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This thread is for the discussion of untranslated Japanese visual novels.

What are you playing? What are you looking forward to? What have you finished? You know the drill.

>> No.21785653

Never fail to disappoint Kinugasa.

>> No.21785656

Get hyped for the soshage.

>> No.21785766

>game has scene names
>the walkthrough's next heading has a different name from the scene I made it to
>the scene name I am at is elsewhere in the walkthrough
>doubt myself instead of doubting the walkthrough
>skip through the whole thing again
>get to the same scene
>I was in fact at the right scene
fuck these clowns

>> No.21785776

Ya think Gracesta guidebook append will come?

>> No.21785805

Who said this?

>> No.21785827
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so just stick with watching cop craft for a similar setting?

>> No.21785931

Finished playing Eustia. I usually avoid eroge having '主人公ダメ’ tag with good number of votes on egs, but I don't remember exactly why(probably mistaken with something else) I picked this up. Anyways, the art and production were great, and the music was ok, not the best but good. Overall I didn't like the VN. I liked the prologue and first(Fione) but the hetare and urusai(esp pushing his thick head views in 2nd and 3rd) behavior of the protag from 2nd scenario was a bit painful. More of a personal preference. About the last scenario, though some reasons were given, I didn't find the it really fitting. Seemed more that the writer wanted to go through with an ending. Especially stuff like submitting to Lucius without taking much info, and even after the return to rougoku and the sex taking so long, as Tia says. I really depressed thinking Tia's gonna be crucified for 500 yrs and kept waiting for an escapade. How he put his ear to his brother in front of the suffering Tia at the end and allowed him to through a knife was really enraging In the end I ended up disliking the protag to almost the level of Takayuki contrasting with a cool start [

Also, there quite a bit loose points throughout the vn. Though I can ignore that, and the scope and setting is great. Kind of reminds me of G-Senjou, I didn't like that much too. That had Maou and Guzou, and I didn't find any character as much likeable in Eustia. Another thing that really bothered me is the day being JUST in time, it happened so many times, including near the end

In the end I feel it would be good for people who like the plot, excitement,pacing and setting, and don't mind some things loose and protagonist failing around. Don't think its near a kamige though, and personally didn't like it that much

>> No.21785936

*day being saved

>> No.21785941

Also would've been better if the protag and Tia died together in the end instead of the spreading stuff. At least there could be an another Tia route with Caim escaping with her, maybe during when they were last at rougoku and perhaps conspiring with Jeek

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>> No.21785970

I text-hooked this post. Just letting you know.

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>> No.21785988

>text hook your entire browser
>have to dig through thousands of lines of garbage and javascript to find the text you want
You could've just copy and pasted.

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>> No.21786039

>Still doing the text-hooking thing
>not having a Japanese loli translate VNs on the fly for you while she sits in your lap
Get on my level, pleb.
There, I told her to make fun of you in her crazy moon language.

>> No.21786046

If you want to discuss in japanese then go to 2ch, 4chan is an english website

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And that's why Asa-chan is completely right.

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No I don't usually look up what English words mean in Japanese, or even use 和英 dictionaries at all, I try to learn everything from context. I even remember where I first saw that word, it was in Phantasy Star 4.

>> No.21786142

agreed wish more moege for example started out with MC and the heroine already being hooked up and then described their icha icha lifestyle and adventures together, for example a typical crazy vacation plot or something.
Starting with a sex scene would also give us a general idea about the h quality in general so yea why not.

>> No.21786166


>I try to learn everything from context

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>> No.21786186

Escalayer would be a good example of that. You are forced to fuck a heroine right in the prologue, but confession only happens in the end of pure love route.

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>> No.21786410

Last arc also annoyed me to no end,
Caim just sucking it up that Eustia will forget everything and is heading for a fate worse than death is just stupid.
Never telling her honestly how he feels really pissed me off.

>> No.21786443 [DELETED] 

Oh I realize that, but I frankly don't care that much about actually talking to Japanese people. When I want to talk to people, I'll do it in my native German, or sometimes in English.

I like Japanese vidya and anime, and I'm sort of interested in Japanese history (mainly in the time from the start of the 明治 era to the end of WW2), so my vocabulary is shaped by otaku shit and historical documents. Who cares.

To me, Japanese is mainly what I immerse myself in when I want to get my mind off of work, relationship troubles, western politics and everything else I might worry about.
English actually used to fulfill the role of an escapism language just fine for me, but then I made the mistake of looking up on Wikipedia who runs all the big media corporations in the US.
Hollywood movies and American TV shows just aren't enjoyable anymore when you keep noticing all the Jewish anti-White (and generally anti-Gentile) tropes everywhere.

>> No.21786655

So RWA is confirmed disappointment I guess

>> No.21786660

As anyone could have seen coming considering his track record.

>> No.21786676

Yeah I guess I was half hoping he got better since Akatsuki no Goei (only series I read from him), guess not.

>> No.21787891

I just learned that Uguisu Kagura released new patches for Istoria and Kamimaho few months ago.


I unpacked the Istoria patch and they didn't repeat the mistake of their original patch.

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Oh, they fixed even this.

>> No.21787998

how the hell did you find the patch for istoria? it isn't mentioned on nawa, it only has a tiny mention on the main page, and it's hidden under the trial section for some stupid reason so i almost thought it they forgot to put it up or link to it. i like to think i'm pretty good at finding stuff but even i might have missed this

>> No.21788018

I saw the news post and looked really well in SPECIAL. But yeah, I initially didn't see it either.

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>> No.21789840

Why is RWA bad?

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>> No.21790167

Hahahaha, holy shit.

>> No.21790286

Sounds pretty good to me. I don't mind a thickheaded protagonist.

Did you find a crack or just use a generic alpha-rom one?
I can find a crack for the original and "[NoDVD Patch][110428] 穢翼のユースティア for 110428 Update.rar" but not the newest "[NoDVD EXE] [110428] [AUGUST] 穢翼のユースティア 110503 update.rar "
Maybe it's unnecessary though.

>> No.21790359

Was forced to downgrade to Windows 10 recently. Now Capture to Text won't work.
Does anyone have a text hooker/translation machine that works with Simplified Chinese?

>> No.21790490

So far 劉旗の大望 has actually been acting like a remake, the main story is completely different. Events are still copies but even this is more than what the other two did.

>> No.21790648

Fuck off.

>> No.21790667

Use the new update they released on their site.

>> No.21790680

The official one? So there's no need to use a nodvd at all? And here I was about to look on share and perfect dark for the nodvd.

>> No.21790690

They released a new one recently. They did for all their games with DRM actually.

If it doesn't work, I'll tell you hex edits for the original exe.

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>> No.21790802

This is not a thread for technical help with techniques like texthooking and machine translation, even if Chinese.

Just fuck off.

>> No.21790813

>slacked so hard that I still haven't finished nukishita 1
>Began reading it like 2-3 months ago
Man, I really have to stop picking up every new kusoge, even though I'm still not done with another VN.

>> No.21790845

I thought it was weird that there wasn't a sticky. Figures /jp/ of all boards doesn't want people to under their sekrit club

>> No.21790849

Now you know to ask elsewhere. I recommend VNDB or Reddit, they accept discussions like that.

>> No.21790864

You're a retard for expecting a board of (supposed) japanese speakers to help with text hooking in the first place.

>> No.21790886

Sounds good
Incidentally, I thought it was texthookers and translators were commonplace. Or is everyone in this thread already pretty much fluent in Jap?

>> No.21790892

Post about games, not Japanese proficiency. But in your case, ideally don't post at all.

>> No.21790895

People machine translating tend to congregate in DJT or /vn/
>Or is everyone in this thread already pretty much fluent in Jap?
I would hope so but probably not.

>> No.21791050

So you installed the サポートファイル after applying the 修正パッチ (weird how there are none on that page) and were able to play the game without a disc mounted/inserted? Unless I'm misunderstanding and the サポートファイル supersedes the 修正パッチ somehow despite lacking even a readme. Looks like just an engine update though.
Interesting, based on the error messages it looks like it may be an official nodvd but they don't explicitly acknowledge it as such and still have other FAQs about the DVD being needed (maybe they just never removed these). At least according to "仮想DVDディスクドライブソフトをご使用されていませんか" they don't attempt to stop virtual disk software (nor support it) so I guess worst case scenario I can just play with the disk mounted.

>If it doesn't work, I'll tell you hex edits for the original exe.
Thanks, but what exactly are you offering? Hex edits from the official patch? A patch you made or found somewhere?

>> No.21791074 [DELETED] 

>based on the error messages it looks like it may be an official nodvd
Yes, that's why you should try it first.

>Thanks, but what exactly are you offering?
NoDVD hex edits for all the previous versions.

初回版 BGI.exe
00364675: C3 70 82 50 05 84

修正版 BGI.exe(4月28日バージョン)
0035132C: 4B 22 32 CF D4 22 81 C5

修正版 BGI.exe(5月3日バージョン)
003486E6: EC E6
003486FA: E8 05 5B D8

>> No.21791087

>based on the error messages it looks like it may be an official nodvd
Yes, that's why you should try it first.

>Thanks, but what exactly are you offering?
NoDVD hex edits for all the previous versions.

初回版 BGI.exe
00364675: C3 70 82 > 50 05 84

修正版 BGI.exe(4月28日バージョン)
0035132C: 4B 22 32 CF > D4 22 81 C5

修正版 BGI.exe(5月3日バージョン)
003486E6: EC > E6
003486FA: E8 05 > 5B D8

>> No.21791250

Awesome, thank you so much. Since it's just one file, opening a hex editor is way better than using an archaic patching program made for Windows 95 anyway.
I tried the official one really quick and it didn't launch at all, but I'm sure that's just because I still need to update the program first.

>> No.21791297

That Win95 program just applies the same hex edit automatically, I believe.

But I prefer manual edits too, it feels cleaner.

>> No.21791334

Oh yeah, I'm sure. I binary diffed the nonpatched file for the first version and the change was the same as the one you mentioned.
It appears that the サポートファイル is just the same as the 修正パッチ. They took down the support page for the 初回版 but fortunately archive.org had the page and 4月28日バージョン. And even though the link was no longer there, the website still served a eustia_support.exe containing version 5月3日バージョン.

Weird that the new patch doesn't appear to support the 初回版. Not sure if it was intentional or a screw up on their part to (sort of) take down the 初回版 support page and patch.
I found that the error with the new patch is that BHVC failes to verify sysgrp.arc even though this file isn't included with any of the patches (and all other patches verify correctly). I guess that file must be different in the 通常版. Or in the Windows 10 app version. Just weird and nonsensical like most Japanese software I guess.

>> No.21791866

Hmm, weird indeed. I decided to try it myself and the newest patch (support_ay.zip) doesn't work for me either. The game just does nothing.

Well, at least the previous ones work fine. I already finished the game years ago like that.

>> No.21791882 [DELETED] 

>The game just does nothing.
It's the same for me. Even tried real Japanese locale with no difference. If you ran BHVC.exe I'm sure you'd get the same error about sysgrp.arc.
The update appears to be from October of last year so I'm not sure how this slipped through. I guess nobody plays old games. Maybe they assumed everyone who bought the 初回版 already had the patches and figured they would only hurt pirates by cutting off support. Of course I'd need to check if the patch actually worked for the 初回版 for that to be true.

>> No.21791886

>The game just does nothing.
It's the same for me. Even tried real Japanese locale with no difference. If you ran BHVC.exe I'm sure you'd get the same error about sysgrp.arc.
The update appears to be from October of last year so I'm not sure how this slipped through. I guess nobody plays old games. Maybe they assumed everyone who bought the 初回版 already had the patches and figured they would only hurt pirates by cutting off support. Of course I'd need to check if the patch actually worked for the 通常版 for that to be true.

>> No.21791889

When you say locale you meant the non-unicode locale setting? Cause it might work with Locale Emulator.

>> No.21791892

>you meant the non-unicode locale setting
>Cause it might work with Locale Emulator.
Yes. I usually use Locale Emulator and tried that first. It failed so I tried changing locale and rebooting. Neither worked. Of course running BHVC.exe makes it fairly clear it's not a locale issue.

>> No.21791893

Nah, you can ignore that. BHVC is a simple CRC check, they just didn't update their hash table for these updated files.

>> No.21791906

>BHVC is a simple CRC check, they just didn't update their hash table for these updated files.
No, it's a bit more complicated than that. As I posted earlier, the file that fails verification is NOT present in any of the updates. So presumably they included an updated hash table that was incorrect in some sense. Maybe they used to include a hash table that would mark two different versions of sysgrp.arc valid and now they only mark one version of it as valid.

If the game checks it's own hashes (at least for system files) when starting up, then this would potentially cause it to exit immediately. The fact that a hash failure of a totally non-updated file occurs in this patch but not in any previous patches is 100% linked to the reason the patch doesn't work. Maybe the patch is designed for a different edition of the game and the CRC of sysgrp.arc failing reflects that.
Absolutely not a coincidence you can ignore.

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Naw dawg, it was the locale after all.

You need to edit the Locale Emulator profiles to turn on "Fake System UI Language", then it'll work. It's off by default. No need to use a no DVD, the new support_ay.zip is one already

>> No.21791917

Interesting, thanks. I was considering if it could be something weird like UI language and never got around to testing. My hypothetical scenario was more like a subtle difference between Japanese and English Windows changing the parsing behavior of the scripting engine, breaking both the hash check and other parts of the game, though.

But seriously how the HELL do you install the wrong hash for a file that was unchanged in all 4 verisons of your software? I think it was reasonable to conclude that it must be related, but the incompetence of Japanese software developers defied my expectations as usual. WTF August. Maybe the dude who worked on the patch had disk corruption and the hash table was created by a script without user intervention?

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When will you guys finally admit さくら、もゆ。 is GOTY? It's rated extremely high on both EGS and VNDB.

>> No.21792009

We already admitted it? Go see the posts here when it came out, its full of people in awe at how completely breathtaking the game is.

>> No.21792084

Yes both that and ソーサレス アライヴ are looking to be this years VNOTY. What a timeline!

>> No.21792252

what a shit year.

>> No.21792264

That's why people decided that adding an average of 10 to all votes on EGS makes things look better. That way even that one chuunige isn't just a 70, like the previous work of the writer was. Meanwhile Favorite finally gets its 90 instead of the boring 80s it always has.

Everyone is happy, right?

>> No.21792803

>Naw dawg
Did you like actually call him a dog right now? Wtf?

>> No.21793748
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Do you think she's actually nude under the SECRET labels?

>> No.21793849

Why do so many visual novels come with images for Twitter i.e headers, icons, etc attached ? Do they seriously expect buyers to use them for their thinly-veiled marketing purposes?

>> No.21793851

People in JP Twitter do it.

>> No.21793855

Quite a lot of nips tend to change their profile images and headers in twitter to whatever is their current マイブーム eroge.

>> No.21793862

I haven't seen it.

>> No.21793866

It was really weird to me that Nukitashi came with a twitter button but no simple in-engine screenshot functionality.
Seriously it's really nice to get a deterministic screenshot that's independent of whatever scaling factor you have set up in Windows.

>> No.21793870

You only follow moogy and pals. Branch out to JP Twitter.

>> No.21793876

I despise social media.

>> No.21793973

You're on social media right now.

>> No.21794147

Please tell me the ayumi route in yu-no is the worst one. Original release If it matters.

>> No.21794218

It is, don't worry, it's nice to start with but that's all.
The real killers are Kana and Mio.

>> No.21794592

how can I download from baidu? I already have an account but don't know what to do...

>> No.21795022

I stopped using girlcelly uploads because they usually trigger something.
This is a first for me with mikocon
from this https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2661051

>> No.21795263

Those virus warnings are super generic and might be false positives. People on Japanese boards often post sha hashes against releases and generally the ones you find from girlcelly are identical. If you haven't found actual evidence of infection I wouldn't worry to much. Be more wary of reuploaders who don't post the original files, and check hashes whenever you can.

>> No.21795283

Kamiyabai from Hulotte is interesting. They basically took the mindset of a typical otaku towards eroge and transplanted that into a story.
The protag gets 3 "candidates" he has a chance with told (=heroines in an eroge), and then transfers into their school to not stay a virgin for live. (=most important thing is ero) The entire thing is about the connection points (=affection points), while nothing really matters. Basically nobody looks at the girls as actual people in the story. It's all about affection points, getting closer to them and getting laid.

Unfortunately, it's a generic moege, so it only does a small amount of "wait, maybe this isn't how this should be" to the point there's no way to tell if they even wanted to put a message here or whoever thought out the setting didn't think this is bad. After all, moege tend to suck at romance, this one simply sucks at it a good amount more than other ones. The message is definitely not that romance is overrated, because they still tried to do that... kinda.

It was kinda funny seeing arguably the biggest eroge problem played out in a story like this. The incredibly mediocre cast and lackluster way of handling it means it's not worth playing, but alas. They'd probably not be alive today, if this had been recognized as major medium and consumer criticism. For that we have things like Saekano I guess. Works better outside the actual medium.

>> No.21795300

This post just screams "pretentious brainlet".

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>> No.21795427

They don't usually come with them, they're just available on the website for download. 2DGF just tends to download them and package them with their uploads of games.

>> No.21796403

Is this copypasted from Reddit?

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>> No.21796670

So, is it a moege, is it a critique to the medium, is it a dating simulator?

>> No.21796757

It's a normal moege with a slightly meta setting, dunno why he's like those are rare.

>> No.21796974

>oh man, I wonder what they are going to do with Yenren since this is the first game she's in where she isn't killed off at the start
>she just voluntarily leaves Wu at about the same time
Wow, how disappointing.

>> No.21797315

It's rare to basically tell your customers "hey, you are the problem of the industry". They just do it so half-assed without really daring to go too far, that probably nobody of those saw it, who were supposed to see it. Perhaps it wasn't even their intention, in which case they simply created garbage, as usual. I would've liked it, if it actually really dealt with the issues, but then it would've not been a moege, I guess.

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The real problem with this industry are faggots like you who praise games for shitting down your throat. Thankfully, there are almost no people like than in Japan, you niggers who crawl out of your moogy shitcord and come to a fucking /jp/ - Otaku Culture to act like you are above it are only prevalent in the west.

>> No.21797379

Clearly that wasn't their intention considering all of their games up until then and Atropos released after are just standard moege, you're just trying to see things where there isn't anything.
And it isn't garbage just because you're not the intended audience, their games might be generic and appeal to the lowest common denominator but that doesn't make them bad products. You're just angry they aren't pandering to you instead.

>> No.21797409

>why is this game generic bottom of the barrel garbage
>it must be because it's actually an incredibly intelligent and subtle parody of the industry that no one but me gets

>> No.21797648

It's like the concept of satire doesn't exist for you.

>> No.21797662

Why, I like satire on those rare occasions when it actually exists. The problem with you is that, as >>21797379 said, you're just trying to see things where there isn't anything.

>> No.21797663

>Thankfully, there are almost no people like than in Japan

>> No.21797664

This reminds me of てんぷれっ!!, the title and synopsis made it sound like it would be a parody/critique of generic moege but apparently they were serious and it IS just a generic moege. I don't know why they went with that kind of advertising.

>> No.21797690

Clearly, they were painfully aware about a bunch of pretentious faggots who talk shit about eroge, so they baited them with satire premise then made it as generic as possible. You should praise it for such subtle meta commentary. That's, like, 10 times deeper than Ritterorden and it's meta commentary about how hard it is to be a passionate doujin author and get people to actually play your games.

>> No.21798648

A lolige keeps crawling back to the top of my Start menu even after I remove it. Life is hard.

>> No.21799787

In Cross Channel after Youko gives a chastity belt to the protag, the protag is nevertheless able to masturbate at night. Is this a continuity error or what? The two didn't have a scene together in between.

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>> No.21800366

Guys what's the secret with Nukitashi success in sales? I mean the game is great and popular but not all great and popular eroge can stay in top ranking sales even one year after release.
I was wondering what's the secret to make an eroge, a niche medium sells this much.

>> No.21800381

>what's the secret with Nukitashi success in sales
Included twitter button.

>> No.21800433

Because it's so filled with love and passion for the industry, what with all the deluge of references and whatnot (even the chapter titles).

>> No.21801446

Decided to play Tsuyokiss and I'm a bit confused about what I've read so far.
There are 3 Tsuyokiss games which depict 3 school terms right?
Apparently the 2nd one was a complete rehash of the first when it came to character routes and wasn't included in the collection.
Should I just read the common route of the second game when I come to it? And how much crossover is there between the first and third game in terms of character routes?

>> No.21801490

>Should I just read the common route of the second game
They do introduce a new character so yeah, route wse tsuyokiss 2 has the worst version of the routes.

Some characters had better routes in tsuyokiss 1 and some had better ones in 3. All the main heroines have routes in both games, 3 just has an extra main heroine and 2 extra side heroines, certain routes are pretty similar to the previous games routes while some changed quite a bit.

>> No.21801540

Thanks for the information

>> No.21802758

>look up words from my porn games
>internet guides me to http://ペニス大きく方法.net
Colour me intrigued.

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What are the most quotable eroge?

>> No.21803025 [DELETED] 

I hate how the text in the background is just barely cut off everywhere. フェクナオさせる ??

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>> No.21803040 [DELETED] 

Well I googled the other text and got the name of the game and 上野こより at least, so I can't be that much of a shitter. Seriously that's the closest I can come to reading text obscured that much, sorry.

>> No.21803057 [DELETED] 

You're right, I'm a retard. フェラ千オさせる Thought it was that initially but then I thought that 千 wasn't curved as much as ナ, even in handwriting.

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>> No.21803246

how is anyone supposed to know what shes saying with that censorship baka

>> No.21803276

sad panda is back bros!

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>> No.21803349

Why is she so angry about that 恩顧?

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A lot of things.

Just on the PR part, it's aggressively fun. On twitter, the seyuu and the company are very active and engaging, specially Rei's seyuu. They release original PR material quite often. No repetitive boring corporate wall. They also have a talkshow streaming going on.

A few of the seyuus come from the ASMR scene and their expertise shows, bringing in their own fans and people from that scene. What other eroge company scouted new artists like this?

On the work itself, I cannot give a recipe on how to 'make a successful Eroge' , or I would work in the industry. But there is a lot of care behind this one. From all the references that feel in the right place, to the crazy protagonist and heroines. In a sense, it's also a critique to eroge but done with responsibility. Netorare is the biggest trend in JAV? Let's make a whole route about that and embrace the Netorare. Pedos? Oh shit, the protagonist (and the reader...) is becoming a lolicon. Did you want good heroines? Well, here you have secondaries that are even better than the heroines. Or a little sister that actually behaves like a little sister that is fun to hang around, alleluia. Wait, isn't she getting too close? Or Nanase route with the strange mix of forced pretense that carries beyond the believable until you realize she's actually the most natural character. All that in a fun action story yet at some times brutally raw and tragic.

Is it the best shit ever? Noo, the story drags at times, though I think those daily life and dialogue scenes give the opportunity for character development and for the reader to understand the characters. The story itself isn't that great in retrospective, but the journey sure is.
It's also in a rare spot where you don't need to be an Eroge guru to understand all the shit that's going on, but having some knowledge of JP media will help you not miss stuff.

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>> No.21803692

has no one finished world actor yet?
does it get kinugasa'd

>> No.21803779

>the protagonist (and the reader...)
What did he mean by this. Protagonist = reader.

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>> No.21804968

>behaves like a little sister
How do little sisters usually behave? I have an いもうと and even I can't answer this.

>> No.21805005

lame western references

>> No.21805007

>or I would work in the industry
Laughed out loud.

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>> No.21805143

Whom are you quoting?

>> No.21805173

Not him but (You)

>> No.21805174

But I didn't say any of that??

>> No.21805179


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Fuck off.

>> No.21805318

He ain't wrong. Asapro has a knack for comedy, I wonder what they could do if they weren't being limited by the medium. Not like their porn or romance is ever good.

>> No.21805374

By being dikes who crave for the brother's dick. So you know they'll be pure forever from other dirty dicks and open to a 3P with the hottest heroine while shooing away the small fish. Tell me a better sister than that.

>> No.21805390

But the hottest heroine in Nukitashi is Wata-chan.

>> No.21805410

Are you going to play old 90's eroge once the medium dies?

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I just want to comment that Touka route made me wonder if I can make a religion out of this.
I was waiting for her route since the first game and I didn't get disappointed, her route was so great that I lose the motivation to play the others lol
And a I don't like her seiyuu but she nailed the voice acting in this character, I think she should use more this style of voice (大人びいた感じ?) than her typical moe/high pitched one (or the one that I see her use in the most vns I played with he)

>> No.21806422

>make a religion out of this
But wasn't religion hardcore-debunked by some of the most intelligence pieces of eroge made in the 21st century?

>> No.21806489

The Japanese don't have much serious religion but they certainly have some weird cults. Go for it anon.

>> No.21806742

I don't understand how can anyone like that creep.

>> No.21806841

>her route was so great that I lose the motivation to play the others lol
And that's exactly why I decided to go Rei>Iku>Touka, though sadly I had a bunch of work lately and couldn't even finish Rei yet. But at least now I know that it wasn't a wrong decision.

>> No.21806876

Because companies leaving the industry is exactly what we need right now

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Did you even play her route in nukitashi 2?
My willpower didn't let me do it, it happened to me more times than I'm proud of. (And yeah time is a bitch if I wasn't in holidays I think I couldn't even get to the route choice lol)

>> No.21807060

Nukishitters are the same braindead idiots who watch anime youtubers, who would've thought

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Not yet. I'm basing my impression on the first game and only finished afterstories in 2 so far. But I doubt it will change. As a sadist, I hate willing masochists. If she loves NTR so much she is into being pumped and dumped and forgotten, then so be it.

>> No.21808199

No one can become fluent from just reading VNs.

>> No.21808379

I know a few people who did, every single one of them hated it. Ends abruptly even for Kinugasa standards and is literally the prologue to a soshage.

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>is literally the prologue to a soshage
fucking what

>> No.21808434

Is Dies Irae as boring as Paradise Lost?

>> No.21808435

Published by DMM, weirdly neutered Kinugasa, ends with 俺たちの戦いはこれからだ , Kinugasa talking about writing more in the universe, all the signs are there. Just a matter of time.

>> No.21808446

no, magnitudes better.
depending on your tastes, it could be a slow burner though.
dude, this is actually making me mad. i was genuinely looking forward to it, ever since i saw the op and read about the setting
fuck man

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At least now you know how the industry works. Just play games a decade old or so. They still tend to actually install and run, and aren't really affected by the stupid stuff that is going on nowadays. Or go into the more niche stuff. At least there you can talk away the issues with budget restrictions.

I'm actually playing something right now, an old Clochette game, because a new one was released. I haven't touched the new one (and probably never will), but I'd bet it starts with shoving the tits into your face as soon as the girls get introduced, with a nice (shitty) zoom showcasing how much they can't into upscaling. Meanwhile the old game doesn't bother doing that. Heck, even the visible panties in one CG isn't zoomed into. The artist was also still good back then.
Even if the new game wouldn't do that, that kinda stuff is more and more the standard in the industry. Either it's some kinda gacha shit or everything is focused on the porn to the point, you start to question why the heck there's so much shitty text aside of it. Also bigger tits. That seems to be the only thing they can "one up" compared to previous games.

>> No.21808800

clochette was always bad

>> No.21808832

But where else will I get my cowtits?

>> No.21809016

>playing games just for sexual gratification
Leave this thread at once, imbecile

>> No.21809031

>not playing eroge for the ero
okay fag

>> No.21809050

At a farm? I don't where they keep cows these days.

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Which one?

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obviously my wife. i hope she has a route

>> No.21809135

Who knows, it's hard to tell, I'm stumped.

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Best way to learn Jap?

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>> No.21811392

Not here. Leave.

>> No.21811414

That post is 2 hours old, retard

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>a decade old or so
Not old enough.

>> No.21811777

As long as it runs and the textsize isn't awful and it's readable, it doesn't matter how old it is. But anything before 2005 tends to get more and more wonky in that regard.

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Luckily even very old games can be run with scaling in System (enhanced), which is considerably easier on the eyes on high DPI monitors. That's the DOS version but here's a screenshot I took when I was setting up the game to compare System (enhanced) scaling.
If you want to go full >>>/vr/ you could run on a CRT, but thankfully that really isn't necessary to get a good looking game.

>> No.21812189

why did the writer decide on making one of the ちょうだい in kanji?

>> No.21812333

>game is full of oppai lolis
Well, that's my shit.

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read doujinshi
one hiragana at a time
That's what you've learned Jap for

>> No.21812795

Unreal gives some good faps.

>> No.21813310

Maybe it's 長大. Or maybe he just wants to annoy your OCD.

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>> No.21813465

What are the best vn for psp?

>> No.21813567

Second Novel, CCC

>> No.21813587

To make it hard/near impossible for someone like you to read.

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huh, well this could be interesting
is there by chance an enforced route order?

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>> No.21814078

>but I'd bet it starts with shoving the tits into your face as soon as the girls get introduced, with a nice (shitty) zoom showcasing how much they can't into upscaling.
You are correct

>> No.21814210

Should have posted the whole thing

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Who should I do first? NotRem, Succ, Majo or Oneesan?

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oneesan is locked im pretty sure.

This peaks in the common btw.

I did Majo>Succ>NotRem>Oneesan.

>> No.21814240

Wouldn't know that, vndb had little information and I'm at work right now.

>> No.21814253

its on the seiya saiga walkthough , "他の3人攻略後に"

>> No.21814261

Why would I use Seiya for a moege though?

>> No.21814284

I dunno. Maybe try not being a DJT EOP tard that relies on VNDB, then it'll be obvious.

>> No.21814297

vndb is superior to EGS. Seiya is just guides, I don't need one for a moege with 2-3 meaningless choices and then just choose the heroine you want. Dunno why you're so hostile all of a sudden.

>> No.21814328

>vndb is superior to EGS

This meme again? We already argued before.

>> No.21814385

Not him but I agree, vndb is superior and easier to browse, egs is all over the place (it's for example filled with sponsored shit).
The only thing egs has over vndb is that it's more complete, and more detailed.
You can for example more easily and precisely see how long a game takes to be completed but even that doesn't really matter since how a game is "completed" isn't the same for everyone.

What I do is that when I'm searching for a specific game I go on erogamescape to read reviews and know how long it takes to complete it, and when I don't know what I'm searching for I go on vndb.

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Just backing up my claim about Shiros route being locked.

>> No.21814411

EGS region bans areas too often to use.

>> No.21814421

Not him but VPNs, or just fucking Tor works you brainlet.

>> No.21814427

Too much effort for just a single site.

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>> No.21814439

Thanks, guess I'll use it to search for seiyuu and such.

>> No.21814560

sorry if this is the wrong place it ask, but is there a decent guide for learning japanese in order to read VNs? or should I just buy genki

>> No.21814599

Read Tae Kim and do anki, that's it.

>> No.21814602

Idk mate.... Most of us here don't even try reading the actual VNs, we mainly discuss screenshots as you can see.

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>> No.21814798

>Nihongotte muzukashii desu yo ne
Gonna make it any day now, lads.

>> No.21814801

Try again.

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>> No.21814809

Jesus fuck, is this really how bad things are?

>> No.21814814

No, fuck off to >>>/djt/.

>> No.21815246

looks like you're going to have to keep using vndb for a while

>> No.21815247

did anyone play majime orc? is it any good?

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Redpill me on Senmomo

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>> No.21815471

Elsa is the only character with a brain in the whole game

>> No.21815629

MC was the first time I've ever had to mute any character in any game.

>> No.21815632

Kamige, as with all August games

>> No.21815782

Best cutie Hotori-chan got shafted. And not in a good way.

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I had a lot of fun with it when I revisited it with no expectations after forgetting how the mc sounds and remembered to mute him immediately.

>> No.21817678

Leyline2 was pretty cool.
Feels like there were quite a few twists at the end,
origin of the night students was pretty neat, still the sheer amount of homunculi in that school.
Hope the third game holds up to the second one.

>> No.21817692

Anything that's kind of like Secret Game? I already read Rebellions.

>> No.21818097

Enjoyed it quite a bit, but the ending was somewhat retarded imo.

>> No.21818232

Abyss 殺人クラブ. Sadly the 1.5 update patch is impossible to find though.

>> No.21818401

Read that a couple of years ago.

What did the patch add or change?

>> No.21819307

Just use vndb. Go to the game's page, look what traits define the game the most for you, and search for them.

>> No.21819513

Fuck does the MC really sound that terrible? I love voiced MCs.

>> No.21819527

A lot of male voice actors in the industry are simply not used to do major roles like that I guess. Try it out, and when it doesn't work, mute. Just don't shy away from it. I also like voiced MCs, but if it doesn't work it doesn't work.

>> No.21820163

How hard to read is 群青の空を越えて?

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Clearly best girl.
Not a heroine.

Why do companies do shit like this? This is probably why you went out of business Chuable Soft.

>> No.21820285

Well, looking at their last game, it's pretty apparent that they had no idea of what they are doing anymore.
It's one thing to have mr. generic self-insert MC participate in a best couple contest, but if you have actual rivals with character and not completely horrendous designs, it's going to be pretty hard to actually sell that the MC is supposed to win. Even Otaku will have trouble lying that much to themselves. Best girl isn't even relevant there. Any 2 actual characters are going to beat one character and a generic self-insert.

>> No.21820329

I would have voted for the twins personally.

Also notice they hadn't had an imouto character since Noblesse of Rouge? Coincidence? I think not!

>> No.21821274

What famous mangaka have made nukige? So far I have the games from Aoi Nagisa, Meme50, and Ishikei.

>> No.21821325

His voice was fine.
The other guy probably muted it because the voice was starting to sound sexually attractive to him.

Also imouto best girl.

>> No.21821376

Actually, they announced the soshage during a live event, so yeah. Not just rumors.

>> No.21821555

Dunno how famous they are but I know Tanabe Kyou, santa and Inuboshi have worked on some lolige.

>> No.21821613

Thanks, that's a start.

I guess I'm looking at games that are just "vehicles" for popular H mangaka. Other artists who fit this criteria are Goban, Itou Life, Happou Bijin, Mizuryuu Kei, and...

>> No.21821985

This is going to depend on how you're defining "famous mangaka" really.
Like Hisasi did some of the art for Ane Yome Quartet, kakao has worked on several etc.

>> No.21822520

well it's going to flop, fuck them

>> No.21823806

lol this is like the 3rd time this happens with this voice actress.

>> No.21823919

Kantoku I guess?
He's popular for his light novel series and character designs for anime like One Room.

Murakami Suigun maybe? He's popular for his bondage themed art books. But he's probably more famous for his eroge now.

Hikari Hayashibara was famous last century for her lolicon manga and artbooks.

>> No.21824023

The trick is to have every girl be a heroine like baseson does. Although even they better make Huang Zu one next game.

>> No.21824062

That's not really her fault, it's the sound editor's fault.

>> No.21824095

Did you record the other times as well?

>> No.21824121

I know, its just weird how it only happens with this seiyuu tho, guess the other ones aren't as clumsy.
No, I only recorded this one because it's funny how she mumbles to get it right.

>> No.21824320

That was cute. Love how she keeps the same voice when talking to herself. Also it must be some idiot at Lose or the studio that Lose hires since it also happened in Maitetsu.

>> No.21824356

Has any game this year been as good as Sorceress alive?

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>> No.21824527

What's your favorite euphemism for female genitalia? Mine is 花園

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Yes, according to both EGS and vndb.

>> No.21824593

Close contest between 雌穴 and 蜜壺 for me.

>> No.21824597

I like that one too, funny how it has an exact equivalent in English.

>> No.21824599

Probably all of them.

>> No.21824622

Shouldn't you be sorting by standard deviation?

>> No.21824676

No, that doesn't make sense. Why would you want that?

>> No.21824692

Because it's a better metric than median score. It takes into account how many people voted too.

>> No.21824737

I don't know what EGS defines as standard deviation, but in mathematics it's defined as the root of the mean squared error. This means it's a measure of how much the votes differ from another and does not tell you anything about where the median or the mean is located.

>> No.21824871

>>姉さんのススメ that high

I played this game and there is no way anyone would give it such a high rating.
The plot was so shitty even for a nukige.

>> No.21824880

Anyone remember seeing a preview of some sort of VN (or I think it was a VN) that had a slutty looking girl with a chainsaw
it also had some JRPG looking combat where the girl and other party members fought cops but I'm fairly sure it was still a VN

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Tokyo Necro

>> No.21824895

should have mentioned it was definitely not that
(whatever happened to the translations for that, anyway)

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Anyone else?

>> No.21825026

Yeah but when I go to look at the backlog I can't choose a game to play

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someone in another thread found it, it's Donna-donna by alicesoft

>> No.21825094

>(whatever happened to the translations for that, anyway)

Fuck off, EOP.

>> No.21825348

I really hate that I can't stop doing that.
The worst thing is that it happens again with the backlog game and I end up with 20 new stalled games before I actually finish 1.

>> No.21825380

I started alternating games after one route finished, rather than forcing myself to go through the entire game at once. It's nice and lets the the route you finished really sink in before "resetting" and starting over. The alternating doesn't have to be necessarily with games either, sometimes I do one route -> a book -> another route -> a game etc. Keeps things fresh.

>> No.21825397

So no one actually reading 恋愛、借りちゃいました?
It's Asa Project most solid work scenario wise. The heroines have their own view that goes byoned two lines thinking about the MC, also it's filled with side characters and heroines conversation, the characters in this game feel pretty much alive and had their own life beside the MC. It's feels like I am reading a light hearted romantic comedy novel instead of an eroge.

If the heroines routes will turn to be good, then this will be one of the good games this year.

>> No.21825507

I heard the twins' route is awesome so I'm looking forward to it.

>> No.21825690

Finished it like 2 days ago.

Wish Momoko had a proper route though, the end of hers got me tearing up a bit.....

>> No.21825744

I am playing this and isn't she a lesbian?
Or it's just " lol its just a phase "?

why are Japan scared at taking LGBTQ characters seriously?

>> No.21825874

>she a lesbian?
She literally mentions never having actually fallen in love or been in a serious relationship before.

>> No.21825904

The impression im getting of ryuusei world actor from here is that its pretty much complete trash, but how is Ryuusei compared to other Kinugasa games like akagoei?

Is it decent minus the abrupt end?

>> No.21825939

It's fine, most of the bashing comes from people who have never read Kinugasa before or people who went in with too high expectations thinking this will be his masterpiece topping everything else. It's his usual quality.

>> No.21825948

Oh ok, ill probably enjoy it quite a bit then.

>> No.21825963

Konboku is a solid comedy.

>> No.21825972

Shimapan or kumapan?

>> No.21826083

shimapan any day of the week

>> No.21826327

What the heck are you talking about?

>> No.21826341

whether we prefer striped bread or bear bread

>> No.21826772

>characters in 劉旗の大望 appear in events before they get introduced in story
Wow someone fucked up there

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Didn't even know this was a thing. Here you go.
Tsukino Kiiro is fantastic.

>> No.21827298

Thanks. Where did you get it?

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>> No.21827378

I haven't been able to sit down and finish a full vn since sorceress alive came out and I spent all my free time reading that. Are there any VNs that have a similar feel to it?

>> No.21827392

They even banned my VPN though.

>> No.21827847

I'm looking for the CG of a certain game called "Pretty Cat ~Lily and Kyle no Daibouken~" however to my surprise, perhaps because the art is somewhat ugly, the game is not on panda, what can I do?

Also the reason I'm looking for CG about this game is because I collect stuff related to female boxing if anyone knows more title that fit the bill, that would be appreciated

I already got several suggestion thanks to VNDB

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>> No.21829992

Is there a single other company that can consistently produce kamige like Nitroplus?

>> No.21830003

Considering they only have one, yes, plenty.

>> No.21830008


>> No.21830019

>only one
>what is Tokyo Necro, S;G, Muramasa, C;H, Hanachirasu, Saya no Uta, Demonbane

>> No.21830022

you might want to find the game and unpack it (i don't know how, you'll have to search for the game engine) or take screenshots if you're desperate
most of the time you'll have little luck finding CGs for old games

>> No.21830023

Games that aren't kamige, with the exception of >>21830008

>> No.21830263

Tokyo Necro is one of the only VNs I've stopped reading after more than a route in. It fucking sucked.

>> No.21830289

What are other examples? Comyu?

>> No.21830695

can you share ur append 04 saves?

>> No.21830921

Nitroplus is only overrated in the west by retards. Japs like it, but don't go crazy over it.

>> No.21831460


Any idea how I could find the game? A torrent site perhaps?

>> No.21831541

Just finished Ayane's route in 夏の色のノスタルジア so now I have Miu and Shouko left are they worth it the game is kind of boring but I might want to check out Shouko? Can I skip Miu's route?

>> No.21832182

Is the doukyuusei saturn port really 18+? Are there full blown H-scenes or was it given an 18+ rating because of cropped scenes or something like that?

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>> No.21832494

Took them long enough. That upgrade in art though

>> No.21832521

Why are they wearing long sleeves and sweaters during summer? Looks stupid.

>> No.21832609

>super possessive kouhai cousin who calls you nii-san
Absolutely perfect.

>> No.21832754

So I'm looking at the new Asapro game, Renai Karichaimashita, how disappointed will I be that the sister isn't a heroine? I know that's not the point of the game but it seems weird to not have a route when the MC seems so devoted to his sister

>> No.21832801

She has an ugly design anyway so I'm fine with no route, the twins are supposed to fill the imouto role so that's probably why they did't make a real imouto route.

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>> No.21833822

The look even more like hags now.

>> No.21834201

They are just sluts who want a threesome, I want a real pure imouto.

>> No.21834841

But imouto threesomes are good.

>> No.21834901

What kind of gay you have to be to not see the beauty of FFM relationship with twins and willingly refuse a threesome?

>> No.21835262

Sorry, those only exist in bad games.

>> No.21835329

Piromizu is a fucking god

>> No.21835336

Anyone had trouble installing Mahoutsukai no Yoru? I keep getting stuck during the installation with a コピーは失敗しました error. Tried running the installer with both locale emulator and normal jp locale, but no luck with both. Anyone had this issue?

>> No.21835432

sounds like the same issue as the second Schwarzesmarken. Try this - copy the contents of the image to your HDD, then locate the .ini file that governs the whole instalation, it should be install or setup.ini. Open this file in Notepad and save it in Unicode. Then run the instalation.

>> No.21835673

Don't call my precious beautiful little moon Imouto Tsuki-chan ugly you faggot

>> No.21836041

There was no ini file to meddle with, but copying the contents of the ISO and running the installer from the HDD worked, thanks!

>> No.21836175

Am I blind or does vndb not have an insert song tag? It has a million completely useless tags, but not one that's actually good?

>> No.21837129


>> No.21837278

That's a bit different than insert song. For example, Symphonic Rain has the minigames, but if I remember correctly no insert song. Insert song is when a song is starting to play while the text box is still open and you're advancing the text.

>> No.21837591

>tfw can't go to Denki Matsuri event to buy all these cool eroge goods
Life is not fair bros

>> No.21837801

And that's why it's not called insert song. The 3 exceptions that have such a thing in a mini-game or battles can be put under that tag as well. It's basically the same thing anyway.
To be honest, I don't even see much of a difference there anyway. I'd call Symphonic Rain's songs insert songs as well, even though you perform them yourself. You'd call them that in anime as well, when characters would start to play music and sing along.

>> No.21837829

>You'd call them that in anime as well, when characters would start to play music and sing along.
No, you don't. That's just a song in the narrative. Insert song is separate than what the characters experience, it's for the viewer only. It's BGM, the characters don't actually hear it.

>> No.21837864

I think the point is that there is no practical difference between the two for most people. Just because you happen to be afflicted with some special form of autism where this distinction matters doesn't mean others (in this case, vndb) are at fault for not catering to your specific needs.
Also for what it's worth EGS also classifies SR's songs as insert songs.

>> No.21837902

That's the point, it's very low on the autism scale by vndbs standards. It's a thing even anime watchers know about. Yet there are a thousand tags and differentiations for completely random inane things that most people don't even know about.

>> No.21838037

Also this doesn't even have the majority of games with insert songs because some of them use the OP or ED for it and thus don't fulfill the requirement of "songs aside from the OP/ED". Another massive flaw making the tag practically useless for that feature.

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