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Just finished UBW route, and it makes me think-

Have you ever want to go back in the past and kill yourself back then ? To erase all the shameful acts you have commited, to erase your very own existence ?

Archer is a very good example of people who makes their very big mistake, want to die to erase all those memories but can't do so.He's the mirror of many NEET people, myself included.

>> No.2128910

It means I want to go back in to my past and kill you as well. but you are not me... are you?

>> No.2128915

I want to kill myself all the time.

>> No.2128920

There's nothing huge that I've done that made me a NEET, but I was a retarded kid when I was younger and if I met him I'd probably kill him or at least give him a decent beating

>> No.2128922
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>>2128915
Fascinating.

>> No.2128926

>>2128910

I am you. You are me, and we are everyone else.

>> No.2128930
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No. My desires are more in line with those of this sexy beast.

>> No.2128931

Its not physically possible, if you kill your past self, then you render yourself non-existent, preventing your past self from being murdered by your future version in the first place. The effect eliminates the cause, eliminating the effect in the process.

Just kill your regular damn self.

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2128932

How do you go back in time if you are already dead?

>> No.2128934

>>2128930
he will not like you, because he does not like mongrels.

>> No.2128936

To deny my past would mean denying the people that have tried to help me. It's not something I could easily do.

>> No.2128939

>>2128931

anon don't have the balls to kill theirselves.

If we have the balls, we wouldn't have ended up in /jp/,would we ?

>> No.2128941

>>2128932
Its possible.. Time paradox and divide by zero

>> No.2128945

>>2128934
When did I say he'd like me? He'd be too busy being dead.

>> No.2128951

>>2128931
>>2128932
1) Branching paths.
2) Servants exist outside of time.

>> No.2128953

>>2128945
he'd be too busy stariung up Sabers dress-armor.

>> No.2128972

>>2128939

Killing yourself doesn't take balls of any sort, just a complete disregard for self.

>> No.2128983

I want to go back to the past and tell myself to man up more quickly.

>> No.2128997

>>2128983

You just did.

And here you are now.

>> No.2128999

I've been a NEET for four years. Tomorrow morning, I have to wake up and go to school for the first time in 6 years.

In a way, I guess that's part of my plan to make up for lost time. But there is no need to erase those past mistakes, as you can learn from them and grow from them. Don't let mistakes from the past eat you up from the inside.

In a way, that's the entire purpose of the past: to learn from mistakes (or remember those fond memories) so we can live even better in the present and future.

>> No.2129005

>>2128999
But six years was apparently long enough for you to forget how much of a waste of your life it would be to go to college, yes?

>> No.2129003

>>2128902

Hell no. I'm finally starting to get my life on track.

The most I'd want to do is tell my past self before that one night, "no, THAT's not how you get a girl, THIS is how you do it."

(She was the only girl I was ever brave enough to admit I loved...and I screwed it all up...)

>> No.2129057

>>2128999

So what if you're too late to make up for it ?

Like, in your case, going to school after 6 years isn't a bit too late ? How the hell are you supposed to blend in the younger generation ?

>> No.2129069

>>2129057
It's never too late for anything, Anon. Different experiences give different outlooks so being a little older than the rest might not be so bad. There were a couple of older people in my classes and most of them are decent folk.

>> No.2129079

>>2129057
I made up for my one NEET year by working twice as fast the next year, but that might be a little tougher with 6 years.

>> No.2129095

>>2129003
I'm gonna tell the girl I love that I love her this week. How can I learn from your mistake? What did you do wrong?

Basically, what my conflict has been until recently is that I've thought I'm not good enough for her. I'm still living with my parents and I'm not a success in school or work. But you know what? Obviously, SHE thinks I'm good enough, and that is all that matters. Maybe her love will be the push I need to get out of the rut I'm in right now. Her hand is extended to me, and she wants me to take hold of it. I've been too afraid to do it up until now.

>> No.2129113

>>2129057
fuck blending in. also if you want to get it over with, enroll in multiple universities ( one or two online, one brick )

>> No.2129122
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>Archer is a very good example of people who makes their very big mistake, want to die to erase all those memories but can't do so

Maybe, but what about all those other people who almost feel betrayed by the dreams they wanted to follow? Take someone who say wants to be something they admire, like a doctor or a lawyer or some shit like that. And say that person worked hard through the schooling and the training and finally achieved their goal. But then they start noticing all the bullshit that comes along with the job, and it just starts dragging them down. The reality is that it was nothing like they envisioned it to be, and are now in a position where they are fucking miserable. Its not like they can just start over, its all they fucking know. Maybe then, they start looking back at how naive and foolish they were and how they should have never starting walking down that path, that led to them being the people they are now.

I can imagine some students in japan who graduate, and realize that they may have just wasted their time with their studies, again almost feeling betrayed by their dream. Maybe thats why they empathize with archer and why the fucker has such a high rank with fate/stay's character popularity poll.

>> No.2129126

>>2129057

Dude, have you never gone to college? I have 50 year old people in some of my classes. And there are some with fully gray hair on campus. Stop acting like you have to be barely legal to be in college.

>> No.2129127

>>2129095
I'm... conflicted. I want you to be happy, but at the same time I don't want you to leave us because you seem like a genuinely nice guy.

Just... do what feels right, I guess. Try not to overthink anything; so far, that's completely fucked up every chance I've had.

>> No.2129134

>>2129113
>enroll in multiple universities

wait, what ?

How the fuck was that supposed to help except giving you more expenses ?

>> No.2129153

>>2129134
Grind more credits. Graduate faster.

>> No.2129154

>>2129126
>Stop acting like you have to be barely legal to be in college.
I have to agree with this. During the short while I've went to college before going back to NEETing, the best team-mates I've had were actual adults, not fresh off of high-school retards or barely legal fags who didn't know what they were getting into.
Sure, the younger people were smarter than them, but at least they were really willing to improve and invest time to succeed instead of skipping classes because they were taking everything for granted.

>> No.2129165

>>2129126

I have, and the second time I dropped out of it have given me many bad impressions about the people in there.

I just don't fucking care and don't want to endure that shameful experiences all over again.

>> No.2129170

>>2128999
Just for reference, how old are you? I want to know at what age I should stop being a NEET.

>> No.2129174

>>2129170
You should never stop being a NEET unless you no longer have the funds to support yourself. Anyone who says otherwise is insane.

>> No.2129175

>>2129174
This, many times over

>> No.2129184

>>2129122
Congratulations, welcome to the actual progression of the routes: child (fate), youth (ubw), adult (hf). Has a dream, dream conflicts with reality, lives with reality trying to still reach the dream. How life works for people who aren't fucked up in the head.

>> No.2129192

>>2129184
You know what it's normally called when you allow a situation to scare you away from pursuing your desires? Running away.

HF Shirou is no better than Ikari Shinji.

>> No.2129200

>>2129192
He didn't let a situation scare him away from his dreams, he gave up his dream for something he felt was more important.

>> No.2129206

>>2129192

He wasn't "scared away". He changed it and then followed through with his new dream.

>> No.2129207

>>2129200
Allowing one innocent to be tortured for an extra week while thousands of people are killed is more important?

Logical.

>> No.2129210

>>2129206
"Changing dreams" is only an excuse for running away from your original dream.

>> No.2129212

>>2129207
Logic kinda falls through when emotions are involved.

>> No.2129217

>>2129207
what are you talking about?

>> No.2129221

>>2129212
Emotions which Shirou never had until they suddenly manifested out of nothing in HF. Emotions which he would have overcome in either other route.

He was running away.

>> No.2129225

>>2129210
Well, remember that dreams are created when we were still young and naive so it's fine if you alter course. When I was little, my dream was to become a benevolent warlord. I've kind of gotten pass that.

>> No.2129235

>>2129207

People's value and importance is subjective. I don't give a shit about your family, but your family (might) be important to you. I would certainly allow some stranger be killed before I let someone I care about be killed. It's human nature.

>> No.2129237

>>2129225
As I said, an excuse for running away. It seems too difficult for you and so you've given up and you're trying to rationalize that decision. You are human trash.

>> No.2129249

My dream was to become every cool occupation at the same time.

Ironically, all those dreams are nothing but a dream now.

>> No.2129255

>>2129237
>You are human trash.

POLL TIME!

Trying too hard, or not trying hard enough? Cast your votes now!

>> No.2129258

>>2129237

Idiot, there are some things you can't get no matter how much effort you put into it. My dream when I was 5 was to LITERALLY become Mario. When I was 8, I wanted to be the best Pokemon trainer on Earth (Again Literally. As in catching REAL pokemon and training them). Changing an obvious impossible dream is different than running away.

I honestly don't understand why you are using Shirou as an example for your idiocy anyway. After Shirou changed his ideal, he fought against Black Berserker and Black Saber. I wouldn't consider that cowardice.

>> No.2129260

>>2129235
And I would gladly kill you for your tribal thinking. People like you are poisoning this world.

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2129265

all this talk about dreams and ideals made me realize shirou has pretty much all the qualities of a heisei era kamen rider

>> No.2129269

>>2129258
He fought Berserker and Saber, yeah, but were you paying attention at all? He fought them with the help of Archer's arm. It was only the strength of the one who pursued the dream which got him through it, and trying to use that strength while still running away from the dream ended up destroying him. This is why he died in BOTH ENDINGS.

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>>2129269

>> No.2129281

>>2129258
>My dream when I was 5 was to LITERALLY become Mario.
Then that's your fault for being an egocentric shitbag.

>> No.2129286

>>2129269

Not this shit again.

>> No.2129297

>>2129281

Egocentricity is an extremely common thing in children.

>> No.2129301

>>2129297
>Egocentricity is an extremely common thing in people.
Fixed that for ya.

>> No.2129334

>Have you ever want to go back in the past and kill yourself back then ? To erase all the shameful acts you have commited, to erase your very own existence ?

No, because I am not an emo faggot. Sure I have regrets but going back in time to kill myself would be idiotic. The only reason it made sense for Archer was because his soul was trapped as an Anti-Hero, and all he could figure was that killing his past self would free him.

And, in all likelihood, it probably wouldn't have worked.

>> No.2129353

>>2129301
Thats because most people now a days never grow up mentally passed their teenage years.

>> No.2129359

>>2128902
Lol no. Killing myself in the past would create a time paradox which would destroy spacetime continuum.

>> No.2129388

>>2129225
Look in your heart. Have you really?

>> No.2129391

No, I'd go back in the past and tell myself to buy some google and apple stocks.
And I'd tell myself to short citibank, goldman and lehman in 2007.

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>>2129359
I already SAID THAT

>> No.2129406

>>2129388
Well, I still daydream about creating a country for outsiders around the world in the middle of Africa, but it's more or less behind me.

>> No.2129425

>>2129225
I used to dream about becoming an assassin, though more in my teenage years. But I eventually concluded that I didn't have the guts.

>> No.2129433

>>2129425
I wanted to become an archeologist like Indy but then I realized that no Nazis or commies are going to try to kill me for digging pieces of old stone up.
So I decided to become rich.
I guess it's kinda tame and lame.
But it's working fine, for now, I guess.

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2129571

ITT : Archer fanboys. Lots of them.

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