Elona General

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Old Thread >>21618246

>New? Start here:
https://pastebin.com/FDv2ATAa

>Mods:
https://pastebin.com/5ja03yuf

>E+ Changelogs:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29

>Elona Custom Release Thread:
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:29851

>Elona+ Custom-G Release Thread:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:29336

>Omake Overhaul English Release Thread:
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:28909

>Current Version:
Elona+ 1.90 (2019-06-0)
Elona Omake Overhaul EN (2019-06-17)
>Latest Custom:
E+C 1.89.3 (2019-06-02)
Elona+ Custom-G 1.89.3.1 (2019-06-03)
Omake Overhaul EN Hack final release (2018-12-14)


Errors? Set the compatibility of the .exe to Windows 7.
Using GIMP to create a sprite or PCC? Select "do not write color space" and save it as a 24-bit BMP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21686848
The range-specified command set have preserve target as entity (both lines)
The "player HP > 10%" commands were an attempt to circumvent the bug as they don't preserve target, because if all the above failed (ergo something out of range is the target) then the intent was that it would check the player's HP and be forced to attack a valid target in range with the spacts in question. It doesn't work though, it seems that if the pet decides it wants to attack something on the other side of the map it just won't do any action at all until said target is in range.

And again, my issue isn't the error messages. It's the fact that my pet does nothing in big rooms.

>>21687710
Attacking things works pretty inconsistently for me. I've sat at range 1 and killed things over the course of 15 ice bolts while my pet did nothing.

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>>21689996
Perhaps use Directive to change them from onslaught to intercept. Should make them target closer enemies.

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>>21689996
>because if all the above failed (ergo something out of range is the target) then the intent was that it would check the player's HP and be forced to attack a valid target in range with the spacts in question
Well that doesn't exactly work at all, because it only checks the current target.

Preserve Target As Entity just makes the action target the Entity. Mostly for stuff like using heals/buffs on the player.
Having it on when using Target as the Entity does nothing.
It doesn't force it target the SAME target, that already happens. And having it off won't make it magically target a different target.
There is NO Custom AI option to rotate targets.

So once it fails the distance check, it can't do either ability. Both because that distance<=4 evaluates true to skip the line, and because they won't work farther away.
But you still have it attempting to do that ability; against the same target since having PEAT off doesn't change that.

So for ANYTHING over 4 squares away it will just be confused trying to distant attack. Never falling back to lightning bolt because it can never get that far as the two lines before it always evaluate true.

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>>21689866
Updated the pastebin with the 'What to play' descriptions from the previous thread slightly edited by myself based on the back and forth that was had.
Threw it into the FAQ with a note at the very top of the pastebin to go there since it seems most people don't read past the first links.
Would appreciate if some anons would look at it to see if it is newb friendly enough.
Also updated the mod pastebin with the new official beautify version.

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>>21690059
Oh I see now, I wasn't entirely sure how pet targeting/preserve entity worked so I was putzing around trying to find something that stuck. In any case, hopefully >>21690052 will make them prioritize closer targets since ideally they won't be using magic over their weapons at all.

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What do I wish for in omake /jp/ros?

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>>21690192
Better graphics（笑）

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>>21690192
I don't know much about omake, but slb is probably still decent for an early wish.

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>>21690221
Does anyone have an old version of +, like the really old versions before Ano had to stretch out the spritesheet to allow for more mobs? I was thinking you could just take that and replace Omake's character.bmp with some minor alterations so that the endgame god monsters are in the proper positions.

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>Hermit crab evolves into homeless crab
>Homeless crab evolves into landlord crab

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>>21690251
Would probably be easier just to compare 1.90's assets as is against Vanilla and just replace what got changed with what matches. One by one.
Better than trying to track down an outdated version that may not even include all changes.

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>>21690192
Omake's stronger feats make secret experiences of kumiromi a solid choice.
Wishing for a deed of dungeon is the only way to start your own town.

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>>21690070
Looks good, your version comparisons are a clear improvement on the ones I posted.

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Hey guys does anyone want a character from elona similar to pic related? It doesn't have to be yukkuri tho. I make it from sheep wool.

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>Rehmido
>Zeome
Who do I have to bother to get this fixed?

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>>21690910
Are you playing regular Custom?
It's already fixed in Custom-G. Also other stuff like
>Some typos have been fixed (e.g. "Little Girl" instead of "Little Sister"), and I tried to make names more consistent. (Eye of Eternal Darkness->Origin of Vice, Vessel->Bethel, Ylva->Irva, Rehmido->Remido... I didn't change any instance of "Rehm-Ido" of course, just made the dungeon only have one name.)

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>>21690760
That is incredably cute anon, do you have any more?

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Looking through Custom's source there's only one entry for "Upon killing Zeome" there too.
Regular plus is missing some translations.

Also, 1.90's changelog has
>Added English translations to some text files.
So I don't know if someone's actually working with Ano to unfuck some Engrish at all. That would be pretty neat. But also kind of unlikely.

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>>21690934
Yes, just custom. Now you mention it, I'm even playing an out-dated version. I got carried away.

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>>21690968
How old?
From the versions I have on hand, it was fixed somewhere between 1.73 and 1.87.

We have up to 1.89.3(.1) as far as Custom(-G) goes, and 1.90 for regular plus.
If you need help downloading 1.89.3.1 I can mirror that. Since BloodyShade's mirror seems to be working slowly and timing out (POSSIBLY a good sign, since it happens sometimes around Custom updates, but also randomly otherwise so yeah)

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>>21690760
Those are great, how long have you been making them for?
I'd like to see Kumi

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>>21691015
1.77.1
I have 1.90 downloaded, I just didn't expect custom to take so long to be updated. It can't be helped.

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>>21690964
Thanks!
That's all I've got. I also got a glass case with tewi head on it and some cat/dog beds but they are not really related.
>>21691031
Yep Kumi would be fan to make. They both took me couple days I think. Like 6 hours per day.

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Which feats are good in plus? Would it be a waste to take the speed feats before reaching 800, or are they treated as an external boost, like speed-increasing equipment?

Thread of innervation seems ridiculously strong so far.

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>>21691221
How do you make these doll things? Do you have a pet sheep that you get your wool from?

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>>21690760
It's so simple I don't even know if it would be worth doing, but I'd love to see a plush/wool military Putit.
Either way the ones you have are super cute. Good work!

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>>21691270
Wish I had. I buy it from country people and at the local DYI shop sometimes. It's called wool felting, basically there's 2 techniques. First called needle felting you stab wool with special needle that make's wool fibers lock and mat together and form an object that way. Second one called wet felting and with this you need to make the wool wet and soapy and then rub it so the wool fibers mat together. For example I've made all 3 hats with wet techniques and the rest with needle felting because it's hard to make something flat like hat by stabbing it.

>>21691414
Thanks! I think I may try to do one right now. I'll post it later if I would be able to make something decent.

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>>21691262
>Which feats are good in plus?
Usually the ones that grant special actions. Spacts don't scale well, but they have good utility. Use Dancing Wire to yank an enemy into range to be instagibbed by your little girl, or use Fire Breath's Gauge Release to overheal yourself. And if you ever go into Awoken Nefia, you'll want Gravity Accel to deal with the "permanent gravity and traps everywhere" floors.

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>>21691262
Even though I like the speed feats for early game, it would be a waste to take them. You only get a few feats at that point after all. Magical Plants allows for a screenwide poison attack at 30 gardening and Gravity Accel gives a strong AOE speed buff that stacks with other speed buffs, I'd say these and other active abilities are a far better choice than speed.

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toto

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Look at my new friend. I'm going to name her Cinnamon

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>>21693086
Cute name!

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>>21693296
She didn't learn platinum song like the wiki said and now I'm confused

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>>21694779
Do the Custom AI move reinitialize thing.

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>>21694829
Thanks anon, love you

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>>21691414
Sorry for long response.
To tell the truth I don't like how I've made it at all but want to share anyway.
I also put it on ebay if someone wants it.

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>>21696383

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>>21691617
>>21691628
Thanks for the advice, here's what I'm thinking for the 13 feats I get naturally:
Hypnotism
Exorcist
Dimensional Move
Strings Assassin
Gravity Control
Knowledge of Magical Plants
Kokou
Distance Runner x3
Agile x2
Magical Gene x3

And then when I get some miromis I'll finish off the magical gene tree. Is sexy dance worth using over ensemble, preach, and instruments?

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>>21696408
Whoops, that's 15. Magical Gene x1.

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>>21696408
>taking stat improving feats in E+
>ever
They're simply not worth it.

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>>21696475
They are once you finally exhaust every other feat, hundreds of levels and kumiromi stuff later.

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>>21696483
Yes, but that list is lacking quite a few feats granting you spacts or non-stat bonuses..

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>>21696514
Oh I wasn't saying that list is optimal, just that the "not worth it EVER" is technically wrong.
>>21696408
Stats stuff is dead last. Pretty much all spacts and resistances come before them.
Even acts you'll barely use and just want to mess with, or resistances you have almost covered by gear.

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>>21696408
>Is sexy dance worth using over ensemble, preach, and instruments?
Ensemble takes longer, but has more oomph. Sexy dance is the opposite, fast but weak. Different tools for different jobs.

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I am seriously finding it hard to stay with positive karma,killing anyone and just taking their stuff is too easy

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>>21696383
>>21696389
I think it is still nice anon.
Thanks for taking the silly request of mine at all!

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>>21696700
Duelling gloves.
You also get a big karma boosts when you hand in stray cats.

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>>21696753
i meant traveling vendors mostly and character card

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>>21696752
No problem!

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>>21696700
That's technically okay. You'll eventually have enough incognito stocks to do most anything, guards are easy to kill off or teleport away, higher taxes are still quite negligible. So having really low karma isn't exactly a large problem.

I don't really feel the need to steal from and kill everything. Like I only ever pickpocket valuable things, and only really kill new uniques and all big daddies.
So that's enough to keep up karma just from doing all town jobs I feel like, that bury corpse random thing, and quite rarely turning in some of my large stock of stray cats from balls or my discarded ranch nearby.
Game's pretty well balanced for that, it seems.

A note for fun though. Go kill a guard, grab its meat, and eat it right in front of another guard before killing and eating that one. Watching karma plummet from that is pretty cool.

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>>21696383
>>21696389
I'll treasure it always

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>>21697062
Woah that was too sweet! I'll ship it as soon as I can!
Hope little military putit's flight is gonna be fine!

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>>21697184
No problem anon, I've always wanted to own a poster or plush from Elona but given the obscurity I haven't stumbled upon any. So I'm glad to have the chance.

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>>21697208
Got me thinking, I want to learn 3D modeling as a fun little creative hobby. I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to make a kitty bank model to 3D print. Maybe a statue of Kumi down the road.

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>>21697062
Aww. Beat me to it.
Take good care of the little guy anon.

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>>21691221
hey those are cool, nice job! GIIMMEE DAT KIRBY!

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>>21697647
Ya betta get with a money back guarantee!
...sorry I had to.

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For shift cores, is it best to go with omega if you're not dealing with the complicated body speed penalty?

[Anonymous No.]

ay boys we are about to start there first elona run.

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>>21697647
Thanks! Hope you'll treat him good!

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Are there any good places to farm engagement stuff? I'm trying to get on the good side of some adventurers and don't feel like whoring out to them for like a half hour

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>>21698162
I think it's wizards of elea that often have jewellery, including engagement things. You can buy them from slave traders, take their stuff, and sell them back to the trader.

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>>21698243
I tried that, but it seems that you can't take engagement stuff.
Maybe they could drop it, what dungeons do they appear in? elona +

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>>21698267
the last level of the puppy cave?
best way to farm 'em,i guess

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>>21697982
Probably. It's been a while since I used one, but I'm pretty sure the passive damage isn't a big deal. For that matter, I can't imagine the speed core being a workable solution to the complicated body problem, since it can only be activated when you're at 100% gauge and the effect is temporary. Better to just use Riding.

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>>21698162
As far as I know, moyer is the only NPC who sells jewelery. Invest him up a bit and you should be good. Failing that, run up and down the puppy cave.

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Don't have any inspiration for my house design sigh...

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I'm playing elona+ for the first time, it's fun, but I don't know how to make any money.
is there something i should do or what? dungeons kill me randomdly and I can't do the timed quests.

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>>21699023
If you are just starting the normal advice is to do farming quests in yowyn and avoid dungeons and actually fighting.
Do a few of the I want it quests where you find someone in the same town to trade an item off of them.

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>>21699023
Quests pay well if you do them in bulk, and they are still important for platinum even if you don't. If you can't do harvesting, performance and hunting quests, your only other option is item delivery ones. You are bound to find a quest where they want garbage as a birthday present or food that can be cooked with lv. 0 Cooking. Wild flowers can be an early source of money, though they barely pay for anything other than food and drinks to stay alive. You can also get a little bit of money from cooking corpses. Mining in Puppy Cave also works, though you need a stockpile of food and water to stay there.

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>>21699023
Look at how long escort and delivery quests will take before you accept them. Failure will cost you karma and that can get you in trouble.
I want it quests are almost always super easy and there's no real consequence for failure.
Gardening in yowyn is safe too, pick up the gardening skill when you get a chance.

My preferred source of early cash in plus is to start a ranch. Buying a deed for a ranch will set you back around 70,000 gold, depending on your negotiation skill. Catch something low level that breeds fast like a rat in a monster ball, then leave it to breed on your ranch. Some people like to use rabbits for their first ranch animal since they have a chance to drop an item that gives a permanent +1 to luck. It's better than nothing, but luck is your least important stat. Anyway, kill the offspring and leave the corpses on the drydock for a while to create jerky. Sell their skins and jerky for a profit. If you have the cooking skill, you can cook the meat instead of making jerky if you prefer, but with a low skill level the jerky should make more money.

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>>21699023
When I start a game I like to get a storage house and place it directly next to Palmia so it acts as my base of operations and to complete I Want It quests. First though, I go from the starting cave to Cyber Dome (it's south and to the left of the cave) to gamble on a chance for glass gun/bullets/energy cell. There I sell any heavy equipment from the tutorial/character generation, the uncurse scroll (if something good is on sale and need money) and anything else. With what little funds I have, I look for glass gear, free speed is always nice. If the bullets don't match the gun you can't shoot but that's ok, you can still wear them for the free speed. After that I go right, toward Palmia and Yowyn. Do easy jobs and note what items pop up in I Want It quests. When I have enough gold for a storage house I place it at Palmia and throw in items that may be used in the quests like gems/crystals etc. I write down what's in there so I don't have to zone to search it. Sometimes quests vanish on me just for walking out of town. If I see a request with an item in storage I take it, walk out of town, get their item, done. Having a list of stock on hand makes it fast and easy, no need to hunt around hoping someone/thin has the item. If you don't have anything you can just move on and do other things until there is a request you can do.

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What do I do with this?

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>>21700460
You can make cheese and yogurt, and then hamburgers

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>>21699023
Other than obvious high-value vendor trash like scroll of oracle and corpses (cook immediately with portable cooking furniture so it wont rot), dungeon dive specifically for "pot for fusion".
Anything you make out of that generally sells for way too much for a starter character, because it seems balanced around a level 30-50+ character.

Good things to aim for are putitoros, dairy products, hamburgers.
At the start with crap stats you'd probably be making instant ale, furniture, onigiris and shit though.

From there you basically just save up (by putting money in piggybanks or into cargo that you dump at home) for a farm or ranch, and then income starts to flow in proper.
Early game really shouldn't be a problem with a putit farm churning putitoros like 12k an in-game day.

The REAL real money comes when you actually have 100+ cooking and DOUBLE anything you cook, so you should aim for that if you aren't sure yet how to get stronk and clear level 200+ dungeons for gold.

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>>21700482
Thanks a bunch, hamburgers looks amazing.

[Anonymous No.]

Any PCC spritesheets with tattoos or tribal markings?

[Anonymous No.]

Finally found a magic heart for my rabbit. Been tinkering with the AI for his new time stop. I'd like him to do it when there's either a lot of monsters around us or when whatever he's fighting is pretty strong. Is there any way to do that? I can't find any way to relate an action to multiple targets or compare actual stats, just percentage value

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>>21699023
You mentioned not being strong enough for dungeons, but here's some info for when you're ready.

Crafting gives ridiculous amounts of money in this game, and can exponentially speed up your early game. All you need is crafting tools, some basic gear and some pets to keep you alive. This can be done before you're even high enough level to pay taxes. Trawl low level (1-10) dungeons for material spots, especially during Nefia Fever. For reference I made a new character and after the usual Yowyn farming and trading oracle scrolls from the puppy cave with adventurers for gear, around level 10 I went dungeon diving for the duration of one Fever. This got me enough materials for ~300 decorated cloths made with the sewing kit, which along with other crafting fodder amounted to ~250k. With that amount you can buy a shop or estate, and invest 50 in a couple vendors for potential potions.

Basically if you're properly equipped to gather materials in low level dungeons, you can shit out money and use it to fund all the other moneymaking methods already mentioned. Seriously, you can cut 50 hours worth of grinding into 5

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>>21701953
>Self Gauge = 50%
I think you meant ">=" there.
>I'd like him to do it when there's either a lot of monsters around us or when whatever he's fighting is pretty strong. Is there any way to do that?
I think the closest you could get to that would be to put a special action above it with the same condition. (Basically trying to use the spact cooldown to jury-rig "if this move doesn't instakill everything in sight, then use this super move".)
>I can't find any way to relate an action to multiple targets or compare actual stats, just percentage value
Custom AI is miles better than default AI, but its condition list is limited compared to, e.g., Siralim 3's macro system. (Although Siralim 3 lacks "And" functionality.)

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>>21702371
>">="
That would explain a few things, thank you
Do you know if the limitations are an in development thing or if they're because it's as good as Elona can do? I've been enjoying tinkering with the AI and now I kind of want to see how refined a pet can get.
Maybe I'll set it up so that he casts it when I cast a certain spell, like if player has contingency status he time stops. It costs 200 SP if the wiki is right so it's not something I want him to do constantly

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>>21702568
>It costs 200 SP
I don't think NPCs have SP.
Custom AI has spacts doable every other action. You can do that as frequently as you feel like. Quite overpowered, really. But whatever, shit's fun.

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>>21702598
Anon this rabbit is already getting pretty stupid strong. Now I'm excited.

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>>21702598
What the hell? That makes custom ai rabbits better than defenders and bells of termination combined.

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The potion-throwing NPCs can really do ridiculous damage for their level, huh? It doesn't matter if you have resists, if they throw one of the worse potions you could get oneshotted

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>>21702728
Just ran him through some dungeons with this AI setup. He's casting time stop a lot but not as often as he should be. There's some kind of secondary limiter besides the 2 turn cooldown. Since he's also equipped with Rankis it's pretty ridiculous though.
His INI is low enough that he's at constant 400% potential in everything just from pickpocket and he's getting pretty silly. There was a short period where I had to babysit him hard but now I can't keep up

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>>21702598
>>21702654
>>21702728
>>21702760
There IS another limiter for special acts besides the two turn limit when using custom ai.

>Secondly, since pets do not use stamina, every ability that your pet knows has a resource associated with it. You could consider it something like "energy", and it functions to limit how often your pet can use a specific ability. The maximum energy for any specific ability is 5 * (stamina cost/10), with a cap of 20. The energy use for every action is max(1, stamina cost/10)+1. Every time that your pet enters the customized AI routine, it will regenerate 1 point of energy for every ability that it knows.

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>>21702749
Do they just ignore resist or it's so much damage that it doesn't matter?

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>>21702790
That's a pretty decent balance. Still really powerful, probably straight up overpowered, but not stupid crazy every other ability with no limit. I like it.

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I am trying to get into elona any good tips?
Also how do I get water aside from buying beer/whisky ?

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>>21702598
>I don't think NPCs have SP.
They didn't originally, but they do now.

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>>21702873
Booze is one of the cheapest sources of hydration, and the most abundant one. Magic vendors sell potions, such as defender and cure minor wound, that are even cheaper, but you won't find them in every town. You can also ask a bartender to refill you for 140 gold, but that won't train magic device.

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>>21702568
>Do you know if the limitations are an in development thing or if they're because it's as good as Elona can do?
Custom AI was added by AnnaBannana. She's still around last I heard, but BloodyShade is the one maintainging Custom these days. He keeps Custom AI's evolution and special action lists up to date, but I don't think there have been any changes to the system itself since it was added.
Personally, the Custom AI code is a bit too much for me (otherwise I'd have figured out how to add "Do nothing" to the default action list by now), but I'm pretty sure the combat stuff runs on top of Elona+'s own code rather than replacing it outright.

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Do you think it is good idea to join magic guild as a fighter? Not sure if fighters guild benefits is worth it.

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>>21703284
The spellbook writer is useful for everyone, since Cure of Jure is very powerful and spellbooks for it are uncommon. However, you can use it without being in the guild if use Incognito. You'll just have to kill the watchman and tank the guild master every time. There is also another spellbook writer in act 3. Depends if you want to early convenience, really.
As an aside, f you're interested in collecting all precious items, then complete the fighters guild quest to get the Flame Edge. I don't think there is any other way of getting it.

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Do any variants let a fairy Twohand with the full bonus? E.g. adjust the target weight to 0.4s or something with the fairy racial feat?

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>>21703337
Custom is open-source, and Custom-G comes with a guide to compiling. I think you could find-replace "inv(INV_ITEM_WEIGHT, cw) >= 4000" with "inv(INV_ITEM_WEIGHT, cw) >= 400", although that'd affect NPCs as well. Only checking the different value if the CDATA_RACE_ID is DB_RACE_FAIRY probably wouldn't be too hard to code with a bit of programming know-how, though.

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>>21702873
Potions of any kind wet you just fine, so a stack of minor potions from alchemy or from the magic shops is easy to go with.
You could also bless the entire stack by mixing a blessed bottle of water into it, and now you can go around drinking unidentified liquids off the floor freely because you have the cure any 'sick' you get instantly.


The better solution is you find a magaqua and leave it in your inventory so you're perpetually wet and don't need to deal with hydration.
Or, you upgrade to custom G, which removes that entire mechanic since it was a recent, and terrible addition.

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>>21702873
>I am trying to get into elona any good tips?
If you get a lucky day dream, go to palmia, derphy, or port kapul and play blackjack. Bet one chip at a time unless you have a ton of them. If you get a good win streak (4 or so) you'll earn a potion of cure corruption. You generally shouldn't waste your casino chips outside of lucky days. If you really need a potion of cure corruption, the king of palmia gives you one early in the main quest.

Pets make the game a lot easier. Even if you'd rather go it alone, I at least recommend using them to smooth out the early game. I find wizards of elea to be extremely effective for how cheap and easy they are to get. The slave master in derphy sells them for around 1,000-2,000 gold. A good long-term pet is the defender you get for worshipping Jure. Defenders have the ability to prevent the death of one member of your party, including you but excluding themselves, once per rest. They make things a lot more forgiving.

Since you're in plus, take the strings assassin feat when you get a chance. It gives you a powerful melee attack that can never, ever miss. Later that same feat will unlock thread of innervation which seriously breaks the early game. Other good feats to take early on: hypnotism gives you a weak attack that never misses and inflicts sleep on anything not immune. Exorcist increases your resistance to having your items cursed, and guarantees they won't be cursed in your sleep. Dimensional move gives you the ability to teleport a short distance and is very helpful in escaping. It's less useful later on, but it never completely goes out of style because you can still use it when you have status ailments, unlike scrolls and spells.

>Also how do I get water aside from buying beer/whisky ?
There's an item called a magaqua that makes you wet for as long as it's in your inventory. Carrying one effectively disables the thirst system. You'll take more damage from lightning, but it's worth not dealing with thirst.

Until you find one, whisky and potions of cure minor wound are what I use. Don't drink a lot of alcohol at once, vomiting is bad for you. If you're not in the latest version you could just install custom g and forget about the whole thing.

Oh yeah, and never drink potions of water. Those are for blessing your items. Go to the truce grounds north of palmia and choose a god to worship. Then when you drop potions of water on your god's altars, they'll become blessed water mix blessed water with something else to bless that item. A good early game use is to bless a stack of scrolls of change material which can be used to make your equipment far more powerful. Press B to mix items.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a reason to not orchestrate elaborate accidents for the adventurers that visit my crib so I can take their gear? Playing oomsest if that matters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21703284
Everyone benefits from a bit of magic. In plus the fighter's guild bonus is pretty solid, and you'll eventually gain access to a spell writer anyway. Outside of plus the mage guild is the only one worth considering. The thieves guild is always crap.

You don't need to join a guild to learn its skills. Just zap a wand of teleportation at the watchman and then cast incognito or use a disguise kit once inside. In plus the guild leader will not be fooled. The fighter and thief guild leaders aren't too bad but the mage guild leader is dangerous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21704744
If they have an item you really really want it's best to trade for it because there's no guarantee you'll get the drop (unless it's precious) and they might retire from adventuring. 99% of the time it's a good idea though. I like to unleash ebon on mid level adventurers early in the game to get some nice starting equipment.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone else rearrange the portraits in face1.bmp so the npcs you talk to the most have the portraits you like best?

[Anonymous No.]

I can't find a fucking book of healing rain holy shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>21704812
What, you too? It's the one book I haven't been able to find.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21704829
Can you wish for spellbooks? I have a rod of wishing. I'm thinking of using it for that. This is silly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21704846
I don't know if it works for all spell books but I know a fact I wished for the mutation spellbook to make another heart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21704876
Hell ya
I bet I'll find one in the next dungeon

[Anonymous No.]

>>21704745
Thieves guild is a pretty decent way to trade karma for money and plat early on.
1.In the guild room, teleport the two storekeeper npcs out of the bottom right,
2.rob the shit out of their vault,
3.then sell it back to them at full markup price as a guild member,
4.then go upstairs and clear the rank up quest for even more gold, plat, and a vendor trash furniture.

Its easily 50k every respawn, which is pretty impressive for a level 1 joke with a teleport rod, pickpocket, negotiation, and a general lack of morals.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21704812
>>21704829
>>21704894
Wierdos.
It shows up in the magic store once in a while.

[Anonymous No.]

So I bought a farm and filled it up with a buncha seeds.
I know that farming has something to do with potential training in one way or another, but what the fricc do you do with these fruits and vegetables? they sell for chickenshit and the only thing I could conceive of to do with them is use them to grind up Cooking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21705181
You use them to grind up cooking. Your gardening will increase as you harvest more crops, when your gardening hits 30 you get a powerful (W)ide attack ability.

The food will be worth more as your gardening and cooking increase, through higher enhancement bonus and cooked dish rank respectively. Eventually they'll be worth good money. By the way, what you're getting from the vendors is only a small fraction of what your dishes are actually worth. In order to earn their full price, you should sell them in a specialized shop. Same goes for equipment, that's the reason gear often sells for peanuts. For now you can just eat your cooked crops and feed them to your pets

[Anonymous No.]

>>21705181
The main thing you want from a farm is herbs.

[Anonymous No.]

Is Pro-jet useless unless you feed her some hero cheese (and how much)? She only got magic resist so she should be oneshot by almost anything.
I like how speedy she is and I don't want to use better alternatives like bells since they're not cute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21705440
What's her INI? You could fill her with ruby stuff long enough to get some AP life. You could also give her barrier, she has 100 mana

[Anonymous No.]

>>21705463
442/832

[Anonymous No.]

>>21705481
Man that speed really boosts it. I assumed the low life would make it small. Still workable I guess. Ya I'd try to just fill her with ruby stuff, boost the stats with ore selling and herbed food, keep some stock of resurrection handy. Get some life from AP then get barrier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21705489
Thanks I'll try that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21705181
They don't sell for chicken shit, you just suck at cooking.

[Anonymous No.]

>Accidentally press some keys
>Endless turn skipping that lasts after restarting game

Cool

[Anonymous No.]

>>21706579
Sometimes keys randomly stick, notably when alt tabbing.
Num5 or F3 probably got stuck. Press those and then load with F2, assuming you're playing a sane version without F2 disabled.
Load one of your backups of your savefile if that bug fucked you over.

[Anonymous No.]

Winchester should be the better one right? Can't quite decide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21706896
Cold damage hurts if you wet your victims though.
And finland rifle has more effective ranges if you aren't shadowstepping in.

I'm just playing devil's advocate for the other gun because you are feeling the winchester.
I'd rather find a living laser gun with a good starting trait.

[Anonymous No.]

I really wish luck affected more than just the casino,its the most worthless stat

[Anonymous No.]

>>21707543
It also affects the chance for gear to upgrade to the next quality up; bad to good, good to great, great to miracle, miracle to godly. Though it seems to take practically forever for any relevant bonus.

[Anonymous No.]

Here is the relevant piece of code, if anyone is interested.
fixlv if the quality, 1 is bad, 5 is godly, 6 is precious.
sdata(19, 0) is the player characters luck.

if ( sdata(19, 0) > rnd(5000) ) {
if ( fixlv < 5 ) {
fixlv++
}
}
if ( fixlv == 5 ) {
if ( rnd(2) == 0 ) {
fixlv--
}
}

[Anonymous No.]

>>21707737

shouldn't the first 2 lines be

if ( fixlv < 5 ) {
if ( sdata(19, 0) > rnd(5000) ) {

so that the luck check doesn't even need to happen if the item is 5+,
otherwise you roll luck but it didn't matter anyway if the item is 5+ so you rolled for nothing

[Anonymous No.]

>>21708146
Generally with code you'd think that way and be correct. No idea about HSP though.
And compilers or interpreters can automatically optimize such things in some cases. So the negligible saved CPU cycles may already be saved anyway.

Regardless, that's just how it is in Elona(plus), which dev/s aren't likely to change; Custom aims to not change any code function at all, even small things like that; and the difference is probably too negligible to be worth deviating Custom-G further.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21707543
>>21707690
>>21707737
>>21708146
This is old, but it is every mention of luck in the code I think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21697062
Sorry for long delay again.
Tomorrow I'll send it for sure! Please don't think that I forgot about it!

[Anonymous No.]

>>21708655
No problem anon, there's no rush. If you decide to make more please post about it.

[Anonymous No.]

How do I increase spell potentials? Plus

[Anonymous No.]

>>21708693
Sleep. Higher quality beds restore more potential.
You do have to have stock for the spell to recover potential for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21705440
The pro-jet's weaknesses can be fixed using AP. A bit of life goes a long way, as does the barrier feat. A short-term solution is to equip some rubynus gear. Personally if I was going to use one long-term, I'd reinitialize her. You only end up losing 32 speed and it'll be much easier to get everything else you need.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21706896
Shotguns have really bad ranged modifiers and that by itself makes the sniper rifle better. I'd take the rail gun over either. Your best bet for a firearm is a living laser gun, especially one that was originally a shotgun or a sniper rifle.

[Anonymous No.]

Starting out, is it better to stockpile all herbs until cooking 30 or eat a few for stat potentials (E+)

[Anonymous No.]

>>21708689
Thank you for being so kind! And I'll sure make something else soon!

[Anonymous No.]

>>21708787
Anon you're very cute

[Anonymous No.]

>>21708770
Stockpile anything but curaria and stomfillia. Bring stom to dungeons since hunger is more of an issue early on, curaria are good for stat boosts early.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21708797
Thank you! You too!

[Anonymous No.]

Is it worth it to maintain a shop if I'm gonna end up with high negotiation and charisma anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a graphical upgrade for Omake Overhaul?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21708848
Whether it's worth it is up to you, but selling things yourself will never make as much money as a decent shopkeeper will.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21708848
Yes, even if you had infinite gold the item rerolling part of shops makes them worthwhile.
>Open all my bejeweled chests
>Drop like 50 empty chests in my shop
>Have like 30 chests/material boxes waiting for me in the safe

[Anonymous No.]

>>21709339
>Drop like 50 empty chests in my shop
>Have like 30 chests/material boxes waiting for me in the safe
Didn't know you can do this. That's really cool.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21709339
And here I was leaving the empty chests on the floor after opening them. Gonna start doing this from now on

[Anonymous No.]

>>21709377
>>21709384
Glad I could help. Keep in mind you're getting mostly normal chests/safes rather than bejeweled, but you get some of those too

[Anonymous No.]

What's a kiseru?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21709685
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiseru
>Kiseru (煙管 kiseru) is a Japanese smoking pipe traditionally used for smoking a small serving (about 25 mg) of kizami, a finely shredded tobacco product resembling hair.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21709846
Tell me this awful debuff will go away eventually, I hate this

[Anonymous No.]

Tell me about shift cores

[Anonymous No.]

>>21709882
Just use the kiseru again and the debuff will go away for a while.
Really though, you have drug dependence so occasionally the debuff will be reapplied. It's your withdrawal symptoms. It will eventually stop happening if you don't use drugs anymore, once your dependence has vanished.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21708747
>reinitialize
You mean choosing "Ally skills and experience" at oblivion palace?
Doesn't look like an option anymore. I'll stick with her anyway though since I really want to make her work, even if she still has to earn even 1 AP...

[Anonymous No.]

I didn't even know this was an option. I'm finding so many more living weapons on this character than my previous ones.
Time stop rabbit is ridiculous

[Anonymous No.]

>>21710076
Yeah that. It shouldn't take too long to make up the losses if you've got an herb garden up and running. Though if you stick with it she should start gaining AP eventually even without doing that. Either way, once she gets barrier it'll all turn around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21708616
Huh, so the stuff where it affects fishing, big daddy spawn rates, ores etc from the wiki are all nonsense?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21711166
Where do you even find those? Is it just treasure maps? I swear I haven't found a single living weapon in Plus, and only like 2-3 way back in vanilla Elona

[Anonymous No.]

>>21712915
I found this one in the Chaos Unicorn fight. I'm sure that's a coincidence. I found a living bow I gave to my frog off a travelling merchant really early on for like 8k. Not sure where I found my rabbit's living mace but that was early-ish too.
Oh and I got a doomed living boulder off my shop, it's sitting in my storage house never to be touched again.
They're really rare to find as drops. I've had the best luck off travelling merchants on previous characters. You can also use the equip making pot of fusion recipe but I haven't tinkered with that too much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21712915
Not him but are you kidding me? The chance for getting living weapons has been multiplied so much in Plus it's not even funny. I've restarted the game a number of times and each time I ended up with a warehouse full of living weapons. Later when you're crafting with the pot of fusion, you'll be shitting out even more of them. I think there's something wrong with your methods of looking for them, if you're not finding any at all.

Try recruiting a black market vendor or two in your home, and investing all the black markets on the continent to a high rank, then carefully checking their inventory every refresh. It's also easy to overlook a living weapon because you have to examine it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21713513
Yep it's really easy to overlook one.
Guys what is better to pick up for a melee as a second ranged weapon, rods or ranged weapon?

[Anonymous No.]

>get red codex
>take 4 chainmails with shields into bandit town
>like 40 enemies and nothing does damage from the front
>kill half the map and the enemies start all going insane

[Anonymous No.]

>>21713920
Rods will train magic device and if you use dupli-cane, alchemy. This means if you use them enough you won't need to practice your spell levels for buffs and can instead actually benefit from rod/potion buffs instead of just selling them. This also trains magic and learning which will both buff barrier, that you should get, and maybe offer you an extra skill point or two a level.
I've never made a ranged character so I can't say how beneficial ranged weapons would be but if you aren't using a ranged pet you could more easily get a ranged living weapon higher level to use as a stat-stick.

On my necro character who had stupid high magic device/alchemy for his level rod damage did eventually fall off but was still do-able. Meanwhile potion effects stayed powerful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21712915
Just check every miracle and godly item you find. I tend to see a lot of living weapons on wandering vendors. If you've got the skill levels for it, the pot for fusion's equip making recipes will get you as many living weapons as you could ever want in short order.

>>21712668
Seems that way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21709299
There's Elona 1.22 beautify

[Anonymous No.]

>Rabbit and Flying Frog raised from level 1 can now take on level 250~ awakened dungeons
>I can't even damage anything inside

I didn't know pet builds were so fun. I wish I tried this earlier. Might swap my spell focus to debuffs since I can't keep up with damage.

Has anyone ever tried raising one of those golems you can make from the Pot of Fusion? I was thinking of raising one of them and giving it provoke. That or a chicken.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21714781
Be wary of Death Maneki. If you get stuck in a room full of enemies because it drew you in, and your pets can't reach you, bad things will happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21714804
Oh I've noticed. Frog's platinum song makes me at least moderately tanky though and every time that's happened so far the rabbit swooshes in, stops time, and solves the problem. It's scary but so far alright.
Might actually raise a cat instead of a chicken. I like how their evolution looks and it gets a nice easy speed boost to make it useable until I can AP boost it. I want a caster though so I'd need to re-train its casting once I get enough AP to teach it some spells.
Might raise one of those craftable golems alongside it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21714804
That's the advantage of a mount: you'll always have a pet with you when you get Awoken Autotarget Draw Shadow'd. The downside, as discussed last thread, is that the mount might target something that isn't in range and ignore nearby enemies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21714804
>and your pets can't reach you
In that situation you can still hope to call them. Like send them to town then call them back. Should spawn them as close to you as possible, even if that's on the edge of a pile. From there it's just survival.

What other creatures use Multiple Gather? I could swear a yellow rabbit of some sort did it to me countless times but can't find anything about it on the wiki.
It didn't use Death Song at all though, like maneki do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21714861
>the mount might target something that isn't in range and ignore nearby enemies
I've yet to have that issue actually cause problems. Because just * targeting something else, bumping into something else, double bashing non-aggressive NPCs to make them aggressive, or even being hit makes it work again. So it's usually alleviated before I even notice unless the dungeon is really really low level.
Is it still broken after fixing the Custom AI for targets 5-6sq away by removing those two PCHP>10%? So that they don't get locked into Distant/Continuous attacks despite being unable to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21714878
>Multiple Gather
Oh, so THAT'S how they do it. I always figured it was some quirk of Awoken Nefia. Huh.
Anyway, to answer your question, <Graveed> the gravity valley and <Enthumesis> can use it normally, and dread rabbits have a special hardcoded 2% chance per round to use it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21714804
One of the best forms of survivability available to you if you're using an uberpet it to tag with them. When tagging attacks choose which character to hit with probability based on who has more HP, and if you use a pet as your kill mechanism they'll be many levels higher then you, have much higher stats, and thus way more HP and thus have the large majority of attacks directed at them instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21713513
Maybe I just haven't been paying enough attention. I don't think I normally ever checked travelling merchant inventories, for example. I'll have to try doing that.

If the drop rate was increased "recently" that might be the issue. The last character I made where I got decently far was 1.69 or something I think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21715984
The rareloot flag patch 20x the droprates of rare stuff or something like that.
Both changes were bloody ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21716949
That and the recent 5x food experience buff feel wrong to me. I get the decision really, the grind in old Elona was insane but that was kind of part of the charm too. Glad I made my god slayer before them, feels better abusing the changes.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't understand riding. What does a high riding skill actually do? How do I know if something is a good mount?

[Anonymous No.]

Is #####+ maximum? I have that on my living weapon but it still gives me the option to upgrade that bonus.

[Anonymous No.]

>ctrl+f
>E+C 1.9
>0 matches
>>21717918
You can use the mirror skill to see the exact bonus you have. I don't think theres a limit and you can get resistance to negative statuses if they're very high (15+)

[Anonymous No.]

Welcome to extreme chocolate making

[Anonymous No.]

Just burned my entire mana bar into an adventurer and did 5% of his her health. What's normal progression on omake supposed to look like? I'm 30 hours in at level 15 and I still feel like I'm a joke compared to a lot of things.
Had to pay 150k to have some adventures clear out my home for me a little while ago since I got pranked by a new years gift that had two red dragons and a merman inside.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21717613
Riding lets you use a percentage of your pet's speed instead of your own. Higher riding lets you use more of your pet's speed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21717613
Riding replaces your speed with your pet's speed instead.
Riding skill and your pet's strength decides how much speed you can actually gain, so the faster (and weaker) your pet is, the more riding levels you need.
Riding bitflags affect that calculation substantially. Like "you'll move slower than an iceberg if you ride a bell" levels of substantial.

In elona+. the pet's riding skill also helps in the calculation.

tl;dr you won't need shit to ride a little girl, but riding a horse or a yith would definitely require high riding levels

[Anonymous No.]

>>21717517
why are people even bitching about this
it's not like it affects the herb bitflag or anything, just the tiny bit of exp you get from eating any food

[Anonymous No.]

What happens if I use the strange scientist to change my job?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21718317
For me, pets are supposed to be retarded and constrained but grow rapidly to compensate.
It also makes me feel more rewarded for wasting 10 seconds of my life navigating menus to feed them.

Making the player grow equally well from food kinda diminishes the pet experience.
I'd like a revamp on how food gives stats at higher levels, but not this outright "same as pets" shenanigans.

[Anonymous No.]

having a huge fucking drill for a weapon feels cool
definitely need to switch to that or chainsaws

[Anonymous No.]

>>21718744
Just need new melee animations for these weapons now

[Anonymous No.]

Pets still don't have spell levels in current custom G right? It's all based on casting level?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21718190
Now that I think about it, people often talk about Fetter cheese but you can accomplish the same thing by riding a metal without needing to get Opatos faith.

[Anonymous No.]

>Over-ray is just a very slightly stronger crystal spear

I'm tragically disappointed. I've always wanted to base a build around it. I love it conceptually. I'm sad.

[Anonymous No.]

Which is better for dual-wielding, Blood-Moon or Oti-Tubaki? Also, what level should my pets and I be to safely take on the Crypt of the Damned?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21721057
I would go with Blood-Moon for the extra fire damage. Be aware that it could damage items in the enemy's inventory if you aren't carrying a magatama.
Resistances and speed are more important than levels for taking that dungeon on. If you can comfortably take on liches, you're probably ready.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21718482
I play pet-centric characters exclusively and I dig this change, it helps your character fall less far behind when starting out. It doesn't affect herbs which is pretty much all you'll be eating later, so the main affected period is early game. Pets will far outstrip your growth either way, because as soon as you throw some flowers and ores their way and especially after they get pickpocket, their potentials are pretty much always at 400%. The same can absolutely not be said for the PC. So having the same normal food modifier doesn't make actual growth equal and giving the PC a boost does not affect the pet experience at all. I'd argue that before, there was little reason to eat anything except herbs and food cargo. I'd say it helps both non-pet and pet-using PCs fit into E+ power progression without upsetting the scales.

[Anonymous No.]

Wasn't expecting Estork to die in one time stop. Time to raise this fairy friend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21718190
There's a cucumber horse too!

[Anonymous No.]

>>21724581
Even Zap Mandrake can ride on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21724581
>>21724710
You did a good job with these ones. The cucumber horse is especially cute

[Anonymous No.]

People who think luck is an useless stat and people who think swimming is useless belong to the same group, high functioning autists. Or as it is more commonly called, aspergers.
People with aspergers enjoy a sort of "structure" they can build their thoughts around. The world for them, is a puzzle, or that's how they wish it was.
Us normal people simply have a general vague understanding.
The asperger might say "But they showed up at MY house, why do I need to treat them". Our brains work differently, we simply "get it".
Luck is vague, and therefore wishing for a random rainfall, happening upon a situation where the speed gives us the final push to escape our predicaments seems irrational, and therefore intimidating for the asperger.
us normals see things differently, the joy of good loot, the high of killing an enemy after greater evation kicked in, easy mothafukan blujackkujackku is tooo good to give up. To conclude, people who don't worship our catlady above have the condition called high functioning autisim, or as we call it, aspies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21726110
Dude, what are you on about? Is this some ancient copypasta or something? The exact effects of SKILL_ATTR_LUC can be seen in the source code these days. And Swimming trains speed, why would anyone call it useless? I've never heard anyone say that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21726110
Luck isn't entirely useless, because it does affect things.

But it even 2000 luck barely does anything.
At most gives 40% chance to upgrade equipment by one quality tier.
It only guarantees a hit for rnd(44)>rnd(300), plus a negligible hit chance increase
20-25% chance for godly pet crafted sleep items instead of miracle.
Plus a small effect on rich man events and curse dice.

The only thing it's actually useful for is blackjack. Which just having a lucky day is enough to cover. That aside, just having 80 luck gives a 1/2 chance for that message. 120 for 2/3. It doesn't take much for that. Certainly not worth grinding out.

Just because it affects things doesn't mean it's useful. It's not an issue of not understanding it intuitively, because the code is readable and probability is grade school shit.
Rather, it's an issue of understanding it and, due to doing just that, understanding that it's not worth focusing on.

Swimming trains speed in plus at least. So that has its own use in reducing the need to grind for AP and then speed uppers or Hermes blood.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21725869
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.]

I've been mostly playing solo characters in the past, but now I want to try playing a melee tank who can heal/buff their pets. I assume Mage-Knight is best for the cast penalty reduction while in medium/heavy armor, but what pets are good for dishing out lots of damage early on and later on in E+? Or does it just not matter much and any can be raised to be really strong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21726607
Juere infantry is pretty decent for low levels and you can buy it from the slave master so not hard to get too. Also got lots of slots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21726607
I'm doing my first proper pet build as well and I recommend getting a rabbit then evolving it into a Red Eyes White Rabbit. It gets the time stop special action which has been pretty ridiculous so far. I equipped it with the Rankis and it's basically just clearing out entire floors while time stopped.
You have to babysit it early on but I also got mine a bit later than I should have. If you find one right away it would probably get useful faster. Now it babysits me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21726607
Any pet can become extremely powerful with time, but if you're looking for something top tier, go for a pet with a rare/unique ability. Here's a few standard examples:
-Defender: Strong fighter, can heal you with Healing Rain spells, prevents you from dying once per day with the Lay Hand ability.
-Fire dragon child: Tons of HP, few default equipment slots (which means you can customize/optimize what it can equip via gene engineering), gains the powerful Boost (strong offensive buff) and Megid Flame (removes enemy buffs and inflicts Element Scar) abilities as you evolve it.
-Harpy: Upon evolution, gains the very powerful Super Regen ability (recover 10% max HP instantly and regenerate very quickly for a while).

[Anonymous No.]

I previously wrote a talk tone file for a female Exile. Feel free to add it to the mod pastebin. I last played at Elona+ 1.86 but it should still work. There might still be some errors.

https://pastebin.com/rUeX4ux5

[Anonymous No.]

How should I prioritize my shop investing? What's important other than the the magic shop?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21728437
Goods and general are good. I always forget which is better though. People claim black markets are good but I've never found anything useful no matter how much I invest

[Anonymous No.]

>>21728468
Black markets are probably the best way to get living weapons. They are also decent at getting godly equipment, but that relies on you having high luck.
>>21728437
Moyer is useful but not while you're still low on cash. Reliable way to find a lot of good jewellery for artifact fusion.
Inns, blacksmiths (after you have slb), and food vendors are all pretty poor choices.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21718010
I'm level 19 at 17 hours in oomSEST. If you're used to Plus then the progression is going to be a lot slower, powergaming aside.

I like to keep a stack of cursed whisky on hand to take on high level enemies. Drop water on an alter not belonging on your god to curse it, then throw it. It doesn't work on every enemy and I'm not sure why, but most things will get anorexia after a few hits, and throwing a few more after that will deal them 9999 starvation damage. I just got the Zantetsu from a level 68 adventurer that way. Killing Loyter with cursed alcohol during party quests is a great way to get solid equipment early on. Killing Gilbert in parties is alright too but his equipment is worse and he has ranged attacks. Are those adventurers you hired still with you? They might be able to kill Gilbert and/or Loyter too.

Also don't open new years gifts in your home and don't open gifts from adventurers who aren't at amiable status or higher. I think the rival adventurer gives you good gifts regardless of her relationship, but it's also easy to make her like you by killing her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21726607
Warmage is a good choice for anyone who wants to cast spells in plus. Pretty much any pet is fine for dealing damage, magic is pretty effective very early on. I like to buy a wizard of elea from the slave master. For something that has more staying power, bells are excellent in both attack and defense, defenders have possibly the best support ability in the game, harpies can become near-invincible regen tanks later in the game, and rabbits can cheese almost anything with time stop

[Anonymous No.]

>>21703611
Thanks. I wasn't aware source.hsp was the uncompiled source code. I made the change myself, and it should only apply to fairy PCs.

I made a diff patch if anyone else wants to use this. I haven't tested it extensively or anything but it seems to work.

ttps://pastebin.com/ni4N8Mhf

[Anonymous No.]

>>21728468
>People claim black markets are good but I've never found anything useful no matter how much I invest
That just makes me wonder how high a shop rank you had, and how often you actually checked the store. I get most of the elemental resist gear that I plug my team's resist gaps with from the black markets, along with living weapons. Of course it's random and you're not guaranteed good stuff, just like how most of the gear picked up in the dungeon is trash. But the odds are good. Just check on a regular basis

[Anonymous No.]

>Bloodyshade not working on Custom anymore
>Sableye probably not working on Custom-G anymore

We /omake/ now.

Also does anyone have a mirror of + 1.89 up right now? I can't seem to find one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21729747
>Sableye probably not working on Custom-G anymore
I'm still here. Future's still uncertain, but everything's more or less stable for now, and I'll maintain Custom-G for as long as I possibly can.
>does anyone have a mirror of + 1.89 up right now?
lol, newfag not knowing about bloodyshade's-
>Page Load Error
>bloodyshade.no-ip.org could not be found. Please check the name and try again.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Okay, short-term solution:
https://anonfile.com/g2q9o80an9/elonaplus1.89_zip

Up to now I'd figured BloodyShade had just been really busy or something, but I don't remember his private site being down before. That's... worrying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21729884
>https://anonfile.com/g2q9o80an9/elonaplus1.89_zip
Thanks, champ.

I brought it up because Bloodyshade left a new comment on the Custom thread. Bad times ahead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21729747
>Bloodyshade not working on Custom anymore
I looked up your claim and sure enough on the custom update thread, just a couple hours ago, he says:
>Due to not so recent developments in my personal and professional life, I won't be able to continue the development of E+C.
But I'm never playing omake in my life, you must be joking. It's got like one tenth of the content. 1.89 can keep me entertained for years until custom gets picked up by somebody else. It appears his archive with all the old versions is down now, so I uploaded 1.89 to mega for you.
https://mega.nz/#!wnwDFCBQ!UYEmXWDquC9QVZoqeo5T4O1UqI1zMRyYUHkFwcdwcOs

[Anonymous No.]

>>21729917
>Bloodyshade left a new comment on the Custom thread.
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:29851
>Due to not so recent developments in my personal and professional life, I won't be able to continue the development of E+C, thanks to everybody that contributed this project.
>At this time, I'm unsure if Anna will be coming back to provide new versions/updates, I left her a message, however.
>Sorry for being somewhat abrupt on the news, and I hope somebody else continues updating the game.
>Wish you all the best, and good luck.
...Well, dang.
Okay then. I've been toying with the idea of decompiling 1.89 and 1.90 and merging the changes in, but... I dunno if I'd do things as well as BloodyShade. I have no idea what sort of setup he had to manage the faux-constants that made the code readable.
I'll give it a shot, though. (Unless AnnaBannana decides to pick up where BloodyShade left off.) With luck, I might be able to create Custom-G... 1.90.1, I guess, since it'd be independent from Custom and just go directly onto Plus? (This is why I'd been putting it off; a sudden change like that would confuse people.)
I probably won't be able to do anything today, though; I'm busy on Saturdays these days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21729938
Slowpoke
>>21729949
How about sending both of them a message and asking directly about the setup and about Anna picking it up?

[Anonymous No.]

That's sad. With Elona being such a niche game I'm surprised it's been receiving such constant updates for so many years, I guess parts break along the way though. Hope someone else can pick up custom-G, I don't want to deal with piss.

>>21729938
Oh don't be like that. I only play plus but I'm glad Omake exists. In a few years when it gets more content I'll happily try it. It's great that another major version is being developed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21730559
>Hope someone else can pick up custom-G
Glorious Custom-G person is still willing. Even asking for the methods used to update Custom to new, human readable versions.
>Omake [...] it gets more content
Developers and players for that line are strictly against content, treating any storyline, continents, or anything like that, as fanfiction.
Omake is for flavor, not content. Some people like that flavor, some don't.
So if that's what you're waiting on to play omake, I wouldn't hold your breath.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21730615
oomSEST, is all about adding in south tyris, and much of the rest of the world map. There's some discussion and design about it on the jp discords.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21730559
I don't mind the hydration mechanic and I think the significance of the pissing is really overstated by people. I've been playing since it was introduced but haven't needed to use it at all, while the occasional potion/breakfast take care of thirst. I'd like to stay close to the original Plus and custom was perfect for that, so I hope that -G won't be the only option in the future.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21730725
I'll admit I've never actually played normal plus after the addition of hydration. How exactly does the pissing work?
Most additions people claim are weird OC fanfiction fueled nonsense like a lot of the special actions I actually like. More unique abilities and ways to play is always good. Plus has slowly evolved a sort of semi-class system because of them. Realizing and figuring out how to play a 100% necro character was some of the most fun I've had. Pissing rubbed me the wrong way though. Hydration just sounds annoying where as hunger is a core part of stat growth and the piss thing feels like a fetish.
I also don't give a shit about the "fanfiction" story of plus. As much as I like custom translating everything I enjoyed the world a lot more before it had the context of the story and now I actively choose to avoid learning about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21730868
PC can piss as a special (a)ction and then select a target, pissing on enemies makes them upset (fury status effect), selecting self just generates a puddle where you stand. It reduces hydration level. You can pick up piss and examine it, it says ''Why did you pick this up...?'' Again, I have never needed to use the pissing action. Also apparently sometimes characters that are scared shitless or hit by body blow will wet themselves. I've never seen it happen. There is flavor text for NPCs being embarassed if you witness them doing the deed. Really quite tame, and I think it's odd to draw the line at this considering all the rest of the shit in this game

[Anonymous No.]

>Big Daddy in awakened Nefia
>Little Sister dies to nefia generates poison

Fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you

>>21730892
>scared shitless or hit by body blow will wet themselves

I don't hate this

[Anonymous No.]

>>21730892
Not sure about others, but I just don't like having another thing to manage.
Hell I play Juere just to mitigate ever having to eat. Sure, magaqua can keep you hydrated but makes you open for lighting and other elemental attacks doing more damage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21730892
You could build a strategy that involves making your enemies literally piss themselves in fear with underhand drop and burst eye actions, and any insanity-causing skill. If you really hate an NPC, you can dishonor them with yellow justice. And then piss on their grave. Maybe play as dog and treat NPCs as lantern posts.

About hydration, it seems to serve to deter the player from infinitely drinking potions even when completely satiated. Seems fair, though I can imagine this may put players trying to drink a healing potion when overhydrated in a pinch. But I don't really dislike things that increase the difficulty in a way that makes sense, especially considering how easy the game is otherwise. Now I have a reason to use a healing rod or spell besides just Jure potions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21730976
>Sure, magaqua can keep you hydrated but makes you open for lighting and other elemental attacks doing more damage.
Also prevents training Swimming, I believe.

[Anonymous No.]

Why the fuck is the necromantis locked behind music tickets. Charisma and performer are almost entirely useless for a Necromancer. They are the least pet friendly playstyle and there's basically no purpose in training performer for them aside from that one single reward

[Anonymous No.]

>>21731122
You can slowly grind up music tickets by going into Nefias when they're 'on fire' (the clock at the top left has the orange fire at every hour mark). Aside from some other differences during this event, it gives a chance to find music ticket stacks on top of pre-generated gold piles on the floor. It's probably slower than actually performing, but is an alternative way if you don't want to bother training Performer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21731122
You can beat party time quests and get music tickets through non-performer related actions, such as preaching (faith) and fascination dance (charisma). I'm not sure if there are others. But those should help

[Anonymous No.]

>>21731122
>aside from that one single reward
And everything else you can buy with music tickets. Including hero cheese and whatnot.
The point at which music tickets become genuinely useless for ANY class is crazy far into the game, like near or at level caps.
The pet count is also useful for shops, ranches, and maybe sleep events, even if you never ever bring any with you for combat.

I'm also not sure why you would care about strictly castrated single builds at all, really. Everything can and should be trained eventually. Even if you main something specific.
Like magic is useful for healing on all characters, martial arts can be useful for ranged characters due to Clear Mind at 100, off styles can be useful for when brainwashed of your equipment, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21731483
Not that anon, but sometimes you just want to do limited/meme builds.
Hell after I tried a no spellbook run I find using the magic system less fun and just use magic device and special acts.

[Anonymous No.]

I started to wonder about anything special happening when you talk enemies down with the new talking skills, but then I rechecked the changelog
>If the target is the player, a pet, a unique NPC, or [an NPC with a special conversation window like a shopkeeper], it will commit suicide, dropping monster parts, corpse, and figures.
Well at least you can literally talk the final boss into committing suicide, like in Arcanum. The player part is a bit alarming, is there going to be some really slick monster that convinces you to sudoku?

[Anonymous No.]

OK I've seen it for the first time now. That was pretty funny

[Anonymous No.]

my face when

[Anonymous No.]

heeeeeeeelp what should I do with this living weapons
a lightsabre, a longstaff, a laser gun, a bow blade, a riffle. I have no idea what should I do since I play MA.

should I make gene with mutant and give them to my offspring?

what good attribute to put on them ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21734199
Resist stick ranged weapon

[Anonymous No.]

>>21734199
No pets?

[Anonymous No.]

Can you sell evo hearts in your shops? I was planing on farming king pieces for it, but I don't remember if you could do so.

[Anonymous No.]

If I eventually evolve my little girl into a witch, how does her AI change? i.e. is it bad to have her wearing heavy armor and doing melee attacks while she's still in her first class? Should I swap her to light armor and give her a gun or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21734201
any idea what ele I should resist?
>>21734531
have some pets but they too quick to die, and their speed cant match mine. im using riding tho


so i play golem MA with riding. also I dabbing on necromancy

[Anonymous No.]

Accidentally converted Mani's altar to Kumiromi at truce ground and now I need it, what should I do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21735745
Well, if you haven't converted the cyberdome altar, that one should be Mani's. Otherwise, you have to run through dungeons and hope you find one by chance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21735745
Convert to Mani at the Cyber Dome, return to the Truce Grounds and pray at the altar. Or reinitialize the area if you don't mind minor cheating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21734199
Resist or stat stick in the ranged slot, for yourself.
Use them or save them for later use on a pet, mutant or otherwise.
Use them or save them for later use on a mutant gene, or even if you decide to just switch styles to play with without any gene.

Good attributes for offensive damage are straight magic damage for simplicity, ice damage for max damage when debuffed with wet/scar(But a chance to destroy items), or lightning for slightly lesser damage than ice but still good with wet/scar(Zero item destruction chance)

Good attributes for resistances are whatever you're missing.
I'd say fire>ice>magic>lightning>else, personally. Cover the item destruction stuff first, then magic because it resists heavy hitting attacks like MP burst and Converge Breath, then lightning for if you get wet/scarred.

Critical chance is usually not worth a slot on any living weapon at all whatsoever, since 250ish Eye of Mind and garoked ammo can cap that boost.
Same with Absolute Pierce chance. Mostly because it's better to get that from artifact fusion. Though it may be tolerable on a far offhand living weapon for mutants, artifact fusion would still technically be better if possible due to higher limits.

You should probably Equipment Update the rifle into a laser gun if you're going to use it as a weapon at all.
But besides that they're probably all okay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21735780
>>21735785
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21735457
You can get 10 different resists. Definitely get some magic resist, probably chaos since I find that harder to find normally. I don't know man just choose each resist once since the first time you add something to a living weapon is the biggest bonus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21736042
>since the first time you add something to a living weapon is the biggest bonus
Not since E+1.67, I believe. Now it should be free from RNG and tiers like that.
Every level should 200 enc resists in most elements, or 100 in magic.
To show that, this was my resistance stick for a while (+100 lightning from diamond).

[Anonymous No.]

>>21736422
Oh that changes some things, thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>21735802
>>21736422
>>21736042
Thanks gotta try making resist stick first. im completely vulnerable to mind damage atm.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21735802
I heard lot of enemies resist elements later in the game, should I concerned about this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21736422
how to make numbers appears on the [###] (xxx) thing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21737016
Get Objet of Heart in act2, enable the Tweak.
I wish it wouldn't require that item, and in Vanilla Custom or omake versions it doesn't, but whatever. Fair balance in hiding information I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21737007
Only a little bit. Around the time you're deep void diving, enemies will indeed resist pretty much anything and your living weapons (which your entire party should have) do far less damage with an element instead of pure magic damage. However, if you go all in on an element, you will still inflict status effects and be able to exploit weaknesses. A full chaos weapon can inflict lots of different ailments on every hit, nether can heal you, sound for confusion, lightning can outdamage magic if you wet enemies etc. So there's an upside. All of this is very late game though

[Anonymous No.]

>>21737122
Thousands of hours in the game and this is the first I'm hearing that nether has life steal

[Anonymous No.]

Hey guys, if your character only has two hands, can you get your extra attack chance high enough that you're guaranteed roughly 8 attacks per turn? I ask because my main character has an extra hand but his dual wield skill is starting to get so high that I'm starting to feel like he'd be maxing out on extra attacks anyway, which seems like it would defeat the purpose of tri-wielding weapons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21737623
I've only done math on unarmed martial arts, which is a special case, but I remember it takes a ton of +furthermore to even get up to like an 85% chance of 8 attacks.
Anyway, if you're using three weapons, shouldn't you be aiming for your limit of 12 attacks?

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any 18+ ero mods? I want to do it with my girl companion

[Anonymous No.]

>>21737862
In base Elona Plus there is already sex through hugging a character to bed, a party member at high relationship status who has a sleep sheep joining you in bed, and prostitution. The first two lead to a text minigame with options to bring both partners ''to the limit''. There are no lewd pictures. You can rewrite the text as you'd like in the talk txt. file and add your own pictures by replacing files in the graphic folder. Protip: you can hug unwilling participants and enemies to bed, for enemies you need to beat them up with Knockout first. There is extra flavor text when you engage in a snuggle with a struggle

[Anonymous No.]

>>21737974
>a text minigame with options to bring both partners ''to the limit''.
That's a completely different thing called Evochat, which you can put your own pictures into supposedly, though I've never bothered with that.
Sleep sharing and gene making don't bring up Evochat at all. It just gives a chance for a meal and equipment production.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21737995
You seem to be confused. Evochat has nothing to do with what anon was talking about. That's accessed by talking to your pet.
Sleep sharing is automatically started if one of your pets has a sleep sheep and is at a certain relationship threshold or if you force someone to bed. It has nothing to with breakfast or equipment production either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21737995
You are mistaken, I was talking about initiating sleep sharing by hugging a character when standing on a bed. Because sleep sharing revolves specifically about sex. I was not talking about Evochat. From the line you quoted it sounds like you're disagreeing about sleep sharing being the text minigame about going to the limit, but I'm guessing you're referring to that you can only change the one BG picture that's used there (bg_night), but you can change a bunch in evochat (face_[number]E-H).

[Anonymous No.]

>>21738032
>>21738053
Oh, there's a minigame for that? I thought evochat was the only one with actions to take the pet to the limit and stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21738058
Try it out sometime. Either squeeze a beloved pet when sleepy and standing on a bed, give them a sleep sheep and wait for it to happen randomly, or beat some unfortunate creature unconscious and drag them to bed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21737122
Does anyone know if the amount of elemental damage has anything to do with the odds of landing an ailment? If not then it seems to me that everything should have a little bit of chaos damage thrown in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21737704
I thought it was limited to 8 regardless of hands? Am I mistaken or was there a change recently? Because that'd be awesome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21738171
I'm certain that the ailment chance is directly based on element power. I think the calculations are on the wiki under the elements page. If you only have one pip of chaos, you can bet that you'll never land an ailment on void monsters. I recall this question being looked into by anons way back because otherwise it'd be such an obvious shortcut. You can see this in action in the mid game, with monsters using elemental attacks seldom if ever landing any ailments on you and vice versa if there's a high resist to the element. Personally I tried making a living weapon with as many elements as possible. It was garbage because the piddly amount of power doesn't even get through the resist, let alone have a chance in hell of applying a status. I think you need to go all in.

[Anonymous No.]

Very nice advice on living weapons, did my first laser gun couple days ago and apparently it's shitty.
Going to level a better one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21738198
>limited to 8 regardless of hands
That's for the special case of martial arts. The limit is 3 additional attacks (for a total of 4) per weapon, unless you're doing a martial arts attack and have no shield equipped, in which case the limit is 7 (for a total of 8). You can check *act_melee and *act_attack yourself if you want; search for "attacknum" and "extraattack".

[Anonymous No.]

>>21739227
Thank you sir, I wasn't aware of this. Definitely going to keep the extra arm attached now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21738235
That's too bad, thanks for sharing your expertise.

>>21738198
To my knowledge the limit has always been 4 hits per hand, even back in vanilla. You could potentially do 12 attacks per round while triple wielding. That's a big part of why people like to run multi-hand builds.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone know if there's any new places to farm coffins for necromancy? I looked at the most recent guide but I was still curious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21745028
You can dig into walls in the grave dungeons and find them now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21745028
Dig walls in graveyard dungeons
Steal respawnable coffin in Palmia/Luminest/Mages guild
Invest in furniture vendors
Reuse old Necromancy coffins
Tuwen's and Izzle's dungeons will give you a lot of coffins for starters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21746411
>Reuse old Necromancy coffins
I wasn't aware you could do that. Do they count for the fusion recipe?

[Anonymous No.]

I just found out that in oomSEST if you bet 5 chips in blackjack, you can win 5 potions of cure corruption at once. Pretty convenient!

[Anonymous No.]

>>21749974
thanks anon, very cool

[Anonymous No.]

What is the best offensive magic spell throughout the entirety of the game?

[Anonymous No.]

draw shadow vs cure bleeding bit, what's the better one of these two?
I want to use a pet with the punishment special action, but I can't decide between the god moth or god cobra.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21752743
Even if the pet is melee, I prefer it using shadowstep because it will move to engage the enemy instead of bringing a potential threat near you. You can give it shadowstep through AP by selecting tactical attack, though if you're not using custom AI you'll need to reduce movement chance through AP as well so that there's a percentage of the time the pet will use shadowstep instead of moving towards the enemy (usually melee NPCs with no special abilities always try to move into melee range first and so wouldn't use shadowstep if you gave it to them).

Anyway I'd pick cure bleeding bit

[Anonymous No.]

>>21752809
I see, thanks dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21752743
>cure bleeding bit
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Crimson_Plate

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Do you guys know if you can get the corresponding ether desease for a limb that you don't have? Was thinking of making a really meta character with no foot slots, then purposely trying to get the "your feet become hooves" symptom for a free speed boost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21753748
Yep, that's one of the main benefits of rolling snail/mutant builds. You get to have only the limbs you need, and the ether diseases for the limbs you don't are free.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21729884
>I'm still here. Future's still uncertain, but everything's more or less stable for now, and I'll maintain Custom-G for as long as I possibly can.
Does that mean you plan to make a 1.90 Custom G release even with no 1.90 for Custom?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21757124
Actually, I've been trying to assemble Custom 1.90.1 by hand, as proof-of-concept for my "decompile 1.89 and 1.90 and merge the changes into Custom" theory. It's roughly halfway done.
It's a fair amount of work, and I'm expecting most of my free time to evaporate at some point down the line, so I really hope BloodyShade hands the reins (and whatever tools he was using) over to someone else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21731122
>that one single reward
w-what? Is this something obvious I've probably gotten or something obscure?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21758364
Sweet.
Did you take E+1.89 and E+C1.89.1, and try to diff/merge the changes between those into 1.90 straight as is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21758394
No, I've been merging the changes between 1.89 and 1.90 into 1.89.3, and adding new "constants" (like ITEM_ID_GOUTEN and ACTION_TUIN_DER_LUSTEN) as needed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21758378
He means the Necromantis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21758449
>ACTION_TUIN_DER_LUSTEN
That's Dutch for ''garden of desires'', why the hell would anybody use Dutch in their code, our language is gay as fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>21758906
As near as I can tell, Ano added some weird new spact that initiates sex with a drunk NPC (almost completely identical to just talking to them to have sex, except the action speed is based on your speed instead of being a semi-random fixed value?) and named it after some weird painting thing, and for whatever reason the English name of the painting wasn't used. I haven't gotten far enough in yet to know what has the spact, or if the player can learn it, or what its exact effects are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21759216
If it works on your pets, you can finally roleplay drunken wife banging. I get it now though, Bosch was a 15th century Dutch painter so it's the original name of the painting. You'd think that an action that makes all the NPCs on the screen fuck would be more appropriate for this name

[Anonymous No.]

Partial changelog for 1.91 is available.
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:30736
>The number of hands now gives a percentage increase bonus to critical rate when wielding a two-hand weapon. (No bonus when wielder only has 1 hand; bonus maxes out at 4 hands.)
This seems nice.
>Changed the accuracy of Martial Arts attacks so that it is on par with weapon attack accuracy. However, this accuracy now also has a percentage bonus depending on the number of hands. (No bonus when user only has 1 hand; bonus maxes out at 4 hands.)
uhh
>Increased the base damage dice for Martial Arts and also the rate at which the dice increase with skill level. It would be too broken if the dice increase up to skill level 2000, so they cap out at skill level 550. All in all, the damage cap is lower but is reached more easily.
uhhhhh

[Anonymous No.]

>>21758449
Well, that works too. Probably easier than resolving conflicts.
>30k+ line additions 20k+ line subtractions 1.89>1.90
Good luck and godspeed. That's a pretty huge change to dig through.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21760121
>It would be too broken if the dice increase up to skill level 2000, so they cap out at skill level 550. All in all, the damage cap is lower but is reached more easily.
Hahahahaha. Hella nerf the high end grind out of MA.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21760123
A lot of those are just the decompiler giving the same function different labels, thankfully.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21758364
You're a true hero.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21760133
Yeah I noticed. Decompiled code is never consistent or easy to work with.
Still a lot to dig through, even if it's less actual work. Good on you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21760121
Ano really loves MA and hates DW. The 2H change is good at least. Gives you a reason to keep your second hand, opens up a few more builds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21760121
>Increased base armour pierce for Martial Arts from 5% to 15%. Decreased the rate at which armour pierce increases with Martial Arts skill level.
>The cap of 50% armour pierce remains the same.
>This and the previous changes should make Martial Arts viable right from early game, and also stronger throughout the game until damage is capped.
I am dumb so I don't know just how big a change this all is but is sounds nice

>Armour pierce of weapons will now also increase with weapon skill levels - though at a lower rate than armour pierce from Martial Arts skill.
>Armour pierce of weapon skills that have a lower base armour pierce will increase more quickly with skill levels.
>This is so that low pierce weapons don't become irrelevant in late game where the difference in damage dice between weapon types becomes negligible.
Now this sound really nice!

[Anonymous No.]

>>21751984
meteor?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21760179
Not exactly the best for general use through the entirety of the game, since gaining stocks is limited to wonder scrolls and dreams.
Pretty sure stock use drops off at higher levels so it might be viable to focus on in the end game. Once you have thousands and thousands of stocks on hand already and countless vendors for scrolls anyway. But until then it's quite situational.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21760169
If MA's damage gets capped at a fraction of what it was before, is it no longer the ultimate godslayer fighting style?
More importantly, what's that stuff about needing hands to have accuracy? Is my kung-fu dragon waifu going to be nerfed into oblivion?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21760121
>Defeating an enemy with a higher Speed attribute will now award a small amount of Speed experience.
>This is also awarded to the tag partner if applicable, and to the player if it was a summoned undead that defeated the enemy. This does not apply in the Void, nor does it apply to monsters that were summoned or split.
>Food no longer give Speed experience depending on their +enhance value. >Instead, they will give Speed potential depending on the +enhance value.
>This Speed potential is given to both the player character and the pet when sharing a meal.
Is this a good thing?

[Anonymous No.]

Honestly, I think martial arts should be viable from the get go, but get progressively worse than others as time goes on.
For incentive to move onto getting actual weapons with attributes and invokes, or enhances spells stuff for magic.
I like multiclassing at certain points of falloff, and Martial Arts would be nice as a quick patchup skill to get early characters off the ground before getting items.
And I don't like the memetic factor of martial arts being stronger than others when strictly focused on. Makes it feel almost pointless to get and use weapons, despite finding awesome weapons being such glorious fun.

But that's specific to my playstyle, and certainly not worth balancing an entire game over.
>>21760202
I think, depending on how well it works, it could be a good thing.
Decoupling food, particularly herbed in herbs from strict levelling for something like speed, means the player has to actually play with combat to be faster for combat.
But it's also definitely worse for pacifist pussies.
>This does not apply in the Void, nor does it apply to monsters that were summoned or split.
This, however, is not good at all whatsoever. It unbalances the progression when grinding The Void or facing high level summoners (Like Challenge/Panic Zombie Queens). So that you'd still level other skills but get cockblocked out of speed, which you'd normally get from herb/food but cannot anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21760202
I kind of like the idea of food giving potential rather than EXP. It does cut off an early-game way of raising your Speed, though. Post-Zeome you've got AP and Kumiromi statues/herb seeds/herbed food, but now the only pre-Zeome way to grind SPD would be to start quantum creature ranches.

>>21760241
>which you'd normally get from herb/food but cannot anymore
dude, it's not talking about the herb bitflag
have you never eaten a potato+12 or whatever grown on your farm and gained a point of speed from it

[Anonymous No.]

>>21760287
Oh. If the herb bitflag is entirely unaffected then it wouldn't change much.
There are plenty of early monsters with higher speed than your average character, so it might even be a buff to speed gains on anything besides pacifist builds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21760197
It really depends on what he does with it. If he lowers the maximum damage by a lot then martial arts will just be more or less the same as weapons, which is fine if boring. Empty-handed MA's 8 attacks will still probably beat DW's 8 attacks by a wide margin, and shields/claws/tonfa MA will still probably be a solid combination of offense and defense. And the downside is only relevant super late game. For most of a playthrough this is sure to be a big buff to MA.

The text says that the base accuracy martial arts will be on par with weapons and adding hands will increase it further, so if that's accurate I wouldn't worry too much about it even on a handless MA user.

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>>21760178
>Armour pierce of weapons will now also increase with weapon skill levels - though at a lower rate than armour pierce from Martial Arts skill.
>Armour pierce of weapon skills that have a lower base armour pierce will increase more quickly with skill levels.
>This is so that low pierce weapons don't become irrelevant in late game where the difference in damage dice between weapon types becomes negligible.
I wonder if going above 100% pierce with weapon and weapon skill combined will let you nullify some of the enemy's pierce resistance? If it does then lightsabers are still top tier and might even be able to stand up to late game MA now. It sounds like the pierce bonus is based on weapon skill rather than your specific weapon type, so claymores will probably suffer for sharing the same type as lightsabers. Depending on how much bigger the effect is for weapons with low natural pierce, I could see stuff like hammers becoming the weapon of choice for strong damage dice early on and competitive pierce later.

Maybe it'll eventually all end up maxing out at the same amount and your weapon choice won't matter.

>>21760202
>Defeating an enemy with a higher Speed attribute will now award a small amount of Speed experience.
This is what he should have done right from the start instead of that goofy AP system. Making it not apply in the void is really stupid. Why is that worse than panic quests and awakened nefia? Making it not apply to summons is stupid too, but that ship sailed long ago.

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>>21760241
>Honestly, I think martial arts should be viable from the get go, but get progressively worse than others as time goes on.
MA should do less damage than weapons in exchange for having better defense. Being able to do competitive damage while dual shielding is a serious benefit, and tonfas are extremely good too.

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>>21760591
For that case I'd say shields should give a penalty to offence, honestly. Not a large one, just a notable one.
Like dual wield style can use shields too, with 3+ hands. And that essentially gets a penalty for simply not having another weapon. So balance MA+Shields around that.

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>>21760603
MA already loses four extra attacks if it equips a shield, what more do you want?

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>>21760612
I'd want that penalty to stack for multiple shields, tonfas aside. And give a small accuracy penalty too, because aiming around shields is not easy.

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>>21760603
Multihanded DW with shields is good but weapon + weapon + shield will lose to tonfa + tonfa + shield in both offense and defense. Hand slots being superior to all other slots is an issue, but a separate one from MA being the king of both attacking and defending. If hand slots weren't as good, the best build would just be handless MA instead (which is still very good).

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>>21760618
Beating people to death with shields is badass and should be encouraged.

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>>21760627
Indeed it should. But through shield bashing skill or at least blunt, rather than martial arts.

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>these changes
I just want sword and shield to have a niche that makes you think 'yeah, that would be fun to try' rather than 'oh, this objectively does nothing good for me'

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>>21760635
I'm on board. Make the shield skill a weapon skill. Would help get MA under control and would fix this >>21760641 issue as well.

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>Normal food doesn't give speed exp but gives speed potential
>Every enemy faster than you will train your speed when defeating them
>Herb bit is unaffected, you still get speed from that
This sounds amazing, now you can start with a snail or any of the numerous other slow races and murder your way up to normal speed by absorbing your enemies' speed like a highlander. Like getting faster reactions from life or death situations or something. Also if you have a pet build, the slowest members of your cute girl squad will start speeding up as soon as they get geared up and start murdering average-above average speed creatures. Biggest impact early game, and for characters that are slow to begin with. Helps you get up to par in a more fun manner than just eating and encourages you to seek out stronger (=usually faster) enemies

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Goblin run act 1 win

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new thread ?

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>>21763503
Nah. These threads even last on page 10 for hours and there is no need to have stray threads floating around.
When one Elona thread actually dies THEN you make one.
That's how it goes.

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>>21761990
good job

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>>21766703