DJT 毎日日本語スレ 第2381話

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前スレ：　>>23225817

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>due to sharex cards being hand make
made*

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i watched and mined one episode of a drama and it was kind of interesting but i felt like i was cheating on anime so i might not continue it

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOsgxh6YW5g
i rarely watch eds but this one bangs

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>>23236489
the only good ドラマ i've ever found was トリック but it got pretty predictable as it went on.

most modern japanese live action stuff is super cringeworthy with terrible acting, which is weird considering from the 50s through to the 80s this same country was churning out some of the greatest works of cinema ever made.

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女より仲間

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>>23236517
>from the 50s through to the 80s this same country was churning out some of the greatest works of cinema ever made.
nah german and russian films have always been better than japanese ones.
japan's only good at anime.

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仲間より自分

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>>23236517
>which is weird considering from the 50s through to the 80s this same country was churning out some of the greatest works of cinema ever made.
wtf

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>>23236598
imagine unironically believing this

>>23236605
take a break from the chinese cartoons some time and watch some kurosawa akira movies

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look i already know these hyper conformist bugs can't make good media i'm not about to watch movies i don't understand

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>>23236623
have some more while i'm at it i guess. probably a lot of overlap but oh well.

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>>23236623
the only reason you believe this is because you chose to learn japanese INSTEAD of german or russian

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>>23236631

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>>23236639

>>23236637
the only reason you believe >>23236598 is because you're a russian living in germany, qm

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samurai films are the japanese equivalent of shitty old western films my dad likes to watch because of "muh nostalgia"

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>>23236645

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>>23236650
t. dumb n6-level zoomer who's resentful about his dad having better taste than him

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>>23236672

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>>23236678
last one

>Woman in the Dunes (1964), The Face of Another (1966), Pastoral: To Die in the Country (1974), The Naked Island (1960), Funeral Parade of Roses (1969)
>Pale Flower (1964), Death by Hanging (1968), Boy (1969), Vengeance Is Mine (1979), Profound Desires of the Gods (1968)
>Branded to Kill (1967), Pigs and Battleships (1961), Pitfall (1962), Eros + Massacre (1969), Tokyo Drifter (1966)
>The Ceremony (1971), The Insect Woman (1963), Gate of Flesh (1964), The Warped Ones (1960), Red Angel (1966)
>Double Suicide (1969), Intentions of Murder (1964), Giants and Toys (1958), A Man Vanishes (1967), The Pornographers (1966)

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>>23236637
How good is your russian?

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anime would improve by roughly 33% if it stopped explaining everything i mean i see the guy struggling to escape his grasp i don't need his internal monologue about how he can't escape

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anime sucks

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>>23236626
a 30 year old woman growing disillusioned with her ungrateful moocher boyfriend falls in love with a 15 year old highschool boy and fucks him or sucks his dick not sure which yet

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wtf this retard posting these images

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おはようおにいちゃん

きょうもいちにち

ごあんぜんに

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>>23236937
also known as daily life in japan

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きょうはこれみる

へいせいはゴスロリがおおかったね
https://gyao.yahoo.co.jp/player/00998/v00948/v0000000000000007081/

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>>23236517
> most modern japanese live action stuff is super cringeworthy with terrible acting

Anon, you have to side-step that and go for something where this is actually the point and makes the series actually charming. Try アオイホノオ which is full of super over the top acting and comedy but it's all just so funny you won't mind. I can also wholly recommend the manga it's based on if you are interested in anime/manga subculture of 70s and 80s.

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niggas how frequent a word is 微睡

my yomichan frequency this is failing me

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>>23237327
shows up 51 times in 92 vn scripts but doesn't appear in the anime+drama freq list or the vn freq list.

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wonder if i should finally take the limit new cards shown per day and have a giant backlog of cards automatically pumping thru pill

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>>23237327
Appears only once in my subs collection as 微睡み which is a different word.

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>>23237471
how is that a different word?

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>>23237495
it's just that 微睡 and 微睡み/微睡む are read differently.

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>>23237505
how so? i was looking at some song lyrics and they put it as 微睡 and the singer pronounced it まどろみ. but i do see that 微睡 has another pronunciation too, but maybe they can be read differently and the same way

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>>23237537
the chinese pronunciation is apparently the least common. 大辞林 doesn't give any usage examples for it unlike for the japanese pronunciation. so if you really want to make a card, まどろみ is your choice.

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>>23237537
i think this is just yet another example of how shitty and inconsistent kanji spellings are because of the lack of any sort of official standardisation.

you'd expect that 微睡み would be correct since まどろみ is obviously just the nominalized form of 微睡む, but none of the j-j dictionaries i use list that spelling. they all say まどろみ is 微睡 with no okurigana (though my IME disagrees and gives only 微睡み).

there's precedent for 微睡み being correct in the form of 微笑 vs. 微笑み / 微笑む (coincidentally, same initial kanji as in 微睡/微睡み/微睡む). 微笑 is never read as ほほえみ and always uses the 音読み 「びしょう」 instead.

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いもうとのパンツ
みたいな

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おねえさん>いもうと

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おかあさんほしい

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へんしつしゃ

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noticed anytime people post in japanese here its always very basic sentences

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そんな

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陰謀説

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>>23237732
protip: they're not japanese
also i don't think any japanese people would want to be here

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わたしはゲイです

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>>23237732
>>23237755
djt and quiz discord culture have quite simply made people around these parts way too scared of making a mistake in japanese

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never output jap never make a mistake

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>>23237775
outputting jap is retarded and crippling.

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>>23237775
one time i actually had one of my japanese friends post a bunch and no one believed their japanese was correct or that they were native japanese, so /jp/ is pretty much a joke

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>>23237775
ｔ。failed the n5 quiz

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>>23237803
if you get cripped just from writing more than one sentence then your japanese was already complete shit anyway

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>>23237833
never took that one!

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>>23237775
they're just fuckin weird antisocial bullies everyone who has ever learned a language to fluency made mistakes even natives themselves

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おひめさまだっこされたい

これマスト

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>>23237830
lmao

i think it's honestly just autism. who else remembers yoga saying he got corrected by a native japanese so he pulled out an anki card from his deck to tell them they're wrong. does anyone have the clip btw

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i just read お父さん as おじょうさん what

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>>23237909
i just did too whilst reading your comment

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ゴスロリが

まんがアニメから

すたれたりゆうはわかる

もうれつに

かくのがてまだから

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私は今日が七百漢字目を学んだ。

Feels good man.

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>>23237951
BASED!

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>>23237951
いいたいことはかんぜんにわかる

>私が学んだ漢字は今日までで７００になる

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>>23237957
すみませんとありがとう。
Obviously I still have a lot to learn.

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>>23237970
>すみません。ありがとう。

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estimated 746,000 infected in the US

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>>23238057
thanks for letting me know

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>>23238057
why did you post the exact number of hospital beds available in the US and say thats the number of estimated infected people?

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>>23237830
i just don't really want to read a thread full of japanese so ill happy bully people if it stops them i could just go to 2ch if i wanted that

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>>23238057
whoops.

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i dont give a fuck at all about any of the people suffering from this shit so long as me and mine are fine. wonder if im a piece of shit or if most people feel like this and are just pretending.

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>>23238171
they won't be fine for long if it keeps spreading that's the point

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>>23238097
you memorize hospital bed facts weirdo? i was just going off the covid19 current infection data map

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>>23238181
seems pretty alarmist to me given the fact that we basically dont leave the house and that my government has taken pretty harsh steps early on.

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>>23238188
no i googled it and the only thing that came up for that number in news was the amount of available hospital beds available in the US. anyway sounds like you are a retard anyways

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>>23238251
it's an embedded map with the number increasing daily ofc it won't show up on google you are a huge retard and in denial

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>>23238276
lmao and where do u think those maps source their data from? some super secret source with no public access?

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i am the only non-retard in this thread

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cPJHqMBR7M
for me, it's bi ki ni by anri

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>>23238285
i dont trust a map without a single news reporting on it

in fact the #s are supposed to be much lower but thats for CONFORMED cases. in reality prob in the millions

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>>23238309
if youre >>23238251 im agreeing with u, those maps are just based on public data

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ニュースみた

フランスとステイツ

まだマスクしてないんだって？

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>>23238319
can you just link the map already so i can inspect it myself

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>>23238309
millions of cases in US?

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>>23238332
are you stupid? im not that guy, my first post on this subject was >>23238285

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>>23238347
im not stupid i just stayed up all night

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tfw only 2 more episodes left of dorohedoro. theres no way this shit is getting another season, guess ill have to read the manga. fuck having to deal with kanjitomo is already pissing me off before i even started.

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>>23238368
thanks for the update

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can't read more than 120 characters a minute for hard vns or my comprehension fucks up

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>>23238381
not a problem

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>>23238394
why are you measuring it at all?

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>>23238403
measured a few times out of curiosity. wasn't happy with the result

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>>23238394
wait so it takes u 50-60 minutes to read 1 anime episode worth of text?

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>>23238394
whats an example of a hard vn according to you?

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>>23238403
>>23238435
なんのはなし？

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おなかがすいた

パンケーキかなあ

おにいちゃんもたべる？

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don't know why japanese normies like the dead alligator so much

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>>23238451
anime is easier usually so about 35. vns are more dense and much more words to look up

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>>23238493
?

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>>23238513
If they're distinct, yes. But some of them look similar with a few differences. The characters i'm having trouble the most right now is the upside down square root characters like 週 and 遠.

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>>23238605
fuck that looks shit

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>>23238547
I found kanjidamage but rtk is too broad, can you spoonfeed me a little please.
>>23238582
>it'll likely eventually stop being a problem for u
I hope so, i finish anki everyday but recently i keep pressing the again button too much i'm concerned about my progress.

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>>23238641
but i have to get perfect native japanese in 18 months just like khatz

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ok heres a real challenge for u flashtard autists
try holding a conversation with a native japanese speaker for +10 min and upload a recording of it over to youtube

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>>23238760
who cares about talking to japs

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ＢＮＡっていうの

おもしろそうかもしれない

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>>23238835
it probably doesnt matter in the greater scope of things but you should at least acknowledge that somebody holding a conversation with someone else in japanese is showing more substantial evidence of fluency than somebody who knows the readings for 20k words

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>>23238883
ok? was anyone saying otherwise? we shit on qm every day lol

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is there an abbreviated word for どさくさ紛れ i feel like i saw one like どまぎ or something a while ago but i can't find it now

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>>23239035
this is how 99% of natives interact with media lol do u think people who watch avengers or whatever are drawing some deep meaning from it or are they just smiling at the pretty pictures

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>>23239066
haha, i can't disagree there

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>>23239056
>things that are meant for little kids will sound wondrous
that sounds great kids have way more fun

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>>23239096
i'm pretty sure that you need to interact with japanese people to understand common problems to japanese that really aren't obvious otherwise. you need to experience the same things in order to relate. most people to things they've experienced before, and you know, most shit is based off of real life to a large degree.

but again if all you want to do is pretend and have some fun, none of this is important. but you really can't say you understand what it's like to be in japan and what the author probably intends or feels.

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>>23239107
not mutually exclusive
kids find meaning through feeling and experiencing while adults just mentally analyze the shit out of everything

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>>23239118
if you think i mean that vns are a realistic depiction of relationships you're just exposing your notoriously low iq here jamal products of a culture reflect that culture in many ways

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>products of a culture reflect that culture in many ways
so does that mean some american autist who sits in his basement and codes a school shooter simulator is reflective of broader american culture?

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>>23239124
>what the author probably intends or feels.
people who study literature for a living don't even think this is important so why should i feel like it's important for my understanding of something lol

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>>23239167
i went to a post structuralist school so we discarded those guys old opinions sorry

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くうきがわるいよ

ギスギスしてる

みんな

しんこきゅうして

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>>23239223
think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of deconstructionism if you think the authors feelings when he wrote it are important in analysing a text lol

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Is there a decent tool under windows that would let me draw kanjis for easy lookup?

Kinda wish KanjiTomo had that ability.q

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>>23239263
use jisho's radical search feature

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>>23239293
thats not meisou girl

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>>23239352
Fucking hell, yeah that actually instantly got me the two kanjis I needed, thanks anon.

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>>23239301
thx
https://youtu.be/gFbxUsihSEI

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>>23239399
translation is just another form of literary analysis lol, you have to perform your own analysis of a text in order to translate it go read derridas writing on translation if you wish to know more

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unless you think there's only 1 way to translate something ?

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>>23239474
translation is a metatext it's not really a new work, it's in the exact same text type as a review or criticism of a work but there's not really much point arguing about this so im giving up

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>>23239663
I think we agree mostly. We're arguing about degree. Someone who studied Greek culture and has a broader understanding of what was going on at the time, is most likely going to have a better understanding and ultimately provide a better experience when communicating about said text.

I would say you can definitely discount a lot of nonsense as uneducated, and you can absolutely critically acclaim one piece of work over another. It happens all the time in the real world. It doesn't mean that the widely-accepted version is the best, but again, law of averages definitely favor one version over another. A random crackpot on 4chan isn't likely to have a better understanding over cutting edge experimental physics compared to researchers with post-docs working in the field. It's possible, but extremely unlikely.

In other words, I'm pretty sure I'm going to take the average opinion of say 20 native Japanese people about the meaning of a work rather than you. You might be right about something a lot of Japanese people were wrong about, but law of averages and probabilities say you're probably "fucking wrong about most shit".

There's a reason why they only hire natives for translation work for really super important documents. In the real world, like you're talking about, natives get precedence. Governments aren't hiring people who don't speak languages that well for translation purposes because they think it'll result in a good translation.

Again, don't let this take away from your fun. But it doesn't make you "right", and it definitely doesn't give you magical insight into what a group of natives would most likely feel or think about a said work.

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stfu nerds

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https://youtu.be/PuBXIwPoSbc
lmfao

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>>23239947
nah anubis is a real killer bro

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>>23239951
im not claiming you can have a valid analysis with 0 knowledge but only that actually experiencing the culture for yourself by being in japan is not necessary. in the same way that the greek scholar can read and understand literature without ever having met an ancient Greek can do, because such cultural information like "how people say hello" is contained within works and other meta textual info.

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>>23240057
no

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i could sock every "good poster" in this thread in the jaw and render them unconscious

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>>23239991
Again, there's a problem with degree here. You're arguing about the Odyssey. You're right that Greek scholars produce useful work because they put in the effort to do so, but let's say I have """Homer""" in front of me, transported through time. Am I going to take a scholar's word over Homer's? A scholar might have something useful to add, but there's no question Homer will provide the canonical analysis.

We have natives. They provide the canonical understanding of the language. Language is a tool for communication. You might have something interesting to say here and there about a work, but if you're not native yourself, and you haven't interacted with any natives, you're going to pale in comparison to the real thing.

Now you can argue it might matter how much a non-native studies compared to a native, and other related problems, but again you can point to law of averages, and let's be honest, you're probably doing a real shit job at learning Japanese if you haven't even spent more then 100 hours talking to a Japanese person.

Trying to claim that you have a worthwhile or intellectually useful opinion about critical literary analysis of a work, when numerous natives exist, and when you make no effort to communicate with said natives, is not only self-serving, but again, the height of hubris.

You might have fun, you might have some viewpoint that other people find fun, but you're not sharing in the communication process.

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>>23240197
not sharing in the communication process = not understanding the work.

you might understand part of it, but probably not a lot of it, and you're probably not doing a good job

also i didn't say without having lived in japan, i said without interacting with natives.

is it possible to learn japanese without ever interacting with natives? sure, anything's possible on 4chan

is it likely? maybe on the same level as a Boltzmann brain.

i'm just saying that people who don't interact with natives are having fun, but they're not "understanding" the work (in the sense that they can provide any critical or useful analysis) when compared to natives themselves (especially natives that aren't retards)

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>>23240219
okay but then you're saying it impossible to learn any dead language then which takes us back to homer

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>>23240290
why would this get deleted and not the post it's responding to

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>>23240369
so there is no single valid interpretation? isn't that a contradiction of what you're trying to say

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>>23240400
give me one example of a thing that's hard to understand that could be understood by simply watching natives talk to each other about that same thing. what is the special element that comes from your own participation in the conversation? it sounds like you're talking about some magical thing to me. it's even easier for people nowadays to learn languages without interaction because there's an endless stream of native writing and video on any given topic which is not the case for ancient cultures

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>>23240416
thing that couldn't be understood*

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>>23240390
guess the meaning les gooooooo baby reading was obvious

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>>23240416
sure.

1. if i say, 部屋着 what is the general definition, why is there a specific word for 部屋着 and what wouldn't constitute 部屋着. what image comes to a japanese person's mind when 部屋着 is mentioned.

2. let's pretend someone's character is developed in a given vn by the way the speak (which is common in any literary work). you can infer certain things about a character (foreshadowing by the way the speak). what cultural implications would you draw from someone who says ラインの複数人トーク?

3. a man is jogging through a residential district in loose pants with no shirt on, with headphones in listening to music, they seem to be sweating. what would a japanese person think about what this person was doing?

i should mention that any of these things a japanese person would think of immediately and have an idea of what's going on, but someone who never interacts with natives would probably never think of "the implications"

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wanna mine at least 35 words today but im bored of all 3 shows that im watching

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>>23240606
you're correct, but no one is going to watch a video on everything they need to know.

being in japan, or interacting with people forces you to know a lot more stuff whether you want to or not.

doing things at your own leisure is not likely going to provide accurate japanese

proving this is not really an easy task, but i mean if you're honest with yourself (which you're obviously not), you'd be able to say, "hey i wouldn't have known this shit off the top of my head if i saw it randomly in a vn or drama or some bullshit and there was no obvious attention drawn to it"

anyway, there's no point in continuing because your argument is literally that you're smart enough to learn an entire language by being so careful you can figure everything out without any external source of verification (natives)

i mean it's really ridiculous when you think about it, the learning process requires peer validation, you can never be sure you're right, and one mistake could easily cascade into tons.

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wow these nerds are still going at it

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>>23240672
had to open the thread in incognito to see wtf ure talking about, guess its cause i filtered jamal and all these replies can be traced back to something he wrote.

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>>23240773
how do you know they can't? you only know that they can't speak english but that doesn't mean they can't understand it

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>>23240777
considering it's all information i learned through communication, it would by definition all be stuff i learned talking to natives online (before i even came to japan), considering i got here, uhh... like a couple months ago? but i've been talking to japanese people online for like 10 years.

>>23240782
i know they can't because i speak enough japanese to verify if they understand the english
they don't.
i was with a japanese person today, some indian dude walked up to us in the supermarket
japanese person i was with has a teaching degree and studied english

she couldn't understand a basic conversation about this dude not being able to eat sugar and whether sugar was a written ingredient

anyway enjoy your vns, i don't really give a fuck, and i'll probably come back to 4chan another year from now to see what's up again

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>>23240806
>i've been talking to japanese people online for like 10 years
so basically you've been exposed to a lot of japanese and you think it's the communication specifically that taught you these stuff. if you just read vns for 10 years instead you'd probably have the same level of info you're just privileging your own experience. if you actually answered my question properly you'd realise there's no answer to it that doesn't rely on "talking about some specific situation" which can be replicated by media

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>>23240829
naw, i don't agree with that at all. after coming to japan, there's a lot of stuff that changed my opinion of the stuff even i thought i knew really well after spending 10 years talking to people and watching animu, and shitting around with you guys on /jp/ acting all snobby

having to come here and work at a real company, and i've already interacted with thousands of people, even going out to eat and going to peoples homes and all sorts of shit

what i thought i knew being "super careful" a lot of it was wrong. and it only makes sense that it was. no matter how careful you are, you're going to fuck up.

that doesn't mean you can't get to a good degree of accuracy, and there's some people that probably have really good innate language skill, but most people aren't going to be able to do it

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>>23240829
also, just to say it vns don't even use the same japanese as normal japanese does

you're saying like people playing dnd are going to teach you normal english, it's kind of a joke.

maybe a huge wide variety of media (which is actually what i did), but honestly it still wasn't enough

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not really feeling the 舐犢之愛 from jamal

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>>23240849
so you've upgraded to saying we can't learn japanese unless we live in japan because we'll always be wrong about stuff. which is why im saying it doesn't matter because it's fine to be wrong as a non native as long as you enjoy what you're doing because you can get to a point where you understand it well enough for it to be personally fulfilling you don't actually need to go live in japan to understand VNs you just need to understand vns because as you said they aren't even representative of real japanese so why would real japanese people help you understand them?

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>>23240849
>after spending 10 years talking to people and watching animu
that doesn't really say much about your actual level
the better you are at japanese before coming to japan the smaller the perceived benefit from living in japan is going to be
now i do believe there are some aspects that you really only internalize if you live in japan for a while but those are miniscule and you can get a fantastic grasp of the language without ever setting foot into the country

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>>23240934
you can believe that all you want, but given that you admitted you don't talk to japanese people and never want to, and you've never been to japan (i assume because you've never talked to japanese people), at least i'm pretty sure you said that, i've stopped caring

your opinion is basically uneducated, and not worth very much

"i'm smart because i say i am"
cool story bro

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>>23240952
that wasn't me but i never said anything about being smart i don't actually think it requires intelligence to learn a language it just requires thousands of hours of comprehensible input, anyone can learn a language with that and the wider the variety of input the more likely you will learn various cultural elements too, it's just information exposure over years

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>>23240972
i mean it's pretty simple
you think it's tons of input
i think it's tons of input + tons of output (in some form)
without output, you can't verify your understanding of the input
i think this is especially true when coming from a romance language to japanese, but since we have no way of proving each other wrong, and because i'm bored now, this seems like a good place to stop

i have nothing to do tomorrow so maybe i'll watch something, corona's basically shut a lot of shit down

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don't know what gratuitous means

[Anonymous No.]

>>23240983
>you can't verify your understanding of the input
you verify it when you see things that make no sense given your current understanding, this is how it works in ant language like if you see a phrase "his stomach rumbled" and you just assume it means he's sick but then you see another context where they talk about being hungry your understanding is corrected because your understanding conflicted with reality. with more and more exposure your misunderstandings are shaved away

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>>23240952
i'm not the person you were arguing with i didn't bother reading all of your posts
all i'm saying is that i think your judgement is clouded by the fact that you weren't very good in the first place so once you came to japan it felt like "oh i wow i'm learning all of this shit that's crazy i could have never done that at home" when in reality all you had to do was consume more japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>23241006
lots of things can seem to make sense but not make sense
what does a japanese person mean when they say ジュース
what encompasses juice
now yeah you might pick up some bullshit watching stuff, but you have so many more chances to be corrected and yelled at when you bring the wrong thing

>>23241007
you can think that all you want but it's probably not true, most of the people here have japanese far worse than i did before i even came to japan

i definitely talked to over 5k japanese people on skype before i even came here

input+output folks
you can chose not to believe me but i don't really give a fuck what you guys think anyway, i'm just really fucking bored

[Anonymous No.]

someone post*
seems like having a seizure from those walls of text already

[Anonymous No.]

id literally rather see 50 posts of the ugly whore mashiron in a row than any more walls of texts

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>23241153
pls no, my dopamine is extra fucked thx to the quarantine

[Anonymous No.]

>>23241301
tfw b専 idols aren't welcome very unfair on those poor girls who often have to work even harder than the beautiful ones

[Anonymous No.]

>>23241337
she looks like george constanza in that pic bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>23241413
実は下ですよね

[Anonymous No.]

>>23241529
読めない
出来ないから
またまたギブアプしてた

[Anonymous No.]

>>23241546
poo.

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/TheJapanCode/status/1241804753287479302

based MIAtards

[Anonymous No.]

>>23241646
tempted to make a twitter account to tell him to shut da fuck up

[Anonymous No.]

quarantines got us all going crazy

[Anonymous No.]

the quarantine is stupid we're inducing a depression just to save millions of lives but depressions can cost millions of lives. just let the old people die. it sucks but it's better than a depression.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23241744
no it wouldn't and you don't know what YOU'RE talking about

[Anonymous No.]

一年間しか勉強してるのに、まだたくさん問題がある。アニメを見る時とか。多分言葉をもっと習わなきゃいけない。
会話も全然したことないならどうする？もうすぐやらないと駄目でしょ。

[Anonymous No.]

>>23241764
it's got some issues

[Anonymous No.]

>>23241756
just stop bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>23241756
>一年間しか勉強してる
stopped reading there

[Anonymous No.]

>>23241822
せめて一行しか読んで

[Anonymous No.]

>>23241756
僕も１年間くらい勉強していた、そして僕もまだまだよ。「４年間必要」と言うこと多いので、たぶん珍しいではないと思う。

（僕も全然話さない。イジメないでくれ）

[Anonymous No.]

alright give us back the walls of text

[Anonymous No.]

What is a good stand alone novel or series available in the library to get into? I recently read all of the Project Itou books on there and they were great. I decided I'd always have some kind of Japanese book that I'm reading but I can't figure out what to read next.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23241756
>>23241764
>一年間しか勉強してるのに

>一年間
もう一年間
>しか
も
>勉強してる
勉強してきてる


>まだたくさん問題がある
問題はまだ沢山あります

[Anonymous No.]

>>23241301
i mean yeah you would also think that kimonos are part of japanese culture but seems like not

[Anonymous No.]

>>23241857
very simple, everything you write sounds like something a faggy sissy boy would write on his Twitter wall
you can't actually write proper written Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>23241881
0/10

[Anonymous No.]

>>23241865
the anime is amazing, top 5 for me and prolly my favorite fantasy show

[Anonymous No.]

>>23241857
>保護者から言い聞かされた思い込みの制約を持って育つ事であり生まれつきのIQに大きな違いは生じない
this is hard to understand

[Anonymous No.]

>>23241756
Ｎ４はとれる

スピーキングないし

[Anonymous No.]

>>23241849
魔法科高校の劣等生
ようこそ実力至上主義の教室へ
冴えない彼女の育てかた
この素晴らしい世界に祝福を！
とある魔術の禁書目録
やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。
デート・ア・ライブ

[Anonymous No.]

just had a big dunning kruger moment where i found 30 words i didn’t know in an 8 song album

[Anonymous No.]

>>23241964
great trash suggestions buddy

[Anonymous No.]

how did jamal get so good while only seeing 4k hours of anime?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23242011
>how did jamal get so good
he didnt

[Anonymous No.]

>>23242049
i got rid of him bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>23241931
>>23241932
そんなぁ

[Anonymous No.]

just shaking my head at the retards going on about talking to japanese people, they really don't get it do they
i don't give a single, not 1 (one), shit about speaking to japanese people you shit gurgling normie weirdos
i can read whatever i want and that's all i care about

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>>23242070
cool story?

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>>23242085
yeah, was just replying to the retards earlier in the thread

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>>23241976
i figured some elitist would cry out but they're all highly rated lns and relatively long so if you manage to enjoy one you'll have a few weeks or months of stuff to read

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>>23241943
is that saying mental retardation is just a social construct caused by bad parenting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23242157
i know what it certainly is and it's me fucking your ass as you waste your life shitposting here and never ever learning anything especially not japanese while i'm having fun with rad nihongo & other entertainment material

[Anonymous No.]

>>23242176

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>>23242180
what is it?

nightmare mode: no normalfag hip hop music

[Anonymous No.]

same posts different day
have you pulled the "dont sign ur posts" this thread yet

[Anonymous No.]

obviously

[Anonymous No.]

nice posting bros

[Anonymous No.]

>>23242344
if it makes you happy to think so sure
>>23242349
>stay safe jamal, if you drop dead theres no point coming to these threads anymore
wow so dropping dead would be the one good thing he's done

[Anonymous No.]

>自らを統治できぬ者に国土を統治できようはずもない
when u hit that perfect i+1 sentence

*chefs kiss*

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>>23242421
修身斉家治国平天下

[Anonymous No.]

if you mess with jamal he will keep responding until he gets tired and falls asleep??

[Anonymous No.]

>>23242431
nice

[Anonymous No.]

i skipped a day now my reviews are 440

[Anonymous No.]

those fps are all boring

[Anonymous No.]

>>23242490
p sure japanese is easier than arabic, finnish, nahuatl, and adyghe

[Anonymous No.]

>>23242513
why are you sure

[Anonymous No.]

>>23242510
in comparison to what? scots? spanish?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23242529
have you learned japanese or are you just going based on what it says on the wikipedia grammar page

[Anonymous No.]

>>23242527
this shit seems pretty crazy in comparison to what tae blimp has https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adyghe_grammar

[Anonymous No.]

>>23242529
everything

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>>23242537
ive gone thru the entirity of core10k, read all of the dojg, read 20 eroge and busted a nut to +50 h-manga, and once ordered soba in japanese, so i guess i kinda know a thing or two about nihongo learning.

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>>23242561
>once ordered soba in japanese
woah this guys hella fuckin 流暢 better take his advice

[Anonymous No.]

>>23242527
>>23242558
look at this low iq who doesn’t realize that language difficulty is based off amount of potential interesting media

[Anonymous No.]

>>23242601
it's also based off being hard as fuck to learn even if you watch anime every day for years

[Anonymous No.]

>>23242601
that's why japanese is impossible

[Anonymous No.]

>>23242615
just remember dolly's trains and make mnemonics for everything kanjidamage-style

[Anonymous No.]

>>23242644
shadafakap

[Anonymous No.]

i don't think id be able to learn english if i had to rely on media and wasn't native

[Anonymous No.]

>>23242687
kino

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>>23242679
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ve5p-0Q4tY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBuub4Xe1mw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHiGbolFFGw

[Anonymous No.]

>>23242721
t. zoomer who wishes he were an old world xoomer

[Anonymous No.]

can anybody link jamals patreon page

[Anonymous No.]

アメリカ人って皮オナニー出来ないよね

可哀想

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/TheMadAjatter
戻ったんだ

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243025

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>>23243025
damn nice titties

[Anonymous No.]

Saying の makes you sound like a anime character right or is it な
-@TheMadAjatter

[Anonymous No.]

read 素直 as 正直
fuck this thread so much

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243070
done it like 3 times now myself

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243025
wwtf

[Anonymous No.]

Pictures of DJT celebrity Quizmaster leaked

[Anonymous No.]

actual photo of qm leaked

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243139
i pray for you bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243013
https://twitter.com/TheMadAjatter/status/1237171647448301568

why are all these mia tards so enlightened?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243139
jeez dude wtf

[Anonymous No.]

cant stop reading mia as missing in action never gonna make it

[Anonymous No.]

finna bust a fat nut right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243158
mia is a literal 感染病 that makes you hate anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243165
t. homunculus

[Anonymous No.]

>>23240330
>the で in ただでやってる means roughly "for"
based retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243235
>>23243246
i have no idea whos baiting who right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243254
you should be more careful what if some noob comes in and sees this and thinks "oh so tada de yaru is wrong" its like cheese sweet home level crippling

[Anonymous No.]

having a bad time right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243284
why whats troubling u bro

[Anonymous No.]

well you know me bros

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243246
>i had to make it fit the english meme
what did he mean by this

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243276
this hurts bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243307
what do you mean

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243262
>cheese sweet home level crippling
>cheese sweet home
what did he mean by this

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243316
hello newfriend

[Anonymous No.]

now that i can watch normal shows with jp subs how do i force myself to watch kiddy shit like mitsuboshi colors raw to get better at listening? fuck bros

[Anonymous No.]

startin to think these "mitsuboshi colors is shit" posts are a cia honeypot to get anons to expose themselves

>>23243349
fuck off glownigger

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>>23243311
it reminds me that i dont have a kurokami bijin anime girl gf

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243358
whats ur problem? i watched the show already so ur hypothesis kinda sucks lol plus theres no pedo shit there anyways

[Anonymous No.]

thinking im good enough to watch berserk with subtitles now, might do it

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243365
uh don't think that's the kind of video that is

[Anonymous No.]

wish there were good anime

[Anonymous No.]

well the easiest way to watch shows like mitsuboshi colors is to vent your frustrations on djt. i haven't complained much about them recently and maybe that's why i'm watching less, so i'll start venting again. i saw images and memes based on all of these stupid fucking shows for years and always thought they looked shallow and lame and they are. but i assumed there must be at least something unique about them.

i was wrong. they just rehash the same tropes, all pandering to losers who want epic gamer girlfriends or women who can relate to their neetdom. most shounen are garbage but at least they are masculine power fantasies. this shit is just irredeemable. fuck watamote btw. so fucking bad. i don't give a FUCK about this dumb loser bitch's boring stupid life. with animation the possibilities are nearly limitless but japs choose to produce this garbage? so fucking dumb.

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>>23243390
shut da fuck up soulless goblin

[Anonymous No.]

watamote is so good

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243390
unlimited blade works and tales of zestiria are 2 of the best looking anime ever made and the story and characters in both are not much better than the average sol. the MCs both suck dick and the supporting characters are completely devoid of anything interesting. idk why newer anime struggles so hard with good characterization. im watching twelve kingdoms atm and the main character already had a mini-arc within the first 8 episodes. nothing groundbreaking but still.

[Anonymous No.]

what do japanese adults watch? it can't be anime or drama they both suck ass. i guess they must watch american shows on netflix.

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>>23242490
it’s hard bro don’t worry. the people who rarely struggle have put in 5000 hours+

[Anonymous No.]

japanese adults watch this on repeat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TRs6cMZkQY

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243442
what makes you think the average person anywhere likes anything good

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243454
i don't that's why i said they watch american shows.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243442
nothing, they work overtime so they can pay for their gacha games

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243424
there’s hundreds of other shit you can watch that isn’t that it’s not wasting anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243449
thats a childrens show

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243484
https://vocaroo.com/i/s0XFSk2VXA30
keep in mind it's your word against an expert's. i bet he'll come out of rehab braindamaged and liking sol or some bad seinen you think are good haha

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243483
just because there's a few alternatives doesn't mean the effort spent animating little girls isn't a waste

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243482
yea this is true my shachiku exgf only watched like 2 shows on netflix during the year we lived together and that was it no gacha though

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243013
>ヌこうぜ 冒険者なら。
what did he mean by this

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243538
lol that's the only thing not completely jacked up bro
https://youtu.be/RR6kzUMimSI

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243449
damn what a banger gonna have to watch hxh99 now

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243385
yh thats why it hurts

[Anonymous No.]

gonna teach myself how to read japanese all over again from step 1

[Anonymous No.]

welcome back calvin

[Anonymous No.]

does anyone know where to find the ダンジョンに出会いを求めるのは間違っているだろうか lns in ebook format? itazuraneko only has volume 1

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243774
if it's not on there it's probably not available without paying

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243780
thanks, i feared as much

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243780
you'd think with stuff like kindle unlimited japanese ebook pirating would have taken off by now

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243794
>cheating on your pure 2d waifu with a 3d pig
normalfags should be gassed

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243800
doesnt the publisher have to opt into that? theres probably nothing new or worthwhile available otherwise it wouldve all been ripped a long time ago given that the first months free

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243831
>theres probably nothing new or worthwhile available otherwise it wouldve all been ripped a long time ago
nah, japanese pirates are just fucking retards who convert ebooks into jpg images before releasing them and actually think they are doing people a favor

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243794
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTLcXMA5_iI

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243850
if its just a matter of making a free account then how come we havent scraped the whole site yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23243850
lol

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgvGhiEwO7g

[Anonymous No.]

>>23244033
dumb frog poster

[Anonymous No.]

>>23244033
this is what happens when 21st century boys try to become polymaths

[Anonymous No.]

>>23244033
i don't have a high enough IQ to understand what he's talking about

[Anonymous No.]

is khatzumoto jamal's alter ego?

[Anonymous No.]

how do you say based and redpilled in nip

[Anonymous No.]

>>23244101
あなたにこの星をあげます

[Anonymous No.]

>>23244101
its a 4chan phrase
you cant translate it to japanese

[Anonymous No.]

would anybody here get this if it was really cheap?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23244106
ベースにして赤ピル!

[Anonymous No.]

>>23244101
sou da ne

[Anonymous No.]

should i get a switch lite

[Anonymous No.]

i remember finding this in the early 2010s and immediately falling in love with this
kashis are really hard to understand still to this day but i really feel a huge feel when i recognize all the words now
we're all gonna make it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e6C8gEUzQ4

[Anonymous No.]

>>23244224
idgaf about the song, but i love the hilly topography of the area shown in that music video

[Anonymous No.]

>>23244199
yeah there’s one for atheists

[Anonymous No.]

結果も出してないのに、頑張っただけの自分なんて、ほめちゃ駄目なんですよ

[Anonymous No.]

i wish i lived in a hilly neighborhood
it doesn't matter where, as long as it's not a brazilian or mexican slumtown

[Anonymous No.]

>>23244224
was listening to the song and wondering if we all gonna make it then read your post. thanks anon

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B9ivP8xunA

[Anonymous No.]

wotd: のみ

[Anonymous No.]

>>23244295
それは全然違うのよ。まるで虐待なんだその考え方

[Anonymous No.]

can i get some galge/dating sim recs for vita? don’t care if it’s “censored porn”. the point is to read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23244640
no idea

[Anonymous No.]

what’s the connection between occasion and machine in 機. why are they the same kanji

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

slime forest adventure is actually pretty useful so far, wish i had found about it sooner

[Anonymous No.]

>>23245026
have you considered it doesnt mean machine