Nico stopped serving nm SWF files, what to do now?

[Anonymous No.]

This must be a recent move and another step in wiping another page of history.

From now on, those older SWF files from certain nm videos are now being converted to MP4 at an output resolution matching the one specified in the original SWF, rather than defaulting to 1080p. This means SWF files with a specified resolution of 512x384 (plenty of them) get reencoded to 640x360 with pillarboxing! You read it right. Videos with an input resolution of, say, 960x720 had better luck however.

So I was wondering if any people here happened to have some of those SWF files in their possession so they can be archived. I wonder if some of these haven't already been archived to https://swf.flash.moe (it would be great).

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>>21361088
fun fact: there is no real replacement for adobe flash

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>>21361165
The "replacement" is web 2.0 phone apps filled with ads you can't block that require permissions to send your mother's phone number to HQ.

It's funny that Flash has been destroyed in the name of "security", when the things replacing it are far less secure and filled with blatant back doors.

[Anonymous No.]

Hiro is going to kill /f/ next year isn't he

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>>21361165
fun fact 2: I can still view old flash games circa 2003 in 8k resolution without losing quality because vectors.
You cannot name anything better than adobe flash format to contain quick interactive content you can open with a single file.

[Anonymous No.]

Well, this sucks, but it's hardly worth doomposting about
at least that's what I keep telling myself

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone who unironically defends the abomination that was Macromedia Flash either has their nostalgia goggles on so tight they can't think straight or is too young to remember the dark days of the Web when entire sites would be written in the shit. A proprietary, closed-source format like Flash should have never become a de facto standard in the first place and it absolutely had to die for the Web to move forward.

Yeah it sucks that it will be more difficult to view old fun Flash stuff going forward, but that's just a demonstration of how much Flash sucked in the first place. This is what happens when you rely on proprietary software--the vendor can just kill it. This will never happen with HTML5.

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>>21361165
HTML5 is great, though. Sprite count?! Who cares about that?

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>>21361568
Where is my one-file downloadable html5 with interactive content then?

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>>21361179
>when the things replacing it are far less secure
Mobile applications are more secure than Flash. Attacks that breach the sandbox are more rare, especially on iOS. A lot of mobile apps want to take and sell your data, but now you must invite them in like a vampire.

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>>21361616
>you must invite them
Then you don’t agree, then you don’t play the thing, then that system is useless.

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If flash is so great, someone will just make an open source clone.

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>>21361647
html5 was supposedly to be an alternative open source container of code with interactive content but it failed miserably, still the most popular commercial content of websites like dlsite is still in flash format

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>>21361326
There is a subculture of people trying to solve this problem for interactive content. They create ``fantasy consoles'', emulators for consoles that never existed. Their ``consoles'' are intended to be easy to start working with and many have a code/sprite/music editor built in. Once you build a game, you can run the ROM file in any emulator for this ``console''. If it is popular, it is going to have desktop and browser emulators. I wish one of them caught on with Japanese doujin developers.

>>21361568
>entire sites would be written in the shit
Just wait until entire websites are rendered with <canvas> and WebGL. I've already seen a few.

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>>21361682
How do you feel about unity being the new method of distributing simple games? There's already sites like newgrounds for it. What does nicovideo use for its simple games section?

The old videos OP is talking about are just like FLV or something right and don't have any actual interactive functionality, right?

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>>21361734
How is that different from Unity, Java, or RPG maker?

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>>21361734
This sounds really dumb, honestly. If you like working within coding limitations, you're better off developing for a real console. Then you also get the fun of running your rom on real hardware.

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>>21361792
They have no general-purpose system APIs like in Java. The attack surface is consequentially smaller. They are more like a gaming console than either Unity or RPG Maker. Fewer things change a lot from version to version. You know what the system you are getting can and can't do. No need to introduce settings for graphical fidelity.

>>21361841
Admittedly, the people behind those seem to be trying to have their cake and eat it, too. I think they want the hardware limitations for creative reasons, but they also want their users to have an easier, friendlier development environment compared to a real 16-bit console.

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>>21361861
>The attack surface is consequentially smaller.
End users don't care about this. If they did, nobody would own a phone.

>They are more like a gaming console than either Unity or RPG Maker.
Hardly. They might present that image, but it's all fakery.

>No need to introduce settings for graphical fidelity.
This isn't an issue if you're doing basically anything in 2D anyway.

>I think they want the hardware limitations for creative reasons, but they also want their users to have an easier, friendlier development environment compared to a real 16-bit console.
This is what I don't understand, because they could just use Unity and stick to those limitations themselves. Or, if they're hung up on limitations, they can stick to ones that actually make sense because they were designed for real hardware, not an arbitrary virtual machine.

I think it's just trash for hipsters. The same kind of people who use Gameboys as jewellery and proclaim themselves super retro because they own a genesis they haven't touched in the 5 years since they bought it at a flea market.

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>>21361904
>They might present that image, but it's all fakery.
It is a simulation, but it isn't fakery. For example, PICO-8 has all of your data in a single address space you can peek and poke around.

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>>21361780
>The old videos OP is talking about are just like FLV or something right and don't have any actual interactive functionality, right?

Nah, many were SWFs which were optimized for the NND player. While they could not be played directly on their own, most could be completely decompiled for their raw content and re-encoded. For example, I used JPEXS and ffmpeg, to encode this, among others: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOPVk1H03YM

However, I couldn't decompile swfs which were made using Niconico's ersatz "Nico Nico Movie Maker".

Anywho, because of the effort involved in decompiling the swf, I imagine few were saved.

[Anonymous No.]

Too bad I fucked up my RAID5 setup, so my Nicofox-folder is corrupted.

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>>21361780
>The old videos OP is talking about are just like FLV or something right and don't have any actual interactive functionality, right?
No.

[Anonymous No.]

The .swf files are still on the server so archiving is still possible. You can download them with an old version of youtube-dl [1], and play them locally using the flash projector.
To download run in the cmd: "youtube-dl -u [e-mail] https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/nm8108475"
Many NND flashes only work with old flash projector releases (latest working version seems to be Flash Player 10.3.181.34 [2]); if you want to run them with the latest projector open them with JPEXS, go to 'others'>'FileAttributes' and set 'actionScript3 : boolean' to false.
[1] https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/releases/tag/2017.08.06
[2] https://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/installers/archive/fp_10.3.181.34_archive.zip

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>>21361602
I'm playing Free Cities.html just fine

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>>21362663
Thanks Jay!

For everyone else one this thread:
Please post links to all your Niconico's videos which contain "nm*" as the video title (rather than sm*), so we can back them up.

You have no excuse if you are in this thread and don't give us a list .

[Anonymous No.]

Not related to this thread, but does anyone know at what hour it's possible to download niconico videos in non-economy quality?

[Anonymous No.]

Uploaded everything I have to Mega, download it while it's up https://mega.nz/#F!HLwASKqJ!nm_hcAdMYn8dYEDy_oKbBg

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>>21362663
Now that's what I call a great call. I tried the Nicofox add-on on my side (running on a separate Firefox 52) and it does still retrieve the SWF files too indeed. So there's still hope. And that's great news.

However, you have to use a modified Nicofox in order to still be able to download with HTTPS (the original Nicofox only works with HTTP). Here it is: https://github.com/littlebtc/nicofox/files/2497186/nicofox.littlebtc.zip

So I took this opportunity to back up all SWFs by コウキ on my side: https://mega.nz/#!ON5RXApY!6c8VSTIGddNcDbieNEPMgexz-TgrOPsOYYLEvNGHgok

>>21363349
Thanks a lot for these! However, I see some 0-byte files there.

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>>21363770
>Thanks a lot for these! However, I see some 0-byte files there.
Everything should be working now.

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>>21363349
>>21363824
new link. sorry for spamming
https://mega.nz/#F!eeIFmIqL!uLy09sJDnCWDoGa6xLF4XQ

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>>21362985
>Please post links to all your Niconico's videos which contain "nm*" as the video title (rather than sm*), so we can back them up.
I don't actually have any of them with that ending. Checking my history, I only found 4 things with that on it, none of which are worth saving.

https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/nm10749141
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/nm8448142
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/nm18241171
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/nm13498567

[Anonymous No.]

Does this have anything to do with every video taking forever to buffer for me recently, or is that just my connection?

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>>21364623
Either you're opening too many videos or having problems with the segmented files and need to switch to the whole file version

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>>21363342
please respond

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>>21364846
>>21363342
Right now?

[Anonymous No.]

Fucking RIP.
So, how do you download nicovideo/fc2 videos now? haven't done it in a few years. Managed to get the url, but the download is slow as fuck, I wonder is flashget still works

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>>21364254
Videos with sm* are not affected, so don't worry.

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>>21364955
what's the purpose of the difference between those letters anyway?

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>>21363342
There is no garaunteed hours, but essentially it would be the morning hours in Japan on workdays.

It's intentionally inconvenient, to encourage switching to premium.

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>>21364976
nm* is for flash
sm* is for mp4, and formally flv

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>>21364886 nope
>>21364982 i see thanks

>>21364916
see >>21362663 >>21363770

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>>21364623
Same here. The site is currently basically unusable for me. Every 10 seconds of video takes 30 seconds of buffering.

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>>21364623
>>21365080
If you are outside Japan, that's the issue. I don't know the specifics, but I've found that while a VPN is also slow, accessing the website directly on a Japanese VPS resolves the issue.

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>>21361088
>>21361165
>>21361179
>>21361326
>>21361568
>>21361593
>>21361602
>>21361682
The only real answer here is WASM.

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>>21361602
On 4t*b*.

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>>21362663
>>21363770
You may want to alert the Archive Team. They already have a page for nico.
https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php/Niconico

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>>21361088

All those Flash devs sure enjoy being unemployed

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>>21363878
Thanks anon.

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>>21365322
?

[Anonymous No.]

More archives from my collection:
https://mega.nz/#!mUYSDaAB!PjbI7Bn0EFDGaZK-7R3S1Zs_fxVgqO-iAd7uJLH8Msw (ake, author of Napolitan Touhou, ironically privated all his uploads and deleted his Twitter)
https://mega.nz/#!DRJAAS4J!JjayQinhmktpi1XfGm1vcqdiU8CFH94tvCzY8X-vrDw (some nms by B-Ginga)
https://mega.nz/#!ScJ01C4L!LeJWTaGAlCn53wQsyqvnwDhKxmMfT2FmTgKzi28cGUM (mogambo)
https://mega.nz/#!qAZCASwZ!Mt7u3oinFjCuRCms_LCmmJ-MoFQ_xTAGo5CMBZJFE-M (Techi)
https://mega.nz/#!bVZS1aaC!dvR7JbXvU6Pc3IlGEa3f9_mot5aZShX_P1eK7LFDHn0 (Fujitsuka, author of the now forgotten コギト・エルゴ・スムン flash series, many vector gems here)
https://mega.nz/#!eJQ2mQyB!8KmVuvJTNRmK7avdGzXD4NEnfWIWNXv6uZjBfkZJSi8 (misc other nms from my collection, single efforts)

Note all aren't vector (a bit of a shame) but at least most are still worth saving and enjoyable.

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>>21375922
Forgot this one:
https://mega.nz/#!uEJCWIhI!z6V-OBgTEntbwNnUad1XPvBkqNjJYdSi7qmNfpD-lRc
(sonjow, formerly Murakami, author of the Reimu Hakurei Needs Money, Sunflower in the Winter and Red Night Girls hand-drawns)

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>>21375922
>>21376046
Most of them are not working at all.

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>>21376508
see >>21362663

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>>21376606
Oh.

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>>21376508
I've just checked both the archives and files inside them. They all appear to work.

As >>21376606 mentioned it, you'll need flashplayer10_3r181_34_win_sa.exe (part of fp_10.3.181.34_archive.zip >>21362663 mentioned) to play those files. Don't hesitate to associate .SWF files with that program.

Note: you can also make them play in Media Player Classic or MPC-HC but I don't remember if you actually need Flash plugin and what version you need.

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>>21370342
That's just failling to pick up a new skill at this point.

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/f/ ...home

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>>21361647
supposedly adobe will make flash open source once they stop supporting it but i don't know for sure.

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>>21375922
>>21376046
Thanks for these

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>>21361165
I thought about something like "yeah, let's roll a Docker container with some Linux distro or maybe Win95 for keks, run a browser on it and stream the result to a 'sane environment' via VNC".
Quick googling and here we go, such a thing exists, although I didn't check if it *really* works: https://hub.docker.com/r/beli/firefox-flash/

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>>21386371
They better or I swear to god I'll fucking march over to their office and slap the CEO with my dick.

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>>21378235
>Note: you can also make them play in Media Player Classic or MPC-HC but I don't remember if you actually need Flash plugin and what version you need.
You do need, what MPC does is that it takes internet explorer to play flashes.
Atleast the old versions.

[Anonymous No.]

Every time I try to watch niconico (from Europe) it just halts at loading or buffering every ten seconds. Totally unwatchable.
A shame it's total shitshow, because there is good stuff in there like the rpgmaker5 web.

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Bump

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>>21361088
Never liked that site tho, too hard for me

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>>21403226
Try to switch from HLS to HTTP mode (by right-clicking on the video) to see if there's any improvement.

[Anonymous No.]

Back to my own thread several years later. Here's an updated archive of all known "nms". I've compiled mine with >>21363878's ones all together in a single archive: https://mega.nz/file/acJA1TjZ#Px_GEa5MO0bDX8ZIi_74YdM81N1bc8Jpu-haF1Rkb0Y