Elona General

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Old Thread >>21767690

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[Anonymous No.]

Arent you supposed to rush act 1 to duplicate kumi statues? I mostly use violent garden on act 1 and golden storm on act 2,after that i just dont know how to proceed

[Anonymous No.]

You shove herbed food down your throat and wash it down with potions of potential, you run around the settlements clearing quest boards for platinum and music tickets, you check black markets for shiny equipment, you clear (awakened) dungeons for little sisters and little bits of everything else, you sit in the void getting ap and training your combat skills.
Vary it up as needed to keep things interesting.
When you're feeling brave, murder Amurdad for the kumiromi scissors. They're really useful for farming.

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>>21850875
Even if you're doing the Statue rush, typically you end up "going back" to act 1 and neglecting most of act 2 to farm (The only part of Act 2 you really use is the quick nefia refresh). The "stable" route is to train farming early to build up base skills (things like farming, weight lifting, and some other utility stuff), and by the end of act 1 normally you should have an initial set of equipment (This is a set that covers all of your core skills, core stats, fully statusproof/fireproof/acidproof, +15, blessed - if you're going for an extended Act 1 run to build up money, then normally you'd also have it fully material reworked).

The actual "time" that you spend on Act 2 is really small, because Act 2 is really all about building up speed and life so you can rush to Act 3 and get the Scissors to improve farm consistency.

Violent Garden should last you through Act 2 if your stats and equipment are on point, since enemies don't actually get all that dangerous, but if your stats/equipment are poor (which means your farms are poorly set up), then you might run into trouble at the onset when your speed is still relatively low. You can shortcut this a little by abusing hermes or farming speed pots in nefias, but neither of these are optimal because you're wasting resources if you're not already at AP speed cap.

For solo builds Meshera Alpha is basically a giant stat/equipment check and that's it. A good set up pummels her into the ground, and otherwise she really doesn't put up much of a threat. You can technically cheese her through various means but again, it's a bit of a waste (especially because Act 3 is mostly for releasing speed cap, with the scissors being very nice but not essential, and artifact fusion because extremely resource intensive - i.e. you'll want to have a solid foundation before you get to it anyways.)

[Anonymous No.]

>eat fruit
>mana increases 1 point per fruit
Holy fuck what i literally never bothered to eat anything but cargo food before i had 100+ herbs and my cooking 80+,i am retarded

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>>21849447
I usually have the opposite problem. I naturally have motivation to grind solo. But by time I get to the point where I have good pets on hand I can already practically solo everything, and I've already got a rhythm down to play with.
Before that I get too annoyed by them. Like their stupidity running into danger, most pets' lack of resistances, getting secondary+ sets of gear to cover them too.
Hell, this file I was level 400 before even touching pets for combat, 100 before setting up shop/ranches.

But with riding multiarmed creatures with inherent resistance, I think I can handle it. No running around idiotically, most weapon slots can be filled with stuff like timestop fixedarts or the many living weapons I have, with one slot for the remaining magic resistance. It's so simple and so effective. Overpowered, really, but whatever.

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>>21850852
>Latest Custom
Custom 1.90.4 and Custom-G 1.90.4.1 are out now. (You have to scroll to the bottom of the thread for Custom since it wasn't released by BloodyShade.)

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>>21851964
Ah heck, I knew I was forgetting to edit something when I made the thread.
Sorry about that.

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>>21851109
Very good informative post

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>>21853157
That is a very nice image. I like animations of eating things peacefully.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any special action from the feats that scales well into late acts?

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>>21853772
I meant damaging special act*

[Anonymous No.]

what are some elona-like games?

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>>21854985
Elona is directly based on ADOM, which Noa was a fan of, many of the game's mechanics locations and references are directly from that game (e.g. the puppydog in the cave, tower of fire). However ADOM is far less forgiving and has few of the whacky elements/no life sim elements. Rune Factory has very pleasant daily fantasy life/grinding gameplay similar to Elona, you can spend every day farming/defeating or taming monsters/crafting things/selling them and generally stat-grinding and building relationships with townsfolk/getting married. I recommend RF4 on 3DS which I don't know whether you can emulate, or alternatively you could emulate RF3 for DS which is far easier on your system. Roguelikes in general have the basic gameplay but lack the life simulator aspects, but are imo far more exciting in the combat and exploration not in the least because of the permadeath and very high difficulty. Try ToME, NetHack, or Cataclysm DDA. If we deviate a little and consider ''combat+life simulator games'' I think you might enjoy something like Mount and Blade or Kenshi as well.

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>>21855075
I've been thinking of trying out rune factory, what do I need to emulate it?

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>>21855366
Citra for 4 and Desmume for 3, I wouldn't recommend 1 or 2 at this point because they're outdated and the games aren't connected storywise or anything..

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How exactly does gravity accel work?
Does it just give your team gravity status plus speed?
I just picked up the feat but for the life of me I am too retarded to understand apparently.

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>>21855965
Deal 10% more damage, receive 5% less damage, float despite the gravity status.

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>>21855994
It also boosts Speed a bit.

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>>21855994
>>21856010
OK. That is much better than I expected.
Thanks anon.

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>>21856010
It doesn't just boost speed once, the speed increase stacks with itself and boosts speed higher with every casting (up to a maximum increase of half target's original speed capped at +300). It seems to give ~20 speed per cast, and costs ~10-20 stamina. Act 1 to early act 2 a couple casts are good for giving your whole team an extra turn every third turn for 40 turns. Great buff

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>>21856139
By the way I just tested it, and while you'd think that you could just refresh the buff right before it runs out and enjoy more speed while having regenerated your stamina, it appears the stacked speed increase only applies when you cast it right after the last cast.

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Does "speed ups travel" stack? can i have seven league boots and 2 aurora ring with garok hammer enchantment for max speed travel on a character?

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>>21856192
>>21856139

The gravity accell speed boost is dependent on th amount of gravity you have. Casting gravity accell increases the amount of gravity you have, which leads to the effect of each cast seeming to increase your speed. However, the gravity effect slowly gets weaker over time.

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>>21857066
Yes, but it isn't linear, you will get diminishing returns. Also stacks with the travelling skill.

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>>21855075
The main issue with Elona compared to other roguelikes is how utterly basic and undeveloped the dungeons are. The "special rooms" are less intuitive then what was in Hack from 25 years ago, and dungeon design in general is just very bland.

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>>21857558
I agree 100%, the recent addition of themed dungeons was a tiny step towards the bare minimum. They're really just houzanha fodder

[Anonymous No.]

Where can I buy mass amounts of cola/soda?
Doing a no magic run so some of my spacts spamming tends to get me down pretty quickly on sp.

[Anonymous No.]

will i break the game if i do the 3 act 1 dungeons before lesimas? i mean tower of fire,castle and graveyard

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>>21862834
No.

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>>21862834
No. You'll just have the items on hand or journal log checked off immediately.

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Is the diablo a living weapon? the wiki description is abit odd

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>>21863017
No, it is just flavor text.

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>>21855394
Can I run it using a laptop?

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>>21857558
Indeed it is an issue. Not necessarily a problem, though.
I actually love the fact that Elona's dungeons are absurdly basic and bland. It makes for comfortable grinding without worry. The only things to watch out for are creatures, and the dungeons are just a context to play in.
If you're looking for excitement, though, yeah it's pretty ass.

[Anonymous No.]

So I made a new character, ugly goblin predator, to check if there is some charisma requirement for prostitution (wiki says so) and managed to seduce level 70-60 adventurers no problem. You see, November is coming and I have a powerful craving for my god Kumiromi's dick... I feel guilty though, because I am a disgusting degenerate, but mostly because it seems like His breakup(?) with Ehekatl weights heavy on Him. What's the story with Ehecatl? Many threads ago I read that She got brutally beaten by some readhead but that's all I know.
Also, I have been farming on my land for a few years now and been thinking about expanding using the money I saved up some long time ago in a modest 10 stones weight, 500 coin kitty. I think a museum and a ranch will distract me while my karma restores to a non-lynching level (red roses were such an emotional sight). But in the wiki it reads that if I will get a ranch I will be required to shovel shit and that's a huge deal breaker for me. Can I make my pets do that for me? I have a few whom I have grown too attached to rip apart in my death/gene machine, whithout any real reason.

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>>21863142
DeSmuME or other DS emulators, maybe, depends on the laptop. Make sure to use dev builds and enable the dynamic recompiler.
It MIGHT be better to run DraStic through VMware Android x86 + libhoudini or similar.

Citra, not likely. Some higher end and/or modern laptops can play certain games without too much trouble. I don't know about RF4 in particular.

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>>21863432
As a fellow goblin, I am thoroughly disgusted. Even goblins have standards. I'm summoning goblin slayer.

To answer your questions all I know about the lore is that the gods first destroyed the advanced civilization that stopped believing in them, then started fighting among themselves (incited by Tezcatlipoca but that is Ano's E+ lore). During which time a number such as Kumi and Ehecatl went somewhat insane, and finally the survivors decided to just hang back and gather followers. You can't make pets clean your ranch but you can stop production from the ranch menu (no eggs, milk, shit, garbage, and animal bone will be generated).

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>>21863907
I thought gods died and new ones took over their legacys many times (exept Jure) after the fall of advanced civilization. Which era was advanced civilization?
So If I want anything from ranch I will need to clean it? I just don't want to touch excrement, even if it is from little girls. Museum will do.

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>>21863907
Hm... Soap is in short supply in Tyris, but whisky is not. I'll get a ranch after all...

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>>21864035
If you want detailed lore info, you should read entries under the history tab on here http://elonagather.wiki.fc2.com/
There appear to have been multiple scientific ages, e.g. first the ''age of harmony'' and much later the ''age of enlightenment'', which all ended with more or less everything being wiped out. I'm pretty sure that Ano tried to stick as much to the original lore as possible, what the NPCs tell you in act 2/3 fits into this timeline as far as I can tell. You can still raise creatures for meat even with produce turned off.

[Anonymous No.]

Do food related quests accept only THAT food they want or you can turn in a higher ranked one?

say they want the rank 5 meat,can i turn in a rank 7 meat instead?

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>>21864035
The eighth era was Asu Terre, in which humanity developed spaceflight and vast numbers of them left Irva and its gods behind. The diminished number of worshippers diminished the power of the gods, so a planet-ravaging war broke out between them.
The survivors of the god wars created the ninth era, Eyth Terre. They eventually built an advanced scientific society still revered by the modern Yerles, although they were highly materialistic and (perhaps not unreasonably) cared little for the gods.
During Eyth Terre, the gods were forced to restrain the God of Chaos inside a barrier of divine energy. A side effect of that resulted in what's currently known as "magic", the advent of which resulted in the "lost era", Naku Domara.
The era before the current era of Sierre Terre was the tenth era, Rehm-Ido. They lived in harmony with nature, but also developed advanced biotechnology. Their story is told during the first chapter's cutscenes.

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>>21864035
>I just don't want to touch excrement, even if it is from little girls
Ah I should make a ranch of little girls and little boys just for that.
I went with tentacle worms just for the sheer weight of their shit Because collecting that is amazing fun.

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>>21864035
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29/1.80_-_1.89#1.80
>Added an option in the settings to turn off waste matter generation.

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>>21864383
...
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Wait... Could you... Kill a god by dumping all that weight on them?..

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>>21864556
Could you kill yourself by writing like a normal person?
No?
Please do it then.

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>>21864608
I regret my stupid comment and agree it was terrifically distasteful... But what do you mean by "normal person"?

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>>21864383
Too bad shit bombs don't work the same way in E+.

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>>21865139
Whoa, shit bombs are a thing at all? I want more information about this. Even if getting them to be useful would require modding and compiling Custom(-G).
>>21864664
It would help if you would never use ellipses and multiple short line roleplaying/IRC/etc shit.

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>>21865549
Throwing shit to kill things has been a thing for a while even in vanilla similar to killing things with alcohol, it just sort of fell by the wayside.

In Omake branches they decided to take it one step further by allowing you to customize your shit via the enhancement mechanic, which allowed you to make a piece of shit that wasn't simply ultraheavy, but also geared towards inflicting specific status effects (shit in omake ignores enemy resistances when inflicting affects), which lead to making hemorrhage shit (shit that was geared towards inflicting so much bleed damage that the target would bleed out, but since shit had weird aggro mechanics, it didn't follow traditional enemy checks).

It's pretty well summed up in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-AS3QCMlxg)), which comes from http://mixednuts1kg.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-53.html (search for フン), where in the level 2 character uses a piece of hemorrhage shit weighting 16k, throws it at Ehekatl, and she dies soon after from excessive blood loss.

[Anonymous No.]

What is a good personality for a Karata? Making him a pet since he looks goofy and is a literal mascot character, but no clue what to put in his tone file

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>>21866475
Screaming. Just screaming.

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>>21866475
Canonically, he likes his job helping adventurers, and misses his boss (the founder of the company that runs the academy, among other things) who flew off into space.
Of course, you can take liberties with your own Karata. I'd probably draw inspiration from Megaten's Jack Frost.

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>>21866475
Give him Japanese poems and whatnot, then name him Karuta isntead.

[Anonymous No.]

Retarded question here Custom-G works with elona+ 1.9.1 or do i have to back a version or so? I don't want my game to suddenly implode

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>>21867903
You have to go back a version.
For all custom related stuff the first 3 numbers have to be the same for everything

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>>21868069
thanks anon

[Anonymous No.]

I keep using nukes and she doesn't die, WTF?

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>>21869823

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>>21869829
use more nukes

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>>21869829

Her heath is probably restoring every time you leave, and she's pretty close to strong enough to survive a nuke, she'd just need a little bit more fire resist on some of her gear. She must have rolled that extra resist on your save.

[Anonymous No.]

Trying to remember how pet crafting skills work.
Isn't better to have 1 pet dedicated to each of the 3 skills (cooking, carpentry, sewing) so they can level the skill up correctly?
Or did I get the skills/facts wrong?

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>>21870192
I think the one with the highest skill initiates, and the others add a percentage of their skill on top of that (message says something like [x] and the others worked together to craft something). Trains relevant skill for all of them too, like when they cook breakfast together. No downside anymore to giving every pet every skill. But I don't think this was always the case, this is relatively recent

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>>21869829
>Setting off multiple nuclear bombs in your own house to murder a cute girl that saved your life just to steal her dagger that gives you cancer when you hold it

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As a wizard what skill should i prioritize first? memorization? reading? something else?

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>>21869829
wait wasnt this trick removed? dont they leave if you leave your home?

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>>21869829
Haha is that really supposed to be fire? They look like fluffy beanbag chairs.

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>>21870934
only if you visit vernis

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>>21870927
Reading then Memorization. Casting you're going to level up eventually either way, and in E+ it's easy enough to get spell experience through teachers. You need reading early to get to higher tiers of ancient books to make the Mage Guild quest relatively easier to handle, and to access key books for the Mage Guild Book Shipper.

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>>21870565
If she didn't wanted to get nuked then she should give me the cancerdagger

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>>21864141
>http://elonagather.wiki.fc2.com/
Good stuff, thanks for posting this.

>>21864248
I'm not sure about food-specific quests, but for generic "I want it" quests, if they ask for an ingredient, say flour, and you cook it before handing it in they accept it.

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>>21870192
In plus you want your character and all pets to have every skill.

[Anonymous No.]

Just remembered Elona is an actual game and not just a defense flash game. Is Vanilla worth playing at all just to see how the original game is? If not I'll just consult the pastebin.

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>>21872487
If your goal is to see how the original game is then you might as well play vanilla, yes.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any reason to evolve a foxbrother into a 9 tail fox brother instead of Firefox?
The extra stats seem miniscule in comparison to getting Megid Flame

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>>21872487
At this point Vanilla's only worth playing for curiosity's sake. oomSEST is a much-improved version of the same fundamental experience, and Plus has several times more content.

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>>21877527
Wait i just noticed that woman is jure,isnt it? why would she do gardening

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>>21877818
No, she is the artists PC

[Anonymous No.]

it's a grown up younger sister

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>>21878676
I see green hair with a red streak and my brain just jumps to jure,ops

Also,is there any benefit in making a weapon heavier than 4kg for two handed purposes?

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>>21878721
Crit damage boost caps at 180s, so yeah.
Going that high obviously puts you in heavy armor territory though, since weapon sadly counts for that. So it comes with a casting chance penalty.

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>>21878803
No biggie i am going pure warrior and gonna rely on sp acts to be useful late game

mana will basically be a second hp bar with barrier feat

[Anonymous No.]

E+Custom 1.91 when? I want this change where low-level items no longer become ultra rare later in the game.

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>>21880208
No idea. Sableye proved that it can still be done, but it doesn't seem like anyone's willing to take over maintaining it.

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>>21878692
>Grown up younger sister
Disgusting.

[Anonymous No.]

Did i fucked my resolution or something? or its the shack THAT small?

also its a heavy diablo or flame edge more useful as a 2H weapon until i get dragonslayer?

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>>21882457
Shacks that tiny, or you'd be able to walk off the edge.

Diablo is better than both flame edge and dragon slayer.

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>>21882457
Your DV and PV seem a little low. Are you raising your equipments enchantments at all?

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>>21882650
I tend to do that much later,my diablo is +15

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>>21882457
Lmao just use the board and make it bigger

[Anonymous No.]

>Spawn young girl
>She comes with engagement jewelry
>I have to take it off her so she now hates me
I did not even gave that to you why the fuck are you so upset?

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>>21882818
>Trying to take ENGAGEMENT JEWELRY
That's like a supreme insult around here. What are you doing?

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>>21883054
If it were engagement jewelry i gave i would understand but it was not.

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>>21883106
It was from her previous owner, which she stills loves.

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>>21883170
Too bad, i accept no competition in the field of love. I will surpass her previous owner.

[Anonymous No.]

Is is worth nuking palmia for the wicked treasure?

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>>21883192
if you wanna be stealy man and steal fucking everything then why not?

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>>21883192
It's optimal for getting Little Sisters, in terms of how many you can get before needing to re-up on karma. Also, you don't need to carry a whistle around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21883188
NTR Quest

[Anonymous No.]

What's a good way to know if I can take on zeome if I want to do the main campaing last?

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>>21883462
If you can beat nefia bosses at the 70+ tier, you can beat Zeome. (50 would have been ok but some Nefia bosses are deceptively easy)
If you can beat any of the Fort bosses, you can beat Zeome.
If you can consistently push through Void bosses, you can beat Zeome.

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>>21882457
The dragonslayer is pretty bad, especially for how late it becomes available. Both diablo and the flame edge are better. If we're assuming no artifact fusion, the flame edge does more damage, but diablo's nerve element and time stop make it overall the best of the three. All three of them get stomped by any living weapon.

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>>21883462
Just fight him and see. Nothing stops you from running away if he's too strong. As long as you have decent resistance to magic and chaos he shouldn't be able to kill you.

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>>21883878
Isn't the diablo a living weapon though?

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>>21883192
Everything in palmia will respawn so there's no serious loss. The saint treasure is best if you want a tax discount, the wicked treasure is best if you often do things that cost karma like pickpocketing, rescuing little sisters, and killing wandering vendors.

I'd favor the saints treasure in omake variants since it's easier to increase karma. Rescuing little sisters awards more karma than it costs, indulgences are more affordable, and guards are less likely to suspect you for turning in unopened wallets and briefcases.

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>>21883900
That's just flavor text. It doesn't have any the ability to level up like living weapons do.

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>>21883931
oof

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>>21883936
It can become pretty solid if you spend the resources to fill it with magic damage, though rankis would be even better.

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>>21883928
In Omake variants you're going to need to kill Gwen 100 times for the +20 karma anyways, and to be honest, the Wicked Treasure in Omake is a massive hindrance if you ever get to the point where you need to set up a Justice Binder. In E+ there's really no reason not to get it, but in Omake there are valid reasons to not touch it at all.

[Anonymous No.]

Playing a character with -100 karma permanently doesnt sound too bad,the only downsides i see is not being able to take quests from guards and having to carry disguise kits to shop,you can kill plunder and rape to your hearts content after that

[Anonymous No.]

>>21884020
Just become the baron of Derphy, who needs any other town?

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>>21884014
>Justice Binder
Don't know what that is. Something to do with justice weapons?

>>21884014
>In Omake variants you're going to need to kill Gwen 100 times for the +20 karma anyways
That reminds me, I forgot to mention that if you literally eat gwen alive, you get a karma boost. Super easy once you have false swipe.

[Anonymous No.]

The Plus critical chance bonus from heavy weapons seems pretty worthless. About a 17% chance to crit with the lightest weapon possible, and the crits will barely do more damage than a normal attack. On the other hand, the extra critical damage from heavy weapons is a huge deal. Even dual wield characters are probably better off making their weapons as heavy as their accuracy will allow.

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>>21884121
Omake doesn't have the stat reducing items that E+ has when it comes to Gods and the God Binder, which makes certain grind techniques really awkward when your stats get to a certain threshold. To compensate for this, you use a specifically built Justice Weapon designed to increase specific base stats.

Justice Weapons work so that if your Karma is negative, the stat boosts effectively invert, which means you can then use it to serve as a stat cap - the picture attached shows a Level 4 Justice Stone that reduces Speed/Mana and other assorted skills. Speed is extremely important for the Mani Material Mining technique, so having a Justice Binder (can be anything, but needs to be built for Speed first and foremost) is extremely important (since MMM is the quickest leveling technique via mass descent potion crafting).

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>>21884201
>>21884121
Of course, the use of a Justice Binder isn't just limited to MMM, since some Opatos Starvation Survival setups also like to have a Justice Binder handy as a guarantee, while other set ups like Gluttony Baths ideally will use a Justice Binder in addition to the Full Damage Reduction equipment set just to accelerate the process.

All in all, finding a Justice Weapon (Using a Wish) is a pretty good investment early game.

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>>21884201
>>21884229
Interesting! Thanks for the info.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21882457
Here, edit this into your interface.bmp. Using paint should work.

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>>21884990
I will do this tomorrow,but if i may ask what does a clock has to do with the weird shack size not being centered?

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>>21885094
Nothing at all. It's just an offhand suggestion.
The shack is not a weird size since it's always that way. And maps are always aligned to the top left regardless. It's been that way as far back as I can remember and see.

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>>21885107
Oh i just noticed my clock has two "VI" and no "IV",ops

[Anonymous No.]

Is that beach chapel place where you change the game experience settings supposed to have black textured tiles?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21884201
Why would that be better than just riding a snail with the steel dragon ring? You'll end up at 10 speed all the same.

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>>21884201
After a year of playing custom+ it finally clicks on me why the god 4th tier rewards are good for training,they reduce the designated skill to 1 so it levels up as fast as if it was lv1 like a fresh character,correct?

[Anonymous No.]

elona killed my keyboard

[Anonymous No.]

>>21885212
Because it isn't just about speed. You're also looking to hit minimum Mana, Life, and other skills in order to maximize the use of the various Bath setups (Asura, Gluttony, etc.). MMM also does not favor the use of Snail Riding, because solo MMM uses a Mine Dog and the optimal set up for solo MMM is to ride the Mine Dog in a single cell shelter. If you have to ride a snail, your best bet is to use dual MMM, and dual MMM is a lot more set up intensive because MMM is faith dependent.

Steel Dragon Ring is a terrible item in Omake, because not only is the speed reduction negligible, it also is counterproductive towards a FDR equipment set because it has too many worthess enchants on it, whereas a weapon is never part of the FDR equipment set. (And a FDR set requires every single piece to be contributing because otherwise the blacksmithing requirements get astronomically high - even the base requirements need a single hammer transcendence, and hammer transcendence is stupidly painful to grind out)

>>21885250
Effectively yes.

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>>21885299
>>21885250
Well now i feel stupid for not figuring that out earlier,this should help speeding things up on my solo file

[Anonymous No.]

If you're wearing a 4th tier god reward to lower a skill to 1, do you get superfast gains from dumping skill points into it, or does only conventional training work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21885309
>>21885250
>>21885370

They don't level up as fast, they proc exp as fast. But that exp will still be reduced based on the current base level of the stat not the modifed stat level. This can still be a lot faster (especially for magic capacity training), but it's not quite that fast.

>>21885299

That still doesn't make sense. If you have MMM set up already you'd just level your skills using skill points with all the descent potions you can make. You'll gain attributes by just eating herbs using kumiromi's festival spact with hunger demons.

Doing solo MMM with a mine dog will uses the minedog's speed, not yours, plus slowing down won't do anything. You grid mats based on turns passed, not speed, speed only matters if you're waiting for a pet to grid mats.

You also don't need a +1 hammer to get full damage reduction, you don't even need it to get full damage null on a singe piece of gear, ~1200 is enough for that. with a full set of gear you'd only need a hammer around lvl 120 to hit damage null, and that's assuming you don't use high level shields.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21885370
Conventional training. It isn't so much that your "base stat" for the skill is actually 1, but rather that, because you're dealing so much less in terms of output, you grow faster because you can spam easier. Like if your Tactics for instance is extremely high, you kill things too quickly to really gain that much experience out of it, but if you lower your Tactics, you get more hits, therefore you get more experience and the leveling is faster.

That's the fundamentals behind the Sasumata + Mech. Binder combination.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21885394
>>21885397
Well that's not nearly as exciting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21885299
>Bath setups (Asura, Gluttony, etc.)
I'm going to guess that these are skipping turns near an asura to train skills like evasion and skipping turns near hungry ghosts so to eat more food?

[Anonymous No.]

When is jure offering item gonna be changed to heal potions? shes just copying opatos

[Anonymous No.]

>>21885394
>That still doesn't make sense. If you have MMM set up already you'd just level your skills using skill points with all the descent potions you can make. You'll gain attributes by just eating herbs using kumiromi's festival spact with hunger demons.

From what I can tell, your base assumption is that people will use each of the powergrinding methods in conjunction with one another. You're not incorrect in saying that you can level skills via alternative methods, but I'm not sure what merit that has unless our fundamental assumption is that everyone is going to play optimally and use every method in conjunction.

>Doing solo MMM with a mine dog will uses the minedog's speed, not yours, plus slowing down won't do anything. You grid mats based on turns passed, not speed, speed only matters if you're waiting for a pet to grid mats.

You're correct on this.

>You also don't need a +1 hammer to get full damage reduction, you don't even need it to get full damage null on a singe piece of gear, ~1200 is enough for that. with a full set of gear you'd only need a hammer around lvl 120 to hit damage null, and that's assuming you don't use high level shields.

The proc rate is (EnchantStr/60+3)% unless Omake changed that or another fork decided to use a different formula. 1200 only yields 23% activation. Minimum base enchant strength requires 5820 strength to achieve FDR. You're not wrong that you don't need a +1 hammer to hit FDR (At gemstone softcap of 80 you need effectively 11 pieces given EnchantStrCap = (Hammer Level/10)*50). This then becomes a build issue, where again I'm sure there are situations in which one scenario works and another doesn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21885427
You set up an Asura as a "Guard" somewhere, which means they'll aggro if you bash them too much. With a proper set up to survive the hits, you give them weapons that drain mana. With your Mana at 1, you can train Magic Capacity and Will just by holding down the button, because the Asura chain attacks you and the magic reaction doesn't kill you.

[Anonymous No.]

Oh shit, BloodyShade's backup/mirror is down.
Does anyone have a large archive of Custom as far back as possible?
I was hoping to look through changes between the anti-savescumming version (1.60 something?) and the one before it, to try and undo some of the droprate changes in a personal version of Custom-G.
And I also want them just to archive for archival's sake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21885492

They don't need to min-max optimally, but then, why would they build a justice weapon for min-maxing? Those things take even more grind.

Yeah, I meant hammer level 1200, not enchant strength. The soft cap of 80 isn't that big of a deal either, It's not that hard to get a few more levels using just skins, it's only a nightmare to go the full way to 1200.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21885602
I don't get where minmaxing came into this. This entire thread started with considerations of whether you should get the Wicked Treasure or the Saint Treasure, leading in to an explanation of what a Justice Binder is, leading in to what uses there were for a Justice Weapon, before we got into our discussion of other systems like FDR, MMM and whatnot. I was under the impression that we were just discussing these systems for what they were, not a matter of path optimization.

Frankly, I don't really see any of these as minmax strategies, they're just grinding avenues that become available, and there are tools to facilitate them. And admittedly, most of the English community doesn't care enough about Omake forks to even consider doing anything remotely close to these avenues, so the discussion is largely academic. I suppose it only gets a bit more meaningless when we consider that we are talking about a fork where an integrated system that completely negates the grind exists, and it's a system that we can't really consider cheating given that it was intentionally implemented to make the experience more enjoyable for people who wanted to use it.

I mean I could see merit to discussing this in terms of minmaxing if we were considering it in terms of a speedrun to hit the Bingo board, but then...is anyone actually interested in that at all?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21885756

A justice binder would only exist in the context of min-maxing, but sure. That doesn't have much to do with the original discussion.


There aren't many people posting endgame omake characters, but I think that has more to do with people no longer posting their characters here on the chan. I've actually gotten an endgame oomSEST character myself, and have used the strategies I mentioned. I really would be interested in better power leveling strats should they exist. In particular, I had not really heard about justice binders, just using food and skill points to power level, and bubbling to bootstrap your initial stats. If what I've used is better, though, then I'll stick with it. The newest version of oomSEST lets you reach 9999 base in all stats, so speed is very much appreciated in hitting those new caps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21885776
>There aren't many people posting endgame omake characters, but I think that has more to do with people no longer posting their characters here on the chan

There aren't many people posting endgame omake characters because quite frankly, Omake is substantially more work for "less" payoff than E+ as far as a fork goes, and it isn't reasonable to expect people to be interested in Omake when its main selling point is "grind autistically for the sake of it". That only appeals to a very niche group of players, and Elona is already a very niche game. Critics of E+ may point out that the story's writing is crap and whatnot, but the structure and pacing of E+ is much more distinct than the "sandbox" approach that Omake's Achievement Guidelines takes. People can go through the Acts of E+ and come out relatively satisfied to draw a close on things. People go through Omake and don't really know where to call it quits.

This is probably a problem that many people who have tinkered with Reset Loop Optimization can relate to. Eventually you just get fixated on doing the same map over and over and over, to the point where you don't even know why you're bothering except the routine feels familiar and it's "nice" to just obsessively slaughter Tuwen/Anubis and do nothing else.

It's not to say that Omake doesn't have its own charms and features, but the proverbial cost of entry is higher than the reward. A lot of Omake's quirks are fun to find out second hand and make for entertaining stories, but very aggravating to figure out first hand, even worse for people who have to do it blind (probably nightmarish for those who aren't Japanese literate). It is very hard to deny that from the perspective of players that started with E+, Omake is more of a chore than a game, and most of this general's community followed E+ as the sole fork.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21885879

There's certainly fewer people playing omake, but hardly anyone is posting plus characters here anymore either. Look at this thread, only 3 people have posted screens from their own characters over the span of a week and 140 posts.

People do still play omake and plus, they just don't post about their characters anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21885944
Well it's not like our community was ever that large. In the past much of our activity was fractioned between random posters, Kai doing his testing, and the usual "people asking questions" as updates rolled in. But it's not like we really latched on to specific characters and their storylines all that often. We had meme images more often than characters.

[Anonymous No.]

I tried using nanomachine material kits and craft repair kits on some items to see how it compares to the other top tier materials. Doesn't seem like it's good for much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21886053
It's uhh...amusing for a full nanomachine armour set with nanomachine claws and pretending that you're Senator Armstrong here to create a new North Tyris complete with clone babbies and NANOMACHINES son.

[Anonymous No.]

>Catch a camouflaged imp and a cockatrice
>Ultimately cuck Zeome cause he mostly cant do shit cause of the cock and the imp keep slowing him down
>Gloriously ride my dinosaur and decapitate him with my scythe

I think I prepared a bit too well for this guy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21886332
At least you didn't wait until you had Meteor prepped for him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21855075
Sseth is that you xD

[Anonymous No.]

>>21886340
I actually am a also a spellcaster and I got meteor occasionally from dreams and scrolls of wonder. How much does that shit fuck him up?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21886378
Damage = magic * spell level * magic boost, so for a low level cast, not much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21886378
With typical Act 1 stats...you're better off with Cthugha casting it rather than casting it yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21885568
This should be all or nearly all of them.
https://mega.nz/#F!iEQkRApJ!3lgUoh_O4arUgHJizqZAjg

[Anonymous No.]

>>21886572
Glorious. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21885879
This is a nice write-up. The posts leading up to it too, you guys are civil and informative

[Anonymous No.]

>>21887389
I agree. All I mainly do is suboptimally RP in plus but it is nice to hear about all the crazy minmax things you can do. Especially since omake has barely anything documented in English

[Anonymous No.]

Finally. I have been pursuing this NPC for days trying to find her in a town for this but it was worth it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21887744
is that a new artifact?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21887828
Maybe? I dunno. It sure looks like it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21887744
Can you enable the Objet of Heart Tweak to show detailed values?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21887828
Looks like the new fleure unique. 1.90 added a unique of some kind for every single weapon type that didn't have one before. They're all random generation only though, at least for now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21887881
>>21887828

It is. Ano recently added in a bunch of artifacts for all the weapon types that didn't have any.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21887958
i am guessing only adventurers carry those?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21887969
They should drop pretty much wherever, just rarely. Adventurers might be more likely to have them, though, as they have a high loot quality.

These are from testing in wizard mode.

[Anonymous No.]

Wait, you get thirsty and need to drink now?
Oh boy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21888465
Only in normal plus and Custom 1.77+. Custom-G, versions before 1.77, and all the other forks (To my knowledge) don't require that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21888487
That's good to know, thank you Anon.

[Anonymous No.]

When will gwen give me her innocence? My hands are full with the blood of many deaths.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21888512
Bathe yourself in her blood

[Anonymous No.]

>>21885260
Elona threatens to kill my hand. I have to take breaks constantly because I can sense the suffering about to be inflicted on my hand if I don't.
I can feel the arthritis building up

[Anonymous No.]

>>21888999
How? Are you using the numpad on one hand and the other for letters/shift/esc, or some other setup?
It really shouldn't cause that much strain.

It's a good idea to take breaks and stretch anyway. But check your posture too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21887958
Are any of these items any good? The wiki doesn't seem to have info for most of them.

[Anonymous No.]

Maid mansion or palace first?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21889107
They're good by the standards of E+ precious weapons but none of them compare to a living weapon. Scorpierce would have potential if not for its teleport prevention.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21889425
What is the one for the kunai if you could post?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21889451

[Anonymous No.]

>>21889425
The scorpierce is ranged so it is not that bad. That stop time is juicy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21888999
If I play lying down with my laptop it sometimes affects my wrists, but I don't have any trouble when I'm properly sitting at a desk.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21888512
Use false swipe to get her down to 1 hp and then use the eat special action. You'll absorb her innocence for, if I remember right, +5 karma.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21889457
thanks!

[Anonymous No.]

>>21889457
Could i put this on my throwing slot and the hit bonus help my main weapon accuracy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21889493
No, a weapon's accuracy bonus applies only to itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21889391
Maid mansion.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone know the ranged modifiers for the new ranged weapons? Are laser pistols still the king?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21889748
They're all existing weapon types, so whatever matches that.
Like their point is to make a unique for every weapon type that didn't already have one. Ranged modifier shouldn't be different. You can check that in source.hsp or sourceg.hsp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21887958
Mind if I see the details for the drill and scissors?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21890189
>They're all existing weapon types, so whatever matches that.
To be clear, I mean the new types. But I was able to find them in source.hsp. I added them to the wiki page, but it turns out gun pairs are the same as pistols, blade bows are the same as short bows, and crossfires are the same as crossbows.

>>21890257
It's pretty easy to check yourself. Start a new character, hit F12 to bring up the console. Type wizard and hit enter. Now you're in wizard mode. Push F5 to wish for any type of item, including precious items.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21889391
The maid mansion gives you free lunches for your party, the statue of yacatect, and a south tyris return point. I'd prioritize that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21889425
I prefer having prevent teleport on, because it also prevents other creatures from teleporting you.

[Anonymous No.]

Alrighty, for anyone wanting the new weapon stats, I think I got them all here. Feel free to copy these to the wiki, or not.

I can't get the numbers to show up, since custom is needed for that and it's not out for 1.91 yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21891042
>Nazuna's Sox
The sox stink so bad that it inflicts nightmare, attacks people's nerves, and poisons them.
>Power Triangle
Oh hey this might actually be a little comparable to a Living Weapon speced for spellcasting.

[Anonymous No.]

If I eat rotten corpses/fruit (especially questioning fruit), do I still get the small bonuses to my attributes that are written on the wiki? In dungeons, I end up finding so many corpses, I cannot eat all of them before some of them start rotting

[Anonymous No.]

>>21891897
Get equipment that lets you digest rotten food.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21892130
Using the steel dragon ring for that, thats why I was wondering if I still get the bonuses. Speed penalty doesnt bother me luckily, due to my trex carrying me around

[Anonymous No.]

>>21892181
As long as you have the equipment you'll get the bonuses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21892304
Cool stuff, thanks anon

[Anonymous No.]

>This map does not allow teleportation, so you'll have to fight your way through them to get to the top. Shadow step and Dimensional Move do not count as teleportation

thats a lie,its on the maid mansion wiki article and couldnt use dimensional move while having "prevents teleport" equips

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any tricks with the "shade" type monster that has been discovered?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21894385
Other than Shade farms, there aren't many uses for Shades. And while Shade farms are nice early on, specialized farms are better eventually.

[Anonymous No.]

well,what do i do with this? can it replace the Diablo?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21894601
well i changed its name with a name scroll and the level up options didnt changed,i am missing something?

[Anonymous No.]

How do I apply this to OO and how do I know it works?
https://twitter.com/kourourin/status/1020162742768975877

[Anonymous No.]

>>21894668
In E+, name scrolls do not affect the Living Weapon's available options. Once the Living Weapon is initialized, the options available change by the month.
On the other hand, you might as well just use the blade bow as a ranged weapon.

>>21894688
It is applied the same way as any CNPC addition in Omake forks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21894767
yeah i didnt noticed a BLADE-bow was a ranged weapon,will just keep diablo for now until a living sword appears

[Anonymous No.]

>>21894601
>>21894668
E+ changed how living weapons work from vanilla. Name scrolls don't alter your level up options. Instead, they change once per month, and they also change every time they get enhanced. If you want to pump it full of one ting (say, magic damage) what I recommend is to wait for the beginning of the next month, and check your level up options. If it doesn't have what you want, give it a +1 at a blacksmith and check again. Once you have your chosen trait, go to the void or something and use that weapon as much as possible within that month to get a bunch of levels of the same ability.

The weapon will get the bloodsucking intrinsic if you go past level 10. A little bit of bloodsucking isn't dangerous, and is arguably beneficial for training healing, but it also interrupts multi-turn actions like pickpocketing and performing, so I don't recommend it on your main character. For pets, on the other hand, a bit of bloodsucking will toughen them up for free. The max level is 15, but if go that far, especially on multiple weapons, the bloodsucking really will be dangerous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21894804
Your blade bow could still be very useful as a stat or resist stick. Load it full of every elemental resist and it'll do way more for a melee character than any other ranged weapon would.

Also rather than waiting for a living sword, why not make your own? Get a pot for fusion and look up the "sharp equip making" recipe. Use it on any sword and you'll get three miracle or godly quality swords out of it. I hear 1 in 20 miracle/godly weapons is living, so it shouldn't take too long to get one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21894888
I am abit dense and never used the pot advanced recipes,what is materium and high materium?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21894688
>>21894767
In the event that you have no clue how CNPCs work in Omake, installation is relatively simple, you unpack the rar, toss the NPC file folder into your user/npc directory, and then you go into the game and pray you run into them somewhere.

In the F12 menu you can use "usernpc" to confirm what CNPCs you've added into the game, and if it implemented correctly, the game should recognize them when you use the command

[Anonymous No.]

>>21894804
The "blade" part of the blade bow is its proximity assist weapon intrinsic. Whenever you do a melee attack while holding that bow you have a 10% chance to use it for an extra attack that will both do damage and debuff the target's PV. It's a weaker version of the effect you get from the assault gold. Pretty good choice for a sword user's ranged weapon.

[Anonymous No.]

How many #'s of resistance is recommended for each element on a resist stick?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21891042
Well they exist in 1.90 as well. I might mess with doing that later. It is just wizard mode accessible so shouldn't be hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21894906
I have to recruit them like any adventurer npc walking around town?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21894900
Items you craft with crafting skills. They don't consume many materials, but if I remember right they do need a moderately high skill level. Carpentry makes sharp materium, tailoring makes soft, jeweler makes hard. If you haven't used those skills yet, you've probably got a million materials built up in your inventory. Get a carpentry kit and make a bunch of crap to sell to vendors or in your shop. Crafting is a great source of early game money, especially making clothes and dresses with tailoring and waste art with carpentry.

>>21894953
However many you need. Ideally you want superb+ in every element. If you have no resist in anything, getting that element at least up to normal is a high priority. Unresisted attacks do tons of damage and inflict status ailments. When in doubt, you can't go wrong with magic resistance as that protects you from a million different things. If I remember right, living weapons give less magic resistance per level than other resistances, but it's still worth it once everything's at superb+.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21895065
>I have to recruit them like any adventurer npc walking around town?
Most likely you'll find them in dungeons and will have to catch them with a pokeball if you want them on your team.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21895083
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21895065
Either that or dominate them. I don't remember what you need to unpack .npc files, so can't really help you as far as getting at the core of the file to figure out specifics of each npc goes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21895073
Oh i am stupid,many thanks anon! this is what i ended picking out of the bunch,just need a rubynus kit and upgrade it eventually

[Anonymous No.]

>>21895126
Nevermind i found out adamantium is WAY better for a weapon,i am just used to put rubynus on everything because extra life never seems bad

[Anonymous No.]

Just loaded my save and my pc is running in place with no way to stop them. I thought a key might be stuck but nothing seems to fix it, I even made a fresh save and it's still happening.
Any ideas?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21895308
Nevermind, restarting my computer fixed it although I have no idea wtf happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21895164
I prefer rubynus for everything except two handing. The extra bit of damage is tiny compared to the damage bonus from your strength stat, and the extra accuracy helps a lot. Unless you're two handing, I'd stick with rubynus. Two handing gives you a gigantic accuracy bonus, so for that you might as well go adamantium for the extra bit of damage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21895164
>>21895428
Rubynus is the best material for accuracy. Ether is the best material for damage, but that gives you cancer and adamantium is close enough. Griffin scale is the best for DV and adamantium is the best for PV. Generally you want rubynus or adamantium weapons and adamantium for most of your armor, you especially want adamantium plate mail in your chest slot. Rubynus has the highest stats overall, but most of that is because of its enormous accuracy boost. If you don't need that or the +3 to life then it's not especially good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21895458
Wait,Doesnt DV cap at 500 or so? i never put too much though on my DV/PV as magic damage ignores accuracy/defense

[Anonymous No.]

>>21895724
I never went past act 1 but i assume things like to hit you too sometimes right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21895724
>>21896028
I don't know about any caps, but a high PV is absolutely mandatory if you're not severely overleveled. DV is nice to have but isn't especially important.

[Anonymous No.]

brainlet here
sorry to be retarded but how do you save in this game? sorry

[Anonymous No.]

>>21896875
It autosaves regularly, and saves when you quit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21896875
my apologies, I figured it out, I have the dumb

[Anonymous No.]

>>21896918
thank you

[Anonymous No.]

>>21896875
You can turn off autosaving in many forks. Though plus, since some version in the 1.60s, requires Custom to "disable anti-savescumming" for that.
With autosaving off you should be able to save with F1 and load with F2.

I prefer to save manually. Not just because I've had autosave corrupt saves before, but also because it just plain feels safer to be in control.
And helps me practice self control against savescumming, which works most of the time.
While also allowing me to go on crazy benders blowing through a bunch of resources and dying countless times from being absolutely reckless without saving any of it at all.
You know, win/win/win.
Whereas autosave is only useful for those who would neglect saving otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21897565
Autosave is also useful for immediately knowing whether or not a merchant has restocked. For me, that little convenience outweighs every other consideration.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21897588
>>21897565
thanks guys; it is much appreciated, thanks for the autism

[Anonymous No.]

>>21897565
If excessive scumming ever becomes a problem for your enjoyment, I'd recommend playing on natural or loss mode to rectify that. If scumming is difficult, if you are punished for it, and if doing it also completely negates the point of your mode, it follows that you will have almost no inclination to do it. And that will change your attitude over time and make you averse to it in general, speaking from personal experience

[Anonymous No.]

Ehekatl is fat AND a useless goddess

[Anonymous No.]

>>21899899
Promoting abuse of the mentally handicapped ain't a good look.

[Anonynous No.]

Ok so the wiki doesn't exactly explain how to properly make a top tier ranch and I couldn't find guides on ranching.
If anyone has any tips on getting copious amounts of milk and proper breeding, please do tell.
I take advice on editting it via Elosnack too, but it's last resort since I haven't done any cheating on this save so far.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21900275
Wasnt it just "breed giant leech" for max money?

[Anonynous No.]

>>21900296
No, I want advice on breeding a specific type of NPC. I don't need money, it's already at such heights I'm afraid it might overflow and crash the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21900275
Well to begin with you'd want to figure out what NPC you're trying to breed, if breeding is possible at all, then go and get a breeder.

Start off by dropping the target breeder's level as much as possible, this is to effective try and raise the rate of reproduction (Breed Power).

Once you have a healthy amount of offspring you start culling for optimal output, which depends on what you're looking for. You're going to want to micromanage at this point in order to figure out which ones you want to keep and which ones you want to cull. Assign a new breeder if that one suits your output needs more.

More recent changes has made micromanagement a bit more necessary even once the ranch is set up, so it's good to get into the routine early.

[Anonynous No.]

>>21900345
Well it is little boys I breed (Government agents reading this, this is in a game.). And I do lower their levels at all time, that I read on the wiki. But is that really it? There is no trick to it? No way to raise Breed Power?

[Anonymous No.]

Okay i have reached the part in the cradle of chaos where you are surrounded by enemies from all sides and the ninja master Akage,what do i do from here? just eat herbs and level up to outstat them?

i am pretty sure my stats look low for this part

[Anonymous No.]

>>21900373
Nope, the whole Ranch system was never really all that in depth, and if anything, it's already more involved that it was before, where it was just a set up and forget sort of deal without having to bother with assessing traits and figuring out what breeders would be optimal.

[Anonynous No.]

>>21900432
Ugh.. I just want to mass produce shota milk..
I guess I'll just set up like 20 ranches on the countryside and mass produce it that way. Thank you my mans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21900427
Cap out your speed, you can solo the floor with those stats, just get away from the center and wipe out the fodder as quickly as possible.

[Anonymous No.]

I always get a female prostitute of derphy as a shopkeeper,who are yours?

[Anonymous No.]

WHERE IS MY HOME MUSIC? i am using Custom-g 1.90

any way i can add it back in?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21900858
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29#1.90
>Reverted the default BGM in Your Home to the vanilla Elona piece [PSML516] because the composer has put it up for distribution again.
>The very excellent piece used until now [machi04] is now set to the default BGM in the storage, shelter, and discarded ranch in order to keep its presence in the game.
>Both of these changes will not affect existing saves unless you change the BGM or construct a new deed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21900920
yes i read that change,my home is completely silent,no music plays not even the default one

[Anonymous No.]

>>21900933
Uh,i literally never used a jukebox or disc before,at least they are useful when need

its <Bgm16> on my end at least

[Anonymous No.]

>Buy a shop deed
>Start seeing the profits
Muh dick

[Anonymous No.]

>>21900443
Breed little boys and then get a brush in your inventory and use rubbing on them until you get one that is good at producing milk. Do this for a few generations until you get one with maxed out milk production. Lower their level as low as possible and then wait for them to breed and produce milk. Feeding them milk will make them bigger which, if I remember correctly, will improve the quality of their meat.

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>>21901455
To be clear, you need to replace the breeder with ones that are better at producing milk, and kill off the ones that aren't good at it.

[Anonymous No.]

Does Megid Flame have friendly fire? Or does it only hit hostiles on screen?

[Anonymous No.]

any reason why i cant summon my god at truce ground? i have received all other rewards and have 5000 favor,and yes its november,i just want the 4th tier reward

[Anonymous No.]

>>21901859
you already summoned a god that month or you prayed at an altar too recently and need to give it some time?

[Anonymous No.]

Is this a sign i will get statue of ehekatl someday? those arent ball captured cats they just spawned there like any other monster,i am just running around with fetter of earth on to make months pass by for herb grinding and hoping i get one month of 'magical damage' living weapon

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>>21901975
She wants you back anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21902070
But i never worshipped her

[Anonymous No.]

>>21902074
Then she wants you

[Anonymous No.]

>>21902099
But luck is the shittiest stat AND hardest to rise

[Anonymous No.]

Scjofag

[Anonymous No.]

Why would you eat the little sisters anyways? you can just clone the cheese for HP

[Anonymous No.]

>>21904154
or you could bio-print her for a free corpse,then throw the ball at her? just make sure your allies are not around

[Anonymous No.]

>>21904193
You can get corpses from bio printers?

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any way to get rid of body parts you started with? I'd like to try two handing with one hand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21904930
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Icolle_the_biologist
Or elosnack if you want to literally modify race parts.

[Anonymous No.]

I like the ghost and the female beggar pet the most somehow. I just wish there was further evolution for them

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>>21901455
Meat isn't something I need... Just milk.. But thanks, I'll do that.

[Anonymous No.]

In E+ plus,is Inner ehekatl the strongest enemy,dangerous wise? due to her special action i mean

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>>21905993

Not really. MEWMEWMEW was nerfed a ton in plus. However Opatos has a hug of death skill, and iztpalt can use mana blast to hit you for far to much damage.

Honestly, except for yacatect(she just throws money at you), they're pretty similar in strength. If you can fight one you can probably fight them all.

[Anonymous No.]

i am abit upset there are some items you cant EVER steal,like that cauldron pot on the first south tyris town and those lulwy statues on lumiest

[Anonymous No.]

I FEED YOU WELL PUKE MY SEED ALREADY AAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.]

Are any of the static artifacts useful late game or you are supposed to custom tailor everything? barring using the inner god weapons as stat sticks in your throw slot

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>>21906434
It depends on how much you feed them in one go. For a fairy, it has to eat 4000 units of nutrition in one go. See https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Food/Technical for details, but bear in mind meat actually has base nutrition of 2000, blessed food gives 1.5x the nutrition, and the thing about reducing nutrition and stat gain if you aren't hungry was removed.

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>>21906859
You can't currently add chance for extra melee/ranged attack, can you? So anything with those enchantments will always be good.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any information you think is missing from https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Enchantments_(Elona%2B) ? Anything else you'd like to know about equipment enchantments?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21905013
>https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Icolle_the_biologist
According to that he'll just reset me down to the two hands I started with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21906859
Static weapons aren't worth using, but there's lots of good static armor and jewelery.

[Anonymous No.]

What is the best food to herb in?
I know curarias are the best option, but I want something I can share with pets to buff them up through the meal sharing option.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21907515
I use +10 rank 9 fruit from my farm. +10 is important for speed training, and I use fruit because it is easy to get in large quantities from my farm, and it trains magic which is my lowest attribute.

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>>21889487
How do I get that eat special action?

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>>21899899
You mean fat titties?

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>>21907993
omake

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I severely dropped the level of a demon to make her be a better breeder. Now instead of more demons, I receive random shit like giant squirrels, zombies etc. Used to be lvl 60 and now its lvl 1 (I cheated potions of descent). Could I just leave her at lvl 60 and somehow increase the breed power through elosnack?

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>>21908005
Oh, a bummer. Sounded really interesting to have in E+

[Anonymous No.]

>>21907997
Delete this

but yeah ehekatl looks busty if fanart is anything to go by

[Anonymous No.]

>>21908080
But anon, I did not mean it in a degrading way, in fact, I worship her very much. I fish for her daily with my super lure and in return she makes cupids drop a shit ton of happy beds. I could not bring it over my heart to ever leave her

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>>21908080
>>21908157
What kind of homo lord thinks fat titties is an insult?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21908171
Who knows, maybe some could interpret fat titties=saggy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21908157
But you only need one happy bed anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>21908266
It was the first rare drop that came to my mind. Some other nice things she made happen, like the shittons amount of stardust or secret treasures of kumi. Besides, those beds give some okay money

[Anonymous No.]

>>21908266
Super easy way to max your house rank. I like to keep collecting them even after that, though.

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>>21907515
Flesh dolls are good for high stat gains and they last a long time before rotting. Flour-based food is good for being easily accessible and never rotting. As long as it's a sandwich or better you can share them with your pets. Although it seems like the gains from eating herbs on their own have been increased and since they're hardly filling at all (stomafilia aside), I'm wondering if it's not better to just munch on herbs all day.

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>>21908266
>Not having a happy bed for every single of your pets

[Anonymous No.]

>>21908399
They can all sleep in mine together with me. It might be a bit hard for my tyrannousaurus and adult fire dragon, but the rest should fit in nicely

[Anonymous No.]

>>21908385
What is the best way to get a decent supply of flour for sandwiches then?
Because having a non rotting supply of decent quality food sounds nice.

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>>21908157
>TFW i am still slutting it up to the gods so i can't stick with ehekatl yet
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Anonymous No.]

>>21908455
Just use Bakeries and Food Shops and you should already have more than enough flour.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21908475
I couldnt wait and did it right away, so I have to miss out on the other god rewards. But I would do anything to serve this wonderful goddess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21908455
Run around the map each time you got a wildlife encounter. When you got a great cooking utensil (I personally like the barbecue set) and get them chestnuts and api nuts. I was surprised to find out the higher level cooking of those nuts is pretty filling and the nuts wont spoil either

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>>21908385
>>21908455
4 dimensional pocket makes food rotting a problem of the past.

[Anonymous No.]

i think i should had summoned someone else,if she uses mewmewmew i am dead

[Anonymous No.]

>>21908692
Contingency?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21908692
Nevermind that went smoother than i expected,now to grind to hell for enthumesis

[Anonymous No.]

>>21908709
I dont have that spell,and have never seen a scroll of contingency

[Anonymous No.]

>>21908721
This text log evokes a feeling of panic really really hard. I love it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21908692
>-20/288
What the hell are you wearing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21908742
they both literally ended right in front of where i was digging to hide and wait the battle out,bitch was running from ehekatl like a sissy

[Anonymous No.]

>>21908749
Now i can focus on gearing up,relax

[Anonymous No.]

>>21908761
You can technically take Enthumesis, just need a couple more wishes and a lot of teleport to run away.

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>>21908761
Even if you don't plan on using them forever, it is really cheap to add just +3 to everything, and just that can make a surprisingly large difference. It might be a bit late but I'd really say it's worth doing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21908157
Have you ran around naked on etherwind so you can get cat ears? No? Then you don't love her enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21908790
You cant wish on enthumesis room,didn't you think i tried that before to cheese the battle?

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>>21908844
>You can't wish on enthumesis room
Lame.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21908855
The whole point of that room was to seal god powers. It'd be odd if you could use wishes in there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21908872
oh nevermind then

[Anonymous No.]

Is there another element beside pure magic damage that i can put on living weapons? whats the second/third best ones?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21909159
Magic -> Lightning -> Chaos is better earlier rather than later. Nether/Sound/Nerve/Poison/Mind/Darkness are roughly the same. Fire and Cold aren't all that great.

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>>21909290
its just driving my crazy waiting month after month for a MAG option to show up,its mind numbing to just walk eating herbs

[Anonymous No.]

So what are some things that MUST be only used while blessed? I know potential potions are one, but what are some others?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21909467
on top of my head flying scrolls for altars or inner god weapons,cursed flying scrolls on certain situations

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>>21909332
Changing your living weapon's + enhancement changes your level up options. If it doesn't offer magic, have a smith add +1 to it and try again. Ideally do this at the beginning of a month so you can cram as many magic damage levels as possible.

Some people like to go with lightning damage because that does damage if your enemy is wet, but I really don't think that's worth the trouble unless you luck out and get a living weapon that invokes water bolt or something like that.

>>21909467
Scrolls of growth and potions of hermes blood are always worth blessing before you use them. Blessed potions of restore body and spirit give you a very long-lasting and very useful buff to your stats. Drinking one of each every few months will make a big difference. I wouldn't say you should always bless scrolls of change material, but doing so is a very good move if you have a big stack you can bless all at once, especially early game.

In vanilla it's debatable whether potions of potential are arguably better when not blessed (uncursed is +5-75 to one attribute, blessed is +1-8 to all attributes) but in E+ blessed potions of potential have been massively buffed to the point that you should always bless them. Potions of speed upper, on the other hand, do the same thing regardless of whether they're blessed/uncursed/cursed, so don't waste your holy water.

In vanilla you should definitely bless scrolls of gain attribute before using them. I believe it's also worth blessing them in omake. In plus you should never read a scroll of gain attribute, instead give them to Irma in act 3.

A few items are better when cursed. Cursed alcohol makes a brutal throwing weapon in vanilla and omake (I believe it's been nerfed in some way or another in E+). Cursed potions of slow cause you to gain weight which you may more may not want. Cursed potions of restore body and spirit give a nasty debuff equivalent to the buff blessed ones give, not a bad way to soften up a difficult boss. For those reasons, it's often worth keeping a potion of cursed water around (except in omake where you can easily make them yourself).

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>>21910497
>>21909523
Oh yeah, flying scrolls. In vanilla and omake blessed ones penalize your item's stats less than uncursed ones and they also offer a better weight reduction. You should absolutely always bless them for lightening equipment. Cursed ones improve item stats at the cost of increasing their weight.

In E+ it doesn't matter too much since they don't affect equipment stats. Bless them if the bottle of holy water is worth less to you than the cost of another scroll or the cost of lightening the item at a blacksmith. If you want to make a superheavy weapon for the critical hit bonus, it's better to first make it heavier at a blacksmith and after dump cursed flying scrolls on it because the weight change is a percent rather than a flat amount.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21910564

Plus just hides the stat boost, but you can see it on your char sheet. You can get up to about 40 or so extra damage or defense from high weight. I've heard it's about +1 per 5s.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21911058
In E+ weapon and armor weight affect directly your attack and defense. In vanilla flying scrolls directly increase/decrease equipment stats while also modifying weight, but the weight itself does not directly make items stronger or weaker.

My understanding was that equipment weight in E+ only affected your crits and crit resistance. I tested it out in wizard mode, adding about 30s to both a weapon and a helmet. It looks like weight does have a small direct effect on regular attacks but not defense.

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>>21911136
Oh, hmm. I only tested weapons myself, I just assumed the armor bit worked too, since I saw results with weapons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21911161
>>21911136

Just tried it in wizard mode, A bronze helmet [0,1] at 447s took me from 0pv to 41 pv. There might be a minimum weight before it kicks in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21898793
Giving it a punishment is counter-productive for practising self control. That would just be following reason as usual.
And I don't want to be averse to savescumming. I don't see anything inherently wrong with it outside of things that need integrity, like competitions.
Just simply choosing not to with force of will, despite having the option and no consequences for it, is more fun. By far.

I might consider playing on loss if the progress in general didn't take so long for the game as a whole.
Permadeath in a multi-hundred hour game is an absurd concept. One that wouldn't really make it harder for me, but rather just make it extra tedious in preparing for absolutely everything before taking ANY risks. Because losing hundreds of hours of play would suck. Even if it's just across multiple playthroughs. Playing risky would nigh guarantee loss, playing safe would take forever and kill the point, and balancing risk to try and pull some fun out of it is so troublesome.
But if EVERYTHING took about 1/20th of the time it does (Not just XP/money; everything), I would be kind of fine with dying and starting over again and again, even very frequently. Roguelikes usually work that way.
But, well, it's still Elona.
Overall progress is more important than "How far I can make it before I die". Because there's just so much to do, and so many numbers to raise. Restarting frequently means missing out on all the end game content for a long, long time; and possibly losing it all even then.
Maybe if the grind itself was replaced. Like no visiting thousands of dungeons, no thousands of levels in the void, and no frequent visits to towns/shops/farms/etc. But fuck, I love grinding.
The very concept is quite conflicting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21904193
Does that actually work? I thought it just made a figure, not meat, cards, or other body parts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21911665
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29/1.80_-_1.89#1.89
>Bio printers will now yield corpses as well. Their price is fixed, however, and will have no special effects when eaten. Human flesh will still behave as such.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>21912171
Well what did she say anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21912860
She thinks you are joking and to pick something else

[Anonymous No.]

If we can get body parts for life why cant we do the reverse? hand out body parts to increase our life