/tmg/ - Type-Moon General

[Anonymous No.]

This thread is for the discussion of any and all works by by Kinoko Nasu / TYPE-MOON.

Download Links:
>A collection of all official Japanese versions of TYPE-MOON PC Games (work in progress)
https://mega.nz/#F!BA4yHYoT!NwGVKj4q9Z1vnpKlYY-4UQ

>Kara no Kyoukai
novels: https://emptyboundaries.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/kara-no-kyokai-translations-2/
movies: https://nyaa.si/view/1152431

>Tsukihime
Tsukihime - Blue Blue Glass Moon, Under The Crimson Air.
https://mega.nz/#!6TBSSTbR!4O6JYv1dyyRw7GQeHJ4NIUYUTQ--tuy9H8s69HgL5lY
Tsukihime PLUS+DISC - Alliance of Illusionary Eyes
https://nyaa.si/view/453758
Tsukihime Kagetsu Tohya - Twilight Grass Moon, Fairy Tale Princess.
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2502321
Tsukihime Manga
https://mega.nz/#F!dRwwAZrT!uxmDDlwDTu3bgo9QIKgSrQ

>Melty Blood
Melty Blood PC games (Original + ReACT + Act Cadenza + Actress Again Current Code)
https://nyaa.si/view/1042489
MBAACC - Community Edition
https://mega.nz/#!6FUx2C6a!L2AxbiQzPHtgRI3YPHv4NZfi2EYS9RMeNHoSp6pAcFw
Melty Blood Manga (divided into two parts: the first part, spanning volumes 1-6, follows the original Melty Blood storyline. "2nd ACT" spans volumes 7-9. Melty Blood X is based on the Melty Blood Drama CD -Rojiura Pyramid Night-)
https://mega.nz/#F!syICRSJI!TeAS9ZVFSDQigguqxn_MwA
Melty Blood Manga - Back Alley Alliance Nightmare
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16jgRv-WneCDBF324U_MFsuguPFTt2J0S

>Fate/series
Fate/stay night [Réalta Nua]
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2386805
Fate/hollow ataraxia
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2575055
Fate/Zero novels
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B-5XtCxJULf4YWZfSkZKWGc2S2M
Lord El-Melloi II's Case Files novels
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B13rmXgOUD7NdUV2NDR2bWo1clU
Fate/Strange Fake Light Novel
http://humbertozero.tumblr.com/post/150696689780/how-to-read-fatestrange-fake-light-novel-read

>Mahoutsukai no Yoru (魔法使いの夜)
English Translation Patch (Chapter 1–7): https://mega.nz/#F!loBEBJDB!LMlgzDXX_ZnnRtnKFbXhQQ
French Translation Patch: https://github.com/IDerr/mahoyo-french

Novels/Manga:
>Angel Voice (anthology containing two separate angel themed stories: Notes by Nasu and Clockwick Canaan-Veil by Takeuchi.)
http://www.mediafire.com/file/4w9jk2bwy8b0xsh/Angel_Notes.zip
>Fate/Apocrypha
https://fateapocryphathetranslation.wordpress.com/volume-1/pdf-and-epub-version-2/
>Fate/Prototype: Fragments of Sky Silver
http://www.mediafire.com/file/myvc2c0ydv2lqhq/Fate%25EF%25BC%258FPrototype_Fragments_of_Sky_Silver_Vol_1.pdf/file
>Fire Girl
https://firegirlthetranslation.wordpress.com/
>Today's Menu for the Emiya Family
vol. 1: https://mega.nz/#!qlczzYiI!bnZsuBiMRVCKmugwizlIGc-0Bm1rXUXk_locMF7ogIU
vol. 2: https://mega.nz/#!T0UD0SBQ!yL4vw1j91cXFyFfVsUbyeRuJb4vTCesOhQqo9mmFtlA
>Tsuki no Sango - Coral of the Moon
https://www.mediafire.com/?uq1eqhccbxhxktx

Helpful TYPE-MOON-related links:
>Beast's Lair forum
forums.nrvnqsr.com
>Encyclopedia of Type Moon
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B49crU71miHObWRvV2tDUllYTjQ/edit?usp=sharing
>Fate/Complete Material II: Character Material
https://pastebin.com/Zjy1Sj6d
>Fate/stay night [Unlimited Blade Works] Deluxe Booklet
part 1: https://anidb.net/forum/thread/56958
part 2: https://imgur.com/a/zzgtH
>Fate/stay night [Heaven's Feel] Animation Material (Deluxe booklet featuring staff interviews)
https://imgur.com/a/yhv4ZNd
>Fate Franchise Loseless Soundtracks
https://mega.nz/#F!OQwx1DYA!1c0Dkm1VfOPpthg6etuU4g
>Fuyuki Rebuild
http://tatari.co.nf/fuyuki/index.htm
>mirrormoon
http://mirrormoon.org/
>TMdict, a light-weight, multi-lingual TYPE-MOON glossary
tmdict.com/
>Tsuki-kan, a small fansite containing bits and pieces of information on all things TYPE-MOON
tsukikan.com/
>Tsukihime doujins from 2008
https://mega.nz/#!fHgSVb5L!EPDHKU2KHLdjW1bM2b0-VV7WzrA9xPqrLnJTu0AkwyY
>Tsukihime Music Collection
https://nyaa.si/view/1090729
>Type-Moon Mega folders
https://mega.nz/#F!tBRTDDLT!6-uk9SmrvHKLFYU_3QTwgQ
https://mega.nz/#F!IEgnySDK!wvEo43UGmHFEKC1JBVykGw

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[Anonymous No.]

riesbyfe is very cute

[Anonymous No.]

>>22331004
> cute autistic ski-kraut lesbian
Anon, how did you know my mood?

[Anonymous No.]

Reines-chan!

[Anonymous No.]

>>22331004
>>22331032
>>22331066
The good shielder.

[Anonymous No.]

I want to FUCK touko

[Anonymous No.]

I heart Sion

[Anonymous No.]

I just finished Tsukihime and I loved it, specially the Far Side storyline. Should I start with Kagetsu Tohya?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22331004
meh op

[Anonymous No.]

>>22331943
Yes. Kagetsu Tohya is not only funny as fuck but has side stories that add to the lore somewhat. It's still a fandisc, after all. Personally, I got through it without a flowchart and was able to do everything (a lot of ctrl skipping), but most people recommend to use the flowchart. Good luck my man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22332151
>Personally, I got through it without a flowchart
Are you a wizard?

[Anonymous No.]

from the latest FGO radio (Nobunaga as the guest)
-he said he wanted to see Zel vs CM animated
-he wants Tsuki remake and Tsuki 2 and fandisk

he represents all Tsuki fans and made direct request to Kinoko (lol the whole FGO Part 2 getting animated and now this, just in one month Nobu has made two direct requests to Nasu)

[Fate No.]

Loved this scene

[Anonymous No.]

>>22333242
Interesting.
Good that people still exist to ask for that.
He's still a huge faggot though for helping FGO spread so much and being one of its public faces.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7th highest
>That isn't particularly impressive when the majority of VN releases are shovelware and there's only a handful of high effort productions a year. F/SN and Tsukihime were also both the biggest VN of their release year so that's a big step down.

>Someone already said this but Mahoyo had two (2) sequels already announced before it came out which have since been memory holed so it must have really, really performed below expectation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22333387
The production was delayed for years, though that was mainly due to a series of unfortunate circumstances.
Focus in TM is forcibly elsewhere due to how much Nasu likes to micromanage different projects.
It was a short all ages VN without voices, which automatically reduces the amount of people who are interested, especially at the price.
Maybe Nasu overestimated appeal due to the TM name or whatever, but public comments imply that such things didn't matter.
If he specifically wanted it to be another Fate, it would be far different.
Nasu just wanted it to be what he wanted, since they finally had the comfort to do so without needing to his sales targets.
Like the Remake, his focus has simply been on more pertinent stuff, so plenty of old planned stuff is on hiatus.
Looking at the stuff that sold higher, it is all far more appealing and value oriented to the typical VN buyer.
Also by this time, if Nasu really wanted it to be big, maybe he would've gone for the Persona style of game instead.

[Anonymous No.]

Would anybody read a fan VN AU where Shirou summons Medusa instead?

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>>22333507
>It was a short all ages VN without voices
Was not FSN also like that at the start? Of course they did not have a big hiatus, but they were on thing entirely and also took some time to have voices.
Actually, is there anu document saying FSN was a big hit to the point of making TM have any profit? Ot did it need to first use advertising techniques like anime and other merchandising?
What really did make Takeuchi continue working on it (cause he is the one who makes decisions and gives the direction to what nasu will do).

[Anonymous No.]

>>22333526
Only if it had 18+ scenes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22333538
That was always the intention.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22333534
FSN is far from short, and it wasn't all-ages either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22333534
FSN was a long eroge, which later added voices and removed the lewd content with RN.
It was expanded in scope and production value thanks to Tsukihime's success.
FSN on VN sales alone was ginormous, 200k+ iirc, then came the streams of merchandise and related material, like the anime.
It led to spinoffs like Zero, and with that selling well as an LN they realised that the Fate formula was a free money printer, so they carried on to this day milking it harder and harder.
They tried to offload it to other places and parts of TM so that they could continue to make new things, but Takeuchi would force things to be this way unless the new IP was enmorously successful.
But the new IP made since SN has not been made for ultimate pervasiveness.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22333582
I don't think the 18kin tag and and being long did that though.
And Saber route is actually short, the initial release of Fate wasn't with separate routes?
There might have people who just played that and were bewildered enough (like with some who watched only fate deen).

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>>22333242
You mean the october 27th?
(this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlTJp4HGWJY)?
I am trying to find the time they talked about it.

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>>22333752
Yes that's right, though i think that anon just copied it from this BL post http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/1675-The-Type-Moon-Miscellaneous-Thoughts-Thread?p=3022402&viewfull=1#post3022402

[Anonymous No.]

>>22331004
Hello I'm a bit confused.
I haven't looking much into melty blood but I wanted to play it because it looked fun but I'm still busy with tsukihime right now but I saw pic on sale.
Any point in buying this or should I just get them from the download link in the OP?
what are these about?
>Original + ReACT + Act Cadenza
Are these sequels I should play in order or is AACC just a remastered final version of all 3 games? Steam doesn't have those.
>Community Edition
This is a better version of AACC making the steam version worthless?
Also I only see the fighting matches when I search videos, how much of a story does it have? Is it like an actual VN?
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22332643
Not that anon, but I didn't find it particularly hard, just needed to enable skipping of previously-read text and it went by pretty smoothly other than finding the last couple scenes. I'd still much rather have F/HA's system, though.
>>22334137
Re-ACT is an expansion for the original that contains both its original VN plot (which is canon to the Tsukihime story) and an arcade mode in its own continuity which is later followed by Act Cadenza and Actress Again (Current Code) story modes. It's pretty expansive overall, but only the original has a VN-like plot, while the rest have per-character scenarios.
If you're a lorefag, start with Re-ACT (preferably after playing Kagetsu Tohya), if you just wanna play the games skip everything pre-AACC unless you're really curious.
>Community Edition
Yes, pretty much. The Steam edition has dogshit netcode while the Community Edition has CCCaster, which is what everyone uses to play online. You can still buy the Steam one if you wanna support French Bread, I guess, but at that point you'd probably be best off getting UNIst.

[Anonymous No.]

I cant make a save file while playing tsukihime. Am I doing something wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>22332643
A lot of ctrl skipping and exploring all options. It took a long time, but IMO the experience is much better. Going in blind is a different feeling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22334200
>>22337053
I did try to play it blind one time, but near the end I got stuck somewhere and couldn't figure out what I was missing so I just gave up. Also one other advantage of using the walkthrough is that you're guaranteed to get every possible scene. It's really easy to be locked out of certain scenes on a playthrough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22333752
Ok, found it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP_Z337UvF0
From 19:40ish Nobunaga talks about Tsukihime, Zelretch, Fandisk, etc.
Oh boy, hope he is not the only one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22333242
>-he said he wanted to see Zel vs CM animated
>-he wants Tsuki remake and Tsuki 2 and fandisk
Based

[Anonymous No.]

I fucking love this shit so much. Even the flash game quality is charming

[Anonymous No.]

>>22338233
Did Nobu mention anything about Tsukihime-related besides Zel vs CM getting animated and TsukiRe/Tsuki2/Fandisk?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22338939
I am going to make a transcription and translate his words later, bear with me anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22339011
Based, thank you anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>22331004
Kara no Kyoukai > Fate

[Anonymous No.]

>>22339583
This

[Anonymous No.]

>>22339583
where does tsukihime fit into the equation?

[Anonymous No.]

Wanting Tsukihime 2 and a fandisc isn't based at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22339688
Why

[Anonymous No.]

>>22339688
Can't be worse than FGO

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Wish me luck.

[Anonymous No.]

rin is a beast now, enjoy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22340234
>Kama had a Beast form therefore it’s Ishtar’s turn.
Atleast it kinda fitted with Sakurafaces since they have a tendency to play antagonists in the series. On top of that, they’re giving her one of the most hyped classes in a fucking Star Wars parody event.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>spend years introducing beast lore and making them a big deal
>yeah actually half of them are just pretty girls you already know because I couldn't come up with enough unique ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22340234
Where did it mention that she's a Beast?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22340594
nowhere because epic timelocks but she has horns is a kama ripoff, also has several colour variants just like beast kama had

[Anonymous No.]

>>22340512
Tokiomi-kun in space.
What the fuck is this franchise anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22340656
Space Ishtar is a galaxy in human form that TOKIOMI found and raised.
Welp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22340782
bravo nasu truly brilliant writing

[Anonymous No.]

>>22340234
I actually like this design. Maybe if it wasn't basically Rin it would be better, but overall it's not that bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22341294
Well, it is not that the design is bad, I mean, I think the least badmouthed thing on FGO here is the artwork.
The problem is this being yet another shitfesta on Nasuverse canon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22341475
I'm used to that at this point. I stopped paying attention to the lore post-Fate/Extra. Just a total mess that shits on the originals as much as possible.

[Anonymous No.]

Do you guys ever stop being hungry for fateshit? Cause I'm still am hungry for more good fateshit

[Anonymous No.]

I'm still hungry for some actually good fateshit

[Anonymous No.]

>>22342354
>what is fate/strange fake

[Anonymous No.]

>>22342354
I kinda want to read Requiem but its reviews are not very encouraging.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm so starved for old nasuverse content I've been spending every waking moment on this dumb "rider is summoned by shirou" AU fan VN. I can safely say, from where I am in my proof of concept/tech demo, programming music is the biggest pain in the ass.

[Anonymous No.]

>finally pick up Babylonia
>Taiga dressed in a jaguar suit is a forest god that steals men from the village
Man, I wasn't expecting much to begin with, but that's just retarded. I thought FGOfags said this part was supposed to be good?

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>>22343274
I also heard that. Now people are saying "nono its the camelot one that is good, not babylonia".
And then, camelot will evetually be shit as well. Bet my lollipop money on it.

[Anonymous No.]

why the fuck is Nasu introducing serious mystery lore to his retarded comedy universe that shouldn't even be anywhere near canon?

I hate this mushroom so much, it's been over 15 years and he still doesn't get that he's not funny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22343466
>世界のアップデート
Why

[Anonymous No.]

>>22343484
I'm sure he'll tell you in 5 years when he comes up with a reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>22343466
A virgin 40 year old making bad jokes.
It is not that new.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22343466
>servant universe was a normal universe full of humans before some event occured nobody knows about anymore that caused everyone to develop into saint graph lifeforms which made the universe update itself and filled it with bullshit magic scifi particles

nasu why

[Anonymous No.]

>>22343081
I think Nasu's best writing days are behind him, and he knows it. KnK was only palatable by the production beefing up the style and jumbling the narrative, Mahoyo flopped, and most of the people he's delegated Fateshit to are outshining him. The only thing Nasu has yet to hold on to is that Camelot and Babylon is are far and away the best FGO chapters.

Even if the option to copypaste the old Turkeyhandle routes were viable, he probably can't write the Sacchin route in his old style.

>"It's like when you write - when you're younger, you look back on [previous work] and you think 'Oh, goodness what was I thinking,'" Nasu explained. "It's not that I'm embarrassed, I just don't like to look at my previous works."

>Nasu: When I wrote Kara no Kyoukai, I felt resistance towards so many things—society, entertainment, culture—and it was my motivation to write the story. Now, I am thrilled to be writing from a place of gratitude, though with just a touch of sadness. It feels like the old Nasu Kinoko has passed on. I suppose you could say I've gone under a heavy detox, and feel much more virtuous now (laughs).

>Nasu: Exactly. Old Me would have fearlessly spelled out the theme. I thought "Ah, this is definitely going to transfix the people tuned to this channel." But with this adaptation, we're trying to take the original game's copious amounts of dialog and revise them into a form that will convey the same meaning in the allotted length and can be depicted well visually. I think that's what they were careful about in this adaptation. I can't remember what I was feeling as I was writing 10 years ago, but I remember to this day what it was that I wanted to write. That's why I'm explaining to the anime staff, "In this scene, this line here is key, so trim down the rest and highlight this part."

>Nasu: The first script that ufotable brought to me had a lot of sentences lifted from the original game, but since we'd just end up replicating those scenes, I realized that I had to retool it for the anime. But when I rewrote it myself, it was just cool, and not compelling at all. So when I re-read the original game, it was totally grim. That's when I realized that that was the essence of UBW, and the lines that took 30 minutes for the characters to utter in-game, I cut down to five

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344133
>Babylon is pretty shit, from what I read on gameplays, that thing is just like your typical shounen story, No wonder the anime seems like a kid's show.
And frankly camelot doesn't seem to be different, as the problem is exactly the protagonist and chaldea friends.
Mahoyo also sounded kinda shounenish but it was the first novel, not the last. And even then, I am only talking about battles. Mahoyo dialogue and other scenes like Aoko using fifth magic is wonderful.
But even then, people have to understand that Mahoyo was the first novel, not the last. Mahoyo is already wrotten as a novel even before Tsukihime and KnK.
I don't know if Nasu lost the touch, but there are other things that make FGO shit that is not himself alone:
>two lines of text and dialogue only, no narration
>no control over story which leads to tons of retcons
>is trying to make a mobage in a VN, but he fails.
>is trying to make a VN, but he fails
>In the end FGO is a mobage that tryes to be a VN and a VN that tries to be a mobage, in the end it is neither.
>FGO doesn't make him free to have free artistic potential as he did, as the new fandom demands fast content; they cry and badmouth the game just because a character or a story part takes more time to release.
>He has to also attend to demands from executives, Takeuchi included.
>Takeuchi is an asshole who doesn't give a fuck and just want to make sabers and moeshit.
And then you find weird Nasu writing shit. To me it is not suprising, not at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>boy-meets-girl story
>Kokutou-meets-Ryougi
>Shiki-meets-Arc
>Shirou-meets-Saber
>Hakuno-meets-Nero
>Sieg-meets-Jeanne
>Ritsuka-meets-Mash

Is Nasu a hack?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344247
Eh, that’s a VN/LN staple. He became a hack when he decided to write nothing but servantshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344311
Nasu said something about it when he spoke of CCC, that the highlight and focus of Fate is the relationship between magus and Servant or Heroic Spirit, their bonding (positive and negative) and how they separate in the end. That's why the climax of CCC in his eyes which was the sum of what he wanted to tell about FSN was the scene the Servants said goodbye in the true end. Because in that climax: the maturity of the magus and the Heroic Spirit's peace is where the heart is. Something similar he said about FGO and the last scene with Solomon, about revisiting the "heart of FSN" which he wanted to highlit but "some fans forgot." Even if he wasn't a Servant of the self insert, he was the Ruler whom the magus bonded with that has been a thing since Proto.

Rin's final scene with Archer and Shirou's and Saber relationship (Waver with Iskandar in FZ, not by Nasu, but he thought of this relationship as the heart and Butcher wrote it, Nero-who Nasu sees as the Main Servant in Extra-and Hakuno, etc). HF always treated as an extra in Nasu's eyes, something he added to FSN which was already a complete story with Fate and UBW. Since his draft in Prototype, the focus has always been a magus and a Heroic Spirit, and their journey together.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344247
Boy meets girl is just a heterossexual trope that comes from ancient literature.I mean, you could argue the myths and religions are a hack, but that would be weird.
Also, Nasu did not wrote Sieg meets Jeanne.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344324
well he sure did a good job of letting his FGO team ruin the focus of fate then by pulling the "disappearing servant" bullshit roughly 160 times. and there's always a gacha clone that rolls up 5 minutes later because fucking mobile games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344344
>Also, Nasu did not wrote Sieg meets Jeanne.

blame Nasu for suggesting to Higashide the creation of Sieg

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344133
You're still wrong about Mahoyo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344368
Apocrypha was everything but a good project.
And I actually defend the position that Apocrypha is boy meets boy.

[Anonymous No.]

How do you rank Kinoko Nasu's works best to worst?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344418
1 KnK
2 Notes
3 Tsukihime
4 Mahoyo
5 Fate
6 Everything else
I don't count DDD because I haven't read it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344418
Everything with my wife > the rest

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344418
I honestly think he peaked at heavens feel. maybe mahoyo would be higher for me if it was actually 3 games like he planned. CCC was really disappointing for all the good I had heard about it so I'd probably put Tsukihime above it although I haven't read that in years. Are there even any other contenders? DDD has been abandoned for years and half the shit in HA is from other people

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344652
Mahoyo was the first thing he wrote no?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344669
Yes, he wrote a draft for a writing competition, but he could not hit the page limit and so kept it unreleased.
That draft is only owned by a handful of people, how much of that is in the later VN release is specularitory.
Assume that all the general plot is similar, just refined massively.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344702
No, it was not a draft, it was a complete thing, the difference is that it was a manuscript. But the Nasuverse was built upon that manuscript anyway.
And the only difference is that Aoko was more like Asuka and Alice was more like Rei.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344772
Well, for the purposes of Nasu's later standards and that the adapted version is the finalised version, it is.
Though the original was a completed manuscript, but I digress.
The NGE influence is still notable, but I'm sure the characterisation now is far more unique and refined than the original version, that is what 15 years of setting evolution does.
I could imagine how close they were to being all but clones originally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22340603
>no independent manifestation

She's not a Beast, retard. She's got a stupid wank but nobody cares because is the Servant Universe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22343466
In what universe you came to conclusion that is serious or lore related?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22343274
>>22343410
I like Babylonia, but I think everyone agreed Taiga was the Jar Jar Binks of the chapter that everyone wanted to cut. The Stage did and it was better thanks to that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344804
They are still clones in personality, imo.
And my problem was only with the word, draft gives the idea that it was a rough and not organized work, which it wasn't. I also like to remember this fact because Mahoyo is necessarily the Nasuverse myth alongside with Notes, so I think it is fair to consider it as something older than it actually is.
But I agree as well that the VN is a finalized version.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344821
Because Heroine X is canon, alongside that damn timeline. I mean, she was at the Solomon final battle, a feat that not even Shiki Void had.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344849
Did you actually read the event or are you cherrypicking shit pretending it matters to the main story when Nasu never cares about them?

Takeuchi has the brain to split events from main story, and considers them apart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344841
>They are still clones in personality, imo.

Explain your opinion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22343466
I don't understand why are people doing a big deal about that. It's confirming stuff we know. He simply explains what he means about "universe update", he means the world updated one day and the previously human beings became Servants.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344892
Tsundere long hair and Kuudere short hair. That is enough for me.
You know that origin thing? All tsundere with long hair has ASUKA as an origin, while all kuudere with short hair has AYANAMI as origin.
At the moment I am trying to find the origin of meganekko btw.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344900
It is actually far simpler, whenever you make something happen in your created universe, you're basically saying that this thing you created has the same value as all the other things that you love, because they share the same principle, which is existing inside the nasuverse.
That the fucking problem with FGO as a whole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344920
What about Sakura and Fujino?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344956
I am not well versed in yandere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344538
How is Notes in your top 2? What makes it stand out above your lower ranks?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344920
That isn't true anymore, taking the Mahoyo examples, there really isn't enough there to validate that opinion.
Especially when you consider future evolution of characters in later set works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22345140
>Especially when you consider future evolution of characters in later set works.

Nasu was exploring all of F/SN's and F/Z's themes except for its core one (what it means to be a hero) and plenty others in Kara no Kyoukai and Tsukihime long before, largely because the Type-Moon world is founded on principle philosophical conceits that are consistent throughout TM's works. Souren Araya's motivation ties into Kiritsugu's and Archer's suppositions about saving people long before Fate ever came to be.

Most of his characters are variations of his previous writings. He mashes them together to create something new or tries to flash out a character he thought had bigger potential. Story themes and overall plot often mirrors something he wrote in the past too. He often has mono no aware present in his works. Originally he was inspired by Evangelion which shows in his works starting from Mahoyo and Angel Notes. Nowadays he doesn't even bother anymore since FGO allows him to reuse characters left and right.

>Shirou ties back to Enjou Tomoe.
>Rin is Misaya is Azaka is the haughty tsundere
>Sakura is Fujino is the rape victim.
>Kotomine is Araya is Nrvnqsr is the stern intellectual antagonist voiced by Jouji Nakata.
>Gilgamesh is Alba is Roa is the extremely powerful but arrogant antagonist.
>Kotomine works with Gil and they're bros, Araya works with Alba (once upon a time they were probably bros), and Nrvnqsr and Roa are bros, too.
>Tamamo is an expy of Kohaku's Magical Amber persona
>>Mash is the newest Sakura/Kohaku/Fujino clone FSN stray servant + White Sakura from Fate Extra.
>Underestimated Shiki/Zelretch/Shirou so Nrvnqsr/Crimson Moon/Gilgamesh got his ass handed despite he normally being super strong I swear guise
>Nasu has to keep up the facade that Shirou/EMIYA are weak so that when they win they can always seem like a massive underdog.

And so on. Routes, stories and their themes can also be compared like that. Even just the beginning of SN and Tsukihime were taken from KnK Hollow Shrine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22345181
You can apply this to some extent for basically every writer.
I prefer individual character studies across multiple works that continue to alter that character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>Since she is a Venusian goddess, created by the anciant Venusian civilization
Where is this civilization now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22345430
Turned into Type Venus

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344956
Sakura's origin is Hotaru.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344226
>No wonder the anime seems like a kid's show.
Don't insult kid's shows. They often are actually good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22345430
>>22345474
They got BTFO by the Sefar in previous visits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344418
FSN is his best work. Everything else is varying degrees to all right to outright awful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22345488
thanks for reminding me to re-watch Sailor Moon

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344247
> first in the line, so doesn't count
> Arc route makes up only 1/5 of Tsukihime
> Fate route makes up only 1/3 of F/sn
> Haven't finished EXTRA
> not written by Nasu
> lolFGO

[Anonymous No.]

>>22345488
thanks for reminding me to re-read Sailor Moon doujins

[Anonymous No.]

>>22345128
I like Types and it is the only that actually talks about them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22345181
One thing that I found interesting about it is that at some point you could say those characters could have similar origin or share some karmic energies, as buddism and reincarnation is pretty much the core of Nasuverse.
All hail Yuishiki, the immaculate consciousness

[Anonymous No.]

>>22333242
>he said he wanted to see Zel vs CM animated
How can we get them to use Lunatique as a reference. Otherwise it'll pale compared to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22345509
A show that is meant to be seinen turning out to be a kid's show is a problem, not that kid's show is a problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22346771
You can be a girl at EXTRA and also meet Archer. That already changes things.
This obviously doesn't count to FGO because anime.
EXTRA anime has Hakuno a female as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22347166
>Lunatique
I don't know what you're talking about exactly, but if it was what I saw, that shit has no relation to this scene.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22349223
http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/1873-Lunatique

[Anonymous No.]

Can a person have multiple commandments?

[ANON X No.]

>>22351104
Ask Moses about that one, he's sure to know!

[Anonymous No.]

>>22351151
Sorry, wrong thread: >>22335267

[Anonymous No.]

When are you guys going to come to realization that you're the secondaries now, and that the rest of the fanbase has moved on without you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22351207
When are you going to realise that we don't care?
Go back to /vg/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22351223
Is that why FGO and /alter/ live rent free in these threads?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22351325
It was obvious you were an /alter/fag.
Thanks for confirming that though, big respect.
You know what problems current TM has, we just aren't in denial about them and choose to disregard it for the sake of enjoying what came before. And yet we still keep up with it. Because we care.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22349433
How does a fanfic manage to be this good?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22351460
There are good ones, sometimes, rarely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22351325
It's because FGO is Type Moon and this is a Type Moon thread.

[Anonymous No.]

*6,241pt アズールレーン 1　
*5,587pt Fate/Grand Order -絶対魔獣戦線バビロニア- 1

lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>22352184
Nice

[Anonymous No.]

>>22352184
Nice

[Anonymous No.]

>>22352184
It means that FGO fans are not anime buyers. They probably don't watch anime at all.
And anime otaku don't care about the adaptation because it's shit.

[Anonymous No.]

Which TYPE-MOON characters would be in an otome game as the love interest? My picks are most male FSN servants (except Berserker and True Assasin) and Nanaya.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22353723
Literally what Arthur, Gilgamesh and Cu were in Fate/Prototype.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22345430
Who are you talking about ? Ishtar ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22344418
1 F/SN
2 Knk
3 Mahoyo
4 F/HA
5 Tsukihime
6 Tsuki no Sango
7 Kagetsu Tohya
8 Notes
9 Extra CCC
10 Babylonia & Camelot
11 Extra & LE

Never read DDD and Extella

[Anonymous No.]

>>22353301
>And anime otaku don't care about the adaptation because it's shit.
Is the adaptation that's bad or is it just the source material? To me it seems to be produced well at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22354302
source material, probably.
it isn't fun to watch, and most people I know dropped it after the first episode.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22354324
I think the directing and pacing is really bad, but I'm still watching it for the fights and the fanservice. To me it's better than Apocrypha at least and I still have no idea why I watched that shitfest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22354331
I remember watching the first episode, and slogging through 20 minutes of lifeless dialogue and random character appearances made me drop it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22354331
But the fanservice is awful unless you're invested in it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22354455
I like big anime butts, so I'm not sure what you mean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22354513
Fanservice isn't only just lewd scenes, it can also be making big references and whatnot to make people go like "Holy shit it's the thing *claps profusely*"
For the former, it is pretty tame and there is better shit out there for that content, for the latter, you need to be a big 'ol FGO faggot to care about.
Based on early sales figures, it isn't working nearly as well as they hoped.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22352184
>no code
>double the price since it has more episodes
>released in Jan 2020 (AL is Dec 2019)
I mean, the thing you posted is just about pre-order. Babylonia BD1 will be released after Azur Lane so people have more time to order it later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22354331
>To me it's better than Apocrypha at least and I still have no idea why I watched that shitfest.
...Apoc is better then Babylonia and the entirety of FGO. You can't call a pile of garbage better then a slightly cleaner, polished pile of garbage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22354665
Well I'm just strictly going of the anime adaptions here, but Sieg is way too insufferable and annoying for me to share this viewpoint. Fujimaru sucks as a character but at least it's more of a "he might as well not exist" instead of being annoying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22354582
This, the BD hasn't even been released yet and people already care about its sales number. Fucking First Order sold more than 20K copies, there's no need to worry about Babylonia BDs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22354302
It's both. The source is mobage trash and the adaptation does nothing to fix it.
Most notably the MC.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22354848
>worry
The only worry is if it does also sell a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Inept_Wiki_User/Cosmos_in_the_Lostbelt:_Post-Prologue,_Pre-Anastasia_Information_%26_Speculation
Looking for more like this for LB3 and LB4, specifically points to do with LB5. Charlotte's hidden interlude text is probably the biggest Atlantis spoiler yet but it'd be nice to know more.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.fatestaynightusa.com/

[Anonymous No.]

>>22358633
Still jealous of americans for getting this stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22358633
Got this for free at the last movie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22358775
Scan no crop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22358778

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone got a download link for Unlimited Codes? If possible, the PSP version, but the PS2 one is fine too

[Anonymous No.]

Christ. The discussion for Babylonia is fucking dead

[Anonymous No.]

FGO:
>pruning, lostbelts, human order, limited energy, no collabs with other franchises.
Symphogear:
>TIME TO PUNCH GODZILLA IN THE FACE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdvmv9-Sx4M

[Anonymous No.]

>>22359677
good

[Anonymous No.]

>>22359677
On /a/?

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a list of the new tracks that will be on the re-release of the UBW OST?

[Anonymous No.]

When did Nasu lose his edge?

[Anonymous No.]

Watching this babylon anime makes me so angy. This is so fucking shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22360443
when people started shitposting about sakura not being a virgin and he actually started thinking he made a mistake. Heavens feel was the last time he did anything edgy. If somebody says "CCC" or "deadface" I will fucking punch you.

[Anonymous No.]

Am I stupid for having problems playing Kagetsu Tohya?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22360871
I wonder why Sakura caused such a ruckus but not Kohaku. Hell, Kohaku was even very popular at the time. I believe she was 2nd or 3rd behind Arcueid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22361093
Purityfaggotry wasn't as established yet back when Tsukihime came out. No matter how much purityfags try to pretend otherwise, Japan didn't care about fictional girls not being virgins until otaku culture got more extreme in the early 00s.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22360965
Nope, it is a first try of TM on loop VN in a onscripter engine, I would say the odds are all against you in this one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22361093
Sakura is a passive charater, not Kohaku.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22361093
Because Sakura's suffering loops back to being hillarious. In addition she's utterly passive while Kohaku takes acion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22361262
No I mean I'm genuinely confused trying to understand the story and having problems advancing the story.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22361285
Just consult the flowchart

[Anonymous No.]

>>22361280
>Because Sakura's suffering loops back to being hillarious
This is true. It was hard to take it seriously when I first read HF and the movie makes it even more funny

[Anonymous No.]

>>22361271
>>22361280
Sakura literally takes out the Matous on her own, whereas Kohaku had to be saved by Akiha. It's as if you have some list of shitposting talking points but never actually read Tsukihime or F/SN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22361280
>In addition she's utterly passive while Kohaku takes acion.
Well, Sakura does that as well but only at the end of her route. Before that, she struggles to keep being a good, normal girl.

[Anonymous No.]

Is Sakura truly a virgin on Realta Nua?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22361995
There's nothing saying she isn't one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22361995
Yes and if you assume the mooncell scanned that version, so are all her shitty clones.

[Anonymous No.]

>HF comes out
>TM "fans" freak out because Sakura isn't a virgin, causing Nasu to become depressed and never write anything edgy ever again
>years later, HF gets adapted, is watched by anime fans and gacha fans who have never read the original work
>is applauded as one of the greatest works ever, Sakura skyrockets in popularity, beating out even Saber
So I guess those "secondaries" you guys are always complaining about were actually the more mature fanbase. Maybe Nasu will go back to writing edgy stuff now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22364484
nice projecting you got there

[Anonymous No.]

>>22364484
Nasu seems desperate to pretend it's still the 00s, considering how hard he wanks Rin's pseudos while fucking over Sakura's in FGO. Kama seemed like he had learned from the huge mistakes he made with Parvati, but then he made the tone of Ooku's finale a carbon copy of old anti-Sakura skits such as that Blossom-sensei video for Fate/Extra and April Fools 2013.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22364597
Personally I'm glad. Psuedo servants are awful and I'd rather Sakura be kept away from them. I feel bad for Rinfags, though. Must suck to see your waifu being possessed by everyone left right and center.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22364484
>Maybe Nasu will go back to writing edgy stuff now.

Nasu wanted to rewrite all of heavens feel for the movies, that's how much he thinks he fucked up making it. That guy is never going back. He's been upset about this for 15 years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22366748
fuck he was already 50+ pages into his rewrite before even asking the director about it. that's how upset he is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22364484
Who quote?

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder what Nasu's Fate remake would look like

[Anonymous No.]

>>22366815
I'm not sure if Nasu would ever rewrite route Fate, especially when he wants to remake the whole Extra series when he's still alive.
Maybe this is why we have Studio BB.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22366909
>I'm not sure if Nasu would ever rewrite route Fate
Well, he probably never will, but he has talked time and time again about how he isn't satisfied with the Fate route either. Specifically insofar as Shirou and Saber's relationship is concerned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22366748
But why? HF is decent as it is. It serves as a good ending after reading the other two routes like for example Kohaku's route.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>22367880
Nasu hates all of his works about a year after writing them

[Anonymous No.]

>>22364659
Astarte isn't a pseudo though, she is Rin "just because."

[Anonymous No.]

>>22367880
I don't know, why did he decide that instead of an extra anime adaption he should go absolute fucking retard? The guy has too much power now. Nobody talks him down anymore. Except the HF director for some reason, probably because he's a fan and knows Nasu is a complete hack. Classic TM was a delicate balance between Nasu being a weirdo retard and Takeuchi being a sellout keeping him in check. Now nasu is just a weirdo retard and Takeuchi is just a sellout.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22370400
>Nobody talks him down anymore.
Takeuchi actually controls him like he is his sex slave.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22370400
Takeuchi decided Ushiwakamaru should be genderbent and should wear the most retarded clothes because is "sexy". So he's still a sellout.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22370898
Raikou being female is Takeuchi's idea too.
Also Emiya Alter.

[Anonymous No.]

The only worthwhile shit in FGO is Shinjuku, GudaGuda events, Tokugawa Labryinth (Kama), any of these animated would shit on Babylonia and Camelot

[Anonymous No.]

>>22360664
It is shit and to think that people are enjoying it and hyping it up disgusts me. Completely half-assed animation to milk the cash cow's udders. Should have just animated strange fake

[Anonymous No.]

>>22371344
normalfags don't care for SF so it will never get attention

[Anonymous No.]

>>22371377
you're completely right
The fact that Babylonia is the new normal/seasonalfag anime disgusts me so much

[Anonymous No.]

>>22371377
(Although there was a large demand in Japan for SF to be animated) but fgo is where the $$ retards are

[Anonymous No.]

>>22371333
and then we got an anime of those and they prove to be shit as well
>the irony

[Anonymous No.]

>>22371377
SF needs to finish for anything to happen though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22371415
yeah if it's cloverworks.. Absolute garbage. A1 at least gave apocrypha some redemption

[Anonymous No.]

>>22368677
I love me some tsuki art

[Anonymous No.]

>>22367880
Honestly I'd just rewrite Sakura's involvement in the VN as a whole rather than just HF. Make her actually exist. Have the implication that fucked up shit goes on in the Matou household. Something something Zouken.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22371377
The hell are you talking about. They fucking love it. It has servant going balls to walls, Gil/Enkidu (which is really popular for some reason), cute girls, and every TM reference to boot.

[Anonymous No.]

Seriously though, how can FGOsecondaries eat this shit up?

[Anonymous No.]

I hope you all are ready for Nasu's new style of writing regarding Tsuki.

Cause I'm sure as hell not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22375706
im ready for tonally out of place humor, fgo references, and a lot less edge

[Anonymous No.]

>>22371333
>The only worthwhile shit in FGO is the porn
Fixed that one for you

[Anonymous No.]

>>22375706
I hope it's still descriptive as fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>22375706
If by new style you mean Mahoyo's, his newest VN, then I am, it's fantastic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22376696
Mahoyo was written almost 9 years ago now anon (he finished the scenario in 2011 or 2010), he has changed a lot, and not necessarily for the better i might add. hell, even CCC was a pretty big departure from his writing in Mahoyo.

i hope it's of similar quality to Mahoyo myself (even if Mahoyo is a bit overrated here imo), but some part of me wonders if he's even capable of it anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22376743
Maybe the fact that what has been wrote until now is evidence that he is spending too much of his energy on Tsukihime Remake, that is, he has no creativeness left and is just using FGO as means of making people forget while he finish his thing.
C'mon, think about it, wouldn't it be perfect if TsukiRe turn out to be the reason why FGO is acutally shit and people start noticing it?
That is one rage from newfags that I would like to see.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it possible to contact Nasu? Just wanted to tell him he is a traitor of his own universe and old fanbase.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22377132
Not Nasu specifically, but you can send messages to the links of the typemoon site via email or something like that.
I also found Notes headquarters in Japan, but that would need you to travel there, which is too much for a hikikomori like me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22377130
the coloring style and body proportions are the reason why that artist's arts are so shitty

[Anonymous No.]

>>22377130
Yeah I really doubt that

[Anonymous No.]

>>22377162
They are not perfect, but I fapped to them quite a lot

[Anonymous No.]

Replaying fsn made me realize how much I really love Taiga

[Anonymous No.]

>>22377130
>>22377736
Any artist the murders Arc's vents is a no go in my book

[Anonymous No.]

>>22378519
*that murders

[Anonymous No.]

>>22378519
Looks similar desu, they did a good job

[Anonymous No.]

>>22378519

[Anonymous No.]

>>22378540
Except, you know, the lack of any vents at all. But that doesn't really surprise me because that artist is part of the nu-audience; he only draws the remake designs, and Arc in the remake has one, teeny-tiny vent by comparison to her old design.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22379103
This means that even Takeuchi is also a no go in your book.
Which is pretty understandable, the guy is the most responsible for destroying TYPE-MOON today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22379139
>This means that even Takeuchi is also a no go in your book.
Well, yeah. I am not a fan of most of the redesigns at all. Not really a fan of Takeuchi's artwork in general for the past 8 years. He gets lazier and lazier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22375926
>tonally out of place humor
This is the one that will hurt me the most.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22377882
every scene with her had me in tears
especially when that stupid sounding bgm played

[Anonymous No.]

>>22379645
I'm somewhat surprised and glad that shirou would not hesitate to kill Rin to save Taiga considering his seigi no mikata autism

[Anonymous No.]

For some reason I think Tsukihime will be released this 25th december, like a surprise thing.
I don't have a reason for this, and rationally, I find it dumb.
But I have a feeling even then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22379738
December 25th is Arcs birthday. This has been my theory for a long time. It's either then or the Tsuki anniversary. If they don't release it by then, I don't think it's releasing for another 8 years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22379654
> I'm somewhat surprised and glad that shirou would not hesitate to kill Rin to save Taiga
huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22379221
it's fucking crazy, man. it's so fucking weird how it permeates all of his works post-Mahoyo, and, hell, even parts of Mahoyo showed that he was going on that direction.

it just takes you out of it so hard too, because Nasu's idea of humor is the most juvenile shit ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22380633
Like his sex scenes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22380706
yeah he has really bad taste in sex writing too

[Anonymous No.]

>>22379654
How are you surprised by this? Itd a very Shirou thing to think of and even consider killing Rin

[Anonymous No.]

>>22380248
Fate route iirc

[Anonymous No.]

>>22379654
it's been a long time I've read UBW - I presume that's the route in question.
Where was this exactly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22381369
I think it's the fate route where shirou's house was under attack by Medea

[Anonymous No.]

>>22381665
I just re-read the part in Fate where Medea attacks like a couple of days ago and there's nothing like that. Unless I just missed a bad end or something.

[Anonymous No.]

It's after the date in UBW.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22381781
Lmao, considering to kill Rin in supposedly her own route as well

[Anonymous No.]

>>22380633
Nasu always had humour in his works, and it was always really bad. the difference between then and now is that he can't keep it separate anymore. Used to be that all the comedy was in taiga dojo's or school scenes and the like, now it's in the main plot. CCC and FGO are really fucking bad when it comes to that.

If a student says something retarded in Mahoyo or the bird turns out to be a sperg I don't even think about it, because it fits right into the greater setting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22381913
I think the humor in older Nasu works is generally funny. The Taiga dojos and shit makes me laugh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22381974
It can be funny at times, but then there's also his obsession with "DUDE LOLRANDUMB OBSCURE REFERENCES LMAO" and "DUDE POPULARITY POLLS LMAO".

[Anonymous No.]

Medea is my favourite out of the original lineup of servants.
Thank you for listening.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22381369
When Caster holds her hostage I think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22382007
Yeah his obsession with meta jokes is awful. And it has only got worse. It's like Carnival Phantasm on overdrive

[Anonymous No.]

>>22381873
>UBW
>Rin route
Oh come on. It's Archer route.

[Anonymous No.]

Why were FSN and FZ so successful?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22384463
for the same reason Fate/anything is successful

[Anonymous No.]

>>22384463
They were soulful

[Anonymous No.]

What was your first reaction after you finished reading Rin's prologue?

Did Nasu subvert your expectations?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22384509
I laughed at the Kaede scene
she's best tomboy

[Anonymous No.]

>>22384509
I only remember that I was skipping school while reading the prologue. Other than that, I feel a nostalgic sensation because it's the start of something I love.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22385474
heh, I read FSN while skipping school as well

[Anonymous No.]

What magi could Lord El-Melloi II take in a straight fight with no servants or preptime?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22385565
That's very nice anon. Top tier reading experience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22385768
He can't take on anybody in a straight up 1v1 magi battle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22382182
Medea is kind of great, minus her Saber obsession and jobbing. Although I can't think of her without getting annoyed Nasu gave her an NP she can't even use. Give Colchis dragon please, Nasu.

>>22384509
Happiness, cause I could actually get to a character I cared about. Can't fucking stand Rin and her shitty servant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22382182
I can't say anything about Medea, because I haven't read F/SN, but I like her awful daughter

[Anonymous No.]

>>22387412
I meant to attach this

[Anonymous No.]

http://ufotable.com/kiritsugu_birth/

[Anonymous No.]

How different would TM be if Nasu never had another writer in his titles?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22389154
Probably dead because Nasu can't respect a deadline. The lack of products and the decline of VN industry would have killed TM.

[Anonymous No.]

Please stop ruining FGO threads on /a/. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22389281
I don't think we actually go there, those threads make us nauseous.
You sure it isn't just someone who got a bad roll?

[Anonymous No.]

Nasu: The actual writing of Kara no Kyoukai is a pretty embarrassing memory for me—suffice it to say it is a work that represents my true self at the time. I wrote it at a time when I felt I could take on the world armed only with my words, and I realized [through this movie] that the farther removed it became from the written medium, the more distant it became from what I was actually trying to express. So as successful as it was, it was on a different path than what my past self was trying to take with it, and it just didn't match up. Yet in seeing up through the fourth chapter, I came to realize that although I was on a different path then, it doesn't mean that I didn't leave some pretty good things behind. As the movie versions have allowed me such realizations, I was again reminded of the real value of Kara no Kyoukai. My heartfelt gratitude towards that period of time has been thus manifested into Future Gospel.
—So the driving force behind Future Gospel was that feeling of gratitude of yours.
Nasu: When I wrote Kara no Kyoukai, I felt resistance towards so many things—society, entertainment, culture—and it was my motivation to write the story. Now, I am thrilled to be writing from a place of gratitude, though with just a touch of sadness. It feels like the old Nasu Kinoko has passed on. I suppose you could say I've gone under a heavy detox, and feel much more virtuous now (laughs).
Sauce: https://www.tsukikan.com/misc/kara-no-kyoukai-movie-nasu-kinoko-interview.html

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>>22389322
Sometimes I feel that Nasu did something expecting a result, didn't get it and now is trying to transform everything he did in what he thought it would be good.
I am just surprised that the definition of what he didn't want was actually his magnum opus and the definition of what he wants is FGO.
wtf is happening with this japanese

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>>22389281
You're dumb if you think we waste our time arguing with brainless retards. Don't come back. Thanks.

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>>22389322
>It feels like the old Nasu Kinoko has passed on.
Aaaaand there it is. Confirmation that the Tsukihime remake won't be even half as good as the original. Guess Gilgamesh was right.

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>>22373416
>Honestly I'd just rewrite Sakura's involvement in the VN as a whole rather than just HF. Make her actually exist. Have the implication that fucked up shit goes on in the Matou household. Something something Zouken.
Sakura needs a route entirely from her perspective. Would've been amazing.

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>>22390924
The fact that we never got a Saber and Rider team up is fucking criminal.

Their contrasting natures as spirits, the way Saber treats Sakura as a Knight would a Lady, and Shirou and Sakura forcing their servants to act as normal people is all incredible shit.

But instead we just get Rin every route. Like come on, Nasu.

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Just finished watching Case Files. Was pretty good once I realized it wasn't actually supposed to be a straight mystery story. Interesting too see a Fate story set outside of a grail war. Whole arc on the train was much, much better than the rest of the show, but I appreciate that the whole story couldn't have been just that.

Was nice seeing post-war Waver. Arc went pretty well, but it's been so long since I watched Zero that it probably wasn't as impactful as it could have been.
Gray was a real nice. Had just the right amount of attention, romance, and subdued cute to work without being overblown. No complaints whatsoever.
Reines stole every scene she was in, so it's sort of a good thing that she wasn't a major player.
Cameo brigade was solid. Kinda expected more from Necrodad when he showed up, but in retrospect he kinda needs Mordred to bounce off of. Luvia was pretty great, which is saying a lot considering how few shits I usually give about her. I didn't even realize Caules was Caules until he brought up his sister, so he's at least staying consistently unremarkable.
Doctor Heartless is a stupid name.

Biased as hell, but seeing Olga succeed at things, receive praise, and even make a friend was easily the best part. Did nothing to actually dull the pain of her loss, but at least there's some joy off to the side now.

One major complaint is this constant feel of missed content. Maybe it's from other Type-Moon content I haven't seen or read, maybe it's from this being a LN adaptation, but there was a lot of stuff it felt like I was supposed to just know about but didn't. That's pretty common with this franchise, though.

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>>22393799
>Whole arc on the train was much, much better than the rest of the show
Well that's actually the part that's from the LN, so not much of a surprise.

>One major complaint is this constant feel of missed content. Maybe it's from other Type-Moon content I haven't seen or read, maybe it's from this being a LN adaptation, but there was a lot of stuff it felt like I was supposed to just know about but didn't.
Yeah you're basically expected to know what happened in the previous novels as well as your Type-Moon shit. It is what it is. Glad you liked it though.

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>>22393821
>Well that's actually the part that's from the LN, so not much of a surprise.
>you're basically expected to know what happened in the previous novels
Ahahaha, that's hilarious. Why'd they do it like that? Why not just adapt the previous novels if you're going to refer to them?

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>>22394131
13 episodes aren't enough to adapt vol 1 to vol 5. In the recent Machi Asobi, they said they did plan the first half to be Adra Castle (vol 1- 2 eps) and Iselma but they couldn't adapt Iselma with just 4 eps so in the end, the first half were original content with some parts from the LN.

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>>22393799
Glad you like it Olga anon. It was certainly a fun ride and is easily the best Fate TV anime since UBW to me.

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>>22389281
>implying I still want to waste my time arguing with FGOfags after all these years
>waaaahh anyone who dislikes my shitty anime based on a kusoge MUST be from /tmg/

If you don't like those threads just stick to your /vg/ shithole.

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>>22396894
Fate/Cooking for me. Still, it's easily one of the best Fate TV anime for sure.

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>>22359068
Why would you want to play the PSP version? It has some awful changes, definitely play the PS2 one instead.
https://cdromance.com/ps2-iso/fateunlimited-codes-jpn/

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>>22397912
Wew, but I thought that the PSP version had more playable characters?

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>>22397975
No, every character in the PSP version is also in the PS2 version, you're thinking of the arcade version that had less characters than the console port. The only thing the PSP version changed was casualizing the inputs (no more 236 motions, with retarded 46 motions instead), fucking with the balance of the game for some godforsaken reason thus completely ruining its great competitive aspect, and removing this song as the main menu theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flnXbNGY_kw
There is a reason why everyone ignores the PSP version aside from wanting to play it in english, all the tournaments are organized on the PS2 version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRAwbgkai64

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Every single time someone on /a/ brings up how Babylon is bad because of "self insert" or because "it's based on a gacha" I know it's from this shithole.

Also, don't make me laugh. Pretending like your garbage porn games are above FGO and pretending the latter isn't Canon when pretty much everything in FGO is so much more interesting as far as the lore is concerned.

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>>22399894
stop projecting and fuck off
nobody wants you here

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>>22399926
He's right, though. If people in this thread wank fucking Apocrypha as being better than Camelot/Babylonia (and almost no one here has read the SE.RA.PH arc) then there's clearly a problem.

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>>22399973
Who the fuck cares which one is better besides FGOfags feeling insecure.
They're both total garbage modern Fate shit with a bigger focus on Servants and "woaaah cool flashy thing is happening", and both have awful main characters. Both results of the decline of TM, with FGO as a whole being way more responsible for worsening that decline.

I haven't seen anyone here argue a lot for Apocrypha, sounds like a problem that came from your own shitty threads so go deal with it there. People are allowed to have opinions that differ from yours, and FGOfags don't deserve anything resembling "comfy threads" anyway, you sold out that possibility when you agreed to the franchise itself selling out.

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>>22399973
nobody here wanks apocrypha?

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Aprocypha without Sieg screentime > FGO > Aprocypha with Sieg screentime

It's all pretty shit though.

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>>22399894
>pretty much everything in FGO is so much more interesting as far as the lore is concerned
Uh huh. That's why they skipped the first five arcs of the game when it came time to make an FGO anime. Because they're so interesting.

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Honestly im at the point where im so defeated i want to ignore fgo.

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>>22399991
it honestly doesn't matter how shit apo is because it was just a spinoff in it's own timeline. FGO has been transformed into the core of the TM universe purely because it makes the most money.

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>>22399894
ur mom is gay

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>>22399973
Who the fuck said anything good about Apocrypha?

Every single bit of it is trash and signifies whats wrong with Fate.

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>>22400156
Yes, that is what people lack to understand. No work will be shitter like FGO because all thosr works stay on their own place, even in terms of focus from Nasu.
Even extella stays at its own place. But FGO? No, it needs to become TM itself, fuck the others.

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Try to start talk about Case Files, one bite. Someone brings up FGO, REEEEEEE. I see where your priorities lie, /tmg/.

>>22401873
False and wrong. Apocrypha does plenty of things right and has a great cast overall. It's failing is that it focuses on none of this.

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>>22403304
>Someone brings up FGO, REEEEEEE. I see where your priorities lie, /tmg/.
FGO lives rent free in the heads of everyone in this general. Whether they realize it or not, FGO has already taken over their lives. They have lost.

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>>22331215
Finally watched this since second arc novels were translated.

Easily the best T-M series since KnK. Fuck FGO and grail wars so much.

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>>22393799
Reines and Olga were the best. Clock Tower really begs for a Harry Potter type of story about magic students.

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>>22403432
>FGO has already taken over their lives

Yeah because posting how a shit game is shit like twice a week = overtaking life.

FGOfags are so pathetic holy shit. You eat trash and pretend it's great.

The best part is that one day some other mobage is going to replace that shit and suddenly nobody will care about FGO at all. They can't even make a watchable anime from supposedly the best arc in the game and infinite budget.

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>>22403573
>Reines and Olga were the best.
Objectively correct. Sorry, Gray. Grey? Makes considering reading the novels kinda awkward, though. It's not like they're main characters.
I need a scene of Olga alone in her room after the team files out, freaking out over receiving praise. Something like pic but less controlled.

>>22396894
Oh huh, I'm recognizable.

>It was certainly a fun ride and is easily the best Fate TV anime since UBW to me.
Still gotta watch that.

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>>22403700
I like Gray and all but blind follower characters are just so boring.

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>>22403700
Yvette was also great.

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>>22403856
No argument here. Probably could have used more explanation for that devotion. Yes, yes, love, but why? I can guess, there's some hints, and it's probably explained further in the earlier books, but still.

>>22403948
...ehhhhh...of the characters I actually cared about, she was just about at the bottom. She looks and acts like a vocaloid or a VR idol or something; horribly out of place. That first shot of the class was a pretty big groaner.

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>>22403304
Posting a pic of one of the worse characters doesn't help. Even disregarding the only good characters, most of the designs and interpretations are trash, as well as their relation to the other cast members.

Now, I'll be the first to admit that Stay Night's cast was pretty dry in terms of servants interacting as servants, but I'll take ten Meduselesses over all of the black and red faction.

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>>22404278
Oh no, a bad opinion.
I'm not going to pretend the Apocrypha cast is really nuanced or well-written. What they ARE though, is really fucking fun.

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>>22403432
Anon, this is a Type Moon thread, if you haven't noticed.
FGO is a Type Moon game, again, if you haven't noticed.
And that FGO game is the flagman of TM, unfortunately.

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>>22404314
Heartily agree to disagree, cause Apocrypha is basically Transformers where there's no substance or actual character. Just explosions, yelling, and shitty military tactics.

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>>22404472
Oh, that's a low blow, that's a really low blow. But fine. I'm not up for a fight.

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>>22403304
>>22404314
>>22404651
I would agree with you if you weren't posting the most insulting character in the entire series. Like, post Shishigou, Mordred, Vlad, or any other character that isn't Sieg or Jeanne for that matter. Astolfo is so much FGO now that all its players seem to think he's an FGO original servant. His personality and character is so fitting to that game its disgusting. Whatever hack wrote Apoc predicted FGO with just this one character.

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>>22405542
>insulting
How?

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>>22404314
Strange Fake cast is fun
Apoc cast is a mess

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> kara no kyoukai movies
>72 gb
what? is there a smaller size batch release?

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>>22406778
Just dig deeper bro

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>>22406324
The designs are also far fucking better than the shit Apo has.

Granted, I have my own complaints about Strange Fake (the pacing, getting cucked on Archer Herc), but even then I can admit its leagues above Apocrypha.

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So we already had the december issue from compatiq with an interview with takeuchi, koha ace and etc. which is good for a change. I mean how many interviews were focused on fate go until now?
Anyway, do ya think it will have anything intetesting there? I am planning on buying if it happen to have something.

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>>22407710
Try to lower your expectations to be happier

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>>22407782
At this point, just focusing on koha ace would be enough.

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>>22407710
I'm more interested in that Aikatsu thingie.

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>>22407710
>interview with takeuchi
I wonder what other shit he'll say that will make me lose faith in him as an artist and content creator.

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Can you guys elaborate on the Miyama murder scene Shirou encounters on the 2nd day? So it's pretty much common knowledge that Lancer killed them as they're witnesses. However, the date doesn't make sense. What exactly are they supposed to witness? There's no battles that take place there. Out of 7 Servants, only Berserker, Lancer, Caster and Assassin were summoned at the moment (Archer too but Tohsaka didn't make any moves until the 2nd night). Between ufo UBW that shows a bit of Caster's backstory and HA, it's obvious that Bazett is still Lancer's Master during the raid on Galliasta's workshop (which is in Shinto). In HA she also said something about fighting Caster in Ryuudou (IIRC they also mentioned Assassin there but I'm not sure about that part). All of that happened way before "day 2". Since Caster and Assassin stay in the temple, that leaves only 2 possible fighters: Lancer and Berserker. Except it still doesn't make sense
1. Illya is more interested in Shirou than in eliminating everyone ASAP
2. She's more than capable of creating a bounded field around the "arena".
3. Kirei is aware of the Einzbern castle in the forest, he'd just send Lancer there.
4. Since the entire family except the kid was killed, it's more than likely "something" happened right outside their house, but the street doesn't look affected by a Servant battle. Especially considering that if Berserker was there, there'd be a lot more destruction in the area.

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>>22408628
I'm pretty sure that scene was set to give an air of mystery about the HGW.

In all the years this question has been pondered, there was never a real definite answer on WHY Lancer just killed some random family. Would have made more sense if Caster killed them, honestly.

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>>22408795
>>22408628
I had always assumed it was Rider, who was killing to harvest souls?

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>>22409181
Oh yeah, since we're on this topic: Did Rider rape Shirou?

I was rereading the HF mana and that scene made me think about the logistics of Rider trying to get mana from Shirou until I realized she could only do that in reality and not the dream. If she didn't, then how the fuck did she get mana from him?

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>>22409700
By making a spiritual connection, much like her boundary seals that she made at school. I mean, with those, she could absorb life energy from a big distance, without any touch. It wouldn't be hard to do with a sleeping Emiya having wet dreams.

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>>22410280
Damn, you right.

That's one disgusting theory I can put to rest.

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>>22408472
I doubt there can be anything he could say that can lower my opinion of him lower than it already is.

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>>22403856
>>22404049
The arc about Grey's village significantly fleshes out her character and gives you a better understanding of her. She's not just a blind follower; she has good reasons.