DJT — Daily Japanese Thread #2201

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Guide: https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/
Old guide: https://djtguide.neocities.org/
Old thread:
>>21604951

Word of the day: 博士

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>>21614282
あなたは自分の人生には不満や無意味さを感じてるからといって
みんなもそうな訳ないんだよ？
心の底から満足してる人は死なんて気にしてないんだよ
でも満足感がなくて普段悩んでる人が割と多いので
同感してないけど
あなたはなぜそんなこと言い張ってるか分かる
そういう風に考えても自由だから、どうぞ :)

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参る 【まいる】
[vi,v5r] to go; to come; to call
[vi,v5r] to be defeated; to collapse; to die
[vi,v5r] to be annoyed; to be nonplussed
[vi,v5r] to be madly in love
[vi,v5r] to visit (shrine, grave)

wat is it with words that have so many multiple completely different meanings.

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俺の妹好きが

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>>21614409
俺の言うことを理解するに必要な知恵が備えていないということ
悩むことはない
年を取って、知恵を重ねるのだ
真実を見極めた時また話しかけるがいい

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>>21614453
it's efficient

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>>21614488
>年を取って、知恵を重ねるのだ
年を取ってもずっと無知で生きて行く人間が多い :)
おじさんだからといって全て分かる訳無いんだ
あなたは「知恵」と思っても、ただの絶望である可能性もある〜

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>>21614453
Yeah, don't know why english does it too

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>>21611884
Finisher of long VNs here (recently did Baldr Sky in about a week), you really shouldn't take breaks to read other things unless you're fine dropping the work. Momentum is important and every day you spend away from it is a day you become less attached to the story, forget more details about the plot, etc. It gets harder to go back and eventually it'll feel like trying to climb into an old set of shedded skin. It'll also be demotivating in the sense that you'll be like "damn I started X months ago and I'm still not done".

Basically, only start something new to "take a break" if you're fine having a worse time with the original work, don't mind dropping it, and are fine with stretching out how long it takes to finish.

That said, if you're an uber beginner with a fucking slow ass reading speed, dropping long works is probably good for your motivation since you don't want to end up like that guy who took 1 full year to read flyable heart.

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everyone below this line is a dekinai

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>>21614453
参るの由来・語源

上一段活用動詞「まゐる」に「いる（入る）」の付いた「まゐいる」が音変化して「まいる」となったもの。「まゐる」は宮廷や神社な高貴な人のところなど、多くの人が集まる尊貴な場所へ行くこと。「いる」はある建物や場所など、一定の区域の外から内部へ進み入ること。したがって、「まいる」は、宮中や神社などに参入する、というのが原義。

それから、高貴な人のところへ参上する、何かを持って参上するなど、その人物の動作のおよぶ相手に対する敬意を表現するようにもなった。

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>>21614635
wrong I'm so good at japanese that I understood this whole song. How about you ? How much have you studied japanese and how much of this can you understand ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIscL-Bjsq4

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>>21614708
I'm German, so I understand the title. Get fucked

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>>21614747
t. Quizmastard

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>>21614757
I'm not autistic so no

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hello

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i started timing my input yesterday and i got roughly 6 hours, including watching raw anime, reading VN's, and reading online articles and message boards in japanese
i only timed things i gave my full attention to; didn't count passive input
just by timing it i felt way more motivated to not get distracted by other mindless shit like i usually do
and i actually had lots of fun and loved the articles i found
i'm really happy i tried that
gonna keep doing this for a while till i form a habit of getting lots of input each day instead of wasting all that time theorycrafting and browsing useless sites like DJT

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>>21614781
word of the day : 洋梨

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>>21614590
thanks for the reply ill take your advice and just keep reading it though unless i get bored.
it's just kind of crazy when you're reading for days on end and you only finish the prologue into the 1st chapter and you see there are like 13 chapters in total.
i don't read at a beginners pace but i do look up every new word/grammar or word im unsure about which does slow me down sometimes.
there is the point though that the longer you read a book the less new words you run into so there is that to look forward to as well

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>>21614590
>That said, if you're an uber beginner with a fucking slow ass reading speed, dropping long works is probably good for your motivation since you don't want to end up like that guy who took 1 full year to read flyable heart.
if u spend that long on one vn without droppin it its cuz ur tellin urself thats what ur supposed to read but u hate it so much that ur spendin days or weeks not readin anything at all
and thats the real problem
it doesnt matter if its long it matters if it doesnt motivate u to open it up every day and read more
maybe ur more likely to lose that excitement if its long and u read slow but maybe that just happens cuz when people read slow they pick shitty vns that are "easy" and they were never excited in the first place lol

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俺は約束を守る男だ

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>>21614966
Christ, you sound barely literate

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>>21614973
i type in mentalese u wouldnt understand
i can write up a resume if u want proof of my native level eigo

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what are the fundies of nipponese

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>>21614966

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>perfection doesn't exi-

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>should be practicing and doing grammar exercises
>just goofing off on pixiv sketch instead

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>exercises
u tryin to get some muscles dude? lol

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>>21614828
Good job anon! I find that paying attention to the amount of time I spend doing things, particularly on the internet, makes me way more productive. Even when it's time spent dicking around I enjoy it more when it's 30 minutes of actively having fun instead of hours mindlessly refreshing threads.

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>>21615074
itiban tuyoi ni naritai

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>>21615063
that's hot anon

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>copy 令 into jisho
>it turns into pic related
Fascinating.

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>>21615111
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E4%BB%A4#Translingual

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あたしはやくそくをたがえぬおんなだ

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>>21615063
shes like 7 years old...

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>>21615171
she's actually an ageless and immortal god who has existed for hundreds or thousands of years

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>tfw no qt3.14RichPrivateSchoolgf
Learning Japanese is truly suffering when I get a daily reminder of this.

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tfw no nympho nojaloli goddess waifu
why live

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygjh5UWKPqI

finally about to master こと

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those fucking homophones are fucking killing me AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

...but I will never give up. NEVER!

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>>21615403
how are they killing you? they're good
just use them to help you remember them

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Jav plots are fucking great. Imagine passing out because your big sister sucked you dry, and then when you finally wake up from the couch in the living room. Your little sister is already sucking you.

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lol why evern have ur own number system if ur just gonna use arabic ones anyway

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listening to a japanese podcast while i jack off to hentai

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Im going to be away from the computer for the day, does anyone know where I can eat raw manga online

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有効な警告

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Making a Diy fly trap
Stupid flies getting into my house in summer

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>>21615515
lhscan.net

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qmことdekinai

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Alcohol is so fucking shit. Even getting drunk once per year is too much, FUCK

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>>21615672
found the lightweight

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>>21615063
kys disgusting pedo shitbag

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>>21615680
I wish. I get no hangover and never throw up, my issue is I don't like the feeling of being drunk.

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>>21615681
no you kys

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>>21615681
reddit is that way

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>>21615704
haha not being a pedo is reddit xD

kys revolting, worthless pedo scum

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>mental performance altering drugs
good to know I'll make it while these normans will never learn japanese

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Get with the times loser nobody uses 'xD' anymore. It's 'xd'

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>>21615713
it's a drawing you brainlet

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Just failed 名指し while immersing. Should I give up now?

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you guys listening to a podcast or sumething? what's with all these out of context posts?

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>>21615672
I don't drink alcohol any more since I started with Japanese last year. It messes up my retention.

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i'm 26 and i've never had alcohol but my dad gets violent when he's drunk so i probably never should

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>>21615780
Weed is better in every conceivable way anyways.

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>>21615794
never had that either because it disgusts me

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420 blaze it dood

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>>21615794
Not for everyone. Every time my brother smokes, everybody who knows him can tell it. He becomes paranoid and retarded as fuck for at least 2 weeks from that moment.

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>>21615794
>Weed
Japan will hate you.

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>>21615816
Yeah, fair point
>>21615832
Not like I'm going there anyways plus it's not an issue to not smoke weed if I were to go

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>>21615681
>>21615713
Anti-pedos are the least intelligent people on the planet.

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>>21615780
smart move, if only I could go back in time and tell myself to never drink, weed on the other hand is like a month of meditation packed into a joint, I'd tell myself to smoke it even more

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>>21615816
yea true it's technically not an upper or downer but a hallucinogen so to each his own. I've seen it trigger a friends schizophrenia to where they were no longer coherent and needed mental health treatment, meanwhile me and everybody else can smoke all day and just relax

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I just want to say i want to try Quizmaster Anki method but with JRPG, planning to try with Zero no Kiseki Evolution because it is fully voiced and my favorite series.

Please play kiseki series it is great

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>38 unseen cards left in mining deck
fugg

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havent made a new card in days

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>>21615869
Put I don't have a PS vita

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I never needed a ps vita or a psp in my whole life nor did I ever wanted one but now that I started learning japanese I feel like I should absolutely buy one

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podcast on the go > playing vns on a small screen on the go

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膣、子宮、卵管、卵巣、女性器、陰核（クリトリス）、尿道口、小陰唇、大陰唇、膣前庭、膣口（会陰のすぐ上）

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https://youtu.be/2YEQ0dizdg8
Is this an Ubuntu tranny?

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>>21615945
>ein
I remember I only mined this 2 years into my studies

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>>21615945

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>>21615948
You'll have a prob with me if you have a prob with my ニューハーフ crowd

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>>21615945
Thanks. Never actually seen one because JAV censors them and my gf won't let me look

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>>21615780
get drunk and beat your dad within an inch of his life so that worthless faggot will never drink again. works like a charm.

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>>21615987
he'd beat the shit out of me though.

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>>21615984
>my gf

get out of 4chan and forget about learning japanese normiefag

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I want to switch to Linux, but I'm afraid my eroges will get fucked.

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>go to japan
>see cute 3.14
>become koibitotati
>*fast forward to le sexy time*
>see omanko
>モザイク
wat do?

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>>21616004
>chinchin turn into モザイク too
>Let the pixels do their japanese witchcraft
>Nine months later cute 3.14 gives birth to a halfu

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>>21616004
take off vr helmet and kys

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>>21615992
then get fit or get a baseball bat or brass knuckles. anything works as long as he will be bedridden for the next 1-2 months.

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I want to play while reading. Does anyone have recommended games, preferably something more modern?

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>>21615993
>normiefag
It's normalfag, frogposter.

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>>21616027
i think baldr sky has some gameplay in it you can try that. people around here read it a lot

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>>21616027
Sengoku Rance, Eiyuu Senki, Baldr Sky or Neptunia Games if you like moeshit all have a lot of reading AND gameplay moments

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>>21616048
>>21616027
also disgaea and this one is absolutely amazing so you could give it a try

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hello everyone

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Hello baby, lots of love of love baby come live with me.

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Does anyone know if Heisigs revisions in newer editions of RTK only consist of adding new Kanji (if he's not messing with the order or something), cuz I've been reading through the 4th edition of RTK, but the only Anki decks I can find on it are for the 6th edition. And now I'm too far in, and I don't want to start over again looking for new kanji in the newer book

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https://video.fluentcards.com/ works like shit in firefox. i hate how more and more sites are only developing for chrome

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any you fellas planning on actually living in japan? or at least visiting in near future?

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>>21616178
there is an official list for 4th edition users that adds the kanji added in 6th edition.
https://nirc.nanzan-u.ac.jp/en/files/2012/12/RK1-Supplement.pdf

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>>21616194
for me it's this distant idea in my mind that'll probably never happen. i might go visit as a tourist in a few years but as far as living there, I don't really want to work as a dancing monkey in some shitty school in a village and it's hard to find work with foreign companies if you aren't in IT/programming. and the alternative of working for a japanese company (provided I ever actually become fluent in this language) doesn't sound appealing either.

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>>21616194
definitely not. what's the point? the west is better if you can avoid diverse areas.

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>>21616215
it's safe and healthy and some people like the culture

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>>21616226
people like the """"culture'""" though. what they like isn't usually reflective of what the culture actually is

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>>21616226
anime does not represent japanese culture in general. most westerners would not enjoy actual japanese culture

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>>21616232
how long have you lived in japan for?

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>>21616238
i watched anime and read manga since i was 10 so it's like i've lived in japan my entire life

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>>21616238
a year

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>>21616246
what are some of the things you were soured by culturally?

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>>21616004
インストールジェンツー

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用向き

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>>21616253
nothing major really because im the type of person that does a fuckton of research before committing to anything, especially something as big as moving to a different country. i didnt expect it to be like an anime or for people to worship the ground i walk on because im white or anything like that. it's just a regular country with it's pros and cons like any other. one thing that got old was being treated as a circus attraction because i'm half a head taller than most people there. i also found it hard to tell if my japanese "friends" actually gave a shit about me or if they just hung out with me cause im a foreigner, they wanted to practice english, whatever. didnt help that my japanese was even more ass at the time than it is now. but that's just the way it is, you'll never stop being an outsider and considering the sheer level or retard that the average gaijin brings to the table i can't blame them.

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>>21616294
is is true that japanese girls have pixelated pussies?

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>>21616294
ok yeah that sounds pretty reasonable. i was wondering what you were getting at in the first place. like japan is some evil hell on earth waiting to force you to work to death or something. i mean like some ppl like the basic mannerisms and architecture and environment (when its not a natural disaster lol). of course its not a literal heaven on earth but id rather live in that culture than the one im in, probably a lot of other people feel that way too. then there are the ppl who read naruto and are like yes... japan... yes... but i dont think that's the majority

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>>21616322
>but i dont think that's the majority
you would be surprised at how many delusional, mentally ill weebs come there thinking its anime fantasy land. some of the alt's i met are the most cancerous people i've ever seen in my life
>>21616305
the two i saw werent

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>>21614660
>ゐ
What is the reason Japanese dropped ゐ and ゑ anyway?

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>>21616048
I really want to play sengoku rance but it has way too many kanji that I can't read, and bruteforcing it takes so much time

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>>21616544
hooking text and hovering over words for meaning doesn't take that long

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>>21616544
It's an amazing game tho, really funny, a good difficulty and great characters. Of course you won't enjoy it as much as if you played it in a language that you fully understand but if you want that type fo enjoyment you shouldn't play games in a foreign languages at all. Most of the time when I find a game too dificult I just try another one and after a few days of playing the easier game I come back to the difficult one and it feels pretty easy because I progressed without realizing it

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If you are trying to max out your nihongo then stop forcing everything through a 5% hole, let your unconscious absorb as much as it can

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>>21616677
yeah dude just listen to random audio that'll teach you nihongo lmao

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>>21616713
t. brainlet doesn't understand anything about neuroscience

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Many beginners at Japanese often ask where to start with Kanji. I don't think "Just do the Joyo 2 thousand with anki" is a good answer.
Just memorizing Kanji after kanji "tree" "employee" "shellfish" feels pointless, like it's happening in a vacuum.
For me it helped to start with basic vocabulary, common words that you will see every day in Japan. Even if the kanji are complex. for instance " 勉強”.
If you know these common words, how to pronounce them and what they mean, you can do very practical things like ask basic questions, read signs, and it feels real and applicable. Once you know that, I think that is the right time to start learning the Joyo Kanji. Then you will see kanji you already recognize from common words, and also you will be able to learn the meaning and pronounciation of words without having to look up in a dictionary.

So my advice for those who want to learn the kanji: Learn common vocab. Then start learning kanji after. Much more fun and much more satisfying. And you are learning even more like a Japanese person did when they were a kid.

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>>21616729
t. brainlet that pretends he does
neck ya self

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>>21616745
nobody said listen to random audio, you accidentally let your retardation show so shh

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>>21616729
私わ神経科学学生です，研究論文をください。

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>私わ

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>>21616677
It will always be conscious at first. You simply cannot learn like a toddler, just "unconsciously absorbing" the language (which toddler don't actually do, they have their parents being very attentive and holding their hand along the way teaching them how to talk).
You will learn everything consciously because it is your second language. Even when you are fluent you are conscious. You will think "I am going to speak in Japanese now", but of course many things will be ingrained in your mind, how to say what you want, where something is, who is doing what, etc. But you will learn all of these consciously. It is not bad, and you will be fluent one day. But don't believe scam companies like Rosetta Stone with their "immersion" bullshit. Learn like a student. Japanese kids learn their grammar and vocab too. They don't just "absorb" it through their "immersion"

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hello everyone

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>>21616787
>私わ神経科学学生です，研究論文をください。
no.
私は神経科学の学生です、研究論文ください。
it is は　not わ。
saying 学 twice is awkward so you should add の。
and the を　is not necessary.

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i just want you to know that i appreciate all of your shitposting as it gives me a place to have human interaction

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me too dude

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>>21616819
>it is は　not わ。
why?
>saying 学 twice is awkward so you should add の。
where?

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>>21616830
>>saying 学 twice is awkward so you should add の。
>where?
I am very dumb

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>>21616830
how did you even come up with that sentence if you're making questions like that

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>>21616844
I'm not >>21616787

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>>21616830
the particle (topic particle) is は。 it is just pronounced "wa" when it is used as a particle.
>神経科学学生です
that's where you used it twice. it's not necessarily wrong but it just rolls off the tongue uncomfortably.

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>>21616811
No you're wrong. There is a thing called implicit memory that skips consciousness all together.
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170172/
>language may be acquired implicitly, without the aid of any explicit instruction
>The studies discussed in the Section “Implicit Memory and Language” show that the implicit memory system plays an important role in acquiring the grammar, or rules, of language at all levels of linguistics structure

I don't know why people think that you have to try so hard to learn a language when kids do it on autopilot. You're consciousness can literally hinder it by monitoring it wrong.

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>>21616857
thanks for explaining, but not him and the "where" was "where do you put the の?", but I got it.

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>>21616875
you retard, interact with kids. they spend literally at least 5-7 years of their life basically being taught the language, they have shitton of time to watch shit and acquire more, they have native speakers at hand who they fucking talk to at least 5 hours every single day, who correct their mistakes and lead them in good direction. kids are NOT a fucking good example you inbred mongoloid, i know you are mentally at a level of a kid, but don't lump us in with u

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>>21616811
Funny and also wrong. You write with the perspecive of someone who never got fluent in a second language to begin with.

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just shut the fuck up and watch some anime

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>>21616906
>ad hominem
>anecdotes
thanks for the confirmation on my proven point and your inability to deal with reality

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>>21616922
you're just retarded, have fun being a dekinai

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>>21616931
More drivel.. sad. Keep forcing everything through your 5% dekinai hole

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>>21616931
His points may or may not be true but he is right in so far as your argumentation style really is trash lel

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>>21616945
>>21616946
nah you're just retards who never seen a kid grow up, maybe if you weren't genetic dead ends you would know lmao

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>>21616875
Well, okay, but you are not a kid, you are an adult, and as the article itself states adults have significantly reduced implicit memory. Even if a kid has learned a language this way, he or she will still make mistakes when talking and writing. I'm sure at some point in every Japanese person's childhood they have written ”私わ” or used the perfective aspect instead of the imperfective by mistake, only to be corrected by their teacher or their parent. Everybody learns the rules. Every Japanese speaker puts their head in a book at some point. Do you want a child's understanding of Japanese or an adult's? What is the point of endlessly searching for this or that magic "brain hack" that will teach you a language in a week? Just study the fucking language. I have been studying Japanese seriously since January, I haven't tortured myself with it I just do it an hour or two a day as a hobby. When I need some help with grammar I read some of Tae Kim's guide or I look it up on Google and I learn the rules. It is so easy and most of the time very straightforward. If I need vocab I look it up in the dictionary. Then slowly I commit it to memory. I can write a sentence like "今日はとても晩い起きました　元気がない" easily, without even thinking about it now. And I didn't have to listen to binaural beats while playing Japanese radio stations at 432khz to activate my pineal child language core brain. I just studied the language like everybody else.

You are driving yourself nuts trying to be lazy.

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Fuck you guys, I forgot to eat because I was immersing with eroges

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>>21616951
I raised two kids dummy. And yes I realize how bad their language skills are when they're young. I used to be you making the same argument on this thread. When you consider they're still learning how to even use their vocal cords and starting from absolute zero they're actually impressive. They barely even know how to think yet. It may be pretty slow to age 5 but they pick up really quick after that. 40k vocab by age 8 by some measures. You don't see kids trying with a sliver of the effort people do here or anybody acquiring an L2. I'm trying to save you wasted effort is all.

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>>21616963
I'm not sure what strawman youre arguing against but it's certainly no what people in here are saying or doing. Why are you so concerned with output mistakes when people here already focus on reading and listening first and foremost?

Why are you pretending people here believe you can learn it passively in a week? In fact people here have a very moderate outlook saying it takes at least 3 years with constant exposure to get somewhere decent.

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The only good way to learn nihongo is to memorize every "word of the day" !

Here is today's words mina-san : 先制攻撃

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>>21617003
got the reading right but didnt know what 先制 meant so didnt get the meaning, lame

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>>21617010
don't worry anon, guessing the reading is already pretty kakoi desu !

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そこまでだ！

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>>21616985
>40k vocab by age 8 by some measures.
How does this even help your case? lol. Most westerners can reach fluency in Japanese in 4 years. Not that it isn't cool how much children can learn in that time, but think about it. 8 years. 8 years of practice in a language you use literally at all times, 24/7. That's 12 hours of practice per day, just about. so 35,040 hours total of language learning. No I'm not surprised they get that skilled in that time, I'm just saying, average person who practice Japanese for at least an hour a day reaches fluency in four years. Just 1460 hours. that is 5% of the 35,040 hours of practice kids get. To me, that is way more impressive.

This "advanced child language brain" autism is so annoying, I even get it from normies trying to learn languages. Just forget about the fucking kids. Learn the language.

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If you're trying to be the next top dog retard persona, I guess you're having a fair shot at it. Got all the details right. Identifiable, obnoxious, opinionated and willing to post walls of text every 20 minutes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617036
>advanced child language brain
Literally said nothing like that, my point the whole time is that ANYBODY can do it, but you limit your absorption of input to your long term memory when you over analyze it. Krashen has spoken on this. You can do more harm than good in several ways. You can make it boring which will create a subconscious resistance and you can weaken the broader ability of the unconscious by over focusing. I'm not going to argue about it anymore because I've aired out all of my thoughts on it already.

[Anonymous No.]

why not just mine i+2 and be done twice as fast

[Anonymous No.]

I mine i^2. It's still going pretty slow but I expect to master the language within a month of reaching N4.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617066
I think I am misunderstanding you and I apologize, you just hit my hair trigger for "brain hacking" language which is a total scam.
I think we agree more than we disagree, like I said before about learning common vocab first rather than just starting with 一ニ三貝
IMO you should always learn by example, set out to write a sentence and then learn grammatically how to say it and what vocabulary is most useful. That keeps it fun and interesting. I think you should find a happy medium between the extremely technical ("memorize the joyo kanji and read tae kim's grammar guide start to finish") and the so-called immersion tactics that snake oil language teachers push ("just pay $30 a month to hear japanese people being asked random questions on the street and activate your unconscious bruh")

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617051
this, please put a name or trip on so i can filter you

[Anonymous No.]

>not doing 2^i
are you even trying?

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcoLEjZyujo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFdAKn3E1TI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jEduYomSaU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M365WN4OiUk
Here is a few quality ユーチューバー for you guys to eat, good subcon food

[Anonymous No.]

>>21615794
>Weed is better in every conceivable way anyways.
hell yeah this guy knows
alcohol is absolute trash, weed is 100x better
>>21615816
true but the same can be said about literally anything and especially alcohol. alcohol makes everyone retarded lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>21615832
>Japan will hate you.
fuck them lol
there's people who smoke weed in japan they just have to be veryyy careful
i hate that japan is so strict and biased against weed but anyone can buy alcohol at the fucking konbini for a dollar
most retarded shit ever

[Anonymous No.]

>>21615916
>I never needed a ps vita or a psp in my whole life nor did I ever wanted one but now that I started learning japanese I feel like I should absolutely buy one
i have both ^_^
both purchased while in japan
beautiful investments. sooo many fuckin VN's and other games especially for psp
psp was only 7000 yen or about 65 US dollars used

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617170
well psp can be easy emulated now but it's still impossible for ps vita so that's way I might buy one if I can. any good recommendations for psp games in japanese ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617124
Tricky part is opening up enough of the brain to start the easy absorption. I think that's why kids start to make the huge leap at age 4ish. Immersion does like 0.01% if you don't know anything but you'd be surprised what your brain learns when it knows a bit already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21616237
>anime does not represent japanese culture in general
i don't get why people say this, it actually does though in a lot of ways lol
there are probably 100s of things that i saw in anime before coming here that are normal parts of daily life
from little things like serving tea to guests esp mugicha in the summer, to kimonos during matsuri's,the types of food available and what they're called, how everything is laid out and looks in japan, including streets, shopping centers, cities, train stations, schools
obviously not the big tittied chicks holding guns aren't real lol
i mostly watched slice of life anyway and yeah it's pretty reflective of what a lot of their daily life and cultural aspects are like

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617211
wait i thought Japan was like all those Isekai shows, now I feel betrayed.

[Anonymous No.]

is there a list of the most common kanji used in all scenarios regardless of genre or can i just rely on jlpt level for that

[Anonymous No.]

>>21616232
>what they like isn't usually reflective of what the culture actually is
if you're talking about specifically anime and gaming etc, it's not like those subcultures aren't huge? since when does literally every person in a country have to like something in order for a subculture to be thriving
everyone in the west doesn't like videogames, yet if you wanted to meet people who did, converse, make friends etc it would be easy
and it's the same in japan with otaku subculture
not to mention the access you have to goods (manga, games, systems, collectibles, etc etc) is utterly huge, pretty much unlimited and very cheap in many places

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617229
Why would you need this? Do you plan on only learning a subset?

The truth is the JoJo Kanji are the most common ones and you'll see them everywhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617239
you either completely missed the mark in how you interpreted my post or are strawmanning me for some reason. "people" and "they" are referring to foreigners who come to japan, not japanese people.

regarding the post you made above, I noticed you didn't mention anything about how people interact and behave socially in anime vs irl, why is that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617256
i intended on learning some of the more common kanji before going into reading and learning the more specifc ones when i get into the genre theyre used in and just acquiring them that way

[Anonymous No.]

>>21616561
>Of course you won't enjoy it as much as if you played it in a language that you fully understand
not true for everyone. i actually find playing games in english boring these days. too easy
if i'm not learning new words and getting better at japanese along the way, gaming feels less satisfying. the language learning aspect adds another dimension to it
then again i'm at the point where i'm not looking up every sentence but more like every 10 to 30 so it's not very bothersome

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617229
do rtk

[moenigger No.]

huge kanji gain 殲

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617279
Learn as much of core decks as you can stomach instead. How do you even plan on learning these Kanji? Seems like you want to memorize a list. Don't waste your time trying to invent some new method and just do what the guide tells you. People who wrote this had at least some notion of what works and what doesnt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21616336
>you would be surprised at how many delusional, mentally ill weebs come there thinking its anime fantasy land
it's possible that they were delusional and mentally ill
it's also possible that they were just excited about having pretty much unlimited access to their favorite shit and exploring cool new places,
while you're a judgmental spoilsport with a stick up his ass and a superiority complex (a lot of weebs like to look down on other weebs to make themselves feel better)
not saying i know which one it is though!
just putting forward other possibilities

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617287
>rtk
That's already been disproven by some of the top linguists in their field (matt, yoga, etc)

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617256
jojo isnt entirely accurate it's got some fairly useless stuff in it like 栃 which you really dont need to know

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617285
yes of course it's fun and you can be really happy when you realize that you have learned some words or got a full sentence right without any external help. I think that what I really intended to say was that, while playing some games, especially visual novels, you will not fully understand the whole story, not appreciate the style and thus maybe not have as much fun as when you are reading something in a language you already know

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617317
didnt they do rtk

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617279
you should go into reading right away and focus more on understanding grammar patterns instead, things like anki and rtk for learning kanji/vocabulary are a waste of time when you can learn them through reading instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617331
and they said it didn't work. plus they have statistics from their followers

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617308
what's your issue dude? I hit a nerve or something? if you can read that statement, having lived in japan, and don't agree with it then i really don't know what to tell you. pic related is not an outlier for alts, there are people that are legit this retarded that come to japan. also, obviously im a fucking weeb, that's not what makes them bad inherently, it's the delusional, mentally ill bit that i wrote before that

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617349
then why did they shill rtk

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617355
more like kill rtk

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617229
Looks like you're more interested in vocab than Kanji. I use an app called Tango (picrel) which I like a lot. It's a word game and it makes you repeat just enough times to really drive it home. If you pay a few dollars, you can add the the Genki and JPLT decks which I find have the most common, everyday vocab that you'll see in anime all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617364
i thought they shilled it

[Anonymous No.]

>>21616922
the "research" you posted talks about children recognizing sequences in speech tones and divisions between word
that doesn't prove they pick up thousands of words and grammar points perfectly accurately and without any aid whatsoever
it just means some subtitles of the language (like tone and intent) are absorbed implicitly with exposure
which no one is arguing against
we're arguing about the BULK of language required to be a competent young adult
that takes lots of work and lots of help.

[moenigger No.]

>>21617355
patron bux

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617382
didnt u do rtk

[moenigger No.]

>>21617397
i replied to the wrong post

[Anonymous No.]

>>21616985
>40k vocab by age 8 by some measures.
i think this measure is EXTREMELY overblown and idk who the hell took it but it doesn't seem accurate at all
i've asked 10~11 year old japanese kids words that are well within 20k frequency and they had no idea

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617354
I think the people that end up like this are majority English native speakers. Somehow the convenience of English really fucks some of them up.

[moenigger No.]

hope japan is just like samurai champloo

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617211
I mean I lived there too for 5 years and I'll say it really depends on the anime. It's pretty much like slice of anime though when you're young. Might also depend on your location but it was totally like that where I was. I think most people don't actually want to live like that though and they think they do.

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck there already is muscle bars and cafes in Japan. Now how do I become an employee.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21615672
based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617354
hmm looks like i hit a nerve for you since i clearly said...
>not saying i know which one it is though!
>just putting forward other possibilities

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617354
and yes that person is stupid for they can get a job that involves so much interaction with japanese people, without speaking any japanese
but i don't see what that has to do with being a weeb lol there are stupid people like that everywhere

[Anonymous No.]

for thinking**

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617490
why did you leave japan? and why are you hear if you hate japan so much, as evident by leaving.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617524
>>21617538
dude it's easy to tell when someones a legit fucking loony and when they're just overly excited. are you having a laugh or something? i'm not even sure what your angle is, did you feel called out cause you're a weeb foreigner that loves living in japan? cool, more power to you, i was also a weeb foreigner living in japan. there are also a fuckton of retarded foreigners living in japan who may or may not (but usually are) be weebs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617273
>"people" and "they" are referring to foreigners who come to japan, not japanese people.
i... know that?
>regarding the post you made above, I noticed you didn't mention anything about how people interact and behave socially in anime vs irl, why is that?
what are you talking about lol i addressed social interaction
>if you wanted to meet people who did, converse, make friends etc it would be easy
and it's the same in japan with otaku subculture
i don't see why you'd expect me to draw comparisons between literal cartoon characters and regular human beings though? says a lot more about you if you'd expect them to be similar. do you expect your non-japanese gamer friends to act like characters from videogames?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617592
>i don't see why you'd expect me to draw comparisons between literal cartoon characters and regular human beings though?
the point is there aren't many, unlike what a lot of foreigners that come to japan think. you're just a complete moron dude, i'm gonna have an aneurysm if i have to reply to any more of your posts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617576
>dude it's easy to tell when someones a legit fucking loony and when they're just overly excited
not if you're a judgmental prick, which some people happen to be lol
people are called "mentally ill" on here just for having a different opinion, so no i wouldn't be surprised at all if some of you would label people mentally ill for *gasp* showing excitement in public

[Anonymous No.]

i just want a cute 2d girlfriend and to be able to understand them in their native language

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617604
>the point is there aren't many, unlike what a lot of foreigners that come to japan think
i have never met a foreigner who actually thinks people in japan behave like stereotypical anime characters
perhaps you believed that and now you're upset
>you're just a complete moron dude
you guys love to mindlessly dish out insults when people challenge your opinions lol just as i noted above

[Anonymous No.]

why are people who go to japan always so angry. you never see this from places like france. i blame illiteracy.

[moenigger No.]

[Anonymous No.]

i'm starting to learn that if you really do get a LOT of input (4 hours or more a day consistently), are diligent about looking up EVERYTHING you have doubts about, preferably use a monolingual dictionary for most things, AND make sure to "feel" the meanings of new things when you look them up rather than just glance at their meanings and move on,
you can make gains without anki

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617681
or just do 20 minutes of anki per day and get whatever benefits it offers

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617643
>>21617680
Chinatsu is worst girl by far. Yui-Kyoko is the absolute perfect couple and the manifestation of true love

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617643
>>21617680
do they ever hook up in the manga or what?

[moenigger No.]

>>21617688

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617538
There are people working in convenience stores in Japan that don't know any Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617686
i think it can create negative associations for people that could cripple some of their natural learning capabilities
also depends on your level though
for beginners i recommend anki because there's just too much you don't know still
for people who only come across 5~10 new words per chapter of manga, or every few pages of VN/LN, they're probably better off doing what i described

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617688
i like all girls from yuru yuri but if i had to pick worst i would prolly pick tizuru.

>>21617690
only ate first volume so cant say, but after i Finnish this vn im currently i will eat more of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21614394
I don't like this slut as our OP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617699
i've never run into one
and i've been to multiple konbinis with foreigners working the counter

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617703
I actually like her sometimes but I just hate how she is cockblocking 99% of Yui-Kyoko moments or how she is creating some kind of a weird love triangle. I mean anyone can see that Yui is obviously not in love with her but it's more ambiguous on Kyoko's side and that upset me

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617708
I ran into one last time I visited Tokyo. They didn't know Japanese or English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617711
but im going for kyoko-ayano match

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617704
Would you prefer Sakura?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617711
she's also a giant fuckin bitch to boot

[moenigger No.]

realistically this is how it's going to be
ayano x chitose
kyouko x yui
chinatsu x akari
You may not like it but this is the only result that works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617702
oh and i'm not against anki altogether for those people either
i'm still using it for words i know i've seen multiple times (at least 3 or more, not just one or two) but still can't remember
basically just to "catch" the words that slip through the cracks for some reason (so far this usually ends up being just 3 to 8 words a day, not to mention i suspend those words after about 3 weeks of reps. so anki is extremely low effort and efficient this way)
if i've only seen the word once though it doesn't seem logical to put it into anki anymore, it might be uncommon or might stick on it's own
i really have to give it a chance to find out

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617728
yes she's the most egoistic and mean character of the whole show

>>21617730
and this is perfection

[Anonymous No.]

here is best matches

kyoko-ayano
titose-tizuru
yui-tinatu
akari-me

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617730
You forgot the most important pair, 萌え黒ん坊.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617743
also forgot

sakurako-himawari

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV9-baQDpaA

[Anonymous No.]

私は日本の小さいことです。
場所はより接近した
夜はとても静か
本物のアーケードがあります
コンビニで健康飯があります
対人距離と一人様を重視する。

those things are what draw me to Japan. People are saying it's stupid to think you will fit in more in Japan, and maybe I won't fit in more, but I personally would be more comfortable living there. It is a country for introverts, by introverts and I love that.

[yes please No.]

>>21617725

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617681
Exactly what I've been saying this whole time. This is the best way to learn Japanese. You balance the research and the practice and you are having fun and learning every day.

[moenigger No.]

patrician pairing

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617759
i always find peoples "reasons" funny and stupid. i didn't think about about going to japan when i started 2 years. only recently i decided to move just to use all this nihongo knowledge i have gathered by reading.

[Anonymous No.]

no boobs
no thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617759
>It is a country for introverts
how do you figure?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617211
>anime has shopping centers just like IRL!
profound insight

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617794
small chest is absolutely the highest iq preference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617759
> but I personally would be more comfortable living there
how do you know?

[moenigger No.]

big stupid funbags distract me from immersing properly

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617575
jesus christ is this place filled with little illogical kids now something.. I love japan stop making assumptions

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617808
said a lot more than that but have fun picking a fight with yourself over your own poor reading lol

[Anonymous No.]

Would Japanese still be the hardest language if it had a simple writing system?

[Anonymous No.]

my reasons for liking japan and moving there are correct and everyone else is a literal retard with no idea as to what they are talking about

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617846
>the train stations and food look like that IRL too!
deep af
snobby self-hating weebs btfo

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617681
>a LOT of input
>4 hours a day
that's still entry level but I agree with the rest of what you said, anki is basically an autistic crutch after a certain point

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617851
probably not but you can't just pretend one of its most difficult aspects isn't a thing. and apparently it's pretty similar to korean so it'd still be hard even if pronunciation would be easier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617851
not for baka Americans

[Anonymous No.]

there's nothing wrong with using anki for a year or two until you can understand enough to where you can actually enjoy input instead of wishing for death the hour you spend listening to white noise

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617843
if you love japan you would be there. explain yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617871
Pronunciation is different from Korean though. Korean sounds like shit. Japanese sounds pleasant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617878
maybe he also loves his family

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617851
I don't think so because natives pillage their own readable media so fast. It's pretty efficient after you learn it. It's back loaded so the more you know the more efficient it gets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617876
if you dont enjoy reading in japanese you are a retard and wont learn japanese

>listening
dont do that just read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617881
i agree with all of that but apparently japanese has significantly fewer sounds than korean which apparently makes pronunciation easier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617881
that's your own personal 偏見. plenty of people like the way korean sounds as evidenced by the k-pop phenomenon

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617886
>if you dont enjoy reading in japanese you are a retard and wont learn japanese
buuuuuuullshit i enjoy reading a lot more now that i'm not ultra beginner tier where i couldn't tell something was a noun phrase.
>dont do that just read.
nope i did that for awhile and it fucked me since i can't understand shit in audio now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617876
>a year or two

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617892
doing anki won't help you knowing what a noun phrase is you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.]

what will u do when google translate is perfect

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617899
i didn't use it for that but i wish i had. of course it would you dumb fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617902
keep reading japanese in japanese...

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617892
so just watch a lot of anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617902
be annoyed that eop can read and that's about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617893
Songs can sound pleasant in any language as long as the melody is decent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617882
if you don't abandon your family you don't really want it and won't make it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617902
In a 100 years?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617914
yea i'm loving that white noise bro just like i loved it when i first started reading and didn't understand shit. it's so much fun :)

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617930
maybe stop using anki and just read more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617935
>>21617876

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617926
you can want more than one thing in life

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617878
Because I'm not a delusional kid that thinks that all of my problems would be solved by being there and turning my back on my own country which is fucking amazing. I'm a lazy logical realist. I'm still taking my free time to get fluent and the circumstances to which I went there originally have changed. It's a stretch for me to imagine how simplified you think life is. And yes also family and friends, that's a pretty big factor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617930
watching anime with low comprehension is more fun than reading with low comprehension
if you can already read then it will only take you like 2-300 hours to catch up
you could do that in a month

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617930
so stop being lazy, pause the video and look up what the subtitle means? where does the need to put little snippets of out of context language into flashcards come from? the idea that you want to remember something sounds like you are studying for a test or something and you're going to get graded but that's not the case.

[Anonymous No.]

people who go for months using flashcards without trying to read a single sentence are doomed to be dekinai

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617959
What if there are sentences WITHIN FLASHCARDS?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617943
this post is very cringey. the fact you refer to yourself as a lazy logical realist is very r*ddit臭い how does one spend 5 years in japan and still not be fluent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617945
>watching anime with low comprehension is more fun than reading with low comprehension
hasn't been my experience because the effort involved in improving at reading is much less.
300 hours of listening in a month is 10 hours a day which isn't happening. i'll be lucky if i can manage 2 per day, which i'll try. it's gonna take 12 months to get to a level where it's truly fun, but i expect it to be easier to swallow the better i get so 4+ hours per day might be feasible by the 6 month mark.

>>21617951
i'm not using anki for audio, i just understand that it's more enjoyable to spend a small amount of time listening to something you have familiarity with than a large amount of time listening to something you are completely clueless about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617969
japanese is a language that depends on context, if you read basic ass sentences you won't get anywhere

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617973
the point of pausing and looking up subtitles is to make it so it's comprehensible. it shouldn't be a something you are totally clueless about after you look up the unknown parts. if you can't do that then maybe you should go to a class or something and take some beginner lessons from a teacher who can help you out

[Anonymous No.]

At some point you got to give up on the dekinais who just don't believe.
Dekinais in a nutshell
1. Hardly believe its even possible
2. Wall of text in their L1
3. Think it's a young thing
4. Think you can get comprehension over the weekend with snake oil gimmicks
5. Will debate common sense
6. Don't understand there are phases
Arent't capable of critical analysis in general and just ramble out mental viruses of bad logic and group think constructs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617992
you are clueless because you don't know sentence structure and grammar, not because you have the need to look up unknown parts

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617997
meant for >>21617973

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617997
>you are clueless because you don't know sentence structure and grammar
no it's mostly because i can't hear the words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618015
read visual novels

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618018
i do

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618015
then use subtitles for shows or read more. believe it or not, doing that is what increases your listening skills

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617871
>you can't just pretend one of its most difficult aspects isn't a thing
you can if you only read stuff with furigana

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618015
Grow some confidence in your own brain. Picture perfect moment of a lack of subconscious input, and it goes away, immerse more.

[Anonymous No.]

Japanese is 𝘀𝗶𝗺𝗽𝗹𝗲.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618023
how long have you been learning for? realize it is impossible to become fluent in less than 3 years no matter what (((they))) tell you. you might just be new. realize it takes time and lots of reading. and finally compelling is more important than ease, i swear when im really into something my comprehension shoots up by like 15%.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618031
amen brother

[Anonymous No.]

It makes no fucking difference whether you use Anime, Manga, light novels or games for your Japanese. Some months I will use one more, the next one the other and each contribute to getting better at it in their own way.

When will you retards stop this endless arguing over whats better when the only thing that matters is consistency and time put into it. In fact it probably accounts for so much of the variance that all of those other factors are basically meaningless.

Who cares if you prestudy grammar or if you look stuff up as you go, or if you mine your vocab or what variety of Anki cards you use, if you use them at all. People have learned this language in so many different ways and the only thing that's consistent is that they engaged with as much native material as possible and kept doing it over a long period of time.

As far as I'm concerned this is the literal only advice you ever need to hear and then you can go and learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618049
you're making a strawman, the argument is that just doing your anki reps without touching native material is a slow way of learning

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618049
but vns are objectively the best immersion for new fags and literary fiction is objectively the best for when you get descent. what you feel matters but there is still a better and worse. no matter how much you like video games and music you will never get good off of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618065
but vns are games

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617971
>how does one spend 5 years in japan and still not be fluent
There are people there for 20 years not even remotely fluent. You need to meet people willing to put up with your retardation at their communication, you need to meet people who will attemp to to teach or not want english input of their own, you need to meet people who want to talk. Plus I wasn't trying to stay in my home studying all day while I had the rare occasion of seing a great culture. I knew about 500 words and that's really all you need to know to get by and then I went out and did things. Basically don't expect going to a place to make you fluent, I learned more in a couple of months here than I did in years there. Some people get lucky and meet people willing to help them.

[Anonymous No.]

Listening to these example sentences with explanations has a soothing effect on me, it doesn't even feel like studying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617971
I would be fluent if I got serious

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618107
so basically you are the strawman i created of whitoids in japan. thanks for showing me you guys are real, and that you truly are as pathetic and dumb as i thought.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618031
more like simply gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618154
Basically I'm human. Like you. You would do no better and you're disillusioned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618177
i wouldn't reply to that guy. i think it's safe that going to the country at a low language level isn't going to be great for getting to a high level. it does have other perks like familiarizing yourself with the geography and culture, seeing how j-people act irl and kind of making the language seem more "real" if that makes sense.

the fact is getting to a high level in a language requires a shit load of reading at one end and being in the country makes no difference there besides the price of books.

[Anonymous No.]

プリーズヘルプミー

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618107
This is just straight cope. You were too lazy to find conversation partners (which you didn't need) because you didn't want to stay at home studying all day (which you didn't have to to become decent in 5 fucking years). You went to a country with next to no knowledge of the language, despite it being one with a very low English speaker population and then you proceeded to stay in your foreigner bubble and not learn shit. I can see this being reasonable if you stayed there a year, but 5 years, fuck no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618177
>You would do no better
hard cope, i already have done, as i am already n2 and im not due to go for another year. people like you can't even comprehend the idea of someone not being lazy and doing well in life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618214
Yea good 概要, pretty much how it is. Language takes a lot of time and patience and there is no magic bean. People think they'll just go there and get fluent and it doesn't work like that. Had I studied for a year or so and then went there I might have road the huge gain train. Idk..

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618214
>>21618245
can you two at least have the common fuckin decency to admit that you are starwmanning? nobody here said, or thinks, that living in a country will magically imbue you with the language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618268
Not him (I'm actually him lol) but the thread heavily implies this all of the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618268
maybe he thought it was implied when he was asked how he lived there for 5 years and didn't get fluent and he responded.... then he was insulted for his answer. there's no logical fallacy going on here just people being assholes for no reason which is of course the norm here

[Anonymous No.]

usually i waste most of my free time at work on DJT
today i'm going to aim for 80% of it on input
so 192 of the approx 240 minutes of free time i have starting now, should be spent inputting
sounds doable ^_^ lets see if i can do it
i'll be timing myself

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618268
I'm just telling my experiences the best I can to help other people. I'm not strawmaning because I'm not debating, just saying people exist that think you get insta fluency like the guy that replied to me. It can help but it's not so black and white. There is nothing you can't replicate on the internet anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618214
>being in the country makes no difference there besides the price of books.
not true if you're surrounded by japanese people in the workplace and you use the language in your job
plus having to use it to get any errands done (going to the bank, filling out and reading forms in japanese, reading labels and ingredients at the grocery store etc)
these "must do's" can provide a very generous cushion for learning
still possible to stay in a bubble if you only have the latter, but stupid to when you have all these opportunities directly around you to learn something

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618279
what? no it doesn't. there are obvious and undeniable benefits for your progression if you live in japan (abundance of natives, being pushed by necessity etc) but the concept of "picking up" the language in passing just by living there is definitely not propagated here even by the passive learning posters.
>>21618303
you're right based on the post above you. i guess the connotations of laziness and lack of effort which the question actually implied weren't obvious to someone who never even considered learning the language of the country he's living in an option lol

[moenigger No.]

a 5 minute break per hour is an 8.3% loss in input and efficiency

[Anonymous No.]

How to get to r18 category on syosetu please help . Do i need to setup something different to my account or whut

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618328
good point

[Anonymous No.]

I always notice that we are almost the same number of posters in every threads so are we always the same people having the same arguments for 1k posts in every threads ?

[Anonymous No.]

Japanese isn't a language; it's an experience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618107
You need to meet people willing to put up with your retardation at their communication
if you got enough input theres no reason for you to be that retarded... at the most asking them to speak a little slower should be all you need to get the gist of what they're saying. starting from zero is ridiculous and frustrating for yourself and others. every gaijin should get at least 100 hours of comprehensible input (not hard, doable in 1 or 2 months) before trying to talk to people in japan and if it's something one's been planning in advance there's no reason not to do at least that.
>you need to meet people who will attemp to to teach
??? most japanese people dont mind explaining a word or two. it's when you start from zero (like i already said you shouldn't do) that it's annoying for everyone involved
>or not want english input of their own,
this is a meme too. not all japanese people care about english that much, in fact i'd say most would rather just communicate in japanese if you can do so without struggling super hard.
i've been in so many situations where they start talking to me in english because they see i'm a gaijin and think they have to, then once i start speaking fluid japanese the entire conversation becomes japanese and they don't even attempt the english anymore

i came to japan with 3 years of study/input under my belt, and i wasn't even efficient with my time. i can imagine someone achieiving what i did in about a year and a half if they were more focused and went from textbooks and shit to learning based off input faster than i did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618363
yes, this is my release so i'm not an argumentative asshole with people that matter to me irl

[Anonymous No.]

i honestly can't help but look down on people who live in japan for 20 years and don't learn japanese
like how fucking clueless can you be man... what??? it frustrates me lol

[Anonymous No.]

honestly I just come here to shitpost desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618381
i don't look down on them but i sorta feel they're scummy and disrespectful. also imagine japanese politicians debating each other in english to appeal to english-speaking minorities lol

[Anonymous No.]

goo辞書 https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/
Yahoo!辞書 https://dic.yahoo.co.jp/
エキサイト翻訳 https://www.excite.co.jp/world/
SPACEALC https://www.alc.co.jp/
Weblio https://www.weblio.jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618363
This thread is for the mentally I'll or something. A majority of the posts here are from only like 5 or so posters (and not one of them knows japanese)

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618435
>(and not one of them knows japanese)
heh oh yea? well i will in a couple years

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618435
I don't get why people like you are always upset because "no one know japanese", the whole point of those threads is to learn, not to know

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618452
the whole point of these threads is to shitpost to my hearts fuckin content

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618395
>>21618458
same

[Anonymous No.]

Word of the day 曝

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618343
not if you consider the fact that the brain needs breaks to consolidate new information
which is why cramming works so shittily

[Anonymous No.]

Real word of the day ぷりん

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618488
>which is why cramming works so shittily
it doesn't work shittily it's just that incompetent people delay doing work and so anything they do will be worse on average.

[Anonymous No.]

「ここにはにほんごがわかるものひとりもいない」
なんていいぱなししてるひとは
じぶんはにほんごわからないから
みんなもそうとおもっておこうとしてるだけだね
ただのじこぎまんだね
なさけない

[Anonymous No.]

I don't give a fuck. This whore asked for a massage at the gym, and now she's suddenly moaning and getting wet.

[Anonymous No.]

Statistics say that 99% of people who did RTK are also furries. What is the reason behind this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618510
cramming doesn't work and it's been scientifically proven
pomodoro technique and timeboxing in general works

[moenigger No.]

>>21618488
don't see why that would apply to language acquisition

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618539
hey i know her

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618573
I'm sorry Anon, she didn't tell me anything about having a husbando. I will quit immediately!

[Anonymous No.]

Just finished listening to Matt's massive 4 hour and 14 minute 10k commemoration video in the background.
Mostly irrelevant fluff as far as learning Japanese is concerned, but he had some golden advice for mastering hearing pitch accent early on (and Chinese tones by extension) to the point where you'll eventually be able to distinguish between pitch-after-first-mora (atamadaka) and pitch-before-last-mora (odaka) as easily as you can tell apart か and が, starting at 03:23:30

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618368
>i came to japan with 3 years of study/input under my belt,
that's the major difference dumb ass, I had 0 input before I got there, you're making a lot of assumptions based brainlet

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618531
I don't know what you're saying, but that just further proves my point that nobody here knows nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618639
if you don't know what he was saying you're prolly the most dekinai here

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618610
what the fuck is wrong with you

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618619
why do you keep insulting us and talking so highly of yourself even though you're the retard who doesn't know japanese after 5 years in japan?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618689
btfo lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618689
that was my first insult so take your zoomer victim shit and shove it up your ass also knowing japanese isn't an off and on switch, I know stuff I just wouldn't consider myself fluent, and nobody else here would have gotten fluent in the same situation

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618548
because it's still new information?
if your input doesn't have a considerable amount of new information though (you only see something unfamiliar every few minutes or so, or every 10~15 sentences or less) then of course the breaks are built in
but for people looking stuff up every sentence or every few, they need those breaks

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618715
>nobody else here would have gotten fluent in the same situation
just imagine being in this much denial lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618728
maybe if you locked yourself in your room like the autist you are

[Anonymous No.]

>>>gif/15205750

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618735
when the most blatant false dichotomy ever - you either sit in your room alone all day studying or you don't learn any japanese at all - is a core part of your cope

just lol at you dude fucking hell

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618735
and back to the insults. imagine projecting this hard, honestly just realize that you just didn't want to learn japanese and that is it, anyone who wants to learn would have in your scenario or any other. i am so glad i am not like you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618747
lrn2link dumbass

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618748
>your cope
Man I can't even relate ty you zoomers anymore. I never even complained about anything, you're just in denial over the fact you wont get magic gain when you get there haha

[Anonymous No.]

「生きとし生けるものが幸せでありますように。」
「私が幸せでありますように。」
「私の親しい人が幸せでありますように。」

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618760
yeah i'm in denial over something being true which i already acknowledged as being true. very astute observation my dude. btw the concept of a coping mechanism being so foreign to you that you think it's some zoomer invention says a lot, no wonder you were a dancing monkey for 5 fuckin years

[Anonymous No.]

私のちんぽが大きくなるように

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618799
Denial confirmed

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618760
as le ebic based 20yo zoomer i must relinquish you to 地獄落ちろ. imagine being so old and decrepit that you grew up in a time people unironically thought you could learn a language by taking classes and just being in a country.

in honesty you realize if you would have spent like 1 hour a day reading and hung out with japanese people you would be fluent. but your tm l*ddit ｌａｚｙｎｅｓｓ prevented you from even doing that. 5 fucking years, my god.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618809
rejected

[Anonymous No.]

this one guy arguing with himself for hours is the average djt poster

[Anonymous No.]

i'm the average djt poster

[Anonymous No.]

i've cognitively destroyed djt users since early 2018 i am a reigning champ

[Anonymous No.]

watashi mo am the average djt poster

[Anonymous No.]

So lately I’ve been trying wean myself off of J-E dictionaries and found that searching images online of the unknown words I’ve come across has been helpingーthough the results are accurate mostly for concrete stuff. When it doesn’t help, then I move onto a J-J dictionary. Nevertheless it saves time because I usually slog through Japanese definitions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618883
ive been here since 2017 and you are def not.

[Anonymous No.]

lately i've found myself using J-E dictionaries and not wanting to switch to J-J

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Big boys use E-J dictionaries

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618943
nice

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618907
>>21618883
heh ive been here since 2016. guess you both have a lot to learn

[Anonymous No.]

so western euro cucks how are u coping with the lovely weather you're having? sure wish you had ac don't you? lol

[Anonymous No.]

Why do 男の娘s always use 僕?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618966
well have you at least read oreimo?

[Anonymous No.]

2014 DJT elite reporting in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618975
no, but i watched the anime and that's better

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618982
i-it can't be

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618985
if you have not read it, how can you know if it is better? It is the only ln i have finished entirely. But i am passed lns know and on to bigger and better things. but oreimo is still 上等 as is 近親相姦

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618966
>>21618982
ok both of you have to be fluent at this point

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618995
What is this game you keep posting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618995
But it is.
As proof, I will make a joke about fish oil-kun and finny, thinking that people will understand, when in reality their time has passed and I'm alone with my amphetamines.

Anyone remember the shitpost war about the formatting of the DOJG anki deck?

I remember spamming this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5IPArDxO40 every thread. I wonder if I was inspired by other steve posters or if that's what caused the steve memes in the first place, I can't remember.

Remember when DJT only had one OP image and it was just slightly changed? I posted like 300 of those in a row. I must have been addicted.
>>21619010
Can't you recognize Dewprism, aka Threads of Fate? The ost is god-tier.
>>21619007
I'm okay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619020
honestly matt ruined djt. we used to have in-jokes and actual arguments now this thread is as boring and lifeless as matt himself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619006
>But i am passed lns know and on to bigger and better things
Like eroge and shitposting in djt?

>>21619007
lol maybe he is

>>21619010
デュープリズム for PS1

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619033
I think the culture of any community large or small will change over time, and we are inclined to assume the past culture was better due to nostalgia or simple wishful thinking. That said the degree of e-celeb posting in modern DJT can definitely get obnoxious and in general I don't think I could stand to hang out in DJT daily like I used to, though really that's just something that happens when you get good. (As always, someone linked me to this thread. Specifically to dunk on the guy who spent 5 years in Japan and still sucks, but after reading his posts I wasn't motivated to say anything to him).

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619033
eceleb posting has fallen off a cliff recently though, for some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619067
>someone linked me to this thread
what? this confuses me, like you know people irl who post here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619020
>amphetamines
lucky. I was prescribed since I was a kid until about three years ago, but doctors around here won't prescribe them anymore for some reason. Pretty much started nihongo as a challenge to try and learn something without them

>>21619033
The bad thing about ecelebs are that the videos are long and boring. Plus it feels like half the posters are just advertising for them

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619096
I am friends with an infamous DJT celebrity, yes. His hobby is linking me terrible posts from here and urging me to dunk on people. He needs to get a new hobby.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619124
do you know jamal in person or something? he is the only thing i would consider a "DJT celebrity".

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619134

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619124
>>21619134
>>21619141
man i remember when i used to shitpost in generals that had some cool lore, now this is all ive fucking got

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619150
The grass is always greener on the other side.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619157
a field covered from one end to the other in dogshit is greener than you knowing jamal in discord or some shit, oh well

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619150
Honestly i'm scared that people will recognize my images and writing pattern and connect all my multiple personas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618982
wew same

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619171
Post made by an ignorant man who does not realize shit is a very powerful fertilizer

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619196
and that is why i shitpost here desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619179
>>21618973
>>21618894
>>21618799
>>21618777
oh we see through your posts alright

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619230
残念ながら

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619067
日本に住んでいたことがありますか？
今、どんな日本語喋れますか？
ぜひ私たちを黙らせる凄い文章を書いてください。

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619240
先に言った通り、興味ないから何も言わない
ただそれだけのことだよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619240
よし　兄弟

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619240
おっぱいがすき

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619253
what happens next?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619282
可愛そうな有希たんがレイプされた

[Anonymous No.]

shit i forgot to do my anki reps

[Anonymous No.]

i didn't and never have even on days when i got sick :)

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619371
Do your reps

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619371
>>21619376
>>21619377
don't do your reps, it is bad for you, read instead.

[Anonymous No.]

what's that anki addon matt uses where you can "freeze" a field when creating a card so that you can make multiple similar cards in succession?

[Anonymous No.]

How do I get past losing motivation Anons? Somedays I feel extremely motivated and study for hours and other days I maybe can study for like 30 minutes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619459
しんこきゅうするとか

さんぽしながらするとか

モチベあがるよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619459
You remember that if you don't study you don't get better.

If you don't wanna get better, quit. If you do but still have no motivation, you need the all stimulants all the time method.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619615
I know this might sound like a very beginner-level complaint, but even though I've only mined and learned about 2000 of the most common words, I feel like I already understand much of what I'm interested in reading (80-95% of all the dialogue and narration in SOL-themed VNs, LNs, and manga), which is why I don't feel like I might easily make much progress unless I were to step well outside of my comfort zone into real literature, news, and other sorts of stuff that I'm not as excited about.

[moenigger No.]

another extremely successful day of consuming media

[Anonymous No.]

Well those are two very different things aren't they, nihongo?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619762
read and you'll know

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619762
そうですね

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619713
Well it sounds like you're as good as you wanted to be. You don't have anything to prove to anyone. If you can read everything you want to, don't worry about learning more, except the new stuff you find on occasion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619762
>今度は
this time

>また今度
next time

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619819
アナザー今度

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618975
>>21618985
oreimo is cancer oh my god
nobody watch or read it ever unless you want to become suicidal

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619789
>Well it sounds like you're as good as you wanted to be. You don't have anything to prove to anyone. If you can read everything you want to, don't worry about learning more, except the new stuff you find on occasion.
i agree with this perspective. but when despite doing that, there are still "relatively basic" things you don't know (which there will be) and it's revealed, people here will hop on the opportunity to call you a dekinai, say you don't know japanese, etc. it's good to not care what they say and just do you despite that if/when it ever happens.

[Anonymous No.]

remember, the only measure of fluency that really matters is the level you're at relative to the input and interactions YOU care about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619843
それいわれたら

next timeのいみでうけとるとおもう

[moenigger No.]

>>21619913
cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617681
Do all of what you said, AND incorporate Anki into it.

I've been doing the "AJHTT" (All Japanese Half The Time) method for a while now and it definitely works. I can already understand and read Japanese on a level that I never imagined I would get to without actually going to Japan. If I had been properly AJATTing instead of half-assing then I have no doubt I'd be ready to start outputting already.

I still use Anki. I take sentences that I discover from input material, look up unknown words in a J->J dictionary, and put those sentences into Anki to help me retain those words. I hate those pre-built decks and I think it's better to mine your own sentences. The extra context from mining your own sentences helps the knowledge to stick better.

If you don't incorporate SRS into your studying routine then you're actually wasting time looking stuff up multiple times because it's likely that many of the words you've looked up aren't common enough for you to encounter them again before they've already slipped from your memory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619946
why mine sentences? I mean you just need to know the meaning of the word

[Anonymous No.]

これは

chili tofu soup

つうじますか？

[Anonymous No.]

Wow input works where is the balding bottle pisser donation box

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619945
stfu moetard, Japanese isn't a dick measuring contest and afaik you're basically the biggest dekinai here

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619713
I feel like I'm currently around the same level. I've recently experienced a huge spike in my comprehension and somehow understand like 85-99% of pretty much everything I come across in manga, anime, dramas, and ero doujins.

85% sounds like a lot, but it really is often not even enough to understand the meat of the story. The other 15% might contain some of the most important details of the entire plot. https://www.sinosplice.com/life/archives/2016/08/25/what-80-comprehension-feels-like this page does a good job of illustrating how important every one of those last few percentage points are.

For me, I think it's just a vocabulary issue, since it's really lack of knowledge in that domain which keeps everything from being 99%+ comprehensible. I think there's no way around learning lots of vocabulary if you want to close the gap between 80% and 99%+ comprehension. Even though I could probably survive with my current level of comprehension, I think I have to keep mining for the foreseeable future if I want to reach my goal.

You can keep mining your current material and adding sentences from there instead of going to a newspaper or something, but you should at least mine that other 5-20% until you really start understanding everything, otherwise you might just hit a plateau where you spend eternity just "following the plot" at 80-95% instead of thoroughly understanding it like at 99%+.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619996
Because unless you have super memory, you probably won't remember the meaning and reading of that word when you randomly encounter it again 2.5 months from now. There's a lot of words that are at that level of semi-rarity, but that's still worth knowing. Spaced repetition is good for retention.

[Anonymous No.]

really tired of all this (だ)から bullshit. Feels like they just enter this word wherever they want to just to fuck with me. fucking japs

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620159
Wait til you find out about やから and ので lmao

[Anonymous No.]

what about やがて and やがる

[Anonymous No.]

are you guys learning just japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620115
The problem I've got is that that 15% is so little, so unfrequent, that it really doesn't bother me to have to open up a dictionary every once in a while to look them up instead of actually making an anki card for them.
When I was barely at the 600-1000 word level, I could understand so little that I often had to keep rikaisama on at all times, and had to look words up more than twice per sentence, which is why it made sense to mine words back then, but now I feel so comfortable reading that I often spend days without adding a single card to anki.
I know I should probably wait two more years and at least 10k cards to be able to say this, but I can't even imagine how I'd be able to keep up with learning that many words, considering that, the less frequent they are, the more difficult it is to encounter them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620327
At the very least, I'd suggest you write the Kanji down a time or two, read the word aloud, and maybe make a mental mnemonic before closing the dictionary. You keep up with new words by using Anki, that's the entire point of it. If learning 10k words is daunting or whatever, just add 5 or 10 words a day and your study will be pretty light, but still effective.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620147
I've probably got some awful long-term memory, but I honestly can't remember words unless I actually see or hear them very often. If I spot a word once in a VN and make an anki card out of it, I might remember it if it appears in a very memorable scene, but if it's a somewhat insignificant adjective, I'm probably not gonna remember it even if I see it many times on anki.
There's a few words I remember seeing dozens of times on anki that I can't recall either the meaning or pronunciation for because I never saw them more than once in context.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620338
I don't really have a problem with remembering the meaning of kanji through mnemonics RTK style, but what fucks me up pretty badly are kunyomi compounds (like 馴染め or 懇意になる).

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620147
>>21620115
>85% sounds like a lot, but it really is often not even enough to understand the meat of the story. The other 15% might contain some of the most important details of the entire plot.
this is true. i'm at 95% to 99% for everything now, which is why i'm comfortable mostly just looking up as i read at this point. the only thing i use anki for now is words that i know i've seen multiple times, but keep forgetting the reading for (today i saw 曲者 for the umpteenth time and read it きょくしゃ... so i'm adding that), or forgot the meaning for (this happens less often, but still sometimes happens)
the fact that i've seen it so often means my brain will more readily absorb the new information about it when i SRS it. rather than if it was a word i JUST saw for the first time and tried to SRS (which is what i was doing for a while, and what got me to reach my current level of comprehension). these kinds of words -- familiar but can't remember fully and want to review to finally get them down, are about 3 to 9 new words a day. very rare, so anki is very chill now. literally 5 minutes of reviews a day or so.
getting a lot more input than i was getting before (i'd usually get enough to earn me around 30 new words/sentences or so for anki, then be done with japanese for the day. this usually amounted to just 45 minutes~1 hour or so of actual reading) means i'm seeing words repeat 4 to 6 times more often than they would've before.
so the repetition you need to learn new words without anki isn't really that rare if you're getting enough input. that's the key (at least, once you're ready to stop mining so much. i know i am)

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620327
15% is still 15 words per 100, or 1 new word every 7 words. 1 or 2 new words per sentence... personally i'd still consider that pretty frequent looking up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620408
If I'm reading an easy LN, I might be able to have to only look words up up to two times per page, whereas if I'm reading a chuunige, I might be forced to look up words in every sentence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619391
Matt's #1 non-cartoonfaggot fan here
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/516643804

[moenigger No.]

big kanji gain 孵

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620426
なるほど

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620482
孵化 ^_^ 知ってるよ!
妹にモンスターの卵を産んでもらって孵化させる

[Anonymous No.]

げえむの

しすぎだ

[Anonymous No.]

わたしはストレートということだ。

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620496
君はゲイです。

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620496
ドリちんが

[Anonymous No.]

poi poi

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620593
it means that the home (for your dick) is inside (your wife)

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620393
These kinds of words - the ones you've seen over and over again, but aren't quite sure the meaning or reading of - are prime material for Anki. That's your brain's way of screaming at you that it's ready to master that word already.

You're definitely not the only one who made the 曲者きょくしゃ mistake. I think I'll go ahead and make a card for that too.

>getting a lot more input than i was getting before (i'd usually get enough to earn me around 30 new words/sentences or so for anki, then be done with japanese for the day. this usually amounted to just 45 minutes~1 hour or so of actual reading) means i'm seeing words repeat 4 to 6 times more often than they would've before.

Interesting. I'm surprised to hear that you reached such a high level of comprehension with so little input. I've been listening/reading 6+ hours a day, but I only make 10 or so new sentence cards in that time. I certainly find that the pace at which I learn new material slows down when I'm not sentence mining, although not completely, because some is still picked up through input alone

[Anonymous No.]

Are japs color blind?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620626
れきし

[Anonymous No.]

I really want to live in cozy cafe in Japan, Kansai area around Kyoto where KyoAni characters are living, like Azu nyan or Mugi senpai. I would have fine friends and we will drink cacao and latte with cakes together. Then we are going to play some music like flute or euphoniums and do some art classes like La Doll clay claying and making Rozen Maiden dolls and then we would drink some afternoon tea with them too of course and then we would go to Hanabi or to parks or other cozy cafes and finish our days by cute playing like some board fantasy games or sandbox games as well yey it would be ultra wonderful。

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620635
now in Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

Does this mean "nursing room"?
I know the last kanji means room and in the anime there was a nurse inside the room, so...

[Anonymous No.]

it means sanitarium, retard; it doesnt have nurse in the word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620661
Ah, yes, the typical room for the treatment of tuberculosis found in many schools.

[Anonymous No.]

本スレに毎日毎日戻ってくる人々は
何を言おうとしても、
「日本語を学んでいる仲間」が欲しがってるからです
「興味あるのはshitpostingしかない」と言い張ってる人が多いけど
そりゃただの自己欺瞞だ
shitpostingはどこでもできることなのに、わざわざこのスレに来てて
素直に「同じ趣味、日本語学者同士の仲間が欲しい」さえ言えない可哀想な人々である

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620694
わたしはゲイ。

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617759



>夜はとても静か
どこに住むかによるよ。
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm-R3dvrUZg
君の国がどの位うるさいかは知らないけど。

>本物のアーケードがあります
本物???
偽者のアーケードって何ろう???

>コンビニで健康飯があります
健康飯??? 中国語でそんな風に書いているのを見た気がする。</wbr>

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620694
word of the day : 上から目線

[Anonymous No.]

I almost die of 結核

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620719
どこが？
私も含めてるのに

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618134
>tfw

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620707
たとえば

あたしのちいき

コンビニまで

くるまでいく

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620707
>偽者のアーケードって何ろう???
小さいのアーケード
ボウリング場兼アーケードとか
ゲームが少ない
楽しくない
多分そういう意味

[Anonymous No.]

>>21615147
So, which one is correct?

[Anonymous No.]

おっきおっぱい
ちっちゃいおっぱい
どっちもとっても好き！！！

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620943
You know how Times New Roman >>>>a<<<< and Arial "a" look different? Same thing here.

2 is the most common way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620943
left in most standard fonts
right in handwriting and textbook fonts
also right in chinese fonts so you might want to make sure thats not the problem

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620969
>right in handwriting

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620943

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620982
>>21620985

[Anonymous No.]

Should I watch JAV as 1st thing in the morning.

[Anonymous No.]

Hope I pass N2 in Dec.

[Anonymous No.]

Should I watch hentai first thing in the morning?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620943
>>21620943
both are correct
(1) is one of 活字(印刷書体)
(2) is one of 筆文字(筆写。手書き文字), often used as 略字
http://www.bunka.go.jp/kokugo_nihongo/sisaku/joho/joho/kakuki/14/tosin02/11.html

https://shodo-kanji.com/b1-1-1kanji_style.html
https://tameshigaki.jp/

[Anonymous No.]

I got a question for all of you.

Do you think the convenience of tools can sometimes inhibit learning rather than assisting it? I usually use yomichan on as much stuff as possible. Anime subtitles in streaming sites, online light novels and so on.

However over the last week I have been reading on a Kindle, because the screen was way more convenient outside. The default dictionary isn't very good so I looked up way less on the fly cause it's a pain in the ass. Yesterday I watched a movie from a blu-ray rip, that had jp subs and didn't use any hover to look up stuff. Instead at times if I felt I missed something important i just typed it out into jisho or something.

It felt my comprehension during all of this was actually higher than when I frequently use yomichan. Possibly because I was using lookups way less and instead tried to comprehend without going through the pain of looking stuff up constantly.
Seems to me I should also cut back on my hover dict usage. At times I just hovered certain words I was fairly sure I know, just to confirm if I remembered it right, but it doesn't seem to be very good for actual comprehension.

Any thoughts on your own usage of these things or whether you have observed similar things for yourself?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620641
保健室

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621065
but which one does rtk teach?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621068
yup, absolutely, if you're watching animu with Eng Subs, you're literally wasting your time. Things like dictionaries and so on can be useful, but up to a certain point, most of the time, the less you rely on it, the better, cuz you're forcing your brain to actually pay attention to the 日本語.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_EQDtpYSNM

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621087
2.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620641
mr t, mouth and tree: aka protect
mr t, build (brush and stretch): aka health
house, climax (wall, ground): aka room

do your rtk

[Anonymous No.]

i decided to share this doujin with you, please tell me your thoughts about it https://exhentai.org/g/1433563/8cd34fa851/

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620593
>家 = うち
>内 = うち
Therefore 家内 is かない. ZA WARUDO!
Fuck those radioactive island monkeys and their shitass backwards ass rune language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621136
sick boy

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621068
i tend to double check readings of words more often than necessary
ive noticed that when i immediately check a reading and i was wrong it doesnt stick very well
but when i check a word thats shown up a few times and realize ive made the mistake multiple times it makes a bigger impression and im more likely to remember it
when you stop to look something up youre also probably messing with your short term memory of the text and breaking the flow of reading which means you learn less from the text itself
you have to weigh that against how much the lookups themselves are helping

[Anonymous No.]

why do i remember random ass words easily which aren't that common but i often forget important words that are very common

[Anonymous No.]

>>21616243
>>21619713
That's nice and all but manga isn't reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21615954
>ein
I thought I knew some obscure shit, but that's new on me.

Here's something relevant in return:

鼠蹊部: groin, "mouse path part". Not sure what that's about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621251
It's because those "random ass words" has a strong connection to plot/story

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621279
false

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621279
no. they're genuinely just random ass words.

[Anonymous No.]

Remember that if you get good enough in japanese you will be able to read and to understand this masterpiece ! (season 3 never)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYVlx3vnu8I

[Anonymous No.]

死は救済なんですけどもね

[Anonymous No.]

Explain this you racist fucks 卍

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621068
this hasn't been my experience. i think some people who use yomichan use it to look up everything all the time or something, whereas i constantly test my understanding of a sentence and word before looking it up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621327
you peasant if you want to read a true masterpiece you should try 世界で一番おっぱいが好き！Definitely better than all of your ""god-tier"" mangos

[Anonymous No.]

>>21620327
>15% is so little, so unfrequent
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw no qt3.14一番おっぱいgf

[Anonymous No.]

おそうじー

ふきふきして

[Anonymous No.]

is it harder or easier for a gaijin to get a 巨乳 gf in japan

[Anonymous No.]

How do you reach a point where your writing is indistinguishable from natives?
inb4 read more

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621438
No, the exact opposite: radicals provide information about the meanings of characters. The other part, the 旁, or 音符 give phonetic data.

Often there is overlap, in that the 音符 also have meaning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621447
If you mean composition, then shitloads of reading of practice.

If you mean the actual handwritten forms, then... well, lots of practice with the proper stroke orders.

These are some of my notes. The kanji flow better the more you write.

[Anonymous No.]

so making a noun phrase with verbs is simple in Japanese for example I can say
タバコを吸う男
but what if I want two verbs for 1 noun phrase? for example could I say
大学に通う、タバコを吸う男 or is that wrong and I need to connect it somehow?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621506
That's fine. In fact, there is no officially-approved manner of using commas in Japanese. You just insert them where necessary to disambiguate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621447

[Anonymous No.]

wonder what the chinese were thinking when they created their alphabet

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621521
it’s not about the comma it’s about the sentence and if it’s correct
or rather these verb noun structures are correct
without the comma:
大学に通うタバコを吸う男

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621522
Fun fact: 霓 is read as ゲイ. It means "rainbow". Specifically, a female rainbow, whatever that means, but still, ゲイ!

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621533
That is perfectly correct, but the comma's inclusion would be more common and readable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621542
>Specifically, a female rainbow, whatever that means
based!

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621542
i literally did 20 seconds of research and found that it means "secondary rainbow" not "female rainbow" lmao
"female" here means "yin" anyway not gender

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621501
word of the day : 面舵90度

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621739

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621739

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621271
that's in 巨乳ファンタジー I think. (good opportunity for j to find new "naisu bodi" pictures from btw) I've never encountered it again since then

[Anonymous No.]

おなかすいた

たべるものがない

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621347
Go ask Cirno in the other thread. She usually draws these.

[Anonymous No.]

>subtitle says 外へ出ろ!
>pronounces it sotoidero
god this language is gay

[Anonymous No.]

How do I get better at reading naturally?
I'm at the point where I can decipher sentences bit by bit but it's like putting together a puzzle in your head.

Is there a way to practice reading faster?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622065
listening is where the real acquisition happens, so listen more. slowly, certain structures will stop being puzzles and they'll be something you just get.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622065
short answer is "read more" and long answer is "see again the particles functions and try to read hiraganas faster"

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621968
soto'e'dero

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622072
I'm actually rather decent at understanding, at least clear speaking voices like in anime since I've been watching shows for over a decade. Any listening exercises have been far easier for me than reading ones.

I've only started learning to read a couple months ago, but I want to really expand my skills.
Reading a sentence goes something like this right now.
1. Recognize the kanji and what they stand for (as English terms)
2. Read the hiragana around them and try to remember how that kanji should be interpreted and read
3. Read any katakana phonetically and make out the word
4. Categorize them as "words" to find where to break them up
5. Lay down the structure of the entire sentence with all the pieces I've separately worked out.

My entire learning process is upside down because I'm better at understanding sentences phonetically than I am reading them.

[Anonymous No.]

美味しい i like this word

[Anonymous No.]

お尻 i like this word

[Anonymous No.]

today i read twice as much as yesterday

[moenigger No.]

read over 400 pages of manga yesterday

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622225
>>21622179
My 妹's お尻 is 美味しい
I like japanese

[Anonymous No.]

today i read twice as much today as yesterday.
On Halloween I read 70 pages.
5 days ago i read two pages more than yesterday and 6 pages more than on Halloween.
starting tomorrow I will read 20 pages more than today until new years.
how many pages of manga will I read in all of October?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622347
the real question is when will you start reading ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622347
Nothing at all cause youre a dekinai who will have given up by then.

[Anonymous No.]

when did you start learning japanese and how much of this do you understand ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbPEP6crXH

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622416
tomorrow
百パーセント

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder to watch JAV and consume other types of eroges for motivation!

[Anonymous No.]

君はできない子

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622454
I remember reading this. Things went downhill way too fast

[Anonymous No.]

Well Anons, do you love fuck?

[Anonymous No.]

i can't say because i don't have experience
i'm scared though, what if i have sex and can't enjoy eroge anymore?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622580
Both are great so stop being a pussy dekinai and do both

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622580
>what if i have sex and can't enjoy eroge anymore?
That would definitely affect your Japanese learning abilities negatively, so I would advice you against having fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622592
everyone i know says that fapping is better than sex and that women are not worth the trouble

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622593
>not having a cute gf who brings you ice coffee and kiss you while you're playing eroge

fuckin failure

[moenigger No.]

eroge is the least efficient way to acquire japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622602
Fucking delete this post my dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622580
Having sex only made me enjoy eroge more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622605
It's not because you don't have it that it's impossible or that I should delete it

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622611
くそやろ

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622611
this post doesnt make any sense

[moenigger No.]

reminder that women age and leech many thousands of dollars from you and if that doesn't sound appealing enough they can leave while they continue to legally steal your money

[Anonymous No.]

also remember that only 2d can make you happy

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622661
some women have money and jobs of their own
my sister is a dentist and makes 5x more money than me lol whoever she marries is one lucky guy

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621068
i've been reading physical books and manga for a while since i prefer it
so i'm used to manual lookups anyway
yomichan only when i'm reading stuff on the internet, sometimes not even then
i think reading through a couple pages of a physical book nonstop, marking what you don't know as you go, then coming back to look them up after you've processed everything as best as you can, is honestly the best compromise for the issue you brought up. best of both worlds
harder to do with things like LNs and web novels though
paper rules

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622801
Is she cute?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622801
would your sister be interested in a nihongo dekinai by any chance?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622817
yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622823
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621068
>Do you think the convenience of tools can sometimes inhibit learning rather than assisting it? I usually use yomichan on as much stuff as possible. Anime subtitles in streaming sites, online light novels and so on.

Yes, I do think these tools can slow the rate at which you learn new material.

Unless Yomichan is in J->J you're just going to be interrupting your Japanese immersion left and right. It also makes it easier to be lazy because you can just hover over a word and immediately forget about it 15 seconds later instead of actually retaining it like you might have if you had put more effort into it.

Anime subtitles are a complete waste if you're using English subs. If you could learn Japanese by watching anime with English subs then every weeb would be fluent already.

Anime with Japanese subs can be ok, and there's a few sites where you can find J-Subbed anime... but I would say that even Japanese subtitles aren't great, because let's be honest, reading is always going to be way easier than listening. You need to train your ears to be able to understand without any subtitles and the only way to do that is to ditch the training wheels. You should especially be doing this if you can comprehend input with J subs but can't comprehend without.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622916
>Unless Yomichan is in J->J you're just going to be interrupting your Japanese immersion left and right.
its an interruption either way
switching language has nothin to do with it

[Anonymous No.]

word of the day : 手マン

[Anonymous No.]

>強いて違い
when will i be able to put 2 and 2 together when it comes to shit like this? how long did it take you? it just doesn't occur to me at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622929
>switching language has nothin to do with it
yes it does. attention switching between more dissimilar things has a more distracting effect
different 脳の信号経路 are used in processing japanese vs processing english

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623021
cringe

[moenigger No.]

>>21623027
cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>21616963
I agree that you need to study grammar and get to a certain level of lower-intermediate competency before jumping into native material. But I don't believe you could get all the way to fluency by studying a textbook for an hour a day.

I really think the truth is somewhere in the middle, here. As an adult, you can use tools like grammar guides and SRS to help you learn the language faster. But I still think you need lots and lots of exposure and immersion if you want to speak and understand the language fluently. There's just no way that textbooks alone can do the job of building all the connections in your brain required to understand native Japanese in all the thousands of real-world situations where you might encounter it.

>When I need some help with grammar I read some of Tae Kim's guide or I look it up on Google and I learn the rules.

The problem is that language isn't just a collection of grammar rules. There's so many specific exceptions to every "rule" because humans just kind of made this shit up as they went along. In English, we "play" the piano, but in Japanese, they "pluck" the piano. In English, we might say "he wears glasses", but in Japanese, it would be phrased more like "he is hanging glasses". These subtleties are everywhere, not just in everyday phrases. It's usually somewhat obvious when something has been translated directly from English using canned vocabulary and grammar rules.

>今日はとても晩い起きました　元気がない
>Today I very (?) night woke up not feeling well
This is why people are advised against outputting too early. You're going to cement these broken Japanese phrases into your brain and then it becomes a bad habit that's going to be harder to kick later. You learn grammar rules early on so you can start understanding for-native-by-native material. But if you immediately try to start outputting, it's guaranteed to come out broken.

>You are driving yourself nuts trying to be lazy.
The person who spends 8 hours a day immersing themselves in real Japanese is probably working harder than you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623040
is what true?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623040
Yes, except in Japanese the kanji might make their equivalent of "fossit" slightly more meaningful

[Anonymous No.]

I brought you some wholesome listening practice /djt/!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWU0nnAv0ZY

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623073
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622929
It's not an interruption from Japanese immersion because you're still going to be reading pure Japanese in all that time, vs. if you spent all that time reading English instead. Think about how much extra Japanese reading practice that equates to over the course of a few months when you use J->J over J->E

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623021
a definition and a story are extremely dissimilar things
changing the language doesnt make a big difference on top of that
but the switching is a bigger problem than the dissimilarity
do you think that switching between two lns by the same author every minute is better because ?

[Anonymous No.]

keeping a time log of my input is one of the best ideas i've had in a while for my nihongo
got 6 hours two days ago, 5 hours yesterday, and today it looks like it'll be somewhere around 5 or 6 too
i didn't realize how little i was getting before til i started timing and aiming for 4 to 6 hours
i probably was getting around 25% of what i'm getting now
its been fun finding compelling input of all different kinds to fill my time goals, and it feels good knowing i'm using my time wisely now instead of wasting it

[moenigger No.]

>>21623073
this is why i started learning japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623087
what software is this anon ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623087
how do you survive if you have 6 hours of free time per day? live with your parents?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623083
you deserve a you but no more

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623084
>a definition and a story are extremely dissimilar things
not really dude.
both conveying meaning
definition just goes into deeper detail for a particular part
like a branching off, where the tree trunk is the story, and the branch is a definition of some part you don't understand
when it's all in nihongo, you stay on the same tree
>>21623083
>It's not an interruption from Japanese immersion because you're still going to be reading pure Japanese in all that time, vs. if you spent all that time reading English instead. Think about how much extra Japanese reading practice that equates to over the course of a few months when you use J->J over J->E
exactly dude. this guy knows things ^

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623100
Sasuga dekinai-kun desu ne. You literally have no response.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623097
two of those hours are break time during work
another one hour is commuting time (i take public transportation)
two are at home or at the cafe i go to after work
the first day i did this it was the weekend so i was more easily able to get six

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623093
aTimeLogger2 for iOS!
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/atimelogger-2/id576718804

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623040
You can actually guess a lot of words in context like this, also in Japanese. Some will require lookup, but really not that many. It's also different the longer you spend with the text on the same topic or if the topic is known to you beforehand.

[Anonymous No.]

素晴らしいスレ

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623110
>>21623114
isolated bullshit is inferior to an ongoing piece and breaking your focus on the larger piece is undesirable
the least you can do is minimize the duration of the interruption and if youre pushing yourself into j-j definitions under the idea that at least its more nihongo time youre just hurting your focus on the main thing youre reading
if you consider reading j-j definitions to be a worthwhile endeavor for your input then youre probably bad enough at reading that its not

[Anonymous No.]

How do RTKers read 流行?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623158
>isolated bullshit is inferior to an ongoing piece
its not bullshit its literally just describing the meaning of the word to you lol chill out
being able to easily understand descriptions in the target language is clearly a good thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623122
damn dude wtf is your job if you get 2 hours of break time? i'm jealous

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623073
I was irritated as hell how he could be so good but he grew up there. Mystery solved.

[Anonymous No.]

また始めましょう

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623232
>you will be able to understand descriptions in the target language without trying to force practicing it
it doesn't feel like forcing at all. it takes me about 3 seconds to read an average J-J def. if it feels like "forcing" to consult the same kind of dictionary that natives use then idk perhaps you don't know japanese?
complaining about 10 characters of descriptive text sounds like something someone who struggles with the language would do

[Anonymous No.]

then isn't it kind of completely retarded to tell someone who knows japanese to use J-J dictionaries as if they're not already

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623289
i was never saying to avoid a j-j dictionary
i was saying that jumping into it early because youre afraid that j-e will hurt your input is stupid
i used the word forcing because i am talking about someone doing it when they should not
if it is not forcing then there is no problem
there are better reasons to use j-j than the idea that its extra input

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623224
I saved that game at the last boss and never played it again and it's always annoyed me since.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't wanna search for the mia retard with the J-J dict, but this is what happens when you tell people they should go J-J.

Most people who are not absolutely retarded will notice when J-J is an option for them and make the switch. Right now the J-J dict is this weird fixation for a lot of people who have no business using it yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623316
>i was never saying to avoid a j-j dictionary
i was saying that jumping into it early because youre afraid that j-e will hurt your input is stupid
i see, well i never recommended that so yeah
i am a proponent of sticking with J-E until you know enough japanese that most J-J definitions are more or less easy to understand
not when you only know 1k words or still take 10 minutes to read one page of LN
not sure how bad the original poster >>21621068 is but if he's that bad then no i wouldn't recommend J-J to him

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623329
I got to the water temple and ran out of bombs thanks to the wii controls making everything way harder than it should be, forcing me to backtrack to kakariko. I just sold the game afterwards.
This is my least favorite zelda game but we'll see if it's as bad as I remember from back in the day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623333
>Most people who are not absolutely retarded will notice when J-J is an option for them and make the switch
you'd be surprised
a lot of people just stick to what they're used to, even if their vocab is approaching 10k
not realizing they could easily be using J-J already
>Right now the J-J dict is this weird fixation for a lot of people who have no business using it yet
yeah i think thats dumb

[Anonymous No.]

What if you just read stuff instead of spiralling down endless recursive dictionary lookups.
These people are going to end up like the big online Onthologies, or they would be if their scatterbrains wouldn't forget 90% of the information instantly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623360
>What if you just read stuff instead
so you can transition faster. using yomichan or nazeka you can look up english and japanese definitions simultaneously. then mine a few of the words you don't know in the japanese definitions every day. it'd take like 1 minute a day.

what's wrong with that

[Anonymous No.]

Todays new words:

偶さか
頭取

[Anonymous No.]

it's now been over a year since i stopped watching a particular anime because i wasn't able to handle it ending/characters dying. i still think about it a few times a week but cant force myself to finish it. how pathetic am i lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623416
dude we'll finish LotGH eventually. i'm waiting until i'm good enough to watch it in japanese though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623416
i usually drop anime when its not ending and no one is dying

[Anonymous No.]

>なきゃ
must
>なきゃいけない
must

fucking broken ass language

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623459
whats ur issue?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623459
do you complain when someone trails off without finishing the sentence in english too

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623473
almost never happens but it's common in this broken ass language

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622801

[Anonymous No.]

how do i stop anki giving me a load of reviews in the morning and the rest of them at midnight why cant i just get them all at the start of the day

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623586
that probably happens because u do ur reviews throughout the day

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623360
Recursive dictionary lookups are only necessary in the very beginning stages of the J-J transition. A lot of words in the dictionary get used over and over again, same as any other domain-specific terminology. Besides, I think most people would consider being able to read basic Japanese dictionary definitions to be part of any fluency goal. After all, I can read dictionary definitions in English effortlessly and nearly instantly, as one would expect anyone with even passing fluency in the language to be able to. Dictionaries are there to describe Japanese using simpler Japanese; we ought to be able to understand it easily, right? It makes sense to practice reading definitions in Japanese from that standpoint.

>>21623343
Nobody's saying that you have to make the jump to J-J when you only know 1000 words; that's a strawman that you invented. But if you're reading VNs where you know 85% of the material without lookups, then you are probably holding yourself back by relying on a J-E hover-dictionary to fill in the gaps. It's too easy to hover over the word, read the English, and then instantly forget about it afterwards. By biting the bullet and going J-J, you're fighting against the very real tendency to plateau and stagnate at intermediate levels. The process of looking up words itself becomes a self-reinforcing thing where you're exposing yourself to more input in the process of looking up words from your input.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623592
ok and how do i stop it doing that then id rather go to bed can i reset the time interval somehow

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623586
check the settings for something like “new day start time”

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623163
>RTK
>read
Ahahaha anon you almost got me

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SjwO17gsqU
when u feelin bad about ur nihongo progress

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623650
My bad, the greentext was fucked up on your post so it threw me off.

I was originally arguing with some person who tried to claim that J-E and J-J both represent an equivalent break in Japanese immersion.

My overall point is that I disagree with that, because using a J-J dictionary pretty much by definition guarantees that you'll get more reading practice and input than J-E.

If you're an intermediate with 85%ish general comprehension who feels like you're making slow/no progress, then you're at precisely the right stage where you should make the jump to J-J. It can only do good for you at that point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623684
As I said, that really only happens during the first stages. As your vocabulary grows, you start hitting the "bottom" of those recursive lookups way faster, if they even happen at all. I guarantee you that even Japanese middle schoolers can read the dictionary without being confused, so if you need recursive lookups it's because you still have huge gaps in your knowledge that need to be closed, which makes the extra input useful in any case.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623684
You don't have to make it recursive. You'll figure out definitions via context and synonyms, and if you go down a rabbit hole of words you stop after it starts getting out of hand. Really not that hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623188
小学校の外国語指導助手！
つまり、ALTです :)
（でも実は助手なんかより、主に私がリードしてる笑）

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623710
>グエ
nice try. almost had me fooled

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623727
does that fucking look like ゲィ to you, you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623723
that's the main reason i dont think ill ever do jet. i want to go to japan and be a literal assistant like im meant to be, not have to run classes. isn't it against the rules anyways to have an alt run classes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623709
>As your vocabulary grows, you start hitting the "bottom" of those recursive lookups way faster,
obviously
>I guarantee you that even Japanese middle schoolers can read the dictionary without being confused
they’ve also had 13 to 15 years of nearly nonstop input and 8,000+ hours of daily classroom instruction lol wtf is your point

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623736
you definitely don’t have to lead if you don’t want too, and it is technically against the code or whatever
i lead because i love it and i know japanese too so they think i do a better job leading anyway and just let me take over
most people do the puppet role and hate it/find it boring and degrading lol i’m surprised you think you’d prefer it
but either way yeah they don’t expect ALT’s to lead, i just do so by choice

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623739
The point is that we all (presumably) want to understand stuff that's geared towards people ranging from high school kid to young adult age, right?

So if you can't even read a dictionary in their language, how do you expect to do that? You have an even lower level of understanding of their media at that level than if you had just waited for a translation or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623735
>ゲィ
wrong again

[Anonymous No.]

>>21616352


今から約80年前に、国の主導でその様に改定したから。
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_kana_usage
(Languages　-> 日本語 のページも)

この改定が有った時代には、既に「ゐ」「ゑ」は「い」「え」と発音されていて、
元の「うぃ」「うぇ」発音が形骸化してしまっていたため…と、言われている。

When this revision had been made, "ゐ(wi)" and "ゑ(we)" were already pronounced as "い(i)" and "え(e)",
It is said that the original "ゐ" and "ゑ" pronunciation have been transformed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623755
all of that takes time though? why are you speaking like it’s 当たり前 for people who’ve been learning for a couple years to be at the level of a native who’s gotten 50x more input and instruction
be more reasonable and less snobby pls

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623752
idk dude it seems to me from the outside that theres a crazy amount of variation in terms of job responsibility depending where they send you. ive seen a lot of posts on reddit about people who didnt really have the choice like you do and were so busy they had to do lesson planning for hours at home. and other people working at 2-3 schools at the same time. though if it is against the code i guess you could just put your foot down and say you aren't going to do it.
> i’m surprised you think you’d prefer it
i won't enjoy teaching anyways. basically i want to have a paid vacation in japan where i do menial work and have a bunch of free time to fuck around and get better at the language

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623774
Nobody's saying that. How about you be less fallacious in your arguments?
The goal, at least for me and (I believe) most others in here, is to be able to fluently understand pretty much any manga, anime, drama, or whatever the fuck we come across. Yes, reading about the language in the target language itself and recursively looking up words helps with that. You're never going to get to that level without taking the time to learn lots and lots and lots of words, tens of thousands of them. That's the only way I can see to break out of 85% pseudo-understanding into fluent comprehension. As the frequency of word usage tapers off logarithmically, going from 99% to 100% comprehension takes as long as going from 0 to 99% before it. It's kind of like leveling up in runescape. So yeah, I don't see recursively looking up words and learning to read a dictionary to be a waste of time at all as it helps me to reach my goal.

[Anonymous No.]

So normally 私 when pronounced by a female character is あたし, but when a dude is writing a story (pic related, sample lines from harem girls in some LN and some dialogue from a loli in an H-doujin), they're doing the thing where they spell out Kanji in Hiragana due to naivete/some other reason, yet 私 is written as わたし

Is this him forgetting to write it in the femenine pronunciation due to him being a guy? Or is this intended and correct? It sounds off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622347
0

>>21622808
Manga isn't reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623848
girls can say watashi too

[Anonymous No.]

i'm glad i stop myself from getting too pulled into weebworld. it's alluring but it's not healthy

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623874
same here, never got the appeal of jerking off to 2d let alone lolis. dont like ecchi at all lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623874
I just don't want to be chuuto-hanpa about it. I'll be sekai-ichi at nihongo, all you kisamas will bow to me then

[Anonymous No.]

how many VNs do i have to read before i can start reading what i'm interested in?

i have read 2 VNs so far.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623848
私 when pronounced... stop right there. hanja are not letters they are symbols, meaning that they don't have "pronunciations" they are symbols which are used to represent words

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623885
>don't like ecchi at all
あなたはグエ

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623874
>alluring
Not even that, anime that's not movies look nasty to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623888
how the fuck should we know? try to read whatever you want and if it's too hard, do something easier till you get good enough. the "just read it no matter how fucking hard it is or how miserable you are while doing it" posters will be along shortly with their take on it

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623897
wtf does this even mean? there are plenty of great anime shows. fuckin ghibli redditors

[Anonymous No.]

Finally got back into Japanese again after a month away (was busy binging war documentaries in eigo).

Hail eroge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623888
According to my calculations, you'll be ready after precisely 38.333 (repeating of course) VNs. Good luck!

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623906
Disliked and unsubscribed.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4t8Fuk-SCQ

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMqEikyh6lg

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623939
>外人
そとひと?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623939
Kohhgohh

[Anonymous No.]

i think i'm gonna do it guys i'm gonna watch kuroko no basket and mine it

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623948
ganbatte anon-kun, I hope you make many gains in the process

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623955
that wasn't funny. but sometimes comments like that can be funny because you don't expect them

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623919
>>21623953

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623961
i dont know, the unwarranted absurdity of it just gets me

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623888
hard to know since we're not psychic and don't know what you're interested in unless you tell us but 0 if what you're interested in is nukige

[Anonymous No.]

Turns out I have 165GB of eroge on the drive that I'm about to nuke with memelux

[moenigger No.]

>>21623953
nice post

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623972
you don't necessarily have to nuke your hard drive, it's possible to shrink existing partitions to make space for a new one. never done it myself so i dunno how exactly it works though.

make sure you at least set up a windows dual boot though or invest in a second machine with windows on it otherwise you'll regret it when you try to play certain vns only to find out they refuse to work in either wine or virtualbox.

[Anonymous No.]

Can you translate this?
楽しい仕事紹介してやらないとな

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621141
We're all used to doing this in some capacity
0 is read as "zero"
1 is read as "one"
Yet 10 is "ten"?? 11 is "eleven"?? lol omg wtf is with this backwards language!! Symbols aren't supposed to just change their pronunciation based on context!

[Anonymous No.]

>Open anki
>Work on nihongo
>Get bored
>Jerk off
>Repeat often enough that I start getting hard when I do my reps
I wish I was joking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624023
>this isn't motivation
You fap to JAV right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624003
"oniichan no, i poop from there"

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623902
>he thinks soul went away is the only anime that's a movie

[Anonymous No.]

is it bad to mine a word that is similar to words i already know and for which i don't need another card but i like the line it's from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624003
>>21624041
It is "I have to introduce you to a fun work"

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624044
I mean if it's used relatively frequently you'll still need to know it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624044
no... if something about the sentence, wording, phrasing etc. is interesting to you then it could be worth mining that sentence to keep those structures fresh in your memory over time

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624042
huh? howd you get to that conclusion? i called him a ghibli redditor because he's a casual retard that dismisses all anime shows as nasty lol

[Anonymous No.]

how the hell is anime "nasty". you might not like it which makes you a subhuman ape but it's not "nasty"

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624065
Not that anon but I imagine most normies would find a lot of anime "nasty" just because of the fanservice and lolis that are prevalent in so many shows.

[moenigger No.]

would love to creampie aoba

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623848




「わたし」は、「男女(だんじょ)」どちらでも使えるえけど、女性は男性と違って
正式な場でしか使わない訳ではなく、むしろ、その区別がない。
= 男性は正式な場でしか使わない事の方が多い。(日常会話では、 僕、俺、自分)

「あたし」は、基本的に「女性言葉」なので、男性が使うのは変。おかしい[= 非常識]。
(役者としての「台詞」や、オカマ/ニューハーフ/女装が趣味の特殊性癖の人は除く)
漫画、アニメ、ラノベなどではこの逆で、「男言葉」の「ぼく(僕、ボク)」や
「おれ(俺、オレ)」を使う女性キャラをわざと登場させる事も多く、サブカルの世界では、
それらを「ボクっ子/ボクっ娘（ボクっこ）」「オレっ娘（オレっこ）」と呼んでいる。
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[Anonymous No.]

>>21624107
>これと同時に「漢字」にするかどうかは、「賢さ」の指標として使われる事も多いので、
賢い人には難しい言葉と漢字を多用し、子供っぽい人には「ひらがな」や「カタカナ」にするだけで、
読み手(受け手)印象を簡単に変える事が出来るため、非常に便利な手法の一つなのです。

I never considered this before, but it makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the explanation anon-chan

[Anonymous No.]

ペアーズってアプリやってみた、すぐ消した、自殺したいなぁ

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624154
why though

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624172
寂しいから、ただライブに行きたいのに

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623953

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623775
hmm true i have heard of people in tougher situations, especially if they’re put in high schools which i’m sooo lucky i wasn’t because i like small children way more than teens anyway
>i won't enjoy teaching anyways
never really know till you try!
i tutored and stuff before this so i knew i liked teaching in general
but i understand some people don’t have the patience/interest for it
>basically i want to have a paid vacation in japan where i do menial work and have a bunch of free time to fuck around and get better at the language
that’s basically the situation i’m in lmao only the jobs not menial for me, i find it meaningful and interacting with the children warms my heart so much
but yes tons of time for japanese has been my experience
manga and games and whatever else are cheap as fuck and readily available (book off is right across from one of my schools, i go there and 立ち読み or sometimes just impulse buy 10 volumes for 100yen each)
getting to know my coworkers esp the ones around my age has been fun too, great conversation practice and i’m lucky to have a very friendly, chill work atmosphere at all my schools so talking to anyone comes so naturally now and i can ask them whatever even if it’s in a manga i’m reading
making tons of gains here, and i knew i could be making even more which is why i started the time logging thing
now i feel like i’m really taking advantage of the resources available to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624154
めっ

あのんにはしごとがのこっている

あたしにごはんをたべさせるのだ

[Anonymous No.]

>>21622423
Search for the mediafire link in the archive

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624154
べっべつにおにいちゃんのことなって

ぜんぜんすきじゃないんだからね

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623835
>a waste of time
much like all the time spent here being an aspie
practice what you preach

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624309
>Either you immerse yourself 24/7/365 or you're a J-E noob for all eternity
Nice false dichotomy lmao. People are just sharing this advice because they know it's a more efficient way to spend the time you *do* devote to learning

[Anonymous No.]

can anybody recommend really easy light novels/manga/visual novels for a beginner-ish to read?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624466
A Clockwork Ley-Line

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624487
ありがとう

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624466
flyable heart
most nukige

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624466
>>21624522
bear in mind always that "easy" is a relative term though
if you're just starting then even the easiest material will be hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624526
I'm kinda familiar with Chinese so I'm counting on that to coast me through overall meaning

[Anonymous No.]

yesterday i started watching a 実況プレイ for 苺ましゅまろ yesterday and i’m liking it

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624538
Approximately how many of these do you know the 訓読み for?
Have you read some kind of grammar guide? hojgp? imabi? tae kim? boiro? visualizing japanese grammar?

[Anonymous No.]

Well fuck I cleared my browser cache so my temporary discord account is gone. Now what?

[Anonymous No.]

mined 13 words today from my favorite episode in anime but that's not enough and i can do better

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624776
Stop doing HRT. Read lolige

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624815
13 is plenty, anon. Don't be too hard on yourself. You're improving instead of stagnating/regressing. Good on you!

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624538
Don't count on it too much... you have a slight head start in kanji writing/recognition but that will not be enough to account for how completely different chinese and japanese are

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624466
KINOS
FUCKING
TABI

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624538
Honestly the biggest benefit from knowing Chinese is that Kanji aren't going to look like arbitrary blocks to you. That's the reason people fall for the RTK meme, and now you don't have to.

[Anonymous No.]

無人島に何か一つだけ持っていけるとしたら、
何を持っていきたいですか？

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624466
Fetch something that feels like it could be good off here or the djt site.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624908
I did RTK for like 2 months (gave up after ~1200-ish) and I feel like it helped me helped me reach a higher level in reading comprehension but that might just be my 気の所為. I think the main benefit that RTK has is in making it easier to remember hand-write kanji. However, that's a skill that's waning in usefulness in this day and age. I know that it is 100% possible to read kanji without knowing how to write them from memory, so I just focus on the reading part. But if writing is important to you then using a mnemonic-oriented method like RTK is pretty much your only hope, I think, unless you are some kind of savant who's exceptionally good at memorizing chickenscratch. But yeah RTK is a meme unless you specifically want to master handwriting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624914
i would take 50,0000 hours worth of Japanese input and at least one onahole so I could become sekai-ichi no gaikoku-jin at nihon-go while pleasuring myself regularly

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624920
this is the old version from before the Revolution please post the new version

[Anonymous No.]

if reading words in a story can make you feel a certain way, whether that's happy or sad or horny or whatever
then why would the words you tell yourself in your mind be any different?
the thoughts, the "stories" that repetitively arise in your mind are always making you feel a certain way
whether that's good or bad
how do YOUR mind's "stories" make you feel?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21615479
code?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21625042
Do you mean this one?
It's barely different, in terms of what it recommends.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21624914
飛行機

[Anonymous No.]

>>21625042
What revolution? Did I miss something?

Also, where is Jamal?