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Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:14:05 2009 No.2345887 [Reply] [Original]

Righty ho.

I do quite believe that these interspersed conflicts within the Touhou posters of /jp/ is simply bollocks. From an old chap who simply chooses to focus on the games, I feel no sense of elitism towards those that would rather focus on ZUN's other material and fan doujinshi, given that they do acknowledge and respect the games. While I feel that powerlevel discussions are frightfully idiotic when it gets out of hand, when reasonable people are simply passing ideas to each other, I find the topics rather refreshing, even though I myself do not choose to delve that deep into the Touhouverse. However, when I do make my rare venture into an opinion of a character, I do try to make sure that I take a voice that shows that I'm open to more interpretations, so as to prevent conflict between others that would believe that I'm presenting my idea as a pure fact. Likewise, while the spirit of H-doujinshi bearing familiar characters is somewhat unappealing to me, I hold my tongue and simply ignore them, which is a skill, I feel, should be pursued more in /jp/. Despite my opinion, I make to attempt to derail such a topic, as that would only serve to anger and disservice the other viewers of /jp/. What I simply do is make my own topic that truly appeals to me.

That is all I have to say on the matter.

Pip pip, cheerio.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:15:05 2009 No.2345890 File: 245 KB, 900x1200, 1233555475100.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Fascinating.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:16:05 2009 No.2345895 I... disagree!

>>	BOOF !AWEsomEEEE!!g4pQz5RFuPl Tue Mar 31 23:18:05 2009 No.2345898 File: 74 KB, 640x480, 20030203-cheerios-wp-640x480.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] cheerios are the shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:19:05 2009 No.2345901 Pip pip, cheerio?!?! WHat kind of faggotry is this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:19:05 2009 No.2345902 >>2345898 Word, son.

>>	miles !LLLLLLLLL.!!yEv/ZBcowB8 Tue Mar 31 23:20:05 2009 No.2345907 At least there is discussion going on in power level threads. Unlike image dumps or Japanese Bird Cooking Spaghetti.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:21:05 2009 No.2345912 tl;dr: Touhou is overrated.

Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:21:05 2009 No.2345913
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Your view is void you harlot. The common sense of animosity between the various factions on /jp/ is what constitutes the uniqueness that we so enjoy on this board. If we pacify ourselves and relinquish our ill begotten hate, we would have destroyed /jp/.

Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:22:05 2009 No.2345916

I agree completely with your position. However, it is not easy to hold it so, specially in the face of secondary fans that willingly neglect the source material, making their assumptions hold together with nothing but good will and wishes, forming together a complex web that we can't really understand how it formed. Case in hand, Alice's depiction is some secondary works, which is far too divergent from the source material, even when her background in plentiful and well described.

Perhaps it is better to held an open mind. As the fictional universe we explore together is always shifting and changing, we must be able to adapt to new information, but most importantly, to be able to take it in stride and enjoy ourselves. Amusement remains the biggest draw, so if the character's portrayal fits well enough to be entertained, then so be it.

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Tue Mar 31 23:23:05 2009 No.2345917 >>2345913 /jp/ is about taking it easy. Animosity amongst the factions is a childish thing more suited for /v/ or /b/. Out upon you, impostor.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:24:05 2009 No.2345924 >>2345913 Quite, I do quite see where your opinion comes from. However, we must not cast away the idea that it is impossible to have conflicting ideas, while still being civil! You can not be a gentleman that way!

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:25:05 2009 No.2345928 Is it just me, or is anyone else reading this thread in their heads with a British accent?

>>	BOOF !AWEsomEEEE!!g4pQz5RFuPl Tue Mar 31 23:25:05 2009 No.2345929 File: 1.03 MB, 2592x1944, Picture 030.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2345907 what happened miles... you used to be cool get the sand out of your vagina also, American bird cooking vegetarian beans

Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:26:05 2009 No.2345933

>Case in hand, Alice's depiction is some secondary works, which is far too divergent from the source material, even when her background in plentiful and well described.
To be fair, the A-A-ARISU is simply an exaggeration of an official depiction, namely, the one in Bohemian Archive. Her personality seems to vary a bit depending on which source material you hold onto the most as well. I myself don't enjoy the "A-a-a-alice" depiction at all, but I don't quite care about how others see Alice, so it's not much of a problem.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:27:05 2009 No.2345937 I fornicated thou art mother.

Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:27:05 2009 No.2345934

I agree, but as someone who is primary interested in the games and the game mechanics, I find it alienating that every major touhou related board has about 20 or more threads of "which touhou would you fuck" "what do reimu's armpits taste like" "take it easy yukkuri thread" for every thread actually regarding material that interests me or at least concerns the games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:28:05 2009 No.2345941 >>2345916 >secondary fans And primary fans are what? Zun's cock suckers?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:28:05 2009 No.2345942 >>2345937 I am thoroughly amused. Good show!

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:28:05 2009 No.2345943 >>2345917 Yes, this means a lot coming from a tripfag who does nothing but troll and act like they're important/intelligent.

Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:29:05 2009 No.2345953

>>2345934
>I find it alienating that every major touhou related board has about 20 or more threads of "which touhou would you fuck" "what do reimu's armpits taste like" "take it easy yukkuri thread" for every thread actually regarding material that interests me or at least concerns the games.
That's not entirely the fault of those people you hate. You should take action and try to make the topic yourself, and do all you can to keep it from being hijacked by things you dislike. If it means you have to reply to yourself for the whole topic to even spark the sort of discussion you're looking for, it will simply mean that the end result will feel much more satisfying, especially if you gather like-minded people.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:33:05 2009 No.2345979 >>2345934 You're just an asexual wannabe hipster.

Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:34:05 2009 No.2345988

>>2345953
>If it means you have to reply to yourself for the whole topic to even spark the sort of discussion you're looking for, it will simply mean that the end result will feel much more satisfying, especially if you gather like-minded people.
If you have to reply to yourself at all to start a thread on the actual game, while retarded fanon shit gets 200+ replies, then yes, it is /jp/'s fault for being shitty.

Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:35:05 2009 No.2345993

>>2345953
Agreed. I for one, find that the "Let's Danmaku" threads are a good thread for those focused on the games, awarding good scoring tactics and spreading the idea of the game series as a fun activity, and not just a daunting task.
Which, takes me to this point. Have you noticed the marked increase of posters interested in the games? It's not odd to find a thread discussing strategies and different gameplay elements. Granted, most of the time it is focused on helping those newcomers to the games proper, but it's a promising sight.

Further more, I really enjoy composing my posts this way. Makes me feel above the breakneck pace of the lesser boards, where a post over a couple lines is ignored and rendered useless in the time it took to write.

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Tue Mar 31 23:35:05 2009 No.2345998 >>2345943 Especially since I can be held accountable for my foibles, unlike some anonymous characters who hide behind others and pass off blame when they fuck up., i.e. IT WASN'T ME, IT WAS HIM!

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:36:05 2009 No.2346001 >>2345988 It's actually easier to spark discussion on the games instead of having a reasonable fanon discussion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:37:05 2009 No.2346010 >>2345887 We just look down on secondaryfags and kawaii desu ne faggots. Touhou will always be #1 Games #2 Music #3 Doujin Products #4 Rest of the shit

Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:37:05 2009 No.2346009

>>2345988
That's exactly the wrong attitude to take. This is a gathering of like-minded people. If you have others interested in your hobbies, they will post in your threads. Complaining that you're in the minority never helps.
Be grateful for what you have and work with it. Convince more people to play the game. Do anything, just don't whine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:38:05 2009 No.2346016 >>2346010 I can't stand the term "secondaryfag". It's so undefined, I see it thrown at any mention of anything fanon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:39:05 2009 No.2346018 >>2346001 Fanon is for self-important Westerners who think their opinion matters to the likes of ZUN. Actually, any Westerner who thinks the creator owes them anything is a dumbass, like that Russet Noon lamer.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:39:05 2009 No.2346023 >>2346016 SO BUTTHURT BAAAAAAAAW I CAN HEAR YOUR TEARS AND IT'S SOOOOOO DELISH~

Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:39:39 2009 No.2346024 [DELETED]

>>2345993
>
Further more, I really enjoy composing my posts this way. Makes me feel above the breakneck pace of the lesser boards, where a post over a couple lines is ignored and rendered useless in the time it took to write.
I've said it time and again, that's the primary reason I visit /tg/. People there actually take time out to make meaningful posts. And they're not all of the "Cool story, bro"-variety either.

Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:40:05 2009 No.2346026

>>2345993
I agree on this one, albeit the 'Let's play some danmaku' threads often exclude various scoring tactics by doing just single stage practice runs. But they're still fun, and we get to play some non touhou games as well.
I still think the number of threads about the games has declined compared to some months ago.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:41:05 2009 No.2346030 >>2346016 see >>2345941

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:41:05 2009 No.2346032 >>2346010 Accurate.

Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:41:05 2009 No.2346033

>>2345993
>Further more, I really enjoy composing my posts this way. Makes me feel above the breakneck pace of the lesser boards, where a post over a couple lines is ignored and rendered useless in the time it took to write.
I've said it time and again, that's the primary reason I visit /tg/. People there actually take time out to make meaningful posts. And they're not all of the "Cool story, bro"-variety either.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:42:05 2009 No.2346039 >>2346018 >Fanon is for self-important Westerners who think their opinion matters to the likes of ZUN. What. I just want to talk about Touhou ideas in a more subdued light instead of the rapid-fire memes and jokes that typically occur.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:42:05 2009 No.2346041 >>2346033 That's why /tg/ is the worst board on 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:43:05 2009 No.2346046 >>2346041 That's like, your opinion, man. Seriously though, the worst board? What.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:44:05 2009 No.2346054 >>2346001 Not really, most gameplay threads turn into an STGfag circlejerk. They're like goddamn tourneyfags.

Rome !!EPVwTIz4j/f Tue Mar 31 23:44:05 2009 No.2346056

>>2345887
I say, that was a bloody good post lad.

Ignoring what thou dislikes instead of promoting hate with harmful atitudes and hostile replies or derailing the threads with intentionally weak and aggressive opinions is a positive attitude that I wish would be more common.

That said, I believe that thou are and feel so strongly like an English citizen that thou feces are, opposed to look or smell like, the very honored and respected queen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:44:05 2009 No.2346055 >>2346016 Definition of secondaryfags -Don't play the games -Think that Iosys is god -Think that doujin fanon is the truth -huge overlap with nicofags Anymore to add?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:45:05 2009 No.2346061 >>2346046 What. Are you blind?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:46:05 2009 No.2346072 >>2346055 >Don't play the games To what extent? >Think that Iosys is god I enjoyed IOSYS's older stuff. >Think that doujin fanon is the truth Agree. >huge overlap with nicofags Oh.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:46:05 2009 No.2346073 >>2346055 >nicofags Secondary fags can't use nico.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:48:05 2009 No.2346084 >>2346054 how so?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:49:05 2009 No.2346087 >>2346010 Well I could care less about the games, I haven't even played a single one, I only enjoy the music.

miles !LLLLLLLLL.!!yEv/ZBcowB8 Tue Mar 31 23:50:05 2009 No.2346091

/jp/ will never be able to agree what a good thread is.
To some Danmkau threads are good, while others think it shit.
Some people like the idol threads, others want them banned.
I could go on, but I think you get my point.
If we just stay to our own threads (/jp/ related that is) then /jp/ just may become a better place.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:50:05 2009 No.2346094 >>2346084 It just ends up with bitching about which game is better and makes them more hardcore, etc. It's faggotry.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:51:05 2009 No.2346105 >>2346073 Ok we change it to youtubefags. But you are wrong if you think japan doesn't have secondaryfags.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:51:05 2009 No.2346101 >>2346087 couldn't care less you mean.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:51:05 2009 No.2346099 >>2346055 Definition of primaryfags -Sucks zun's cock. -Think that touhou is the best shmup -Talk about plot rather than gameplay. Anymore to add?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:52:05 2009 No.2346106 >>2346099 Primary implies being the first. Thus, primaryfriends are superior according to definition.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:52:05 2009 No.2346116 >>2346106 I don't think so.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:52:05 2009 No.2346107 >>2346054 Go back to /v/, pitiful scum.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:52:05 2009 No.2346111 >>2346099 Definition of previous poster -Massive case of butthurt -Weak trollan -Is a secondaryfag Anymore to add?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:52:15 2009 No.2346112 >>2346101 Oh boy. Here we go.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:53:05 2009 No.2346119 >>2346107 No, you go back to /v/ faggot.

>>	Dolor !Du1A6pui8g Tue Mar 31 23:54:05 2009 No.2346125 >>2346073 And why not? Doesn't sankaku allow people to view videos without an account?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:54:05 2009 No.2346126 >>2346116 You don't think at all. zing!

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:55:05 2009 No.2346129 >>2346099 >primaryfags >-Talk about plot rather than gameplay. ಠ_ಠ Also, most of the good Touhou players know that there are better shooters.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:55:05 2009 No.2346132 >>2346125 >sankaku

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:56:05 2009 No.2346146 >>2346129 >"primary" fags fix'd

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:57:05 2009 No.2346147 >>2346119 I do believe that once you use the term "tourneyfag", you lose all right to say that. But I'm sure you already knew that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:57:05 2009 No.2346148 >>2346111 Cry more.

Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:58:05 2009 No.2346150

What's with all this bullshit classification, really.
Some of us enjoy playing the games, others enjoy reading the doujins. As long as we don't shit up each others' threads, what's the fucking problem?
If you find some jackass saying the games suck balls, feel free to insult him. There's no reason to get hostile just because someone isn't interested in shmups.

Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:59:05 2009 No.2346154

Well, this thread has taken a rather sinister turn.
So it goes. The core message from the original poster remains, to show tolerance to those areas we are not interested about, we foment a good environment for proper discussion, improvement of the board, and our own sustained enjoyment.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 31 23:59:05 2009 No.2346156 >>2346147 I've never posted on /v/, bro. They didn't invent the term either, so like I suggested earlier maybe you should be the one hauling your ass back there.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 1 00:00:05 2009 No.2346159 >>2346148 Aww, butthurt secondaryfag's trying to act touh. How cute.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 1 00:00:05 2009 No.2346162 >>2346154 You really like referencing Slaughterhouse Five, don't you? Second time this week I've seen that phrase used.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 1 00:01:05 2009 No.2346166 >>2346159 Delicious tears.

Anonymous Wed Apr 1 00:02:05 2009 No.2346170

>>2346101
its possible to care less in my situation

saying "I couldn't care less" actually means that I don't care about the games at all, which isn't true, I'll get around to play it, or never, don't know, depending on if I find the time to place an order or just pirate it

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 1 00:04:05 2009 No.2346177 >>2346170 It's a colloquialism.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 1 00:04:05 2009 No.2346182 >>2346170 Contextually, it's implied that you don't care about the games at all.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 1 00:04:05 2009 No.2346183 >>2346156 Is it really that fun to act like a dumbass on an anonymous image board, completely missing the point of every single post, whether intentionally or out of stupidity?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 1 00:07:05 2009 No.2346195 >>2346183 Your point was that I used the term tourneyfag thus I go to /v/ and should go there. If that's not it, enlighten me. You're an idiot either way.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 1 00:07:05 2009 No.2346196 >>2346162 You're right, I do mention that quite often. Things and people don't go as you would like them to go, so instead of fretting over it, you can accept it as it comes. It's more peaceful this way.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 1 00:10:05 2009 No.2346204 >>2346196 In some ways, a depressing philosophy. The diametric opposite of Take It Easy, though it amounts to the same thing.

Anonymous Wed Apr 1 00:14:05 2009 No.2346223

>>2346195
You implied that:
1) People who play competitively are fags. (So, basically every good Japanese arcade player)
2) People who discuss shooters in a shooter thread are also fags.

Looking at the evidence presented, you've been found to be a gigantic faggot. And when a gigantic faggot tries to discuss video games, they are told to go back to /v/ where, you guessed it, gigantic faggots discuss video games.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 1 00:19:05 2009 No.2346243 >>2346223 /v/ sometimes has better touhou threads than /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 1 00:19:05 2009 No.2346251 >>2346243 Also, not samefag.

Anonymous Wed Apr 1 00:23:05 2009 No.2346269

I only mind secondaryfags when people are trying to discuss the games and they make stupid troll remarks like "Touhou is only good for the fanworks" or "the games aren't worth playing" or "no one here actually plays the games." Other than that I don't care if someone plays the games or not, although I will never be able to comprehend liking only the derivative material of a series and not the original works. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 1 00:24:05 2009 No.2346274 >>2346223 1) If they're shitting up threads, then yes, they are faggots. 2) See 1. You sir, are a quite the faggot yourself. Talk about missing the point.

Anonymous Wed Apr 1 00:26:05 2009 No.2346277

>>2346204
It's not so depressing when you realize you still can control yourself. I can choose to ignore a thread that would have me banging at the keys.
I can choose to find a pleasant thread to discuss instead.
I can choose to take a break, eat something, get some sunlight.
But most of all, I can change my perception of the board. Instead of turning any discussion into a competition, I can learn instead from other points of view.

That's how I take it easy, internet zen. It's pretty enjoyable, really.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 1 00:27:05 2009 No.2346282 >>2346277 You're a better man than I.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 1 00:31:05 2009 No.2346299 >>2346243 I don't believe it. I'm sure there are enough trolling faggots there who are probably the same ones who troll/create the wrpg vs jrpg threads.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 1 00:33:05 2009 No.2346317 >>2346269 >secondaryfags Here is the problem. Stop using that word. You aren't superior to nothing. Some people like touhou and just that,but, faggots like you are the cancer killing it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 1 00:38:05 2009 No.2346327 >>2346277 I agree that perception is important. If you take it easy and simply laugh at the trolls and idiots /jp/ is a much more enjoyable board.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 1 00:38:05 2009 No.2346330 >>2346317 butthurt secondary fag

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 1 00:40:05 2009 No.2346339 >>2346327 I can't do it. I always feel defeated when my topics amount to nothing, while topics I'm not interested in racks up posts in the hundreds.

Anonymous Wed Apr 1 00:46:05 2009 No.2346368

>>2346317
I actually realized shortly after making that post that I should have said "secondary fans" but after reading secondaryfag so many times in this thread it just happened to be the word at the front of my mind and the one I typed. It wasn't meant to be offensive (the term *fag usually isn't these days) so you need to just chill out. I never even implied that I was superior to anyone.

Anonymous Wed Apr 1 01:00:05 2009 No.2346438

>>2346299
ok so, I gonna talk about a person that I met on /v/.

I was talking about Reimu and Marisa being the strongest characters in Gensokyo because the player is always the strongest blah blah blah...

And so that person came and started talking shit about Yukari, Kanako not being omnipotent... shit that "primary" fags like to hear.

So a person replied:You can write a book about Touhou.

And other:Do you visit /jp/?
Then the person that was talking with me replied:
No, I don't like /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 1 01:11:05 2009 No.2346497 >>2346438 That doesn't even make sense.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 1 01:13:05 2009 No.2346511 >>2346497 Because?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 1 01:13:05 2009 No.2346514 I am a quintaryfag

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 1 01:15:05 2009 No.2346524 >>2346514 Quaddary fan was here, Quintary fans suck.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 1 01:15:05 2009 No.2346525 >>2346511 It just doesn't make sense. He's explaining it poorly, and doesn't explain how that topic is better than ones in /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 1 01:19:05 2009 No.2346552 >>2346525 Fuck, he write a fucking page, I can't remember shit now. Also, I said sometimes /v/ is better than /jp/

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 1 01:26:05 2009 No.2346585 >>2346552 for touhou.

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