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>> No.23072184

Why would it ever be too late? ZUN could announce he's retiring from the project and there'd still be fan content for years after.

>> No.23072204
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>>23072176
yes unless you were hardcore fan who played every extra stage and all stages on lunatic when eosd came out there is no hope for you, you are eternally secondary!

>> No.23072264

It's not too late to be a fan. In fact, it must be great to get into it now, considering there are 17 games in the main series, multiple spinoffs, hundreds of doujin games and music albums, over 500.000 pieces of fanart, and so on. With all of that considered, there is always more media in the works to look forward to.

However, it's definitely too late to get into the fandom, unless you're willing to lower your standards. Most of the discussions surrounding the series have already been done to death, and people have moved on. What's left, at least in the English speaking sphere, is rarely anything but meme-spouting and cute-posting.
You might have some luck if you want to have a serious discussion about Touhou lore and characters, which happen on /jp/ once in a while.

There's always room for more artists, though, even in a saturated fandom such as Touhou. So if you're into those kind things you'll probably find a decent community.

>> No.23073474

>>23072176
Honestly yes, almost everyone has moved on. Japanese, general "eastern" and western fanbases all shrunk to a fraction of their former size. Bulk of fan content creators went to some gacha. There's a tiny bit of people playing the games but it's clear everyone who had any interest either played them to hell and back and moved on or tried them and didn't like them much.

Touhou as a fad is in the stage of lingering before being completely over but at least you have bunch of games to chug through.

>> No.23073566

You've got it backwards. It's too early to be a Touhoufan. Elementary school kids in Japan are getting into it and it will take some time for them to grow older and start producing content. Wait another 10-15 years and come back then.

>> No.23073866

>>23072176
It's easy to being a 2hu fan.
All you need is remember the name of top 10 popular characters, and constant posting memes such as the AWOOO and ARMPIT

>> No.23074134

>>23072204
say it ain't so

>> No.23074175
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Mark my words, for Mima's return shall herald the rebirth of the fanchise and fandom.

>> No.23077248

Remember when being an otaku that's into 2hu and anime was a niche thing? What happened these past two decades?

>> No.23077263

>>23077248
Anime in the US has never been niche. It was played regularly before and after school time on US television in the 70s and 80s and even had mid evening showings for students that played sports and came home later. Anime was always 1000% mainstream here. The first anime ftp servers on the planet were hosted by MIT and NASA.

>> No.23077298

gachashit is so fucking soulless why are they winning

>> No.23077479

2hu as games are shitty I prefer CAVE stuff.
for porn is god tier

>> No.23077504

>>23077479
For porn it is still worse than Fate, KanCole and Overwatch.

>> No.23077584

>>23077504
Nah 2hu has more truly degenerate porn

>> No.23077593

>>23077584
If you want truly degenerate porn then you go for MLP and Sonic.

>> No.23078429

>>23077263
I think your definition of niche is too narrow. I agree that anime has always been well received in the US when the opportunity to see it arose. Very few shows made it to tv in the US before 2000 though. Anyone who self-identified as an anime fan was part of a niche community before then and getting your hands on most shows wasn't that easy.

Touhou in particular is niche by nature in a way anime in general isn't There's an anime for every interest. Touhou doesn't try to and can't appeal to everyone. More to the point, the fandom was quite small before 2009 and most of 4chan wasn't even aware of it before Marisa stole Alice's thing.

>> No.23078503

>>23078429
Again you are completely missing the point that anime was huge in the 70s and 80s. It was never niche. It was mainstream and to watch it all you had to do was turn on the tv. Battle of the Planets, Captain Harlock, Robotech, Gaiking, Voltron, Grandizer, Starzinger etc etc etc. I am guessing you are young and had no idea how popular anime has always been in the US.

>> No.23078544

>>23078503
Apparently you have a different definition of what "mainstream" is, because shows I typically think of as being "mainstream" are Family Guy, Grey's Anatomy, Sex and the City, Lost, etc. And this was back in the 2000s. Claiming anime is as huge as those shows such that you can visit a typical American home and the family would be watching anime is completely wrong. Anime had a foothold in the West, but it wasn't widespread to the point where it'd seem like the norm and you wouldn't think twice about it if your neighbor watched anime back in the 90s.

>> No.23078589

>>23078544
Mainstream is fucking broadcasting anime on television in the morning and afternoon when there were only a fucking few channels on tv in the first place you stupid fucking faggotpedia moron. You can sit there and say "butbutbutbut" as much as you want but it does not change the fact that anime has always been mainstream in the US. Always. Just like Saturday afternoon Kaiju films were huge. There is a reason why yuppie executives paid all the fucking money for licensing fees for anime. Because it had a huge audience. As much as you want it to not be that way. It will never not be that way.

>> No.23078596

>>23078589
Mainstream: the ideas, attitudes, or activities that are regarded as normal or conventional; the dominant trend in opinion, fashion, or the arts.

>> No.23078602

>>23078596
Exactly. Anime has always been mainstream in the US. I am glad I could help unfuck your brain that was suffering from a noticeable lack of comprehension.

>> No.23078612

>>23078589
>>23078589
And being broadcast on television with all the executives and money backing it does not automatically make something "mainstream." Again, where are you getting your definition from? I think of it more as general public perception such that it seems completely normal in a society, which anime was not in America. And still really isn't today.

>>23078602
>regarded as normal or conventional; the dominant trend in opinion, fashion, or the arts.
Please re-read that part. Do you feel like anime fits that criteria? Answer this, can you walk up to a random person on the streets of New York and discuss anime with them back in the 70s, much less today?

>> No.23078635

>>23078589
Additionally, I can argue My Little Pony has a large viewer-base and there definitely is a large audience of fans. So much so there are conventions dedicated to it. By your logic, does that mean MLP is mainstream within society today? Is it wrong of me to define MLP as something niche?

>> No.23078636

>>23078612
You could walk up to any kid in the late 70s and 80s in New York and discuss anime, Kung Fu movies or fucking Godzilla movies unless they were so poor that they lived in a squat with no tv and even then they would still know what it was from hearing from their friends and seeing all they toys in the stores. You are just going to keep replying "butbutbutbutbutbutbut" because you learned something new (that anime has always been big in the US) and have no idea how to process the data.

>> No.23078639

>>23078635
BUBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUT

>> No.23078651

>>23078636
I'm pretty sure if you talk about Battle of the Planets, Captain Harlock, Robotech, Gaiking, Voltron, Grandizer, Starzinger etc to a random kid, they'd have no idea what you're talking about. Again, please define what you think "mainstream" means. Then explain how you think anime is mainstream when Grey's Anatomy clocks in at millions of viewers. Do you think anime gets millions of viewers in the West? And furthermore, how about providing some statistics of how "big" your anime is and compare it to other major shows in America.

>> No.23078660

>>23078639
Non-argument, you're failing to answer any of my questions and are just deflecting now. Again, using your logic I can replace the word "anime" with "My Little Pony." Does my MLP argument seem as valid as your argument?

>> No.23078661

>>23078651
Stop typing you braindead cocksucking faggot.

>> No.23078665

>>23078661
So are you going to make a counter-argument to any of my claims or are just going to continue throwing ad hominems like a person out of /pol/?

>> No.23078667

>>23078660
You can't use my logic. Your HIV-associated neurocognitive disorder addled brain is too far gone for that.

>> No.23078671

>>23078667
>I can argue My Little Pony has a large viewer-base and there definitely is a large audience of fans. So much so there are conventions dedicated to it. By your logic, does that mean MLP is mainstream within society today?

MLP fits all of your criteria being mainstream. Are you admitting MLP is mainstream?

>> No.23078674

>>23078665
Your "claims" are just "shit I made up because I don't know any better". You were wrong about the history of anime in the US and are just going to keep saying "butbutbutbutbutbut". Have fun with that.

>> No.23078682

>>23078674
Again, please define what you think "mainstream" means. Then explain how you think anime is mainstream when Grey's Anatomy clocks in at millions of viewers. Do you think anime gets millions of viewers in the West? And furthermore, how about providing some statistics of how "big" your anime is and compare it to other major shows in America.

>> No.23078685

>>23078503
Anime is a pretty wide category.
Yes some of it has been "mainstream". But that black kid you knew in school who watched every episode of DBZ, or the Pokemon nerd, or the girl who loved sailor moon, probably didn't watch subbed shows, Evangelion, Lucky Star, etc. If they did, they probably didn't discuss it openly much. Some Anime was picked up by tv execs and shoveled westward, but for a long time the vast majority of Anime was not by any means mainstream in the west.

>> No.23078689

>>23072176
Why would it be?
>>23073474
Even if that was true, the fan content still remains, and there's nothing stopping people from making new fan content.

>> No.23079018

IT'S NOT AN ANIME!!!

>> No.23079095

>>23073474
Touhou as a fad has been dead for over seven years. The vast majority of fan works being created now aren't the products of trend junkies, they've been producing the same content for years on end, so there's little to no reason for them to stop just to cash in on the latest gacha.

>> No.23079382

>>23077504
Overwatch porn is awful

>> No.23087716
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don't worry people still make touhou content

>> No.23093197 [DELETED] 

>>23072176

>> No.23095422

>>23087716
This.

>> No.23095594

>>23072176
remember when boats was gonna kill 2hu, so yea it pretty safe to be a fan

>> No.23095780

>>23095594
I think boats and fate have crippled 2hu, the fanart's dried up to a trickle unless there's some magic button I'm overlooking on twitter because it sure ain't happening on pixiv anymore. Almost all of the best artists moved on.

>> No.23096664

>>23072176
Non ironically yes.
The golden age was like a decade ago and while the franchise still gets new stuff it will never get the same attention again.
It's clear even ZUN cares way more less now than before, as he moved to more other stuff in his life like his family and his beer hobby.
I guess for some hipsters that's good, so it's up to you in the end. But if you were here around 2010 or even before that everything was about Touhou and it was a good time to be a fan. Comiket was dominated extremely hard by Touhou to the point it was just Reitaisai 2.0. Now Touhou barely gets anything compared to the big shots and even some not so big still get the same amount if not more.

>> No.23096943

>>23096664
Beer isn't ZUN's hobby, it's his way of life.

That said Comiket still has a huge chunk that's all touhou

>> No.23097528 [DELETED] 

>>23072176
yes

>> No.23097573

Touhou has reclined.

>> No.23097654

>>23095780
Touhou has always had a ton of amateur artists. it still does. You're definitely missing something on twitter (and conventions) because the amount of fan art Touhou gets can't reasonably be described as a trickle.

>> No.23097663

>>23095780
Almost noone is using pixiv now. Everybody are on twitter.

>> No.23097665

>>23096664
This post is only accurate in the sense that there was more fan art in 2010 than there is now. Besides that, it greatly downplays how much is still going on and even presumes to be able to read ZUN's mind.

>> No.23106043 [DELETED] 

Reimoo

>> No.23112302 [DELETED] 

>>23072176
yes

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>>23072176
too late

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>>23077298
Because every person with a single half-dead brain cell can play them, and that's a fuckton of people.

>> No.23113908

>>23077298
It's the cute and well-drawn girls that are featured in gachashit that are making people move towards them.
As well as the obvious COOM-like behavior of getting addicted to "winning" in these types of games.

I guess the christcucks were right on that one about betting, though.

>> No.23113922

>>23072176
i was in it for the music since 2013 still really don't know much about the lore and haven't completed any of the official games but hey

>> No.23114089 [DELETED] 

>>23113908
They’re right on a majority of things. You all dismiss it because you either don’t like Christianity because it says you shouldn’t do something for your own well being or because some idiot runs their mouth when they know very little.

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