/gg/ - Gust General

[Anonymous No.]

This is a thread for the discussion of any games made by Gust. Atelier, Mana Khemia, Ar Tonelico etc
I don't have any pastebins

[Anonymous No.]

>/v/ or /vg
Thread would die too fast on those boards if it even got replies
Besides Gust general used to live here anyway

[Anonymous No.]

Hello Gust thread, long time no see.
When do you think will Tsuchiya make a new game?

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>>22727630
What's he been doing lately?

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I only got into Atelier 2 days ago with Rorona, so I have no nostalgia
But when I started up Sophie and after the intro that OP played, for some reason I started tearing up

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>9
oh nonono

[Anonymous No.]

Hi Gust thread, I hope everyone is doing well. I just wanted to throw out the threadly reminder that you should go play Ion's game! It even has a fully translated playthrough on youtube if you can't read moonrunes!

I hope everyone has a great 2020.

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>>22727631
Maybe working on something new? I don't know, but perhaps he gave some hints about that at the recent meetup at Comiket?

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I want a Blue Reflection sequel.

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>>22733191
This.

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Been trying to play Ar Tonelico on PCSX2 and it's pretty choppy, especially the FMV at the start when you load it up
Any fixes?

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>>22733191
It's always interesting hearing 4chan talk about Blue Reflection because I see much more people recommend against it rather than for it, yet I've seen every aspect about the game be praised in some way. I want a sequel too, by the way.

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>>22727476
Old https://pastebin.com/FBYAuFjC
>>22732570
Also getting a fan translation in the works but who knows how long that will take http://www.twitter.com/ateliertrad/status/1188575798770503680?s=21
>>22734636
Have you tried https://pastebin.com/mSMzUqU4

[Anonymous No.]

Turns out it was something to do with the memory card in AT

[Anonymous No.]

I know that the translations have been uploaded to the EXA_PICO wiki, but, does anyone here have an audio copy of both A and B sides of the Ethestron voicemails from Nei/Ion?

I really wanna know what her 24 year-old self sounds like. Hell, I didn't even know about the voicemails before I stumbled on them in the wiki.

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Not my uploads but re-posting from a previous thread anyways.

Atelier Sophie CG rip:
http://www.mediafire.com/?qb3xip6o81raxpv
pw: /jp/

Atelier Sophie OST, Vocal Album, and Sound Archives:

Flac
https://mega
.nz/#!h1wBwA6T!Ek4s4qcwdfPMLbcA148Y8JRSNKnvcd5NSGEQlnpNNCI

Vorbis
https://mega
.nz/#!klBlURzA!oqjL6HzqFUPI018AhK_ohpVL7Mgmv5nfCWxHhL2n7zI

/gg/, I seriously love this OST so much. I listen to it all the time. Does anyone else like it as much?

[Anonymous No.]

So /gg/, I just completed Atelier Ryza and it was my first game in the franchise but I really enjoyed it. Which one(s) should I play now? I found Ryza so calm and relaxing that I need more games like this.

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Where's the Ar Tonelico for lazy people thing?

I'm not interested in the game but I always liked seeing that on the front page. I would appreciate if you included it in future original posts. Thanks.

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>>22745373
There's a lot of other series to play but alot of the older games have a time limit so that may not be "relaxing" enough for you. A lot of people really love Arland because its a series about nothing. I personally enjoy Dusk the most for the world building and lore. Mysterious is mostly shit but it's still the Atelier formula, but if you had a lot of fun with Ryza then you will probably enjoy mysterious.

Arland
Rorona - Totori - Meruru - Lulua

Dusk
Ayesha - Escha & Logy - Shallie

Mysterious
Sophie - Firis - Lydie & Suelle


The older ps2 ones are great too but they play more like linear jrpgs than the Atelier experience.

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Is Dusk as painful without a guide/walkthrough as people describe it?
I like Atelier series and I like Hidari's art, but I absolutely hate time limits.

I often hear that time limits are a "defining feature" of Atelier series, but to me it always felt like an unnecessary challenge. My first Atelier titles were the ps2 ones(Iris 1-3 and Mana Khemia) and I still remember them very fondly. I recently tried Arland didn't find Rorona's time restrictions too hard but the game just didn't deliver. It also turned out I missed half of events the game had and some characters' plot-lines felt extremely underdeveloped. And the combat system felt like they scrapped all the good features and skills from ps2 games and decided to put in the most basic stuff you can up with in a jrpg.
So now I'm thinking if I should try Dusk, continue playing Mysterious after Sophie(which I liked more than Arland at least) or jump straight to Ryza.

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>>22745515
Ayesha is the only one with a real time limit but its super lenient and gives you way more than enough time. My first play through of it was with no guide and I had multiple months of free time to sleep just to pick an ending. Escha and Logy has a time limit but it may as well not exist since they give you so much free time. They even give you an entire year at the end of the game to clean up anything you missed along the way. Shallie doesn't have a time limit at all.

The only thing you may need a guide for with any of these games would be some basic tips / tricks and character events to trigger their endings. Nothing too serious honestly. Arland is the one with the big time managment, dusk is really lax and was already beginning to end the time limits.

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>>22745579
Huh, I see. Thank you.
So when people refer to ridiculous time limits in ps3-age Ateliers, they mostly mean Arland, I guess?

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>>22745667
Yeah, Rorona, Totori , and Meruru all have pretty tight time limits if you are just storming through them without a guide. I still recommend pulling up a character guide for each game though just to make sure you don't miss any events to get their endings. It's more so of a convenience thing since some of the triggers are really random.

Also Wilbell is the best girl.

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>>22727476

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>>22745698
I personally disagree, on my first playthrough without any sort of guide aiming for any ending I found that rorona and meruru give you a huge amount of extra time, and totori gives you a reasonable amount of time. But when playing with an event guide and going for 100% and true endings I definitely felt some crunch. So I would say that if you're just doing a blind casual playthrough or you're doing a NG+ 100% playthrough with some sort of event/ending guide you have more than enough time. It's only when you go for a NG 100% playthrough that the time limit really starts to get in the way. Or if you wanted to get 100% without any sort of guide, but that's mainly because some events are hard to trigger without knowing what exactly you need to do.

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>>22733332
>>22733191
Someone gave me Blue Reflection for my birthday last month. I recently beat it. I have to say, it was really a hidden gem. Sure the gameplay is not as deep as I'd like and the explorable world is tiny, but I still enjoyed it. Unfortunately this game did so poorly in sales that it is now out of print. So, no sequel, however much I want it.

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>>22746189
I like BR a lot but it's hard to say many good things about it. It would have been better as a VN honestly, there's so many pointless aspects of the game that just take away and add nothing. I just wish KT would give Gust more time to work on games.

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>>22746202
I loved the battle system so I'm happy with the route they went. I just wish the game were harder and the explorable areas a little bigger.

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>>22746603
The battle system itself was fine but they ruined combat entirely by making fighting pointless. You didn't get xp from any fights, only materials for a clunky crafting system that you never need to use. It was a super budget rushed game but I still enjoy it for its flaws.

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>>22745342
I really like Sophies OST too. Sophie is the first Atelier game that I really liked, after failing to get into Rorona
I particularly love that song that plays during talk scenes with Corneria

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How are the PS2 Ateliers?

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>>22746714
A few tweaks would have helped a lot. The gane definitely would have benefited from a typical exp/leveling system. They shouldn't have healed you in between fights, and healing items should have been primarily gained through crafting. I think changing those things would have made combat a lot more meaningful. As it was I still fought most enemies I came across just because I enjoyed it, but you're right that there wasn't much reason to do so.
There's a lot of potential in the game that a sequel could hopefully capitalize on. Then again I felt the same way about YnnK. While I didn't hate 2 it didn't really fix anything that needed fixing.

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>>22747258
They have some of the best turn based combat systems you'll ever play in a jrpg. Iris and Mana Khemia don't have time limits so you can take your time with them all. Iris 3 is the only "annoying" one since it gives you a timer in every dungeon zone but you can easily get to where you want to within the limit. There's no limit to how many times you enter a zone and it doesn't progress the story so it's not too bad, but its annoying if you just want to explore at your own pace.

Marie + Elie are the only other ps2 games that have a translation and they are the first 2 atelier games. They are much more like sims than actual jrpgs. They are a lot of fun if you are curious to see how Atelier started out. Each playthrough only takes a few hours and there's tons of replay value if you are going for the other endings. Just be sure to get a guide since its very heavy sim and doing certain things on specific dates / months is very important for getting certain endings.

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I'm trying to beat Unliving King in Sophie, but he does crazy damage and none of my status' ever work

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I got Atelier Ryza, one or my first Atelier games, this one and Atelier lulua ¿how good is Ryza?

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So many Ryza secondaries in this thread. Atelier is reclining

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The Filly/Tiffani bar scene in Totori isn't required for any endings, right? I forgot to visit the bar on the correct date for it.

>>22750165
It's been a while since I played Sophie but I don't remember that one. Was this a DLC boss?

>>22751607
>Atelier is reclining
Well it is a comfy series. But seriously, are they really secondaries if they are playing the games? I thought a secondary would be like a fan of the Escha anime that never played an Atelier game.

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>>22752371
That's the thing, they're not playing it. They saw some shitty "thicc" memes on social media, shitpost about it, play the game for about an hour and drop it when they realize you actually have to play the game, then immediately go back to shitposting about "thicc"
Ryza posters are secondaries, without a doubt.

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>>22752371
Ironically, only a true Atelier fan would even watch the anime in the first place.

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>>22752371
Atelier has been reclining since Mysterious. Lots of people claim the series died when they killed time limits. Shallie is personally my favorite in the series so I don't care too much about time limits but Mysterious was just a terrible trilogy with a steep decline in quality. I'm not too bothered by Ryza's design because her game has way bigger problems than all the idiots flooding and shitposting ryza THICCC memes everywhere.

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>>22752644
>>22752608
Ryza and Mysterious Trilogy are good games
Get your negative energy out of this thread!

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>>22752669
Ryza has some pretty terrible combat and literally every boss fight is the same experience. I'm not even talking about spamming stun items, its just how every single fight in the came operates. The entire system is so incredibly basic and utter trash compared to previous turn based combat systems Atelier was known for. They also made any kind of alchemy planning pointless since you can just grind gems and max out anything you want. Mysterious as a package is still a way better experience than Ryza but each game has some pretty serious flaws.

I liked the new direction in cutscenes and art in Ryza but the gameplay was just really bad for longtime Atelier fans. There's so many aspects of the game that just feel unfinished. Also the fact that the game had no multiple endings was pretty lame. Don't forget all the scummy overpriced DLC as well.

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Reminder that Dusk has the most characters in the top 10.

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>>22752644
>>22752694
Hard to take you seriously when you say Shallie is your favorite. It's by far the weakest Atelier in recent memory.

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>>22753242
I can understand why people would say that if they didn't care about Dusk. Shallie had really great world building and lore for Dusk and it actually showed you how desperate and the state of the world truly is in. The game put story and narrative in the front seat for Shallie and did some really great stuff for dusk. Of course you need to play Shallie plus for the full picture but there's no excuse to not play it now that Dusk DX will be out in a few days. But even if you didn't care about the story / setting it had amazing combat and some of the best boss fights the series ever had.

I'm just hoping we get a Dusk 4 to close some of the important plot points like Wilbell.

Actual shallie spoiler
The ending of Shallie was also very interesting because it basically just confirmed and doomed everybody that it's too late to save the planet.

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>>22751607
>secondaries
People who play Ryza literally aren't secondaries, and everyone who mentioned Ryza has played it or has started with her game you idiot
An actual secondary is someone who goes off about Ryzas character design without playing the game

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Sophie is starting to wear thin on me, should I move onto the next Mysterious game?

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>>22753903
If you cant finish Sophie then I doubt you will have much fun with the other 2.

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>>22753937
What one should I play? I didn't like Rorona and I'm waiting for Dusk DX

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>>22753756
Ryza brought in a lot of idiots that are only playing her game because her lewdness was memed hard on the internet. I'm happy more people are interested in the series but these kinds of people don't give a shit about gameplay and constantly praise the game despite never playing any other Atelier game. It's nice that Ryza sold well but I hope it wont cement more shitty game design choices in the series. Ryza is both a blessing and a curse to the franchise.

>>22753941
Dusk is easily the best trilogy at a gameplay perspective but what are you not enjoying in Sophie? Nearly every Atelier game follows the same gameplay loop.

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>>22753954
I was enjoying Sophie a lot at the start but I'm 20 hours in and it just hans't evolved. It also feels incredibly slow, with mechanics slowly being introduced. I'm also not a fan of the recipe idea system

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>>22753903
>>22753970
Sophie was the weakest of the trilogy IMO. I still enjoyed it quite a bit but the glacial pacing really hurt it. Firis gets a lot of shit but I loved it. It did a great job of capturing a sense of adventure. Lydie & Suelle is less exploration heavy than Firis but still feels a lot more focused than Sophie does.

>>22753954
>Dusk is easily the best trilogy at a gameplay perspective
I'm an Ayesha fanboy but let's not get carried away.

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>>22753970
Well Dusk games are the only ones with any kind of pressing plot to keep you invested outside of the core alchemy gameplay loop. The ps2 ones are pretty story heavy too but they play more like tradtional linear jrpgs.

If you already own Firis I say give it a try since it's quite different from Sophie since you have a few days to wait until Dusk DX. It's one of the most hated games in the series because of how tedious a lot of systems were made but it was gust getting really experimental trying to change up some core gameplay elements.

But if you are struggling to finish Sophie on basic mechanics then maybe the series isn't for you. Most of the games are pretty uneventful and gameplay is pretty stagnant until you hit the endgame where you can really start to go crazy with item creation. My only real complaints with Sophie were how terrible the combat system is and the recipe idea stuff was pretty stupid. Luckily the combat system never comes back but the idea system returns in different ways in other games.

>>22754017
I don't think there's really anything absurd with the claim, most people say that Ayesha was the peak of the series. If you are playing Atelier for the gameplay then dusk has the best systems and best to offer.

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>>22754032
>Well Dusk games are the only ones with any kind of pressing plot to keep you invested
Only Ayesha has a worthwhile plot. Escha & Logy's plot goes nowhere and Shallie does a poor job of wrapping things up, with many plot threads left hanging.
>gameplay
There's no ignoring the simplified alchemy in all three games and the awful implementation of time limits in Escha & Logy. The games are good overall but to say they are the best in gameplay of all things is just silly. If you want to argue Dusk has the best characters, art direction, music or atmosphere I'd be inclined to agree but several of the gameplay systems are a downgrade from what we had in Meruru (and later Rorona Plus).

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>>22752644
Lulua was fantastic though. It made me optimistic that Atelier would be getting great games again.

Naturally, that only increased the disappointment I felt after playing Ryza for a while. I hope the Lulua team gets to make an Arland 5, though with how commercially successful Ryza was I'm afraid Gust will be moving more in that direction...

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Are Totori and Meruru better than Rorona? I got annoyed at new game + in Rorona because it takes away all your levels, can't skip events etc

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>>22754327
If you are playing DX then Rorona is actually the "newest" one since its based on Rorona plus which is a remake of the original. Totori is a much more dated product and it really shows with how much more punishing the game is vs Rorona. Meruru is a lot more similar to Rorona though. Also I think every Atelire NG+ resets your levels but you can keep your equipped gear. Gear is more important than levels in Atelier anyway.

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AT-LEE-AR?
FUCKING AT-LEE-AR?

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>>22754460
アトリエ

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>>22753756
okay secondary.

[Anonymous No.]

Is Marie and Ellie worth playing?

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>>22754914
They are fun if you like more traditional sim games. They only take a few hours each to complete a run and there's tons of endings to go for.

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Is there a way to play Marie and Ellie translated without dicking around in emulator settings? Too lazy to set it up

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Ellie is cute!
>>22755325
Literally just download and select
https://cdromance.com/ps2-iso/atelier-marie-elie-salburg-no-renkinjutsushi-1-2-english-patched/

[Anonymous No.]

Is Halleschs' special actually called "Too annoying, no name" or is it the translators being lazy?

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>>22755370
thanks buddy

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a "free" heal somehow in Ellie?

[Anonymous No.]

Time to jump into Firis lads

[Anonymous No.]

I really like Firis so far

[Anonymous No.]

FIRIS HAS THE SAME ATELIER SONG
AAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.]

I had a lot of fun with Firis, I wish gust would have tried the formula again.

[Anonymous No.]

I heard Ciel Nosurge is an important part of the Ar Tonelico world, but it's not translated. Should I even get into AT if I can't get the full picture?

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>>22756250
Ciel Nosurge and Ar Nosurge are connected but only slightly. Both series are pretty independent and the inclusion of Ar Tonelico stuff in Ar Nosurge mostly comes off as fanservice despite it conflicting with actual canon.

I watched the translated youtube playthrough of Ciel which was pretty good. If you really want to get into the nosurge games it's worth just settling with the youtube since the actual translation is most likely years away still. It's also super important to get the full picture of Ciel before playing Ar Nosurge because the game expects you to know everything that happened in Ciel already. I had a lot of fun with the nosurge games but the Ar Tonelico games were way better in my opinion. I would still recommend playing AT 1-3 even if you don't want to watch the youtube translation to get into the Nosurge games since their connection doesn't mean much in the long run.

Just be aware that Ar Tonelico has TONS of world building in lore outside of the games. The series was really a labor of love with the amount of content that was produced alongside the games. Just playing the games are fine to get the full picture but it has a lot of supplementary reading if you want to get the bigger picture, especially for Ar Tonelico 3.

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>>22756296
Thanks anon, how much of ATs supplementary content is translated?

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>>22756377
Not a lot but the important stuff is mostly.

https://artonelico.fandom.com/wiki/ARM_Backup/Ar_tonelico

This wiki here has most of it.

[Anonymous No.]

We will never get a new Ar Tonelico game. I just want more Jakuri...

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>>22753144
How is Sophie so high? I thought I was the only one who loved her

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>>22761389
Her game was the first one that a lot of people played. A lot of mysterious characters are ranked highly because it was still the newest series and most likely the only games they've played. I'm sure if they do another poll Ryza would rank very highly as well. The poll doesn't mean much and it was mostly just a promo thing for their 20th anniversary event. The most surprising thing was that Wilbell was #6 despite being a side character for 3 games.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcSsLitEj2c
I will post this here since /eagg/ is dead

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>>22766839

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>>22753903
Sophie is trash, avoid at all cost.

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>>22753903
Sophie is the best you just have no taste

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>>22771223
I can't defend Sophie because it had terrible combat. Also the alchemy with the different cauldrons was stupid as heck. The game probably has the weakest cast in any Atelier game. The idea book sucked balls as the main progression system too.

[Anonymous No.]

Since when did this general come back? Kill it, Gust is dead. Ryza is an abomination and disgrace to the series. Everything Gust has been doing lately has been terrible.

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I enjoy the GBA and DS ones since they are short but still fun.

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>>22774916
>Everything Gust has been doing lately has been terrible.
Lulua was fantastic though.

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>>22775142
No it wasn't. Arland was a complete trilogy and they didn't need to shamelessly go back to it. Thats distasteful and it was far too large a gap since when they originally created them. Maybe the pure gameplay was okay but thats it and I once was a fan of this series for much more than that.

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>>22727476
>Gust thread
Oh wow, is it back now? Jan 2018 was the last time there is one. I enjoyed the AT lore discussions during those time.

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>>22775212
So basically, you dislike the game out of principle, regardless of how good the game actually is?

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Lulua was a pretty shameless nostalgia cash grab that barely stood on its own. They really baited people by making Rorona a "mom". They should have just went all the way and made somebody stupid enough to actually put it inside of Rorona.

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>>22776574
The best place to talk about AT lore is discord because these threads are still mostly dead. Firis killed Gust generals and people keep trying to necro them but it will never be the same.

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>>22779393
Maybe you should have your discussions here instead on discord and the threads wouldn't be as dead.

[Anonymous No.]

This tapestry is up for pre-order at the Gust shop.

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>>22779809
I wouldn't mind discussing lore here but it's so much easier on discord since there's already tons of really knowledgeable people there. The exa pico community is really dedicated and there's a lot of people that really know their stuff with the series.

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>>22780111
>discord
>uwu wead the rules, no meanie words, no racism, no sexism, no laughter, no smiles, no fun, do not argue with moderators, do not think differently, do not post anything sexual even in a dedicated 18+ chat

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>>22780295
I don't like discord but most server rules are pretty obvious, just don't be an obnoxious idiot shitposting offtopic shit. Theres really no reason to ever bring up racism or sexism when talking about gust games so keep your ass in /pol/ if you have to turn every facet of your life into politics. The reddit atelier discord can be pretty terrible at times though so just stay away from that place. For whatever reason they consider actual game cg nsfw and will delete posts of it. I've never used reddit and the people in there just reinforce why it's best to stay away from anything associated with that website.

the ARM forums along with their discord are the best places to actually discuss exa pico if you want to have constructive discussions about the series.

I'd be fine with joining the discussion in this thread but it's already a few days old and there hasn't been much traffic.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't like how gust went all in on the yuri train in recent years. Yeah there was always a bit of that element but it wasn't as pronounced in the past generations

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>>22780623
They really haven't though, their only real yuri games are the nights of azure series. You can debate Arland with Mimi x Totori but theres never any real romance. Mimi is just a typical tsundere and always considers herself her friend/rival to Totori. There's Sophie x Plachta as well but Plachta literally has more of a personal connection to Luard. Don't forget all the straight relationships in dusk either.

Also Blue Reflection baited the yuri fags, one of the first main stories of the game was listening to a girl complain about boy problems. There was also 0% of gay at all in Ryza, if anything there was a hint of romance between a boy and a girl without going into any spoilers.

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>>22778848
I don't care if the gameplay is good or not, a big part of why I like Atelier is for the characters as well. I'll admit it, I haven't played Lulua nor do I intend to. I was massively disappointed with both Firis and LS and then they come around and announce Nelke which looked like the most shameless pandering garbage they could come up with. Then when I thought it couldn't get worse, they announced that they were going back to whore Arland out and ruin everything with Lulua. I don't want modern day Gust touching Arland, they were different back then before the merge and I don't support this kind of thing at all. There's many things that are turning me off from it and I simply don't want to give them money for this and say it's okay to keep making Arland games. Maybe if Lulua was it's own game and not related to Arland then it'd be good but that's another story altogether. As of right now though, my opinion of Gust is at absolute rock bottom and I used to be one of the ones who'd defend them all the time.

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>>22780623
I like yuri and no, they haven't been going "all in on the yuri train" at all. You want to know my favorite Atelier pairings? Totomimi, Meruru/Kaena and Sophie/Plachta. That's its. How is that going "all in"? Why the fuck would you let the slightest, slightest bits of yuri subtext ever bother you? As someone who doesn't like yuri, it should be easy as fuck to ignore certain things as "oh, they're just good friends". But as a yuri fan, the slightest bits of hetero subtext is enough to easily destroy a pairing for me. It's not pronounced at all, trust me. I want it to be pronounced but its not. Go wack off to Ryza or some shit, I haven't played it but I heard there was no yuri in it and I'm not surprised though I think the game looks horrible either way. Oh and hey, they went and made Nelke straight as all fuck too. Escha/Logy and more Rorona and Sterk too. Yuri fans are always on the losing side, let me assure you of this. They even went and added that faggot event scene with Alto and Plachta in LS, despite knowing that they had SophiePlachta yuri fans beforehand. They probably added that shit for people like you, was that still not enough? Honestly, I'm not even letting that event kill the pairing for me, they're still just friends in my eyes. Just because they're not going all in hetero pairings and giving every girl a boyfriend/husband, doesn't mean they're going all in on yuri either.

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>>22780661
I had lost trust in Gust before Lulua as well (and with Ryza I've once again lost confidence that they can consistently make anything good anymore). But Lulua is an exception. It's genuinely good. You really should give it a try if you liked the Arland games.

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>>22780762
I'll start with this: I actually liked Sophie and it was the last good thing they've done in my opinion. It wasn't flawless, but it still felt like an Atelier game to me and had likeable characters. I didn't think the combat was bad either, it just took some getting used to but I actually like deciding all party member actions at once. I'll get shit for saying I liked Sophie, I always do but that's not the point of this post. From Firis and on, everything they've done has been a disaster to me. They've completely changed. The last game Okamura directed was Sophie but from Firis and on, it's all been that one guy from the KT merge and that one other guy too. It's hard to describe but the writing of the character events dropped a ton for me and they completely lost the charm they once had. Out of all the shit they've been doing since Firis, I will at least say that Lulua looks like the "least shit" thing. I still have my issues with it though. First off, I'm pissed they made Piana's tits as big as they did. Yes that's petty and no I don't care. I like loli/flatties, Lulula has zero loli/flat party members, and they went and took one of their old loli, aged her up, and gave her big fucking tits. As a loli fan, this happens all the time. Oppaifags always win, I always lose. That's how it is. They could've at least gave her somewhat smallish tits but nope, can't have that. I get it, she's older, but still. They also fucked up Kaena's voice. I've heard her old seiyuu isn't even in the industry anymore, but could they really not find anyone that could mimic her voice more closely? I know she's older and should sound different but she sounds like a completely different character. Also, you can't have a full female party. Petty, yes, but again, I don't care. I actually like Sterk a lot, I'm not even hating on male characters in Atelier. Regardless, I want a full female party and they don't even let me have that without of course the DLC. Which brings me to the next point: them jewing us over by making Totori and Meruru DLC. They know people want to play as them so they conveniently just make them DLC. Couldn't have a full female party in LS either without you guessed it, the DLC. I'm sorry, I know I'll get shit for this rant but a lot of small things add up and I just do not want to support Lulua at all. I'd play it if it was its own game and didn't have Arland characters in it.

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>>22780928
>Firis doesn't have charm
Idiot

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>>22727631
>>22733034
I remember reading a post claiming he had worked on some mobile game for a while, but it died due to poor monetization.

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>>22780928
all of your complaints are really petty and you dont even dislike the games over gameplay or story reasons.

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>>22781225
Again, don't care. Gameplay is only part of the equation for me when it comes to this series. Of course I enjoy the gameplay and care about it but that's not the only thing. The general story from what I gather seems okay but still not enough to outweigh my annoyances. I've already said that it might be okay if they didn't involve Arland in it. And while it seems petty, the little things really do add up. Everyone has their own preferences.

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>>22727476

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Atelier was always low budget shovelware. Mana Khemia was good, though.

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>>22785926
Mana Khemia is literally the same quality as the Iris games before it. It even used the same sprite format as Iris 3 and one character even had the same weapon as Edge. I like MK but it's not some golden egg, it's pretty standard for what Gust was doing back then.

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>>22781167
That is true. It was a very nice game however. Very Tsuchiya-like. And with the built-in anime, it already was of much higher production value than most of the mobile games out there. But I guess that is also part of the reason why they had to shut it down.

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>>22754243
I'm aroud 7-8 hours in, the gameplay is interesting but it got some huges problems story wise. Also I don't count anymore the number of time they pulled the "stomach grumbling" card and all the other overdone tropes like everyone bursting out of laughter on nothing. Arland and Mysterious weren't storytelling masterpieces but they're nowhere as heavy (well, I don't remember Mysterious very well)
I really appreciate how they reproduced most of Arland zones though.

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>>22781225
>all of your complaints are really petty

Not him, Most of them really are but certainly not the Totori/ Meruru DLC case, this was the most disgusting and jewish thing KT ever pulled out, this alone objectively is a viable reason to say that the studio is now trash-tier.

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>>22786400
It's more of a KT thing. Unfortunately they slap super expensive season passes on all their games now, it's not only Gust. Gust is just a victim in my eyes.

[Anonymous No.]

Can't spell "disgusting" without "gust"

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>>22780762
I liked every Atelier game, there are no bad ones for me.

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>>22785926
Ar tonelico was low budget shovelware

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>>22788547
Can't spell Soul without Gust

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>>22788561
Nope, they are high budget due all the music they have. Thats why GUST cant make one per year like Atelier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22788577
I remember when AT3 came out everyone said it sucked because Gust put all their money into the atelier series though?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22788577
Maybe if they put money into the gameplay instead of the music the games wouldn't be so shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>all these normalfags in my thread

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>>22788582
AT3 is still better than any Atelier, so no.

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>>22788602
Who are you quoting?

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>>22788642
>le funny normalfag meme

[Anonymous No.]

I might be the only one who prefers Ryza over Lulua or older Atelier.

Just don't have it in me for alchemy autism anymore.

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>>22788650
People just like to sperg over anything different. Once a few more generations gone by everyone will start citing Ryza as one of the last good ones and all the new ones are shit and the cycle will go on

[Anonymous No.]

Rank all the atelier protagonists from most sluttiest to least sluttiest.

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>>22788650
Finally an Atelier game for people who don't want to play video games.

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AT3 was "okay" at best. They never did manage to finish the combat system because bamco cut funding and told them to release what they had. AT was very close to becoming a relatively successful jrpg series with bamcos help but gust bombed hard.

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>>22788685
Ryza is bad though and mainly liked by filthy secondaries. You're right though, these faggots will take over, they already have seeing as how it sold insane for Gust.

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>>22788765
I want to protect Finnel

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>>22788767
Ryza is good though. Just look at those thighs.

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>>22788783

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>>22788765
>bamco cut funding
>this is gusts' fault

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>>22788868
well yeah if they showed better results the carpet wouldn't have been pulled from under them. it didn't help that the yearly atelier wasn't put on hold splitting manpower. AT3 is just a typical tale of an ambitious vision and a studio not being able to fulfill it. AT 1 and 2 were both games that lived with compromise and 3 tried to shoot for the moon with bamco money which was way outside of gusts ability.

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>>22788915
I want to bully Finnel

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>>22788783
you will catch these hands >>22788953

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Saki > Tyria >>>>> Finnel canonically poops

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>>22789025
you forgot the best girl

[Anonymous No.]

Luca is a bitch and a whore.

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>>22789135

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>>22788650
You're not the only one; most people seem to prefer Ryza. Just a bunch of the long-time fans hate it.

>Just don't have it in me for alchemy autism anymore.
And I think this is the main reason. Ryza no longer requires you to think during alchemy or battle. The lack of viable strategies outside of 'spam whatever does most damage' already frustrated me, but when the game introduced 'item rebuild' it felt like it shat over all of my progress thus far. Now you can make anything without thinking by just adding more materials! It's the complete opposite of Lulua, where you're constantly struggling with being one Fire pip short or really wanting that awakening effect but being unable to compensate for the elemental affinity of its material, and where combat is a puzzle to keep everything stunned for as long as possible without further damaging before they get their turn, while at the same time trying to deal as much damage as possible.

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>>22759701
I still haven't played AT3 because no emulator. I've heard that it's chockful of fanservice unofrtunately. But I'm loving the AT3 hymmnos on youtube.
Have they officially abandoned the series?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22791840

Maybe we should pester them for some sort of Ar Tonelico HD Trilogy or something.

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>>22791840
Every AT game had tons of fanservice. Ar Tonelico is currently stuck in IP hell which is why there hasnt been a new AT game in years. Gust can't do another AT game without Bamcos permission, which is why they did the nosurge games instead. Bamco doesn't seem too against the idea of more AT since Gust had to ask for permission to include a certain AT character into Ar Nosurge. The Nosurge games are basically just a spiritual successor to AT and even have direct connections to series. They are fun if you wanted some more AT.

Honestly I think the biggest thing holding back a new AT game is KT with how they are slave driving Gust.

[Anonymous No.]

Between Dusk trilogy, Arland trilogy and Ryza, which are considered generally the best anyway? I have seen quite some people look back at Dusk with fondness at least though Ryza is very popular(fanservice not withstanding)

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>>22792069
Dusk if you want gameplay and story
Arland if you want boring slice of life with no direction and with the most fanservice out of any other series.

Ryza doesn't even have that much fanservice at all in the game. The character designs are lewd as heck but its not like they even get any lewd event cgs in the game. Also Ryza is a decent Atelier even if you take out all terrible female designs. The major things that bugged me about Ryza was item rebuild and gems, the slow as heck and non existent story, and the super shallow combat that is just a massive downgrade. If you just ignore all the secondary coomers hyping this game you will see that it's pretty decent on its own but not one of the best Atelier games. It's the most beginner friendly so if you are new into the series it's not a bad place to start. The mysterious games are very beginner friendly too but it's also considered to be the worst trilogy by most fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22792112
Thanks, maybe I'll try picking up Dusk when possible. I did try Sophie out of Mysterious but it did not pull me in very, very hard

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>>22790098
Did any of the games actually require you to think about your alchemy that much though? You COULD, and you could make some badass shit, but invariably it just made the game super easy as if it wasn't really designed around it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22792273
Auto use elixirs are still the best thing you could ever create in any Atelier game.

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>>22792069
From what I've heard, Rorona, Meruru and Ayesha seem to be the most popular games (as in, you tend to get those three results if you ask for the best Atelier game). Ryza's reception is hard to gauge due to all the newcomers being enthusiastic about it (the 'Katawa Shoujo is my favorite VN' effect). The Arland trilogy seems universally liked, Ayesha seems universally loved (Arland fans also seem to agree Ayesha is among the best Ateliers), Escha & Logy and Shallie had mixed reception, Sophie is newbie-friendly but considered boring by long-time fans, Firis had VERY mixed reception (ranging from people hating it to people loving it) and Lydie & Suelle had better reception than Sophie but is usually considered just okay. Lulua doesn't get talked about much (especially after Ryza) so I'm not sure what general opinion on it is.

>>22792273
>You COULD, and you could make some badass shit
Ryza doesn't even let you do that anymore. (Anything you could craft by clever design can also just be crafted by adding more items.)

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>>22792273
I loved how the Mysterious trilogy's system could turn into a mini puzzle game

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>>22792430
Alchemy in Mysterious was actually the most complex it has ever been despite mysterious dumbing down the series so much. The alchemy was fun but way too time consuming with the amount of options it had.

[Anonymous No.]

Ryza is objectively the best atelier game

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>>22792655
The objectively best one is you're favourite

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>>22793801
I like Atelier Sophie and fuck the haters

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>>22788697
Rorona is the sluttiest by FAR

[Anonymous No.]

Are the atelier iris games worth playing or are they dated and shitty by today's standards?

[Anonymous No.]

I think Mana Khemia is unironically the best thing Gust has done

[Anonymous No.]

is death's end re;quest worth playing

[Anonymous No.]

Never played any Atelier game before, is https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/13066/Atelier_Dusk_Trilogy_Deluxe_Pack_____DX/ a good place to start?

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>>22793980
The Iris games are pretty typical jrpgs. They play more like linear jrpgs and aren't very "atelier" like. 3 is the only one that is pretty weird with the zone time limits but it's still a fun game.

>>22794397
It's not a Gust game but it's probably the best game compile heart has done since nep vii. If you like murder mystery vns its pretty fun.

>>22794503
The dusk games are great. You could start with the Mysterious trilogy or Ryza as well if you wanted to play one of the newer ones. Those are a lot easier to pick up and learn for newer players in my opinion but Dusk holds up to still have the best gameplay and systems.

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Ahhh, Dusk trilogy on sale on steam
I've only played Ayesha and Echa&Logy but I'm not too sure about buying them again
Atelier is one of those series that never low their prices and rarely goes on sale right?

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What if the atelier games were eroge?

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>>22795599
Dusk DX just got released so I think a lot of platforms are having Atelier sales. I know that steam is having one. They don't go on sale too often but Ryza was a really big success so I think they will start to put them out some more.

>>22795764
It got really close with Nelke.

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>>22791840
Why do people dislike fanservice?

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>>22795864
Because they're a bunch of limp-dicked faggots that's why

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>>22795864
I don't dislike fanservice. I liked AT1 and AT2. But sometimes there's just too much of it. As I said I've never played AT3 and I only looked at very few videos to avoid spoiler for when the time finally comes. But I do not know why reyvateils suddenly lose clothing during singing. Maybe there's a reason behind it in the game I am not aware of just yet.

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>>22796178
>Maybe there's a reason behind it in the game
There actually is. They are able to improve the communication and harmonize with the planet this way. And the planet theme is pretty important in AT3.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22779393
>>22780111
Then stay on discord. Shoo. As for us, we want a gust thread on /jp/ without having to use a garbage chat application.

[Anonymous No.]

Atelier Sophie is the best Atelier game. And it's not even that good. That's how bad Atelier games are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22798609
I'll discuss the lore anywhere, but as you can see its dead in this thread aside from people asking about Atelier.

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>>22795764
You'd get Kamidori Alchemy Meister.

https://vndb.org/v5652

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>>22795764
>>22799777
there are a bunch of atelier eroge on dlsite
one even got c&d for being too much of a ripoff

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>>22798641
If you don't think they're good why did you play them all? That's an awfully lot of time to spend on a series you don't even enjoy.

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>>22737787
>Complete, 100% saves for AT1 and 2 for Aurica\Shurelia and Cloche\Mir\Cocona Paths.
>and Cloche\Mir\Cocona Paths.
>Cloche\Mir\Cocona

Fucking

SAVAGE

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>>22788765
Eugh. I liked a lot about AT3, but the characters and combat system were not part of that.

Ec Tisia will probably remain my favorite AT song ever, though

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>>22789025
Saki had brain damage. I mean I get the naive cute thing but it honestly got uncomfortable.

Sakiya Runmei was fine at least and deserved to be the dominant personality.

[Anonymous No.]

Let's settle this once and for all.

https://www.strawpoll.me/19251404

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>>22800208
I usually don't care too much for lolis but Jakuri's sass was top notch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22799862
It's not like I have anything better to do

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>>22800111
For me it's Chronicle Key and Hymmeli.

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>>22803958
I liked Hymmeli more when I saw the cutscene and laughed hysterically as I realized that the third tower was designed to be a gigantic gun

Chronicle Key, while no longer one of my favorite songs, is the first Ar Tonelico song I ever heard and finally made me realized at 17 that there was actually music I liked. I mean that too, I'd gone my entire life prior to that point thinking that "Oh I just don't like music"

Shame it turned out that what I like is Japanese hipster music that's in extremely short supply, but oh well.
https://youtu.be/2_tpBXnWwoY

[Anonymous No.]

No Atelier Lilie translation after all these years? Judie? Viorate? Well that's a disappointment, but I recently got to play Marie and Ellie.

[Anonymous No.]

Favorite AT/Surge song?

Here's the catch, it can't appear on the Hymmnos Concerts, Genometrics Concerts, Ar=Ciel Ar=Dor, or Krut Hymnth

https://youtu.be/I9GrZC2av9g

The first half not so much, but the second half is probably one of the most beautiful sequences I've ever heard.

Shares that with Ra Ciel Fuser actually. I wish the cutscene they made for that song had used the entire song rather than stopping before the actual climax. Considering it was that last song in Ciel Nosurge it was a weird choice to end it where they did.

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>>22807036
There's too many to list, nearly every track in both Nosurge games is amazing. I can remember so many great moments in these games just by hearing the music again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-CD6nksV7M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuWNnb28BR0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUnYmxbsurI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-QWEUFqFpE

I'll just stop because I can go on forever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22806736
The Chronicle Key was also my first hymmnos. It was actually how I found out about the series and what made me want to play it. Funnily enough, despite it being AT1 song I started with AT2 first.

[Anonymous No.]

>In Atelier Lulua, Meruru got the same skill's move as sterk in atelier Rorona.

That's the sort of little things I like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22792112
Most fans are idiots then.

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>>22807520
I feel like Mir's appearance loses impact if you didn't play AT1 first.

[Anonymous No.]

2020 Blue Reflection 2 announcement. The time is now. Mel Kishida probably has everything ready to go. Put some of that Ryza money to good use.

also: fuck Nights of Azure 2

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>>22813627
It may very well be so. But there was a lot of referencing to events in AT1 so by the end of AT2 I pretty much got the basic picture. I dare to say that it really doesn't matter in which order you play those two games. You will get two good, although different, experiences.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22816576
It's literally a mistake if you play the second one first since you miss out on tons of references and lore. It's even worse if you play 3 without any of the others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22817455
Then you replay the AT2 again and you get all the references. You haven't played the games just once, have you?

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>>22817703
That sounds like a big waste of time. If you just play them in order you wouldn't have to go back and replay them just to understand the story. Playing them in order is the intended way to experience the games.

The only reason to replay these games is if you wanted to go the other girls route if you haven't already, but its all very small and quite insignificant. You would be better off just watching the few extra scenes on youtube instead of putting another 30 hours into the game again. It's not like any of the AT games had good gameplay and once you already know the story it just comes down to how fast you can skip the text to the next scene.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22817752
You're right. I couldn't find active AT1 torrent at the time, only AT2 so wrong order it was. I liked AT2 enough to play it once again after AT1 so in the end I'm not missing on anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22817803
You should read the novels if you want to get more AT. They are basically sequels of each game and are pretty enjoyable if you enjoyed the characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22817856
Thanks I will do that. I presume everything is in the link >>22757860

[Anonymous No.]

I finished the true ending for Totori a few months ago and wish I hadn't. What an asspull, it's like clannad all over again.

Still, it was a great time and had a wonderful cast of characters. Out of the other two games in the trilogy, which would you reccomend first? I liked Rorona a lot and would love to see more antics with her and sterk, I haven't heard much about Meruru.

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>>22817997
There's also the flash cosmospheres if you can find a working link for them somewhere.

>>22818009
I liked Meruru the most out of Arland because it had a city building thing to go along with the main story. The game actually kept you involved with a story and focus the entire time when playing the game. I didn't like Rorona at all really but people seem to really like dumb autistic girls for some reason. It's better if you play them in order though since its all chronological order.

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>>22818009
It would feel slightly less of an asspull if you read Rorona first and got introduced to Astrid, though I still dislike how Totori's mom returning had zero to do with anything Totori did. Like, what was even the point of the whole thing then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22818925
Arland has the weakest plots. Even Marie had better writing than anything in Arland.

[Anonymous No.]

Gust has never made a good game, they are on the same league as Compile Heart

[Anonymous No.]

>>22818009
Rorona got a nice cast of characters but is really cadenced by the time limit. Meruru is one of the weakest Atelier I played when it come to characters but I really loved all the kingdom's building part.
Well do Rorona first, I don't understand why you started with the second game of a trilogy though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22755407

That's the actual name of the attack

[Anonymous No.]

>>22800122

Read the novels and setting book and you'll see why that was not possible

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>>22818067
http://exapico.freetzi.com/

[Anonymous No.]

>>22807036
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B2pvvuijA0
I really love the music box version as well.

[Anonymous No.]

RAKI AKI AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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>>22830861
Worldbuilding doesn't keep them from swapping personalities at the game planning stages, though

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>>22833002

It's not worldbuilding, but character development and handling. How about you bother actually reading the stuff mentioned previously before jumping to conclusions?

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>>22837449
You ask me to read, and yet you ignore the phrase "at the game planning stages"

Either that or you treat the game we got as some sort of inevitability and a simple personality change would have preemptively "broken" something

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>>22839481

Because it would have broken something: the way Wills interact with their vessels, the reason for Gammas to exist, among other things. But you seem unable to understand how badly that and its ramifications would have affected the game, all because of thinking Sakia would have been better than Saki as a character

[Anonymous No.]

Finally got around to finishing Lydie & Sue, got the true ending too. I am very happy to have played this trilogy... it was nice seeing all the characters develop this way. I’m sad to see that it’s over, but happy that it happened, haha.... that kind of thing I guess
My only complaint is that I wish the trilogy had a never ending slice of life anime or something so I could keep enjoying the characters. I guess I could draw some fan art or something to get over it. I understand this wasn’t a popular trilogy with a lot of Atelier fans, but for me personally, a lot of different things moved me. I think I will definitely draw some fan art to at least satiate this sense of longing I have for “more” of the characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22823105
I think that the devs at Gust should be credited for doing what they can with a B-budget and cheapo engine, plus the corporate mandate to release a new title every year. The games still feel like they have soul, to the right kind of person. Not that there’s anything wrong with you if you don’t think so, it just takes a certain person to resonate with it.
Not so with Compile Heart games, which just feel cheap with no payoff or anything to genuinely love about them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22840478
draw firis

[Anonymous No.]

>>22840492
>>22823105
Why you guys gotta hate? Why can't you just let people enjoy what they enjoy? Both Atelier (Lulua and Totori) and Neptunia (Re;Birth3) are among my favorite JRPGs of all time. You don't need to look down on another series to be able to enjoy the one you do enjoy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22840870
I always compared being a gust / compile heart fan to those that enjoy cheesy B scifi or horror films. You have fun with them knowingly they are budget and mostly mediocre. I have more fun with budget jrpgs than most AAA games these days. Western AAA videogames are just so tiresome.

Although I would still say that Gust games ranks a bit higher in terms of quality compared to Compile Heart despite being rushed out more often. Gust has big KT money to help them out while Compile Heart is significantly smaller in scale.

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>>22830817
wtf

[Anonymous No.]

>>22851428
The original name of the skill is 面倒くさくて名前がない, so it's just that Hallesch was too lazy to come up with an actual name for it.

[Anonymous No.]

Looking at Escha and Logy. Is there a big difference between DX and original, or can I just get the original?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22853086
DX is the same as plus which included all the dlc. I think it also had a new ending but for the most part you won't be missing much.

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>>22791840
The problem isn't the fanservice, the problem is that the game is dogshit. The fanservice just happens to be one more stupid thing on top of the rest. "Oh, but they connect with the planet by removing layers of clothing" then why not just walk around naked you dumb fuckers? Throw shame to the winds entirely and hump a tree for your combat boosts. I will never not be mad at how disappointing that game was.

[Anonymous No.]

It feels weird not having a new (officially announced) Atelier to look forward to. I spent so many years playing catch-up that now that I finished everything I feel empty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22727476
Reminder that Ryza a shit and Hosoi a lying motherfucker

>あともう1つは、ライザというキャラクターをみなさまに受け入れてもらえたので、それが拍車になって企業様、ユーザーさんからオーディエンスをいただきました。だからこのような形になっているのかなと思います。ただ、先ほども言いましたが『ネルケと伝説の錬金術士たち』も『ルルアのアトリエ』に関しても、PR面でまったく手を抜いていません。そこだけは誤解していただきたくないです。

[Anonymous No.]

>>22745579
>>22745698
Wanted to say that I finished Ayesha recently with an almost blind playthrough. Only looked up a few missable events and story points I got stuck on. And I still had like 6 month of postgame. So thanks again, anon.

I liked the lore and the setting. Definitely one of my favorites in Atelier series now.
The game has a lot of these little details which make it great. Like every character having a different bgm when they perform a super move. Or that your party members are always present inside dungeons and can give you a unique dialogue about every location. Not to mention the locations themselves are beautiful.
I'm honestly surprised they didn't keep at least some of these features in Sophie. They even downgraded the dungeons and fields in terms of visuals.
Anyway I hope I'll enjoy the second and the third Dusk games as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22859583
One of my favorite little things was the voiced intros the first time you entered an area.

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>>22858180

They wouldn't do that unless it was a literal life or death scenario. And while the combat was trash, that doesn't negate the highs the game had about its setting, story, songs and supporting cast, as well as some of the party members

[Anonymous No.]

>>22775212
> Arland was a complete trilogy and they didn't need to shamelessly go back to it.
They went back because the fans wanted it, you dumb fuck.
If only the game wasn't halfassed and thrown under the bus in favor of the coombait though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22859766
I was more just pointing at how dumb the idea is in the first place. And while the game has some high points, all of the lows in the setting, story, songs and cast negate them pretty well ignoring the gameplay entirely. Better to watch the couple good bits on youtube and pretend the rest was an unfortunate accident.

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The only thing I like about Lulua was that it expanded a bit on the ruins and lore of arland. Of course they half ass it and none of it actually matters. The game honestly shouldn't have been made but I think gust was still struggling on what to do with the series after Mysterious. Dusk 4 would have been way better since that series actually has tons of unresolved plots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22792112
Garbage opinions/10

[Anonymous No.]

I always loved how divisive the Atelier fanbase is. The games are feel happy type games and there's always fans at each others throats because of OPINIONS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22860469
As if the setting and songs had any negative points. Besides

>all of the lows in the setting, story, songs and cast negate them pretty well ignoring the gameplay entirely

This is idiotic, as first, the game was the one in the trilogy that integrated the setting data the best into the character development and story, not only due to explaining stuff that in the other games was relegated to side-material (eg. the SH Servers, the Cosmosphere structure, the way HYMMEs actually work), but also due to actually depicting stuff properly like the fact that every single Reyvateil has their own type of song and music genres and that not everything has to sound like Shikata's and Shimotsuki's music. Also, watch the "couple good bits in YouTube", seeing how context-dependent these games are to make sense? This is just your dislike getting in the way of actually judging the game and its place in the series on its own merits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22860802
It's especially retarded because there's not a huge difference in quality amongst the games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22860954
If you can't think of a single thing that wasn't perfect about the setting or songs, you've got your own issues in the way of giving it a fair assessment.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72uoQT4cufY

I think this song alone just shows how stupid as hell 3 was. Saki was one of the worst things to happen to Ar Tonelico.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22862094

Counterbalanced by Arphage and Sands of Time which are also sung by Saki. And as if Pepen's Song didn't exist in AT2 to give it a precedent, or the song wasn't made as a deliberate troll on Shikata and Tsuchiya's part.

>>22861715

All the games have flaws in their story and setting, so focusing on 3 only for that is mere nitpicking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22862094
At least everyone around her was disgusted by it.

>>22865485
>a deliberate troll on Shikata and Tsuchiya's part.
Is this confirmed?

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>>22866168

Go read the interviews he gave in the AT3 setting encyclopedia, in the Garden of Goddesses artbook, and also the Hymmnos section of the aforementioned encyclopedia. At this point there is no doubt about that being the case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22865485
Really not nitpicking when it's noticeably worse than the other entries to the series.
>As if the setting and songs had any negative points
Nice backpedaling by the way.

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>>22867559

>Really not nitpicking when it's noticeably worse than the other entries to the series.

Then bring some examples to the table of how it does worse than AT1 and AT2 in the setting and story department.

I can at least say that AT1 is the game with the worst writing in the trilogy (zero character development for Shurelia and Misha, and Misha's latter cosmosphere being pretty much a blatant copy-paste job of Aurica's) and the one with that had the worst integration with its setting: see, multiple people Diving into a single Reyvateil at the end of Phase 1, a Beta Diving into a Third Generation, the illustration showing Mir's imprisonment not matching the way she's actually imprisoned (and denounced as such by Tsuchiya himself to boot), and the fact that the supposedly intangible song magic constructs are used at one point for Lyner to save himself from a lethal fall. I'd also add the scene between Lyner and Misha right before Re-Nation is sung as a clear display of poor writing.

And while AT2 is the one with the best story, that doesn't mean it has no low points, like for example the slog that is Deathlandia, or its shared fault with Ar nosurge of the synthesis events being endless and poorly paced.

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>>22867756
Whoa, what? You thought Deathlandia was a slog? My first run through that with Cloche was what brought me around on her character. It's a great bonding experience after making you say out loud that you want to spend more time with whoever you actually preferred, one of many reasons AT2 was so outstanding.
On the writing, AT1 was the least consistent, yeah, there are reasons we had functional retcons in the later titles. It still earned more goodwill than AT3 did by just not being so bloody stupid. I'm assuming you're the same guy who's pointed to that one song being an intentional troll in earlier threads. It didn't really feel like a troll in-game though. It fit right in, that's why I dislike it. The whole game feels like that. It's like watching something you love dying before your eyes, and right as it looks like it might gasp out something respectable, it shits itself again. The entire game was disappointing in that way. By the time we got to Ec Tisia, forgiving everything wasn't possible. Did we really have to deal with Fennel's literal shit twice?
I don't actually think the plot itself is worse than AT1's, and it's definitely more solid under a microscope. It's everything on top of the plot in AT3 that makes the game so hard to bear. If it wanted to play around with player expectations through things like that one fucking song, it didn't earn it. Something equally stupid would be AT1's softcore porn reading, but that was built up for a while and more or less capped off the overwhelmingly sexual nature of poisoning your girlfriend with crystal dicks. It was ridiculous, but it worked. The same can't be said for AT3.

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>>22868018

First, you can't distinguish Deathlandia from the Infelsphere.
Second, AT1 had more than a few moments of blatant stupidity: Lyner thinking he can kill intangible wolves with just his sword, him going alone to talk with the obviously suspicious Bourd, him rushing into a bunch of soldiers just because of them joking around about the Reyvateils, Radolf, him and Ayatane going along with Bishop Falss' plans and his lies until he pulls the rug under their feet and tries to get them killed, and him saying aloud that he wasn't surprised about Misha's real self in her route because he already saw her in her Cosmosphere, when it was already established that talking about Cosmosphere happenings in the real world is possibly the greatest social faux-pas in Ar Ciel.

>I'm assuming you're the same guy who's pointed to that one song being an intentional troll in earlier threads. It didn't really feel like a troll in-game though. It fit right in, that's why I dislike it.

The game was going for the player to expect a Replekia or Purger-style song at that point, and we got what we got. Too bad that it flew right past you.

>he whole game feels like that. It's like watching something you love dying before your eyes, and right as it looks like it might gasp out something respectable, it shits itself again. The entire game was disappointing in that way.

I'll give you the first half of the game is mediocre due to consisting mostly of overused anime tropes, the only notable points being Cocona's debut and Mute switching sides, but the second half we got stuff like Finnel's attempt at a sacrifice, the whole business with the Rinkernator and Tyria, all of the scenes in Moocheriel, conspiration plots between Clustania and Archia spanning centuries that can easily rival the power struggles in Metafalss and Infel's plans, and how it all ties back into the regeneration of planet, with all and callbacks to the previous two games.

So I'm afraid I don't understand how you came to that conclusion that the game screws up whenever it tries to do something respectable. And the only examples you could bring up were EP Nova, which you failed to understand, and a single point in Finnel's Cosmosphere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22868309
>you can't distinguish Deathlandia from the Infelsphere.
What point are you trying to make here?
>Lyner
Lyner is an idiot. It's a good chunk of his character, and it ends up creating the most interesting character arc in AT1 during Aurica's route. The problem in AT3 is that the game is idiotic, which is very different.
>we got what we got
What made you think I didn't understand what it was going for? I got it, I said that I recognized what it was doing, we've all heard what the devs intended, but that doesn't mean it was actually good.

Callbacks and a spectacularly useless conspiracy background plot don't actually make the game good. Tyria's alright, but she exists in a pile of garbage. Did you think the background plots somehow helped the game drag itself out of its hole? There's a reason so much information was relegated to extra materials in the other games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22865485
>Counterbalanced by Arphage and Sands of Time which are also sung by Saki.
Amongst the best songs in the entire series. As expected of best girl Saki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22868462
>What point are you trying to make here?
That Deathlandia is a thing: the minigames and the constant back and forth between the areas and the inn, and the Infelsphere is another, and the first one is a slog to go through.

>Lyner is an idiot. It's a good chunk of his character, and it ends up creating the most interesting character arc in AT1 during Aurica's route. The problem in AT3 is that the game is idiotic, which is very different.

Not really. What Lyner does is cause more problems than it solves with his idiocy. And I fail to see how AT3 as a whole is idiotic without making the other games be the same way.

>Callbacks and a spectacularly useless conspiracy background plot don't actually make the game good. Tyria's alright, but she exists in a pile of garbage. Did you think the background plots somehow helped the game drag itself out of its hole? There's a reason so much information was relegated to extra materials in the other games.

Actually, they do, as they give depth to the plot. I guess you'd say the same thing about the elements I mentioned from AT2 too, or the whole shtick with Falss, Bourd and Mir and AT1. And no: the reason why so much information was relegated to other materials was due to the team not finding a good way to convey them in-game, if the scrapped stuff for AT2 and the things Tsuchiya and co. have stated in interviews is any indication.

And finally, you keep calling the game a pile of garbage but you fail to bring up any actual examples to make your point, so I can only assume you're only talking out of your ass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22868478
Arphage, yes

Sands of Time? Ehhhhh

Saki benefited from Akiko Shikata more than her actual character

[Anonymous No.]

>>22868691
>Sands of Time? Ehhhhh

As if the song wasn't good or wasn't complex musically speaking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22869077
I mean, yeah

Somewhere there may exist a world where Shikata was allowed to sing like a woman instead of a child and I bet that version is a lot better