Elona General

[Anonymous No.]

Old Thread >>21850852

>New? Start here:
https://pastebin.com/FDv2ATAa

>Mods:
https://pastebin.com/5ja03yuf

>E+ Changelogs:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29

>Elona Custom Release Thread:
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:29851

>Elona+ Custom-G Release Thread:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:29336

>Omake Overhaul English Release Thread:
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:28909

>Current Version:
Elona+ 1.91 (2019-06-0)
Elona Omake Overhaul EN (2019-06-17)
>Latest Custom:
E+C 1.90.4 (2019-06-02)
Elona+ Custom-G 1.90.4.1 (2019-06-03)
Omake Overhaul EN Hack final release (2018-12-14)


Errors? Set the compatibility of the .exe to Windows 7.
Using GIMP to create a sprite or PCC? Select "do not write color space" and save it as a 24-bit BMP.

If you want to know the differences between Plus and the most popular Omake variant read the pastebin FAQ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21914614
FAT ASS

[Anonymous No.]

Just getting into Elona, the game crashes after character creation. Any tips? Google isn't helping much

[Anonymous No.]

>>21915175
What version are you running. Have you tried setting compatibility to Windows 7. Does it actually create the save file and if so, have you tried loading it? Have you tried changing the language to Japanese and running it until it saves the character?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21915184
>What version are you running.
Plus 1.91
>Have you tried setting compatibility to Windows 7
Yup.
>Does it actually create the save file and if so, have you tried loading it?
It does not
>Have you tried changing the language to Japanese and running it until it saves the character?
Sadly, that didnt work either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21915223
>>21915184
The error code, if it helps

HspError 38 WinError 3 Ver 3910 Mode 0
efId 0 efP 0 Area 7/1
ci 58#466 ti 0#473 cc 0#0 tc 0#0 rc 58#34
3. main_init:Begin ct:0
2. event ct:0
1. game_save ct:0
0. ctrlFile2 ct:0

[Anonymous No.]

>>21915223
And do previous versions work? As in the problem just started when you unpacked 1.91 and ran it? Does a character started in 1.90 and save transferred to 1.91 work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21915314
The only version I've tried is the link provided in the pastebin. I looked for a 1.90 download, but it seems google took it down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21915359
>>21915314
Well, I just deleted and extracted the game again, and now it works.
What a mysterious geamu.

[Anonymous No.]

Around how high should my stats be before I take on Estorc?
Doing a no spells tourist run and have made it farther into act 2 than I have ever bothered before, so I wanted to evolve my defender.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21915447
I haven't done the main story of act 2 yet, but I have beaten the pirate boss, gotten the magic binder from the golem in the swamp that I am wearing, and can do level 70~ nefia while barely taking any damage unless I get absolutely mobbed by enemies... or the one time I ran into cluster bombs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21915473
It's build dependent. A large party has an easier time on lower stats, a solo attempt absolutely require maxed out speed just to ensure Estork doesn't pull a Frisia on you. Gear should be maxed out regardless, preferably with ice resist as high as possible. You're best off clearing all of Act 2 before you do Estork just to be on the safe side, given that Act 2 itself isn't "long", and unlocking Act 3 will increase the AP speed threshold.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21915705
Oof. Ice is the one resist I don't have at least superb. Thanks for the warning anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>21915359
There's a mirror for 1.90 in +CG's release thread. Because Custom hasn't caught up to 1.91 yet.
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:29336
Also Custom 1.90.4 if you want that:
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:29851#113

[Anonymous No.]

So is that thicc angel a thing or should I not be so expectant?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21914614
>Can't decide between jure and ehekatl for dedicating my faith in
AAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.]

>>21916093
Jure is a massive tsundere,not worth it

at least you can pretend luck helped you in some way

[Anonymous No.]

>>21916156
>Jure is a massive tsundere,not worth it
Are ye one a them so called "fagets", by chance?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21916429
Shut it and keep offering jure pillows you molester bear man

[Anonymous No.]

>>21916093
Worship both so you have a defender and ehekatl's secret treasure and then ditch them for a real god like kumi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21916732
Secret treasure stops working if you betray them

[Anonymous No.]

>>21916744
Was that ever confirmed true for all secret treasures?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21914614
Why is my character creation screen lagging so much?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21917112
Sounds like you need to download some more RAM.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21916744
This seems to be untrue. The game only checks if you have the feat granted by the secret treasure, and as far as I can see the only secret treasure feats that can be removed are saint and wicked. So the god feats should stay active even after changing faith.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21917226
I'll give you some ram anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21917260
I thought it was at least confirmed to matter for Opatos? Something like, you get 10% damage reduction while worshipping him, and 1 HP of damage reduction otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21916052
It's Jure of Healing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21917870
Sorta. That isn't actually the race bonus, that's opatos' shell, which you get just from worshiping him, even with out using the gem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21916732
No

[Anonymous No.]

>>21917895
So what does the secret treasure actually do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21918263
-1 damage.

They're two different effects.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21918289
so useful wow thanks opatos

[Anonymous No.]

>>21918317
It's 10% and 5% in vanilla and oomSEST. #blameAno

[Anonymous No.]

How much of the plot is translated? It looks like I might actually be making it to act 3 for the first time, but I am one of the few assholes that likes this plot.
Using custom g 1.90

[Anonymous No.]

>>21919374
As long as you're on Custom-G, everything should be translated. Some of it's machine translated, but you should at least be able to get the idea of what's going on.

[Anonymous No.]

how do i know which enchantment the jewel core of nefia is gonna slap on? its month dependant or what? i want 'able to see invisible creatures'

[Anonymous No.]

>>21919921
The jewel is rng'd with the enchantment on generation. If there's a pattern it hasn't been found yet. Might be minute based if there is one, but there's way to many possible enchants for that to be likely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21919921
inv(INV_ITEM_PARAM1, ci) = rnd(50)

[Anonymous No.]

>>21918289
>>21918317
Since plus's word of death does exactly enough damage to kill you now, I wonder if you could use the secret treasure to barely survive it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21921717
It probably does? It is always the last thing in damage calculation right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21921717
Death Word directly damages you the dmghp function. Opatos's secret treasure is applied in the calcattackdmg function, which then calls dmghp.
However, Opatos's Shell, the 10% damage reduction, is applied in dmghp so that would save you from Death Word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21921776
gee, thanks opatos. your secret treasure is amazing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21921776
So what DOES the secret treasure help? Nothing at all?
1 damage protection would only really be useful for instakills.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21921803
It has no niche use, it's just incredibly underwhelming.

Speaking of secret treasures, there's one for Mani lying around unused, and I just realized it might have been intended to give the "You moe." feat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21921823
>You will never get mani's secret secret treasure
why live

[Anonymous No.]

>>21921823
>you moe
i am retarded,explain

[Anonymous No.]

>>21921966
Hidden feat. Doesn't seem to be any way to get it without something like elosnack, and it doesn't seem to do anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21922047
Maybe it was the wedding ring for lulwy before both dumped each other

[Anonymous No.]

friendly reminder 6/8 of the gods are useless

Farm boy>Jew big sis>All others

[Anonymous No.]

>>21922095
Jure is pretty good for me on this no spell run. Prayer of Jure is a life saver

[Anonymous No.]

>>21922139
Wouldnt First aid kits make that redundant?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21922047
I think that's the younger sister feat. At least, I'm pretty sure it is in the omake line.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21922279
In oomSEST it's "You are cute." Was the feat always present in vanilla? Seems strange to include that when it can never be gained or even seen without cheating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21922095
Lots of them have useful rewards. If we're talking passives then Yacatect is nothing special either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21922249
Those provide decent healing, but Prayer of Jure also gives you a few useful buffs at the same time. Action economy, y'know?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21923068
Talking about passives how does ehekatl passive work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21923122
She stands off to the side and if anything actually good comes of RNG she takes credit for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21922963

Well, vanilla was never actually completed, after all. Noa had just started work on opening up a whole 'nother act and was planning on N. Tyris just being a prologue. So, it's not strange at all that there's incomplete stuff lying around.

Having said that, yeah, younger sisters don't have that race feat in vanilla. You can check their feats by using z when in your feat screen.

[Anonymous No.]

Does it make any difference if I destroy the ether generator or if I just use incognito to skip it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21924148
If you don't kill it, the map stays largely the same with the residents, ether, and generator. But the generator still shows up in Amur cage later if you want it's figure or card.

I have no idea what happens if you just kill it. That should doom the humans there, but ano might not have programmed that in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21924148
Makes absolutely no difference at all. The map continues to think that it's there (as in you'll still get Ether Diseases sticking around for too long) and nothing really changes at all other than it being gone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21923122
mp = calcspellcostmp(efid, cc)
if ( cc == CHARA_PLAYER ) {
if ( cdata(CDATA_GOD, CHARA_PLAYER) == GOD_EHEKATL ) {
mp = rnd(mp * 140 / 100 + 1) + 1
}
}

So, on average spells are reduced to 70% mp cost.
If you meant her secret treasure passive, it adds up to 50 extra enchantment power to randomly generated enchantments. Normally there is only 20% chance for this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21924183
>>21924188
Thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>21924230
Neat

[Anonymous No.]

>Lucky day
>Oh boy here i go gambling!
>21 you lose
>21 you lose
>21 you lose
>21 you lose
I should purge the owners for defiling this holy site with obvious cheating

[Anonymous No.]

>>21924449
Just get 21 yourself so you don't lose. It's that simple.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21924449
Maybe Ehekatl gave the dealer a Lucky Day too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21924506
That makes sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21924449
>not having 700+ luck naturally
casual

[Anonymous No.]

>Use sense object to find a bard that i was gonna steal it's instrument
>You find a small coin!
But where? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.]

>>21925563
Now that you've revealed it, if you don't find it it'll de-spawn and be lost forever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21925806
Thankfully it found it but the bastard was hidden behind a pole and could not see it. Fucking hell this made me really anxious

[Anonymous No.]

>>21925842
For future reference, the wiki has the locations of all static medals. Although it might be missing newer ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>E+C
>Latest Version: 1.89.3
>E+ Custom-G
>Latest version: 1.90.4.1
Does this shit still work?
Does this shit still work?

[Anonymous No.]

theorically speaking,can i get a ehekatl pet,make her AI spam mewmewmew and be able to kill other inner gods while i tank the hits? in somewhere like 'my home'

[Anonymous No.]

>>21926009
Rip little girl

[Anonymous No.]

>>21925995
Latest custom is 1.90.4
But it is in the comments on the wiki thread since the custom G guy is did it unofficially

[Anonymous No.]

>>21925995
no.
no.
The elonac.exe file is the game, it's not a dll or something, so it'll run 1.89 if it's built on 1.89.

>>21926009

Are you in plus? If so, probably not. It's been nerfed, I think it's 77,777 damage now. You might get lucky and she spams it faster than they heal, but that's not likely.

In vanilla/omake? Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21925995
>>21926097
>>21926104

Whoops, I think I misread the question.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone actually know the formula for Megid flame?
Planning on using a Firefox brother with custom ai and wanted to know how it scales and how long it will be useful.

[Anonymous No.]

is there a way to check what your luck stat is at?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21926223
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Sinaha

>By asking Sinaha to "please read my misfortune", you can get a better idea of what this usually unreadable stat is. The value she gives you is 100 - (your luck), so the lower the number, the higher your luck is. Luck higher than 100 will show up as a negative number.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21926166
What do you mean exactly? It applies Element Scar and removes their buffs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21926261
I mean the chance it actually succeeds in doing either of those.
Unless it autosucceeds due to being a spact or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21926285
Guaranteed to remove enemy buffs. Chance of applying Element Scar doesn't scale with the pet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21926575
and the chance is?

[Anonymous No.]

What is a measuring stick for enthumesis? a normal god?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21927045

Weaker, the god binder cuts those stats a lot. Enthumesis will however, still be just as fast and have just as much hp/mp and skills.

If you struggled with tzechth-aseutaoseu then you'll have a hard time, but if he was easy you'll probably be fine. You can escape if you can get to the door, but you'll be teleported a lot.

If you can beat the normal servant gods, like sophia, then you should also be good to go, but enthumesis is technically higher level.

[Anonymous No.]

KILL YOURSELF

[Anonymous No.]

>>21927187
>Not having decapitation
OH NONONO

[Anonymous No.]

>>21927217
nobody uses those lame weapons

[Anonymous No.]

>>21927224
But... But... They are cool!

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>21926890
Depends on enemy magic resistance.
if ( sdata(SKILL_RES_MAGIC, addbuff_charid) / 2 > rnd(400) ) {
locvar_addbuff_f = 1
}
if ( 450 < sdata(SKILL_RES_MAGIC, addbuff_charid) ) {
locvar_addbuff_f = 1
}
if ( 50 > sdata(SKILL_RES_MAGIC, addbuff_charid) ) {
locvar_addbuff_f = 0
}

Fails if locvar_addbuff_f = 1
Succeeds if locvar_addbuff_f = 0

[Anonymous No.]

that was abit anticlimatic,now to the gods

[Anonymous No.]

>>21927336

So, if I'm seeing that right (in the code), meggid flame casts elemental scar with a spell-power of 150? That'd be equivalent to lvl 10 with no enhance. That seems less than ideal, but most endgame enemies would have 200 magic resist, so it'll still stick fairly often.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21927599
It also kills buffs and that is pretty neato

[Anonymous No.]

If you are playing a 'pet is the main character' file,how do you survive yourself? i mean getting AP,enemy targeting you first,what equips do you use,etc

[Anonymous No.]

>>21927706
>pet is the main character file
?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21927764
Pet does all the killing,you are the cheerleader

[Anonymous No.]

>>21927706
Enemy doesn't target you first if your pet is strong enough as a sweeper. You basically initiate with Cheer in every single fight, and healing rain/alchemical rain when necessary.

Survival is pretty much the same as usual. Contingency if you're in dungeons above what you're comfortable with. Pack healing measures. Teleport to escape if necessary.

[Anonymous No.]

Is Elona +C 1.90 compatible with Elona+ 1.91, because the backup site won't load for me

[Anonymous No.]

>>21929684
No. Custom isn't loaded separately on top like a mod; it replaces the game. If you try to install 1.90.1 on top of 1.91 then it will act like 1.90.1, with some potential asset changes from 1.91 if they're not overridden.
There's a 1.90 mirror linked on Custom-G's release page. I can mirror it if you can't download that for whatever reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21929812
Thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>Enter the festival of jure and change religion for the body pillow
>Hmm there is a lot of bards here maybe...
>The stradivarius was generated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21931088
Nice job,i always end up buying it with music tickets

[Anonymous No.]

How do i return to tyris from vis? i cant find the redhead dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>21932593
Oh nevermind,for some reason he has another sprite in that continent

[Anonymous No.]

>>21932601
Gaius-Vis isn't just another continent, it's more like a parallel universe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21932633
Technically, you're just in loyter's head. Everything you do there, you're doing in loyter's head. Remember this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21932678
Lame

[Anonymous No.]

>Zeome is your responsibility to kill
>meshera alpha was about to be blown to bits with a ether weapon but you came first
>gods were about to step in to deal with enthumesis but threw you in as bait first

gee convenient timing you are always the attack dog of someone

[Anonymous No.]

>>21932990
>gods were about to step in to deal with enthumesis but threw you in as bait first
The gods were never going to "step in", the entire time they were looking for someone to do their dirty work for them, you just happened to be convenient. There's every sign that if shit hit the fan, the gods would just make themselves scarse and let the chaos shit overrun the land.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21933051
okay that just makes me more upset considering its piss easy to summon one (gameplay wise at least)

[Anonymous No.]

>>21933083
Except then you realize that the actual gods worth a salt left the planet a long time ago, and what we're stuck with were the retards who were too busy fucking each other over to realize that everyone had already jumped ship.

[Anonymous No.]

I like how only that fairy dude and galvella trust your capabilities to deal with stuff,and the palmia librarian i guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>21933112
It is better this way, the absolute mess that this world is would never exist with the others around. And that is the way i like it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21933121
Norn has an ulterior motive for pushing you forward that slowly gets revealed. Erystia deals with most adventurers in North Tyris, it's implied that you're just one of the people in her employ that she sends to solve the kingdom's problems. Gavela basically considers you his field assistant.

[Anonymous No.]

It's possible to get a speed ring that boosts you by 29 speed, without material bonus or artifact fusion, but the odds are exactly 1/1,000,000

[Anonymous No.]

Warmage or Wzard, and what race? I'm still a complete novice, but after playing a warrior for 2 days, I feel like having spells would solve a lot of my problems.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21933361
Not really,sp acts and scrolls can substitute magic

i like elea for mage classes

[Anonymous No.]

>>21933361
>Warmage or Wzard
Warmage is infinitely better. Wizard's perk is absolutely laughable. Early game you won't be able to cast more than a couple spells before running out of MP. 10% reduction in cost isn't going to change anything. Late game you won't give a flying fuck about MP due to fuckhueg pool and regen. Flat +5% to cast chance is pretty good as it can nullify or at least reduce penalties incurred from equipment.
>and what race?
Personally, I'd go with Elea. Initial stats and potentials are irrelevant an hour into the game except for health and mana and those will follow soon after, so what you're actually interested in are racial feats. All resistances can be eventually acquired with enough corpses and equipment, so those races are out. The only actually unique perks are:
-Get hungry more slowly, which is actually a negative thing to have,
-Find more materials from digging spots, which isn't all that useful,
-Dim immunity, which rarely comes into play,
-One extra skill point per level, which is pretty meh since it's much faster to just use skills to upgrade them,
-Resistance to ether corruption, which can come in handy if you're planning on using ether equipment.
Then there's mutants, but they're not exactly noob-friendly unless you savescum. Fairies start out with a ton of resistances but they can't equip things heavier than 1s, so they're also ill-advised for new players. Also snails. Don't pick snail.
Do note that outside of mutants and fairies, no racial feat impacts the game that much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21933591
>>21933394
Thanks for the advice

[Anonymous No.]

>>21933591
>-Get hungry more slowly, which is actually a negative thing to have,
Worth bearing in mind that this will be changed in 1.92
>-Dim immunity, which rarely comes into play,
Comes up a lot in awoken nefia. And being dim gives a notable 12.5% chance of being hit with crit.

[Anonymous No.]

>Playing anything other than a fairy
Fairies are the pinnacle of cute therefore no other race can even compare

[Anonymous No.]

>>21927706
Use tag organization to pair up with a pet while you're building AP and you'll be awarded for their kills. It makes the animations really choppy though, so I'd only use it when you're in a good position to build up a lot in a hurry. Enemies typically go after whoever last landed a hit on them, so you should get mobbed less than you would as a regular character. Equip a living weapon packed full of resistances, stat boosts, and skill boosts and a shield. Your stats will be just fine as long as you keep eating herbs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21933361
In vanilla class doesn't matter a whole lot. In omake I don't think either class is very good. In plus warmage is one of the best classes for casters and fighters alike and wizard is nothing special. Definitely pick memorization as your starting skill as that is important for magic users, relatively difficult to obtain, and warmages don't start with it.

As far as races go, here's a few recommendations:
Yerles is a good all rounder with above average HP in exchange for below average MP (not a big deal even for a pure wizard. They get a few extra skill points on level up, which is nice.

Juere is a good beginner/quality of life choice that doesn't starve to death as quickly and gathers more materials. In plus you get more materials than you could ever want, but in other versions you have to work for them.

Mutants are an RNG race that could be amazing or terrible in vanilla and omake. In plus they're probably the strongest race because you can control exactly what body parts you get. Difficult early game.

Golems are another good min maxing choice, but maybe not for a wizard since they have bad hp. Their main advantage is redundant in plus so I don't recommend them there.

Liches have below average HP but excellent MP. They also start with a good selection of elemental resistances. They're superb in plus where you can fix their HP and use their excess MP to make a defensive barrier.

Fairies have strong upsides and downsides. Overall I think they're pretty bad but some people like them. Their main advantage is their speed, which is valuable in vanilla and omake. In plus everyone winds up with the same speed so they're pretty bad there.

Elea are only good if you can't stay out of the etherwind. All you have to do is keep a common, easily-affordable return scroll on hand and their ability is basically meaningless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21934143
>They get a few extra skill points on level up, which is nice.
Whoops, they actually only get one more skill point for each level up. It's not much in vanilla or omake where you can finish the game at level 20, but in plus where you can easily reach 200 before the end, it's nice to have.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21934143
>maybe not for a wizard since they have bad hp.
That should say golems have bad MP. Sorry I should have proofread this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21934143
>In plus they're probably the strongest race because you can control exactly what body parts you get
You can? When was that added?

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck Ano

[Anonymous No.]

>>21934143
Elea can bloodcast without imploding so there is that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21934193

He probably means Dr. Gavela in Melgust. However, you'll need to cut off all the extra limbs you grew as a mutant, dr Icolle in port kapull can do that for you. These features have been in awhile.

Snails also work, but you'll fear salt forever and have a heck of a time getting that far.

[Anonymous No.]

I managed to make a living lightsaber.
Been using a plus 15 mournblade for my no spell run.
Any chance this would be better in the long run, or should I give it to my pets/turn it into a resist stick?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21934819
is it worth leveling it past lv10? i found the bloodsuck bleeding too annoying

[Anonymous No.]

>>21934819
Actually, a better question since I went ahead and tested it by changing to adamantium, making it heavier, and adding 3 magic damage enchants with one tick of chaos for status effects is making me mince enemies in the void I dealt with previously.
Are any of the "It deals massive damage to ___" worth taking?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21934074
>animations
Playing with those on at all is painful. It makes everything so slow to do. So very unlike rogue.
I noticed no issues with animations turned off. Or rather turned down to 0 wait so they don't display at all, same shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21934143
>>21933591
Warmage scrub back again. Holy shit basic magic missile is melting everything, this is amazing.

Thanks again for all the help

[Anonymous No.]

>>21934193
Version 1.67. Have Icolle chop off all of your limbs for 1 life, then have Gavela add whatever you want. You don't even really lose anything now that you can raise life with AP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21934819
Yeah that's lightyears ahead of mournblade.

>>21934891
>is it worth leveling it past lv10? i found the bloodsuck bleeding too annoying
I think being interrupted on multi-turn actions is too inconvenient to be worth it, but going a few levels past 10 is very much worth it on pets' weapons. A little bit of bleeding just means they train their healing skill faster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21935127
>Warmage scrub back again. Holy shit basic magic missile is melting everything, this is amazing.
Glad that's working out for you. Don't hesitate to come back for more tips. What race did you go with?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21935233
Went with Elea. I read that their ether resistance also applies to using Ether gear, and the fact that overcasting won't make me instantly explode is nice

[Anonymous No.]

>>21934912
If the information on the wiki is correct and I'm reading it right, one living weapon of slaying is worth about 10% more damage. I'd stick with magic damage.
It used to be that those enchantments always gave +50% damage to all enemies of that type, so it was worth having. At some point plus changed it so the number of #s decides how much extra damage you get.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21935299
One level of slaying on a living weapon is worth about 10%, that is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21935226
>>21935299
>>21935305
Thanks. I have managed to still screw things up by accidentally putting exactly ONE (1) resists magic enchant by accident without noticing.
I doubt it will ruin the weapon, but it is definitely gonna mess with my head everytime I look at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21935252
Don''t care for Elea myself, but lots of first-timers have trouble with ether disease so that's a good choice. Are you playing Plus? They're a bit there since you can fix their HP and their extra mana gives you a stronger barrier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21935320
Magic resist is one of the most useful attributes an item can have. Though its better on armor than a weapon. You'll find another living sword eventually, and when you're high level you can raise them in no time. Although nether breath is a pretty nice enchantment for its AoE life draining. You'll want to train control magic to minimize friendly fire.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21935341
I know, I waited until a lucky day to try and craft some lightsabers and aurora rings and managed to get that one in the first batch.
I am not gonna cry over having a good if slightly subpar enchant with luck like that.
I am also very glad I remembered oblivion palace wipes ALL enchants before I went to 'fix' it.
My control magic isn't that terrible either since I occasionally spam ball rods

[Anonymous No.]

>>21935336
>Are you playing Plus?
Yup. That seems to be the way to go for a first playthrough. I'll look into PlusCustom and such once I get a feel for what I'd actually be changing

[Anonymous No.]

>>21935380
I'd recommend just jumping in to custom. Your save should be fully backwards compatible if for some reason you don't like it. As far as I know all of its changes are optional, if you download it and don't mess with its options, it'll just be Plus with a better and more complete english translation. Custom G you might want to look into first since last I heard it wasn't fully backwards compatible, though I consider its changes to be a clear improvement.

I'm gonna drop my usual newbie tips on you:

I recommend hypnotism, exorcist, and dimensional move for a new character's first three feats. Hypnotism is far less valuable for a caster so you can feel free to skip it, and as a magic-focused character you should be able to get a reliable teleport spell before too long so you may want to skip dimensional move as well. Exorcist is a must-have that prevents your items from being cursed in your sleep, and resists curses from enemies. Good feats in general include strings assassin, knowledge of magical plants, knockout, and zin-ba/independent. Short, medium, and long distance runner are good if you use a lot of special actions. Like, say, if you want to perform at parties. Stat boost feats are almost universally worthless.

Platinum coins are the most important resource to a new character because they can buy you new skills. You get them from doing random quests in town. Escort quests are worth great money early on but watch the time limit. Farming quests in Yowyn are very safe and there's no real penalty for failure.

Living weapons are overwhelmingly superior to almost everything else. Even as a magic user you should keep an eye out for a living melee and a living ranged weapon to equip so you can pump them full of useful stat bonuses.

Try to keep your equipment's combined weight below 15s as going heavier than that will penalize your spellcasting success. Early on you'll probably need to go higher than that to get a decent PV, and PV is probably the single most important stat to a new character. Since you aren't using melee attacks, the extra PV from a shield would be welcome. A shield will penalize your casting success rate by 5% but the warmage passive cancels that out. The two easiest ways to get a good PV early on are to upgrade your items at a blacksmith and to use scrolls of change material to make your armor into stronger materials. You should do both. Once you have money you can pay blacksmiths or buy flying scrolls to lighten your equipment and end up as a light armor user despite wearing adamantium plate mail.

If you wear seven league boots you'll be much faster on the world map. Lots of people wish for seven league boots as their first wish. As an alternative, there's a quest you can do around character level 10 that rewards you with the Dal-i-Thalion which offer a similar boost.

You probably already figured this out, but just in case: you can assign spells and items to numeric hotkeys and should do so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21935496
Thanks! Where would I even begin to look for a living weapon? Are they just random spawns like artifacts?
Additionally, what would your recommended SECOND wish be, since I got another one fairly quickly

[Anonymous No.]

>>21935530
Check every <Miracle> and {Godly} quality weapon. Adventurers, wandering vendors, and highly invested black market vendors are promising leads. With crafting skills you can make your own miracle quality items which should get you a living weapon in short order.

When in doubt, a good wish is secret experience of kumiromi. That'll give you an extra feat. You can only use one SEoK for every ten experience levels, but you level fast in plus and it's unlikely to ever be a problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21935496
>>21935530
A few more tips:

Hold on to any potions of water you find. Drop potions of water on the altar of a god you worship to make holy water. Mix holy water with another item (push B) to bless that item. Blessed equipment is slightly stronger than normal equipment. Some items, like potions of potential, are far more powerful when blessed. If you have a stack of several copies of one item type, a potion of holy water can bless the entire stack at once.

Both your stats and skills have potential which cause those stats and skills to rise faster or slower. Potential drops every time a stat or skill increases. Early on you shouldn't worry about it much, potions of potential are expensive and platinum should mostly be used to learn new skills rather than to improve existing ones. Whenever you do get a potion of potential, make sure to bless it before drinking.

An herb farm is by far the best way to raise your stats. The earliest reliable source of herb seeds is a cute fairy, which joins your party if you earn enough favor with kumiromi of harvest. I think most people wait until act 2 to start a farm because then they can use the statue of kumiromi. Use the statue on the 3rd, 6th, 9th, 13th, 16th, 19th, 23rd, 26th, 29th, or 30th day of a month to get an herb seed. Basically you want one of the digits to be a multiple of 3. Duplicate your statue of kumiromi with the little sister quest. Ranches, museums, and shops are all nice but optional. A farm is mandatory.

Before you ever fight a big daddy, pick up some little balls at the cyber dome. After a big daddy dies a little sister will appear. Do NOT attack the little sister and do not allow her to be killed. Throw a little ball at her to recruit her to your team. Turn her in to the strange scientist at the cyber dome and she will reward you by duplicating unique items. I recommend duplicating statues of kumiromi, kumiromi's god stone of rejuvenation, and magic fruit. Maybe happy apples - they're by far the best way to raise luck, but luck is the least important stat.

Make sure to always pick up and identify the items you get from quests. Some valuable items can be permanently lost if you forget to collect them.

If you ever have a dream that says "you feel lucky today," that gives you a gigantic temporary bonus of +777 to luck. Go to palmia, port kapul, or derphy and play blackjack. Bet one chip at a time unless you have a ton of them. Try to get a long winning streak, usually around 4 wins gets you a potion of cure corruption and around 10 gets you a potion of potential. Getting caught cheating forfeits all rewards you've earned so far, so don't take any risks.

[Anonymous No.]

Well I cleared act 2 for the first time.
My no spell tourist and party have done far better than I expected.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21936035
I just finished act 2 as well, though it wasn't my first time. I was severely overleveled and probably should've done this fight like 10 hours earlier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21935496
>Custom G you might want to look into first since last I heard it wasn't fully backwards compatible
I think you're confusing Custom-G with Custom-GFU there. Custom-G is exactly as reverse-compatible as Custom itself.

[Anonymous No.]

is there a way to use the online functionalities on +Custom? Like an unnofficial server or smth

[Anonymous No.]

>>21937511
There would be, but nobody wants to run a server.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21937533
Well fuck, thanks anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>decide to start act 3.
>didn't know that you get trapped on the new continent.
>only and average of 145 in stats with a couple of non superb resistances.
How screwed am I? Will I be able to at least get to the point where I can go back?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21937810
>How screwed am I?
Not at all.
>Will I be able to at least get to the point where I can go back?
You get sent back pretty quickly.

[Anonymous No.]

Which Japanese E+ version is the best?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21936510
>I think you're confusing Custom-G with Custom-GFU there. Custom-G is exactly as reverse-compatible as Custom itself.
I thought I had heard that changes like thirst removal meant that some variables expected in an E+ save wouldn't be present in an E+G save. I'm probably just misremembering.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21935666
Wouldnt the staves that increase spell power be superior to living weapons for a mage at least? i recall 2-3 static artifact staves who do so

[Anonymous No.]

>>21938591
Slap that enchantment on your armour.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21938598
Unless i am missing something that attribute is gem of nefia only,meaning RNG,unless there is a sure fire way to get it?

i was thinking on stacking Staff of insanity,Vice staff,Vital flayer and blood rod,undecided which one of these four is the worst

[Anonymous No.]

>>21938656
Enhances your spells is from Mission from Sophia. Take another look at the artifact fusion page.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21938583
All it means is that your hydration defaults to 0 (ultra-thirsty). You can safely bring a character with Marking into Custom-G too; it won't crash the game, it'll just have no effect when used.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21938707
My eyes must have skipped it,i am retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>21938591
Oh, good point! Yeah. I only ever play fighters with a bit of support magic so I forgot all about those. A living weapon in the early game is still not a bad idea to cover your resistances, and a living laser pistol will make a good stat stick for the entire game. Once a wizard has decent resistances on their armor alone they should absolutely use a spellpower-boosting staff. The perfect spell-boosting item would be a blank godly item artifact-fusioned full of spellpower, but given the difficulty of finding an appropriate item and huge cost in scrolls of gain attribute, it might be better to stick with the vice staff.

Do spellpower-boosting enchantments stack if you spread them across multiple items?

>>21938915
My mistake, then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21939214
Why a laser out of all things?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21939475
Good ranged weapon? Might as well be able to use your stat/resist stick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21939475
They're the overall best ranged weapon. It's not terribly important for a wizard, but it's still better to have a good ranged weapon than to not have one. Could save a bit of MP against weak enemies. If nothing else, a living laser pistol is easier to get kills with and thus raise than other living weapons. Any firearm type can be modified into a laser so there's no need to keep looking if you find a nice living shotgun.

Bows are worse than guns, but not by enough that it's a big deal. A living bow is still perfectly fine, especially since the point isn't to use it as a weapon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21939214
>Do spellpower-boosting enchantments stack if you spread them across multiple items?
Yes, but there's a cap on total spellpower boost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21940772
>It has a cap
lame

[Anonymous No.]

>>21940810
oomSEST removes the cap, but also removes enchantment stacking for it. Highest enchant only.

[Anonymous No.]

>Forgot about getting my hands in a fox brother early on
>lv 27 now

[Anonymous No.]

>>21944642
Just buy a few high-level slaves and fuse them into him, problem solved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21945089
I say this because i have been reloading to see if it can get it but so far it has been no fox brother and i suspect that my high level has expanded the character pool

[Anonymous No.]

>>21945176
>i have been reloading
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29/1.60_-_1.69#1.69
>Changed the chance of summoning a fox brother from a mysterious diary from 2% to once every 12 diaries.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21945220

[Anonymous No.]

What is the best way to get good armor? I somehow got to act 3 with my pets having sub 250 PV and mediocre resists, but ap grinding them and doing anything in act 3 greatly decreases their life expentency.
Problem is besides static armor and 3 a couple of mediocre living weapons I converted into resistance sticks, I have basically found nothing good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21945686
If you're just looking for some extra DV/PV then find something at least miracle quality with no shit enchants, equip update it into whatever is best for its category, eg into plate mail, turn it into adamantium, then use a craft repair kit. Don't forget to fooproof and upgrade to at least +10.
If you're drowning in scrolls of gain attribute, you can slap on some extra resistances or whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21945847
Nah the problem is I can't find any gear with decent resists worth updating into higher PV gear.
So far the best luck I have had was one helmet with 200 and 300 resistance in fire and mind.
Everything else is sub 100, or just filled with garbage enchants like skill and stat ups.
I also have 1 gain attribute scroll to my name with no idea how to get more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21945946

You don't need to find great resists, except for magic resist. The other important ones can be made.
I've actually just finished making a standard pet gear list for myself, not sure if it'll help you:

Standard gear load-out:
+500 magic resist (1# = 25 (enchant/2) so 20# total or 1000 enchant)
+200 fire/ice (just use dragon scale 50 each, 4x = +200) armor cloak = +50 fire, coat/girdle +50 ice = 3? gear total
+200 sound (aurora ring = +50, leather = +25, 2x leather aurora = +150, +2x leather) = 7 gear total
+200 mind (deco amulet = +50, Silk = +25, silk deco = +75, + 5x silk ) = 13 total
sleep resist
fear resist (breastplate)
confusion resist
poison resist
paralysis resist
blindness resist

Convert gear into best in category.
+10 using a blacksmith.
Get fireproof/acid proof (you might get these from just changing their material, so save this step for after that.)

You gain +1 pv for each 5s weight, or +40 pv at 200s. So always round your gear to the nearest multiple of 5.

Specialize as needed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21945973

As for actually spawning gear in:

You can use equip make to mass produce any gear you want, and farm party time for the stardust.

You can buy Treasure maps at souvenir vendors.
You can get rings/amulets from party time quests (use perform/ensemble) or artifact seeds

There is a blackmarket vender in port kapul, derphy,during juremass, 2 in melkan (S. tyris), 1 old-ran (Lost Irva).

And a blackmarket jewrly vender in noyel.


Beyond that, rush through dungeons. Lots of dungeons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21946007
Also pets can make you equipment, with a higher rate of being godly, although it's more limited in what you can receive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21945973
>>21946007
>>21946081
Well that's much better than I thought.
I assumed they needed to have every resist at superb+, or +600 for all the elements.
That will make things much easier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21946007
Out of curiosity, how high should I invest in black market vendors to max out benefits?
I have mine in my palace at about 300.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21946308
As it would so happen I also have a list of shop rank caps that I made from looking into the code:

Shop rank caps as of 1.89+:

Number of pages:

Armor shop - 735
Blacksmith - 161
Random shops - 60,000 fame
Remaining - 120

Amount of an item:

Bakery - 90
trade good - 120


Quality upgrade: (after random gen)

blackmarket - 4000 miracle chance
blacksmith - 1000 great chance

Item selection:

Higher rank does something to the filter list when choosing items. Dunno what.. The filter function is crazy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21946353
Ah, I'm pretty sure that blacksmith - 161 line should be blackmarket - 161

[Anonymous No.]

>>21946357
>>21946353
Wait. Hold up. i double checked, and these numbers are all wrong in the 1.90 code base. I'll update the list.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21946378
Alright, here we go:

Shop rank caps as of 1.90+:

Number of pages:

Black smith - 840 (armor shop gets way more pages than black market)
Black market - 210
Random shops - 60,000 fame
Other shops - 120

Amount of an item:

Bakery - 89
Cargo - no limit? Seems to go up ~1 stock per 75 ranks. inv(INV_ITEM_NUM, ci) = inv(INV_ITEM_NUM, ci) * (100 + shoprank) / 75 + 1


Quality upgrade: (after random gen)

black market - 4000 for miracle chance
black smith - 1000 for great chance

Item selection:

Higher rank does something to the filter list when choosing items. Dunno what..




Also, as an aside, Ano implemented the werewolf system and detectives using shop ranks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21945973
You go without float for pets? I'm still traumatized from having my little girl drown in a well... get shredded by a wire trap or ventilated by a spear trap in puppy cave... etc...I never let my little girl anywhere near a well or dungeon without buying her a wing first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21946451
Oh, heh forgot about that. No, but my current selection of pets all have float innately, so I didn't write it in my list. I believe that's the only thing I forget.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21946438
Huh. So I should only invest in magic shops up to 120?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21945686
Adamantium plate mail is by far the best PV you can get out of a single item. Use equip making to produce plate mail until you get enough decent suits for your entire party. Buy the cheapest material kits you can find at larna and then have the dwarf smith convert them to adamantium. Use them to convert your armor. Finally, buy craft repair kits from Moyer and use them on your plate mail. That on its own will give your party reasonably good PV. If the shopkeepers aren't selling the items you need then you probably need to invest them more.

Standarts can cover a lot of resistances pretty easily, and a many standarts are good choices for final equipment pieces. You should be able to get yourself and one or two pets acceptable resistance sets with standarts alone. If your resistance situation is really dire it may well be worth equipping someone with the war suit instead of adamantium plate armor.

For your other slots, just keep an eye out for anything with good resists (or make them yourself with equip making) and then do equip update -> adamantium kit -> craft repair kit again. A few item types may be better off as rubynus or griffin scale, and if your resistance situation is seriously bad you can always convert to a material with good resistances like dragon scale. At the bare minimum, converting your rings and amulets into zylon, platinum, etc. is an easy way to squeeze a few extra resists into your equipment.

Artifact fusion is the strongest source of resistances in the game but you need scrolls of gain attribute for that. I recommend using your wishes on those. Also remember what color scrolls of gain attribute are and always check scrolls of that color in nefia. They should be more common as you go into higher level dungeons, but they'll always be a bit rare.

I wonder if anyone here knows the spawning system well enough to say which nefia depths are best for finding SoGA?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21946516
My personal experience says that you get more potions of potential and flying scroll and such at higher ranks than that, but personal experience isn't the best thing to rely on for stuff like this. Maxing out the number of pages of items doesn't necessarily mean item quality has maxed out, however.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21945686
>>21946558
Another thing you may want to consider is equipping your pets with shields. I know no one wants to equip shields on their player character because you lose half of your damage in exchange for a modest defense boost, but pets are very bad at playing defensively. If they're dead they lose 100% of their damage output. The sealed shield or an adamantium craft-repaired kite shield can go a long way towards fixing a bad PV score.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21946558
>which nefia depths are best for finding SoGA?
You can get them at any level, but it's considerably rarer at dungeon floors 14 and below. The reasons for this is a pain in the ass to explain, but I can try if you insist.
Going deeper than 15 will help a little by virtue of making other scrolls less likely to appear.

In the same vein, >>21946579 is right about higher shop rank giving more flying scrolls and potential potions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21946769
Sorta, it has terrible scaling. Even with 10k+ shop rank you'll still see them only every few visits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21946795
Actually, looking into the *GREAT FILTER FUNCTION* it seems as though rank has no effect at all beyond a minimum threshold, and is multiplied by 0:


*db_item_POTION_POTENTIAL
if ( 60 > objlv ) {
goto *db_item_POTION_RESTORE_SPIRIT
}
if ( fltselect != 0 ) {
goto *db_item_POTION_RESTORE_SPIRIT
}
if ( flttypemajor != FILTER_NOTHING ) {
if ( flttypemajor != FILTER_ITEM_POTION ) {
goto *db_item_POTION_RESTORE_SPIRIT
}
}
if ( flttypeminor != FILTER_NOTHING ) {
if ( flttypeminor != FILTER_NONE ) {
goto *db_item_POTION_RESTORE_SPIRIT
}
}
if ( filtermax != 0 ) {
dbtmp = 1
repeat filtermax
if ( instr(filter_item(ITEM_ID_POTION_POTENTIAL), 0, filtern(cnt)) == (-1) ) {
dbtmp = 0
break
}
loop
if ( dbtmp == 0 ) {
goto *db_item_POTION_RESTORE_SPIRIT
}
}
dbsum += 150000 / (1000 + abs(objlv - 60) * 0) + 1
dblist(0, dbmax) = ITEM_ID_POTION_POTENTIAL, dbsum
dbmax++

[Anonymous No.]

>>21946846
You're missing the bigger picture. Take a look at potion of hero, for example.

*db_item_POTION_HERO
if ( 1 > objlv ) {
goto *db_item_SPELLBOOK_HERO
}
if ( fltselect != 0 ) {
goto *db_item_SPELLBOOK_HERO
}
if ( flttypemajor != FILTER_NOTHING ) {
if ( flttypemajor != FILTER_ITEM_POTION ) {
goto *db_item_SPELLBOOK_HERO
}
}
if ( flttypeminor != FILTER_NOTHING ) {
if ( flttypeminor != FILTER_NONE ) {
goto *db_item_SPELLBOOK_HERO
}
}
if ( filtermax != 0 ) {
dbtmp = 1
repeat filtermax
if ( instr(filter_item(ITEM_ID_POTION_HERO), 0, filtern(cnt)) == (-1) ) {
dbtmp = 0
break
}
loop
if ( dbtmp == 0 ) {
goto *db_item_SPELLBOOK_HERO
}
}
dbsum += 1000000 / (1000 + abs(objlv - 1) * 100) + 1
dblist(0, dbmax) = ITEM_ID_POTION_HERO, dbsum
dbmax++

No 0 multiplier here, which means dbsum will get smaller and smaller as objlv(shop rank) increases. dbsum is used right at the end to determine what gets chosen. Higher dbsum means more chance.
So, higher shop rank means lower weighting of potion of hero while keeping weighting on potion of potential the same, thus making potion of potential more likely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21946876
Hmm, that does make common items less likely to be chosen instead, and lowers the threshold to choose potential. But, it still hits a wall when you've gotten far enough for common items to not show up much at all.

With a base of divider of 1k, and a lever multiplier of 100, every 10 ranks/levels lowers the chance for common items to spawn instead by +1, so by rank 100 common items are already providing only 1/10 the dbsum they normally would. You'll have very diminishing returns past this, and by 9,991 rank/level, you'll cap out with 1,000,000/1,000,100 < 1. Things with lower base dbsums will cap out even sooner.

But, it does make a case for getting shops to rank 10k, if you've the money to burn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21947016
So,basically,pump infinite ranks into magic and black vendors,correct? i dont recall the armor shops ever selling good stuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>21947130
According to that formula, by shop rank 91, potential potions and good loot should already be more common than hero potions and garbage. So, garbage will only account for half or less of the db as before. By 182 it'll be half that, but in practice this would mean non garbage items would roll 75+% of the time.

So, basically, once you stop seeing potions of major cure, minor cure, and hero more than once a blue moon, then you've effectively soft-capped.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21937864
Custom-G 1.90.4.1, or at least Custom 1.90.4. They can still run in Japanese just fine.
Custom AI and the various Tweaks are far more important than anything 1.91 or 1.92 have to offer, as far as I can see.
Same with +CG's changes, but on a more subjective level.

[Anonymous No.]

Oh baby. Now to convert this into an adamantium, craft-repaired composite ring.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21948083
Actually, it looks like its DV and PV as an aurora ring might be worth more than the tiny bit of damage it gets as a composite ring.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21948300
griffon scale/rubynus aurora ring: [6,6]
adamantium armored ring: [0,14]

[Anonymous No.]

>>21945973
>>21946353
>>21946558
Since I am thinking on how to proceed I wanted some general advice on how to prep for act 3/taking on Estorc and the south Tyris Chaos Forts.
This is the team I somehow cleared act 2 with (picked up Karata and The Foxbrother after act 1), with my character being a no spell sword and magic device/alchemy guy.
Should I focus on finding better equipment by investing in Moyer and the black markets, grinding big daddies for more Kumi statues (I have 2 at the moment and just started eating herbed in curarias myself), farming star dust from party times to make my own equipment on lucky days? And which, if any, statics should I keep?
I would grind AP, but the members that really need it have trouble surviving at void level 60.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21948526
>investing in Moyer and the black markets
I don't think I've ever invested in a black market. I'm pretty sure it's outdated advice. Anyway, I get by just fine with Equip Making and random dungeon loot.
>which, if any, statics should I keep?
Off the top of my head, the War Suit is probably the most standout fixedart. You could get one for each of your pets if you're willing to do even more Big Daddy grinding (and you're careful to put the old one on a Dojo'd pet before getting each new copy so it doesn't get stardust'd).
>I would grind AP, but the members that really need it have trouble surviving at void level 60
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Tag_organization
Also, if you'd rather have your recall go to a more survivable part of the void, you can reset your void depth (assuming you're playing Custom-G).

[Anonymous No.]

>>21948526
Are you using custom AI? If so, can you post routines? If not, why not?
Herbing cooked food means you can eat it as a meal with a pet so you get more benefit from the herb bit. Sure it'll slow your character's growth down a little but the net gain is worth it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21948526

One thing you might consider is setting up a set of equipment solely for grinding the void, made of the best gear you have. Then taking your pets through either 1 by 1, or 2 tagged together. This should help at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21948629
I tag my two melees that aren't Karata, and my 2 range members together. Problem is that the Defender and Foxbrother still pop like balloons in most places that actually give them AP. The foxbrother more often than the others obviously.
Might reset the void and just fight through until the lowest level that those 2 start gaining AP again.
I gave Karata tactical marshal arts, Karata and the Tank putit barrier to increase their survival, Foxbrother and Defender tactical heal for the mana harvest spact and cure critical since I can't teach them spells if I don't have spell levels.
Also made the Military Putit and Burnt Pork {Special}, and gave everyone speed boosts to put them to the Foxbrothers speed threshold.

>>21948664
Here they are. Ranged tag pair on top, melee tag pair in the middle, karata on the bottom

>>21948725
Yeah, problem is for the foxbrother specifically it is hard to find a void level where he gains AP consistently but doesn't die.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21948664
>>21948833
Oh, I also forgot to ask. Any particular kind of food that is best to be herbed in? I always assumed even rank 9 food paled to just setting up an herb farm and handing stacks of herbed curarias to everyone, so if normal food can be good as well I am gonna jump on that.

[Anonymous No.]

Redpill me on what font to use.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it worth updating to Custom-G 1.90.4.1? I just noticed
>>21948526
post and his team is stronger than mine on act 3 with half the time and is still about 14 levels higher than me. For the record, I'm still playing on Elona+C 1.77 so I wouldn't have to deal with that dumb dehydration system and the anti-afk system.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21948855
The {herb in} effect is fixed. The item that it's applied to doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.]

....oh bloody hell.
I think I just ruined this save.
I talked to leold in lost irva, and since I ended the game for the night there when I played again I left the black nefia jewel
It has been an in game month and enough saves that I am pretty sure my last extender backup is already past that point.
Is there ANY way to salvage this without hacking? Or am I just fucked?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21948904
Yep. Last extender save I ran back to leold and I don't get the dialogue I somehow got the first time and the item isn't there.
How can I hack the game to give it to me? I have never used Elosnak or anything similar but I am not screwing over this save when I finally made it to act 3 the first time.

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>>21948974
Check the Cyber Dome. As near as I can tell, that particular item will be available even if you forgot to identify it. (Same goes for a few other items, like the gene machine.)

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>>21949016
I hope you're right anon. Gonna go hunt some big daddies right now

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>>21948526
Haha, your clock says VI where it should say IV.
I should bother remembering or figuring out which pack that is, fixing it, and mirroring it for the pastebin sometime.

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>>21948871
There's not much downside to updating as long as you're going for +CG. Hydration and anti-AFK aren't problems there.
So sure, update. After backing everything up.
Or more preferably; extract and install 1.90.4.1 itself entirely separate; then copy over any saves, configs, running scripts, and mods.

Might want to compare any interface/character mods to 1.90 while doing so, make sure they'll still work right. If you use any.

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>>21949016
You were right! I got the jewel! Thanks anon.

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>>21948526
>Should I focus on finding better equipment by investing in Moyer and the black markets, grinding big daddies for more Kumi statues (I have 2 at the moment and just started eating herbed in curarias myself), farming star dust from party times to make my own equipment on lucky days?
Moyer and black markets are far less reliable sources of items than making your own stuff out of stardust is. Moyer is still definitely worth investing up so you have a reliable source of lockpicks and craft repair kits, though. A few of your party members still have basic low level items and it doesn't look like you've got many living weapons so that's a high priority. Using a single stardust to make a set of feathers will yield three items with likely higher stats than three of your allies' back slot items. Miracle quality items have higher stats than non-artifacts and that will help even if you don't get good enchantments. Miracle plate mail would also be a big improvement on that rubynus chain mail. Making items on lucky days is nice if you have the luxury, but you really aren't losing much if you just do it whenever. Especially if you're making living weapons, since the difference between godly living weapons and miracle living weapons is usually pretty small.

Another statue of kumiromi would also definitely be a good move. You might already know this, but if you herb in a cooked item of rank 5 quality or higher, you can share it with a pet and you'll both get the full nutrition (ie stat boosts) from the item. Bakers in most towns sell sandwiches which are good enough, and they sell flour which you can cook into even better items. If you have a ranch you can also cook eggs. Eggs and flour are especially good because they don't rot.

You could also go unlock artifact fusion. If you've got scrolls of gain attribute lying around that will give you a ton of flexibility with your equipment. You can also use jewel cores of nefia, you'll want to clear awakened nefia to farm those. They're pretty rare if the dungeon isn't at least level 100 though.

>>21948526
>And which, if any, statics should I keep?
Most of the non-weapon standarts are worth using and many are endgame-worthy. The only standart weapons that are worth considering long-term are spellpower-boosting staves, the blood rod, diablo, rankis, and maybe the solar cane. Even those are pretty situational.

Usamimi, sealed shield, asteroid belt, sonic broom, pants of ogre, argent snow, mighty arms, and cestus of meteors are all quality items that shouldn't be too far out of your reach.

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>>21949119
I'll do that now then, thanks.

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>>21948833
>Yeah, problem is for the foxbrother specifically it is hard to find a void level where he gains AP consistently but doesn't die.
Use tag organization to pair him up with your strongest fighter. When either of them get a kill, both receive AP as if they had gotten the kill on their own. Also your most defenseless character really should not be running around in a pope robe.

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>>21948877
>>21949155
Cool I have a chicken ranch specifically because eggs don't rot so I'll just use the rank 9 dishes I get from it.

I also have 4 living weapons at the moment. The lightsaber from earlier in the thread, and 3 mediocre ones that I have converted into a resist stick for myself, karata, and a final spear I was going to level when I figured out what the hell to do about the current gear situation so I would know what resists to put on it and who to give it to.
The spear actually came from my level 200 black market which is why I thought it was a good idea to invest.

I was planning on getting gifts to give to the smith to try and get artifact fusion running, though I only have one gain attribute scroll at the moment.

[Anonymous No.]

How do you people manage a team of pets,i just use a single overpowered pet for less hassle

gold/silver bell in act 1 then bell of termination on act 2/endgame

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>>21949155
I can't imagine going all the way to Noyel for lockpicks. I just invested a bit in the merchants on each side of the North/South Tyris border and pick up a few each time I cross over.

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>>21949216
A lot easier in E+ with picnic baskets being so easy to make. The gameplay is slower once you go past 8 - 10 members since killstealing becomes an issue, but it's not really all that bad to finish the story with.

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>>21948664
>Herbing cooked food means you can eat it as a meal with a pet
Like having both you and the pet eat it at once for shared gains? How?

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>>21950263
(I)nteract with your pet, select Talk, "Let's have a meal together". Reduces total satiety for both but allows both of you to gain full(unsure but JP wiki confirms it) experience as if you were eating it by yourself. Requires both you and your pet to be at a hunger level below 'Satisfied.' and the food to not be cursed, poisoned or rotten plus it needs to be a rank 5 dish or above to count as a meal.

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>>21948526
HOW do you edit/mod these icons?
I have searched and searched through the assets in the folders, and every single modpack I can find, with no moddable entry for them in sight.
Not in interface.bmp or interface2.bmp. Not in character.bmp, item.bmp. Not in any other.
It is frustrating me to high hell.

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>>21950491

The attribute icons and are in interface.bmp, left side, 3rd row of tiny icons. The header icon is right above them. No idea where the resist symbol is.

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>>21946769
>14 and below
So would I be better off searching the void for SoGA since I don't even think the level 100 nefia I have cleared had 14 floors?

>>21946438
OK. I didn't even know you COULD invest in cargo vendors. I might be retarded/blind.

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>>21950791
Yes. The void is ideal, because floors are randomized every time you enter and you can go deep as you like.
There is no invest option for cargo, their rank increases slowly as you trade with them.

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>>21950791
You can't directly invest in cargo traders, but every time you buy something from them (that you didn't sell them) their shop rank goes up.

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So I haven't played E+ for a long time.. what the fuck is anti-AFK?

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>>21950847
Pretty sure if you stay in one spot constantly attacking a creature for a ton of turns (2000?), it summons a monster that sets your HP to 0 using a spact

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>>21950847
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29/1.70_-_1.79#1.78
>Added an NPC to discourage afk grinding.
>If the player character remains on the same tile and physical attacks keep getting used, a warning message will now get displayed.
>If the player still does not move, the NPC will then get summoned regardless of where the player is - be it in the showroom or at home. (The player is invincible in the pet arena, so it'll just cause an automatic defeat after 1000 turns and boot the player out.)
>It will have its stats buffed a lot and also trigger ragnarok.
>It won't spawn as long as you don't afk with a key held down. It also doesn't have any special animation effects or anything, so you won't be missing out on anything if you don't see it.
It was removed in Custom-G.

[Anonymous No.]

Any anons willing to share their house setups?
Seems like it has been forever since we had any shared in these threads.
Here is the first one I felt ever looked remotely good of mine.

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Should I kill the king and queen Palmia before or after that I meet Slan?

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>>21951594
It doesn't really matter. In act 3 you can find the king again in a certain area, or you could find him in the void randomly. Take them on whenever you think you can.

[Anonymous No.]

It actually seems an alright way to fill a ranged slot. Got it as a Challenge quest reward.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know how to get the sacrifice tonfa? Has anyone seen it ingame before?

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>>21951594
If you're doing Ssil's quest or are running a museum, kill the king for his card and figurine before you go to meet Karam. Talking to Slan won't despawn King Xabi, but it will permanently despawn Slan himself, so kill him first and then talk to him when he respawns. Do the same with Karam. You can delay killing Queen Stersha as long as you want, she isn't going anywhere.

>>21951222
That's pretty nice! I need to decorate my palace too. I'll post it if I get something that looks okay.

>>21953553
It doesn't have a set spawn point and I don't even know if it will appear randomly in recent versions of Plus. Even if you do get it, the game literally won't let you equip it because its stats are too high. If I remember right, Custom G lets you use it if you have it but doesn't do anything to help you find it in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

I've been looking through the equations here: https://pastebin.com/NeG47CyV and doing some testing of my own in wizard mode, and I think that under ideal conditions, dual wielding should be able to outdamage two handing in Plus.

The biggest problem is weapon weight. Plus increases your chance to crit with light weapons and increases critical damage with heavy weapons, but it's poorly balanced. Light weapons get a tiny boost to crit rate but their crits are hardly better than regular attacks, whereas 180s weapons deal monstrous crits and can still crit fairly reliably with a good perception score. A maxed out dual wielding character should deal just over half the damage of a maxed out two hand character while hitting twice as many times, but that's assuming the weapons are the same weight. Two hand has amazing accuracy by default, while dual wield has bad accuracy that gets worse as weapon weight increases. Spellcasting success is also a concern. A two hand character can do pretty well by wielding a ~30s weapon with <5s armor and get crits that do about 182% damage and, with the warmage class, still maintain a healthy 97% casting success rate. A dual wielding character with two 15s weapons will suffer terrible accuracy penalties and their crits will only do about 158%. A 4s weapon does about 130% and a 2s weapon about 121%. This is also a big part of why late game martial arts is dominant - your MA skill is used in place of weapon weight so you can get the full 300% damage crits without making any sacrifices. Bear in mind that your weapon's effective weight is reduced by half of the enemy's armor weight, so against heavily-armored enemies these numbers will be lower.

The one big advantage dual wielding has over two handing is that you get twice as many chances to fire off invokes. If you're lucky enough to get two godly or living lightsabers with the time stop invoke, that should be able to compete with or surpass a good 2H build even with the accuracy penalties. The piercing changes in upcoming versions may enable rankis + diablo dual wielding builds, though using two different weapon types will mean taking accuracy penalties on what is already the least accurate fighting style.

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>>21949217
The thing is that Moyer sells lockpicks in bulk. I rarely go to Noyel just for the sake of lockpicks, but as long as I remember to pick them up when I'm already there (mostly for craft repair kits and converting material kits), Moyer provides more than I'd ever need.

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>>21948526
You should use a business card to change to a class with a useful feat. The tourist class feat increases gold loss from theft. Predator and Warmage are good for their respective +10% to crit and +5% to casting chance. You can even switch out the feat while keeping "Tourist" as your displayed class name if you want - first use a business card and type in "predator" or "warmage" in all lower case, and then use a second one and type in "Tourist" with the T capitalized.

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>>21953759
Thanks for the advice, but this started out as an RP run that I somehow stumbled my way to my first act 2 clear.
Main reason I chose tourist and to never use spells, and instead only use 2hand and rods with potions for health and buffs.
Might end up using the business card and doing what you said anyway, but it almost feels like cheating at this point.

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>>21950592
Those only change the bottom row, not anything in the [c]haracter sheet. In the default they're greyed out, clearly different. I haven't found where the [c]haracter sheet's icons are at all, and have searched for hours on end in detail.

[Anonymous No.]

If I equip both the assault gold and the saber tonfa will their proximity assist weapons stack or will one of the two go to waste?

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>>21953991
Only one proximity assist or shooting mechanism can proc per turn.

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>>21953996
Right, but will if my roll for proximity assist with assault gold fails will I get a second roll with the saber tonfa, or will the two 250 point proximity assists combine into a single 500 pt proximity assist, or will it be treated as a single 250 pt proximity assist?

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>>21954002
Also does anyone have the formula for the chances of an extra attack with multi-attack enchantments? I couldn't find it on the wiki. I hear that the dual wield skill also adds a bit of extra attack chance, is that true?

[Anonymous No.]

Recommended spells for a warmage? I'm level 26, and magic dart (8d24) has served me pretty well. I know the buffs are a must for later content. Casting level 30 and Literacy 25.

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>>21955938

Crystal spear and then magic ball are the next in line for magic element damage scaling. You can just use them, especially magic ball. But, learning elemental magic will scale better eventually.

Assuming you're playing plus, at some point you should collect the three combines enchants:

Fire and cold (from rings and cloaks)
Poison and nerve (from gloves and boots)
Sound and mind (from helms and shields, and later the artifact fusion)

These cause spells of one element to do extra damage of the other element. It caps at 1.5x bonus damage, so if you have 100 fire you'll get 150 cold damage too. This scales with buffs/debuffs/resists.

Cold and fire will be the strongest elements of these, but wet status weakens fire, and oil status weakens cold.

The others are good for status effects.

[Anonymous No.]

Sseth wasn't kidding, there is still threads for this.

Shine on you weeb diamonds

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>>21957363
Good post.

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>>21957363
Sseth ruined Starsector and is trying to ruin elona too

[Anonymous No.]

>Do the quest to clean out the house of cats for the faggot that hates cats
>Cacy keeps trying to run away trough walls wrecking the house in the process
>I am going to get paid for this on top of the silver cat i dominated
I sure love doing good deeds for strangers!

[Anonymous No.]

Just got to the point where I have a decent supply of herbs and pots of pot (lvl 41).
Any advice on what I should focus on?
I can clear most dungeons easy since even my magic dart still ohkos most enemies but they don't even drop decent loot, so I've just been grinding skills and making money.

[Anonymous No.]

Cemetary-type nefia are pretty good for finding stray and silver cats.

>>21957930
How good is your equipment? Do you have high resists? Do you have high DV/PV? Do you have enchants to help your main attacks?
How many quests have you done? Have you gotten stuck against any quest bosses yet?
How is your museum/deck getting along? How is your house rank? Are you the arena champion yet?
How many god rewards do you have? Do you plan on getting them all?
Dungeons are best for big daddys, rare non-buyable items like scrolls of gain attribute and speed uppers, and small medals from the bejeweled chest at the end.

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>>21958125
Oh wau, thanks for the list of goals. I kinda forgot about those since I took a break.
How do I go about getting good equip though if not through dungeons?

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>>21958382
There are plenty of precious weapons and armour that will do until you find something amazing to replace them. Take a look at the wiki and find some you like the look of, and can reasonably obtain.
Otherwise, black markets, Moyer, adventurers, treasure balls, and treasure maps. Also teach your pet tailoring and carpentry so they make you stuff when you wake up in the morning. Later on when you have the materials to supply it, you can craft miracle and godly items.

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>>21948629
Wait a minute. You can just put your pet in the dojo to duplicate unique artifacts?

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>>21958793
Pets in the Dojo aren't in the party. Their inventories don't get checked for stardusting, but you can still give and take items from them.

[Anonymous No.]

On my first character, I used an Astral Light Pen on Fron, which I'm pretty sure is the most overpowered pet that can be gotten without incurring the god recruiting penalty. However, I remember putting her away because she trivialized everything and I figured she'd never, ever be able to gain a single point of AP because her stats were so crazy, and I was worried that once we finally reached a level where monsters could actually challenge us, her low life stat would screw her over. I wonder if I tried hard enough I could have eventually reached a point where she could gain AP, or if her inherent speed made that impossible.

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>>21958832

She can gain AP, it'll just require high level void/awakened dungeons. She'd probably be able to get mid 60k ap total before capping. It'll also be slow, since you'd need more than 2k base speed for the full ap bonus gains.

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>>21958832
>ron's spawning conditions are erratic enough to deserve note. First, the player must have progressed to Lost Irva and completed the first few quests of Chapter 3. Then, whenever a new day begins, there is a random roll to decide whether Fron can spawn on that day, with a 1 in 10 chance of being true. On days when Fron can spawn, there is a 1 in 100 chance of her spawning when entering any town. She appears to always spawn close to the player.

that seems awfully complex,do you just re-enter towns on each day until it eventually happens or be lucky?

i always used a bell of termination as my carry pet due to metal bit and immmunity to all elements except pure magic,plus 2000 speed on base stats

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>>21957655
The video was two years ago by now, the community seems basically the same as it ever was

[Anonymous No.]

back into the void for training

[Anonymous No.]

>>21959076
remember to have fun anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>21959084
>Elona
>Fun
Its number grind autism for me and hateboner to slay the gods

[Anonymous No.]

>>21914614
Just finished arc 3 for the first time but didn't get to pick any item up because the game kicked me out of the map instantly. FUCK

[Anonymous No.]

>>21957655
>Sseth ruined Starsector
honestly the dev are probably very happy for all the attention their game is getting from that video

[Anonymous No.]

>>21959203
Someone went and bought like 100 keys right? i would be happy too

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>>21959154
Thats a lie,after you kill enthumesis you have plenty of time to pick the items,i recall the enemy gets paralyzed halfway and unable to move unless you had such bad luck that he ended stranded just where the items were laying

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>>21957930
>>21958382
You in E+? If so getting AP and raising your speed is a top priority. For equipment, gather standarts and make your own with a pot for fusion's equip making recipe.

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>>21959272
Yeah kinda, I was teleporting every time he came close since he basically one shotted me and when I realised he was standing on top of the loot

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>>21959090
Right, fun. That isn't for fun you?

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>>21958999
Ever since I read about her on the wiki I just made sure to look around town every time I visited, and eventually she showed up.

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>>21959966
Does she stay there permanently or despawns if you leave? i am save scumming in front of port kapul so the clock changes to next day once i take a step forward,go into town,if no tour guide reload and repeat

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>>21960027
Despawns when the town resets, I believe. I wish you luck with your 1/1000 grind. And I hope you've done enough of act 3 for her to spawn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21960160
My frons don't despawn. She's now infested half the cities in the world. It's a right terror, it is.

[Anonymous No.]

I just found out these asterisks mean the attribute is maintained by an enchantment. I don't think I've seen it mentioned anywhere before.

[Anonymous No.]

Making huge feasts for my pets and myself makes me feel slightly warm and fuzzy inside

[Anonymous No.]

Are museums useful at all? i am a slut for collecting cards but not figurines

[Anonymous No.]

>>21960669
Get a bunch of plat at the start of the month with your salary. Up to 19, I think, but check the wiki. Also affects your salary gold, but kind of trivially.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21960700
Do multiple museums stack the plat gains? like getting several to rank 1 for better plat gains

[Anonymous No.]

>>21960710
Nope. Highest only. Also, figurines are worth way more than cards, save cards for your card deck, where you can read them whenever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21960751
Yeah i collect cards for the deck,i just never saw a reason to purchase a museum at all,maybe cloning yacatect god jewel once my herb farm is setup is more convenient

[Anonymous No.]

>>21960759
You can't clone Yaca's gem the way you want to. You can actually already use it more than once a month, but she only shells out once a month. There is some funny dialogue (untranslated) where she gets madder and madder at you if you try.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21960772
Wait what,that sounds extremely dumb just for that item specifically

[Anonymous No.]

>>21960669
They're worthless in vanilla/omake but the extra platinum in plus is nice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21948629
>>21958793
>>21958814
>(and you're careful to put the old one on a Dojo'd pet before getting each new copy so it doesn't get stardust'd)
Just to note, there is a downside to that in Custom.
Putting any pet in the Dojo or a Discarded ranch completely resets its Custom AI learned skills (They're saved to the slot I think, not the NPC).
So you have to completely reteach any of those after getting them back.
So that's a little extra grind to get stuff like continuous attacks or distant attack back.

[Anonymous No.]

Found what I think is an exploit in custom g 1.90.4.1
If you buy skills with ap for your pets, use them in custom AI, then refund them, it doesn't matter if you reinitialize you still have the old skills to use.
Tested it with all my pets and confirmed it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21960027
>>21960160
If you're specifically trying as hard as possible to find her then yeah, you're going to have a bad time. But I just lugged around some gifts and and the astral light pen while performing my regular activities, and figured she'd come when she was ready. When you think about it, the sheer number of times you walk in and out of towns during regular gameplay is pretty high anyway.

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>>21960160
I think I must have killed her at some point without realising how rare her spawning is, I've got the sonic tonfa but have no idea which town she was in when I got it.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a list somewhere of all the 'chara' user images corresponding to which npc/enemy? the one on the wiki looks wrong unless i am missing something

[Anonymous No.]

>>21963918
Would this work? if someone else can confirm i appreciate it,just lay it over your character file and compare (Dont save of course,just to view)

[Anonymous No.]

Got a living lightsaber. What would be the most effective rainbow weapon? One #of Chaos, mind, and sound for status; one # Fire, lightning and nether for undead, wet, and self healing; the rest in pure magic?
I know you only need # for an elements status effects to be applied, but not sure how strength of debuffs or what percent of your normal damage the element does with more #'s

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[Anonymous No.]

>>21965201
HEVI MESHINGUN!

[Anonymous No.]

>>21965201
That's a big cargo limit.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm quite glad Arasiel's and Karavika's quests give shit rewards so I never have to do them other than getting their artifacts. Sophia's is great, just turn up to say hi once a month.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21965483
Hey now, grenade is great for any weapon you'll ever want, and combines mind/sound is great for mages.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21965617
Mind/sound is gross. Gross!
I've never looked into the grenade invoke, honestly, so I don't know how useful it is but I'd imagine most people just go for a living weapon, and those can't be used for fusion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21965483
the 30 socks one isnt quite easy either,also i like the personal headcanon sophia is a pervert and just makes out with you on the basement,bribing your silence

[Anonymous No.]

what should i play plus or omake?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21966956
Play 20 hours of both, and then decide which you like best. Flip a coin for which to play first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21966956
Omake is like vanilla ice cream,custom its tiny bits of several flavors

pick your poison

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967038
Omake is mostly additions that don't change the base shape of the game but add flavor practically everywhere. It's been FAR from vanilla for ages now, even though Vanilla is used as a base. Hell, most ice creams use vanilla as a base, and are not considered vanilla anymore.
Vanilla, 1.22 and back, is Vanilla. Nothing else.