarkiness a lot and her appearance grew on me.

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>>23633856
Also from a Tsukihime roundtable chat in 2001, Takeuchi mentioned that Altrouge might be a Akihaface
>武内 |> 秋葉とまったく同じ顔とかドウよ？と奈須に提案した記憶があります（笑）＞アルトルージュ（アルトルージュと言うのは、死徒側の吸血姫です） (2/17(土)1:38)

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>>23639370
I masturbate to her.

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>>23639370
That maid doujin of her dying in the womb is the worst thing to happen this year.
Otherwise, really fun. Smart, snarky, and smug; a well-worn archetype, but she's fills it very well.

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GOD I WANT TO NOM CIEL FLUFFY BUTT AND HAVE HER KICK ME

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>>23645602
>Doujin of her dying in the womb
Link?