/jp/ - Otaku Culture

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BAWWWWW I'M NOT ASUMU'S SON

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MY PARENTS AND LITTLE SISTER WHO'S MY OLDER SISTER FROM THE FUTURE ARE DEEEEEEEEEEAD!!

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>>2153126
>>2153136

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Is there some way to rip sprites from the game?

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>>2153152
seconding the request

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>>2153152
Let me counter with a question: Is that worth the trouble?

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>>2153163
Secret sprites in the gayme
Like Hideyoshi-beatrice

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>>2153152
I think there's a tool for extracting things from Nscripter games, it might not work with Umineko though.

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>>2153167
You better repeat that shit in red.

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>>2153178

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>>2153152

http://nscripter.insani.org/downloads/nsaout.zip

Put it in the same directory the arc.nsa file is in and run it, warning, the end result is about 2.88 gbs

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>>2153191
...I should've seen that one coming...

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>>2153178
There is also a Rosa-Beatrice, right?

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>>2153203

I wonder...

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>>2153203
What
No there isn't

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>>2153212
I remember to have seen a post with a Rosa-Beatrice on the character page here, though.
Nothing but a mock-up?

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>>2153223
Yeah that isn't in the game
Though it makes sense, Sakutarou was killed by a black witch, right?

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>>2153229
Can't remember the exact wording anymore, I think she only said 魔女, but yes Maria implies that there is a witch inside her mother that has killed Sakutarou.
Although, why do Maria and Rosa act so 仲良し in the beginning of episode 4? It doesn't mix with what "happens" afterwards.

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>>2153229

That's just what Maria thinks though

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>>2153207
If you only post fanart, nobody will believe you.

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>>2153193
Awesome, thanks.

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>>2153264
妾はだぁれ？
An imagination born from the mind of Maria.

Although:
You are the only one on the island.
I am not you.
I am going to kill you.
Who am I?

Can't really make sense from that.

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>>2153289

Do I have to spell out everything?
It's clearly a robot!

[Anonymous No.]

Does this mean that we're going to have Umineko RP threads?

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>>2153295
the answer is the island.

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>>2153295
Eva-Beatrice denied robots in EP3

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>>2153303
Oh, son of a bitch.

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>>2153319
In episode three, but does the starting conditions are the same-red include that?
There might be robots after all.

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>>2153328
Yes
In each game, the game started the same way if I recall correctly
But who cares about robots, we all know that the killer is a sniper with a farsight on a island near Rokkenjima

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>>2153350
Also, There is a tunnel linking the two islands. The killer used it to kill the remaining survivors in the mansion in EP3, confirming the red text "Nanjo was killed at point blank range"

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You can ignore all red texts.
You can ignore Battler's viewpoint.
You can use super technologies or such.

But note that what you allowed yourself shows your level.
It's Umineko discussion.

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>>2153366
And he has security camera's setup throughout the mansion and island grounds?

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Furthermore, The killer killed Kinzo beforehand and took his place. Somehow, Kinzo has a twin brother that looks exactly like him. Or would he be a clone? We already know he managed to clone Beatrice and raise her in a house in the woods.

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Battler is the killer.

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>>2153383
Why not? After EP3 (2nd mansion) and EP4 (the prison), I guess we can assume that the island hides many things.

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>>2153399
Red Ep4: There aren't 18 or more people on the island.

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>>2153409

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>>2153409
Which one?

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>>2153415
We are all Battler.

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>>2153413
If Kinzo was already dead, can we say he is "on the island"? There's still the "killer is not on the island" theory.

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>>2153409
That's what I started thinking at some point, too, because "people die because of Battler's sin of 6 years ago".
Additionally, it is implied that if he hadn't come, the Ushiromiyas wouldn't have died.

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>>2153410
Don't forget the underground room with the gold. It's probably under the chapel...

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SPOILERS WHY? GOOD STORY MUST NOT SPOIL. STOP.

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>>2153410
Why do you believe there is a prison?

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>>2153425
It's a cheap plot device, but it's very effective... I hope Ryu07 doesn't fall that low.

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>>2153427
Judging by the photo Ange sees 12 years later most likely.

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>>2153436
I mean where Krauss and the others were locked

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It's witches

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>>2153442
I don't know... I'm guessing this based on the epitaph, I didn't read Ep.4 yet. Note that in ep.2, when Beato and Meta-Battler were arguing it was only said there are no EXITS. So passages that don't lead outside are allowed. Yeah. Maybe.

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>>2153448
I mean why you believe Krauss and the others were locked.

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The epitaph is a fuckload of shit
We don't even know the answer
It's like when that faggot Battler closed his ears
RYU IS TOO LAZY TO FIND ACTUAL ANSWERS AND SOLUTIONS

[Anonymous No.]

This picture explains everything in Umineko

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>>2153460
Why would Kirie and Klaus lie, which is possible, but without a motive it doesn't seem likely.

It is interesting, though, that they keep up the facade of Kinzo living all the time. That accepting Kinzo thing is still a bit foggy, though.

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>>2153479
Surprisingly accurate.

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>>2153482
No, put Bernkastel there.

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>>2153484
Well, then also lambdadelta

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>>2153484
TWEEEESST:
It was Beatrice that was controlling her and 34 all along

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>>2153479
I agree, she's a master troll.
I get the feeling the "truth" is in Episode 1, as next episodes feed the reader with magic bullshit. The "red truth" doesn't actually state facts, but set up the base for discussion between Battler and Beatrice. She just can't contradict herself...
>>2153468
He will post them, but contradict himself and fuck everything up.

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>>2153491
>>2153484
>>2153488
No, no. It was super-paper all along... she's behind everything!

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Oh, by the way.

What exactly did Ange see in the boatman's house?

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>>2153500
Ryuukishi07 has said that the identity of Lambdadelta concerns the truth closely.
It isn't a time to relate her and Takano.
We have to speculate "what Lambdadelta is" seriously.

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>>2153505
his penis

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>>2153525
His dead not-mother! Seriously.

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>>2153525
Lambdadelta is easy to ignore, because she shows up so infrequently, but the tea party 3 was.... interesting.

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>>2153525
Alright let's speculate then
With our own blue text: the spoiler tags
Lambdadelta is from "When They Cry 2", which explains why Higurashi is "When They Cry" and Umineko is "When They Cry 3"
Ryu's gonna make a cliffhanger at the end of the first answer arc and start writing WTC2 which happens prior to Umineko. The rest of the answer arcs will be released when WTC2 is finished.
She is a relative of Takano.

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>>2153547
boring

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>>2153544
Let's use the "magic theory" now. Beatrice is Jessica's alter ego (note that Virgilia comes from Kumasawa, who is her servant, same as Beatrice's.) Super-paper (i'm not using 34 or miyo or whatever, it points too much to the higurashi universe, thus impeding my reasoning.) gave her power at some point to do SOMETHING (i have to read the episodes more carefully...)This might be total bullshit, so any corrections are welcome.

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>>2153547
I answer in red:
When They Cry 2 is Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai.

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>>2153561
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

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>>2153561
No...! Kai is "When they Cry..." It's not 2... oh snap.

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>>2153588
You're right, my bad.

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>>2153560
I think "Lambdadelta = 34" speculation isn't bad.
But those who believe "34 = Miyo" might have been misleaded.

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>>2153588
Buy the game and see your own mistake, scrub

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>>2153613
Who's 34 again?

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>>2153619
>buy
No comment on that one...But i guess you might be right.

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>>2153613
It is heavily implied in the TIPS and Lambda's memoire that Takano is only a human who got her wish granted by lambdadelta.

Her appearance is probably as a result of herself helping Takano, but takano didn't evolved from human to witch, especially that it is implied that bernkastel and lambda had their little match in higurashi from the very start.

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>>2153640
Kai and Rei have respectively "When they cry 2" and "When they cry 2+".

Hence, buy instead of claiming impudent bullshit because you don't know shit.

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>>2153647
Exacly. That's why i'm saying that Beatrice = Jessica, because that really reminds me of Miyoko's situation. Oh, and Miyoko =>challenging the god (34) => turns into 34's avatar, miyo. That's what i think.

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>>2153666
That doesn't make any sense with episode 3.
And even worse with beato's clash with Shanon thorough the series.

Moreso, it rather sounds like beatrice (the human) became a witch in order to live, and went on rampage.
Or, from my own personal theory: it is possible that beato was created by Battler himself as the later probably figured an ugly truth from episode 1 and wished unconsciously that it is rather a witch.

if he is stalled for all eternity, he would escape from the thought that any of his family or servants was the culprit

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>>2153679
>became a witch in order to live
There is no witches could exist.

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>>2153679
>Or, from my own personal theory: it is possible that beato was created by Battler himself as the later probably figured an ugly truth from episode 1 and wished unconsciously that it is rather a witch.
That's a VERY good point. Beatrice appears when Battler is asked "who did it?"... So she is his delusion? Or a summon? Fabricated criminal?
Something tells me that the banquet (everybody fucking dies and gets eaten by demons) is bullshit, or a metaphor.

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>>2153679
>>2153666
>That doesn't make any sense with episode 3.
And even worse with beato's clash with Shanon thorough the series.

Fine then, ignore the Jessica part. What do you think about the latter theory?

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>>2153621
In Japanese forums, there have been some "non-Miyo" theories.
One of them says it's Shannon.
It might be difficult for non-Japanese speakers, but Sayo can be read as "3(sa)4(yo)".
Lambdadelta is an entity who made Beatrice a witch. And Shannon broke the mirror and released Beatrice's power into Rokkenjima.
We can say that they practically did the same thing to Beatrice's magic, which works in Rokkenjima at October 4-5 1986.

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>>2153754
>Sayo can be read as "3(sa)4(yo)
Mind = blown.
It could be a trap set by Ryu for people who try to connect everything with higurashi.

I have a strange feeling that the actual setting is in episode 1,then Battler goes delusional and plays chess with "death" (Beatrice).
If Ryu uses "Divine Comedy", then why wouldn't he use that? You know, playing chess with death.

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Screw Rokkenjima. I want to taste this magnificent bastard's cookies.

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>>2153797
Ronove and his cookies are Battler's delusion... He represents his "gay" side.

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>>2153479
LOL I TROLL YOU

[MolesterJim No.]

>>2153810
You mean his FABULOUS side.

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>>2153754
Oh, thanks.

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>>2153863
Of course, my bad.
>>2153754
Then why would she kill herself? You contradicted my statement, but your theory makes even less sense...

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>>2153907
> Then why would she kill herself?
Herself? We don't know who killed her.

And you shouldn't think motives first.
Until now, we also don't know anything about what they think. All their emotions might be lies.
What we should speculate first is the structure of the story, as an anti-fantasy.

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"I wonder if you have already noticed this world's structure.
There can be no contest without knowing the rules."

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MUST - RESIST - CHECKING - SPOILERTAGS

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>>2154041
Damn my inability to read Japanese!

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>>2154041
Speculations are in spoilertags, some actually accurate.
Go ahead, it's not like there is any risk, right?

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>>2153965
>>2153999
So what could the structure be?
We know that Bernkastel is powerless against Beatrice's rule.
And that 36 could easily destroy it.

Bern's power allow her to have infinite continue if there's even one chance for her to win.
I don't see how anything could defeat that power in normal condition, it's strange that Bern is so sure that her power could never work on Beatrice.

In a "normal" world, it's sure that one way or another Battler or someone else would be able to catch the culprit or something, if they could retry again and again.

So my theory is that either something happened prior to the 2 days that forced the characters to react in a "scripted" way.
Or that pretty much everything that happen is literally a script, a delusion or a fiction, most likely from Maria or Battler.

It would make sense at least for Bern's power to not work against events that are already "written".
Though I'm probably wrong.

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>>2154122
>>And that 34 could easily destroy it.
Fixed.

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>>2154122
Good point, i was always wondering what is the relation between meta-Battler and gameboard Battler, to what extent can he control him? I think that Battler had control over himself only in episode 1 (the reality), and people in episodes 2+ are scripted as you say.
It's like the magic starts when Battler sees that it was Maria all along,as Beatrice follows his own rules (read the first episode and the tea party carefully.),and therefore i suspect Beatrice is his delusion and the whole chess game is just in his mind, would that make "Beatrice" the part of his own mind that wants to accept witches and run away from reality?

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So, if he has sex with Beatrice, is it masturbation?

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>>2154122
>>2154129
...In other words... the only thing that can destroy the gameboard... is rule 34?

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COMA END CONFIRMED

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An interesting point, remember in episode 1 when Kanon went after Beatrice with a HATCHET?

....why? Later (in episode 2) we find out that has magic pseudo bullshit handblade

I have the feeling that episode 2 and 3 never "happened"

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>>2154216
YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH

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>>2154258
The last answer arc will resume episode 1 at the portrait.

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>>2154258
Kanon pulled a lightsaber out of his ass.

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NEW THEORY
All characters with akuwarai*.bmp are the murders

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>>2154493
Let me check if Battler is on the list...

[MolesterJim No.]

Episode 1 is the truth of events. No magic, as someone pointed Kanon using hatchets. Rudolph saying 'IMMA DIE TONIGHT', which means death was imminent without any demons appearing or anything of the short. So called Witches and meta-logic games can only exist as long as episode 1 is not rationally explained. All the following episodes will help meta Battler realize the secrets of the island, like the riddle, extra villa, people secrets etc and give the answer. Something like that.

Ridiculous theory end.

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>>2154493
wal_akuwarai1 never gets old.

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>>2154535
>Episode 1 is the truth of events. No magic
But battler's been trying to prove that since eps 2

[MolesterJim No.]

>>2154549
He can only watch and debate on each current episode.
He does not have META knowledge for episode 1.

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>>2154197
I doubt Battler is scripted or should I rather say there is absolutely no doubt that he (not necessarily Meta-Battler) has control over himself.
It show clearly towards the end of episode 4, that Beatrice could not predict if he knew what he was asked for as test.. That means there is at least some degree of freedom.

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>>2154549
No, Battler got sucked into a twisted chess game with a "witch". He's only capable of not surrendering, gradually losing the hold on reality...

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>>2154535
It is a shame, but episode one is dort of filed away without definite solution later on.

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>>2154559
I don't know the degree, but it seems to be rather small, he only has the basic freedom, but he can't walk around the mansion (and look for gold/the culprit)/run away into the forest to look for Kuwadorian.

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>>2154575
And that's exacly what makes it so important.This is the REAL unresolved mystery.

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>>2154597
Perhaps should I rather have said episode one is solved from Battler's point of view, since the witch has surrendered, but after that Lamda has pointed out Beatrice could have done much better and immediately tears Battler's explanation apart with red.

Well, let's see what the fifth game brings.

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>>2154638
Are you basing this on episode 4?

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>>2154661
Yes.

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>>2154668
Figures... I'm basing on the first three.And it looks like it will be weeks before i can say anything about episode 4.
By the way, what's the romanji for 亞?

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck, haven't played Ep. 4 yet, must...not...look at...spoilers!

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>>2154697
You mean as in Maria? "a".

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In episode 3 the true culprit is not Eva. She killed one person though, Battler because she thought he is the murderer. Everything was done by the 19th person. There are no such things as witches or magic. The red text is the truth, Kinzo was dead when Beatrice stated the number of humans on the island. That's why the corpse is burned, you can't guess the exact time of his death.
I don't know what happens in Ep4

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What about 07151129?

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>>2154720
Remember that number well.

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>>2154720
1129 is either a year, or far more likely the day he 'dies'.

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>>2154715
I figured that much out...I can't find any words that start with that kanji... Is that a part of a word?

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>>2154730
>>2154732
Is it connected with Battler's sin? November 29th...

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>>2154735
No idea. What about entering it into edict?

[Anonymous No.]

12/29 is Umineko4's release date
11/19 is Ryukishi07's birthdate

[Anonymous No.]

Oh, i have an idea:
So let's say Battler pissed off Beatrice six years ago, a.k.a. his sin.She possesed Maria. Maria kills everyone in episode 1.
...stupid.

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>>2154746
Why not? But why would the (supposedly) culprit send money in bank accounts which password is 07151129 to the victims' family? So the other Battler is the real culprit?

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>>2154638
Say, what if the red text was actually bullshit? What if it's only true in the discussion? In the Purgatory(meta-world) Beatrice is a witch, she doesn't have to play fair.If we say the only thing she can't do with red is contradict herself (or the scam will be possible to prove), then...there IS a way.

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>>2154794
Sorry, i didn't read ep.4.And i'm REALLY urged to ask for FULL spoilers... damn.Care to explain further? (in spoilertags)

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>>2154829
Alright
In Ange's world ("aftermath" of EP3 with Eva surviving), we learn that Kumasawa's son, Nanjo's son and Ange herself got letters soon after the incident containing a keycard with a password: 07151129. These were for a bank account with some money on it, can't remember how much exactly but of course not as much as Kinzo's hidden gold.

[Anonymous No.]

Did the numbers show up somewhere in eps 2 or 1?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2154895
Nope...
>>2154862
Doesn't tell me anything...damn.
What about "Battler's sin"?

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>>2154116
and some are of those who've played EP4

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>>2154972
I know this is kind of a dick move from some asshole that doesn't understand Japanese, but would it be possible to somehow let the minority, such as myself, differentiate between episode 4 and 1-3 spoilers?

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>>2154972
With EP4, things do get more and more ridiculous
So ridiculous you'd think this is just a dream or something

[Anonymous No.]

Okay.

The seven stakes each represent the one of the adults and their motivations. The stake that kills people in the twilights is meant to hint at which adult killed them in real life. EP3 suggests that Leviathan and Belphegor represent Kyrie and Rudolph. I also have a suspicion that Mammon is Eva, considering her and Ange's interactions in EP4.

By the same token, the Siestas are probably another group of people, (either the kids or the furniture) and Rudolph and Gaap act as facilitators to the 'witch'.

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>>2154981
In the email field or something?

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>>2155014
Thank you very much, that will fuel my reasoning.
And i think you meant "Ronove", not "Rudolph".

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>>2155014
Also.If Evan was Mammon, then Hideyoshi could easily be Beelzebub, considering that Mammon and her are supposed to have similar personalities, and that Hideyoshi is a rather chubby man.

As for the others, Lucifer = Kraus (oldest yet the most insecure), Asmodeus = Rosa (youngest, without a partner) and Natsuhi seems to fit well as the crybaby Leviathan.

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>>2155040
Yeah, messed up on the last one. if Ronove is meant to represent Godha, I will laugh myself silly.

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>>2155014
So...
Krauss - Lucifer
Eva - Mammon
Rudolph - Asmodeus
Rosa - Belphegor
Natsuhi - Satan
Hideyoshi - Beelzebub
Kyrie - Leviathan

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>>2155060
Damn, screwed up there. Used Leviathan twice, and Natsuhi doesn't seem like the type to represent Satan, unless Satan = Krauss and Natsuhi = Lucifer, which makes a lot more sense.

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>>2155070
Siestas = the kids... then... Battler is 7.62 NATO?

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>>2155107
Natsuhi is wrathful, as seen in episode 1 - the "friendly" chat. And it's really likely for her to kill Kanon in the boiler room!

[Anonymous No.]

>>2155107
Also Satan's profile suggesting that she's the 'class president' does suggest Natsuhi due to her being a member of the PTA.

Dammit, Answer arcs hurry up!

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>>2155118

She couldn't of. We knew where she was at the time.

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>>2155137
Have, not of.

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>>2155137
Then the metaphor does not apply before the delusional chapters (2+).
Siestas:
410 - Jessica(tsundora)
45 - George(weak personality)
00 - Maria?? I didn't read episode 4.But she's the only one left.[/spoiler
The dead one...7.62...Battler!?

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>>2155153
Doesn't matter...
Wait, the old Battler is 7.62... the new one is Ronove? The FABULOUS side?

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>>2155137
Wasn't there some person seen leaving through the back door? Anyway it has been confirmed hasn't killed himself.

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>>2155097
Doesn't Kanon beat Lucifer in a fight in EP2? It doesn't seem likely that he'd win against Krauss, unless the whole battle was meant to represent an argument, possibly about Krauss/Natsuhi finding out about Jessica's attraction to him.

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>>2155154
Didn't the Siestas give different responses to the test question than the cousins?

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>>2155185
I.DON'T.KNOW.EPISODE.4!

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>>2155195
Oh sorry

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>>2155182
If that's so, then you could argue that each time Shannon or Jessica gives their speech about love to Beato, it's actually them being confronted by Eva/Natsuhi about their secret relationship.

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>>2154638
I want to tackle this, was Lambda the one who tore it apart? Or was it Beato?

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>>2155097
Correction:
Rudolph - Belphegor and Rosa - Asmodeus? the personalities would match (in Rosa's case, is Rudolph hard-working?), but the sins don't...I'm pretty sure of the others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2155182
>>2155215
So Ep.1 is factual and the others are metaphorical? That would support my theory...

[Anonymous No.]

In EP2, Satan and Asmodeus are the ones that kill Jessica and Kanon in the second twilight. I can't seem to wrap my head around why Natsuhi would kill off her daughter, nor why Rosa would help her. It also suggests that one of the bodies in the 1st twilight is a fake.

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>>2155223
Lambda. Beatrice and Battler don't know about it.
It happens in ???? Ep4.

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>>2155280
Yes, Nanjo didn't make an autopsy(he was in his room at the time).I'm actually interested WHAT happens at midnight, October 4 to make the adults kill 6 people.
...i think the stake hunt in episode 3 (1st twilight) may be a metaphor of 7 adults looking for sacrifices... So does this metaphor even work with ep.2? or it's ep.3-4 exclusively? (It's incredibly accurate in ep3.

[Anonymous No.]

Holy fuck

All of your theories are shit

It's like you never even played the games

[Anonymous No.]

>>2155286
Then who does she tell that? Bernkastel? I bet bern is a master troll

[Anonymous No.]

>>2155311
Then give it your best shot, Sherlock.

[Anonymous No.]

You know, magic didn't suddenly just kick in until episode two and we were told the story of Shanon and George, including, most importantly, the mirror

Now, I know we assumed that the only difference between the three games were actions performed by Beato but what if that's not true?

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>>2155310
Well, Rosa does seem to have a major change in attitude after the murder of those two occurs, going on the offensive. She also was quick enough to suggest that Kanon could've been the culprit. It's not entirely unreasonable to think that Krauss/Natsuhi made a deal with Rosa to betray her other two siblings.

What I don't get then is the 'Fake Kanon' that shows later.

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>>2155264
Maybe neither the family members nor the kids were responsible for any of the murders in EP1?

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>>2155345
I get the feeling that the only reason we're told of the mirror in EP2 is to establish their relationship as a motive for the murders, either on the part of the George's parents or George and Shannon themselves.

In any case, it suggests that In EP1, their relationship is still secret, whereas in EP2 (and probably EP3 and 4, they're found out.

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>>2155360
Think about it... Whose point of view was shown in that scene?
I think the things we "see" in episode 2 and 3 are told by Beatrice, e.g. it's the bullshit she's feeding Battler.So the whole "Kanon is dead" might be a false lead.

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>>2155371
Then who?

[Anonymous No.]

Ange dies
Battler isn't the real Battler
What Battler did 6 years ago caused the incident
Beatrice wants Battler to kill her
Kinzo was dead at the beginning of each game
There are 17 people on the island
Rosa kills Sakutaro and Siesta 556
Lambdadelta isn't on Beatrice's side
Bernkastel is evil
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>>2155390
Maybe it's all an inside job. That the staff, on finding Kinzo dead, decide that they no longer had any reason to be loyal to the Ushiromiyas.

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>>2155390
Nobody
There is no murder, only imagination
Nothing happened
Everything is just Ange orgasming over her imagined brother's adventure while she's in coma because of a car accident where she lost her parents and brother

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>>2155401
I thought we all agreed that Battler fell off the boat at the start of EP1 and it was all a coma-induced dream?

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>>2155394
You forgot "Ryukishi07 sucks at romantic stories"

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>>2155406
THE BOAT GUY KILLED BATTLER
HE IS THE CULPRIT

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>>2155401
>>2155406

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>>2155411
It all makes sense! Since he's not on the island, but on the boat, he doesn't count as one of the 18, and he picks off people with a sniper rifle.

Another case solved.

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>Battler isn't the real Battler
explain further...

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>>2155423
In the middle of a fucking typhoon?

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>>2155423
Nanjo was killed at point blank range by a shotgun-like weapon, confirmed red text
Unless he plays danmaku and his bullets shoot bullets, I don't think this works

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>>2155423
Should have used this. >>2155041

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>>2155432
>>2155437
ITT we take Cirno's opinions seriously.

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>>2155426
FAGGOT MADE EVERYTHING HAPPEN
DOESN'T REMEMBER ANYTHING
ISN'T ASUMU'S SON, PROBABLY KYRIE'S
REAL BATTLER IS ACTUALLY ASUMU'S SON

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Why does it matter if hes not the real Battler?
The real Battler isnt fighting the witches.

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SURE IS FULL OF SPOILER TAGS IN THIS THREAD

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>>2155632
No, he's killing people and making it like witches did it

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>>2155397
What I like about this theory is that while it's easy for Battler to accept a servant causing the murders, he'd be more reluctant to accept a family member doing it, so he invents all the magic like the stakes to protect his image of them. It might also explain the seistas in EP3, since Battler gets more disillusioned with the adults since the talk of money comes up, so he wants to believe that the kids are at least above the squabbles.

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why do you guys want the coma end so badly?

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>>2155738
Because then no one will die.Except for Ange.

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>>2155505
Yea, he probably is Kyrie's but isn't Kyrie envious of Asumu that mean even she doesn't know but we don't know this as it was never out right put in Battler's face >_> but there is the chance this is true but then only Rudolf would know who he is.

Any chance of him being kidnapped when he was a fuckin' baby? And sumu being the one with the stillborn and took him or did Rudolf take him and give him to Asumu?

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>>2155752
I still suspect that the Battler baby-swap is tied into Natsuhi and Eva's competition to have children to become head of the family. Wasn't it mentioned that Nastuhi and Krauss had problems trying to have a child anyway?

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kyrie had miscarriage. you can rule out the possibility that battler is kyrie's son.

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>>2156021

Unless it is stated in red text in episode 4 or we see her giving birth... we only have it through Kyrie's mouth. That's not confirmation at all.

Also I feel it worth mentioning that if Battler is Kyrie's real son, her whole envy schpeel in episode 3 is bullocks. Which would make sense even in the anti-mystery point of view since the stakes can't hurt someone that hasn't committed that sin (I like to consider both sides).

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With all the discussions about split personalities and repressed memories, do you think hypnotism could be the new Hinamizawa Syndrome? Like if Rosa and Eva's bad sides were the result of experimenting by Kinzo, or Battler being brainwashed by Kyrie or Rudolf to think that he was Asumu's son?

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>>2155772
Also, Battler and Ange both have red hair - where does that come from?
Not from Rudolf or Kirie.

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>>2157796
Well, he is probably Kinzo's grandson, and Eva has red hair, so I guess the gene is in the family at least.

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