Fuck yes! Evil murderous Kaguya! Fuck yes! Mokou rage! FUCK YES SHE'S BURNING A FIRE SO HOT IT WILL CONSUME THEIR SOULS BEAST GIRL CAN'T EVEN GET CLOSE AND IT BURNS YUKARI'S GAPS AN.. ... wat

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Anonymous Tue Mar 10 00:56:38 2009 No.2215621 [Reply] [Original]

Fuck yes! Evil murderous Kaguya!

Fuck yes! Mokou rage!

FUCK YES SHE'S BURNING A FIRE SO HOT IT WILL CONSUME THEIR SOULS BEAST GIRL CAN'T EVEN GET CLOSE AND IT BURNS YUKARI'S GAPS AN..

...

wat

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 00:58:38 2009 No.2215629 Need to catch up on my readin'

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 00:59:38 2009 No.2215634 File: 396 KB, 1029x1512, yuka_vs_yukari_17.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] On a side note, I now understand why /jp/ is so crazy over Yuka. She's like the Joker.

>>	Your Candid Fr !eND/xfY3lY Tue Mar 10 01:00:38 2009 No.2215639 >>2215634 Sigh.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 01:02:38 2009 No.2215652 sauce for the love of god

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 01:03:38 2009 No.2215667 File: 156 KB, 188x353, dejectedconnors.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2215652

>>	Sonic !D8kB403zbM Tue Mar 10 01:05:38 2009 No.2215676 >>2215652 http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Tohonifun

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 01:07:38 2009 No.2215692 >>2215639 what?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 01:07:38 2009 No.2215694 >>2215676 Thanks a lot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 01:09:38 2009 No.2215710 >>2215694 Wow. You really didn't know? Alright. Best bet for sauce on /jp/ doujins is to /rs/ the doujin name. If it isn't up there and isn't hentai, it will be up on Touhou wiki. Just search the doujin name there.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 01:13:38 2009 No.2215731 >>2215621 Is this invinicible Koumakyou style Reimu or what? How the fuck does this even work?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 01:52:38 2009 No.2215935 >>2215710 I lurked on Touhou wiki first. /rs/ sucks. Also, man. those were great. Though, I didn't understand. Who used that Nuclear Bomb, and 'Opened a hole with yourself' part.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 01:56:38 2009 No.2215955 >>2215731 graze the heat

Suigin !YUsuiginy. Tue Mar 10 01:57:38 2009 No.2215959

>>2215935
Welcome to Chado doujins.

I love his art style (I aim to draw eyes like him) but you can't understand anything in the battles.

I'll explain briefly:
Yukari is getting her ass whooped by Yuka
Ran appears and attacks Yuka
Yuka is about to kick Ran's tails when Yukari quickly reacts gapping a nuke to Gensokyo and fleeing with Ran.
The nuke didn't do shit to Yuka because she is the strongest youkai.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 01:57:38 2009 No.2215963 File: 546 KB, 1038x1512, yuka_vs_yukari_69.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The smoking gun is a mushroom cloud.

>>	King in Yellow Tue Mar 10 02:20:38 2009 No.2216063 >>2215959 Actually, it almost killed Yuka. She only survived because all of the plants in the area sacrificed themselves to keep her alive.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 02:25:38 2009 No.2216078 File: 216 KB, 750x1063, 008.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This one is better, though.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 02:28:38 2009 No.2216093
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>>2216063
Nah, it's cuz she's definitely the strongest.

>>2215959
Hell, I still can't understand anything that happens in Wriggle vs. SDM and I've had it explained to me twice.

That aside, his badass Wriggle and badass Reimu faces are better than sex.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 02:30:38 2009 No.2216099 File: 121 KB, 814x1192, koumakyou_former_part_009.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I've read Koumakyou three times and I still can't figure out if it is genius or retarded.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 02:32:38 2009 No.2216106 File: 213 KB, 750x1061, 024.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2216093 >better than sex No they aren't.

King in Yellow Tue Mar 10 02:34:38 2009 No.2216109

>>2216099

Koumakyou is Chado pussying out from going full on grimdark Gensokyo and backing off before an epic Remi/Reimu showdown while commenting on the 'spellcard system' that's maintained by the Hakurei lineage and how monstrous it makes them, since a human can use it to crush even the most powerful demons.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 02:34:38 2009 No.2216110 >>2216106 what the fuck? Did Yukari zone in tentacles?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 02:35:38 2009 No.2216114 >>2216109 I liked the deconstruction of the Touhou game conceits there, and I thought the reveal of what was in the missing panels in Reimu's average day was awesome, but just about everything else was silly or poorly told.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 02:36:38 2009 No.2216119 >>2216110 Yes, go read it. It's delicious.

>>	King in Yellow Tue Mar 10 02:39:38 2009 No.2216124 >>2216114 That it was. Which is a shame since Yuka vs Yukari and Wriggle vs SDM were so awesome. So was Kaguya vs Mokou. We still need the epic Remi vs Yuka confrontation that Wriggle vs SDM hinted at, though.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 02:42:38 2009 No.2216132

>>2216124
It will just end in some stupid Durr HUrr I CoNTINue TO FIGHT for Remi

Although looking at the Ran vs Yukari story, Remi was outrageously hax compared to everyone

Overall I read Chado's stuff back when I was completely new to Touhou (2 years ago? sigh) and just read it for fun. Now that I've long became a complete SDMfag, I started to resent some of the details of the stories

>>	King in Yellow Tue Mar 10 02:45:38 2009 No.2216141 >>2216132 I like it for it's darker view, but wish that Chado would go learn to layout a fucking page.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 02:50:38 2009 No.2216150

>>2216141
I don't find them particularly dark. It's just another fanon interpretation and when the focus is on someone that's far from your favorite, it loses some of its appeal

It's probably just a matter of timing. At the time of reading, I just did not feel anything for Reimu (it wasn't translated back then, but it was kind of obvious) and I don't find those types of backstories (i just wanna be normal@!!~!!@) very interesting either

A little burst of anger hardly counts a dark

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 02:52:38 2009 No.2216157

That reminds me, awhile back I was reading a SDM doujin. It wasn't finished translated but it had alot of action in it, Reimu was using huge fucking hakurei balls against the SDM. Does anyone remember what it was called and if it is translated yet? There were two parts from what I remember and the second was the one that was not translated.

King in Yellow Tue Mar 10 02:54:38 2009 No.2216163

>>2216150

'Darker' is really more for Wriggle vs SDM and Yuka vs Yukari, which if taken to the logical extremes could be used as an indication of the spellcard system breaking down. A few more fights on the scale of those two could devastate Gensokyo.

Koumakyou kinda dropped it into 'meh' territory, by making it less 'the spellcard system is voluntary to avoid critical existence failure' and more 'the spellcard system is mandatory, because hax.'

I'd've preferred to see a series of doujins where the rules start breaking down and the more powerful youkai start warring on each other for power and territory while Yukari and a few of the more human characters try vainly to hold everything together.

But then I've always liked the darker versions of Gensokyo along with the happier ones.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 03:01:38 2009 No.2216184 >>2216119 if you would give source I would.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 03:04:38 2009 No.2216196

>>2216163
The more dramatic story driven doujins are often backstories or game retells and those really can't go anywhere but end in "canon"

It seems whenever a group takes the liberty to go to the extremes, it's usually the art that saves in the eyes of its fans, it as opposed to the actual drama.

Nobody fucking likes Touhou Battle Royale thanks to the art being a piece of shit, but most important a lack of focus on characters. Yukari vs Ran has its share of fans just because its character choice and being better drawn

I can't see myself enjoying an overdramatic sad story about the end of Gensokyo, simply because it's so easy to fuck up the story

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 03:05:38 2009 No.2216200 >>2216157 Two Scarlet Sacrements Under the Sky or something like that Just go to the wiki and search under the doujin group FlipFlops

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 03:08:38 2009 No.2216208 >>2216184 Yukari x Yuka

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 03:11:38 2009 No.2216213 Ok, so what doujins are NOT grimdark and have good art? Like, I dunno, Faster than Light.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 03:12:38 2009 No.2216216 >>2216213 Just read them all you lazy prick.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 03:12:38 2009 No.2216217 >>2216213 boku no pico

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 03:18:38 2009 No.2216231

Well, Touhou has always been 100% characters, 0% plot. It isn't a particularly good mix if you can't make a story that creates good interplay between characters. Like it or not, Wriggle and Remi and Yuka and Yukari and their interactions were the biggest part of what made those respective doujins memorable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 03:20:38 2009 No.2216238 File: 38 KB, 392x341, niceface.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2216196 >Nobody fucking likes Touhou Battle Royale thanks to the art being a piece of shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 03:33:36 2009 No.2216281 I can't find Yukari x Yuka translated

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 03:54:38 2009 No.2216385 >>2216099 Why was reimu so haxx during this fight?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 04:08:38 2009 No.2216490 File: 252 KB, 1250x1425, Reimusmirk.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2216385 >Why was Reimu so haxx? >Why was Reimu hax?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 04:54:38 2009 No.2216679 >>2216385 It's the point of the story. I still wanna know why she could stop Kaguya and Moka roasting each other.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 05:00:38 2009 No.2216691 File: 301 KB, 1250x1425, Kaguyasmirk.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2216679 >Moka

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 07:49:38 2009 No.2217123
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>>2216679

Chado Reimu is omnipotent within Gensokyo. That's pretty much all there is to it. She turns up, KOs them both for being idiots and thanks Yukari for the assist.

It's Tohnifun, everything is open to Chado's interpretation and if you read Koumakyou (former and latter) you would see how he's written Reimu as Gensokyo's system of order, but really it's Tohnifun so every character is open to whatever Chado fancies. Some of them are interesting enough I suppose, it's best not to take him too seriously and enjoy the different take on things rather then get caught up in power level crap.

Outside her own story, Reimu basically just does what she does in the games and turns up at the end to make sure people know not to cause any more trouble and force the matter. Otherwise Yuka would still be challenging Yukari and Mokou and Kaguya would probably just threaten Gensokyo again with a soul burning fire that damages the border. Arguing about who should be stronger then who in a Tohnifun doujin is pointless.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 08:21:38 2009 No.2217274 Is Yuka vs SDM out yet? Or has it been out for a while just untranslated? I remember one pic of Yuka fuckowning Flandre into a wall, but that might've been a teaser page.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:42:38 2009 No.2219928 >>2217274 yes, but I don't have it. :(

>>	King in Yellow Tue Mar 10 16:45:38 2009 No.2219954 >>2217274 ... fuck, do want.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:46:38 2009 No.2219965 >>2219928 also, it wasn't just yuka, there was also yukari and... I forget the others but OH yeah, the prismlivers, yuyuko, and others... maybe I'm confusing the doujins, anyways it was either those or mouko and the neet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:50:38 2009 No.2219986 >>2219965 That's from Ran vs Yukari you retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:51:38 2009 No.2219990 >>2219965 also, >>2217274 >pic of Yuka fuckowning Flandre into a wall it wasn't Flandre it was Remilia.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:52:38 2009 No.2219997 >>2217123 I'm starting to believe it's that "omnipotence" that starts the powerlevel arguements about SSiB.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:53:38 2009 No.2220005 File: 292 KB, 719x1007, 1226242605654.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2219986 ... well I found it, [徒歩二分] 決壊

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:54:38 2009 No.2220011 File: 713 KB, 1021x1508, 1226245268366.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2220005

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:55:34 2009 No.2220016 [DELETED]

>>2219965

>it wasn't just yuka, there was also yukari

Yuka vs. Yukari.

>I forget the others but OH yeah, the prismlivers, yuyuko, and others

Ran vs. Yukari.

>it was either those or mouko and the neet.

Kaguya vs. Mokou.

None of which are related to Yuka vs. SDM.

>>2219990

No, it was Flandre.
It had Flandre's darker dress (which we see in Destruction) and she had light hair with a side ponytail.

I'm going to go look for that page right now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:58:38 2009 No.2220027 >>2220005 Yes Part 4 (3?..) of the Ran vs Yukari series Titled Destruction or something ...or something else, I dislike that series too much to look at anything but the action

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:01:38 2009 No.2220046 File: 752 KB, 1075x1513, destruction_48.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2220027 I thought Destruction was already released? Maybe it's a two-part?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:30:38 2009 No.2220227 >>2220027 Well then, care to post said image of "Yuka fuckowning Flandre into a wall" then, that is, if it isn't the one I posted >>2220011.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:33:38 2009 No.2220248 >>2220227 That's the one. I guess it's Remilia. Stupid Chado sameface whatnot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:37:38 2009 No.2220269 Chado's doujins also tend to be pretty shittily translated. Well at least Koumakyou was, I haven't paid much attention to the others. The translation in Koumakyou was so literal that I had serious trouble figuring out what the fuck they were saying.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:40:38 2009 No.2220278

>>2219997

But that's retarded, anything Chado writes is only related to ZUN's manga in the most superficial ways. Arguing that Reimu simply cannot and should not lose to anyone based on a Tohnifun story is a example of the worst kind of power level faggotry.

It's unfortunate, but sometimes people take these stories too seriously as though they actually matter in the long run. Truth is it's all just another take on the Touhou setting, often extremely at odds with actual canon but worth it at least for a different look at everything. Hating it because your favourite character seems weak, or loving it and using it as a example that your favourite character is strong are both rather pointless. Granted, I can understand those who just think Chado isn't good at story telling, at least that reason isn't so petty and holds some truth.

Anyway, SSiB is ZUN's troll manga. Comparing power levels and crying when your favourite maid is beat by some moon bitch is rather laughable in itself. Clearly he doesn't take his setting too seriously himself.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:45:38 2009 No.2220310

>>2219997
>>2220278

The power level arguments aren't Chado/Tohonifun-specific, it's more that lots of pre-existing stuff, even some of Zun's own, contradicts SSiB.

Chado isn't even the most over the top doujin artist. His Reimu is obviously the top of the line since omnipotence is pretty hard to beat, and Wriggle too, but his Yukari, Yuka, Sakuya, Flandre etc. ain't all that special all things considered.

If I was a real hopeless case I would actually list which doujin artists represented which characters at their peak (Felis Ovum = Flandre, etc), but fuck it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:48:38 2009 No.2220323 >>2220278 So, tldr; don't use doujinshi as "proof" in a Touhou discussion?

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:50:38 2009 No.2220338

>>2220323
>don't use anything as "proof" in a Touhou discussion

Fixed. Even Zun's own material is all over the place. The "omnipotent Reimu" meme actually started there, with the description of her Last Word (actually, all the last words are pretty fucking crazy if you read their Zun-written descriptions).

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:51:38 2009 No.2220346 >>2220011 That ... looks like Youmu but with fangs. wat

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:54:38 2009 No.2220363

>>2220323
What people need to realize is that:

- Even ZUN's stuff can be taken in more than one way. I remember a Sanae discussion a while ago talking about if she had a large amount of magical ability or not. In the end, they both made sense depending on how you read her profile.

-Even ZUN's stuff doesn't always follow itself correctly. From reading different official sources, you'll get different impressions.

-Saying where you got your idea for a character (or if you're basing it off your own ideas) will let people see this easily, and will often prevent chaotic shitstorms. Instead, you can probably get something along the lines of, "Oh, I always saw her in this way because..." /jp/ is surprisingly tolerant as long as you accept that some things you say aren't canon at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:55:38 2009 No.2220366 >>2220346 Chado has a huge case of Sameface Syndrome going on. He's mainly liked because he makes nearly every character badass on some level and focuses on fights, instead of nonstop tea time and implied lesbo romances like most do.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:56:38 2009 No.2220375 >>2220363 I've always been of the opinion that as far as Touhou is considered, "canon" is just the name of a below-average doujin.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:57:38 2009 No.2220383 The touhou girls were full of sameface in the OFFICIAL materials.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:58:38 2009 No.2220388 >>2220366 >implied lesbo romances like most do. Sekitou is a waste of talent.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:00:38 2009 No.2220398 File: 273 KB, 1110x1600, happy_10.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2220388 I mostly agree, but I love him/her for writing this one lesbo romance.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:00:38 2009 No.2220401

>>2220323

Pretty much, people tend to listen more (oddly) when you explain it at length. I blame peer pressure.

>>2220310

I agree, Tohnifun isn't the peek of every character, he's just extreme in certain circumstances and one of the most commonly raged at artists being discussed in this thread. For some characters you could even argue he's outright weakened compared to many people's opinion.

Still, the overall point is it doesn't matter and even Reimu's omnipotence in Koumakyou is more about the story value of why she is that way rather then purely wanking over her abilities.

Anyway, I've always seen Gensokyo as a world of fantasy and fairy tales. Strength at any one time depends more on the current story then it does on individual strengths, it's nature of the setting and when characters can literally STEAL SPRING power levels seem pointless.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:01:38 2009 No.2220408

>>2220278
Canonically she's untouchable. She "floats" above reality and that makes her invincible. Read her Last Word spell card.

Not sure how fans turn invincibility to omnipotence since they're two different things. She's like the Juggernaut (bitch) from X-men comics. She can't be stopped (bitch)

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:03:38 2009 No.2220417 I'm not really complaining about Reimu being broken in Chado's shit, but there just have to be consistent rules in storytelling for shit to be reasonable. Koumakyou kinda explained it, but still...

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:03:38 2009 No.2220421

>>2220401
>when characters can literally STEAL SPRING power levels seem pointless.

That's a good attitude. Any kind of pseudo-scientific calculation of who can do what is pretty fucking pointless when they can all of a sudden pull something like that out of their asses like it's no big deal.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:04:38 2009 No.2220427

In short, people need to CHILL THE FUCK OUT when it comes to discussing ideas. Part of the appeal is seeing different ideas, and it's really something we shouldn't drive away too much. You're still free to have your own ideas, and other people should be allowed to have their own ideas as well, unless the other person is really annoying and stupid. In that case, you might as well just plug your ears and ignore them.

Now for a bit of hypocrisy, you guys that just go in topics and say, "Lol, they have lesbian sex." Fuck you guys.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:05:38 2009 No.2220430 >>2220398 Whoah. >implied Awwwww. ;_;

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:05:38 2009 No.2220434 >>2220427 >Now for a bit of hypocrisy, you guys that just go in topics and say, "Lol, they have lesbian sex." Fuck you guys. But they do.

>>	King in Yellow Tue Mar 10 18:06:38 2009 No.2220436 >>2220401 Especially when 'stealing spring' isn't even that high on the power scales.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:07:38 2009 No.2220443

>>2220375

That's because you are a faggot. At the then of the day all Touhou doujins are fanfiction, sometimes better written the the original fiction but given that ZUN writes his own music, his own code and draws his own characters it's not surprising he isn't going to be perfect in every field, but at least the setting is interesting enough and the characters have some personality. Fan works aren't useless, they indeed do add to the series, but at the end of the day they are just fan fiction. Even if ZUN contradicts himself it's still his series and most work will be based around his word... though I swear he trolls the fan community these days, especially now they are making a fan made anime of his work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:07:38 2009 No.2220444 Okay, from what I've gathered, there's about 5 people here that seem rather reasonable when it comes to discussing Touhou outside of games and porn. Do you guys just not post a lot or what?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:08:38 2009 No.2220450 Like I said, characters. Touhou is all about making the characters shine. Wriggle can smack the shit out of everyone with a legion of bugs just so long as everyone gets enough moments of scene-stealing badass to have fun.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:09:38 2009 No.2220456 >>2220443 I don't care about ZUN

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:10:38 2009 No.2220458 The characters will be used in whatever way the author feels is dramatically appropriate. This is the point of doujins. Screw nerd rage power level crap. If everyone thought like that, there wouldn't be any interesting fan material.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:11:38 2009 No.2220462 >>2220458 >If everyone thought like that, there wouldn't be any variety in fan material. Fixed to what I think would be the larger issue.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:11:38 2009 No.2220464

>>2220436

The part that forever locked into my mind the idea that being non-powered in Gensokyo would be Very Bad was the beginning of PCB, where the place has been plunged into a neverending winter and Reimu, who presumably should know this stuff even with her lazy attitude, accuses Letty Whiterock of doing it. A first level boss, one of the weakest characters there is, being a mortal threat to the entire human population of Gensokyo just by not going for a nap when she's scheduled to. How fucked up is that?

Yeah, it turned out to be Yuyuko's fault in the end but the idea that that was a perfectly plausible occurrence in Reimu's mind was... kind of shocking.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:11:38 2009 No.2220465 >>2220388 Hey now.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:14:38 2009 No.2220478

>>2220436

Oh yeah. The reason I mention stealing spring is simply because Yuyuko isn't even meant to have any powers regarding that, nor is Youmu. In order words you could assume any youkai should just start doing something like this depending on their strength as youkai. Granted Yuyuko had help in certain ways, but all the Imperishable Night teams were able to find a way to freeze the night, again, seemingly outside their normal powers.

It's a purely fairy tale setting, monsters can do practically anything in the imagination so long as it follows a good story. Logical and predictable Gensokyo doesn't exist, not if you understand how chaotic the setting is meant to be.

King in Yellow Tue Mar 10 18:15:38 2009 No.2220486

>>2220464

Letty's actually one of those characters that the power level arguments can be trotted out on very easily(since it's stated in the manual that she's just playing around because she doesn't get to do it very often), but you have to remember that Reimu didn't have a clue what was going on until Alice said 'look up, dumbass.'

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:18:38 2009 No.2220500

>>2220478
>Logical and predictable Gensokyo doesn't exist, not if you understand how chaotic the setting is meant to be.
I'm reminded of that one Ed, Edd and Eddie episode where they go around fucking up reality by doing fairly logical actions in weird ways - like pulling off a character's cartoon outline so he turns into a pool of liquid.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:22:38 2009 No.2220523

>>2220458

Pretty much this. It's the best thing about the Gensokyo setting that could be argued as why Touhou got so popular. It's open to interpretation and gives doujin artists a lot of room to write the story they want. Details are limited giving freedom to go crazy with background stories and powers are loosely defined allowing interesting takes on their limits.

This thread has pretty much just turned into most people agreeing that Touhou is not serious business and arguing the strengths between characters is mostly pointless, though some things are given like older youkai are generally stronger then younger ones, though this doesn't stop younger ones from causing as much trouble.

>>	Tewi Inabog Tue Mar 10 18:23:38 2009 No.2220524 i've never cared for EVERYONE DIES doujins

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:27:38 2009 No.2220544

>Youkai extermination continues in name only, and abductions are only carried out for show.
>That plan was to have humans and youkai continue to battle each other in mock duels(*5).

Every time I read this, I like to imagine that all the games going by these rules were all simply acted out in a play within the human village. Even though it's stated that the youkai actually act out the incidents, it's still something that sits in the back of my head.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:27:38 2009 No.2220547

>>2220444

This sort of thing only happens when there is a chance for reasonable discussion. Trying it in a blatant troll thread full of one line replies is pointless, so all you will see are the usual 'NO YOU ARE A FAGGOT' replies.

If you didn't notice, /jp/ has alot of trolling, if it's not trolling, it's a FUCK MY TOUHOU kind of thread and this discussion is again, inappropriate. So yeah, I'd even go as far as to say there are dozens of reasonable people in /jp/ but it's pointless having a debate if most the replies are going to be idiotic repeats about Alice leaking poop.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:29:38 2009 No.2220556

>>2220523
>though some things are given like older youkai are generally stronger then younger ones

Even that doesn't always hold true. Tewi is apparently one of the older youkai, but she's hardly a powerhouse.

But yeah, the consensus is that Touhou is mutable and that's its strength and selling point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:30:38 2009 No.2220561 >>2220523 >most people agreeing that Touhou is not serious business But I like to think some of the stuff in Touhou is serious business, despite the things in PMiSS.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:31:38 2009 No.2220568 I would love to draw a Touhou doujin but I'm worried that I would be fucked up the shitchute legally because I'm a filthy gaijin.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:32:38 2009 No.2220579 >>2220568 I would love to draw a Touhou doujin but I'm worried that I can't draw or write.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:34:38 2009 No.2220585 >>2220579 Don't worry, that hasn't stopped anybody else yet.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:37:38 2009 No.2220606

>>2220556
Tewi's case is different. She was just a normal rabbit but she lived long enough to become a youkai. Look at it this way. Lets say Youkai A has been alive for 1200 years since the fact that the youkai has been gaining a powerlevel since it was born will have (assuming it's one unit of power every year) a powerlevel of 1200. Lets say Tewi is the same age but became a youkai after 30 years of living she'd have 1170 even though they've been a youkai.

tl;dr Original Youkai's are stronger than things truned youkai because they've been youkai for longer.

Plus having good luck is hax too. Imagine all the danmaku missing her because she's too damn lucky.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:37:38 2009 No.2220611 File: 337 KB, 1045x1500, battle_royale_vol1_62.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2220585 No kidding. But if you have to choose one or the other, learn to draw if you want to be popular.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:39:38 2009 No.2220619 >>2220568 If you plan to sell it, yes, you are. If you simply wish to create, then you're in the clear. Copyright law in the US might be fucked, but as long as you don't poke the holder in the eye so they come after you, you're safe.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:42:38 2009 No.2220637

>>2220556

Thus 'generally'. She still holds quite a lot of sway and is good at what she does, hell we don't know if she's got anything hidden but she's clearly respected by the earth rabbits as their leader. Tewi just doesn't seem like the kind of personality that is interested in the fights everyone else gets involved with. Either way, I wouldn't underestimate her.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:50:38 2009 No.2220697 File: 314 KB, 800x1300, 1233292778794.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2220278 >and crying when your favorite maid is beat by some moon bitch is rather laughable in itself. FUCK YOU!

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 19:49:38 2009 No.2220982 File: 561 KB, 1009x1514, 1226244166416.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2220278 Meirin is stronger than Moukou.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 19:55:38 2009 No.2221012

>>2220982

Physically, Mokou is a teenage girl from ancient nobility.

She's not quite muscular, and she can't gain muscle mass due to Hourai stasis.

However, since she's 1200+, she's almost certainly mastered several hundreds of martial arts, as well as that Phoenix thing she does.

King in Yellow Tue Mar 10 19:59:38 2009 No.2221042

>>2221012

China's also a martial arts master, and we don't know how old she actually is.

Given that, unlike Youmu's swordsmanship, her martial arts mastery apparently doesn't translate well into danmaku form, she'd probably put up a hell of a good fight with Mokou if it was a pure martial arts fight.

>>	Suigin !YUsuiginy. Tue Mar 10 20:00:38 2009 No.2221050 >>2220982 China is a youkai. Youkai are phisically stronger than any human

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 20:39:38 2009 No.2221263 >>2221012 Martial art Mokou?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 20:47:38 2009 No.2221303 >>2221050 Did you mean physically? And not necessarily. Not all youkai are physically stronger than humans. Fairies for example. I doubt Rumi, Wriggle, Mystia or Tewi are physically stronger. Yuyuko wouldn't be physically stronger either. Etc.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 21:03:38 2009 No.2221382
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>>2220982

I don't care much for the SDM but I do like doujins that treat China as more than a comic relief character and show her kicking some ass. Too bad they're so few and far between.

Suigin !YUsuiginy. Tue Mar 10 21:06:38 2009 No.2221391

>>2221303
Yeah typo.
And ZUN said youkai are way stronger than humans (physically) and they cannot be killed by any physical means (you can chop one in half and it will regenerate instantly).
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Memento:_Encyclopedia:_Presence
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Youkai

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 21:13:38 2009 No.2221433 >>2221391 >ZUN said Who gives a fuck about what that asshole thinks about touhous anyways?

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 21:23:38 2009 No.2221502

>>2221303
Depends on what you define physical strength as. I guess an average human could easily hold down, say, Wriggle with his bare arms, but she's still basically unkillable by normal means, and will immediately assemble a swarm of bees to bite you in the ass if you make any attempt to rape her, so it's not really the best idea all things considered.

And China is trained in martial arts AND possesed youkai's inherent strength. Given that all the other youkai depend mainly on magic, she may be well be THE strongest Touhou under that definition.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 21:28:38 2009 No.2221532 File: 76 KB, 460x680, 1203283027053.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2221502 >all the other youkai depend mainly on magic

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 21:29:38 2009 No.2221545 >>2221502 >And China is trained in martial arts AND possesed youkai's inherent strength. Given that all the other youkai depend mainly on magic, she may be well be THE strongest Touhou under that definition. Oni.

>>	King in Yellow Tue Mar 10 21:31:38 2009 No.2221557 >>2221532 Makes a good point. It's been said that Yuka is much better at physical fighting than she is at danmaku. The same is said about Remilia, really.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 21:32:38 2009 No.2221561 >>2221532 Yuka is The Turks?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 21:32:38 2009 No.2221562 >>2221545 Oh, screw that, obviously. Disregard that last part, then, I fail at Touhou.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 21:53:38 2009 No.2221656 >>2221562 just edit it with: "she may be well be THE skillest Touhou under that definition."

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 22:00:38 2009 No.2221675 >>2221557 Well thank you, now I'm imagining Yuka screaming RIP AND TEAR

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 22:04:38 2009 No.2221687 Yuka vs. Yukari made me hard Yuka X Yukari made me fap (and d'aaaaw)

Rome !!EPVwTIz4j/f Tue Mar 10 22:09:38 2009 No.2221698

>>2217123
>every character is open to whatever Chado fancies. Some of them are interesting enough I suppose, it's best not to take him too seriously and enjoy the different take on things rather then get caught up in power level crap.
I wish more people would understand this. Not only about Tohnifun doujins, but CCC's as well. Power-level threads may be fun every once in a while, but they really get annoying after the third or fourth.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 22:09:38 2009 No.2221701

>>2221012
>However, since she's 1200+, she's almost certainly mastered several hundreds of martial arts, as well as that Phoenix thing she does.
I don't think it's wise to assume that she spent EVERY ANGSTRUM OF THOSE CENTURIES OF LIFE LEARNING EVERYTHING EVER THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT COMBAT.

Hell, she's in Gensokyo. It isn't like Gensokyo is cosmopolitan.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 22:10:38 2009 No.2221705 >>2221698 How do you define powerlevel threads?

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 22:13:38 2009 No.2221713
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>>2221701

>I don't think it's wise to assume that she spent EVERY ANGSTRUM OF THOSE CENTURIES OF LIFE LEARNING EVERYTHING EVER THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT COMBAT.

Her entire life is solely devoted to killing a powerful immortal princess.

ENTIRE life.

Until after IN, when Reimu makes them come to a ceasefire over tea somehow.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 22:16:38 2009 No.2221730 >>2221713 I never cleared Extra, is there actually an ending after it? And, besides, Kaguya definitely isn't slacking in the combat department, but she actually finds other shit to do.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 22:18:38 2009 No.2221738 >>2221713 It's not really that hard to kill a frail teenage/early twenties princess.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 22:20:38 2009 No.2221756 File: 128 KB, 422x600, kaguya_vs_mokou_06.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2221738 Oh, so you're suddenly a moon bitch murdering expert now? DO IT FAGET

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 22:20:38 2009 No.2221757 File: 265 KB, 500x500, 7dbac8018e178aa2d162c2e173965ced.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2221738 It is when she's a Lunarian wielding 5 ancient magical artifacts. And, y'know, immortal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 22:23:38 2009 No.2221770 >>2221757 Nothing can be done about the immortality, but she can still "die" and all that takes is strangling until Mokou got her flame on powers to incinerate the princess.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 22:26:38 2009 No.2221781

>>2221730

Mokou isn't a Lunarian, so no natural magical skill.

Nor has she been able to find Kaguya for the majority of her life, as Kaguya was in hiding until moving to Gensokyo, and then Mokou had to stumble into Gensokyo as well.

Even at that, it doesn't take a millennia to become highly proficient in the majority of recorded martial arts when most people can get the basics in a year and the more advanced stages in 5. She spends 50 years training and 50 years living life. Or, all training, because she's been a hermit for the longest time. (Society doesn't like someone so estranged as an immortal.)

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 22:27:38 2009 No.2221785
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>>2221770
Which assumes that an outcast princess from a land where even the DOCTORS are bullet-spamming, earth-sealing, nazi badasses, not to mention the finger-gun-toting bunnies, is somehow INCAPABLE of defending herself against your efforts to throttle her.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 22:47:38 2009 No.2221871 >>2221785 >>2221770 >>2221757 >>2221781 >>2221738 You are all making assumptions based on your own perceptions about the Touhouverse. In short, you're all correct. Congratulations, you all won an internet argument.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 22:49:38 2009 No.2221876
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>>2221785
For all we know, Kaguya could just be taking a peaceful walk through the forest one day alone (she's immortal, what does she really have to fear, or maybe she got good at sneaking away) when all off a sudden Mokou bursts from the trees all "OH IT'S THE JUGGERNAUT BITCH!" and penetrates her heart with a carved bamboo stake.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 23:01:38 2009 No.2221942 >>2221012 >Hourai stasis. is she still a virgin?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 23:02:38 2009 No.2221949 >>2221942 Eternal virgin, we've been over this 1000 times. YES the hymen regenerates.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 23:04:38 2009 No.2221963

You know what. /jp/ has lacked diaper Kaguya and diaper Mokou for quite a while now. We need more diaper fanfiction. I like to imagine Kaguya pooing on Mokou while Mokou slaps Kaguya with her dirty, piss-stained diaper, while loli-Tewi milks Eirin and spits the milk onto Reisen's butthole. So very hot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 23:06:38 2009 No.2221970 Topic ruined.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 23:06:38 2009 No.2221973

>>2221963

One day, Mokou was out shopping with the neet. They drank a lot of lemonade and had to piss, so they went to the bathroom together. While Mokou was doing her business, the neet stuck her head under the stall divider.

"So what do you think of that new dress? Shit is so cash, right?"

"Kaguya, you can't do that!" Mokou screamed. "Get out!"

Mokou started kicking the neet in the face, but the neet braved the pain and slithered under the divider and into the spacious stall. The neet carefully squirmed her arm under Mokou's leg and began to finger her. This caused Mokou's piss stream to intensify, a golden torrent rivaling a fire hydrant. The piss was powerful enough to knock down the stall door, sending it crashing into the far wall. Picking Mokou up by her underarms, the neet carried her around as a mobile piss cannon, blasting holes in walls and ripping apart innocent shoppers in a wall of hot urine. When Mokou was finally exhausted, the pair stood in the ruins of the mall, knee--deep in a golden lake. Piss mixed with shoppers' blood rained down from what was left of the ceiling. Too embarrassed to even move, she offered no resistance as the neet shoved her head underwater and drowned Mokou in her own piss. The neet whipped out her cell phone and called Cirno, informing the fairy of a whole new lake that just formed that she can play in.

FINLAND

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 23:07:38 2009 No.2221974 >>2221876 Then Kaguya gets up, coughs up some blood and bamboo splinters, pulls the whole stake out, and then proceeds to ram it up Mokou's ass.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 23:09:38 2009 No.2221985 >>2221973 >"Kaguya, you can't do that!" Mokou screamed. "You'll create a time paradox!"

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 23:10:38 2009 No.2221989 >>2221970 Any topic that starts out with Chado fails by default.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 23:15:38 2009 No.2222015 File: 324 KB, 1008x2870, kaguyamokouhatesex.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Countering scat fetishists with Kaguya/Mokou hatesex, /jp/'s single best writefaggotry.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 23:16:38 2009 No.2222030 >>2222015 There's nothing wrong with scat fetish, bigot.

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Tue Mar 10 23:20:38 2009 No.2222055 >>2222015 YOU CALL THAT GOOD WRITING?! Nigga you best be trollin up in this shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 23:22:38 2009 No.2222072 >>2222030 other than its considered guro here (4chan) and ostracized to its own board in gurochan?

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 23:30:38 2009 No.2222131

>>2222072
What does it matter? You can choose to look at it or choose to sit on the toilet and feel the warm feelings of the waste emptying around your legs, filling up that wonderful bin called the toilet. The japanese understand real fetishes. I want to understand the Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 23:31:38 2009 No.2222142 >>2222131 I want to be Japanese. Only by being them will I understand them.

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