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New guide:
Old guide:


Previous thread: >>21259305

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pea brain m*tt just leaked his own little walled garden anki decks on twitter.



>> No.21265894

why does he make you prove you have the book

>> No.21265967

apparently to avoid copyright shit

>> No.21265973

I guess Mass Immersion isn't really the way to fluency, if you need supplementary material like textbooks for it.

>> No.21265980

looks like he deleted the links
now ill never get fluent

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>sentence translation and new word definition in the same field so it can't be made into a vocab deck

>> No.21266009

correct me if i'm wrong but since they're grammar decks wouldn't they be better suited for sentences? i feel like that's the one time a sentence format would be preferred.

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>> No.21266031

Matt wanted to leak those decks. There are no other reason for doing what he did.

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>> No.21266036

You can only post ITT if Japanese is at least your 3rd language

>> No.21266048

lol why on earth did you ever care.

>> No.21266059

If he wanted to leak them he wouldn't have taken the links down, especially not that fast.

He uses the JLPT decks and MIA resources page as Patreon bait. They're too precious for him to deliberately leak them.

>> No.21266063

english is trivial to learn for a variety of reasons so if you're an ESL you're a joke and can fuck off.

>> No.21266069

fast? you call that fast? he wanted to leak this shit and every one knows it. how can someone be this stupid? he just took it off to avoid copywrite shit. but he knew someone would upload it back. mission accomplished if you ask me

>> No.21266107

It's my fourth language, but it's the only one that I've actually put lots of effort into learning. I learnt the other three either at home (Spanish, English) or at school (German), and was formally taught to read, speak, and write in all three of them through classes at school.

>> No.21266113

Hi there my fellow trilingual buddy

>> No.21266117

BOILING bilingualet

>> No.21266121

imagine only knowing 2 languages just LMAO

>> No.21266157

Would there be any advantage to doing RTK after going through the core2k deck?

>> No.21266166

only if you want to learn how to write kanji I guess

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After 2k words you should be able to recognize all radicals or most of them and have no trouble with kanji whatsoever.

>> No.21266193

learning to write kanji helps some people retain them. unless you're a retard it's not worth the time.

>> No.21266212

I've seen all of the radicals, but I don't really know what many of them mean or are meant to be pronounced as on their own.

>> No.21266215

tbf i can recognize anything by looking at it but if you asked me to write it down it would be impossible

>> No.21266238

are you me?
i can write rice field though

>> No.21266246

you already know how to write them. you just need a few hundred hours of practice.

>> No.21266251

No shit that's like saying "I can listen to a song but if you ask me to sing it then it won't sound good". It's a completely different skill you dolt.

>> No.21266257

i don't see myself ever needing to write kanji down, so it's pointless. all those hours are better spent learning vocab

>> No.21266267

wow you don't say? you must be an expert on japanese

>> No.21266271

and who said it wasn't?

>> No.21266277

It's my fifth
That said I've been at it for six months and I already know it better then my 3rd and 4th languages I "learned" at school.

>> No.21266279

The people complaining about not knowing how to fly after they learnt how to walk.


>> No.21266282

>Would there be any advantage to doing RTK

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>> No.21266288

You'd be better off just practicing writing from memory at that point.

>> No.21266295

what the FUCK is boroboro

>> No.21266299

who did it? chad?

>> No.21266301

i want to be able to write even though its pointless but its a waste of time when i have so much vocab to learn

>> No.21266304

when someone fuck your ass real hard and you can't even walk

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>> No.21266320

i dream of a big booty japanese gf. maybe one day i'll have a conversation in japanese with one

>> No.21266328

wait you guys don't know how to write 驚?

>> No.21266332

your self-confidence is wrong or you don't have any

>> No.21266340

lmao can't fucking believe i knew how to write this fucking shit even though i didn't and still don't know japanese. god fuck RTK. i can recognize this kanji without knowing how to write it. why the fuck did i think i had to do RTK?

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>> No.21266351

tomorrow I finish RTK

>> No.21266355

nanimo wakarahen

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>> No.21266395

「体ですか? 超ボロボロですよ。流石に医者にかかるまではいかないですけど、それに近いレベルでやばいっす。むちゃくちゃ逃げたいですよ。とは言っても食べていくには稼がなくてはならないわけで、奴隷のごとく鞭で打たれながら必死に働いていますよ」

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Rate my method

>wake up, do 15 new core2k + any reps in 20 mins max
>spend any other spare time consuming VNs, at least an hour a day often much more
>look up anything I don't understand, be it vocab or grammar or whatever

It's the last step I am uncertain on. Some suggest not looking up all the grammar and vocab and just try to understand the gist of what is being said from context looking up words sparingly.
What do you guys do?

>> No.21266406

when I feel like looking up stuff I do, if I don't feel like doing it I don't. I think this might be the best method.
I don't really care how much I understand, because I have more fun reading/watching new stuff than keeping on the same thing for a long time.

>> No.21266411

do you finish stuff you read/watch?

>> No.21266415

when you play vns you're really just mining for porn scenes and learning new words as a means to the end

>> No.21266421

yea and once I'm done with what I watch I add it to my anki with subs 2 srs.
I try to learn 20 words a day and that helps me.

>> No.21266430

for me? it's grinding cards for an hour then getting burnt out so i don't bother reading anything

>> No.21266434

if i think a dictionary or grammar guide will help i check quickly
if it doesnt help i dont worry about it and keep going
the porns a bonus you gotta get that plot

>> No.21266435

But I exclusively play all ages games, that or I skip sex scenes

>> No.21266439

we tried to warn u about ankidroning bro

>> No.21266440

I do something similar. It's a crime how few shows have JP subs. It's pretty much just the most popular ones.

That's a good method if you like it.

>> No.21266442

the trick is to do cards right after breakfast. and reading/watching before going to sleep/ after work.

>> No.21266443

of course you have to read all the stuff between the porn scenes otherwise you're cheating and dont wanna learn japanese

>> No.21266446

Click through all the lessons on duolingo. I'm past the level of most of them, but it gives a fun way to practice sentence building and translating exactly what's being said. Gonna drop it once I gold every lesson.
Do 50 new cards with core 2k/6k because I lost my progress with it (was at like 2k cards).
Play some videogames in japanese for an hour of two.

>> No.21266447

Lol didn't you thought about learning how to write kanji while studying japanese?

>> No.21266451

it's fine since the core cards have sentences instead of just pure kanji isolation, but yeah it can easily burn you out

>> No.21266453

i don't mine, just save sentences into a txt then search words are are more frequent and those I try to learn

>> No.21266455

i try to look up 95% of things, yet in half those moments i still can't understand the sentence so i get really pissed and alt tab and browse DJT or something, barely getting even an hour of input a day because of it.

>> No.21266463

I only listen to her. Will I make it?

>> No.21266472

The thing that really burns you out is the week that you are unable to do anki and you are greeted with 500 due cards.

>> No.21266476

I do that many cards every day fuck off.

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You'd be better off mining. You get vocab more relevant to the material you're reading that way. If you need audio and sentences for some reason, you can copy what Quiztard does and mine anime using his Share X method (I think M*tt also has a video on this).

You should look up every word you don't know (but at least try to figure it out first, guessing based on the kanji how it might be read and what it might mean), paying attention to how the word is written, not just glancing at the definition and rushing on, but there's no real reason to trouble yourself when it comes to grammar since you can look a lot of it up using just a J-E dictionary when your memory is failing you and you need a reminder of what something means. There are also cheatsheets like pic related which make a lot more sense to use as a reference than re-reading an entire page of a grammar guide when all you really need is a refresher.

If what you're reading has so many new words that you're having to look up several in pretty much every single sentence then you should probably read something else instead (unless you're literally just starting out reading, in which case this is kind of inevitable in anything until you get all the most common words down).

>> No.21266479

stop caring about every little sentence and just enjoy the story in your limited understanding

>> No.21266481

>enjoy the story in your limited understanding

>> No.21266487

i'm only learning japanese so i can understand the lyrics to this song. one of my favorites.

>> No.21266488

moral of the story, watch non plot heavy shows like slice of life or comedies.
or watch terrace house which are just basic interactions

>> No.21266489

yes. youre never gonna make it if youre getting discouraged at not understanding 100% of what you read

>> No.21266490

i only listen to him will i make it
btw banger hiatus is over

>> No.21266492

that 1 hour will turn into 2 hours some day if i keep at it.

>> No.21266496

if u cant ur fucked sry to say
overanalyzing shit u cant understand aint how u learn nihongo
reading 10 million lines u can sorta understand on a surface level is how u learn nihongo
or itll turn into 0 lol

>> No.21266497

Oh yeah, and if you don't get a sentence, then you don't get it. Move on. That's something you'll have to learn to accept if you're the perfectionist type. Sometimes context from the following sentences will help you figure it out, but sometimes it won't. But if you get hung up on every sentence and refuse to move on until you perfectly comprehend it (a futile endeavor as a beginner), all you are going to do is slow your reading down to a crawl and get yourself frustrated.

>> No.21266500

>reading 10 million lines u can sorta understand on a surface level is how u learn nihongo
i don't want to get made fun of like how you guys made fun of that ajatt guy on twitch the other day who was translating some VN.

>> No.21266514

I'm kinda struggling with comprehending this line could I get some help?

>> No.21266517

embrace the suck and read more
it aint the googling that makes u good its the 10 million lines
u should google shit sometimes when itll prob help and wont take long
but if ur not gettin somethin just fuckin move on and read more

>> No.21266526

she raps better

>> No.21266542

>didn't you thought

>> No.21266544

>or itll turn into 0 lol

Then don't put yourself out there like he did.

He chose to put himself in the spotlight and translate on camera for everyone to watch. Nobody is forcing you to do that.

>> No.21266550

the damage is done. now i'll just silently make fun of myself.

>> No.21266554

i can't either

>> No.21266575

I average 430 every day spread across one and a half year of Anki

>> No.21266580

It's two separate sentences.
This is 倒置法. Pretend 認めよう is at the end of the sentence.

>> No.21266589

What did you mean?

>> No.21266593

How much M*tt per day is good?

>> No.21266594


Who was translating on Twitch?

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>> No.21266600

That'll only happen if you come in here shitting in the thread about how good you are and write blog posts about how fucking fast you got good only to then fail understanding something absolutely trivial when it actually counts

>> No.21266602

amagami guy https://www.twitch.tv/videos/412341448?t=00h03m54s

>> No.21266615

>sou desune...
why not "let's see"?

>> No.21266616

How long should it take an average person to learn to read and write the kana?

Just checking if I'm a retard or not.

>> No.21266619

how long did it take you to be able to write the alphabet?

>> No.21266621


I legitimately have no solid memory of anything that happened to me more than 5 years ago.

>> No.21266622

if he got it wrong what does the sentence actually mean?

>> No.21266626

A 15-month AJATTer who you would be forgiven for thinking had only been reading for a few months at most.

>> No.21266628

u fukin wot

i don't know about retardation, but it sounds like you have brain damage

>> No.21266635


Damn, and he was talking spicy in here about it?

>> No.21266644

same here

>> No.21266650

u just need to get to like 80% in a week or less and then read actual nihongo to get to perfection
if u try to keep drilling kana until u never make a mistake before u read ur wasting a lot of time
prob dont practice writing until reading kana is ez

>> No.21266665

He gets the first sentence linked there correct but starts fucking up after that.

>> No.21266791

u should perfect ur enlsish b4 telling ppl 2 perfect they nihongo lmao

>> No.21266811

I could shitpost like this if the mood struck me, but would that really make this thread a better place?
maybe u should loosen up a bit bud u aint gotta try to impress anyone lol

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What would be the best translation of 入ってくる?

>> No.21266830

going inside?

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googling images to put on your cards really helps with retention

>> No.21266870

Wouldn't 入る mean that on its own though? What's confusing me is it being used with くる

>> No.21266919

the くる, if i'm not wrong, means that it's currently going inside, like in the present

>> No.21266922

I wonder how expensive it is to get a student visa and study in a university until you get your bachelors in gookland
I'm willing to bet that being over there would be a good place to practice your japanese

>> No.21266929

yea but why would you want to do that. it's a pointless gook country.

>> No.21266930

も is the hardest word in japanese

>> No.21266933

no because you just hide in the bathroom watching pokemon alone every day after someone laughs at your foreigner sounding japanese

>> No.21266942

but that makes my dick hard
better than being surrounded by blacks who will kill me

>> No.21266944

Ah that makes sense. ありがとう先輩

>> No.21266945

agreed but just move to a white area. japan will just depress you when you realize how shitty it is

>> No.21266954

the main reason I like japan is it's architecture, actually, which America has lost to post-modernism

>> No.21266969

japan is fun for me

>> No.21266976

you probably smoke too much weed

>> No.21266981

Took two years but I finally found it in the wild!

>> No.21267004

you must at least master writing hiragana and katakana now though. and if i were you i’d also practice writing like 10 words you learned that week, first in hiragana and then in their kanji with correct stroke order. get a feel for the building blocks of each kanji (radicals, just how they look and how different kanji can contain the same ones) and let the muscle memory from writing them aid your vocab retention.

>> No.21267008

THIS is the N1? This isn't even hard wtf.

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Does anyone have sites to watch japanese tv on?
I was using forjoy for awhile, just came back to use it again and noticed you cant use a trial on the service anymore.
Anything around like the old wilsonjj stream?

>> No.21267026


Did it come with captioning?

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>> No.21267045

ぼっして ?
もっして ?

>> No.21267053

ぼっして lmao @ having to ask that

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>> No.21267072

what’s funny about it

>> No.21267075

Who are some good Japanese youtubers? I'm looking for immersion material that isn't anime and I can't find anything good.

>> No.21267076

you'd know if you knew japanese ; )

>> No.21267080

I think he is basing off his answer on the number of google results. Still not sure what reading is the correct 1.

>> No.21267081

just watch videos of seiyuu trying to be funny

>> No.21267085

don't listen to this guy

>> No.21267088

hahah check out this retard
it's 1 and there is literally no way for it to be 2 has nothing to do with google results, just knowing a bit of jap
sorry you know nothing loser lmao

>> No.21267090

Why the need for profanity.

>> No.21267098

if you know so much then tell us

>> No.21267105

tell you what i told you what reading it is what else do you want

>> No.21267117

スーツ背広 (aka 神). He talks fast so it may take a little but getting used to, even if you have a decent amount of input under your belt, but he's sort of a weird guy so you might find him interesting. listening to people who talk fast is good too because if you can understand a fast speaker, naturally, you can understand a slow(er)speaker. Also ステハゲ. He doesn't talk nearly as fast but in a similar vain to スーツ he's not like your average J-Tuber. Aside from that just look up Japanese words of things on YouTube that interest you, that might get you some good results.

>> No.21267134

How did you come to that conclusion?

>> No.21267138

by knowing japanese

>> No.21267147

I want to learn and get better, I’m being sincere. Please explain.

>> No.21267152

Don't waste your time with that idiot.

>> No.21267161

You don't know japanese

>> No.21267176

There aren't any unless you like virtual youtubers.

There's the normal kind like Kizuna Ai who started the trend who put out short (<20 minute) videos.
Then there's the mass-produced, low-budget streamers who came along later who fall into two categories:
雑談 - Hour+ long videos of them just talking about inane shit.
実況 - Hour+ long videos of them playing (and being really shit at) video games. They don't even play interesting games with stories for the most part, just boring online multiplayer shit.
Don't know how anyone manages to watch streamers. I find them incredibly boring.

You also get hybrid ones like Fairys who do both short videos and streams, but most chuubas either strictly do one or the other.


>> No.21267184

バーチャルおばあちゃん ftw

>> No.21267204

just consume more japanese and you'll get it

more than you at least lol

>> No.21267208

le lenny face

>> No.21267247

According to J-J dictionaries, もっす and ぼっする mean exactly the same thing, but they seem to prefer ぼっする (the もっす definition just redirects you to the ぼっする entry). On top of that, す verbs like もっす are archaic and generally not used very much anymore, so most likely it's ぼっして.

Without audio, you can never be 100% certain what the author intended though.

>> No.21267254

>Without audio, you can never be 100% certain what the author intended though.
Why learn japanese if nobody can understand it lol

>> No.21267260

>Without audio, you can never be 100% certain what the author intended though.
yes you can you just got to know japanese

>> No.21267266

English isn't any different. All you can do is get enough input to be able to reasonably infer the intention.

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>> No.21267284

y'all niggas ever just 鱟 on a bitch?

>> No.21267292

no i'm a 26 year old virgin

>> No.21267319

Is there any way to disable the JMDICT dictionary in Nazeka when you have an EPWING dictionary installed?

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Word of the day: 正鵠を射る せいこくをいる

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What fields should I put on my anki cards?

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>> No.21267372

Shizuka Rin is best VTuber

>> No.21267400

Old hag.

>> No.21267438

happy reiwa everyone

>> No.21267441

fuck you

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>> No.21267476

>can read manga flawlessly with a dictionary
>cant even write a decent looking ふ
literally everytime i learn kana i forget it 1-2 months later because writing is such a bore. what do i do? how do i make it stick

>> No.21267485

not being a brainlet

>> No.21267491

ever heard of SRS lol

>> No.21267506

imagine writing by hand in 2019

>> No.21267535

>i can swim flawlessly with a life jacket

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>> No.21267567

>the official DJT™ Core10k JinJoyo DLC (Collector's Edition)
Redpill me on this deck.

>> No.21267570

Where do you guys find jp subtitles for anime?

>> No.21267611

Read the guide. Or just literally google "japanese subtitles".

>> No.21267613

yeah, don't do it, there's no reason to do core for that long

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>> No.21267618

Most of it will help you more to read the newspaper than it would help you to read manga.
Going through the first 1500 words can teach you many common, useful words, but after that, it's mostly a waste of time.
Learning the jouyou kanji along with their readings, plus making up mnemonics to remember them (RTK-style) is much more useful than the core2k/core6k/core10k, unless you're really starting from zero or want to live and work as a サラリーマン in Japan.

>> No.21267644

isn’t the deck made by the brazilian who has been learning 10 years but scored sub 250 jcat and does nothing but work off kanji lists that also contains words voiced by him himself

>> No.21267654

lol wait are you serious? he made that?

>> No.21267664

yes isn’t there a pastebin somewhere too
he made the deck so with the core deck it covered the entire jinmeiyou list

>> No.21267671

here it is lol i have no doubt exactly 0 people followed into this alpha dekinais foot steps

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>> No.21267678

>A dozen or so Jinmeiyou kanji that didn't have any words associated with them on dictionaries (believe me, I looked) were deliberately turned into words by me using their meanings and readings as reference. Example: 晟ん(盛ん). But remember, it's your fault for wanting to learn this obscure shit no one cares about;


>> No.21267695

fucking chinks and their stupid hieroglyphics

>> No.21267698

Hey guys! How’s everyone doing?

>> No.21267719
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What does this say?

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>> No.21267731

How does one say "I bet" in Japanese?
inb4 アイベット

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So now that the dust is settled, what's the verdict on Matt's decks?

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>> No.21267818

Legitimately very useful for beginners. It should absolutely replace core2k as the go to anki deck recommendation. The only real problem is the amount of English loanwords. I suppose they are there to provide a smoother experience that's closer to i+1, but there are really way too many of them.

>> No.21267827

I tried it and was too easy for me.

>> No.21268112

>useful for beginners
When will this meme stop? You're advocating shit that has been debunked decades ago.

>> No.21268122

srs is good at all levels, it just works

>> No.21268131

by whom

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Matt intends the deck more to replace Tae Kim, etc. than Core.

Well, I guess it's intended to replace both really. As a drop-in replacement for Core though, it doesn't work since you have to do it as a sentence deck (due to how Matt has formatted the fields), whereas Core is a vocab deck.

The fact that it's a sentence card deck really knocks points off it as a beginner resource if you ask me. As a beginner, you want your transition to reading real Japanese to be delayed as little as possible, but because sentence cards take a lot longer to review, you have to go through the deck at a slower pace, meaning you're stuck in beginner land for that much longer (probably at least twice as long as someone doing all of Core 2K, so about 6 entire months, which is completely unacceptable, especially when you factor in the delays caused by >mediation and RTK that MIA demands on top of that). There's also the problem you mentioned that a lot of the cards just have English loanwords, so you're not even getting any new vocabulary when those come up.

I was curious to see what these decks were like, but after seeing them I still think Core 2K or VN Core + simply reading Tae Kim or Sakubi is the (much) better recommendation.

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>> No.21268249

Are standalone vocab cards really that much faster? I always found sentence cards to be significantly easier to do because they give you context which helps you recall faster. It also speeds you up because it helps with solidifying grammar (Using TaeKim,DOJG,etc, as a reference guide if needed). The problem with sentence cards as a beginner is the lack of knowledge that helps with context, but the tango decks do a decent job of preventing that using the semi i+1 system.

>> No.21268319

Literal babies who learn any language in the entire world much faster than you with your retarded cards.

>> No.21268427

you're retarded and you will fail

>> No.21268435

I'm sorry that you're so fucking retarded that you think babies are somehow better at learning languages. Hint: It has nothing to do with their age, it's how they "study". But hey if you want to be good at answering cards then flashtard away, I'm going out to a BBQ with some Japanese friends and we're going to talk about nothing in particular for 4 or 5 hours.

>> No.21268449

you just assumed all that shit you're clearly an autistic retard with a point to prove cuz you just gained groundbreaking enlightenment an hour ago

>> No.21268483

I didn't assume shit, you inbred. Why should it be my job to hold your hand and spoon feed you info that takes less than 10 minutes to find on Google? It baffles me that thousands of threads in and you retards are still 100 years behind in your "knowledge". You sit there babbling like morons all day.

>> No.21268493

Actually, it's been proven false but I'm not going to spoonfeed you the articles saying so, find it yourself faggot

>> No.21268495

Okay, I don't get this. Context is that some dude challenged a group of others who are far more experienced than he is/seems to be, and those guys mock him. This is shortly before they start to fight.
Is he saying something like: "If you start crying now, we'll only break you an arm or two" or something? Or maybe it's an idiom I don't know? Please help me out.

>> No.21268502

Out of curiosity (just kidding I actually want to shut you up because I know you can't deliver) how long have you been studying Japanese and how good are you?

>> No.21268503

Actually before I answer to know that you're worthy of knowing, (just kidding I actually want to shut you up because I know you can't deliver) how long have you been studying Japanese and how good are you?

>> No.21268505

Imagine being so blown the fuck out that you start resorting to copying what others say like a kid throwing a tantrum.

>> No.21268508

Imagine having such a lack of proof that you resort to claiming not to want to spoonfeed instead of backing up your nonsense ""claims"".

>> No.21268513

hes saying dont think you can get off with just an arm or two your gonna get fucked up son. big time.

>> No.21268520

Keep going, you're digging yourself a mighty fine hole. Not that you care but I'm always glad when idiots like you show your true colors to everyone else who bothers reading, it really makes my job easier when you show everyone how retarded your stance actually is that you can't even properly defend it.

>> No.21268523

Heh, even if you start crying at this point I'm not gonna forgive you even after doing something unspecified but surely painful to one or two of your arms. Nothin' personnel, kid.

>> No.21268524

you assumed everything like how I study or what I think of babies. you must have just got epicly redpilled and we're eager to destroy some strawman pleb
I could find a random jew article about any stupid opinion, by the way

>> No.21268525

Can both of you utter spastics just shut the fuck up already?

>> No.21268529

alright I'll wait for you to post that conclusive proof and then when you do I will graciously admit defeat. If you post nothing you will have admitted defeat and also admitted that you penis is extremely small, that your brain is small, and that I am your personal god. No posts in this thread will be read other than ones which have URLs to conclusive proof so don't even bother crying back at me how I'm t-t-t-t-totally stupid for real!

>> No.21268530

can you put a bullet through your head

>> No.21268531

~しても is "even if you do X"
泣いても is "even if you cry"

>You assume everything
I also assume you're retarded but not so retarded that you aren't aware that you made your position clear here >>21268427

or maybe you are too retarded to realize that. Or maybe you're trying real hard to back-pedal now that you got utterly fucked in the ass pretending you know more than you do.

>> No.21268538

How pointless is it to learn to write kanji? Just read a post from a japanese native that says it's pointless and not needed.

>> No.21268541

I didn't make my position clear I just stated the obvious youre a retarded newfag trying to be redpilled

>> No.21268543

its 100 pointless

>> No.21268546

>I didn't make my position clear I just think it's obvious you're wrong!
Holy shit there's no way you're actually this dumb.

>> No.21268548

VERY pointless. Unless you are going to be working in Japan as a writer there is no purpose to it. Fuck even in English I very rarely write anything it is all typed nowadays.

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>> No.21268551

Unless you live in Japan, completely.

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>> No.21268563

Theres no point in googling this because it doesnt have any actual bearing on whether or not anki is better than watching anime cuz no one has studied that shit anyway its all theoretical do whatever the fuck you feel.

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u kids wouldnt be having this argument if u just read the guide again

>> No.21268571

I'm watching yuri anime i can feel the gainz.

>> No.21268573

no one said anything about babies or said you should only study with flashcards autistic retard

>> No.21268574

>build foundations
What a wonderful guide, I am sure this won't result in anybody being confused on how to start their Japanese learning journey, which is of course the whole point of a guide.

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Is there a good deck to study grammar? It's kind of hard to read Tae Kim without any real world examples (That aren't as literal as Kim's) or anything that wouldn't confuse the fuck out of me.

>"Yes (I) Am Student
>No (Am) me well"
It's not exactly extremely difficult, it's just annoying to look at. If it's the only option it's fine, but I was just wondering if there was. I know Tae Kim should be a supplement, but I'm wondering exactly for what, since most of everything is out of my depth.

>> No.21268588

Genki 1 and 2 bro

>> No.21268594

You're looking at a literal translation, idk what you want from that.
There are more grammar guides in the OP > https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/anonguides.html

>> No.21268595

Try another guide like Sakubi or Boiro.

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you mean this one

>> No.21268608

>the easier it is to read, the more you learn
Matt says the exact opposite. Every fucking guide is conflicting with another one, why are you all so useless?

>> No.21268609

Why do these readtarded guides act like listening is optional

>> No.21268610

almost half way done with rtk 1 and fatigue is setting in
skipped a day for the first time today
also having trouble reading sentences with katakana because im lazy and dont want to nail it down
not gonna make it bros

>> No.21268613

the second half is way harder LOL all the kanji are complex and much rarer

>> No.21268615

>Ixrec's Guide to Japanese
Why do people shit on this guide so much?

>> No.21268623

starting with rtk is a trap use your initial motivation to plow thru content until you burn out ftw then when you recover you can keep going

>> No.21268626

>having trouble reading sentences with katakana because im lazy and dont want to nail it down
I'm sorry but this is pathetic. It takes 2 days max to get this down to a level that is good enough for when you are beginning. If this is a legitimate hurdle for you then give up now, it's the easiest step by far.

>> No.21268631

there's an option for hiding hmdict's definitions

>> No.21268656

you're that idiot that was doing 100 a day aren't you?

>> No.21268660

There was one dude who did 100 RTK a day but he finished (I think). I rote memorized 100 once, but I don't do RTK but pick them up from reading

>> No.21268709

>Matt says the exact opposite.
Matt is wrong, I learn a word faster in english than japanese because I have an easier time reading it, I'm used to the way words are structured and connected
If I read more japanese, I'll learn words through overexposure which will make me more comfortable while reading, make me associate new words better and memorize them faster

>> No.21268723

actually, it you are having an easier time reading it could be that what you're reading doesn't have more words, so Matt can be right
If you read yotsubato for the 100th time, you won't learn much

>> No.21268726

As long as it's actual native content you'll make progress with comprehensible input. You don't have to actively seek out more difficult stuff every time but if you come across something that seems above your level don't shy away from it either.

>> No.21268732

Yea but that's because you literally start memorizing that one manga. You can watch different cute girl shows for years and it still makes it worth 5 years down the line.

>> No.21268737

as a beginner, words are the 10% and everything else is the 90%
"easy" material is still very useful until you're nativelike
diversity is key for covering all your bases, not complexity

>> No.21268744

>you'll make progress with comprehensible input
It's the definition of "comprehensible input" that I struggle with.
Does this mean I should be looking up every word/grammar I don't know in a sentence? Or do I read over a sentence and try to make sense from the very little I do know and try to deduce anything else from context? Is that "comprehensible" at all if I am guessing at say 80% of words and grammar?

>> No.21268746

Listen to this guy. A lot of people here seem to be obsessed with seeking out ever harder stuff all the time. But the truth is you're all not that great to begin with. If you think easier stuff can't teach you things you're mistaken. In fact it will help a lot to reinforce those basics more and more.

>> No.21268805

I'm pretty sure whoever wrote that meant easy on a technical level. At least, that's what the following sentences about using texthookers for VNs and reading manga with furigana makes me think.

The easier something is to read technically --> the more you will feel like reading it --> the more you will read --> the more you will learn.

>> No.21268813

People also learn more when they're having fun.

>> No.21268853

Yes, obviously you'll learn more by reading Dies irae than you would learn by reading a 10th moege, but that's only because you've already read so many moege. If you've never read moege before, then reading one would be pretty much just as useful as reading Dies irae, and it would be much easier to do so because it's "easier". Being "easy" doesn't automatically mean that there are fewer things you need to learn from it. An endless stream of incomprehensible noise is obviously worse than a graded reader, even though they're obviously both below reading normal enjoyable content. But the thing is, you're not going after an ideal level of "barely comprehensible". You're going after an ideal level of "things that you are ready to acquire". Most things don't affect comprehension on a surface level at all, but are still very important to acquire, like phrasal preferences, character role language tendencies, and collocations. There's SO MUCH to learn outside of just vocab and obvious grammar that you just can't avoid it even if you're reading something "easy". And with things that are easy to read, you go through them a lot faster.

>> No.21268876

Reminder that nobody in the scientific community takes the Critical Period Hypothesis seriously anymore, anyone who studies language acquisition knows that it's just that adults have huge egos and feel like that have to study grammar and vocab and they're unwilling to accept they're wrong because of a massive time sink fallacy.

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>> No.21268888

Read Asher, Krashen, Garcia, or even Wolfgang. They dedicate a chapter in every book they put out on this fact because laymen don't seem to understand it until the 100th time.

>> No.21268905

> A seminal study by Asher & Price [47] in which 8-, 10- and 14-year-old English-speaking children and young adults received an equivalent, albeit relatively short, learning experience in learning to comprehend Russian statements, reported a clear age effect with the adults outperforming the children.

>The experimental group outperformed every comparison
group on every measure of Japanese including single words, short sentences, long sentences and novel sentences.

I get tired of posting this stuff because people never want to accept it as fact.
>B-But if that's true then that means I wasted my time these past 5 years!
No, it just means you weren't using the best use of your time. Learn from your mistake, young one.

>> No.21268908

>It has nothing to do with their age, it's how they "study"
why do babies pick up on accents yet adults don't. must be something different between how they digest languages. time to accept it and move on

>> No.21268914

>why do babies pick up on accents yet adults don't.
This is literally the only thing that "babies" outperform adults on. If you don't learn the language before puberty then it's hit or miss for accent, most people won't be able to adopt a perfect accent after puberty. Nobody would think that an accent means you're not fluent though except Matt because he's elitist scum.

>> No.21268915

i mean i feel like we actually forget just how much immersion a baby gets. Like a child can't actually speak properly till they are like 12 and that is even with constant immersion. Compare that to people like matt who achieve a flawless Japanese accent after 4 years and you realize how retarded children are.

>> No.21268917

Babies have less of a frame of reference so they learn the language itself slower, which is why kids don't have a high comprehension level of difficult stuff but are fluent.
The accent thing is seperate; they just pick up sounds differently. The only difference that makes for older people is that without training they are likely to have an accent, which does NOT indicate your actual language proficiency.

>> No.21268924

>A seminal study by Asher & Price [47] in which 8-, 10- and 14-year-old English-speaking children and young adults
>Twenty-four healthy participants
into the trash. garbage ass pseudo-scientific field lmao

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Is this 寝る backward ?

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>> No.21268939

The critical period is still taken seriously, but only for acquiring your first language, in addition to the possibility that some mechanical aspects of language like phonetic awareness might require conscious training.

People who fail to fully acquire a first language quickly enough develop "language deprivation syndrome", which cannot be fully reversed. This is what the modern understanding of the critical period predicts. Incidentally, sign languages "count", and prevent language deprivation syndrome.

It's important to acknowledge in what ways something is true before going on to say that it's irrelevant or otherwise disproven.

>> No.21268943

is that why helen keller didn't turn out retarded

>> No.21268945

You are replying to no effort post that doesn't even bother to capitalize his post. And common sense doesn't need citation. You were talking to wrong peers if you think at any point you should

>> No.21268947

>At that time, Keller was able to communicate somewhat with Martha Washington, the six-year-old daughter of the family cook, who understood her signs;[15]:11 by the age of seven, Keller had more than 60 home signs to communicate with her family, and could distinguish people by the vibration of their footsteps.

>> No.21268952

>And common sense doesn't need citation

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>a child can't actually speak properly till they are like 12
oh my

>> No.21268972

lmao at uppercase posters

>> No.21268975

Enjoy dekinai limbo lmFao
You're right but we're talking about learning a second or third language so I didn't take the detour of saying "but except for the first language because..."
but you're not wrong.

>> No.21268976

t. someone who has never spoken to a child because they never had any friends

>> No.21268978

>Like a child can't actually speak properly till they are like 12
Is there something you want to tell us anon

>> No.21268979

Children can speak perfectly fine by like 6 at the latest.
If by "properly" you mean very long and detailed sentences with a large vocabulary then you're an idiot.

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>a child can't actually speak properly till they are like 12
The fucking state of this general and its pseudo linguists

>> No.21268985

G-Guys maybe he meant 12 months. Not him by the way

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>> No.21269006

>two identical words in Core2k
>supposed to know which is which without any context at all
Ok this is the final straw, I'm dropping this semen slurping deck.
Is VN 2K any better? I might just go 100% immersion and mine sentences from VNs or whatever myself instead, surely it will stick better that way. My problem then is determining what to mine and what to leave.

>> No.21269026

>mine sentences
Kill yourself.

>> No.21269027

I just picked up Core2k again, but put the example sentences on the front as well.
It's kinda annoying that the furigana reading of the kanjis in the example sentence can't be removed.

>> No.21269037

If I had the balls I would but why is this a bad idea? Should I be mining individual vocab instead? Or not mining at all and just immersing and hoping I pick it up as I go?

>> No.21269040

it's kinda annoying you need example sentences on the front

>> No.21269041

You don't need it even if you're a writer. You can just type.

>> No.21269048

what are all the meanings of "駅" and would it look bad if i wrote it permanently on my body?
hello. i was planning to get a tattoo but i was torn on what, so i figured 駅 might work, as my name is also Eki, but i'm scared since i have no Japanese-fluent friends and it might look dumb to someone who knows how to read it. For one i know it means Station, but it might also have a lot of different meanings. sorry if this is the 1000th Kanji tattoo question that you've read but i don't want to scratch my body with something that means uterus or something. thank you!

>> No.21269051

for most stuff having just a word on the front is fine. It's only when there is a possibility of confusion that it's helpful to add some more context in form of a sentence.

Also don't get to anal or obsessed about your cards. Making a card shouldn't take more than 30 seconds or you're doing it wrong.
It should also only be supplemental to reading and listening.

>> No.21269054

just put multiple things on the back of your vocab cards jfc

>> No.21269057

Holy shit imagine being this much of a fucking wannabe. You'll either look like a loser or a fucking weeb. Possibly both.
If you wanna be cool just be 6'2".

>> No.21269072

So /djt/ how much do you understand?

>> No.21269082

I'm not sure if he actually said that, but even if not I think there is some truth to it. Accent, just like grammar and words, are a part of speech. If someone was poor at using either grammar or words in a language, virtually no one would call them fluent; there doesn't seem to be any reason why the other part of speech mentioned, accent, should be treated differently.

>> No.21269085

virtually nothing. an occasional word here and there but i can't hear phrases/sentences/clauses.

>> No.21269089

What the fuck is going on with her lower eyelids? Some sort of plastic surgery fuck-up?

>> No.21269099

>please take a look

>> No.21269100

Everything in the first 30 seconds and then I closed it because it's shit content

>> No.21269103

I want to start learning Japanese this month. I remember trying out Duolingo a year ago and I liked the way they were teaching hiragana. Is it recommended? Should I still use Anki on the side? I have the Anki app on my phone and I don't quite understand how to use it properly.

>> No.21269109

What's wrong? It's literally "look look please" isn't it? Seems an accurate translation to me.

very low quality bait, please try harder

>> No.21269111

I swear I am not baiting, please explain why I am retarded.

>> No.21269113

because you don't read the op retard

>> No.21269114

you're going nowhere
you have plan for nothing but shitpost
comeback after you actually started something

>> No.21269118

I hope you don't watch these vids to 上げる your 聞く力 anon.

>> No.21269119

I did and Duolingo is mentionned no where, so I want to know why you think it's a bad choice.

>> No.21269121

>and Duolingo is mentionned no where
you didn't read it then

>> No.21269123

What's the 問題?

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>> No.21269141

What makes you think Duolingo is good?

>> No.21269147

>why do babies pick up on accents yet adults don't.
You might equally ask, why do kids who watch a hours upon hours of TV every day and get constant exposure to the standard, prestige variety of their language through it still end up picking up the accent of their parents? Accent is a bit special in that it's a way of identifying yourself with the rest of your 'tribe'.

If I interact with people who live near me, my accent signals to them that I'm part of their group, so it helps me to fit in and be accepted. If I go somewhere else though and interact with people, they will immediately be able to tell that I'm an outsider because of my accent, even if we speak the same language. Might be hard for New Worlders to appreciate, but in Europe you really don't have to go far at all to find people who speak the same language as you but with a very different accent.

Accent serves a specific social function and as such you only develop one.

>> No.21269152

>Might be hard for New Worlders to appreciate, but in Europe you really don't have to go far at all to find people who speak the same language as you but with a very different accent.
new worlders can turn on the tv or check youtube

>> No.21269154

Because I used it for like a few days learning one of the phonetic script (hiragana I think) and I found it rather satisfying. It's a nice way to learn while I am on the commute or whatever, and I like hearing the sound instead of just reading and imagining what it sounds like, if there is a better way I am all ears really.

>> No.21269160

Sorry, let me rephrase that.
What makes you think Duolingo will help you learn Japanese?

>> No.21269163

some are just born to be a dekinai apparently

>> No.21269164

huh the new guide is THIS bad

>> No.21269167

There's a difference between watching a video online and going in person to the next town over and hearing everyone speaking in a different accent to you. You can't get that kind of experience in America without travelling a long way.

>> No.21269172

>and hearing everyone speaking in a different accent to you
open up a few tabs of youtube videos with people with accents speaking.

>> No.21269173

Same way it helped me learn other languages I guess. Mix of grammar, vocabulary, phonetic etc. What makes you think Duolingo won't help me learn Japanese is the question I have been asking this whole time. I am not biased, I am ready to do what you guys think is best I just want the reasoning behind. The guide didn't tell me why not to use Duolingo.

>> No.21269175

Lmao, I thought you guys were memeing when you were talking about r/LearnJapanese.

>> No.21269178

So I have been learning Japanese using Duolingo for 6 months now. I know the general consensus around is that duolingo isn't that good for Japanese but I like it. Forcing me to learn grammar rules by context makes them sick in my memory better but often can leave some gaps that I have to look up on my own. It also keeps me on track for the most part.

One big issue is that I can read but can't write. Like I can tell you that "れ” is re if I see it but I can't remember the hiro from memory. I am also probably behind on kanji as well with the same issues before, I can read it but can't write it.

I do a lot of exposure practice on the side by watching a Japanese news station and other media while trying to translate.

I did just pick up Genki 1, i'll skim through the parts I know but is there anything else I could add?

>> No.21269188

>So I have been learning Japanese using Duolingo for 6 months now

I am>>21269103 is Duolingo fine? Do you use something else on the side?

>> No.21269189

Oh god, this guy really can't be helped.

>> No.21269193

Why did you even read the guide, when you're so keen on just doing Duolingo anyways?

>> No.21269197

You're replying to a meme. 6 months and he hasn't even finished on hiragana, if that's a speed you are comfortable with you might be fluent by the time you retire.

>> No.21269207

It's not a meme though, that's an actual r/LearnJapanese post though.

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>> No.21269212

What is your favorite /djt/ meme?
>manga isn't reading

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>anything but dekinai

>> No.21269215

no but seriously how would someone not be able to write the damn kana from memory??

>> No.21269220

>is Duolingo fine

>> No.21269221

after 6 months

>> No.21269228

By not practicing it. Just like you remember what a dog looks like but you draw it like shit from memory. Two entirely different skills.

>> No.21269249

If you have them in your long-term memory you don't have to practice writing them. Though it can be said that one of the ways to bring them to your long-term memory, though I'm personally not a fan of it, is by writing them a lot.

>> No.21269268

wow, you guys are bullies.

>> No.21269282

I remember what words look like but I can't write them, while at the same time there are some that I can write, all because I practiced making those connections. Just a matter of practice. Memory means nothing in this case. If you mostly read kanji you're sure as hell not gonna be able to write it.
It's a common misconception in many things that involve understanding what something looks like and knowing how to conjure it up from memory.
If you ever take up drawing you'll understand it more than you want to. It's very frustrating because you know how it's supposed to look but your brain just can't make the leap because it hasn't done it before.

In short it's just muscle memory and people not allowing the brain to get used to putting together entirely different things. For example you can Do you ABCs, but you can't do them backwards without practice or having to think about it. Yet you know the ABCs like the back of your hand.

But you're right, writing them does help. And I'm glad I'm interested in learning to.

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Is there a way to get the japanese support plugin for anki to add the furigana for each kanji?
like "悲[ひ]鳴[めい]"

>> No.21269296

Do what you want man, but I don't want to spend so much time on learning an almost useful skill.
In this day and age, you type 90% of the stuff by computer/phone and you don't need to remember kanji for that.

>> No.21269304

Oh don't worry, I just have fun learning to draw the kanji themselves. Or at least that's what I tell myself.

>> No.21269311

>Or at least that's what I tell myself.
yep that's what it is.

>> No.21269316

Alright so I read the guide and I am not sure where to start. Should I read the grammar guide and do the Core 2K at the same time is that it?

>> No.21269317

I draw so it's good practice for my lines. Plus I like the freedom of being able to write kanji or hiragana if I want.

>> No.21269319

it's more that you enjoy thinking you have a useful skill that you can brag about even though your skill is worthless.

>> No.21269325

>Alright so I read the guide and I am not sure where to start.
Apparently you didn't read it, it tells you exactly where to start.

>> No.21269329

Ok? Why would being able to write kanji be something to brag about?

>> No.21269335

The main guide literally doesn't tell you where to start though

>> No.21269337

normal people think it takes intelligence to learn but you're just a dumbass wasting his time.

>> No.21269338

>"悲[ひ] 鳴[めい]"
There you go.

>> No.21269343

It generates them automatically. But not like that.

>> No.21269344
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it literally does though.

>> No.21269347

Stop being to anal about our fucking cards m8. It does not matter at all.

>> No.21269352

it puts a little space so you can see which characters are for which kanji.

>> No.21269353

so first hiragana/katakana, then Core2K while reading grammar guide. So you start by reading a bland chart. got you

>> No.21269359

Kek, stay mad kanjilet.
You mad I'm going to impress people when I don't even plan on letting people know that I speak japanese?
I just like the idea of taking notes that people can't read. There is more use for it for me than just impressing people. I don't care if you think it's a waste of time. Your opinion means nothing to me. Even if it's useless I'd still do it because I find it enjoyable and interesting to learn how each stroke is placed. I'm learning the language because I'm interested in it, not because I'm a weeb faggot.

You sound so bootyblasted about something that has nothing to do with you.

>> No.21269360

>bland chart
lol what the fuck do you want you dopey redditor, pretty colors and glitter?

>> No.21269361

Yeah I know, and that doesn't matter at all.

>> No.21269367

are you all from rlearnjapanese or v

>> No.21269368

>Kek, stay mad kanjilet.
i learned to write all joyo kanji thinking it would help with recognition. it was a waste of time.
>I just like the idea of taking notes that people can't read.
called it. not sure why it took you so long to admit you just wanted to place yourself above others.

>> No.21269370

It is a bland chart, that's an objective fact. I will still learn it, don't get so defensive you faggot.
So hiragana and katakana are literally the same thing but written two different ways?

>> No.21269378

yeah japs were just fucking bored so they made the second script

>> No.21269380

>i learned to write all joyo kanji thinking it would help with recognition. it was a waste of time.
Yeah sure. I honestly just don't like the idea of not being able to do something that is crucial to a language I'm learning.
Not disagreeing that it's useless.
>called it. not sure why it took you so long to admit you just wanted to place yourself above others.
If you put it that way fair enough, I guess.

>> No.21269383

Is there a way so it only shows the kanji, but if I click the kanji it shows the furigana?

>> No.21269384

>yeah japs were just fucking bored so they made the second script

>> No.21269393

>joyo kanji
Why would you learn a list compiled by the government that has no relation to foreign language learning nor frequency nor radicals.

If you're going to do isolated kanji either:
- Learn by frequency
- Learn by radical and mnemonic
- Become fully fluent in both listening and speaking first.

>> No.21269397

NVM, just add
ruby rt { visibility: hidden; } ruby:active rt { visibility: visible; }
to the styling

>> No.21269401

Don't know about clicking but hovering is possible.

>> No.21269410

Is kanjidamage reliable for learning mnemonics and radicals?

>> No.21269417

The fuck should I know, at the very least it can't be worse than trying to learn from the joyo list.

>> No.21269421

It's good to follow his examples on how to make a mnemonic. If you just memorise his mnemonics, you will not get much out of them.

>> No.21269423

This dude literally waited over 1h until someone spoonfed him well enough.
You would already know half of Hirgana if you started right away.
You're definitely not gonna make it.

>> No.21269426

Now, how to get it to show up without clicking once I show the answer

>> No.21269431
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>You're definitely not gonna make it.
They said the same thing to me and I'm still here. kys, crab.

>> No.21269432

ure still hear meaning you haven't made it

>> No.21269433

he probably rite tho

>> No.21269435


>> No.21269444

how to get started at nihongo
anki hiragana/katakana, 1000 lazy kanji, vncore
read vns or stuff and watch a lot of anime and make new words you see into vocab cards

>> No.21269467

We're all gonna make it.

>> No.21269477

you still hear what

>> No.21269493

the people sing singing the song of angry men

>> No.21269521

I won't say I've failed until at least 4 more months have passed and I'm still not able to read most of the stuff I encounter in light novels and stuff. I'm still going through the basics right now.

>> No.21269526

>4 more months
>read most of the stuff I encounter in light novels and stuff
has anyone in the history of japanese learning ever done this

>> No.21269529

>They said the same thing to me and I'm still here.
They where right too.

There is only one person here that can read Japanese, and that is Quizmaster. Everyone else is either lying, less than a month in and will give up soon or they are Quizmaster shitposting.

>> No.21269532

Sorry I only come to DJT for references, what's a good place to find easy to learn VNs? Pantsunyaa doesn't have a filter for VNs only

>> No.21269542
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Have your learned enough Japanese to sit on a big boy chair yet?

>> No.21269545

You're supposed to remember both.

>> No.21269548
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>easy to learn VNs
wtf does that mean? Beginner recommended I assume?

>> No.21269550

I mean you got me, I'm less than a month in but I understand what I'm getting into.
Fucking kek

>> No.21269554

Yeah, sorry I mean easy to read VNs.

>> No.21269563
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Anything that is SoL moege shit. Find something you like the sound of rather than "is easy". Hanahira is the ultimate in easy moege but it's probably the most boring too, go for something that might be slightly harder but can at least entertain you.

>> No.21269586

Leyline has never failed to entertain someone here, so give that a shot. Mostly simple language with a mystery theme.

>> No.21269591

How hard is umineko? I read it translated and it was unironically one of the best books I've read and I've read a lot of regular literature.

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>still learning japanese while you're awake


This is 2019, the fuck are you doing?

>> No.21269614

2.7 million views and a great like/dislike ratio. now i know this works and will try it.

>> No.21269620

Gotcha, thank you

>> No.21269650

>sleeping 8 hours
not gonna make it

>> No.21269658

What's the recommended amount of sleep for an average adult male?

>> No.21269664

てみる is grammar point for trying something
てください please
please try and have a look.

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Had shit ton of stuff to do yesterday so I couldn't play.

Guess I'll start playing today.

>> No.21269720


why cant japs swear. they sound way too polite

>> No.21269736

their culture is about politeness

>> No.21269745

Why do japs like to pronnounce the r so hard when they upset?

mind that I'm a newfren

>> No.21269751

they want to be russian

>> No.21269760

What happened to DJT? Now everybody has to start or end their post stating how bad their nihongo is.

>> No.21269762
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I've started a challenge to catch up to everything in shounen jump and read it weekly. Thanks for reading my blog.

>> No.21269764

(sorry for bad English)

>> No.21269765

i'm still learning btw

>> No.21269777

the one sitting down and just watchin was really cute!

>> No.21269784

more people should be like me and end every post with a disclaimer. i suck DICK at japanese and that won't change for a LONG TIME.

>> No.21269793

he will not divide us

>> No.21269795

Hey, can someone post Jamal's shitty VN list?

Sorry for my shit english, I'm ESL. Also, I'm bad at nihongo xd sorry

>> No.21269798

i'm bad at my native language too xd

>> No.21269803

ermm.....sorry for being born UwU

>> No.21269805

bet you don't even know japanese.

disclaimer: i'm a beginner who doesn't know japanese

>> No.21269825

I mean I'm terrified of trying to speak in Japanese because, one, I'm bad and I know I'm bad, and two, I see how triggered people get over someone making a mistake in English.

Hell, sometimes I think DJT is more harsh on people's english than on their nihongo.

>> No.21269831

all 4chan makes fun of ESLs

>> No.21269834
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no fear. jus talk. carpe diem

>> No.21269837

You can't really say you "know" a language. You can just either interpret it well enough or you can't.

>> No.21269844

I always get confused between where to use "in", "on", and "at", and I always get these fucking fags shitting on me because they know those three words are a pain in the ass for ESLs.

>> No.21269847

>caring what an autistic manchild on the internet thinks about your pronunciation
why tho

>> No.21269857

do you immerse though?

>> No.21269859

speak for yourself

>> No.21269872

>those three words are a pain in the ass for ESLs.

>> No.21269873

Remember the following phrases and you'll be able to know which one's which:
You've got bones in your body.
A coat is laying on your skin.
A black person got arrested at the park.

>> No.21270113

I mean, I've been AEATT for the last 3 years since I came to the US, couldn't speak a single word.

Now I can understand as much as a native speaker, and I have somewhat copied native accent (although sometimes I let out my Spain accent by mistake).

dunno, I always get frustated and mix up the three, sometimes I scratch up a whole sentence because it uses one of those words.


>> No.21270122

So, how do you say "I'm __ the bus."?

>> No.21270132

I'm on the bus

>> No.21270136

i think i would go for "in"

>> No.21270141

But you sit inside the bus. No? Just like your bones inside your body

>> No.21270150

>i think i would go for "in"
ESL right?

>> No.21270151

on the bus cuz i remembered "on the train" is correct and they gotta follow the same rules as they are both public transportation

>> No.21270159

but you're in the train

>> No.21270167

But you'd use "in the cab"and that's also a form of public transportation.
It's okay though, I'm not complaining. I just learned to memorize it. My point was that it's not always so simple to decide which word to use as an ESL

>> No.21270171

i guess i've been deceived then

>> No.21270172

EOP here:
I'm on the bus. I'm on the plane. I'm on the train. I'm on a bike. But I'm IN the car.
It makes sense to me if I think about it but I can see how it would be confusing.

>> No.21270174

Nice Japanese related discussion.

>> No.21270175

I'm on the bus.
I'm on a horse = I'm riding a horse
By analogy, I'm riding the train, bus = I'm on the bus
I'm in the car.

>> No.21270178

yes, and I know that people say "i'm on the bus" but in sounds more natural because you are inside the bus
saying on the bus sounds like you are in the fucking roof or something
but what do I know, i'm just an ESL

>> No.21270180

yeah but vehicles are "on" if you are riding them, but if you use them to go somewhere you use "by".
I'm the one who replied "on", and I'm an ESL.

>> No.21270189

>saying on the bus sounds like you are in the fucking roof or something
i can see why an ESL would think it sounds that way but it doesn't. gotta immerse more dude. 10000 hours of subbed live action TV. i recommend the sopranos.

>> No.21270200

nah, like i said I know people say "on the bus/train/whatever" because they're riding it
just sharing my view

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>> No.21270211

It's actually funny, if you say "I'm on the bus" but the bus is an old broken stationary bus, it means you are on the roof. But for a regular moving bus it means you are inside the bus

You gotta explicitly say i'm on top of the bus to make it seem like you are on the roof otherwise

>> No.21270229
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How'd your reps go today? I managed to get 5s per card and 80+% retention so I'm happy.

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with 70-75% retention if i average the two decks.

it was hell. i hate anki so much. can't wait for the dojg cards to mature so they go back down to 10 a day.

>> No.21270250

english sucks lmao I'm learning nihongo and moving to japan

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I'm playing this VN but I can't understand shit, even with yomichan.

Are you guys sure this will work? I want to go back to anki droning desu.

>> No.21270280

just keep reading

>> No.21270288

You can't understand shit because you've been doing nothing but ankidroning.
Do you think MORE ankidroning is really gonna help?

>> No.21270290

look up the grammar you don't know in tae kim. yomichan will tell you things like whether or a not a word is in its conditional たら form so just look that up. you can learn what の is doing between nouns you see and stuff like that.
there's grammatical constructs that yomichan can't catch but that's OK.

>> No.21270292

Is it normal to not be able to recognize words like 商売 when spelt in hiragana?

>> No.21270295


>> No.21270300

Only if you don't practice listening.

>> No.21270303

yea. it's going to take a lot of exposure (and listening) to fix that.

>> No.21270306

Here's two questions for you:
1. Have you gone through the whole Jouyou kanji set?
2. Is this the first time you've tried reading a VN?

>> No.21270308

Watch Japanese subtitled anime instead. It’s more suitable for beginner‘s first input.

>> No.21270310

your brain on RTK.

>> No.21270313

>1. Have you gone through the whole Jouyou kanji set?
fuck off

>> No.21270321
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>I want to read
>I dont understand 90% of the characters in the text

>> No.21270322

no I don't know that many Kanji, probably easy as fuck Kanji, but most of them I only recognize because they are used in a word (ie. I can recognize 食 as food because I know the word 食べる).

And well, I played Danganronpa but in english, ages ago, I don't hate VNs but I'm not a VN entusiast.

>> No.21270324

i really need to stop watching 3d porn

>> No.21270325

I do practice listening quite often, but I don't really come across many of the same terms I do while listening to, for example, dialogue in anime, than I would reading newspaper articles. There's many words I can recognize only when I hear them, and many words I can recognize only when I read them.

>> No.21270327

read the fucking guide

>> No.21270329

>Can finally read my porn comics in Japanese
>But still too slow so I keep losing my boner.

>> No.21270335

Anon told me I only needed to learn Kana and start reading.

>> No.21270349

i didn't tell you that

>> No.21270351

but other anon did so, I've been doing VNcore.

>> No.21270356



>> No.21270363

how do i meet a cat god?

>> No.21270370

I really want to adopt a cat, but my damn family are full of dog peole. This shit is crippling my nihongo I swee

>> No.21270374

As you might've probably seen in other posts here on this "general", the only way to get used to Japanese grammar is just by practicing reading often enough. At first, it might feel more comfortable to mentally translate sentences to English, but sooner or later, you'll be able to generate scenes in your mind just by reading sentences in Japanese.
Also, going through the Jouyou kanji set (using something like one of those rtk + readings decks for anki) can easily be done in less than three months, which will tremendously help you read most of the stuff you'll encounter.
Building vocabulary is good, but actually trying to read is a bit of a separate skill, which you can't just suddenly "get good at".

>> No.21270382

i want to adopt a lion :( they're so cute

>> No.21270392

sea lions are cute

>> No.21270416
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wtf I thought we all agreed Anki was useless for actually consuming Japanese.

>> No.21270426

I mine every new word with a meaning that you cannot guess naturally. Like 機雷.

>> No.21270428

They're ankidrones. They're beyond help now, it's best to put them down before they infect others.

>> No.21270429

I want to read stuff in Japanese I'm really excited for but I have a killer headache and can't really read because that. fml

>> No.21270430

i don't want to read stuff in japanese and in fact i dread it but i'm feeling OK so i've been doing it the past couple hours.

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>> No.21270440

It is pretty useless if your only exposure to Japanese is through anki. However, if you think of it merely as a tool to teach you readings and approximate translations for isolated words, instead of as the way to actually reach knowlege of a language, then it can be useful. That's why we keep telling people to read eroge and watch anime.
The sentence mining stuff promoted by AJATTniggers is downright useless. Either you understand complete sentences once you what the individual words that make them up mean, or you don't understand them at all.

>> No.21270444

>The sentence mining stuff promoted by AJATTniggers is downright useless. Either you understand complete sentences once you what the individual words that make them up mean, or you don't understand them at all.
what the fuck are you talking about.

>> No.21270446

>a tool to teach you readings and approximate translations for isolated words
Is it not better to learn the readings from immersion? And the "approximate translations" seems like a bad idea since we're trying to force our brains out of English not out and back in again after every word.

Add "know" inbetween "once you" and "what the individual". I assume anyway.

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>average of 75 minutes of Ankidroning a day

>> No.21270452

i think sentence mining is a waste of time but they don't advocate mining sentences you don't understand after you've looked up the word you didn't know, and in that aspect its similar to vocab cards (but worse). so i don't know what he's trying to say

>> No.21270453

I think after 3 months you are allowed to use the easy button :)

>> No.21270473

Should I take Japanese classes next semester? I want an easy A and if half the class is going to be learning kana then it seems nice

>> No.21270479

yeah ankidrone kana and you're set

>> No.21270486

It would be VERY easy, but you have to consider the people who will be in that class. Is it worth it?

>> No.21270500

Can't you just do the class by going to the exam?

>> No.21270510

If you don't want to have to provide translations for words, that's fine, but you'll still have to somehow describe a word using other words which you already know, or, if not, you'll have to somehow link them to some kind of sensation you can remember.
Language is ultimately a proxy for mental images (or sounds/textures, if you prefer), all of which derive from sensations. If you've got no relevant sensation for something, you can only attempt to imagine it by taking characteristics from other memories and putting them together.
Using an approximate translation or description in English for a Japanese word would just link concepts in your mind that have already been set down to other concepts, for the sake of making them easier to comprehend. Attempting to describe words in Japanese using other words in Japanese would just make you have to go through the process of abstraction again, no differently from how it must've been back when you were learning words as a kid.

>> No.21270533

>27 min, 9 min, 13 min
nah ur just lazy

dude why do your reps take so long

>> No.21270536

if you find a cute girl, sure
if not, get the hell out of there

>> No.21270558

it's going to be boring as hell though, hope you can deal with that
also, does participation in class count towards your grade? If yes, then just remember to answer some of those silly questions and stuff.

>> No.21270601

Can't download any of M*tts add-ons or any add-ons for that matter. My anki is the wrong version apparently.
Should I just forget add ons and move on or is it worth it to download an old version?

>> No.21270605

move on and read/listen to some japanese

>> No.21270606

>dude why do your reps take so long
Oh it’s an RTK deck. Anyways congrats on finishing, and in such a clean fashion.

>> No.21270608

Haha I'm pretty sure most people here couldn't pass the first semester class for my uni. Requires you to write a few hundred Kanji and a text in Japanese. I suppose that's pretty rare for classes though.

>> No.21270613

If english was like japanese 'heello' and 'hello' would mean two completely different things

>> No.21270625

"Bead" doesn't mean the same thing as "bed", does it? Neither do "red" and "read". Or "horse" and "hoarse".

>> No.21270634

i thought bead was something to sleep on...

>> No.21270643

Wait are you telling me English has homophones too?

>> No.21270645

Thanks for reminding me of what's important. Didn't even occur to me. Focused too much on learning words.

>> No.21270653

>"ちち に なめられた" can mean both "(someone) licked my breast" or "I got made fun of by my dad"

This fucking language m8

>> No.21270668

it wouldn't be like "my father is underestimating me or something like that?

>> No.21270671

>(someone) licked my breast
You mean ちちをなめられた bro

>> No.21270674

yeah same difference really.

>> No.21270716

thank you, i believe i have now gained the discipline needed to learn japanese.

>> No.21270717

A bit too early but here it goes:
Word of the day: 杜撰 ずさん

>> No.21270744

how do I use it in a sentence?

>> No.21270754

Anime mine this.

>> No.21270760

>nah ur just lazy
I spent months years ago on Anki and learnt that it is absolutely useless in terms of actually consuming Japanese media. It's nothing to do with laziness, it's about spending your time efficiently and I am sorry to say that Anki is not that.

>> No.21270771

Use it like any other 形動

>> No.21270774

Btw I love how the low IQ retards in this thread have begun calling absolutely everyone an Ankidrone regardless of how they use Anki when I have absolutely not a single doubt that not one person in this thread shittalking Anki usage is capable of reading Japanese at a even halfway decent level. Truly the blind leading the blind.

>> No.21270778


>> No.21270785

great song

>> No.21270788

Sure sure. I assume you must be the one eyed king in your head then? Must be nice.

>> No.21270813

If you were really that much above the masses you wouldn't have to spit down on them to feel good about yourself

>> No.21270818

Maybe. I just find it comical beginners without a clue can be so confident about giving shitty advice.


>> No.21270825

the reason i give advice as a beginner is that i also find it funny.

>> No.21270826

>I just find it comical beginners without a clue can be so confident about giving shitty advice.
The fucking irony is unbelievable, coming from a namefag such as yourself.

>> No.21270831

why do people say stuff like this as if it's anything more than a platitude? competent people shit on incompetent people all the time.

>> No.21270833

>shit means jealousy
Thanks, Japan.

>> No.21270843

You think putting a name into the name field has something to do with your Japanese abilities? Only thing ironic is how someone with such a deluded mind thinks he can shittalk me lmao.

>> No.21270861

>You think putting a name into the name field has something to do with your Japanese abilities?
No I think Quizmaster or "Master of Quizzes" is a beginner himself and the fact that you are either him or pretending to be him makes your disgust laughable.

>> No.21270862

Should I go for Core 10k after finishing 6k or just start mining?

>> No.21270866

you should of been mining since 1000 cards in

>> No.21270874

Make anime cards.

>> No.21270880


I'm having trouble figuring what the やつなんで does in this sentence. I'm assuming the literal translation would be "Because I got the thing from my older brother when I was a kid, it's an outdated model but lots of great game are in its memory", and the やつ actually refers to the outdated model, not a person like I thought やつ always referred to, and the なんで is short for なので, meaning that the cause of the next bit is the consequence of the fact that the speaker got the object from when he was a child . Actually I answered my question by analyzing the sentence for this post but I'll still post it because fuck it.

>> No.21270887

What's the best way to learn grammar? No matter what I try I keep forgetting it like a retard I am.

>> No.21270896

>Actually I answered my question by analyzing the sentence for this post but I'll still post it because fuck it.
There are always lurkers out there that might profit from your decision to post it anyway.

>> No.21270897

Since starting to learn Japanese I keep hearing English words that I can presume the meaning to but have no definite idea of what they mean. Like just now I heard the word "chunter" for what feels like the first time.
It's reassuring to know that I'll always be guessing at least some words, even after 20+ years of exposure.

>> No.21270898

That's why I did it.

>> No.21270945

where do i download vn's from?

>> No.21270963

Just heard "chunter" again while watching football. What a crazy world.

>> No.21270966


>> No.21270974

they're missing stuff i wanted to dl but i alreadyy found a site i think

>> No.21270994

Well post a link then

>> No.21270998

Do you have the rest of these? There are a few upstream but they're a bit expensive.

>> No.21270999

dunno if its good or not just found on google

>> No.21271018

Probably not. After 4 months I was proud I could puzzle together some sentences in my first light novel very slowly.

>> No.21271037

can you still run vn's on linux? or do i need to emulate w*ndows for that?

>> No.21271092

if it's a windows VN you obviously need to emulate windows ...

>> No.21271102

No, you need a compatibility layer like Wine or run it in a VM.

>> No.21271115


>> No.21271118

I did it. I "learned" hiragana and katakana. What now? Learn vocabulary and grammar or practice reading even if I don't understand shit? also, redpill me on the GENKI books.

>> No.21271123

quizlord is the best in here and it's not hard to see how djt copes about their inability to read n2 and n1 vocab

>> No.21271128

Read the guide

>> No.21271131

I don't think you can read any japanese

>> No.21271135

I think you should kys

>> No.21271137

le lenny face

>> No.21271140

watch anime

>> No.21271147

not nice. that could seriously hurt someone's feelings.

>> No.21271150

There are 3 options for you:

1. Read Tae Kim for grammar while doing a core2k deck on Anki for vocab (either Core2k or VN Core)

2. Read Tae Kim then dive right into reading. Try to make sense of things by looking up vocab you don't know and referring to Tae Kim or any other grammar guide when something stumps you gramatically.

3. Just read. That's it. You'll have to look up a lot initially, but you will pick up vocab and grammar very quickly. I don't suggest looking up every single word, just enough to get a general jist of conversation.

Nobody can pick a "best way" it seems, or rather the way everybody started with is the "best way" in their opinion because fuck being wrong am I right?
I personally suggest the second option and maybe making your own vocab deck from what you read if you would like, it might speed your memorization up a little bit idk.

>> No.21271174

i use sukebei, anime-sharing or mikocon

>> No.21271183

>Learn vocabulary and grammar and practice reading even if I don't understand shit.
I fixed that for you

>> No.21271215

>tfw spent two years doing anki and nothing else
>have never read a vn to completion
>can't understand shit
>but at least i'm good at flashcards!
>also i'm the biggest attention whore on this entire site

>> No.21271228

Wait. Are you j or qm?

>> No.21271239

jontron or... queen margaret? i don't get it

>> No.21271244

jammal or quizmaster

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Pitieth the fool who'd lie about his betters for nothing more than to quell his sense of inferiority.

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>starting 英語 sentences with 私
Try it, a new desu.

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>clearing an anki deck
>じゃshow up
>put "jya" as the answer
>show up answer

>> No.21271324

>having to input an answer
that's where you fucked up.

>> No.21271392

ja sa
ecchi shiyouze

>> No.21271406

chuu chuu

>> No.21271430

your image makes me want to hug you anon

>> No.21271443

If you came across a word that uses at least two kanji (which does happen extremely often), I'd suggest you to add the meanings or readings for each of the component kanji (or at least some kind of clue that would hint to you that, for example, the 決 in 解決 is the same character, with a different reading, as the 決 in 決める) .
Also, I'd suggest you to use an example sentence if you happen to come across one while reading visual novels, watching anime, or something like that.

>> No.21271451

Sorry, no.

Tbh you don't even need cheatsheets. Everything is in the J-E dictionary.

>> No.21271457

Both are wrong. The actual answer is "zya".

>> No.21271459

man there are a lot of fucking words
a lot

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Today I will remind them.

>> No.21271465

10,000 sentences to fluency

>> No.21271467

Reminder that flashtard has 17k Anki cards and still only scored 67/100 for vocab on JCAT.

>> No.21271468

There are a ton of English words too.
Take it one at a time.

>> No.21271470

flashtard has dupes

>> No.21271471

whats that is there a yomichan for english

>> No.21271473

Reminder that Nuke has been doing Anki for a decade and still only scored 60/100 for vocab on JCAT.

>> No.21271480

welp, i have a lot of years to live yet

>> No.21271481

Manga isn't reading.

Not a meme.

Theres only one good game in each of these

>> No.21271488

How is Subahibi easy?

>> No.21271489

Someone said that akatsuki no goei was filled with typos, is that true?
I always wanted to read that one.

>> No.21271494

Who said it was? It's at the bottom of the "more difficult" section you illiterate fuck.

Define "good".

>> No.21271495

>Theres only one good game in each of these
you are saying that from:
-Koi to Senkyo to Chocolate
-Maji de Watashi ni Koishinasai
only one is good.
You are absolutely wrong.

>> No.21271496

今日は。 I have been learning Japanese for 6 months now. I have so far learned 1st and 2nd year 常用漢字 and a bunch more 漢字, as well as words in general oo which I have yet to learn their kanji yet. Right now I know about 260 漢字。 I will have a lot of time learning around the summer vacation and have a lot of free time in general - meaning I can give a lot of time to studying. So I would like to ask: should I try to study as much as I can and aim for N3 or try to study well for N4 (for which I Already know a bunch of kanji that according to the list on Tabgorin, are on it)? Thanks for reading. (:

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>> No.21271507

Maybe because it says "for Beginners" at the top, and there's no indication that going down the list means that the novels are more difficult to read?

>> No.21271508

>not listed by overall score
into the trash

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>> No.21271518

not going to make it

>> No.21271520

is this the recommend a vn thread?

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>> No.21271525

What's wrong with reading manga? i'm just learning nihongo to read manga, vn's and play weebshit.

>> No.21271539

It's literally one guy spouting "manga isn't reading" because he's an autistic loser. Read whatever makes you want to keep reading.

>> No.21271566

The fact that you call "weebshit" means to me that you're not too fond of it.

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You niggers promised me learning Japanese would be fun, IT IS NOT.

>> No.21271579

>hazure ta
we're out

what is hazure?

>> No.21271588

it's never been fun for me and they told me i should quit because of it but i'm only a quitter when it comes to everything else in my life, not japanese

>> No.21271595

You're right, that would be wrong. The correct answer is 0.

>> No.21271598

how are you "learning" japanese?

>> No.21271617

not having JP subtitles for shows each season is crippling my japanese
time to become a VN chad

>> No.21271622

Not Japanese that's for darn sure

>> No.21271631

that's why you gotta rewatch the dozens or hundreds of classics you've seen which all have jap subs available. alternatively if you had taste you'd have only watched what you knew were the best in its genre at most, and thus have a wide pool of old mediocre/good ("good" is mediocre - don't settle for less than the best) shows you can watch in japanese.

>> No.21271642

just checked out a few chapters of japanese the manga way and was disgusted when i realized they described auxiliary verbs as "forms", e.g. the "passive form" instead of "passive auxiliary verb". gonna give this a hard pass and only watch cure dolly.

>> No.21271662

u misunderstood
it should be fun
if its not u wont make it

>> No.21271670

i'm gonna be honest. i feel a bit smug and superior to my friends because they claim learning japanese is too hard.

>> No.21271677

that does not make any sense

>> No.21271714

Show me a piece of japanese text that contains either of those. I'll wait.

You're literally no better though

>> No.21271719

i never said i was. it's the perception that matters.

>> No.21271726

Now this is epic.

>> No.21271733

Of course it isn't, it's the Japanese that matters you smug mug.

>> No.21271736

Who the fuck is Tae Kim

>> No.21271739

using japanese to read a light novel is fleeting happiness. telling people i learning japanese will sustain me for a lifetime. btw i don't even know japanese and they're still impressed lmao

>> No.21271745

It's ok to be a weeb these days.

>> No.21271751

it's japanese for "grammar" you absolute muppet

>> No.21271758

It was during a scene with someone getting their kayak unstuck from a tree. They say something like "we're out" and I am pretty sure they say hazureta or something.

And I would hear hazure during a scene when someone was shooting cans and missed a shot. Also I see them use hazure when you don't win a Popsicle thingy either. So hazure could either be ,lose, miss, or get out of.

>> No.21271764

literally not Japanese

>> No.21271774

発 (hatsu) is a counter for gunshots.

>> No.21271779

it's actually the releasing of your nen that you've built up using ren.

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>> No.21271785

or maybe it was hazure deta. they said something about getting out in the context of becoming unstuck

No someone was a spotter for the shooter and was calling out whether the shots hit or missed

>> No.21271789

>I mine sentences
What kind of person do you image?

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>> No.21271806

what the fuck is this thing

>> No.21271811

This literally what I have been saying from the start. I knew I wasnt wrong about it.

>> No.21271817

The ideal male

>> No.21271821

I'm wondering if this was just some epic trolling or dekinais are getting out of control.

>> No.21271832

what's "this"?

>> No.21271833
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I hope this is the upper level of complexity for kanji, I can barely write this in a college ruled notebook

>> No.21271836

why are you writing kanji?

>> No.21271838

you wish lol

>> No.21271845

Will Kanji be abolished in the Reiwa era?

>> No.21271850

the guy who made this has absolute shite taste btw

>> No.21271851

How do RTK users read 勃起?

>> No.21271860

I can 100% see the Japanese writing system being completely overhauled within the next 10 years, sort of like Korean was.

>> No.21271869

Well, I'd like to be able to write Japanese as well as read and speak it. I've only started recently though.


>> No.21271875

>I'd like to be able to write Japanese
Why though? When would it every be used?

>> No.21271879

why would they do this

>> No.21271881

How can I know when a vowel is being extended as in せんせい or おかあさん? or are consonants always extended if followed by their corresponding vowel?

>> No.21271882

Well, it might make it easier to recognize what I'm reading when it comes to handwritten stuff

>> No.21271884

yeah, they'll go back to full katakana again

>> No.21271900

Pretty sure there won't be any big changes to the languages. I don't know they might take out Kanji out of place names.

>> No.21271904

uprising rouse lmao

>> No.21271906

Nobody in the modern day knows Kanji. For common shit sure but a native nip can't just write down a more obscure word like people can in literally any other language. Nobody rights anything now to begin with so that doesn't help matters. It's been something they have been considering for a little while now so I can definitely see it happening though it will undoubtedly be a long and slow process.

It's a hell of a lot of time to spend on something that might help you remember a few readings faster. Especially since it won't and you'll forget how to right them the second you stop writing them for a week.

>> No.21271917

They could fix writing deficiency by just making Anki part of their curriculum and Kanken 2 mandatory.

>> No.21271923

What if his youtube is "Matt VS Japan" because that is exactly what he plans to do?

>> No.21271926

He is trying to reform the Japanese educational system?

>> No.21271932

Yup. Pretty obvious when you think about it, America has always been against Kanji and Trump funneling money into Matts Patreon is the only explanation for him getting so much money.

>> No.21271943

If they dont want to preserve their language someone will.

>> No.21271944

So what is it, is Matt trying to eradicate Kanji or keep them alive?

>> No.21271962
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>durrrr regular japanese people dont use da kanji anymore durr

fucking retard

>> No.21271964

Reminder that 漢字 will never die, and the Japanese will never use shitty squiggles as their writing system like gooks do.

>> No.21271967
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I converted Matt's JLPT N5 deck to a vocab deck instead. I can probably do N4 tomorrow.

>> No.21271973

>his example is all basic kanji
You're literally agreeing with me, thank you

>> No.21271978

someone link those clips of japs butchering fairly common and basic kanji because their written language is an absolute fucking mess

>> No.21271979

You are literally not knowing japanese

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>You are literally not knowing japanese

>> No.21271995

They will never give up kanji

>> No.21271996

Neat. How'd you do it? Is there some way of automating the process or did you have to do it all manually?

>> No.21272001

guys i havent IMMERSED for this week

>> No.21272003 [DELETED] 

faggot kike

>> No.21272005

cool actually, thanks man.

>> No.21272006

Japanese is a beautiful language. Even if it’s hard you have to appreciate it on an aesthetic level.

>> No.21272007

their immigration policy will not be impacted by how easy their language is to learn dude
most pretentious irritating word that afaggers can't shut the fuck up about.

>> No.21272008

My poor python skills automated about 95% of the process. I had to manually fix around 60 cards using vim.

>> No.21272013

You prolly feel very smart right now

>> No.21272016

>most pretentious irritating word that afaggers can't shut the fuck up about.
How would you describe it?

>> No.21272019 [DELETED] 

except that is literally why they are still relatively homogeneous compared to other countries right now. their language barrier, their physical barrier and their cultural barrier and they are not planning on giving up on any aspect of that ever

so you little faggots who keep stroking your jewish mutilated dicks over the thought of them dumbing down their language and be accepted into your hive mind will just have to off yourselves

>> No.21272023

reading and listening a lot.
nah, no way. they're biologically predisposed to want to keep the 3rd world hordes out. their (written) language barrier is irrelevant.

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>> No.21272028

>most pretentious irritating word that afaggers can't shut the fuck up about.

And people who say it often aren't even using it right. "Immersion" specifically ties into the AJATT idea of an "immersion environment" (i.e. creating a situation whereby you have some sort of exposure to Japanese 24/7, either via a TV playing anime all day, or via an MP3 player, or some other means). Most of the time when people say "immersion", they actually mean "input".

"I haven't immersed this week." = "I haven't used an immersion environment this week."
"I haven't input this week." = "I haven't read or listened to any Japanese this week."

>> No.21272030

>pretentious word
You’ve outed yourself, ESL. That’s an extremely common unpretentious word.

>> No.21272032

i'm not saying the word itself is pretentious but the way and frequency with which afaggers use it is.

>> No.21272033

Yes but leave all the words with kunyomi only readings unharmed

>> No.21272042

Now I aint saying there are no flaws with this approach, but I like the way you're thinking, and I think people smarter and more qualified than either of us could come up with an even better comprise.

>> No.21272051

>reading and listening a lot.
5 words instead of 1? You're as inefficient as your learning methods.

>> No.21272052

nobody's fuckin reading anything here huh

newshit lmao

>> No.21272056

call it input then

>> No.21272060

Watching anime is fun though?

>> No.21272063

>start Kanji
>2 strokes
>second Kanji
>8 strokes

>> No.21272071

gaku is only 2 parts

>> No.21272072

lol not understanding shit isn't

>> No.21272084

That's what the English subs are for

>> No.21272088

worst advice itt

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>> No.21272109

live yourself

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>> No.21272120

This seems wrong but honestly 90% of my vocab is from english subbed anime so...maybe?

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>> No.21272144

What does the third sentence mean?
Can't wrap my head around it. How I understand it is that the guy complaining that one aspect he didn't like was that there were too much new stupid aspects, but that seems weird to me.

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Why is 美少女風香ちゃん throwing しお?

>> No.21272152

anyone like nekopara

>> No.21272154

imnt into furry shit wtf

>> No.21272161

It's probably not the most time efficient method but it works

>> No.21272162

you dont gotta be a furry to like nekopara

>> No.21272164

it just werks

>> No.21272168

you are gay, not ゲイ, gay

>> No.21272174

Yiff in 涅槃 guys

>> No.21272184

im げい actually

>> No.21272194

i'm not ホモ

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> 『ちなみに日本人の平均は13cmです』
Good thing I've got that 16cm peanor

>> No.21272205

>DJT nihongo

>> No.21272207

I heard they had a 無双な硬さ

>> No.21272208

14cm here :(

>> No.21272221

I'm conflicted.
This general is the reason I have a method of studying Japanese but I know deep down that if I continue to come here I will never learn Japanese because all I do is shitpost pretending I know Japanese and giving advice that is well intentioned but has no backup other than what I presume to be right.
If the next replies to this post tell me to leave then I will leave and won't return until I can fluently read random VNs and games.

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>> No.21272223

I fucking hate Kanji

>> No.21272224

don't leave

>> No.21272232

don’t leave we need you

>> No.21272238

I really doubt you'll ever learn Japanese

>> No.21272247

if i can read a transcript/subtitles but cannot follow even a single sentence of the associated audio, how do bridge that gap?

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leave and take me with you

>> No.21272253

listen to audio all day for years

>> No.21272254

Dude that message thinks you are an object. What are you gonna do about that?

>> No.21272259

but that won't be fun. i'm looking for the easy way out.

>> No.21272266

I got disgusted by the thread a couple months and left 4cha all together, came back to it to see how it was but I just know I'll simply shitpost if I stay here, so once again I'm leaving...

>> No.21272268

dumb question but how do you guys type in hiragana and katakana

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>> No.21272274

listen to audio is the most effortless thing you can do in japanese mate you spend a few hours getting some files on an mp3 player and then it's hands off forever

>> No.21272276

the nips consider gays as nothing more than objects

>> No.21272281

reading is way, way easier and less of a pain in the ass because i can easily look up things i don't understand.

>> No.21272284



It's 2 to 2, next reply decides my fate.

>> No.21272287

who cares

>> No.21272289

you can't effortlessly read while walking or driving or doing anything else, and you aren't even practicing the same skill. you wanted to learn how to listen to audio and understand it right? you can read forever stay near 0% listening comprehension

>> No.21272293

i don't do anything else anyway. listening is just annoying and will be annoying until i can understand what's happening.

>> No.21272294

just anime bro

>> No.21272297

dont ask why you can't hear anything

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>> No.21272299

i didn't ask why i can't hear anything.

>> No.21272311

are you there so guy >>21272247 or some random who jumped in the conversation for no reason

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What do I watch next?

>> No.21272313

i am that guy. note i didn't ask why i can't hear anything.

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>> No.21272318

fap to yuki-tama

>> No.21272320

Ok let me preface this post with the fact that I'm both an ESL and a nihongo-let.

What are some good non-VN games to learn Japanese with?

>> No.21272322

answer me

>> No.21272323

why do you wonder why you can't understand anything

>> No.21272325

please respond

>> No.21272330

i don't wonder. i know i need to listen, but i told you i want the easy way out which means getting the most out of a smaller portion of time.

>> No.21272339

Boku no tae kim

>> No.21272341

wishful thinking bro you're too incompetent to take the basic steps to do something that's literally effortless

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>> No.21272344

what's effortless is looking up words while reading. listening to gibberish is not effortless.

>> No.21272347

hearthstone, animal crossing pocket camp

>> No.21272351

>animal crossing pocket camp

I have a hacked 3ds, forgot to mention that, is the one for the 3ds good? never played AC before.

>> No.21272352

I don't get the question

>> No.21272353

listen to audio and get good or don't

>> No.21272357

Do anime cards.

>> No.21272361

it's free

>> No.21272364

i'll listen to audio. looking for something less annoying than blindly listening to white noise for hours every day.
i might resort to that.

>> No.21272367

What does the だか mean here?

>> No.21272376

recoleccionjuegos3ds()blogs pot.com/

Here, this spanishbro has really obscure .cia for games in nihongo.

>> No.21272378

teacher at university or something

>> No.21272402

maybe a typo

>> No.21272410

that's the number of teachers at the university?

>> No.21272419

ouch djt come on now

>> No.21272421

tyler told me ga and woah can never come together like that....

>> No.21272424

tyler is pretty bad at jap

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>> No.21272430

>John and Joe were both taking a spelling test. On the test, there was a question that asked ‘which is correct; Had or Had Had’.
>Joe, while John had had ‘had’, had had ‘had had’. ‘Had had’ had had a better score than the former.

>> No.21272432

deha yukkuri ugokimasuyo

>> No.21272435

this makes me remember one episode of the big bang theory

>> No.21272436

Salt is used for purification in Shinto rituals. It's 塩花 or something similar.

>> No.21272450

The times when I've quit DJT have been my most productive moments. Whenever I come back here, I end up just lurking and procrastinating all day and not getting any reading or listening done. I wish I could leave for good.

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This is a FUCKING oval

>> No.21272462

weird how people have this problem. djt isn't why i procrastinate. i procrastinate anyway, and djt happens to be what i use to do so.

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When do I get to ebin pictures on vncore.

>> No.21272495

You've gotta add 'em yourself, one by one.

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o man guess I'll find some good pics.

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Where is する in this sentence? It's highlighting した, is that the past tense of it or something? Am babby

>> No.21272512

>is that the past tense of it or something?

>> No.21272513

Fuck off retard.

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Yomichan is your tomodaki

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>> No.21272518

yo wtf is wrong with netflix subtitles
they’re always wrong, like every single line is wrong

>> No.21272527

where is Ueno-san wa Bukiyou?

>> No.21272530

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font-family: Noto Sans CJK JP;
font-size: 20px;
text-align: center;
color: #BCBCBC;
background-color: #202020;
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margin-left: auto;
margin-right: auto;

.spelling {
font-size: 42px;
font-family: HanaMinA;

.reading {
font-size: 28px;

.sub {
font-size: 16px;

stick a </br> after the reading div on the back as well

you're welcome

>> No.21272548

Already watched it

>> No.21272557
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Like this?

>> No.21272561

Also ignore pic, I was just testing.

>> No.21272568

needs a line break after さき as well as noun - plain noun - blahblahblah

>> No.21272576

use margins for that shit

>> No.21272586

Anyone know a good mobile equivalent of anki?

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on the back, change:
<div class=reading>{{ReadingA}}</div>
<div class=reading>{{ReadingA}}</div></br>

<div class=sub>{{PoS1A}} {{#PoS2A}} - {{PoS2A}} {{/PoS2A}} {{#PoS3A}} - {{PoS3A}} {{/PoS3A}} {{#VerbtypeA}} - {{VerbtypeA}} {{/VerbtypeA}} {{#EtymologyA}} - {{EtymologyA}} {{/EtymologyA}}</div>
<div class=sub>{{PoS1A}} {{#PoS2A}} - {{PoS2A}} {{/PoS2A}} {{#PoS3A}} - {{PoS3A}} {{/PoS3A}} {{#VerbtypeA}} - {{VerbtypeA}} {{/VerbtypeA}} {{#EtymologyA}} - {{EtymologyA}} {{/EtymologyA}}</div></br></br>

>> No.21272617

>color: #BCBCBC;
>background-color: #202020;
Better alternative to doing this is installing the Night Mode add-on and changing the text color and background color settings to these values.

>> No.21272619

Can't believe you guys are doing all this shit when the best card design has already been posted long ago:

>> No.21272627

no u are the incel

>> No.21272629

it's not optimal because it has black background. if it had dark gray it would be close to optimal.
but those sentences are too long.

>> No.21272634

when u fail kanken 2 itll all go downhill from there

>> No.21272637
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Is this good enough

>> No.21272650

>but those sentences are too long.
Name a single thing it would be fine to leave out in the sentences from that video and still have the context intact.

>> No.21272651

Does foreign names have a way to be written in Katakana or is writing it how it sounds good enough? My brain is getting fucked trying to understand some choices like クリストファー instead of クリストフェル or マイケル instead of マイコル

>> No.21272653
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not bad, but watch this

>> No.21272654

Dude I still have over a year to prepare and my Kanji reading ability is already close to a native, why would I fail.

>> No.21272655

This deck has a pretty big problem in that the word on the front of many of the cards appears in kana rather than kanji.

I know that's not your fault, but it makes the deck pretty useless since you aren't testing your ability to read words how you're actually going to encounter them while reading.

>> No.21272656

keep up ur overconfidence and inflated ego itll do u well

>> No.21272658

Changing font colors > Highlights.

>> No.21272660

>still no reply
oh shit oh fuck he actually did it

>> No.21272664

Thanks but I'm working hard for the right to maintain it too.

>> No.21272666

not quite since you're missing fonts and your font sizes are still shit


>> No.21272677
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this is your cards on quiztardation

>> No.21272684

And why the fuck does Matt put all the info on his cards in the top-left corner?

>> No.21272688

kill all ankidrones, VN/LN chads rise up

>> No.21272689

What does that have to do with the quiz. Excellent cards if I may say so myself. Of course you got to know some Japanese already to appreciate them I get how this would look very frustrating to the faceless mass of N2 kuns in this thread.

>> No.21272692

please respond

>> No.21272693

haha gay 4chan theme and gay japanese font

>> No.21272701

fuk u

>> No.21272704

Man reading 和香様の座する世界 as my first vn was pretty hard in the early stages, especially with the exposition bits. But then I read it from the beginning again since the full game came out and I was surprised at how much my comprehension has improved and general speed (although by a small amount).
I felt like I was punching above my weight at first when I would get lost in the exposition bits but now I feel like it's was a good idea to go with this one first.
Overall I'm having fun. I'm finally doing the thing I set out to do when I started studying nip.

>> No.21272705

why do u think they call flash cards flash cards lol

>> No.21272712

The actual relevant part is just the definition, everything else is just memorization help, usage information, trivia. I put it in there because it works. No issue whatsoever with those cards.

>> No.21272716

>download yoga's gigantic japanese subtitle netflix pack
>Terrace House BGND's timings are slightly off by varying amounts before and after the halfway mark because fuck the releases available on nyaa
I'll try using that retiming tool that aligns one set of subs with another (you can retime jap subs using a set of eng subs). It's just dodgy sometimes is all...

>> No.21272718
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What's a good place to go for beginner questions, I don't want to bother you guys

>> No.21272720

Reddit and Discord.

>> No.21272722

you're in the right place. use a name or trip for added comedy. you'll piss off a few regulars here but you do you.

>> No.21272726

how is that a "better" alternative

>> No.21272728

Still waiting for a reply.

>> No.21272729

at best u wasted ur time adding it

>> No.21272730

its shit because you got rid of hard/easy and you highlight instead of changing font color and the guy in the picture looks genuinely fucking retarded andyou should feel bad for watching such drivel

>> No.21272735

Did you go in with a good knowledge of kanji or did you dive in blind?

>> No.21272736

>you got rid of hard/easy
that's a good thing

>> No.21272738
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weird introduction but ok.

>> No.21272740

I don't like those places

I hate namefagging, should I just use one anyway so people can filter me?

>> No.21272743

i dislike it too but that's why this is the perfect place to do it. keep in mind people will call you retarded for asking "such stupid fucking questions" but embrace it.

>> No.21272744

just ask your question you limp wristed beta self concious fucking autistic faggot

>> No.21272746

just post ur fuckin question

>> No.21272748

I knew all the joyo kanji, had 2500 odd words in my vocab anki droned for awhile and studied grammar like twice, most of my reading prior to a vn was just doujins since I got hit by that depression and didn't want to read anything at all.

>> No.21272751

When will RTK tards stop thinking they know Kanji lmao.

>> No.21272756

when they realize that they only learned fairy tales and at the time they start trying to drop the story they will also stop remembering the kanji.

>> No.21272763

Well okay, is there a pattern to how words become past tense? In tae kim's grammar guide it's saying how you conjugate to indicate past state-of-being, but a lot of words seem to change entirely when they become past tense. Like how する turns into した in >>21272505
Thank you and sorry for the dumb questions

>> No.21272781

Quick grammatic question, how would you say something about the quality of a person's body part?

For example, Mary's waist is small?

>> No.21272783

You knew all 2000 or so kanji taught in school and still slugged for a while? I figured knowing them would allow for a decent grasp of what you're reading, but what do I know. What made you go slow? Is it the compound words you don't know, the grammar?

>> No.21272785

He didn't know them. It's a deluded RTK tard.

>> No.21272791

What's a RTK tard? 教えて下さい

>> No.21272798

Somebody who memorized 2000 English stories and thinks that's the way to learn Kanji.

>> No.21272800

Just knowing the words doesn't mean you can parse a sentence with complex grammar.

>> No.21272801

する and くる are the exceptions to the rules. the rest of all the words of Japanese fall into one of two groups, 1 form and 5 form.

>> No.21272807

Knowing them helped me look up words that I didn't know and helped with learning as well, I simply didn't have enough practice when it came to reading.
I didn't use RTK you mongoloid

>> No.21272809

Then explain how you """knew""" all jouyou kanji because I can tell you right now that you didn't.

>> No.21272816
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Do you like puns?

>> No.21272825

with rtk you don't learn kanji you make friends with them.
much better than simply knowing.
all the kanji are my tomodati!

>> No.21272826
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Learned the radicals, composed my own mnemonics as a crutch when i first started learning (with time ditched those), got a deck which builds up on each kanji incorporating previously learned kanji as well so I could better visualise how they work.
Probably not the way you did it, but it worked for me.

>> No.21272829

Okay, so I was right.

>> No.21272832

I mean, wasn't RTK exactly. It just simply worked for me. Don't know about you.

>> No.21272840

Thank you friend, I'll write this down so I don't forget.

>> No.21272846

if you even read the entire page youd know, it even says what the exceptions are because theres so few (two lol) of them

>> No.21272847
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Man using anki like this is more fun than just braindead grinding.

>> No.21272852

>big huge gap under the reading for no reason

whoever told you to do that is an idiot

>> No.21272857
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I hadn't gotten that far, but this seems like more than two unless I'm understanding this wrong

>> No.21272860

You still don't know the jouyou kanji though.

>> No.21272866

its literally showing you the pattern what the fuck are you asking


>> No.21272870

Oh god oh no I'm sorry I'll leave now

>> No.21272873

Why do people hate wanikani to death but aprove of kanji decks on Anki?

>> No.21272882
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Yeah dude you right. Going back to reading, catch you later.

>> No.21272886

literally the same shit only one is free and customizable and the other is uhhhhhhh money cost having

>> No.21272900

haha retard

>> No.21272901
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Can anyone of you guys translate this tweet and the pictures?


>> No.21272906

because one is free and the other is a waste of money that also railroads you into using it at a certain pace.

>> No.21272907

yeah it says
>I hate pathetic retarded weebs who follow and look at Japanese twitters but can't read it

>> No.21272913

nope. i forget what なきゃ does. i think it can mean "must" and the exact opposite.

>> No.21272917
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hey it's misa

>> No.21272930
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Ah thanks! Would you mind translating another?

>> No.21272934

Fuck off back into your containment thread, even better fuck off from this entire board.

>> No.21272941
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Haha, okay well thanks anyway senpai~

>> No.21272942

Because it makes the whole program look better rather than just your cards.

Night Mode works a lot better on Anki 2.1 so you should update if you haven't already.

>> No.21272956

i use it for the parts of the app that aren't my cards styling already so

>> No.21272964

i never thought of doing this. now my cards will be in their true final form.

>> No.21272978

the context should be recalled from the picture. reading a paragraph to remember a card's meaning is pretty dumb tbqh my guy.
if you are only reading the context once why are you putting so much in your cards, if you're not reading it just once then it's even dumber because you're wasting a lot of time.

>> No.21272979

it says person who came to the wide sense of a word

>> No.21272985

I already explained it to you so stop repeating your bullshit over and over again when you already know you are wrong.

>> No.21272987

it's just dumb to learn words that require that much context. i guess the lower your iq the more context you need. so it can't be helped.

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>> No.21272992

Your IQ is lower than mine, you know less Japanese than me and have worse methodology please don't talk to me again.

>> No.21273004

i know i'm retarded but there has to be somewhere i'm going wrong. i've been on around 100 reviews/day for multiple months without adding any new cards. i know about 700 words and they are like 50% leeches. i wanna get to a lower # of reviews but it just keeps being such a high amount!

>> No.21273020
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>> No.21273024

delete all your leeches and read more

>> No.21273027

Just stop getting them wrong

>> No.21273028

So, I saw an old friend today and mentioned I was learning Japanese and some of the things I was having difficulty with. One of the things that I mentioned was an adjustment to was there's no spaces between words. Suddenly, out of nowhere they told me they know Japanese has spaces and I'm wrong because they took a class and knew a Japanese person and when I tried to explain it they got like flat-earth levels of angry and offended I even questioned them even when I simply offered to show them Japanese websites and products. Can someone explain to me if this is a legitimate thing? Do Japanese classes and Japanese people learn the language with spaces? Or do I simply have to hide any Japanese stuff I own whenever I see this friend again?

>> No.21273029

i don't really suspend leeches and i just keep redoing them and i have no idea how i would do that and i feel like if i do do that i'm barely gonna have any cards to review.

the reading advice is solid and it's something that i've been neglecting doing for a good while. do you have any resources you reccommend? ive been doing bilingualmanga and http://hukumusume.com so far

that works sometimes but it doesnt work sometimes

>> No.21273037

suspend or delete leeches. continuing to review them is basically like smashing your head against a wall.

>> No.21273044

>do you have any resources you reccommend? ive been doing bilingualmanga and http://hukumusume.com so far
oh no no no no

just read nigga. the only resource you need is nyaa.

>> No.21273052

I'll say it again you guys are not doing a service by recommending reading native Japanese stuff to dumbass beginners right away.

Watch 100-200 hours of Japanese subtitled Anime. I will guarantee you you will notice a change.

>> No.21273055
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>> No.21273058
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Man, doing anime cards is so much better and enjoyable.

>New word
>dunno meaning or reading
>use JDIC to find better meaning than vncore
>use tangorin to find sentences.
>read them
>try to recall a scene in anime/manga/vn that I remember that can fit in one of those sentence.
>plug everything into anki card.

Why didn't you guys tell me ankidroning could be fun.

>> No.21273060

i just have no idea what i Ought to read. my ultimate goal is japanese literature but i feel like i would gain more from reading shit like http://hukumusume.com

alright noted

hmm thats a good idea.

>> No.21273061

I took a Japanese 1 course in college for humanity credits a few years back. The book we used had spaces in the sentences, but by the last half of the book the spaces were gone. Basically your friend is a fucking moron.

>> No.21273062

You do know what anime cards are right? You got the wrong idea. They are mined cards and not based on any bullshit premade decks. These are anime cards:

>> No.21273063

what did i just read
when you got hundreds of leeches piled up you make shit progress at all of them
if youre insistent on it suspend them all and reset a few a day as new cards
but itd be better to focus on new words cause youre probably failing them for a reason some shit is easier to add to your current pool of knowledge than other shit and the better you get the more things will become easy
you can obviously learn words outside of anki though and shouldnt care about deleting cards
manga is good but the sooner you get to vns or lns the better so you can really get through a large amount of text
being interested in it even though your understanding is poor is more important than it being easy
if you dont know then just try lots of random shit
dont be afraid to drop it if you feel no draw to it but also dont run away from it just cause youre getting through it slow

>> No.21273068
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How do I improve my retention?

>> No.21273070

Do anime cards.

>> No.21273071

>>use tangorin to find sentences.
oh dear

^ this is where your sentences are coming from

>> No.21273074

>父は 胸の手術をした

the core deck says this means
>My father had a chest operation.

but doesn't it mean "My father did [performed] a chest operation."?

>> No.21273075

>>i just have no idea what i Ought to read.
sure you have some interest in japanese media if you're learning japanese

if you need other people to tell you what to read then you're not going to make it

>> No.21273077

hmm alright. yeah i feel like a lot of my problems stem from the fact that i prioritize too many things over japanese , meaning i seldom read. i will try out some lns though. do you have any cool recommendations?

>> No.21273078

Thanks. I was trying to be polite to figure out what the fuck they were even talking about but they got upset and angry at the prospect of me even showing them otherwise.

>> No.21273079

read more

>> No.21273081
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Retention rate been going down a bit.

>> No.21273082

I think it could mean both

>> No.21273087

if that's the metric then i am ngmi.

i started learning because japanese seemed cool

>> No.21273089

god i remember back when i was addicted and if my retention slipped at all then so would my confidence in the skills i thought i had. so glad i kicked that unhealthy habit

>> No.21273090

Hey everyone! Anyone here consistently writing out kanji by hand? I'm quite early in my studies and I like writing them with in my anki reps. Would you say I am wasting my time?

>> No.21273092

I am learning to write for Kanken.
You are wasting your time by writing your reps. If you want to learn to write you need a proper method. Writing during recognition reps is nothing more than a waste of time, one that is far too common among low IQ dekinai.

>> No.21273093

Air tracing wastes less paper and ink than writing down with a pen.

>> No.21273097

Complete and utter newfag just learning hiragana.

I’d like to learn words as I go that reinforce the characters I’ve learned. Seems like I’ll have to make my own anki cards for this to work.

Can anons list some simple words only composed of the vowels, か group, が group and ん?

Far as I know there isn’t really a database where learners can search for words only containing certain characters, so looking for words to use to practice certain hiragana is tough. As I go through the rest of the alphabet I might try to put a database like that together. Seems like it’d be a useful way to practice hiragana and vocab at the same time.

If this exists and there’s a way to find words only containing certain hiragana, please point me in its direction.

>> No.21273099

I see! Thank you, man!

>> No.21273102

I was actually considering getting a graphics tablet, a cheap one of course. I feel like I would lie to myself on air tracing haha.

>> No.21273104


>> No.21273110

It's also less effective way of practice than a pen and paper

Paper is cheap, just get a 100 page notobook, it should be enough for a few months. You aren't going to be writing full multi paragraph dictations like natives do anyway

>> No.21273115

Is this how do I write "she walked towards her"?


>> No.21273116

Sorry I'm dyslexic

Honestly it would be much simpler to just drill the hiragana by writing them 50 times in your fucking notebook, and this is coming from an anti-flashtard anon.

>> No.21273119

There's these example sentences in the kenkyusha dictionary which use 手術をする with the same meaning that the Core example does.:
手術をして幾日めに退院できるかは本人の回復の早さによります. How soon after an operation a patient can leave hospital depends on the speed of recovery.
私はがんで手術をしなければいけないと医者に言われた. The doctor told me that I've got to have an operation for my cancer.
今のうちに手術をするほうがいい. You had better have the operation before it is too late.
顔の整形手術をしたあと, わたしは自分が別の人間に生まれ変わったような気がした. After cosmetic surgery on my face, I felt as if I'd been reborn (as another person).

But then there's also this one:
大急ぎで患者を入院させ, すぐに手術をした. They admitted the patient in great haste and operated on her immediately.

I guess >>21273082 is right and you could interpret it either way depending on the context. An unambiguous way of saying "have an operation" seems to be 手術を受ける.
手術を受ける have [undergo] an operation 《for cancer, on one's heart》; have [undergo] surgery; be operated on 《for appendicitis》
酒井博士の執刀で手術を受けた. I was operated on by Dr. Sakai. | Dr. Sakai performed [did] the [my] operation. | The surgeon (for my operation) was Dr. Sakai.
いやがる彼女を説き伏せ手術を受けさせた. She was very reluctant, but I finally persuaded her to have [undergo] the operation.

>> No.21273123

you should go through all the kana in less than a week and get about 80% of them down well
then you can use your words for practice to get the rest of the way and fix the few that you get mixed up
sorting words by incremental kana usage is more work than it takes to just get to 80%

>> No.21273124

>I’d like to learn words as I go that reinforce the characters I’ve learned. Seems like I’ll have to make my own anki cards for this to work.
You'll be able to do that just by reading a grammar guide which doesn't use romaji.

There's no point drilling words written in kana since you're usually not going to run into them in that form in the wild.

>> No.21273125

I am using a 100 pound notebook currently actually. I just feel bad wasting paper I suppose. But it is nice and cheap!

>> No.21273126

>not using those shit green pens you get when you buy a 3 pack with blue,red and black

>> No.21273127

all you need to do to reinforce hiragana is look at any text in all of japanese mate
also play the gravity game

>> No.21273129

I'd just write "彼女へ歩いた." It seems more natural-sounding to say the shortest possible sentence.

>> No.21273165

at this point itazuraneko is unironically better for grabbing lns and manga than nyaa. it wouldn't be surprisingly if it had the biggest stash of jap retail ln rips outside of private trackers and the chink web

>> No.21273172

I just blew my mind when I realized that Tao (the religion) is written using the character 道.
Also, the だるま in 雪だるま is the same word as dharma.

>> No.21273174

yea but it's only got 4 volumes of gab drop

>> No.21273201
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retentionlets, bow before me.

>> No.21273205

Whenever someone posts a tiny crop like that they got something to hide.

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>> No.21273215

>4000 total cards
lol, and still not the whole stats page from the post before

>> No.21273222

why would i do that when i'm posting about retention you useless concave-skulled faggot?

>> No.21273224
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I started learning how to write kanji almost a year ago. I wanted to be able to see the kanji in my head when I thought of a word. There were words that I had seen hundreds or thousands of times (私,俺,僕,etc), but I had absolutely no idea what they looked like or how to write them. I'm currently at around 1700 kanji, and I know at least one word for each of them. I'm really glad I started doing this.

As for wasting paper and ink, I started out doing all my reps on paper, but now I only write my new cards on paper and do all my reviews on my phone. I also bought a fountain pen and a bottle of ink because I was tired of running out of ink in disposable pens. The pen is a Pilot Metropolitan.

>> No.21273231

>If you want to learn to write you need a proper method.
What method would you recommend?

>> No.21273233
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I finally finished my first big boy VN. Still not sure whether I'm going to jump right into Dive2 or if I wanna read something shorter in between so I can have a little time away from baldr.

>> No.21273235

That is awesome, man! I'm glad it is working out for you. Have you had any experience writing on a writing tablet or a graphics tablet?

>> No.21273240

I plan on doing this someday, but I already spend too much time on my current deck.

>> No.21273241

My method

>> No.21273243

Wow it seems they deleted all Quizmaster posts in the entire archive just because some spammer used the same name for a couple threads. Unbelievable. Well you can still find it in Warosu.

>> No.21273255

Actually let me repost it so I can link it later.

The problem with RTK is that it only teaches you to recall Kanji based on English keywords. The result is that you do end up being able to write some things, but you can't do anything valuable with that limited writing ability and certainly can't write Japanese prose. Note how there has never been an RTK retard that passed Kanken despite unending claims about being able to write.

Here comes my method. It has some elements which would not strictly not be required (I will explain shortly) but it is definitely the best way to learn to write. The important thing is doing this after you have learned to read. What I do to prepare for a kanken level is take all relevant Kanji and readings and figure out the optimal way to cover the maximum amount of information in as little cards as possible (I made up a system for this so it's not as tedious as it sounds). Now I use my Anime cards to create reverse writing cards covering all the previously gathered information using the sentences with the writing relevant part being kanafied. Here is an example of such cards:


The optional element obviously being all the voiced anime stuff, but I add it because it makes reviews fun and I want to enjoy doing this shit.

Now don't you think this is where I stop. I use the Kanken Training 2 game to simulate real tests and add all the information that I didn't get to the deck until I get a perfect score in the simulation. That way I GUARANTEE that I have attained mastery over a kanken level upon which I move on to the next one.

RTKtards probably won't appreciate this. They are simple minded fools that can do no more than follow the most simple of instructions. I spit on you.

>> No.21273258

Who are you quoting?

>> No.21273265

>reverse writing cards covering all the previously gathered information using the sentences with the writing relevant part being kanafied
wow never been done before
who gives a fuck

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I don't have any experience, but it is probably better than a phone because you can write with a stylus instead of a finger.

I posted yesterday that I started weight lifting recently and do my Anki reps while I'm resting between sets. Once my finger gets sweaty it starts kind of sticking to the screen and makes writing harder, so everything just looks like scribbles.

>> No.21273280

What hasn't been done before is optimizing the flashcard material as to teach writing ability surpassing that of a native as efficiently as possible as well as having spoken audio on all cards as to make it entertaining.

>who gives a fuck
Plenty of people do, it's a good measure for writing ability and I have a bet with jamal for me passing kanken.

>> No.21273281

This makes me feel a lot better about how I'm learning to write them. Besides the kanken stuff, we seem to do almost the same thing. I get a character from a sentence deck that I mined, replace the kanji with hiragana, bold it so I know what I am writing, then write it out by memory. Thank you so much for your response, man.

>> No.21273282

but how many erogeys have you finished
gotta stay ahead of baldr guy

>> No.21273286

nobody's gonna pass me up! im gonna start padding my resume with games that are listed as being "short!"

>> No.21273295

revolutionary method for learning to write
1. do rtk to learn the characters
2. make a writing deck like this to learn how to spell >>21273255

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>They are simple minded fools that can do no more than follow the most simple of instructions. I spit on you.

>> No.21273333

revolutionary method for learning to write
1. have an iq above 89
2. realize it's a waste of time and don't do it

>> No.21273339

>my plans are totally just to watch and consume different kinds of media and that's all
>production is for fucking idiots

>> No.21273345

always baffling when a normalfag gets arrogant about not being able to do something

>> No.21273357

I'm curious. Why would you say it's a waste of time?

>> No.21273364

Not sure if you are talking about me, I never told anyone they should write and I don't think it's necessary at all. However if you are at all advocating for writing or want writing proficiency RTK is simply not the way to go.

>> No.21273409

How often do you need to write anything by hand in your native language? I can count the number of times I do this in a year on the fingers of one hand.

Unless you know you're going to be living and working in Japan in the immediate future, then there's no practical application for this skill at all. If you were just visiting Japan and wanted to be able to communicate in written form on the off chance that there was some reason you had to do so, you could just do it in kana. The only reason you'd need to use kanji is if your job required it.

It's a massive time investment to learn not only how to write all the individual kanji, but also to learn how to spell all the words you know using those kanji, and until you do so, your ability to write kanji doesn't translate to anything meaningful at all, it's just a party trick. Writing kanji by hand is by far the single least useful and least important skill in the entire language, despite being quite possibly the most difficult to acquire and retain. It makes no sense at all to let it take time away from you doing other stuff in the language until after you've achieved fluency.

>> No.21273423

> I can count the number of times I do this in a year on the fingers of one hand.
Are you a neet by any chance?

>> No.21273433

I have to say, you made some excellent points and I can't disagree with anything that you said. I personally have kanji writing in my daily Japanese regime because it is just super fun to write kanij. Also, I hear that knowing how to write the kanji can make you less prone to confuse similar looking kanji when reading. Obviously I do not know if this is true due to my low level, but this makes sense to me.

>> No.21273445

How the hell do you memorize a new word's reading alongside its meaning?

>> No.21273450

the kanji tell you what it means

>> No.21273481

Leave. I want you to stay but it'd be better if you left because it would make you more productive. Get the fuck out of here.

>> No.21273489

how well do you find it transfers to recalling other words that use the kanji? ive been planning on using the same approach

>> No.21273521

It works well I think. Once you know how to write a kanji and know a couple words that use it, you just get more comfortable with it. Makes everything easier.

>> No.21273556

You're so obnoxious that I can tell that you're a whiny bitch I've met before. Fuck off miserable faggot.

>> No.21273560

You need to know your place 三下。

>> No.21273573

good to hear, might start it soon, thanks

>> No.21273639

Anybody use google sheets to hold their sentences? I find it to be way better than a code editor like notepad ++. You can access it anywhere and you can make it look a lot prettier.

>> No.21273659

What does need have to do with anything? Do you need to be able to read the annual lesbian spanking inferno pc game release? What practical application do porn novels have?

>> No.21273664

what's the point of putting your sentences in documents like this

>> No.21273673

petty autistic freak

>> No.21273691

I can't give a good reason, to be frank. I just like seeing all of my sentences in one place outside of anki.

>> No.21273720

both perspectives are right, it’s just a matter of balance. you have to be willing to look into your own experience with whatever you’re reading at the time and judge where the balance of fun + learning and actually making progress, hits best for you.

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can anyone read what the kana and kanji are on the back of this sweatshirt?

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>That anon that is insecure about not being able to write but doesn't want to practice, so he constantly tries to discourage people from doing it

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for some context

>> No.21273736

maybe it’s just not where his priorities are. he should be honest with himself as to why he feels the need to exert the energy of discouraging others instead of just doing what works for him

>> No.21273740

Yes, I generally have no problems recalling the meanings. It's the readings that fuck me up. Do you make mnemonics for readings?

>> No.21273741

do you just save the sentences that have stuff you don’t know in them?

>> No.21273748

Yeah there's nothing wrong with not writing. If it's not necessary for you, that's ok. Even if you are fine with it 'being useless' he'll continue to talk shit. Weird motherfucker.
I feel like he's trying to discourage people to get whatever imaginary advantage he has going on in his head that would lead him to being so obnoxious about it.

Sounds far fetched but there are so many people like that on /ic/. Wouldn't be surprised if there was an overlap.

>> No.21273754
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Pretty much! I only mine stuff that contains only 1 thing that I don't know. In this example, I didn't know the word 未来 out of this sentence, so I added it to my sheet.

>> No.21273760

don’t let yourself be triggered. have a strong heart with wisdom
you’re absolutely right when it comes to utility, but that doesn’t mean all kanji work has no utility just because the most time consuming ways aren’t worth it. you can work smarter rather than harder. for example writing each kanji you can recognize vaguely at least a few times in some way, even if you can’t do it off head, has the effect of solidifying your memory of it, which can then transfer to reading speed and recognition abilities in subtle ways we’re not even usually conscious of. but it’s wise not to over-focus so much in that area that you miss the gains to be made from simply reading and learning more words and sentence types. but that doesn’t mean completely downplaying it’s importance altogether. it’s about finding the appropriate balance.

>> No.21273762

I just realized the awesomeness of Drama CDs to improve listening.

>> No.21273763

that’s so good! i’m glad you’re making progress in ways that feel helpful. what were you reading that you saw that sentence?

>> No.21273765

It is a bit odd. He must be having a bad day or something. For most people, Japanese is not useful at all. Most folks learn it because they want to. Whether it be for anime consumption, idols, games and etc. If you are like me and enjoy learning how to write out kanji, then why not write it? Even if it isn't useful, it brings joy.

>> No.21273769

Thank you so much! I believe I was watching a nogizaka46 documentary when I mined this. I hope you continue to make progress as well!

>> No.21273771

yep! they’re so good. which one are you listening to?

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my retention improved 50% better with my new font

>> No.21273775


Since I'm reading the WN.

>> No.21273778

>For most people, Japanese is not useful at all. Most folks learn it because they want to. Even if it isn't useful, it brings joy.
exactly! that’s the most important thing at the center of it. unfortunately some people forget that sometimes

>> No.21273782

this is honestly kawaii af

>> No.21273794

Omg what is that font? I love it!

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>> No.21273800

am i in the wrong thread everyone is being nice to each other

>> No.21273808

Thank you so much!!

>> No.21273816

They're just being nice ironically.

>> No.21273889

/djt/'s hate list (tell me if I'm missing anything):
>Rosetta Stone
>sentence cards/sentence mining
>"reading" manga
>black people
>white people

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>> No.21273915

>>"reading" manga
Literally just one autist forcing a meme, and a handful of idiots imitating him.

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>> No.21273924

If I am opening a can of worms asking this, then please don't answer. But what is wrong with sentence mining? I sentence mine, and I would hate to be doing something bad when I could be doing something better.

>> No.21273926

Manchildren In Action

>> No.21273936

Mass Immersion Approach. It is mattvsjapan’s updated version of AJATT. Lot of folks don’t like Matt due to his arrogant, pompous attitude. Really good at Japanese, but his arrogance makes him unlikable to many.

>> No.21273942

>can't read 広義 properly
>good at Japanese

>> No.21273945

One mistake makes someone bad at Japanese? That’s a bit much lol

>> No.21273968

how do you personally define arrogance, vs just being passionate about something and wanting to help people?

>> No.21273974

it all depends on where you are. sentence mining is extremely helpful, until you reach a point where just reading more results in more improvement in your japanese, in regards to what you'd ideally be using it for. if sentence cards are still helping, go for it. but if you think "hmm, i think i can handle just reading more with this time instead for a while" then go for it! you can always work with sentence cards later if you feel like you need them. have enough trust in yourself to weigh the research and other opinions you've seen vs your own experience

>> No.21273977

mine vocab cards with sentences on the back
basically just reformat your sentence cards

>> No.21273979

Incredibly well said!

>> No.21273980

>being nice ironically
do you trust yourself to tell the difference between genuine kindness vs "being nice ironically"?

>> No.21273986

There was a long back-and-forth about sentence cards a while back which you can read if you follow the reply chain down from this post:
(If you follow it up, you can read an argument about Matt's misuse of the term i+1 as well.)

Back then, sentence cards were quite controversial and discussion about them had a tendency to kick off shitstorms, but now the consensus has pretty much settled on sentence cards = bad so there's not much in the way of heated discussion about them anymore.

If you're looking for a TL;DR on their problems, someone who had been doing sentence cards covered two of the big issues with them the other day:

>> No.21273990

Arrogance to me is just excessive pride. Nothing more nothing lesss. And I think Matt as of now has improved greatly. But at one point he was pretty arrogant.

>> No.21273994

Nice that there are other options! Sentence mining seems to be working well for me, but if it doesn’t in the future, I’ll reconsider!

>> No.21273998

Perfect! Thank you so much!

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>You cannot defend appropriating something with a specific established scientific meaning to mean something that is completely unscientific and unsubstantiated.
I felt like a badass when I wrote this. Good times.

>> No.21274024

I love sentence mining as it works for me, but It is very interesting to see other viewpoints on the matter. DJT seems really interesting, and the guide looks amazing.

>> No.21274039

Based image. People need to stop sperging out about their cards so much. All that time is wasted not learning japanese. If you spend more than 30 seconds on making a card you're doing it wrong.
In the end it's just an aide.

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As someone who comes here every couple days to bully people who perpetuate misinformation while being complete beginners and get into arguments with people who insist that their weirdo supplementary studies are something everyone should do, DJT has actually been a bit better the past few weeks than it was a year ago, despite the general decline in quality in the thread. I have no idea what happened. Maybe quizmaster scared enough mattdrones and koohii drinkers out of the thread to make a difference. Maybe the latest wave of them was a bunch of new years resolutioners and they finally gave up. Either way, keep it up, DJT, you're finally starting to be able to walk again.

On another note. To be more fair to sentence cards than I was in my longwinded argument in that first archive link, they are technically better than every other non-recognition format in >>21274013 and there's nothing about them that prevents people from learning Japanese. They're just extremely time consuming and provide either very little or negative amounts of benefit over normal recognition cards with sentences on the back. Of course, you shouldn't actually have sentence translations on your cards unless you're still using a bad shared deck like Core2k. Image needs updating, Core2k is no longer and assumption. Still there's absolutely no reason to use sentence cards instead of vocab cards and more reading with the time you save by switching.

Back to reading. Keep the sharp knives in the drawer and don't run with scissors, okay?

>> No.21274059

Gotta love squeezing in a couple typos right before posting.

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>> No.21274103

>If you spend more than 30 seconds on making a card you're doing it wrong.
not necessarily. sometimes it's so valuable in nailing down something you kept struggling with that it's worth it. not every sentence will be worth that though which is why being selective and in tune to your personal weak points is vital

>> No.21274127

To those who are at an upper-intermediate to advanced level in Japanese, how does it feel? I myself can’t wait to get to that point.

>> No.21274135

You won't find any such people in here.

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>> No.21274159

Weird comment, but she is drawn really well. Really pretty art.

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>> No.21274212

仕事に戻りまーす。I hope y’all have a wonderful day!

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>> No.21274313

I can read basically anything I want without looking much up but my reading speed is still pretty bad ~300 characters a minute. How do I improve this?

>> No.21274333

read more that is literally the answer to this and most questions asked here it really is that simple

>> No.21274336

I think you know the answer.

However on top I feel that subtitles helped my speed improve if you focus on reading along.

>> No.21274367

reading it wrong is bad but saying KouhHgOuhh out loud twice is really what seals the deal

>> No.21274378

>people who don't know Japanese
>people who know Japanese
>Japanese people

>> No.21274450

Honestly, I feel like my goals with Japanese are not good enough. I just want to be able to read manga and that’s it lol. I think I should be aiming for a high level like George Trombley’s, but I don’t mind learning Japanese just for that purpose.

>> No.21274482

george "starwoods spaceschool" trombone

>> No.21274527

>I think I should be
no need to burden yourself with "shoulds"
>I just want to be able to
ahh, the freedom of pure desire and interest. let that guide you :)

>> No.21274535

he probably didn't realize he made the mistake in that moment and was probably focused on the point of the video to check himself on that error

>> No.21274538

Thank you man

>> No.21274542

this is your japanese on sentence cards

>> No.21274546

nigga what are you saying? if it's truly 300 characters per minute with max comprehension and you're not just boosting yourself for internet points, then that's very good for a second language learner of japanese and quite frankly i wouldn't expect someone at that level to even be asking this question....

>> No.21274557 [DELETED] 

Vocab cards are a lot better!!!

>> No.21274559

even if youre drunk and retarded ur gonna catch urself if u say crook instead of book cuz u know the language

matt otoh ヽ(  ̄д ̄)ノ

>> No.21274565

I’m sure you’re a lot better than he is. I don’t even like Matt or AJATT, but come on lol

>> No.21274574

>even if youre drunk and retarded ur gonna catch urself
uhhh are you sure because drunk english speakers mistake syllables all the time

>> No.21274584

i mean the i guess interesting thing about it all is ppl who dont know japanese are willing to give matt the benefit of the doubt but anyone with any real proficiency who can feel the language instead of merely decode it see him and just lol like hell

show the kogo vid to ur japanese friends and get their opinion 90% of them are gonna lol and the other 10% are gonna lmao

>> No.21274598

right? it wasn't even a big mistake. he got the first kanji's reading, こう then fumbled the second. and either was too tense during the video to correct his mistake or just didn't notice; i think because he was focused on making a good video

i've seen actual japanese people make typos and use the wrong kanji in published games being sold to thousands of paying people lol so at this point i see no reason to judge isolated mistakes like that

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