Touhou Lore

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Touhou Lore Anonymous Sun, Oct 13, 2019 18:17:42 No.22246419 [Reply] [Original]

It's time

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 13, 2019 18:24:59 No.22246464 Urumi and ringo have a lot of potential for lore

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 13, 2019 18:33:43 No.22246509 >>22246419 translate it weebs

N I G G E R S Sun, Oct 13, 2019 18:39:56 No.22246545 [DELETED]

The lack of blacks and jevvs on the Touhouverse subtly hints an parallel timeline where the axis powers won World War II and finished their ethnic cleansing, seeking an escape from this new world many scientists and businessmen join the "Dollhouse" project where they would enter a simulated reality free from modern hazards to live a simple life.

Many iterations after and thousand of minds lost in the sea of prototypes the project came to fruition, far from perfect due to the limits of computing power in the current silicon technology this fake paradise still holds enough wonder and grief to keep entertained the minds of those who submit to its 17 year old overseer.

Anonymous Sun, Oct 13, 2019 18:48:05 No.22246574

>>22246419
Gensokyo is a bad place and humans should burn it all down to the ground. Reimu is a terrible person for supporting it. The Youkai sages are pure evil.

There, now that i've gotten the facts out of the way. I think it's time for some fun speculation.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 13, 2019 18:56:10 No.22246614 This general again. Deja vu.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 13, 2019 19:08:41 No.22246698 File: 511 KB, 1828x1760, 1543593389605.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22246419 >It's time Is lore anon back?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 13, 2019 22:23:13 No.22247483 File: 139 KB, 907x851, 404yukari.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22246419 What's something in the series that you wish had more lore to it?

Anonymous Sun, Oct 13, 2019 22:24:01 No.22247484
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>>22246419
so how exactly did marisa go from a redhead to being a blonde?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 14, 2019 00:48:35 No.22248049 >>22247484 Dye

Anonymous Mon, Oct 14, 2019 02:53:41 No.22248423

>>22247483
Maybe it would have been more of a story arc than actual lore but i'm sad that the whole " yoshika miyako is actually the resurrected corpse of miyako no yoshika who's kasen's favorite poet and she would be fuck angry about it " wasn't addressed once

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 14, 2019 12:48:39 No.22250440 >>22247483 The Kusanagi currently in Rinnosuke's hand. That thing could be an entire incident on its own. There's also the magatama and the mirror. I mean they should exist somewhere shouldn't they?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 14, 2019 13:04:40 No.22250517 File: 274 KB, 1003x1340, the mom.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 180 kids

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 14, 2019 13:12:33 No.22250556 >>22247483 I want something interesting to happen anything

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 14, 2019 13:13:19 No.22250562 >>22250517 And none of them are mine, why even live.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 14, 2019 13:40:01 No.22250729 >>22247483 I'm frustrated to this day that Sanae STILL hasn't interacted with Rinnosuke. I guess that Anon that said Sumireko is Sanae but better really was right after all.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 14, 2019 13:47:24 No.22250769 >>22250729 I find it worse that the two outsider girls haven't interacted with each other. It's ZUN's worst tease.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 14, 2019 14:02:36 No.22250858 >>22250769 Yeah, that too.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 14, 2019 15:52:12 No.22251275 >>22246574 what about okina? she's a god sage

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 14, 2019 23:28:19 No.22253491 >>22246509 "The pleasure of being cummed inside"

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 15, 2019 02:22:52 No.22253981 >>22246698 Did you happen to get the Mamizou lore dump? That one was real interesting.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 15, 2019 02:24:28 No.22253985 >>22253491 anyone have the comic panel where a fairy is talking about how they feed off human semen?

Anonymous Tue, Oct 15, 2019 02:38:43 No.22254023

>>22250440
Wasn't it a bit of an incident already, didn't it cause an auspicious rainstorm around his shop? Also Keine uses all three treasures in her spellcards, Kusanagi too. Just one of those things like the three fairies found the flag planted on the moon which apparently fell to earth, but Eientei say they have the flag in BAiJR, and Clownpiece saw it on the moon. Come to think of it I'm disappointed the three fairies never commented on Clownpiece's clothes, didn't they hang the flag on the wall of their goddamn tree?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 15, 2019 09:31:39 No.22254942 >>22254023 He thought it did, but in reality it was just a fairy. The joke is he thought he was cool shut, but in reality is just a big nerd.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 15, 2019 09:53:10 No.22255059 File: 341 KB, 1080x1406, 1542951724524.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22253981 >>/jp/thread/S20287443 Right on the beggining on this thread, seems that the images are saved as well

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 15, 2019 12:00:48 No.22255734 Anyone can link the archive where that one anon connect each of the game plot with lore connection as the backstory?

Anonymous Tue, Oct 15, 2019 12:48:25 No.22255898

>>22254023
>didn't it cause an auspicious rainstorm around his shop?
Like the first anon said, that was a fairy.
On the other hand, Reimu also mentioned the downpour getting stronger at some point but that was brushed off rather quickly, so something MIGHT have happened.
>Also Keine
I'm pretty sure her spellcards are more references to the treasures and not actually the treasures themselves. Like Mokou's "Honest Man's Death" doesn't actually kill an honest man other than Iwakasa.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 15, 2019 13:20:11 No.22256067 >>22255734 You mean something beyond "kanako arrives, causes okuu to do stuff, which frees myouren people, which resulted in miko waking up"? I ask in case there was something more.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 15, 2019 19:07:04 No.22257676 >>22255734 >>22256067 Got you senpai >>/jp/thread/S18087595#p18091999 >>/jp/thread/S18087595#p18175535

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 15, 2019 19:15:53 No.22257736 >>22255059 hm. it'd be nice if a lot more of that was condensed into pictures. either way, this is a really helpful link for the info I'm compiling

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 16, 2019 02:43:21 No.22259414 >>20293706 Her wristbands are to make her stripey like a tanuki you dense motherfucker

Anonymous Wed, Oct 16, 2019 03:35:14 No.22259557

>>22257676
>Gensokyo is nothing but supernatural environmental experiment for a certain organization in Outside World called the Secret Sealing Club. It was found by Sumireko and popularized by Renko and Maribel throughout the centuries. Maribel offered herself to become the test subject of the experiment by exposing herself to Gensokyo's boundary and become it's Watcher, resulting her conversion into Yokai. The Dragon God is a machine-like being invented by the organization to create this illusion land in the beginning
>This experiment is called Touhou Project
Wat

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 16, 2019 03:53:06 No.22259600 File: 145 KB, 344x512, UMA.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22246698 Im reading Forbidden Scrollery now Im sorry for this

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 16, 2019 04:10:55 No.22259626 >>22259557 There is a fine line between lore discussion and headcanon.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 16, 2019 04:38:05 No.22259671 >>22259600 Is that you lore anon? >UMA delicia I had such a dignified mental image of you and it's all gone because of this mega shitty pun I love shitty puns though

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 16, 2019 08:17:34 No.22260342 >>22259600 I'm grinning like an idiot right now.

Anonymous Wed, Oct 16, 2019 20:16:24 No.22263278
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>>22259671
That's not me, I've consumed all official Touhou media out there already
I will be coming back with the last request an anon gave me, Okina
This weekend definitely
After that I'll take the first request that gets asked of me

Anonymous Wed, Oct 16, 2019 23:34:43 No.22264319

>>22257676
>EosD
Vlad Țepeș III Drăculești/Count Dracula - Responsible for turning the Scarlet sisters into vampire.

>PCB
Saigyou Houshi/Satou Norikiyo (西行法師/佐藤義清)- Yuyuko's father, also the famous poet who died and became the embodiment of Saigyou Ayakashi Tree.

>IaMP
Yamata no Orochi/Ibuki Daimyoujin (八岐大蛇/伊吹大明神)- Suika's father. Suggest her in a dream to find the other Oni so she wouldn't be lonely.

>IN
Sanuki no Miyatsuko (讃岐造) and Fujiwara no Fuhito (藤原不比等) Kaguya's adoptive father and Mokou's father. The former persuaded Kaguya to stay at Earth (only to run away from the Moon people) while the latter provoked Mokou to drink the Elixir of Immortality in his vengeful spirit form.

>PoFV
Enmaten (焔魔天) - The Ruler of Higan and Chief Judge of Hell. Responsible for creating Shikieiki from Jizou statue and employed Komachi under her.

>MoF
Takeminakata/Kouga Saburou (建御名方/甲賀三郎)- The original Ruler of Suwa region. Also the husband of Yasakatome no Kami/Kanako as Takeminakata and Moreya no Kami/Suwako as Kouga Saburou.

>SWR
Taishakuten (帝釈天) - The Lord of Heaven and Leader of the Celestials. Responsible for giving Tenshi the Sword of Hisou so she can create an incident that results territory expansion for Heaven.

>SA
Sarutahiko (猿田毘古) - Earthly kami who lead Ninigi to the land together with Yatagarasu and the ancestor of monkey-like youkai like Satori. Responsible for trapping Yatagarasu underground that results Kanako persuading Utsuho to eat it.

>UFO
Myouren (命蓮) - Byakuren's brother and the driving force behind her quest for immortality to avoid death.

>TD
Emperor Youmei (用明天皇) - Father of Prince Shoutoku/Miko and a relative to Soga clan. Responsible for introducing Taoism to the Soga and Mononobe before Seiga Kaku came in.

>HM
Hata no Kawakatsu/Taikou Daimyoujin (秦河勝/対抗大明神)- The creator and father figure for Hata no Kokoro. Responsible for throwing away the Mask of Hope so she could stand on her own emotionally.

>DDC
Urikohime (瓜子姫) - The Princess that Shinmyoumaru sworn to protect in the past, only to get murdered accidentally by Seija.

>LoLK
Feng Meng/Houmou (逢蒙) - Hou Yi's apprentice and responsible for his death with the collaboration of Han Zhou and Xuan Qi/Junko. He's also the only one who try to rob the Elixir of Immortality from Chang'e/Jouga, resulting her drank the said Elixir and become immortal, and Junko's erratic pursue on her.

>HSiFS
Shinra Myoujin (新羅明神) - The Mysterious Deity of Miidera Temple and the main rival of Matarajin/Okina. Not wanting to lose his status as Secret God, he goaded and challenged Okina to reveal herself on Gensokyo in order to win a bet between them.

Anonymous Wed, Oct 16, 2019 23:36:00 No.22264324

>>22257676
>>22264319
>ULiL
Usami Clan (宇佐美氏/宇佐見氏} - They're samurai clan differing branch of Ito clan and Kudo clan. The only known members are Usami Sadamitsu (宇佐美定満), a general of Uesugi clan, and Usami Sukemochi (宇佐美祐茂), Head of the Usami clan at Izu in Heian period. Possible ancestor of Sumireko and Renko.

>AoCM
Kisshōten (吉祥天) and Kokuanten (黒闇天) - The original Goddess Fortune/Blessing and Misfortune/Disaster. Both sisters are mother figure of Jo'on and Shion respectively. Tired of of their daughters always messing around, they told them to take a vacation in Gensokyo and attend Primsriver + Raiko concert. Little did they know, that their daughters already hatched a plan for having their own fun in Gensokyo.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 17, 2019 00:48:00 No.22264721 >>22263278 That'll be interesting. I want to know why people say she's a sex goddess or whatever.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 17, 2019 00:57:43 No.22264759 File: 1.77 MB, 2007x1422, 1547112342864.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] what's her endgame

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 17, 2019 02:20:53 No.22265093 >>22264319 >Vlad Țepeș III Drăculești/Count Dracula - Responsible for turning the Scarlet sisters into vampire. Literally bullshit Remi made up then again this whole post is nonsense so eh

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 17, 2019 02:43:30 No.22265147 >>22265093 I thought she only lied for being descendant of Dracula

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 17, 2019 03:20:29 No.22265262 >>22265147 yes, said poster actually made bullshit up on top of what was literally canon bullshit

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 17, 2019 04:26:04 No.22265449 >>22265093 >>22265147 >>22265262 Stop having a tantrum here and go to warosu to complain to the original post instead >>/jp/thread/S18087595#p18091999

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 17, 2019 06:30:45 No.22265687 >>22265449 not quite autistic enough to go to the ghost board to leave replies to a post two years old but thanks

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 17, 2019 12:02:18 No.22266947 >>22265449 I mean, you're reposting that, so don't be a chicken and take some responsibility. It's only three replies anyway.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 17, 2019 12:08:52 No.22266967 >>22254023 There are a lot of USA flags in the moon, didn't you know?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 17, 2019 19:01:16 No.22268886 test

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 17, 2019 21:04:02 No.22269430 >>22253491 danke schön

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 17, 2019 21:10:18 No.22269452 why do /jp/ hate lore so much?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 17, 2019 21:15:00 No.22269471 >>22269452 they don't though

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 17, 2019 21:15:09 No.22269472 >>22269452 Who's this /jp/ person?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 17, 2019 22:36:12 No.22269793 >>22269472 The superplayer know as jay pee

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 17, 2019 22:56:15 No.22269867 >>22269452 There's a difference between lore and headcanon.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 17, 2019 23:10:40 No.22269947 >>22269452 /jp/ is unironically full of secondaries except for maybe like 3 anons that are obsessed with the lore

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 17, 2019 23:15:46 No.22269967 >>22269947 where are the primaries then?

Anonymous Thu, Oct 17, 2019 23:20:50 No.22269992

Someone please explain why there are humans in the beast realm. If the yama sentenced a human to the beast realm for their sins, I thought they'd be reincarnated as a beast or something, not just sent to the zoo. Am I grossly misunderstanding how these afterlives work? Or is ZUN having a giggle because humans are technically animals, it does sound like the humans are lumped in with other primates down there.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 17, 2019 23:26:11 No.22270011 >>22269947 >/jp/ is unironically full of secondaries who think they aren't ftfy

Anonymous Thu, Oct 17, 2019 23:37:22 No.22270053

>>22269992
the english translations went back and forth between the terms human and primate a few times so it wouldn't be completely wrong to say the human spirits are really just primate spirits
plus we're already on the food chain so it wouldn't be a stretch to say we're not animals but i think thats outside of lore dicussion

Anonymous Thu, Oct 17, 2019 23:40:03 No.22270067

>>22269992
Ah, right. Allow me to answer this. In Touhou, the afterlife is based on Buddhism. This is due to Japan receiving a lot of influence from China back in the day. But moving on to explaining the 'animal realm.'

When you die, you can essentially be sent to one of 6 realms depending on how much of a shithead you were. The bottom is Hell, of which there are multiple. Next is the Preta realm. You might recognize Preta from SMT. You may also recognize the name from some of Youmu's spellcards in Touhou 7! After this is the animal realm, where the game takes place.

Then, it is the Asura realm. After that is the Human realm, which is basic reincarnation.Then, finally, Deva realm, which is essentially heaven.

Reincarnation from hell happens once all of a sinner's bad karma has been burned away. This is known as Samsara, the eternal cycle of reincarnation. (Yet another thing you might recognize from SMT.) I should also note that even those of the Deva realm are not immune to Samsara. Also, the whole point of Buddhism is to break this cycle and reach nothingness.

As for why ZUN decided on the animal realm? The whole controversy regarding Kemono Friends season 2 got him thinking about animals. That's literally it.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 00:15:27 No.22270209 >>22270053 Well, the primate garden part is a little unclear to me but when Mayumi's talking about human spirits down there, it's pretty clearly human spirits.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 00:18:49 No.22270226 >>22270067 that's very clear now, thanks.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 00:21:55 No.22270244 >>22270067 Oh, so you only reincarnate after serving your time in the animal realm (or wherever you're sent)? Thanks.

Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 00:35:25 No.22270294

>>22270226
>>22270244
Glad to help, even though looking back I think I may have misinterpreted your question a bit.

The 'Animal Realm' is something that the Human Realm can actually interact with in traditional Buddhism. Basically, literal animals in the real world. People -are- reincarnated into animals. However, based on what I've seen about the newest game, ZUN has the 'animal realm' as an entirely separate place. (I haven't actually gone through the game yet, just explaining the animal realm from my knowledge of buddhism, so correct me if I'm wrong.)

This would technically fall in line with how Touhou works, with supernatural and religious things falling out of common sense and into myth. Essentially, because Samsara has fallen out of the real world's perception of reality, the realms likewise have entered the world of imagination alongside Gensokyo, Makai, etc. This is just my interpretation and speculation from what I do know about the plot, of course. I could be totally wrong.

Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 00:44:38 No.22270340

>same number of wings as Shinki
>Shinki is confirmed the strongest 2hu ever
>Shinki dies, reincarnates as a weak fairy because she's sick of being so strong
>is still the strongest fairy anyway because it's in her nature
>ironically claims she's the strongest but nobody believes her because she's just a dumb ice fairy

Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 00:45:47 No.22270345
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>>22270340
Cirno's ice wings really don't make sense. Not only does she have 6 of them and can even apparently change the number of them (when most standard fairies are limited to 2 no matter what) but they don't actually attach to her back like other fairies.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 00:47:41 No.22270349 >>22270340 Please do not misuse the quote function. When listing items the correct way to do it is to use bullets or dashes - like this • or this

Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 00:50:06 No.22270360
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if you want a real piece of lore about cirno:
she's not creating freezing air out of nothing, she's actually absorbing heat, making her surrounding cooler. Her body is abnormally hot when she uses that ability.

Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 00:51:03 No.22270363
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>>22270349
Your message means nothing when 4chan moderators are doing the same thing and ban people on /jp/ for posting that dumb "who are you quoting" outdated forced meme.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 00:53:20 No.22270367 nobody cares about cirno but you kog kog pls leave

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 00:56:42 No.22270380 >>22270367 who kog

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 00:57:55 No.22270382 >>22270380 King of gaming

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 01:00:19 No.22270392 >>22270363 I honestly don't remember who are you quoting being posted so goddamn much in years past.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 01:01:34 No.22270397 >>22270380 This guy: https://www.youtube.com/user/kingofgets He's the only person on 4chan who ever talks about Cirno anymore

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 01:02:10 No.22270398 >>22270345 Are we sure fairy wings attach to their backs? While it appears that way, I don't think we've ever observed evidence of such and it would be cumbersome to get dressed.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 01:02:46 No.22270404 >>22270392 It only started being posted ad infinitum after 2016fags came and decided to stay.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 01:04:27 No.22270413 >>22270397 how can one person have the same waifu for so long

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 01:06:06 No.22270422 >>22270413 Because he's legit crazy

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>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 01:10:19 No.22270444 >>22270397 idk i get interesting in the idiot fairy too mostly because there's some absolutely weird ass shit involved with her, but KoG fucked everything up for everyone.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 01:13:16 No.22270452 >>22270397 wow thanks for that piece of lore as well i guess

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 01:15:11 No.22270459 >>22247483 I want to know the connection between Renko and Sumireko. I'd also like to see some Makai stuff again.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 01:16:02 No.22270462 >>22270444 Yeah, whenever someone tries to bring up Cirno being their waifu, either KoG shows up and challenges them or some KoG defender shows up to defend him This Cirno monopoly needs to end

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 01:45:14 No.22270522 File: 588 KB, 984x1440, outside world.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >between visiting the outside world and the lunar capital ...When does Reimu goes to the outside world?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 01:46:29 No.22270525 >>22270522 She briefly went in Urban Legend in Limbo to bring the pain to some dork.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 01:47:02 No.22270527 >>22270067 >The whole controversy regarding Kemono Friends season 2 got him thinking about animals. That's literally it. Source of this

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 01:51:38 No.22270541 File: 116 KB, 945x1417, 1514900165036.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22270522 Drugie-kun was surprisingly funny. Too bad he only stayed for two chapters.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 01:53:00 No.22270545 >>22270527 It was an interview he did recently. I would have to dig it up and it's rather late. I can try looking tomorrow if some anon doesn't find it before me.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 01:54:45 No.22270550 >>22270525 Oh I see thanks Now I got the idea, do you think ZUN would make a touhou game in were the incident happens in the outside world so reimu has to travel there, in the danmaku fight the background are Tokyo's skycrapers

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 01:57:23 No.22270556 >>22270545 thanks in advance

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 02:01:06 No.22270576 >>22270556 >recent interview Nevermind, it was quite a while ago. At least before Cannonball released, for reference. Which is still not long ago, but after the game itself released. So there's the timeframe if anyone can find it.

Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 02:01:14 No.22270577

>>22270550
well
the beast metropolis has skycrapers and all
and i'm strongly convinced that it's a way for ZUN to do exactly what you said without fucking up the lore or making the incident look too important. (i'm sure that reimu actually going outside to break some shit would be a big deal, reimu only went there for a stage in ULiL it didnt "felt" like a big deal, in a shmup it would)
also the beast metropolis might open a way for ZUN to make the characters encounter modern life like starbucks without doing as previously mentionned.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 02:02:26 No.22270583 >>22270550 Don't use the special surprise box like that.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 02:02:56 No.22270586 File: 584 KB, 1280x720, Outside World.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22270550

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 02:03:50 No.22270590 >>22270577 Man, Reimu going outside doing some danmaku in skycrapers would be cool as shit, but you are right

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 02:09:08 No.22270604 >>22270586 I mean in a shmup game anon

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 03:02:20 No.22270718 >>22270583 You're not my dad.

Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 03:28:39 No.22270766

>>22270067
Can someone fill me in on the Kemono Friends controversy? All I know is that the original creator didn't get brought on for the second season, and the next show runner was being an dickhead to people online, so everyone swore off the show henceforth. I really don't know the details, like what the new showrunner said online or why the creator wasn't brought on. Also, did I get the gist of what the controversy even was?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 04:43:13 No.22270897 >>22270067 >Buddhism This makes me think, why characters like Asura or Karura have not appeared yet?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 08:42:03 No.22271825 >>22270897 All in good time I would say. ZUN still has a lot of things he can draw from. And from the sound of it, he's going to be making games into his 80s if he can.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 12:44:13 No.22273286 Does Reimu still have a nuclear-powered maid robot gathering dust in the shrine basement?

Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 14:38:52 No.22273835

Reading through Silent sinner in blue I got a little dissapointing in Reimu's powers ( I only played 6, 7, 8, 9 and 15) and got an idea about how powerful is Reimu from the fanbase, games, memes and the wiki, now when I decided to read the print works Reimu is kinda nerfed or something, the only time I saw her doing something was on FS with the guy that coverted himself in youkai
How powerful is Reimu actually?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 14:48:51 No.22273871 >>22273835 Yorihime is what Reimu would be if she isn't a failure at life

Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 18:07:55 No.22275020

>>22273835
>How powerful is Reimu actually?
Varies heavily depending on her level of focus and how seriously she's taking things. She's way weaker when she's fighting for money or fame or something. When she's motivated and her mind is completely clear she's a nightmare.

Yorihime is basically Workaholic Space-God Reimu. Not only does that mean she's really strong, it means that Reimu kinda empathises with her and feels guilty about causing her trouble for no reason.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 18:13:39 No.22275048 >>22275020 >She's a nightmare When does this happens?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 18:14:52 No.22275054 >>22275048 Grimoire of Marisa?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 18:25:56 No.22275105 >>22275054 Ok ill read that Also I have heard that Reimu can "escape from reality" when does this happens?

Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 18:36:20 No.22275149

>>22273871
Doubt it. You still need to take into consideration age gap between them.
>>22275105
>when does this happens
Technically, never. The whole "escape from reality" thing is nothing but Kenshiro's homage and exist only as a bonus spellcard, move in fightning games or in mentioned Grimoire.

Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 18:58:59 No.22275272

>>22275048
You know those martial arts where you never actually hit your opponent that hard, but can make them hurt themselves by slightly redirecting their blows as they try to attack you? "The storm will shatter the sturdy oak but not the flexible willow"?

Reimu has an uncanny ability to "go with the flow", naturally reaching her endgoal through the path of least resistance. Taoists call this "wei wu wei" - action through inaction. She's actually less effective when she's thinking about what she's doing, because then she's straying from this path.

In Curiosities of Lotus Asia, Marisa gets annoyed at Reimu for dodging all her bullets. Reimu genuinely doesn't understand what Marisa is saying, insisting that she stood still and Marisa's bullets curved around her.

In Eastern and Little Nature Deity, the fairies use an illusion to trick Reimu into walking into a river. She doesn't notice the illusion... and as a result she walks across the river as if it were dry land, because fish rise up under her feet to support her.

Grimoire of Marisa suggests that when Reimu "teleports" a few feet, from her perspective she was moving normally and only travelled an inch to get there.

It's also come up a few times that Reimu is capable of unravelling barriers as if they're not there, including ones that are beyond Marisa's and Patchouli's abilities to destroy.

Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 19:10:21 No.22275320
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>>22273835
basically everything that >>22275020 & >>22275272 said is accurate

Don't forget that Yorihime was *designed* by ZUN to be anti-reimu, an archetyp that he was trying to create since PCB (youmu is basically proto Yorihime and Sanae is the final result) she's extremely strong, way more than most of the cast. It's ok for Reimu to lose against her, she was *designed* to win that fight.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 19:13:51 No.22275333 these threads should be renamed to sperging and autism general

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 19:51:35 No.22275481 >>22275333 Fuck off cutesokyocancer

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 21:01:20 No.22275848 How really strong Yorihime is?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 21:08:23 No.22275879 How Yorihime strong is really?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 21:10:13 No.22275893 >>22275879 Dude Im driving, im sorry ok?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 21:16:51 No.22275927 >>22275893 Then what the fuck are you doing on 4chan?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 21:18:23 No.22275931 >>22275927 Traffic lights are boring

Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 21:26:28 No.22275974
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>>22275272
>In Curiosities of Lotus Asia, Marisa gets annoyed at Reimu for dodging all her bullets. Reimu genuinely doesn't understand what Marisa is saying, insisting that she stood still and Marisa's bullets curved around her.

Ahaha, aww, she is so cute!
I love how easy going Reimu is. I just want to eat popsicles with her on hot summer days and spend hot summer nights with her.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 21:33:16 No.22276003 >>22275879 She summons gods to foil everyone's spell cards and instantaneously knows which one works best at any given time. She made pretty short work of everyone in the comic with Blue in the name.

Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 21:35:10 No.22276014

>>22275272
So, this actually has to do with her 'Ability to Float.' 'Floating' in this case, many people would associate with simply the ability to fly. And I believe for a while, this was how her 'Ability' was translated. 'The ability to fly.' However, 'floating' has a few different implications. It allows her to physically float, but also to metaphorically float through life. The example of the bullets curving around her is a good example of this. Another would be an instance in the fairy manga where they try to trick Reimu into walking into a pond. Yet, not even known to her, a bridge of carp would form at her feet and allow her to cross without ever knowing she was in danger of falling. Much to the surprise of the fairies of course.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 21:41:39 No.22276042 >>22275879 Her chuuni level is pretty high.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 21:42:08 No.22276045 >>22276003 How can Reimu win against her now?

Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 22:26:26 No.22276243
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>>22275879
ZUN described it as cheating, she invokes gods and her powers IS the power of the god she invokes, like if she invokes amaterasu she becomes as strong as amaterasu, she can uses her 100%. because of that she has almost no ceiling to how strong she can be.

But reimu can still win with musou tensei since it's basically the equivalent of an angry 8yo crying " i win because i've decided so. " There's no counter to that.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 18, 2019 22:31:12 No.22276265 >>22275149 Please don't pretend fantasy nature isn't canon if that's what you're trying to say, it is. It ties with her ability to float in life. The whole broken ass spellcard of fantasy nature is just the extension of what she does everyday.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Oct 19, 2019 01:28:35 No.22276893 I just want to say the Horismriver pun is amazing and I wonder if ZUN named Raiko that way four goddamn years earlier with the pun in mind or if it just worked out beautifully.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Oct 19, 2019 04:55:42 No.22277625 File: 16 KB, 160x198, x21_1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why is Letty giving Cirno this stare?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Oct 19, 2019 05:07:11 No.22277649 >>22277625 https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Bohemian_Archive_in_Japanese_Red/Letty

Anonymous Sat, Oct 19, 2019 13:48:15 No.22280192

>>22276045
It doesn't come naturally to Yukari like it does to Reimu, but she's a strong believer in the power of Wei Wu Wei herself ( >>22275272 ).

That is, Yukari knows that if she picks a fight with the Watatsukis she'll lose. So instead of coming up with a plan where she gains the advantage by winning, she comes up with one where she gains the advantage by *losing*. Yukari is fully willing to throw away her pride to achieve her goals - that, far more than her gap powers, is one of the things that makes her so dangerous.

Anonymous Sat, Oct 19, 2019 15:25:36 No.22280701
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>>22270766
Oeiginally, Kemono Friends was envisioned as a multimedia franchise: a mobage, a manga, and an accompanying anime. The anime was the last of the three to release, having come out after the manga ended and when the mobage bad just been shut down. It was a surprise hit and a rapidly growing phenomenon in Japan. For the whole year it aired, KF was perhaps all Japan cared about. The creator of the anime was Yaoyorozu, a tiny studio with no renown. KF's success had rocketed their popularity, but on 9/25 the director was fired for unknown reasons. This event caused massive backlash and caused Yoshizaki Mine, the creator of the series, to go radio silent. Eventually, Yaoyorozu was replaced by a new studio, called Tomason, and a sequel anime was spearheaded by another company, Age Global Network. This new studio also had little renown, but unlike Yaoyorozu, had literally no experience with 3D animation. With many production problems, Mine taking a direct control over the story with little input from the director, and a myriad of other things, KF2 managed to air at the same time as Yaoyorozu's new show, Kemurikusa. It becomes apparent by the end of the season how much of a grudge upper management and Mine held against Yaoyorozu, as many story retcons, overall poor execution of story plotlines, and how beloved characters get treated even on a metacontextual narrative get treated to absolutely shitty fates. It reached a point where KF2's last episode managed to become the lowest rated episode of all time on NND. I could be more specific on why it's bad, but you'd really need to see and compare the original KF anime to KF2, which most people don't even take as canon anymore due to how it shits over everything that comes before it to beat off over how great Mine's ugly as fuck self-insert is and how Kaban is a dumb loser who killed her best friend and is slowly dying and can do nothing but watch a reincarnation of her bestie NTR her and be forced to smile the whole time. Also AGN staff has literal links to Yakuza, insults fans, and are generally shit people who need to get Kyoani'd.

Anonymous Sat, Oct 19, 2019 15:50:10 No.22280813
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>>22280701
To be more specific, the producer Hosoya was being a horribly spiteful shit on Twitter, posting a death memorial to Tatsuki, generally being rude to fans, etc. The same applies to the director of KF2, I forget his name. He'd ban anyone who said KF2 was bad from his Twitter account, came off as gloating in interviews and some other shit. Really, the main controversy concerning KF2 was how it shit on everything that came before it and how awful it was in terms of production despite the larger budget and how everyone involved seemed to be shit people. Essentially, the entire situation regarding KF is akin to finding a goose that lays golden eggs, killing the goose because you wanted more eggs more quickly, replacing the goose with a gosling and then forcing the gosling to lay eggs despite it not being able to, only to accidentally cause the gosling to shit its entire skeleton out of its body, then blaming the original goose for causing all your problems while smashing the golden eggs it laid for you because you really hate that fucking golden egg-laying goose for making better eggs than you.

At the very least, KF seems to be on its last leg, Mine's been relegated back to doing only character designs, and Sega seems like it wants to do KF justice. The entire situation is incredibly bizarre. I'd totally recommend checking the anime out though, if you like cute kemonomimi, quality worldbuilding through visuals and subtle hints, and thick 3DCG asses and thighs.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Oct 19, 2019 16:17:55 No.22280971 >>22280701 >>22280813 I can find the image myself, but it's gonna bother the hell out of me that you used Kaban-nyan 1 and 3, and not 1 and 2 for a 2 part post.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Oct 19, 2019 16:32:38 No.22281088 >>22280813 >thick 3DCG asses and thighs Gross.

Anonymous Sat, Oct 19, 2019 16:50:24 No.22281211
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>>22280971
It's because Kaban-nyan 02 is Kaban-chan nude with her legs spread wide open showing off her puffy loli body and the anal bead cat tail firmly up her butt and Kaban-nyan 04 is Kaban having stomach bulging domestication while on catnip with her fat, faceless, bald ojiisan master wearing a Serval mask. For whatever reason, after inaba31415 and ransusan drew Kaban as a (super lewd) cat girl, all the artists who usually draw Kaban followed suit.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Oct 19, 2019 17:05:01 No.22281298 >>22281088 Cmon anon I know you'll change your opinion if you see it

>>	Anonymous Sat, Oct 19, 2019 17:05:12 No.22281301 >>22281211 Understandable. Have a nice day.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Oct 19, 2019 18:17:43 No.22281645 Why would a villager be scared of going to the shrine when its filled by youkai, would the youkai try to eat him or something? Lets say that you get teleported to gensokyo and now you are a villager, would you be scared of youkai?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Oct 19, 2019 18:21:53 No.22281663 >>22281645 yes

>>	Anonymous Sat, Oct 19, 2019 18:22:08 No.22281666 File: 731 KB, 997x1441, img000004.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22281645 Read print works.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Oct 19, 2019 18:33:13 No.22281719 >>22281666 But thats what im doing Satan, thats why im asking

Anonymous Sat, Oct 19, 2019 19:14:12 No.22281920

>>22280701
Man it was more detailed than I thought. That is absolutely nuts. I actually watched the first season and loved it. I kept making the joke that it's just Touhou but the girls are animals instead of yokai. I tried to watch a few episodes of season 2 that showed up on the Kemono Friends youtube channel, but I could tell two episodes in that it was missing something. I noticed that every upload was getting downvoted into oblivion though which seemed a little strange. I guess I understand the full context of that now. Thank you anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 01:18:01 No.22283520 File: 44 KB, 320x401, 1571246887456.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22277649 >Yuyuko's interview

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 03:29:03 No.22283838 >>22283520 if you're going to post in /jp/, at least don't let your crossboarder-isms show

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 08:53:44 No.22284726 File: 129 KB, 640x426, 1570144068861.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22283838 I specifically choose that image for that reason

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 14:21:02 No.22286329 >>22281663 They would eat the villagers?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 14:22:49 No.22286335 File: 120 KB, 1000x800, __saigyouji_yuyuko_touhou_drawn_by_minust__289542bafd548b7dbbe0d7f069a976ec.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So why did yuyuko die again? I forgot the exact reason why since it has been a while since I played PCB

Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 14:25:53 No.22286353
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>>22286329
that's what the villagers are thinking anyway, whether if it's actually true or not is blurry.
as I recall, actual man-eater youkai are fed by yukari with outside worlds humans who already had a death wish, and yukari works hard for the humans to be scared of youkai, you know the whole "balance" thingy.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 14:27:03 No.22286355 >>22286335 she killed herself because she was disgusted by her own power to manipulate death

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 15:14:22 No.22286604 >>22286355 Didn't she killed herself to seal the youkai tree?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 15:18:21 No.22286626 File: 972 KB, 999x1440, x22.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22286353 What would happen if a villager came at this place?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 15:29:59 No.22286663 >>22286626 Nothing because you have all of Gensokyo's greatest youkai hunters gathered there.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 15:31:38 No.22286672 >>22265449 >tantrum what

Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 15:36:23 No.22286696

>>22270067
>The whole controversy regarding Kemono Friends season 2 got him thinking about animals. That's literally it.
Really?

Not that I can't believe it, I just haven't looked at any interviews on the game and I don't remember noticing anything in the omake.txt (not that I looked at much)

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 15:49:43 No.22286751 >>22286604 her death sealed it for sure, I don't remember if she did it on purpose or not, don't take my word for it on that case but she was disgusted by her own power and killed herself because of that for sure, so maybe both ?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 15:52:22 No.22286767 File: 587 KB, 859x359, Screen Shot 2019-10-20 at 12.51.24 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22286696 After I read that original comment I see this every time now...

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 15:53:11 No.22286769 File: 254 KB, 468x900, Mayumi_67.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22286767 yet mayumi is a haniwa. The confusion was real when I first saw her though

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 15:55:40 No.22286781 >>22263278 I've been looking forward to you to making good on this all weekend!

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 15:56:15 No.22286784 >>22273835 Reimu is bullshit but Lunarians are triple bullshit. Dig?

Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 15:56:33 No.22286787

>>22286626
the villager would be pranked and scared af but he probably won't die, don't worry

touhou has a lot of dark stuff within it's lore but it's not a world where people die at every corner like a dark fantasy or something. grim stuff happen sometimes (twice in FS) but i guess these are exceptions, not the norm.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 15:59:06 No.22286793 >>22275272 That last one, indeed I can recall at least twice where Reimu basically just cheats past seals with extremely simple methods

Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 16:04:50 No.22286818

>>22276243
Not exactly. Reimu can *survive* indefinitely that way, but she can't necessarily "win" and it's possible that Yorihime could out-bullshit her and drag her back into reality to stop her. Who knows? There's probably a god for that.

>>22275879
Very strong. Her, her sister, and basically all Lunarians are as strong as it gets in Touhou, except for I think Hecatia and *possibly* Okina. Okina is a really big deal. Eiki/yamas in general are also way up there, these absolute type power players.

Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 16:17:41 No.22286859

>>22286818
that's interesting, i didn't think about that, indeed it may be possible for yorihime to counter musou tensei.
musou tensei isn't a godly power though, that's the hakurei's own power. I wonder if it can be countered at all, when she goes out of reality she doesn't go in another weird pocket dimension or anything she litteraly goes out of the game. Her reality bending power influctuate on gensokyo (and anything related, the moon) itself, it's weird meta bullshit, broken af. Cheating levels of broken. the winner depends on how you approach the canon, i guess there's no true answer.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 16:29:30 No.22286892 File: 503 KB, 1483x644, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How inaccurate is this

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 16:32:07 No.22286898 >>22286892 Kasen and Tenshi canonically overpower Reimu. Reimu even had to spam Fantasy seal against Kasen.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 16:34:18 No.22286908 >>22286898 But that was Perfect 100% SSGSS Kasen Blanco, not regular Kasen.

Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 16:37:44 No.22286920

>>22286818
On the other hand though, bullet hell isn't a battle of strength. Spell cards are a battle of who can be the most beautiful and dodging is one means of winning. Have you ever triad playing the game without shooting? Each spell card has a timer that, even without shooting back, will end and you can win just by not losing. This concept is what keeps Gensokyo from being a strong prey on the weak society as, theoretically, it allows the weak to play evenly against the stronger yokai. Reimu having infinite dodge almost guarantees her victory against pretty much everyone in terms of spell card battling. She's practically the Saitama of Touhou.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 16:38:29 No.22286925 >>22286892 hecatia is THAT strong?

Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 16:48:35 No.22286973

>>22286920
Well no, it's because of the rules that Reimu can't use her power to win, that would be cheating. Marisa explicitly gave her natural ability a name and time limit in order to have it be legitimate in the rules. Also only Gensokyo has to abide by the rules. In games and works where they don't fight in Gensokyo, it's implied that they request to use spell card rules, or as the case is in SSiB they explicitly ask, but in theory spell cards are never necessary to enforce when not in Gensokyo. See: the end of WaHH, in which Kasen is threatening to kill Reimu, actually kill her, and they do not use danmaku to fight.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 16:59:15 No.22287021 >>22286892 Didn't Reimu need the spirit to beat Keiki anyways? In the extra she barely tires Saki, who claims Keiki is even stronger At least within the animal realm she has a lot of faith, along with the ability to create gods

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 17:02:53 No.22287037 >>22286925 ZUN said that yes, she is.

Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 17:10:18 No.22287077

>>22286892
I would put Yukari higher. Maybe not SStier but she's very strong, and we never saw the actual extent of her powers so far. When she looses she does it on purpose.
The border between dream & reality is the very core of touhou, like it's "main" deep theme, and her being able to manipulate it makes her a special character.

Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 17:23:53 No.22287157

>>22287077
We've seen Yukari's limits plenty of times, including in narration from her own perspective. There are rules on when and where she can place her gaps, she needed the help of multiple heavyweight characters to construct the Barrier, she's afraid of getting into fights where her victory isn't 100% guaranteed, and sometimes when she acts like she knows what's going on she's just bluffing to trick you into telling her what you know.

Yukari is still strong, but the most impressive description of her powers in-setting was explicitly edited by Yukari herself. And in her introduction she herself says that cunning is a greater strength than weird powers.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 17:29:25 No.22287175 >>22287157 >There are rules on when and where she can place her gaps wow I missed that i guess please tell me where i can find this

Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 18:10:15 No.22287378

>>22286892
Okina moves to SS/SSS. Going by her origin, she'd be somewhere in that range.
Tenshi moves to A. Suika is stronger than her, but she's extremely powerful.
Mima, Eirin, Yuyuko, Junko, and Reimu move down to B. Yuuka is supposedly extremely powerful on top of being old. I would leave all the oni and Yukari in A, including adding Yuugi.
Shinki and Keiki might be A. Sagume might be B.

Obviously not 100% but I think it's closer to correct.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 18:11:21 No.22287386 File: 1.21 MB, 1264x973, __ibuki_suika_touhou_drawn_by_furorina__5dda625b5378454c29145547f2021165.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Suika is an oni so shes strong anyway. Tenshi as well but remove the oni part and make her a celestial

Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 18:25:18 No.22287449
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It bothers me how people think that Yuyuko's gluttony is only a product of IN. Yuyuko is a glutton, and this is no secondary meme. I want this post to bring together all the instances of her being interested in or obsessed with food.

>PCB, 2003
That's right, in her very first appearance, so long as you get a 1CC with Reimu A you can see Yuyuko chomping down on a large spread of food like the fatass she is. She is also eating in Sakuya B, and in Marisa B she is holding a feast though I don't really count that, it's more of a flower-viewing party.
>IaMP, 2004
Yuyuko won't shut up about tea. Admittedly, this is mostly a heavy-handed metaphor.
>IN, 2004
Yuyuko compares nearly every boss to food and wants to eat them.
>BAiJR, 2005
Yuyuko's article has her bringing up the food they're eating and needling Aya about the manjuu she isn't eating, asking about it in that way that one employs when they are "politely" trying to say "hey if you aren't going to eat that, I will".
>PoFV, 2005
In Youmu's ending, Yuyuko explains that Eiki asked for Yuyuko to teach Youmu more. Unsure of what she should do, Yuyuko decides that lesson 1 will be learning how to pour some delicious tea.
>Seasonal Dream Vision, 2005
Yuyuko mentions how she can't remember yesterday's breakfast, but more importantly she stole sakuramochi she found from a cupboard for her meeting with Yukari. She mourns how she forgot to bring tea.
>SSiB, 2007
Yuyuko is impatient with how long the moon-viewing dango is taking to prepare. When going to Remilia's party, she explains to Sakuya that she decided to go there and not to the shrine because the party had food. At the party, she EATS (a lot, and is the only one shown to be eating, though Cirno at least *has* food).
>SWR, 2008
Yuyuko's first thought upon seeing Iku (an oarfish) is to remember that oarfish are usually grilled plain or with onions sauce. In versus dialogue, she also wants to try peach nectar.
>CiLR, 2009
In the final chapter, when seeing the huge amount of food Reimu has before her on the moon, Yuyuko tells Youmu she's jealous that she can't eat such vast feasts every day. Notably, Youmu says in response "I don't think even you could eat that much", suggesting in-universe the person closest to Yuyuko is well aware that her master is a fucking fatty.
>HM, 2014
When she's in the background you can see Yuyuko being endlessly fed riceballs by Youmu.
>AFiEU, 2017
Yuyuko's article is a gourmet article. She is explicitly called a big gourmet and a big eater in the preface, flat-out. Note this is HER article, not an article by Aya on her. AFiEU has a several ads, articles, and stories by user submission. Tenshi also has a food article, actually.

The instances where Yuyuko appears significantly and is referred to in detail but do NOT have mention of food or drink are STB, PMiSS, Soku, TD (all she does here is offer tea to the protagonists who are not Youmu), and WBaWC. That makes for 5 out of 16 cases where her foodlust is unmentioned or referenced. In 11 titles where she's actually around for more than just a cameo, she reminds people that she loves food. She also has cameos though, yes, and I wouldn't be surprised if whenever you found her she was eating. She usually cameos during party appearances after all.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 18:28:26 No.22287461 File: 33 KB, 900x900, kikkoman-shoyu_dark-soy-sauce-1l_900x.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22287449 >onions sauce not onion, shoyu that is wordfiltered, because /v/ is shit

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 18:36:59 No.22287495 >>22287175 He may be referring to how Yukari cannot casually go to the moon, she needs to do so on a specific day at a specific place with a specific placeMENT of a gap

Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 18:37:27 No.22287498

>>22287175
It's not like they're spelled out, but we know that some things are just beyond her power. She can only travel to the moon at a certain time of month (and only by using its reflection as a medium), and has to navigate the path to the Lunar Capital on foot. In SWR she's incapable of gapping directly to Tenshi, and has to make multiple trips. There are also cases where other characters have interfered with her gaps, pulling her out of them or sending her to somewhere else. CiLR and "A Beautiful Flower Blooming Violet Every Sixty Years" show some more of her thought processes. And then the whole plot of AoCF is spent showing how Yukari needs prep time before she's ready to fight someone.

The Sealing Club stories imply a few more things about her limits. Emphasis on imply though, and strictly speaking it's never even confirmed that she and Merry are the same person.

At the very least, we can infer that it's easier for Yukari to gap between two places if they're "close" in some sense. It's hard to tell what the cutoff point for this is though (and if trying to gap too far would fail, exhaust her, or risk transporting her to the Big Bang or something).

Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 18:40:31 No.22287513

>>22287378
>Yuuka is supposedly extremely powerful on top of being old
Indeed, she's suggested to be at level with Eiki and she isn't particularly a bragger so I'm actually more inclined to believe her.

It's also fun to think of the most powerful beings as being the ones who give the least amount of shit (Yuuka, Heca, Okina. Suika)

Sagume is definitely extremely powerful like all Lunarians. Significantly, she's one of the few characters who doesn't use a "defeated" portrait after her boss battle (though ZUN did drew one)

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 18:44:20 No.22287529 >>22287513 >Sagume You bring up some good points. I'll retract my 'maybe B' and say she's most likely A.

Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 18:48:42 No.22287548
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>>22287498
That's interesting, I always thought the whole SSiB thing was her plan to look weaker than she really is. Time for me to finally read CiLR after all these years pushing it away i guess. Thank you for your answer

Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 18:54:16 No.22287577

>>22287548
careful it's mostly boring as fuck
Keep in mind that Yukari KNOWS she can't defeat Lunarians. She used that fact (probably) to cull certain youkai in the first Lunar Invasion. In the second she had "won" not by fighting them, but by trolling the fuck out of them. If you haven't read CiLR yet I will admit that the ultimate "gotcha" at the end is pretty worth it. Youmu, Reisen, Mokou, and the final chapters are all great. Eirin, the sisters, Yukari's, and kinda Kaguya's are all really dull.

Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 18:56:44 No.22287596

>>22287548
It's the opposite. In both Eirin's and the moon princesses' eyes, they lost to Yukari. The scene where Yukari shows off the alcohol they got from the moon to Eirin is the point of Bougetsushou. We even get to see this scene from two perspectives, and Eirin's point of view of the scene in CiLR is what is most telling.

Yukari made it clear to Eirin 'Don't look down on us. Don't fuck with us.'

To the viewer, we basically get a look of how Yukari operates. She's willing to throw away her pride to keep Gensokyo safe by pre-emptively putting the seeds of fear into the literal Brain of the Moon. She may not be physically the strongest. (Hell, I think Suika and Tenshi are stronger.) But she is cunning.

Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 19:16:14 No.22287678
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>>22287548
>Time for me to finally read CiLR after all these years pushing it away i guess.
Bougetsushou is one story, it just alternates between comics (Touhou Bougetsushou ~ Silent Sinner in Blue) and text (Touhou Bougetsushou ~ Cage in Lunatic Runagate). If you're skipping random chapters you'll just get confused.

Japanese fans don't even remember the English subtitles of things, so mistaking it for two independent works is far less common. Even when they're talking about the manga part specifically they call it "the Bougetsushou manga".

Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 19:45:35 No.22287802
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>>22286892
Okina can be traced back to a terrible version of Shiva and did not seem threatened by the "big shots of hell" and quite literally knew Heca.
Daikokuten (the Japanese version of Mahakala) was also feared by the Lunarians as they tried to usurp his lands, and they feared his retaliation. So they bound him using shimenawa, but since Okina still walks, that just prevents her from going to the moon, I bet.

Even if she's not as strong as Heca, she's probably SS-tier.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 19:53:08 No.22287828 >>22287802 >So they bound him using shimenawa So how effective is it actually? Didn't Kanako, in one of the MoF endings, puts it off and says it's just decoration?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 20:42:13 No.22288025 Reminder that power level discussion is bad and you should feel bad.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 20:43:27 No.22288033 >>22287386 Tenshi also has the sword.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 20:59:07 No.22288086 At least we can all agree that Kikuri is stronger than the midboss spirit from TD.

Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 21:03:03 No.22288100

>>22288025
I agree with this sentiment, but I think putting them into vague power categories is fine, because we can back them up with canon and get a grasp of how strong each of them are. Where we're delving into gross territory is when we're discussing between people in those same tiers with very little backing for either. As for people who discuss power levels between different series? Neck them.

Anonymous Sun, Oct 20, 2019 21:12:52 No.22288130
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>>22287828
I don't remember but I have a feeling that can't have been referring to the one binding Okina.

That is specified to be extra thick and indeed, it is fucking massive.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 01:59:20 No.22289100 Does phone signal works on gensokyo?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 02:15:31 No.22289149 >>22289100 Sumireko confirmed that there's no service in Gensoky.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 02:24:35 No.22289175 >>22289149 What about Hatate's phone?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 02:28:56 No.22289188 >>22289175 It is a camera.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 02:49:10 No.22289229 >>22289149 Dammit, how im supposed to get out of here!

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 02:54:31 No.22289243 File: 586 KB, 982x1440, x17.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22289149

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 03:58:09 No.22289354 >>22281645 If Gensokoyo is the type of place where common sense doesn't work. I'm pretty sure I just got some magic powers and I would work to turn myself into a dragon. Once that is done I would blow up the Hakurei Shrine.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 09:38:00 No.22290301 I need to re read the printed works again. Reading them as my entry into touhou was not a smart move.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 09:49:57 No.22290339 >>22289354 nice headcanon faggot, Rumia would eat your stupid ass

Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 10:22:20 No.22290478

>>22289354
>I'm pretty sure I just got some magic powers and I would work to turn myself into a dragon
The strongest human native to Gensokyo can't even into shape-shifting, and you're looking to turn yourself into a dragon?
Also a dragon without any legend associated with it might as well be an overgrown lizard.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 11:14:50 No.22290727 >>22289229 Buy asking Reimu to let you out.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 11:25:08 No.22290778 >>22246419 Lore? lmao just watch the IOSYS PV's on youtube and fap to the doujins

Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 11:38:18 No.22290850

>>22287828
pretty much, odds are okina is just amusing the lunarians like she did the faeries. The only one we know for sure is probably stronger is Hecatia, and mind you just her threat to Clownpiece to bring to Hecatia was enough to derail her plans entirely and she literally backed out to rebuild her plans entirely. Basically since Okina is jap Shiva so she's some absolute major bullshit and what saves a fair bit of the idiot groups in gensokyo from getting wiped is her apathy/benevolence.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 11:38:22 No.22290851 File: 141 KB, 500x500, Get out.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22290778

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 15:09:24 No.22291878 >>22290301 Why not?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 15:31:53 No.22291956 >>22290478 Not all dragons have legends associated with them. In fact a lot of dragons from mythology are nameless as fuck and are called "Dragon from Beowulf", "Dragon from St. George"

Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 15:40:12 No.22291989

>>22281645
I would talk straight shit to everyone I come across and if I die, I come back as a ghost to talk straight shit to everyone, if I visit the Yama I'll talk straight shit about her, and if I go to hell all of them are getting talked shit to until they decide to yeet me out of existence.

I don't give a fuck. Fuck Gensokoyo, fuck Youkai, fuck Gods, fuck Reimu, and fuck those sad excuses of a "human" in the village. I rather not exist than ever stand in their presence because my anger would never subside. I should just poison the entire village drinking water.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 17:31:06 No.22292508 >>22291989 >t. Fortune teller

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 17:36:05 No.22292534 >>22291878 most of the references, characters, incidents and 'how-they-become-like-that' went over my head and I only knew Marisa and Reimu

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 18:17:08 No.22292750 File: 81 KB, 514x319, nosferatu10.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22291989 Shut the fuck up, Dracula

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 19:13:31 No.22292991 >>22292534 Do you think you would have been fine starting with PMiSS or SoPM? I ask because I was considering listing PMiSS as a potential entry point aside from EoSD. I still think EoSD is the best place to start, of course.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 19:32:30 No.22293060 >>22292991 My timeline with touhou is like this: Only listened PCB stage 1 bgm> Played the games> discovered ancient memes> played the games again> read wikis and /jp/>read the print works> now

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 19:47:42 No.22293135 >>22293060 I thought you said you started with the printworks? Or is this some other anon?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 19:51:50 No.22293164 >>22293135 Other anon

Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 20:21:30 No.22293307

>>22293060
For me it was:
>heard Tewi's Endless ma-Park
>saw some cute Cirno memes
>start acting like I've been a fan all along
>brag about loving japanese danmaku like a dumb attention whoring hipster
>looked into the characters: so many mob caps
>listened to the music
>reading the wikis to find more of the plot
>finally play EoSD
>play the next games
>keep reading bios
>start reading bougetsushou, gateway drug to the rest of the manga
>discover /jp/
>start reading translations of the print works
>realize Reimu is my waifu
>iphone has 4gb of just pics of her saved from danbooru and Pixiv
>start studying, more seriously, japanese language, history, and folklore with the only intention of understanding Touhou better

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 20:31:41 No.22293351 >>22293307 I think we all can agree that we got into touhou because of the music

Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 20:35:48 No.22293371

>>22292991
I would say, EoSD is a good entry point. This includes:
- Music
- The game
- Characters, only up to what you have seen/heard, then based on their attributes, read about them in PMiSS, youkai lore, etc.
- Optional, but I also recommend non-h doujins

My personal process of exploring 2hu is/was something like this:
- Gave it a serious go, looked up the wiki which game is the first, "EoSD for Windows Era", note that before this, I had already had some very vague idea of what touhou was (video games), but none of the intricacies and details
- EoSD OSTs on youtube. Rumia's stage theme clicked it for me that evening, then went back and forth between that and title theme for a few days (you read that right, I listened to those 2 songs for days before moving on, the reason why I fondly remember this is that this happened after I finished my presentation on hydropower at the end of my 3rd year in uni, got a 10/10 from that, heck, I was listening to this during others' speeches the day after, my presentation was on Thursday's afternoon)
- Played EoSD until 3rd stage, gave up.. Cirno assblased me into oblivion
- Read Sangetsusei, no idea who the fairies were except Cirno, I didn't even know the significance of Reimu and Marisa in the series at this point, gave up half way fuuuuuuuck
- Read Silent Sinner in Blue, again, 99% of "why-they-are-like-this" went over my head, somehow reached the end, don't even remember how it ends but I do remember some in-door sunbathing panels..
- (at this point, I was mixing lots of non-h doujins into my journey)
~~~ after a while, everything kinda rearranged itself neatly ~~~
- Official game OST
- After bathing myself in the games OSTs while I stuck drawing the characters of the previous games (lol), I read about that game on the wiki, exploring the lore of its characters, locations, etc
- Then re-listen to the music with my newfound knowledge, imagine various things in my mind
- Read non-h doujins featuring its characters, re-read some to appreciate things that I didn't notice before
- Build up hype for the characters in my head
- Watch replays/play the game, witness ZUN's masterpiece in its full glory
- Next game OST.. currently at LoLK.

That's about it. Now I'm trying to integrate Shinto lore into my head, no success so far as it requires Japanese to fully absorb its history. To answer your question, PMiSS is good to go along as you progress, but not something you read all at once. SoPM isn't good, see: features characters from later games right off the bat.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 20:38:54 No.22293386 >>22293164 >>22293371 I was asking because I wanted to hear from someone who actually didn't start with the games. I can make the same conjectures myself on how good of a start PMiSS is, but it won't mean as much since I started with HRtP.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 21, 2019 22:37:36 No.22293862 File: 64 KB, 305x315, baka baka.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22293371 >Cirno assblased me into oblivion

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 22, 2019 00:02:50 No.22294154 >>22293862 It happened to everyone, even me.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 22, 2019 00:12:50 No.22294179 How did humans beat youkai? How did Japan even beat youkai when it was backwards shithole until the 19th century?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 22, 2019 00:17:08 No.22294189 >>22294154 >>22293862 Her second attack and perfect freeze catches off guard people

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 22, 2019 01:34:41 No.22294395 File: 90 KB, 1018x1443, C50.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22273835 This explains it

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 22, 2019 02:08:06 No.22294507 File: 12 KB, 231x400, lightbulb.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22294179

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 22, 2019 05:39:19 No.22295065 >>22294179 They used the cock

Anonymous Tue, Oct 22, 2019 12:45:59 No.22296715

>>22294179
Some anon a while ago made an interesting assertion about this based on info from (iirc) the Seihou spinoffs that the yokai are, despite all the ki blasts and anergy bullets, actually weaker than humans and have trouble dealing with human technology and weapons. I wish I could remember the exact reasoning, being as it was something that stuck with me enough to sorta shape my own understanding of Gensokyo.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 22, 2019 20:45:54 No.22298739 >>22296715 Human technology isn't that great. I'm pretty sure a youkai could survive a shitty arrow.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 22, 2019 22:37:23 No.22299165

>>22294179
Thanks to technological advancement, we no longer fear the shadow in which the youkai lurks.
Thanks to scientific advancement, we no longer consider something "an action of a youkai", and instead see it as "a natural phenomenon".
For a bunch dependent on fear and belief, these things is a lot more effective than actually beating them through conventional means.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 22, 2019 22:58:14 No.22299222

>>22294179
It was basically god vs youkai for a longass time and gods/godess's were powerful enough to give humans boons that made humanity believe they were powerful anti youkai measures, and so they were. then humanity surpassed the need of the divine with technology and at that point all the really scary powerful youkai were mostly dead, so thats how things went.

Anonymous Wed, Oct 23, 2019 02:04:06 No.22299764

>>22294179
If you can believe PCB prologue then people back then are just strong as fuck, some guys just decided to go to Gensokyo and waged war against youkai. Even now there are still strong enough humans to be able to exterminate youkai (beside Marisa and Reimu), according to Akyuu they live in the village, we just never see them directly.

Anonymous Wed, Oct 23, 2019 02:11:16 No.22299783

>>22299764
In all seriousness in the 1800s people actually got evil-sealing charms at their local shrine to put over their front door. In the end it came down to confidence that the snake oil actually worked, if they truly believed youkai weren't real they'd have nothing to fear, if they kept thinking there was something hiding in the shadows they'd stay awake all night.

tl;dr youkai were never real, it's all in your head

Anonymous Wed, Oct 23, 2019 04:07:03 No.22300039

>>22299222
That doesn't make any sense. Majority of religion the gods gave absolutely no fucks about humanity and were malevolent as fuck towards it.

Only a few cared about mortals and some of them did it to spite other deities. If anything humanity growth wouldn't benefit the Gods either since they run on belief.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 23, 2019 04:35:33 No.22300096 File: 858 KB, 1006x1443, x12.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22281645 The fuck?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 23, 2019 10:29:10 No.22301291 >>22300096 Imagine having to sit next to Remilia

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 23, 2019 17:39:36 No.22303105 File: 627 KB, 1299x1154, mikusmile.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22300039 >mfw getting Miku digits in a 2hu thread...

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 24, 2019 02:25:38 No.22304740 >>22266967 There was an interview where ZUN was talking like the flag Clownpiece saw on the moon was the same flag the three fairies found in the forest. But I'll chalk it up to drunkenness.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 24, 2019 11:21:16 No.22306444 >>22304740 >american flag on moon in Gensokyo I wonder if ZUN is saying the moon landing was fake

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 24, 2019 11:44:34 No.22306524 >>22306444 He's just saying people stop caring and some even think it's fake

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 24, 2019 16:01:08 No.22307661 >>22301291 Yeah, disgusting.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 24, 2019 19:35:21 No.22308753 >>22306444 • Gensokyo literally means "land of fantasy" • American flag is on the moon in Gensokyo I think it's clear what he's trying to get across.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 24, 2019 21:46:07 No.22309274 >>22308753 >American flag is on the moon in Gensokyo Do you think Gensokyo and the rest of the Earth have a different moon or something?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 24, 2019 22:29:22 No.22309392 >>22246464 Ringo? That's an interesting one to mention

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 24, 2019 22:32:29 No.22309405 >>22308753 Gensokyo means land of illusions. The moon is not "in Gensokyo". The moon is the moon, Gensokyo is Gensokyo. The Lunar Capital keeps itself hidden on its own, and through different methods.

Anonymous Thu, Oct 24, 2019 22:42:11 No.22309436

>>22309274
According to Bougetsushou, the Moon in Gensokyo is different than the real life moon. It's a gensokyo equivalent of all the Moon mythology that science undid. Like the idea that the Moon had oceans. That's why the Moon in Gensokyo, unlike the earthbound Gensokyo which has no ocean, has a sea.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 24, 2019 22:54:51 No.22309476 >>22309436 Please cite which part you're referring to, because I'm 85% sure you're misinterpreting something.

Anonymous Thu, Oct 24, 2019 23:00:27 No.22309497

>>22306444
That's not what ZUN's saying but the lunarians very much wish it was true.

In the three fairies manga, they thought the American flag they found had fallen from the moon to the forest of magic because it's ZUN, I ain't gotta explain shit.

I'm sorry to be a dick, but you do play the games or read the print works, right?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 01:49:33 No.22310190 >>22309476 I'm looking for the chapter and page. But I believe it was part of an explanation of how they were able to fly straight up from Gensokyo to the moon.

Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 02:52:21 No.22310376
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>>22309476
Here we go. I think it’s pretty clear what the meaning of this is, that the Lunar Capital and Gensokyo are similar in nature in relation to the outside world. Because of this, one can theoretically build a “spaceship” fueled by gods and fly right up from one to the other without any sort of atmospheric difference or lack of oxygen.

Also >>22309497
Fuck off ive wasted more time reading and playing this series than you spend masturbating (which is a lot)

Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 03:18:10 No.22310450

>>22310376
Not him but you did misinterpret. It's better to put it this way: the moon doesn't need to hide, but does to not be interfered with and live in peace. Gensokyo hides out of total necessity, and indeed because of unending human progress. Lunarians can operate without human fear or belief. The same goes for heaven, makai, and the various hells, none of which are "gensokyo".

Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 03:23:35 No.22310463

>>22299764
>If you can believe PCB prologue
you cant

>>22309476
The language used is that the Light (表) side of the moon is the real one and Dark (裏) side of the moon is the fantastical version. If you were wondering about the seas Bougetsushou pretty extensively shows that the maria of the moon are literal seas varying in characteristics on the Dark side.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 03:43:30 No.22310518 >>22310450 >Lunarians can operate without human fear or belief. So what are they going to do with all these lunar missions in 2020 and space tourism?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 03:46:36 No.22310530 >>22310518 Go to bed Krauss.

Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 07:22:52 No.22311140

>>22309476
Unless I'm misunderstanding something here, the Moon basically has "scientific side" and "fantasy side", the fantasy side is of course the one where the Sea of Tranquility is a real sea while the scientific is the one we have and know.

Also it's basically how Toyohime killed the crow shikigami that Yukari sent in CiLR, she teleported it to the side where it's got no air and all. In CiLR it's also mentioned that has barrier similar to what Gensokyo has, or rather it's probably more correct to say that Gensokyo has a barrier similar to Lunar Capital considering the Capital was created earlier.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 08:05:36 No.22311319 >>22311140 >she teleported it to the side where it's got no air and all what a nightmare

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 13:51:15 No.22312963 >>22310518 That's explained in the Sealing Club stories.

Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 16:08:03 No.22313645

>>22309436
Since you were responding to me, I'll try to explain.

The Earth has: its normal land and Gensokyo
The Moon has: the normal part, the lunar capital hidden 'behind' the sea of tranquility, and a fake moon.
The moon that both sides(?) see normally is fake. This is explained in both IN and SSiB. Were someone to see the real moon, they would go insane.
I will note that the only thing I am unsure of is if the fake moon is used for the normal side of Earth, or if it is just Gensokyo that sees it. It should be noted that the Lunar Capital is located on the Far Side of the moon, meaning nobody on earth would see it normally. But on top of that, it is hidden by a barrier much like how Gensokyo is. So even if someone from the outside world were to look on the far side, they would see nothing.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 17:54:30 No.22314364 Actually, how Toyohime's powers work?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 18:04:47 No.22314413 >>22314364 Fuck you I win

Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 18:32:02 No.22314553
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>>22313645
>and a fake moon
no, an actual fake moon was only in IN

The "fake moon" you refer to is in actuality not a "moon", it's a reflection of the moon on the heavens, sort of like seeing something through a filter. Suika is the one who explains this in her article of BAiJR, and she's the one who brings up how seeing the moon entirely would be too dangerous.

>"Just what do you think the moon up in the sky is? Everyone sees that big, round shiny thing and thinks there must be somethin' up there, right? That's just silly. The truth is much more mind-blowin' than that. You can almost never see the real moon, 'cause its appearance is deadly to humans. You can only see the moon's reflection. And the things that make reflections, like water or glass, can all be broken, right? So since the moon you see in the sky is just being reflected in the heavens, all you gotta do is tear the heavens apart!"

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 18:43:34 No.22314612 >>22314553 >no, an actual fake moon was only in IN >The "fake moon" you refer to is in actuality not a "moon", it's a reflection of the moon on the heavens So, a fake moon. I'm not sure how I'm wrong.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 19:00:49 No.22314693 >>22314612 Because in IN it was a fake fake moon, think of it as Kaguya & co putting a big cardboard cutout in front of the real moon.

Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 19:05:48 No.22314713

>>22314693
Yes. This second fake that only a youkai could notice the problem with is what sets off the youkai to fix the incident. But I'm not wrong about the fake moon then. You're basically agreeing with me, anon. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 19:07:25 No.22314719 >>22314713 I'm not him though.

Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 19:13:16 No.22314746

>>22314719
Then why are you responding. Your post was an attempt to correct me on this, right? Because otherwise, you're just jumping in to tell me a random fact which appears to be trying to answer me.

I asked for clarification. You started the comment with 'Because . . .' Anon... Are you alright?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 19:16:16 No.22314756 >>22314746 Because you were rounding up both IN's fake moon and regular fake moon.They're both fake moons, but not THE fake moon.

Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 19:30:54 No.22314803

>>22314756
>Because you were rounding up both IN's fake moon and regular fake moon.
I was not. Point to where I did this.
This part:
>The moon that both sides(?) see normally is fake. This is explained in both IN and SSiB.
I only say it was -explained- that the moon normally seen is fake.

Also, then why point out that you're a different anon if you also agree that I was wrong? You're confusing the hell out of me.

Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 19:32:09 No.22314809

>>22314612
It's not a moon, anon. Do you call literally your reflection in the mirror a "fake you"? A reflection is a reflection of a real thing. That's why I said it's more obvious to say it's as if you're looking at the moon through a filter. It's the real moon, viewed indirectly. In IN, there was a literal illusionary moon blocking THAT. It's still the real moon, still pushes lunacy, still gives youkai power, it's just not direct.

Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 19:37:12 No.22314833

>>22314809
>Do you call literally your reflection in the mirror a "fake you"?
No, because that has a proper name. A reflection.
But if it's a mirror placed to 'trick' someone, yes, I'd call it a fake one.
So, I was right. I've got people trying to argue meaningless semantics with me. I'm honestly unsure why some of you do this. I'd almost want to say it's probably 'autists' but I fear people will think I'm just trying to insult and dismantle their arguments. But I legitimately think these sorts of meaningless statements are autistic sounding.

Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 19:44:51 No.22314856

>>22314803
>>22314833
Not to discredit you either, but you're the one who sounds autistic right now, look up how autistic people interact.
You rounded them up exactly where you pointed out
>This is explained in both IN and SSiB.
IN does NOT talk about the reflected moon or whatever, it only talks about the fake cardboard cutout moon to reuse what I said.

Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 20:02:49 No.22314947

>>22314856
>IN does NOT talk about the reflected moon or whatever
You could have pointed out this is what you were referring to in the first place. I still disagree though. Both of those sources give information ABOUT the moon and why we don't see it normally. Of course, if you don't like how I explained it because I confused you, that's fine. I'll accept that.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 20:09:21 No.22314973 Why doesn't Yukari just start a nuclear apocalypse and have humanity start over from a collapsed society? Youkai then come out as "nuclear monsters".

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 20:16:35 No.22314999 >>22314973 Because that would give her enemies, have risks, and would eventually need to be put down again. Much easier to just have her own personalized M. Night Shaymalan's The Village.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 20:23:25 No.22315015 >>22314999 Never remind me of that movie again, reverse ideology satan.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 20:34:34 No.22315039 Touhou isn't a thought out setting and is just made from shit ZUN feels like adding-on. Don't think too hard about it or take it seriously.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 20:40:27 No.22315061 >>22315039 >Touhou isn't a thought out setting It is though

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 20:45:20 No.22315075 >>22315039 This way of thinking sounds progressively stupider every time I see someone say it. And I've seen a lot of people say it for a lot of different things. It's such a lazy statement.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 21:10:13 No.22315157 >>22315039 If you want to stop thinking, don't drag other people into it just to validate yourself.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 25, 2019 22:45:03 No.22315519 File: 429 KB, 1118x380, Screen Shot 2019-10-25 at 7.44.13 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22314973 Because Yukari is a cowardly shit and would never take a risk on anything that substantial.

Anonymous Sat, Oct 26, 2019 00:25:29 No.22315902

>>22313645
>the only thing I am unsure of is if the fake moon is used for the normal side of Earth, or if it is just Gensokyo that sees it
It would only be Gensokyo/Otherworlds because that's where the fantastical version of the moon exists. In the outside world you could investigate and observe it to be false.

>It should be noted that the Lunar Capital is located on the Far Side of the moon, meaning nobody on earth would see it normally
As mentioned in a post above, the "Far Side" of the moon in the Touhou setting is referring to the fantastical version and not the actual side of the moon. If anything, the Lunar Capital would be on the front side by being located by the Sea of Tranquility, being able to have the Earth reflected in the sea, the rocket being able to land pretty much right there, etc.

>>22314833
I also think that you phrased yourself poorly, and you saying what followed was "arguing semantics" ignores that the problem was that what you said was misleading and it didn't communicate what you might have intended to communicate. Saying it's just semantics is you trying to shift blame for having a bad explanation.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Oct 26, 2019 00:27:34 No.22315911 >>22314973 Because youkai aren't actually real anon. They have no actual influence on the world and couldn't start nuclear apocalypses; unless there actually was one and then you could say it was their fault afterwards.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Oct 26, 2019 00:45:53 No.22315968 >>22315911 I mean Youkai were totally able to hide a portion of Japan from the rest of the world

Anonymous Sat, Oct 26, 2019 01:12:15 No.22316062

>>22315902
I'll take partial blame for how I worded it, but those anons weren't exactly making things easy. Even if it should have been clear. (I've found that most anons here will try to find ways to interpret things the wrong way to make a fuss.) If anyone was poorly phrasing, they were just as at fault if not worse because I had to ask several times what they meant(to which, I would get the same reply, or in that one weird anon's case he answered for another anon as if he was them). And then they tried to say a 'reflection isn't a fake' to which I pointed out it is. The semantics argument was because of that. So don't even try to say it's me trying to shift blame. Especially when they tried moving goal posts that way.

Anonymous Sat, Oct 26, 2019 02:06:59 No.22316239

>>22315968
Youkai aren't real. To elaborate, the scope of what you can write about youkai is always going to be limited to whatever is actually possible to blame youkai for. Youkai couldn't just show up outside and be like "hey I'm a youkai" and establish youkai as existing because the outside -is- the real world. If you were to write a story about youkai in a way that establishes youkai as real, the setting no longer reflects the real world, so you can't write that. At best, you can write a story where characters concretely -believe- that what they've experienced is a youkai or because of them, but the surrounding context explains everything away as something else and regards the characters as having been mistaken. It's that kind of game.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Oct 26, 2019 02:16:19 No.22316271 >>22315039 No, he likes doing worldbuilding and writing stories, go check the ZUN author's notes in the print works

Anonymous Sat, Oct 26, 2019 04:05:45 No.22316547

>>22315902
>It would only be Gensokyo/Otherworlds because that's where the fantastical version of the moon exists
No? The Lunar Capital exists within its own bubble, completely unrelated to Gensokyo. It's accessible sure, but you theoretically can enter the fantastic side from the outside as well.

Anonymous Sat, Oct 26, 2019 06:01:12 No.22316890

>>22314833
>But if it's a mirror placed to 'trick' someone, yes, I'd call it a fake one.
It isn't a trick, the way Suika describes it it just seems to be the way things work. The trick is specifically around the Lunar Capital. The moon is not a fake, it's rather a natural phenomenon (or more like legendary bullshit that becomes truth in a realm without common sense)

>>	Anonymous Sat, Oct 26, 2019 10:00:25 No.22317589 >>22315902 >the "Far Side" of the moon in the Touhou setting is referring to the fantastical version and not the actual side of the moon. Source on this?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 27, 2019 04:46:13 No.22322109 Is neil armstrong canon?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 27, 2019 06:12:00 No.22322365 Who is the hakurei god really? are ever gonna see them?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 27, 2019 06:17:35 No.22322382 >>22322365 SinGyoku

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 27, 2019 08:18:45 No.22322805 File: 317 KB, 863x691, 1547015630835.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Redpill me on etarnity

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 27, 2019 08:36:10 No.22322856 >>22322805 you have to go back

Anonymous Sun, Oct 27, 2019 11:34:41 No.22323749

>>22322109
I think both him and Buzz Aldrin are mentioned by name somewhere. Or at least their last name. It'd be cool if someone more knowledge on the canon could pinpoint that.

>>22317589 too because it sounds kind of fishy. I think that other anon was right.

Another question for anyone who knows their stuff. Was Aya inspired by the 2016 election to make Alternative Facts of Eastern Utopia? I can't find any direct quote from her in it.

Anonymous Sun, Oct 27, 2019 11:48:27 No.22323826
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>>22323749
>Was Aya inspired by the 2016 election to make Alternative Facts of Eastern Utopia?
I assume you meant ZUN. As far as afterwords go, it seems he's more inspired by the practice of altered titles and people not reading an article thoroughly in general.
There are some parts influenced by that man, but it's not the basis for the whole work. To quote ZUN;
>A few of those spots have been strongly influenced by a certain country’s president… Haha

Anonymous Sun, Oct 27, 2019 11:53:24 No.22323858

>>22323826
No, I mean Aya. I know about ZUN's afterword. I mean an -in-universe- influence from the election. The election itself is referenced in Miko's article by Aya, but I was originally under the impression that her making of the set of articles was perpetuated by 'fake news' that she heard about in the outside world.

Anonymous Sun, Oct 27, 2019 12:14:28 No.22323962
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>>22323858
Ah, sorry. Calling it AFiEU makes me think you're talking about Azmaya.

Anyway, according to CoLA, Aya was inspired by tabloid magazine in general. From chapter 30.
>"Did I not tell you? To delve further into the truth, a different reporting style is necessary compared to the newspaper, whose main goal is to deliver information quickly. So I planned on publishing a book, using the outside world's magazines as reference, to achieve that!"
Whether the magazine she first read covers the election is negligible I would say; Aya cares more about the style of reporting than the article itself. Pretty damn ironic actually.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 27, 2019 12:30:58 No.22324026 >>22323962 Thanks a bunch, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 27, 2019 23:32:36 No.22327467 >>22322805 busu

Anonymous Mon, Oct 28, 2019 01:28:53 No.22327942

>>22316547
I think you misinterpreted what I said. Yes the Lunar Capital exists in its own bubble. The anon I was replying to is talking about there being a reflection in the sky of the Moon that filters it so you don't go mad, and is asking whether only Gensokyo sees the moon through the filter or if the Outside does as well. When looking from the Outside, the Moon you see would be the real Moon, not the fantastical Moon, because the fantastical Moon doesn't exist. From Gensokyo and other Otherworlds, they are all connected by being fantastical, and that's where you would need that filter to look at the Moon. By "you could investigate" I mean that you could take a rocket from the Earth and observe that going into space you won't go mad looking at the Moon.

If you were already standing on the real Moon and entered the fantastical Moon the lunacy thing probably wouldn't apply but obviously that's my speculation. The protags didn't go mad during LoLK, so.

>>22317589
>>22323749
It's extremely consistent usage of the terms 表 and 裏, both of which are what outside of Touhou you call the Near and Far side of the Moon. They're translated this way to keep the same play on terminology. I could find explicit examples if you want.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 28, 2019 03:04:10 No.22328286 >>22327942 Actually I'd like to amend this by saying if the context were that a youkai was in the Outside World they might also see the Moon as the filtered fantastical Moon; that much is kind of unclear.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 28, 2019 03:39:02 No.22328361 How does one pronounce Runagate?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 28, 2019 03:53:23 No.22328400 >>22328361 Ru-na-ga-te

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 28, 2019 05:41:06 No.22328655 >>22328361 /ˈrə-nə-ˌgāt/

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 28, 2019 11:22:49 No.22329977 >>22328361 Like Lunagate but Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 28, 2019 12:58:50 No.22330487 File: 46 KB, 640x480, ECtUl8WXUAA9nQL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22328400 >>22328655 >>22329977

Anonymous Mon, Oct 28, 2019 13:07:12 No.22330522

>>22327942
Fair enough, I did misinterpret that.
Also a bit heavy on the speculation here, I would say that the most important part is the connection to the fantastic. It doesn't matter even if it's the Outside World, if you are connected to the supernatural, then the moon you're looking at would be the false one (the stronger the connection is, the clearer the fantastic moon would be). You know, the whole "sixth sense" thing, basically.

Keeping that in mind,
>>22328286
I would say yes. Youkai are fantastic themselves, so naturally they can perceive the fantastic, and therefore see the moon through the filter. Not that they would be able to tell either way.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 28, 2019 13:14:29 No.22330549 >>22330487 Kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 28, 2019 13:17:57 No.22330567 File: 111 KB, 768x768, 73970891_p0.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22330549 You alright dude?

Anonymous Mon, Oct 28, 2019 17:15:01 No.22331577

>>22327942
> They're translated this way to keep the same play on terminology. I could find explicit examples if you want.
This would be helpful yes. Because right now it sounds like 表 could both refer to the back of the moon AND where the capital is, because it happens to be on the far side. Unless you can provide something saying otherwise.

Anonymous Mon, Oct 28, 2019 17:45:23 No.22331690

>>22331577
Just to follow up, I looked it up myself.

'The lunar capital is on the far side of the moon, protected by a barrier that hides its existence.'

月の都は裏側の月に存在し、さらに結界を張りその姿は隠されている。

裏側の月 meaning literal 'far side of the moon'

They also make reference to 'front side' using 表 (which, on the wiki has been translated to 'light side')

And going by the quote, we can determine that the Lunar capital is located on the far/dark side of the moon, hidden behind a barrier similar to the one of Gensokyo.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 28, 2019 18:25:40 No.22331837 >>22246419 It’s about time. Now stop complaining about everything on the board. I will not read this thread. You have had a lore thread. Now make another in a couple weeks.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 28, 2019 18:27:15 No.22331846 >>22328361 Renegade.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 28, 2019 21:49:48 No.22332668 >>22331837 Read it

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 28, 2019 23:47:06 No.22333104 >>22332668 No. I get the feeling that one of you had a mental breakdown

Anonymous Tue, Oct 29, 2019 02:15:49 No.22333561

>>22331577
>>22331690
Actually upon rereading, there are some lines that do make it very clear that the Lunar Capital is in fact on the back side of the Moon. So I will correct myself there!
>それとも、都を載せた裏側が重たくて遠心力で外側を向いてしまったのだろうか
Yukari rhetorically pondering about whether the Capital was heavy enough that centrifugal force pushed it to the outside of the Moon.
>静かの海は月の都の正反対に存在する海である。
Toyohime narrating that the Sea of Tranquility is exactly opposite of the Lunar Capital. She reiterates it later too. So uh yes.

Anyways here are some cases.
>表の月に刺さっていた地上人の旗——我々はアポロの旗と呼んでいる旗が、いつの間にか無くなっていた事から噂は始まったらしい。
Toyohime narration referring to the Apollo flag. 表の月 is in bold in the book. Obviously the flag was also on the front side of the Moon but I think the context along with the bolding is a clear indicator of double meaning.

>荒涼とした表の月——これこそ地上の追い求めた月の姿である [...]
>私は海と山を繋ぐ事が出来る。表の月と裏の月を結ぶ事も出来る数少ない者の一人である。
Toyohime describing the Near side of the Moon as desolate, and explaining she can connect the Near and Far sides of the Moon as she sends Yukari's crow to the real Moon.

>幻想郷は外の世界と常識の結界により断絶され、非常識の内側に存在する。この結界を今のまま保持する為には全ての事柄に裏側が必要なのである
Yukari comparing the Lunar Capital to Gensokyo in that they both need to be separated from reality by common sense. The use of 裏側 to have the second meaning of "hidden" is obvious here as Gensokyo has no literal "back" side.

Yukari also uses 裏側 a few times in this chapter to refer to the back side of the Moon, but as a metaphor to talk about the Lunarians. During a full moon, when she travels there, is when it's night on the back side of the Moon, implying the Lunarians are unprepared.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 29, 2019 02:31:33 No.22333606 >>22333104 No mental, only healthy discussion

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