Elona General

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Old Thread >>21689866

>New? Start here:
https://pastebin.com/FDv2ATAa

>Mods:
https://pastebin.com/5ja03yuf

>E+ Changelogs:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29

>Elona Custom Release Thread:
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:29851

>Elona+ Custom-G Release Thread:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:29336

>Omake Overhaul English Release Thread:
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:28909

>Current Version:
Elona+ 1.90 (2019-06-0)
Elona Omake Overhaul EN (2019-06-17)
>Latest Custom:
E+C 1.89.3 (2019-06-02)
Elona+ Custom-G 1.89.3.1 (2019-06-03)
Omake Overhaul EN Hack final release (2018-12-14)


Errors? Set the compatibility of the .exe to Windows 7.
Using GIMP to create a sprite or PCC? Select "do not write color space" and save it as a 24-bit BMP.

If you want to know the differences between Plus and the most popular Omake variant read the pastebin FAQ.

[Anonymous No.]

Who's that on the left?

[Anonymous No.]

damn I forgot the early game grind is so boring
trying to make a Golem who uses a chainsaw on a horse

[Anonymous No.]

Is it possible to change the personal history in the character sheet?
The Oblivion Palace in South Tyris only replaces it with something else, rather than letting you re-roll it just like your alias.

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>>21768275
You can do that at deep-sea castle I think.

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Is there exp share within your party? I remember playing this ages ago and quitting because I had to ration kills between me and my partner otherwise one would get too far ahead. I'm fine with uber grinding but that just peeves me too much

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>>21768427
The tag system let's two characters share their xp in plus. In the omake line all pets have a small xp share by default.

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>>21768427
You don't really need to put in all that much effort, there are plenty of things you can do to keep up even if your pet gets all the kills. The player has bonus points and can grind specific skills and by extension stats for instance. This only becomes a bit of a problem between pets when you have a big party of 8+, and even then it's just a matter of giving the weakest some extra cash and letting them clear some floors, perhaps adjusting their build

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How do Install The Elona+ custom G? My Elona+ version is 1.90 I updated it today.

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Has anyone been updating the wiki with all the new Elona+ stuff? Missing new enemies, NPCs, moves, etc. are starting to stack up.

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>>21769099
You answered your own question. Going by the changelog there have been additions every week but they're not even close to covering everything. You should add stuff you care about yourself when you can, that's all anyone else does. Nobody's getting paid for spending hours to painstakingly edit articles after all

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>>21769272
I meant more along the lines of listing stats and numbers for new content. I'm kind of behind and trying to remember how to fix when new installs don't launch correctly. It's been about half a year now.

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>>21769081

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>>21769308
I hate to act like a newfag but I can't figure out why my 1.84 still launches fine with no compatibility or permissions problems but 1.90 doesn't, just blips and disappears. There doesn't look like there's an externalize folder in it but copying an old one and dropping it in doesn't seem to do anything either. I've tried launching with compatibility, admin, locale, and all combinations thereof, but I'm retarded. Are there any basic steps I'm missing? I promise I'll add new wiki stuff once I get this working.

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*puts on wizard robe and tinfoil hat*

Does Bloodyshade live in the Netherlands? All the Fallen (loli / shota site) and Sadpanda both vanished this month in around the same time frame and fashion as Bloody. ATF and Panda packed up due to the content they house going against the laws that have recently changed. Their hosts were in the Netherlands.

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>>21769400
It's not like updating Elona+ Custom relates to loli/shota being illegal in their country though...

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>>21769400
This isn't a sudden, unexpected thing, the guy was having trouble making time for updates before too. I faintly recall him saying once that he'd pulled an all-nighter to get a new version out.

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>>21769365
>1.90
>externalize folder
What atrocities are you committing upon that undeserving Plus installation?

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>>21769365
Well if you're trying to use custom 1.89 with +1.90 there's the problem. You should try updating to 1.89.3 and then using custom 1.89.3. There were downloads last thread

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>>21769081
There is no custom or custom g for 1.90
The people that maintained custom are unable to do so anymore, and unless they give their tools (that they used to make the horrible decompiled code easier to work with) to someone else it will be hard for anyone to take their place.
Though the custom g maintainer is trying to do it the hard way, and last he mentioned he was about 50% done.

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>>21769961
Oh okay thank you.

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>>21770934
No problem.
Best hope we have is that Bloodyshade or Anna just makes the tools available in some way so anyone can help maintain custom when IRL shit happens

>>21767778
I think that is fan art of Eyth maybe?

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PCC WHEN? or if anyone knows this female ebon was based off some fanart would be appreciated

[Anonymous No.]

should i use the elonauploader even if the thing i did is absolute shit and nobody would consider downloading it?

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Is there any point in learning the breath skill? doesnt look strong or useful at all

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>>21771573
I haven't used it, but people around here say that the overheal ability it gives you in plus is useful against the word of death curse. Omake also changed the formula for breath attacks so it might be stronger, but I really doubt it's worth it compared to Omake's better feats.

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If/when a Custom replacement comes out, I hope they implement more of Omake's convenience features. Being able to push npcs out of your way while running, being able to quickly scroll through items while examining, and seeing your remaining time and progress during quests are all really nice and it's hard to go back to Plus without them.

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>>21771573
It makes for a decent crowd control skill early on, since it has such a large aoe. It's not so good for single target or late game. However, the mp breath plus adds can scale into some crazy numbers, since is a direct percent of your mp converted into damage, and can be boosted to 3x damage with enchants.

>>21771426

Eyth is dead center, above the cat pile.

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>>21767778
Might be that wish goddess you hear about every now and then.

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Is there a good way to boost potentials early game? I'm only level 9 on this character and don't have nearly enough gold for investing, but all my stat potentials are already bad/hopeless.

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>>21769860
>>21769603
Those are things I attempted AFTER a couple tries at a clean install. I'm throwing darts in the dark. For some reason the 1.84 install that works has custom on as well as an externalize folder in it and I don't remember why. I'm just trying to play 1.90 normally, I know custom shouldn't work with it but I had to try.

Actually it seems opening the old one returns an error now, although at least it opens at all. New versions have a tiny blip before closing itself, 1.84 allows me to go in up to selecting a file before giving me "Update your save data from ver.3130" -> "invalid version" and closing. I must've fucked it up while switching between it and the new one somehow. Opening with custom gives an additional .txt popup after that error explaining what happened. I'm not too concerned with that though, I'm just trying to get my meganekko girl and my monster harem to the brave new world of 1.90.

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>>21772045
Spend all your platinum keeping Cooking and Tailoring above 300%. Cooking you can grind with fish or whatever, Tailoring you'll probably just spend bonus skillpoints.
Once you have both skills close to 30, start making picnic baskets. (You'll probably want to have a ranch, rather than digging for eggs in a nest-Nefia.)

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>>21772256
Alright. I think I tried picnic baskets once before and didn't think the potential boost was worth it. But it's probably closer than potions.

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>>21772249
Can you get 1.90 to work with a new save? If so then you really should just be able to copy your old 1.84 save folder over. If not, download a fresh copy of 1.90 and try it.

However, there's no going back. If the game tried to update your save for 1.90, it'll never work in any previous version, and if 1.84 then tried to update it again, it might be bricked.

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>>21772045
In plus: not until you have money. Don't worry about it for now.
In omake: eat god-blessed food while hungry, especially kumi or inari-blessed food.

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>>21772457
I have multiple copies of the save so that's no big deal, and I only tried to open it with saves already in the folder one time. Same result, just a flash and crash. The problem is definitely some interaction between my computer and the install because I've redownloaded, re-extracted, reset and retried everything I can think of. I don't have a clue why this is happening and nothing is changing the result.

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We need more pet evolutions or at least another way to use evolution hearts. They quickly lose their purpose once you've evolved your entire team, which can happen as early as Act 1 depending on your party. It doesn't help that pool of evolvable npcs is so small.
Maybe they could be used in a pot for fusion recipe that increases pet stats/skills based on heart type. That way you don't have to babysit as much.

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>>21775757
Have you gotten to the point yet where you want to get every piece of equipment to the ideal type for maximum defensive stats? That uses one heart for every transition in the equipment update pot of fusion recipe. If you have a number of pets and want to maximize your entire party's defense, that will take many dozens if not over a hundred hearts. Same thing for (living) weapon types.

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>>21775916
Well shit, I never looked into equip update. Seems like a good way to clear my storage house of all those hearts. Still, more evolution options would be nice for the sake of variety.

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>>21776536
First you reach a kind of plateau, where you have so much defense nothing physical can really damage you. But then later, enemies start becoming so strong that you need to enchant everything to +10 and most preferably godly adamantium/dragonscale plate type with the dice maximized through craft repair kits.

What maximizing the dice means: say you have two adamantium plate mails of the same quality, they will not necessarily have the same DV/PV because those values of any item of the same type, material, and quality still vary within certain parameters. So the adamantium plate mail might have been generated with 80PV minimum and 111PV maximum. The craft repair kit immediately sets that to the maximum number possible. Higher quality has a higher limit, so a mundane adamantium plate mail has a lower limit than a <miracle> one, which has a lower limit than a {godly} one.

When changing type and material this number will be rerolled, so save your craft repair kits for the final item. Pic related is what you can end up with as far as defensive stats go.

Remember that for changing godly/living equip materials, you can change material kits from their initial material to adamantium/rubynus at Garok's with one superior material scroll and a medal, and you can buy material kits at Larna to use for this from the souvenir vendor.

[Anonymous No.]

Yoy the person who is waiting military putit I've sent you tracking number on ebay some days ago but if you can't see your messages anymore it left my country and should be crossing the ocean right now. And if someone wants a wool character too please let me do one for you!

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>>21776808
Marisa went to the wrong place. Hope she'll be alright.

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>>21776771
Miracle and godly actually have the same limit, and it's easier to get the right enchantments on miracle gear, so I'd aim for that. This is especially good when you get to artifact fusion, since you can get a mostly blank miracle item using a garok's hammer.

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>>21776925
pv/dv/hit/dmg limit, that is. Godlies do have 500 higher enchant limit for fusion.

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>>21776925
>Miracle and godly actually have the same limit
My mistake. Dealing with miracles is also easier because you can just buy or craft change material scrolls en masse. The first godlies you get from treasure maps can last for some time because they often have multiple high resists, but you're right that they're often full of useless enchants whereas you could take say an armor ''of element'' and garok kit it, then have a ton of fusion room.

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How do you get food early on? Cargo Rations are easy enough to come by but it seems nowhere sells rations I can eat when I'm doing stuff. Orderring stuff from waiters each time seems like it'll leave me starving sooner or later.

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>>21777172
Learn cooking. This makes food last a lot longer. The food machines in most inns (Yowyn notably lacks a good one) are high quality and tend to give edible food even at low skill.

Fruit trees have free food. You can (B)ash the tree to get the fruit, then cook it and it'll keep for a while. Buy all the food from the bakery if the town has one. Bread products never spoil. Noodles do but I think still take a lot longer than fruits.

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>>21777172

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>>21777172
>>21777206

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>>21777206
>>21777210
To be fair to that anon, for the longest no one bothered to translate the tutorial school.
Not even custom

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>>21777172
Get an ice box. You can store up to 4 stacks of any kind of food in it and it won't rot.

[Anonymous No.]

Elona+ Custom 1.90.1 is now available:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1YkyIkfVkRzi1qR9ayCA2YsqVyRlQxHkA
https://mega.nz/#!uFBiHAiC!G6a7sjwEmamXalI263SnjgQ8riGXrT6Wd-CEt4tQAD4
Be sure to back up your save folder before upgrading.
Custom-G 1.90.1.1 will hopefully be out within a week or so.

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>>21777508
Amazing. Thanks anon

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>>21777508
Amazing work anon, will update the pastebin

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>>21777508
Time to see if this fixes my regular install at all. Fuck me. If this doesn't work I'll have to stop playing Elona.

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>>21778595
Did you get your copy of 1.90 from the link in the Wikia release thread, or from somewhere else?
Were you playing Custom-GFU? As I recall, that variant actually changes the code of items and such, so its saves probably aren't cross-compatible like Plus/Custom/G.

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>>21778627
Yes, from the usual link, and no, not GFU. Even Elona+ on its own doesn't work for me right now; I was hoping adding Custom in like usual would magically fill in some gap causing the error, which it didn't. I mentioned it earlier in the thread but basically I've tried everything and nothing changes. This has only ever happened with 1.90.

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>>21778642
You did the compatibility stuff for the EXE in question, right? Tried running the game as admin?

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The google docs link on the wikia for base 1.90+ isn't working for me, anyone have an alternate link?

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>>21778684
Yes. Compat, admin, both, etc. I really have tried everything listed in any guide or FAQ or troubleshooter. I cannot figure out the missing piece of the puzzle. I've only used the official downloads, same as I would for any past version. Nothing is different this time except that it closes instantly and returns no error code.

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>>21778815
https://mega.nz/#!bFJTRSQQ!e78vSUTDTtBza4rHY-pCnulKZDd0pjT3o9Nq0krwjvs

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1.91 is out: http://wanwanplus.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-38.html

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>>21779092
This seems like a Chinese bootleg...

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>>21779107
It's the site that's been on the wiki front page for years.

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>>21779166
>>21779107

Now, that's not to say plus isn't a Chinese bootleg, it does have it's moments after all.

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>>21768275
You can type whatever you want in the txt file in your save folder.
Or reroll in the Deep-Sea Castle, yeah.

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>>21777508
SWEET. I'll still wait for +CG though.
>back up your save folder
I'd always back up the entire install. That way you have a confirmed working state to always roll back to if need be, with your configs, saves, and mods.
Well, rather, I'd just install 1.90.1 in parallel without uninstalling 1.89.3.1 at all, and copy my shit over to the new one. That's more ideal.

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1.91 changelog
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:30910?useskin=oasis

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>>21778893
Thanks anon

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>>21780333
Big nerf for Martial Arts. Damage dice used to cap at 2d256 at 2000 skill level, now caps at 2d120 at 550 skill level.

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>>21782011
It's quite harsh, and along with other weapon types gaining pierce with skill seems to be intended to knock MA from its throne as ''ultimate fighting style that nothing else even comes close to in the very late game''. Like before, if you wanted to become a stat capped deep void godslayer it would be simply a poor choice to pick anything but MA. However most players don't even get close to the point where this matters and will experience the starting damage+pierce increases and faster gains as a buff instead. I just wonder whether these changes will make all MA enemies hit way harder in the first two acts

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>>21782011
Whoah that's brutal. I was expecting it to stop at 2d200 or something like that. It's a buff for the first 100 hours or so, but come endgame 2H might be stronger now.

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Custom-G 1.90.3.1 is finally out. (Also Custom 1.90.3.) Enjoy! I also put up a copy of Plus 1.90, since the original download is gone.

>>21782466
Yeah, I'm honestly unsure what to do about that whole deal. Right now I'm leaning toward just preserving MA as-is, simply because the change doesn't seem to have been fully thought out.

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>>21777172
Bakers sell flour and bread which never go bad and raise a good selection of stats. There's one in vernis, palmia, lumiest, and noyel.

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>>21782746
I don't mind the idea of making everything else more viable, because MA really was so strong it was in a class of its own. However instead of nerfing the strongest I'd just buff the other styles. I don't think weakening anything for the sake of balance is a good idea, because nobody likes it when things are taken away. It's like a retcon in a story, a better solution is to work around it instead of neutering the powerful thing because that just messes with the players' heads.

Unless it's so ridiculous that it's practically an exploit, like how Nefia Fever used to affect Lesimas and you could run through getting infinite materials. You could argue that MA bordered on that ridiculousness, but it also required massive effort to be put into it

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>>21782011
I did a bit of wizard mode testing and it looks like MA's endgame damage potential in 1.91 is about 70% of what it was before. I'd say the endgame damage hierarchy looks like this now:

Barehanded MA
2H
Shields/claws/tonfas MA
DW
Weapon + shield

Before 1.91 martial arts hit 2d120 damage at level 920. Up to that point 1.91's martial arts is more powerful than before.

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>>21782746
Wouldn't it normally be 1.90.1.1 since there was only one version of Custom to base it on?
Are numbers going to be weird now?
Thank you, awesome person.

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>>21783050
1.90.2 added Curse of Hunger to the Custom AI buff/hex list, and 1.90.3 fixed some Japanese text that got messed up somehow.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any way to teach the Rouge Wizard control magic? Because she keeps killing my allies by using firebolt ruining my relationships with my other pets/allies.

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>>21784059
Feed him a pet with control magic.

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>>21784093
I'm only level 43 are there any pets that I can catch or buy that have control magic?

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>>21784169
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Easy_Gene_Engineering

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>>21784174
Thanks bro.

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>>21784243
You can also, if you ever really want to, waste blessed gain attribute scroll/s. Blessed guarantees a (random) skill the target doesn't already have.
That's mostly just for if you don't want the pet to gain any limbs though. Pretty limited to minmaxing that stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

Trying out custom g 1.90.3.1, with custom 1.90.3 as base. Windows 7 compatibility mode.

Just randomly crashed during a low level hunting quest with this error:

HspError 2 WinError 0 Ver 3210 Mode 0
efId 619 efP 315 Area 13/1
ci -1#528 ti -1#528 cc 59#983 tc 1#166 rc 63#983
3. main_init:Begin ct:245
2. main_init:End ct:0
1. pc_turn_init ct:0
0. turn_end:pc ct:0

Is this normal? I have been lucky and this is quite literally the first random crash I have ever gotten playing this game on and off for years.

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>>21784958
OK. Whatever this is, it crashes consistently upon me loading my save back into the hunting quest after a couple of moves/turns.

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>>21784958
>>21785005
Went through and tried the save with each step of installation. All exe set to windows 7.
Elona+ 1.90 was fine
Custom 1.90.3 was fine
Custom G 1.90.3.1 crashed with the error again multiple times.
I am still too dumb to know what that actually means, but something with G is fucky.

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>>21784891
If you want to give a pet a skill it doesn't have without giving it limbs, gene engineer the monster with the skill onto another (humanoid) creature first to teach it the wanted skill, and then that one onto your pet. You can avoid unwanted limbs that way because it only passes on limbs that the unmodified creature would but does pass on new skills.

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>>21785288
Oh yeah. Humans don't pass on limbs at all so they're safe, and they can take skills from others.
That's good thinking.

[Anonymous No.]

what's the closest thing to an Elona manga/anime/LN?

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>>21785101
>"if ( cdatan(CDATAN_CLASS, cc) == "warrior" ) {"
>"if ( cdatan(CDATAN_CLASS, cc) != "warrior" ) {"
>change second "if" to "else"
>forget to delete the condition
Custom-G 1.90.4.1 in about five minutes.
(Also Custom 1.90.4, because I accidentally coded the new entries for the Custom AI pet evolution skill recognition stuff to check if they had evolved "more than once" instead of "at least once".)

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>>21785516
Try reading Re:Monster. The protagonist evolves, collects soldiers/pets/wives, builds a fortress out of his home and manages his own army. There are a lot of these type of stories now but this one is not sanitized and MC does morally ambiguous things you'd think somebody in that situation might do

[Anonymous No.]

My pet is at 375 speed due to AP. How do I raise her AP further? Am I fucked?

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>>21785777
Increasing initial speed doesn't affect INI, the reason you're not getting AP anymore is because the more AP you have earned so far, the higher the enemy stat requirement to get more. You could kill things in the void but watch out for e.g. superpowered exploders and creatures that summon

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>>21785649
The evolution system in that looks pretty lit. Would be neat to see something like it in a Roguelike

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>>21785649
>>21786081
Fuck it, what's the best way to play a goblin? This has got me inspired. You can turn anything into any build with enough grinding right?

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>>21787744
Just play normally. Goblins are above average.

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>>21787744
Someone beat act 1 in 20 hours on permadeath as a goblin last thread. Anything is possible

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Woah what should I do with it I wonder?
I already got one living crossbow and I'm trying to create a resist stick out of it.

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>>21788432
Did you really just take a photo of your computer screen?

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Anyone has custom 1.90 link? bloodyshade page is rip

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>>21788538
The Custom-G release thread.

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>>21788568
i see Custom-G but not just 'custom' itself,dont i need custom to install Custom-G over? thats how i have been doing it since Custom-G release

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>>21788591
Oh, you wanted the custom for 1.90, not 1.90 for custom.
You'll need to go to the Custom release thread. Latest version is 1.90.4. It's an unofficial release by the Custom-G guy, since BloodyShade retired.

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>>21788622
Ah,so skip custom 1.90 and just straight install Custom-G 1.90.4.1 into elonaplus 1.90,correct?

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>>21788646
No, same as always: Plus 1.90, Custom 1.90.4, Custom-G 1.90.4.1.

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>>21788646
>>21788661
Nevermind i am retarded,found a link at the bottom of the release thread

thanks anon

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>>21788514
Sorry my computer got no internet.

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>>21788736
>phoneposter can't into tethering

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>>21788806
Don't be such a bully!

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>>21788432
Skill sticks and stat sticks are good.

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>>21788879
What if I use it as a weapon tho? Is this mana burn thing is any good?

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>>21788736
Does it also have no USB ports or local WiFi? For file transfers.
>>21789001
MP drain is nifty against long drawn out fights with things that heal (Converge breath), and rare creatures with almost no mana. Things you can force to overcast.
Rarely ever will it be make or break though, unless you're going against very specific monsters several times your level.

I'd keep it for a bow using pet rather than use it as a resist/stat stick, personally. But you might never actually get around to doing that.
Bows all have crappy distance modifiers though. So the only real reasons to do that are convenience from already having weapons on hand and sheer roleplay.

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>>21789001
>What if I use it as a weapon tho?
I'd wait for a living gun instead.

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>>21785516
There is an (untranslated) web novel that is literally Elona×Konosuba
https://syosetu.org/novel/82997/

[Anonymous No.]

Do you need to craft items near your crafting skill level for decent exp or can you still level the skill at a decent pace churning out, for instance, weak rods of magic missile?

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>>21790565
Exp from crafting something is based entirely on the amount of materials used to make it. And skill potential, obviously. Maxes at 47 materials.

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>>21791114

Hmm, so 400% potential and build one of the 100x material artifact fusion items? It wastes half the mats but nothing else comes near 47.

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>>21791272
Waste art for carpentry is pretty good too.

[Anonymous No.]

Is Ehekatl really worth it as a general use God? Easy to gain favour with but her bonuses seem really hit or miss.
Luluwy seems a lot better even if I don't plan on using bows all that much, and to be honest a yandere-ish dominatrix seems pretty comfy to worship.

[Anonymous No.]

The past ahead seems so hard at this point.

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>>21792656
Ehekatl is not very practical but you already know that, luck aids in getting slightly better items on average, maybe useful to swap to her if you're doing some seriously large scale gear gathering/crafting but otherwise I'd just pick her for flavor. Forgetting god gifts for a moment because you want to get the gifts from every god anyway. Lulwy boosts speed which is always good, Kumiromi gives stamina regen which is extremely useful around the time you start spamming abilities like party buffs, cooking, houzanha, reading party, performer/preaching etc. Itzpalt gives ele resist which can be useful, since fire/ice/lightning are very common. Mani gives free 20% damage, which is very good. Prayer of Jure can save your life, handy in harder difficulties. I'm not sure what to think of Opatos' 10% damage reduction.

Personally I'd pick Lulwy or Mani or Kumi, leaning more towards Kumi, because after I've got my shit together at the end of act 1 it's usually around the time I'm doing some serious ability spam day in day out.

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>>21792757
The most important things are money and herbs. Give her 100k every once in a while, duplicate the kumi statue many times with sister quest and fill as many farms with herbs as possible. Herb in sandwiches (easy to stack when buying from bakeries) and eat together, or since she eats far more often than you, you can give her a stack of blessed curarias. You'll get faster and faster at raising stats, and with everything you've learned I bet if you started a brand new no gene game you can reach this point in 1/4 the time. Reaching the cap is hard but the more you learn the better (=faster) you get. This is the ultimate little girl grinding simulator.

[Anonymous No.]

OK. I am bored and this probably isn't the right thing for this kind of thread anyway, but I want to add some silly/insane RP to this magiphobe tourist run.
Taking suggestions for name and personality for my pets, starting with my little girl.
I'll pick the one I like most or whatever post ends with a 1 3 or 5 if I can't choose, then make a tone based off it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21793785
https://www.seventhsanctum.com/generate.php?Genname=generalperson

https://www.seventhsanctum.com/generate.php?Genname=quickchar

https://www.seventhsanctum.com/generate.php?Genname=charscramble

[Anonymous No.]

>>21789686
well shit time to start learning moon

[Anonymous No.]

>>21794317
These are nice anon, and I'll likely use them for some non elona related tabletop for quick NPCs.
I was mainly asking the thread though for some 'zany'/stupid ideas to make my party of 5 pets a true band of misfits.
My last real save had a little girl was basically a psycopathic alcoholic with split personality disorder from too much gene engineering if that says anything.

Planning on using a little girl/Valkyrie, porc, defender, (fire) fox brother, and military Putit once all is said and done.

>>21794402
I'm almost at the point I am seeing how/if I could hire a translator to just do it for me since apparently it is loved by the Japanese elona community. Also since I know I will never have the follow through to teach myself moon runes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21794789
Little girl: Goal is to stop being little. By which I mean drink enough blessed milk to be 10 or 12 feet tall. For a start.

Porc: The orc girl from "Elf-san wa Yaserarenai".

Defender: The level-headed one who tries to keep the others in line. Struggles to not take her exasperation out on others.

Fire fox: Giggling pyromaniac. Draw as much inspiration from Kefka as possible.

Military putit: Childlike and goofy, but with an occasional inexplicable insight into things. (Secret backstory: soldier who was driven insane by the horrors of war and regressed into a childlike personality where the constant death and bloodshed doesn't register.)

[Anonymous No.]

whats the sprite set with the fat butt?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21796827
A guy drew and edited sprites, it was the same guy who did the collage pictures. There should still be a link to his mega in the pastebin

[Anonymous No.]

>>21794878
>defender
>she/her

[Anonymous No.]

>>21800058
Do you even read the change logs? That's been a thing for ages now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21794878
These are pretty good anon.
Especially like the little girl idea.
Porc is a problem though since I already have a male porc I recruited, and I have never read Elf-San aside from meme images in other threads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21792757
That's a really awkward choice in font. Seems like it has wider width when bold, causing some alignment issues. While also being aliased bitmap in some places and anti-aliased in others.
I don't remember if the mojibake at the top was just part of that version or if it could be caused by font/encoding. In modern versions it says Cursor [Blessings & Curses], to refer to the de/buff slots on the right and the Hint: at the bottom, which you can move between.
Any reason you're staying back on 1.50.1? Does WINE not play well with later versions?

[Anonymous No.]

There any portraits for goblins/other nonhumanoids? All the ones I've found have been generic stuff for humans/elves.

[Anonymous No.]

is the blackbelt guy from some anime or something? i know its like kai avatar,but wanted to know if its an OC or something already done

if someone could post the portrait i would be grateful as i never managed to find it

[Anonymous No.]

>>21803876
Portraits are by far the easiest to make
https://pastebin.com/uAVqeTbz
the problem is getting a matching sprite. Making a PCC takes like a week even if you're working from reference. Though there are plenty of PCCs ready to download and use, and if you're only making small edits like hair/skin color a customized one won't take you very long.

>>21804778
On the artist's pixiv he draws that character many times, and it's tagged original character.
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=6715949&type=illust&p=3
Kai just used one of that artist's sprites. Pic related is the portrait you wanted. You need to convert it ie open and save it as .bmp, because you can't post bmps on here

[Anonymous No.]

Do alchemy rods take value into consideration? Does using one on a scroll of oracle get a better chance for a rare scroll, or is it pure chance? Not sure what to use them on since you can't reroll containers with them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21805796
To elaborate a bit on making a portrait, all you have to do is look for art you like, crop it out, scale it down/edit it to your liking, and save as .bmp. Here is an example of the process for a portrait I made from houtengeki's art for my Elea wizard pet.

I drew the sprite myself, but you can just as well edit somebody else's to your liking or use them as is, which takes far less work. It's easiest to have a sprite ready first and then look on image sites like boorus for art to make a matching portrait from, because there is simply more general art around than there are sprites for Elona. A fun thing I like to do with portraits is draw over them, because when you've scaled it down to Elona portrait size, the image is so small it's really easy to edit. I take mouths and eyes from other images too and swap them out like I'm playing with Mr Potato Head, takes less time than drawing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21805796
Very well,many thanks anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>21805892
Yeah I figured I might have to make my own. Cheers anyways, and nice character btw.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21786081
I just remembered, PosChengband actually has that. There's dozens of races in that game, but also a specific category for monster races. Monster PCs in that game can evolve after hitting certain levels. Slimes become gelatinous cubes and then weirder creatures. Dragons get bigger and go into an elemental/metal evolution route. Death-swords absorb weapons to become stronger, Rings wait until they are worn by an NPC and then hitchhike until the NPC dies and the monster loots and wears them (domination and absorbing jewelry gives power, wearers can also realize you're controlling them and get rid of you), possessors take over corpses (try killing a unique and then becoming him), demons grow from little shits into multi-armed hindu gods, hydras grow more heads etc.

I wouldn't recommend if you can't stand ASCII, and arguably PCB is even more of a grindfest than Elona since you don't have all the life-simulation aspects even though it's still open world, just explore buy/sell and murder

[Anonymous No.]

>>21802026
>>21802026
>1.50.1
I don't remember, it was for some dumb reason but I was playing from 1.47, by that time I was getting into the groove, Ano made some updates to the dungeon that I didn't like, and after that I refused to touch future releases. I think he reverse it but still, I'm playing this until I reach all contents in this version. I took a break for a few years, but I am starting my old save again

[Anonymous No.]

Not sure if this is common knowledge, since most people seem to play with thirst off, but I just noticed that Wetting status and above lets you recover SP during auto actions like mining and performing.

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And I almost forgot why I ditched this shithole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21807403
How is PCB these days? Last I heard about it, /vg/ hated it, then the author added anti-savescum measures, and then he ragequit development entirely.

[Anonymous No.]

Am I misremembering, or was there a pastebin for the easiest way to gene engineer skills and body parts onto pets?
I remember using it to set up my pets when I played ages ago, but I can't find it now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21809668
>>21784174

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any lore reason why opatos,a buff brown tall dude who loves battle has an army of blonde blue eyed women with a penchant for carrying stuff? you would imagine the patron deity of golden knights is a norse goddess or something

[Anonymous No.]

>>21809713
I am a blind idiot.
Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21809056
The last time I really discussed PCB on /vg/ was when everyone was playing it and having fun, and guys were making videos of their runs with tips. A fork of it emerged after the author was gone called frogcomposband. I was playing it just now, it's really good. All sorts of little improvements. I got spooked for a second because it appeared monster races were gone, but playing as a monster is a seperate game mode for some reason (easy/normal/monster). The game seems better to me in every way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21810073
He's a beach-loving sunbather, they're gym bunnies who don't spend much time outdoors.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21810073
It's better if the servants aren't just miniaturized versions of their gods.

[Anonymous No.]

I know t's extremely unlikely due to how unknown Elona is but I may as well check, has there ever been any Elona merchandise made? Something like figures or keychains

[Anonymous No.]

>>21812471
Some people over at pixiv do something like that. I'm not sure what cons host Elona-related stuff, but I bet there's more merchandise like this during whenever that inevitably happens.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21812750
We have our very own craftsman in the thread, he sells stuff on ebay.

see >>21776808

[Anonymous No.]

Hero Cheese or Happy Apples? Happy apples are more expensive in music tickets and a lot of guides seem to recommend them but luck doesn't seem that important when the best stuff seems to come from crafting, which can be done during lucky days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21814860

Magic fruit, you can buy life up to 300 with AP now.


As for happy apples, luck doesn't do as much as those old guides thought it did. It's not useless, but it's not especially useful either. You also need upwards of a 1000-5000 luck to see any real difference for most things.

Things luck affects: reduces bad events (nightmares/etc.), improves quality of goods (miracle vs godly, leather vs ether), rare npc spawns, chance of resisting curses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21812750
>>21814112
these all look pretty nice. Is there a link to the ebay account or the pixiv stuff?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21815740
NVM found the Ebay seller, still interested in the Pixiv stuff though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21815740
That picture is from booth.pm, which is the pixiv version of Etsy. Unfortunately, there is very little stuff related to Elona there, so you'll see it immediately if you simply search for "elona". Not going to link that guy's account, because it looks like two sets of these putit figurines are all the Elona stuff he has.

It looks like you'd have to hunt live conventions if you want to get Elona stuff. No idea where to even begin with that, though. Twatter was as unusable as ever when I tried to look it up there. But if Live-a-Live has its own annual convention (with THLAL prominently featured there), I bet Elona does as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21812422
At least most make sense thematic wise,opatos and golden knight looks way odd

[Anonymous No.]

>>21816240
Ok thanks, might grab one of the Putits not sure yet though, any idea what shipping is like on here or if they even ship internationally at all?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21767778
Where can I grab 1.904? I'm assuming 1.91 isn't compatible with E+C and the repository 404s.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21817214
the release thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>21817837
Nah, ano pulls the old versions down when he releases a new one. With bloodyshade gone, we've lost our main mirror, and need other people to post their own links.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21817943
the OP of the custom-g release thread

[Anonymous No.]

elin....

[Anonymous No.]

>>21818837
What type of game was this supposed to be?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21818837
Isn't he MIA?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21818907
A rune factory-like with some elona stuff in them is what I remembered being described
>>21818922
Maybe, you could try emailing him

[Anonymous No.]

>>21818939
The last time he answered me was in 2016 in English

[Anonymous No.]

>>21818941
Have you tried it again recently?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21818941
>>21818922

He answered some requests for source code a few months ago. He's just not working on the games at the moment, I think it was something about needing an artist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21819045
What's taking him so long? there are some talented people in the community so why not just ask them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21819239
Dunno. Maybe lack of asking skills. Maybe he's got the motivation of a snail. Maybe he got a job and now works 18 hr days. Hard to say. Lot's of hobby game programmers just kinda, fizzle out.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there anywhere that rock throwers spawn more frequently? I need 3 to get into the fighters guild to give my tourist tactics.
Also, how many Oracle scrolls should I keep on my person in case an adventurer has a super lure or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21819375
You might as well just collect every oracle scroll, even if you don't need that many for 1 thing, you might find several things you want all at once.

If you need the money, you can just sell them on demand. It'll be like a piggy bank, no taxes/theft.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21819379
Yeah, I've been collecting the few I find.
I meant actually buying them. I have been running Port Kapul to Noyel cargo trading pretty early this run.
Spent about 100k on slaves for gene engineering, and now I am buying scrolls in case adventures have anything I need since most my equipment is low level vendor shit, plus diablo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21819239
Previous artist died iirc. Like, literally died. So not sure how much motivation there is depending on whether they were friends or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21819526
welp rip game I guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>21819526
What of? Was it the dreaded Japanese cold (also known as overwork?)

[Anonymous No.]

>>21819526
No, I remember that she died before Noa started elin. It was why Noa stopped doing thing for a few years... Though that may have been another friend who died though, if it was I'm sorry, but I remember Noa making Elona with the artist

[Anonymous No.]

>>21820811
If the artist died before Elin, who made all the cute game graphics he used in all those demo videos?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21820811
Different person. Rueken died *and* the illustrator for Elin died.

[in all fields No.]

Huh so this is the first time I'm seeing this "enhances when charging" attribute. Might be too obvious but, anyone knows about it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21822400
It's old. See wiki
Attacks made using the Charge special action with a weapon with the "It enhances when charging" attribute have their distance modifier set to 15, meaning, they do 1.5x base damage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21822423
Alright nigga thanks, couldn't find it for some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21822267
Rueken just disappeared, didn't actually die.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it possible to progress in Elona without using the quest board? It might be a fun challenge to do on a new playthrough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21824772
Sure. Your early sources of plat will likely be yacatect's god rewards, and maybe selling married ranch animals to rapheal.

Later, you'll just run dugeons like normal, and get storyline rewards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21816646
Haha it really has テロリス as the Japanese name. I love puns.

[Anonymous No.]

Do you prefer to use a natural game NPC/monster as a pet or custom make your own one and summon it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21819375
You could always just sneak into the guild with a rod of teleport and a scroll of incognito.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21822267
>>21824694
Rueken has uploaded images to pixiv as recently as a month ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21826348
There's enough variety and customization available that I've never felt the need to make a custom pet. It seems like more work than it's worth unless you want to do some serious roleplay and get a NPC just right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21826348
I think barely any players know how to actually make and summon 100% custom NPCs like the ones players used to put in moon gates. I don't see any reason to take the effort to make a cnpc file when the in-game NPCs work just fine. You can customize any pet's appearance/profile and train them in-game either way, so the only difference would be having combinations of bit flags/abilities that do not normally occur, like moongate NPCs I saw that had wish+lay hand+meteor. Feels inauthentic to me, whereas normal NPCs feel like they belong even when you make them look nothing like the original.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21826861
Just killed the last rock thrower so that isn't an issue anymore.
Besides, since I am a masochist and doing a no spellbook magic run I don't need the other guilds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21827212
>non spellbook is masochism
i dont use magic in this game at all,again i play on overdose

just because i am a brainlet and dislike how needlessly complex elona magic system is

[Anonymous No.]

Does selling an Unknown Shell work? I have one in my house already and they're fairly common drops during Harvest quests (I have like 19 stardust just from shell drops). I'm just unsure if selling one in my shop will break something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21827427
Precious items can't be sold. Is all your stuff at +15? Why not use that stardust in a pot for fusion recipe to make some nice items?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21827387
Well I play essential and only use rods/scrolls/potions.
But it is no doubt suboptimal compared to using actual spells.
I personally just like managing the items more than spellstock. Plus rods only need magic device.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21827437
Ah, forgot about that. I'm still running around collecting platinum for skills, so my crafting skills are pretty low.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to change a specific NPCs sprite? Like, just one of my pets but not other NPCs of the same race?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21827600
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Custom_NPC_sprite

[Anonymous No.]

Are inner gods in OO as strong as custom plus? i cant wrap my head around using the limited powerleveling/item tools OO offers compared to other versions to kill inner ehekatl

[Anonymous No.]

>>21827694
The Void Gods are not encountered the same way as the Inner Gods of Custom Plus. The way OO handles achievements makes it so that if you're trying to get the God Killer achievement with that, you're going to be fighting shit that's a lot stronger than in E+.

This is Mani. Like most Void bosses at that range, he has capped stats. Also note the enchant levels on his equipment lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21827747
I am lost here,that looks stupid even by E+ standards,are you supposed to cheese them or have a pet deathsquad?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21827784
No. Grinding to max stats and getting past the stat cap isn't actually that hard in Omake because of the Time Machine and God Blessed Food. Admittedly, it's even faster for Pets, especially since Time Machine lets your pets get feats.

But it's time intensive and most people don't want to bother with it.
E+ removed the Time Machine part of the shelter because it was too fucking broken.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21827784
>>21827803
There are, several important details to note.
Omake has no concept of equipment caps. That is, you can push that enchant value as high as you want. Before the first balance patch, it was even worse, because enchantment strength would also increase indefinitely, resulting in equipment that would break stat limit just by existing. The helm in attached pic raises speed by 41k, and perception by 2.6k. It was found in the black vendor after investment level 2 billion.

So people decided to turn their efforts towards multiplying money. But they already had something for that. Mani Material Mining, basically abusing Mani's Deconstruction, a Mine Dog, and a Shelter to farm infinite materials for use in crafting. People testing the MMM found that generally it was around 4m gold/10 minutes, and over time that would increase as the selling process became more efficient.

To reset the merchants, they would use the Shelter Time Machine, while conveniently setting up a Hungry Ghost Bath. The former would accelerate time to force resets (and do a whole lot of other things), while the latter would allow the character (or pet characters) to get constantly hungry.

Thing is, fluffy bread is easy to produce and easy to bless in stacks. So basically they could use it with Kumiromi Blessed Food (pre prepared) to completely replace potions of potential.

If they needed levels? Use potions of descent (craftable).
If they needed to break the stat limit? Buy alchemy boost gear, fuse potions, drink them to get an extra 2k or so in all stats (for several thousand turns). This was *easily* doable even at a low level, because potion fusion was intended to be broken. Even without alchemy boost gear and only a low level in alchemy, if you were patient enough you could mass fuse +30 pots and get 500-600 points in speed for a couple hundred turns.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21827784
>>21827850
Eventually this led to people experimenting with "Evil" Weapons. For a normal game, the "Evil" Weapon is a useless piece of junk that is annoying and requires a stupid amount of name scroll scumming.

But with enough name scroll scumming, a "Perfect Damage Resist" gear set (mainly something to reduce bleeding damage so that even if you're heavily bleeding you don't die), it turns out you can get a weapon that boosts damage so heavily, you end up hitting damage overflow. And then of course, since Evil Weapons can be purified and have no level cap, effectively you can get it to stupid high levels before purifiying it and reverting it back into a normal weapon...all enchantments intact, just with the bloodsucking removed.

The guy that did a lot of this testing in the Japanese circles went up to weapon level 286 before he stopped and realized that his weapon was already hitting cap and it was pointless to go further. With his set of feats and spellcasting, he was hitting around 11m per spell with Magic Storm. He was testing on a stronger version of Mani at Void Level 10k. His Magic Storm was level 91.

When he did the math, he realized that the weapon was multiplying spell damage by 760 times the base value. If he went higher, the damage would overflow and go into the negatives.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21827895
This was his Evil Weapon, Purified. A Spirit Cloth Sickle at Enchant Level 331. That +187200 at the end is Enchant Strength 187200 "It Enhances Your Spells". Another instance of "Omake has no concept of caps".

[Anonymous No.]

>>21827919
>>21827895
>>21827850
>>21827747
well that shut me up real quick

[Anonymous No.]

>>21827926
The guy that did all of this experimentation in the Japanese circles still has his site up (http://mixednuts1kg.blog.fc2.com/).). But unfortunately for non English readers, it's naturally all in Japanese, and a fair bit of the information is technical and jargon specific. That and a general lack of interest is why a lot of the "details" in Omake forks haven't been added to the wiki at all.

I still chuckle at seeing his 2000 year old pet rabbit (as in 2000 years passed in game time) with a ridiculous 88 feats. (http://mixednuts1kg.blog.fc2.com/blog-category-3.html - use ctrl f ペットフィート大量取得編 and scroll down to the pictures).

[Anonymous No.]

>>21827962
thats a old ass rabit

also cute female defender sprite

[Anonymous No.]

>>21827989
Another silly instance of "Omake has no concept of caps".
He was experimenting with the effectiveness of blessed curaria, which doesn't just add stats, it also recovers potential. For a pet this effectively keeps their potentials at 400% while steadily boosting their stats up. When it's kumiromi (or inari) blessed, it hits every core stat.

So he dominated a little girl, sent her out into the wilds after tossing 1k kumiromi curarias into her backpack, and cast his Hero spell on her. His Hero spell lasts for 80k turns, adds 10k to str and dex. Then he set her loose into the wild, went into his time machine for 10 minutes (about 1 year in game time)

She came back with a +295 pair of boots and ate 97 curaria. Net increase in 50 in all stats. 30k turns of Hero used.

Literally the most terrifying Isekai story. Some rando Japanese man shows up, mind controls you, and turns you into the strongest little girl known to the world. Then he tells you to "DO THING" while he disappears off into his shelter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21828046
>Literally the most terrifying Isekai story
you mean lewdest

[Anonymous No.]

>>21828055
My Little Girl can't be this Buff

[Anonymous No.]

Oomsest takes it even farther, thanks to red zombies and the gerobug.

Guide:
http://blog.livedoor.jp/akurchin/archives/8539534.html


Bunch of other changes too, there's even a recent test build that changes the 2k natural stat limit to 9999 once you get the void junkie title.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any windows program to rebind my keys? i literally cant use Q or G and those are important for this game

[Anonymous No.]

>>21828362
https://www.autohotkey.com/

[Anonymous No.]

>>21827850
This series of posts is very informative, thanks for posting. I like how it's completely broken like in Morrowind

[Anonymous No.]

>>21828520
Difference being morrowind is designed with fair stats in mind,elona superbosses force you to abuse some things or never be able to beat them

[Anonymous No.]

>>21828544

[Anonymous No.]

>>21828595
Literally just magic his ass

[Anonymous No.]

Should I save all my hero cheese/etc until I've maxed out my AP rewards? Wiki says it goes up to 300 but I'm not sure if that's in rewards or based on your total life

[Anonymous No.]

>>21828735
Total life, save 'em.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21828544
That'd be omake only then, In E+ you can beat the inner gods after simple void grinding (for a long time) and buffing yourself during the fight. Like the guy that trained his single pet to melee solo them a year or two ago, no meteor spam required

[Anonymous No.]

>>21828705
>85% Reflect

[Anonymous No.]

>>21828979
Sadly, the most difficult bosses in Omake aren't the Void Gods lol.

[Anonymous No.]

How does one go about grinding/looking for material kits? Bitch is hard to find for me. Any ideas?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21828046
I want to try this, sounds fun as fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

How does gauge even work? It feels like enemies gain gauge every turn no matter what whilst I lose gauge if I dont attack.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21829540
For certain rare things like that, you don't so much as go looking for them. You grab every one you find. You'll probably need to wait for awhile before they're common.

If you're desperate you can get them from souvenir vendors pretty reliable, at like 10x the price. You only need them for godly items and living items, so save them for just those.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21829729
Hmm so that's that then. Welp guess I better search any dungeon I see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21826869
Link?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21826869
Holy shit anon you just made my entire year, I can't believe he's back!

Do you know what happened before?
Why he killed his pixiv and why he's back or anything?

I wish he'd revive his other pixiv though, I don't know if I managed to save all there was.

Now if Siro would also be back it'd be great

>>21829784
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=14347466
That seems to be his new pixiv

[Anonymous No.]

>>21829769
Assuming you're on E+, you might as well just map out the most consistent route for all the souvenir shops, buy up every material kit you can get, then convert them with Garok. Superior material scrolls are a lot easier to find than material kits, and low tier material kits are pretty cheap as long as your souvenir shops are well invested.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21830148
Probably to avoid attention

[Anonymous No.]

>>21830148
My little black angel can't be this smug!

[Anonymous No.]

>>21830345
when her goddess parades around naked yes she can

[Anonymous No.]

what is the AP cap? i am worried i might not be able to get all the life/speed/passives/skills i really want

[Anonymous No.]

I decided to reopen Elona after over an year and this appear to me when I try to load my save. Does someone know what this means?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21830653
80k-90k depending on your starting ini.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any difference between a godly living weapon and a regular one?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21831635
>godly living weapon
Wait, what? Since when is that possible?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21831744
Afaik since ever, just rarer than a regular artifact level living weapon.
>>21831635
The difference is basically the same between an artifact and godly tier weapon, meaning it probably having an invoke or extra attribute such as the "It protects you from thieves" one.
If I'm remembering things right.

[Anonymous No.]

Pity i couldn't find the GBA or IOS version of final fantasy 6 waitress sprite,this will have to do for now for my slut file

[Anonymous No.]

>>21831635
The power of the enchantment added with the living weapon bit will (probably) be stronger. It doesn't matter for that one, since "it protects you from thieves" doesn't have an enchantment power, but it would help for something like resistances, or elemental damage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21831635
There is something inherently AMERICAN about a heavy machine gun that protects you from thieves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21832075
Spoke too soon,hour well spent

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>>21832075
Soul
>>21832467
Souless

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>>21830844
An internal error occured.
It's a default error message, literally could be anything from a missing dependency to version conflict.

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>>21832576
>nigger meme
Gay.

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone post the elona keyboard image from 2 threads ago i believe? was the OP picture

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>>21833085

[Anonymous No.]

What is with Sheena, anyway, and why does everyone talk about her ass?
Just wondering if there's some joke I'm missing.

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>>21833272
You can bounce a quarter off of it.

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>>21833272
It's tough enough to pulverize a rock in one blow

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>>21833272
Everybody loves Sheena's ass, are you gay?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21833272
You may have caught the faggotry. Spend the next etherwind admiring her ass may help.

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>>21829540
>How does one go about grinding/looking for material kits? Bitch is hard to find for me. Any ideas?
In Omake: buy them from wandering vendors on the overworld.
In Plus: buy a crappy material kit from the souvenir vendor in Larna, get a scroll of superior material and a bronze coin, and go to Miral and Garok's workshop. Have Garok change the kit into the material you want. If he doesn't offer that material, check back tomorrow.

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>>21827612
Thanks!

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>>21828735
Eating hero cheese will make raising life with AP more expensive, and they'll ultimately be wasted when you hit 300. It might be better to hold on to them for now. The ascetic feats, on the other hand, are treated like you're wearing life-raising equipment so you're safe to pick those up early.

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>>21829200
There's something stronger than Death Ehekatl?

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>>21834226
The wiki now has which materials appear on which days.

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>>21830506
I wish she would parade around naked

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>>21834361
Arasiel and the black angel evolution do that.

[Anonymous No.]

Wow. This game is literally UNPLAYABLE without the wiki, nice!

[Anonymous No.]

>>21834598
You are a brainlet, nice!

[Anonymous No.]

https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:30910?useskin=oasis
Partial changelog for 1.92
>Swapped Quick Use special action with a new, milder special action.
>Added upper and lower caps to the number of moves an NPC can make based on their speed relative to the player character's.
>They can now only move at most 20 times per turn the player makes (even if they have 100 times the player character's Speed), or at least 1 time out of every 20 player turns.

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>>21836488
>The slow digestion feat will now work only when satiety drops to Hungry.
But why though? Despite how much it is memed, it wasn't that hard to work around it even when shoving down herbs.

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>>21836501
I don't know, but I like it. Well, I don't mind it at least.
Would definitely like it if the satiety drain was made EXTRA slow at hungry, to balance it out to match beforehand. Because then it would be a definite positive, by just changing the curve; allowing the player to eat more often when desired and have starvation still be slowed as usual.

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>>21836800
That would be the best way, though I don't have confidence until we see it in action that Ano thought it through that much.

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>>21834361
Just summon her in a populated town,then watch a drunk moron piss her off and massacre everyone

[Anonymous No.]

I didn't touch + for a while.
Can you craft guns now ?

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>>21837717
Yea you need to take an existing piece of equipment (gun in this case) and some materium (craft with tool)+stardust (duplicate uniques become stardust), and can craft multiple of that type of item out of that. So you can take a useless paper machine gun and have several chances to make a godly living diamond one out of it

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>>21837775
That's nice, thanks anon

[Anonymous No.]

>dump ores/foods/slaves into my starter dog, funded by cargo runs
>less than an hour later, he's already stronger than me with maxed out potentials
pet growth rates are disgusting. i might actually beat the first act before losing interest this time

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>>21838543
I mean. If you have even a barely competent team of pets you can clear act 1 easy peasy.
My first act 1 clear was a team of 4 unoptimized level 29-30 pets plus myself at level like 25.

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>>21838650
it's less a matter of difficulty for me, rather a matter of tedium. as i understand it, before you gain access to potential potions, the usual route for getting stats on your character is to sit around grinding for herbs and then eating them in one form or another. frankly it's boring as fuck and i'd rather rely on bed potential

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>>21838695
....I never even managed to GROW an herb before I cleared act 1 with that team. Or potential potions for that matter.
All I did was run around like an idiot clearing dungeons for ores to give pets and using plat on myself, equiped with random static artifacts. And that was as a tourist.
I could have probably done it more efficiently/quickly, but like you pointed out that is super dull and traits.

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>>21838742
>Never bother to wear clothing
>get angry when people stare at your naked form
glad mani dumped that whore

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>>21838695
>before you gain access to potential potions, the usual route for getting stats on your character is to sit around grinding for herbs and then eating them
That's wrong mate, herbs are far harder to get than potential potions. In order to get a steady supply of herbs you need the act 2 kumiromi statue, otherwise you are limited to a scant few seeds from harvest time (very low chance) and a couple static ones as rewards which will die on your farm in no time. On the other hand in order to get a steady supply of potential potions you just need a bunch of money which is easier than ever to attain. In fact there is a world of potential in optimizing (money gain in) the early game so that you can clear act 1 in a matter of hours, from mass tailoring to cargo runs. Now my record for clearing act 1 (and in the process gaining access to pots and herbs/getting adequate stats) is around 18 hours, but in doing so I learned that my methods are so poor that it's likely possible to do it in half the time. So if you think getting to that point is tedious I'd say sure you can have that opinion, but it's likely a result of your game knowledge being lacking

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>>21838838
Care to share some of those methods?

Sounds interesting

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>>21834317
On older versions, the Abyss Lord Noden's (from Lovecraft) spamming mechanics were ridiculous (Because summon spell builds, splitter builds are actually pretty ridiculous in terms of how rapidly they can flood the map). The problem isn't so much the Abyss Lord himself because he isn't supposed to move, but he can summon "any" unique monster and Omake has uniques that also summon themselves, creating a fiasco situation.

This was "unique" to Omake, because in Vanilla, you didn't have summoners that could summon other summoners. Kings were intended to only summon non King Pieces, and then in Omake Queens with their Summon Monster spam that could *sometimes* trigger still wouldn't create other summoners. Omake decided to change this by introducing monsters that would intentionally summon others - generally the first one you'd encounter is the level 25 Eleanoin, who basically only attacks and uses a special Summon Monster spell that summoned a new version of herself. That new version had the exact same abilities, which allows her to flood an entire dungeon floor with copies of herself because she doesn't really do anything other than that and attack.

At low levels this wasn't much of an issue, and the default Abyss Lord isn't all that hard stat wise. But then it seems that Uniques *can* show up in the Void, scaled up. And similarly, their summons are scaled as well. This is where things get relatively unknown, because no one really knows what the limit of Abyss Lord's "Summon Unique" is, and a lot of Omake's Uniques are designed to be summoners.
As a balance "check", they gave Abyss Lord extra actions, like self healing, a secondary Summon Monster ability, a range of spells, etc. So he wouldn't just sit there and spam "Summon Unique" all day long. Unfortunately this makes him difficult to test effectively.

Some of the dangerous Uniques that he *should* be able to summon are as follows:
Eleanoins (Self Summoning), Perytons (Self Summoning), Diffusion Bombs (Bomb Rocks that summon other bomb rocks)
Bug Lord (Summon Undead), Pure Gold Ring (Summon Monster, Summon Dragon), Death Angel (Summon Monster), Spaghetti Monster (Summon Monster), Hypnos (Summon Monster), Kirin (Summon Monster), Gelugon (Summon Monster), Tiamat (Summon Dragon), Thoth Amon (Summon Monster)

There are also a set of monsters, which, if he can summon (they are technically in the pool of Uniques), hits absolute retard potential.
Cyaegha (Summon Monster/Word of Death/Teleport), Order Unicorn (Summon Dragon/Summon Unique/Critical Heal/Teleport), Anatan (Cheer/also depends if she has her feats as a monster or not, but she comes with random feats, which can lead to abilities like "auto revives on death, 100% crit penetration, increased crit damage, etc.), Kana (Healing Hand), Mao (Word of Death), Vampire Lord (Drain Life/Curse Word/Word of Death), Heartless Sister (Her Wave Motion Cannon special action is really peculiar - it's supposed to outright hit for 50% of the target's hp, but the enemy AI has "100%" accuracy whereas her pet version can miss....and she also happens to be a Word of Death caster).
At cap levels the Word of Death shouldn't be much of an issue, but when a battle gets chaotic, Word of Death gets pretty annoying.

"Thankfully" because Uniques are so rare, finding a specific one takes extremely long in the Void, even if you do nothing but run deeper and deeper for the achievement. But unfortunately this also makes testing them difficult, because it's unclear whether your own Summon Unique ability (the one you get from Order Unicorn) draws from the same pool, whether that pool is supposed to have weighted probabilities, and whether you can end up summoning the monsters from the second set. (Of course, some of these monsters are generated with gear...and gear in Omake scales to Void level)

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>>21838838
admittedly my understanding of this game is antiquated at best. in vanilla elona seeds were much easier to come by (new kumiromi passive sucks incalculable amounts of cock per second), thus herbs were usually accessible before potions of potential were (45k for a farm is far cheaper than the vanilla investing mechanic). i'm glad that E+ seems to have provided us with alternatives

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>>21838908
Hey i find new kumi passive nice for spaming my instruments,fishing and cooking

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>>21838857
You fill your equipment slots and trade for some basic gear with adventurers, grab a couple pets to speed things up and you aim for being able to survive the lowest danger level dungeons. Grabbing the static medals, earning some bronze coins in Yowyn and going to grab a medal reward+upgrade your cart to do cargo routes is a good idea as well. You can run through the Vernis quests and grab the gene machine in Kapul while you're at it, until the first Nefia Fever. At that point is your chance to make big bank, gathering materials is everything. I've been able to make batches of ~300 decorated clothings from a single fever, which translates to hundreds of thousands of gold. As you earn and spend more gold, earning more only becomes easier as your negotiation skyrockets (remember to keep potential up), the items from invested merchants make your power leap and your options increase and cargo merchants have more and more goods and gold. I think the cargo system is severely underestimated. Yacatect is my choice of first god for this, given the plat and negotiation boosts.

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>>21838930
Mind sharing your best cargo routes?
I have been just buying mambo, running to the towns getting plat, selling the mambo in Noyel, then buying Christmas trees and reading a return scroll since my house is next to Kapul.
Has gotten me almost a million reasonably quickly, but curious if there are better options.

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>eloscummer dropbox link is restricted
what the fuck. now i gotta scum for wishes manually

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>>21838975
I've just gone from Palmia->Yowyn->Vernis without giving it a second thought, and even forgot to trade cargo most of the time while doing other things. Part of what's wrong with my way of clearing act 1 I think is that I don't spend ENOUGH time cargo trading, and that while Nefia Fever gets you big bucks it's random and it could occur before you're even ready to dungeon dive. I also don't know whether it could be more time efficient to aim for e.g. a pot of fusion recipe instead of mass crafting clothes from materials, and how much of the time spent powering up pets is really necessary. Of course playing optimally is far from mandatory, this is partly out of curiosity and mostly because I play on permadeath, and after you lose everything a couple times you start trying to get back to where you were faster and faster

[Anonymous No.]

As a pianist,do i keep resetting if my starter piano is too heavy or just borrow the lute from lumiest graveyard?

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>>21839028
Ah. I was just curious about what cargos sold best honestly.
If I should keep doing the Mambo/Tree trade since I know it works, or do larger amounts of less big payouts all across the map to give cargo vendors time to refill their gold.
I only have a limit of 180s in my cart and I already have to buy cargo from Kapul before they even have enough gold to buy Christmas trees from me.

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>>21839098
The piano helps train weigth lifting, and ensemble doesn't need instruments

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>>21839098
Going through character creation all over again takes way too much time, just go use that lute and soon enough you can buy a better instrument

[Anonymous No.]

Are laser guns a viable build? i can just pretend they are magic bolts because i am too stupid to make a wizard in this game

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>>21839129
they do decent damage and have no range falloff (technically they do past 7 tiles, but you cant see past 7 tiles anyway), so they're a solid option for ranged combat

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>>21839129
>Too stupid to make a wizard
Nigga being a wizard is easy as fuck.
>Read books
>Can't read book? Train literacy and read babby books
>Divine wisdom *might* help you with being too retarded to read that book
>Cast

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>>21839306
>Stocks
i am literally retarded anon,that thing limits what i can do in a certain timeframe unlike just smashing things without worrying about weapon uses or durability

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>>21839347
You should have so many fucking stocks that if you run out is because you have not found a book in years

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>>21838975
>>21839028
>>21839102
Ok, if the data of this spreadsheet linked on the wiki is correct at all, then the biggest payouts for me to drop off cargo on my normal route (going from Port Kapul to Noyel then returning back to Kapul) are:
>Manboo from Kapul to Yowyn
>Graves from Yowyn to Noyel
>Christmas trees from Noyel to Port Kapul

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>>21839695
It's correct, but prices won't be exactly what the spreadsheet says as there's a little rng in the prices.

[Anonymous No.]

Did they change the requirements for unlocking Reading Party? I got 40 points in Learning and levelled up after and it's not showing up in my Wide Party Action. Playing on Elona+Custom-G 1.8

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>>21840161
Not learning, literacy.

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>>21838771
She got mad because Mani told her 'not to overdo it, old lady'. Nothing to do with lack of clothing.

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>>21840172
Doh. Thanks for the help

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>>21840184
I like how kumi yandere tendency is ten times more creepy than lulwy dominatrix vibe

[Anonymous No.]

>find first ever craft repair kit
>excited to use it on my [4,1] scale SLB
>nothing happens
I don't know how I screwed up, but I can tell it was something retarded.

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>>21840500
That means that for normal quality scale seven league boots, the maximum dice it can get is [4,1], which shows that the range of possible values is quite low. Better materials have bigger ranges. Body armor has higher defensive numbers to begin with, so would have been a better choice to maximize the dice. Always get your piece of gear to the best possible material first, so in armor that would be either dragonscale or adamantium (~10 change material scrolls, when cycling through materials after griffon scale you need a blessed scroll or it will skip right over the good stuff back to zylon).

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>>21840500
Don't worry about it too much. Moyer in noyel sells them pretty reliably. But, yeah, getting good materials/gear types/enhance levels is much better early on.

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>>21836501
>But why though? Despite how much it is memed, it wasn't that hard to work around it even when shoving down herbs.
Why not? It makes those feats completely beneficial instead of trading away character growth speed for the sake of convenience. It's not like juere and goblin are especially strong races in the first place.

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>>21840500
The problem is that they're made of scale and are presumably good or great quality. Craft repair kits give you the best possible stats (as in accuracy, damage, DV, and PV) for the item you use them on. Normal quality scale 7LB apparently can't do any better than [4,1].
You want to craft repair kit your items after changing them to a powerful material, and ideally after also changing them to the strongest item of their type. The ideal scenario is to equip update your 7lb into composite boots or armored boots for better PV (this shouldn't remove their seven league effect) and then use an adamantium kit on them for even more PV, and then finally use a craft repair kit on them to get the highest PV they can possibly have.

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>>21841643
Some updates ago it was changed so that innate equipment type attributes *are* removed on equip update, so it will not keep the 7LB effect

[Anonymous No.]

finally got my living laser gun, what upgrades should I get on it if I just plan on beating the 3 acts and ignore super-endgame stuff like godkilling? I heard magic falls off quickly because of resistances becoming common

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>>21842042
If you're just doing acts you might as well just go for magic damage, stack marksman/crit/pierce/anti God, etc. Doesn't really matter since act 3 isn't actually all that bad, and you don't actually hit the point where shooting at things would get tedious.

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>>21842020

When?

Last I checked it still keeps the innate it started with and doesn't get any new ones.

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>>21842020
>>21842337
I tested it out on my own armor and I was mistaken, armor keeps the first innate. My bad. I don't know where I got this idea from, maybe I misremembered not being able to give an item
a new intrinsic as not conserving the old one.

[Anonymous No.]

What is this?

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>>21842880
Not seen that before. What version?
>>21842042
Remember to make it ether or adamantium for more damage. Some type of elemental damage is best, go for magic damage if you are lazy and don't want to debuff everything you fight for maximum damage. Everything else like pierce, resistances, etc should go on your amour from artifact fusion.
If you want a weapon specifically for godslaying (which I know you said you don't but other people might use this information) then stacking just "inflicts massive damage to gods" would be best. In E+ it is actually a solid enchantment, the effect listed on the wiki is outdated.

[Anonymous No.]

Should I give my little girl a living weapon or should I just let her stick with the Storm Bringer/Mournblade meme combo? She is currently in her 250s stats wose

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>>21842968
1.90.4 customg

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>>21842880
Flavor text only. Pretty sure it's explained in a readme somewhere.

[Anonymous No.]

How do I amass seeds for farming? fairy barely puts out and getting them via harvest time is also very tedious

[Anonymous No.]

>>21843012
Btw I'm playing on the latest version of custom-g

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>>21842880
It's just fluff.
whenever you kill someone with a Martial Arts gauge attack it pauses the game and says 'You are already dead' in the log in Japanese or English. The enemy doesn't die onscreen until you hit enter to continue and end the pause.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21843075
Nice!

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>>21843012
Have you tried reading the wiki?

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>>21843131
Yes and I have read some outdated power farming guide (doesn't work; fairy barely gives shit now). So far it seems like Harvest quests are the fastest way to accrue seeds with fairy feeding as a supplement.

[Anonymous No.]

How many little sisters are too many?

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any advantage between using a heavy sword,lance,axe,etc?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21842968
>If you want a weapon specifically for godslaying (which I know you said you don't but other people might use this information) then stacking just "inflicts massive damage to gods" would be best.
Even if it's just the Acts, Act 3 has enough God type opponents to make it worthwhile.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21843494
Stack Kumiromi Statues.

The only method that's faster is map scumming, and that's just outright broken.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21842042
If you want to use it as your main weapon, pump it full of magic element damage and nothing else. If you're mostly a caster or melee fighter, use it to fill holes in your elemental resistances and maybe give it just a bit of magic damage.

If you have any accuracy problems with it, change its material to rubynus. Otherwise make it into adamantium. After that use a craft repair kit on it.

>>21844863
>Even if it's just the Acts, Act 3 has enough God type opponents to make it worthwhile.
This is good advice, but my understanding is that "massive damage to x" enchantments add 50% more damage no matter how many #s you have. So put exactly one level of massive damage to gods into your living weapons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21842974
A living weapon is way more powerful than SB/MB could ever hope to be. Raising a living weapon is a little bit more work but it's worth it.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm thinking about using the Diablo as my main weapon and using artifact fusion to fill it full of magic damage. Any opinions on whether the time stop effect would be worth losing the 100% pierce and extra magic damage I could get from a godly/living lightsaber?
Obviously the ideal is a godly or living lightsaber with time stop but I don't know if I want to spend that much time and stardust on equip making.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21845280
>"massive damage to x" enchantments add 50% more damage no matter how many #s you have.
See >>21842968 , the wiki entry on that enchant is outdated. I'll update it at some point soon (probably).

[Anonymous No.]

is Elements eyes worth the small medal investment?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21844927
Map scumming?
Teach me these dark arts

[Anonymous No.]

>>21843972
However many completely fills your Ally list. Go turn at least most of them in.
You always want room to get more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21845742
The slime quest cave in vernis has herbs and herb seeds in it, so some people cheat and reload fresh copies of that map. You can also save the map file after you've changed it yourself, say after dropping wish rods or hero cheese. You'd save it, pick them up, then copy the save back for doubled items.I don't really see the point of that, just play in purge difficulty with wizard mode if you wanna do that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21845742
>>21845864
If you're going to use map scumming for seeds, normally you use the Truce Grounds. 4 fixed herb seeds, and small medals on top of it. Slime Cave isn't effective for seeds because the seeds are fixed behind a horde of monsters and it takes much longer to go through it, especially if you're doing it early on and you don't have much in the way of fighting capacity.

Slime Cave is normally just for herb farming straight up, since the three herbs (morgia, stomafilla and curaria) are generated in the opening passage and you can easily extract and repeat - even add in the one medal just before the long corridor if you feel like it for whatever reason. In Omake it's also the easiest place to start blacksmithing, but Omake has Seed Baths, and that's more efficient than map scumming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21845317
I want to know this as well.
I like diablo quite a bit, and was curious how badly I would be gimping myself sticking with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21846539
According the wiki the damage formula for pierce is roughly damage * 100 / (100 + pv ( pierce / 150)).

So, in practice, pierce basically multiplies damage. Having a pierce of 100% means doing 2.5x the damage of no pierce. 50% pierce is ~1.4x the damage of no pierce. In my experience this seems to be pretty accurate.

[Anonymous No.]

What is are some relatively easily obtainable pets that already have negotiation off the bat?
I already have a thieves guild memeber monster balled, but I am trying to find a somewhat decent shopkeeper that is also strange to imagine running a shop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21847388
If you already have a Thieves Guild Member you might as well stick with them, most of the "effective" shopkeepers that come with negotiation in E+ are not relatively easy to obtain (as in they're higher level and need to be found/captured, like the Mra or Spaghetti Monster).

[Anonymous No.]

>>21847388
I usually just use a younger sister and a ton of training, but you could worship ehekatl and get a black cat, or capture a pudding spirit from puppy cave or using the summon spirit spell.

Or you could use whatever you want and just gene engineer. I'm pretty sure public entertainer gives Negotiation for cheap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21847388
I think starting negotiation matters very little, you just need to use bronze coins in the shop menu every once in a while. I always pick a random non-party pet who starts with no or single digit negotiation+CHA like mad scientist or a little girl, but in no time they reach 100 in both

[Anonymous No.]

>>21844167
Twohand style directly adds damage and needs one hand free and over 4.0s weight. iirc heavier weapon weight also means stronger crits, up to 100s but that's not practical early on due to encumbrance

[Anonymous No.]

How is the spell power of summon monster determined when NPCs use it? I know it's mostly random, but the range goes up with spell level according to the wiki. I'm asking because deep in the void, a summoner could summon a monster way above its level, and because of void depth that monster's level would be multiplied several times resulting in something so ungodly strong it kills you before you can even react.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21848138
The summoned monsters are the same strength they would be if the generated normally. So, even in the void you'll only get them at normal void strength.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21848159
I know. Let me explain what I meant: normal void strength at for example floor 250 would mean 5 * (Lv + 50). So if a eulderna summonknight (normal lv 60 / void lv=550) managed to summon a Nyarlathotep (normal lv 180), that thing's level would be 1150 with stats to match. So keeping that and the void summonknight's elevated stats in mind, what determines the range of summonable monsters?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21848114
>up to 100s
Pretty sure that crit damage bonus caps at like either 180s or 380s, for 3x damage crits.

And at the other end of weight, <1s is max crit CHANCE from it.
Minimum chance from weight is only 4s and that's not too bad anyway (It's generally default/expected). Especially with crazy heavy weight to make those less frequent crits hit super hard, so whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21848221
Why either 180 or 380? I can't find any info on this on the wiki except in 1.20 changelog which says it's ''dependent on twice the weight of the weapon''. How much % more damage per stone of weight? Also it says the multiplier is reduced if total equipment weight is over 15s, does that include the weapon itself?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21848263
I'm only referring to crits, not 2h damage boost as a whole.
As such, crit info can be found on the page for Eye of Mind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21848208
It's probably pretty close to spell level -> monster level, so pretty much anything in the void that can summon monsters will be able to summon anything. I've had chaos serpents summoned on me before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21848273
That's fucked up, that would mean pretty much any void floor past 200 becomes a certain death trap as soon as you hit the floor digits where summoners start appearing, even if you could handle any usual monster of that depth. It would follow that you need to be far stronger than expected to survive from that point onwards

[Anonymous No.]

>>21848321
Well, with the void you're pretty much either rushing the staircase for progression, or spamming meteor for levels/ap, so it's not so bad in practice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21848321
Typically at that point you're either running a kill party or you're already nearing cap. And considering E+'s Void is already nerfed in difficulty, it's not really all that bad in practice.

[Anonymous No.]

>Always wanted to clear the game solo
>hit a brick wall in act 2 and start making a pet carry me
Every time,how do i motivate myself?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21849447
In act 2 you have all the means available to make yourself as strong as your pet, except you can't buy 800 speed with AP yet.
Just get into herb farming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21849447
Your problem sounds like you're just rushing through Act 1 without completing the foundation. Normally Act 1 takes much longer than Act 2 and the real slowdown doesn't happen until Act 3.