/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

How many anons here believe that Gensokyo is in some sense real?

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>>21242328
I hope with all of my heart and wish for it every day.

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Lurk at least 2 years kudasai.

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Yes, anonymous, there is a Gensokyo. it exists as certainly as mating press and boobhu and standing paizuri exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! how dreary would be the world if there were no Gensokyo. It would be as dreary as if there were no anonymous!

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>>21242328

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>>21242387
Standing paizuri actually does exist, it's just usually not legal.

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>>21242387
"Mating press" is just a way to say "missionary" without sounding uncool.

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>>21242387
I've always thought that Francis Church was a cunt for writing a cheeky response like that.

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It's real, it's just very hard to get there. ;_;

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I wanna go to Gensokyo!

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Gensokyo is real, but for an average human it is impossible to enter it unless they are abducted by a yokai.

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>>21245349
How can I get abducted by a yokai? Is it possible to convince them to take you in? Is there a situation where it could be done in a friendly and nice way where they do it out of kindness and maybe we even become friends?

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>>21246976
Just wander around the Hakurei Shrine on the outside world. By luck, the barrier is weakened, enabling you to pass through. Or Yukari could spirit you away, mistaking you to be committing suicide.

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>>21242328
I believe it's real, and ZUN is loosely telling us its chronicles

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Me

[Anonymous No.]

I love Gensokyo maps but it triggers me when they don’t include the moon.

The problem is though that Gensokyo exists to house forgotten lore and superstitions that modernity has moved beyond. By believing in Gensokyo you are actually undoing it. The way to actually make it real is to sincerely reject it from the bottom of your heart.

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If I kill myself will I go to Gensokyo?

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>>21247098
Only one way to find out

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How would ZUN feel about all the people who want to kill themselves in hopes of going to Gensokyo?

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>>21247109
Would you blame yourself for the retardation of others?

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>>21247109
He'd mourn for them by throwing a beer-drinking party.

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>>21242328
500 infantry, 200 cavalry.
That's all I'd need to wipe Gensokyo off the face of this earth.

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>>21247042
By this definition, your average /jp/er has a jolly good chance of ending up in Gensokyo!

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>>21248998
Not their virginities tho

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>>21242328
I going to obliterate the Hakurei Great Barrier and liberate the humans in the human village!

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>>21247042
That doesn't sound right. Won't belief and fear in the youkai means they can live in the outside world? Course, a couple of people in an anonymous board probably won't have much effect, but still.

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>>21250490
Actually you’re probably right. Believing in them would probably unnecessitate the existence of Gensokyo at all. But I’d say it comes down to tastes. Would a person rather live in a modern world with modern aesthetic and have all our cute yokai girls join us in a drab, flavorless, soul-sucking world of Calarts cartoons, usury, ubiquitous gender discussion shit, and Big Bang Theory being popular. Or would you rather be spirited away to a fantasy of Yamato era esque comfiness where all the humans have some sort of spiritual ability and everything is watched over by sages who legitimately love the world because they created it?
I would prefer the latter myself.

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>>21251300
>usury
Is this going to be a buzzword now? I keep seeing it more and more on the Internet, though this is the first time I see it on /jp/. It will be pretty funny if baka gaijin regulate the shit out of their credit rates. Maybe Japan will get an economic boom out of it and have more risky anime funded.

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>>21251570
Nah, you just found out about the word and what it meant and now you just see it everywhere.

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>>21251639
I don't think so. I knew it from history.

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In some sense? Sure.

I mean, which requirements does something need to fulfill in order to be "real"? From what we as situated perceivers in this world can tell, real things generally exist independently of us, can be coherently talked about and interacted with, and causally interact with other real things.

Now go and test Gensokyo against this list: Does it exist independently of us? Probably not, so that's a big minus. But it _can_ be coherently talked about and even interacted with to some extent. Given that there are hundreds of thousands of people out there who are acquainted with at least some of the source material, there's even some level of shared knowledge about Gensokyo. You can coherently talk about Gensokyo, make correct and wrong statements about Gensokyo and interact with it (albeit to a limited extent) via the games.

Finally, is there causal interaction between Gensokyo and things anyone would immediately consider real? That depends on your stance regarding causality and ontology. Reductionists would certainly deny this, but I do believe there's an argument to be made for considering Gensokyo and its constituents to be causally effective, especially when one employs a counterfactual theory of causation. You need to ask yourself: Would X have happened if Y had not been present? Would I have bought this Marisa fumo if Gensokyo had not been present?

Phenomenologically speaking, the borders of the world are wherever the borders of your direct or indirect perception are. But this also means that the world starts where your perception does.
If you believe Gensokyo to be real, it's already more real than something noone's thought about so far (or something that noone thinks about anymore). Add that to all of the above, and it's hard to think of Gensokyo as "mere fantasy" anymore. It's similar to how religions work - when your idea, your fantasy passes a certain threshold of requirements, it becomes more than just an idea. It can influence the real, material world, influence even people's lives, to the point that it doesn't matter anymore that this fantasy isn't material, isn't touchable. When you truly believe in a world after death, you don't question whether you will actually reach that world once you die, just as you don't question whether your computer is currently trying to deceive you by showing you a 4chan page when you're actually on reddit.

It is this deep, natural, everyday belief that makes almost everything we usually interact with real. We _have_ to believe that things we interact with will work in a certain way, that the world stays stable, and so on.
If you can get your belief about Gensokyo to that level... It would be hard to tell it apart from the real world at all.

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>>21251765
Are you saying that reductionists deny that fiction can affect the real world? I don't see why they would. Fiction is ultimately a certain pattern of particles. When read by the right human it can cause the human to do things like a punched card can make the right piece of industrial equipment do things it wouldn't have done without it. You could say that a piece of fiction isn't the pattern of particles because it has countless possible physical representations. However, the same is true of a key that opens a lock and everything else. If you accept that macroscopic objects and not just particles can do things, then fiction can do things. Is that no longer reductionist?

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>>21242328
If according to Christianity Jesus came back to life, then went to check out his homies and returning half-spiritual half-physical to paradise, lets try apply some facts to who is already in Gensokyo.

Youkai usually were human or animal souls before getting some sort of ability boosted trough seething hate or who were simply were driven to madness but most importantly forgotten by others, Rumia for example is according to wiki a forgotten tradition of Christian Mistletoe.

in main religions doing your best to help others or improve upon yourself . yet no one giving a shit. grants you a ticket to Heaven right? With this logic:
1) A soul becoming a youkai soul, gets a ticket to Gensokyo.(the chillest part of it)
2) An oni youkai, an ex-human psycho who'd kill animals or people for fun goes to chill with Satorii,
And despite being a mindfucked murderer Satorii can still mindfuck them even more with their greatest fears, so even an atomic-godlevel crow is docile.
(Lucifer could also read human desires - their heart, and no I'm not saying Christianity ever forgets about it's arch enemy, you could say Satorii wanted to be hardcore and her dad didn't let her and slapped her down to older hell)
3) Human that kinda was going the right way but gotta try harder ends up in human village, since Gensokyo is a terrible place for ordinary humans if they overstep their boundaries.
4) All other kind of souls get that just wasn't meeting any criteria, Eiki Yamaxanadu (God, that everyone is scared shitless of and can't hold a candle to, even if they are also a gods) get their shit sorted. But before at least they can chill between Komatits (even tho in lore she's a fucking meatless skeleton from Hades)
Even the almighty Yukari or Reimu doesn't want to mess with Eiki's true abilities because both would get GensothefuckyOUT in a flash thanks to their good and bad deeds balance. They aren't exclusively needed to keep up the Hakurei Barrier, pic related*

What about Esoteric Club lesbians?
I'd compare them to any of popular cases of people being visited by saints or having visions (apply any Gensokyo resident of a God or sage status)

inb4 some crossboarding moron tells me to take my meds, y-you too.

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>>21252104
I had in mind the particular kind of reductionism that doesn't allow for emergent properties on macroscopic levels. Those whose proponents would answer "No" to the question of whether objects can have higher-level properties that aren't constituted simply by arrangements of their particles.

I don't think radical reductionists would have to deny that fiction can affect the real world, anyways. They would probably make the argument that fictional entities don't exist in any meaningful way, so the question of how they are instantiated or how they affect anything isn't even relevant to them.

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>>21242530
I tried this before, but I only achieved a bad headache. I'll try harder!

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>>21251765
Human brain is not capable understanding metaphysical yet it's cabable of
"feeling" or "believing" that it's out there, remember that badly animated quantum physics video showing how particles act different whether they are observed or not.
So you know the common fact, that if one looses one of common human senses another one improves significantly unless,
ofcourse someone is a living plant, then they just wait until they die
What if you lost your sense of perception and sense of thought? As in not for sleep but permamently.
Pictue a human brain is a small battery as main job with countless other to list. Like an electrical circuit, energy of your own unique nature
(the ENERGY is unique,but you're not a special snowflake tho)
Energy patterns are everything you can possibly imagine, and precieve at any single moment.
If you close your eyes, you can't see what I wrote, yet IF you trained that energy to memorize it's pattern you could make a picture inside your head being completely blind. Energy can take any pattern in existence. it can create, modtfy or join it's collective nature. (this is why you dont mix fuels kids)
Google Masaru Emoto's work on this one - and the behavior of water and snow patterns to get a solid explanation on this

Now imagine a dying anon, thinking of how he always said he wants to go to Gensokyo upon death, being with his waifu getting eaten by his waifu and having a loli onahole harem and whichever he hoped and dreamt, then let's say this information will be his last breath, joined the collective yet in an unique (hurray newhu's) trying to modify it slightly, but it's called an incident in Gensokyo so he didn't impress his waifu anyways.

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its as real as something like the Celtic Otherworlds or other mythological beings like Nessie or Santa

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>>21251765
>>21252205
>>21252420
Hello /sci/

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>>21252512
You mean /lit/. Analytic philosophy is still philosophy despite some of its practitioners' science envy.

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>>21252512
>>21252527
I've never been there for as long as I'm a member of taiwanesee basketweaving forums, all I base my viewpoint and facts from is things I've seen on the interwebz, mainly jewtube and some people I know of same interests. I don't need anon's hot opinions on books or science, because it will be just another episode of elitist faggots on /a/ in the long run. And i realise people feel the same towards my hot opinions, yet i hope we can have a change of pace from favorite 2hu imagedump and shitposting, get comfy and brainstorm how do we get Yukari to gap us over there. to Hakurei Shrine or somewhere as safe.

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>>21252888
>>21252888
>And i realise people feel the same towards my hot opinions, yet i hope we can have a change of pace from favorite 2hu imagedump and shitposting, get comfy and brainstorm how do we get Yukari to gap us over there. to Hakurei Shrine or somewhere as safe.
You are completely right

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>>21242328
I believe it's real insofar that people have killed themselves out of a delusion that they would go there. It doesn't exist, but the fact that it had a effect on the actual real world means it's as real as anything else.

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>>21246976
>Is it possible to convince them to take you in?
Just be easily missed or suicidal.

>Is there a situation where it could be done in a friendly and nice way where they do it out of kindness and maybe we even become friends?
No. Foodi s food after all.

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>>21247109
I like to think it disturbed him enough that he went out of his way to portray Gensokyo as a bad place you do not want to go under any circumstances post PMISS. Also create Sumireko.

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>>21246976
>Is it possible to convince them to take you in?
Just be easily missed or suicidal.

>Is there a situation where it could be done in a friendly and nice way where they do it out of kindness and maybe we even become friends?
No. Food is food after all.

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>>21253292
Is it a common sentiment and/or joke in the Japanese fan base as well?
>>21252394
I know where me are, and I normally couldn't care less but, I dunno most people on /jp/ seem great so, you guys dying makes me sad, I posted that largely as a joke, if you really must I understand, but you shouldn't, anyway if you do the percentage of dirty idolfag vs people who actually belong here will grow in their favor. I feel stupid posting this in a place like this especially when I'll probably kill myself when my 20's are over...

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If its real or not doesn't matter because no 2hu will like you anyways.

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>>21253913
Literally impossible. If everybody hates you then you know who will like you out of sheer contrarianism.

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>>21253899
>if you do the percentage of dirty idolfag vs people who actually belong here will grow in their favor
Would you then endorse murder-suicide if the murder involves idolfags?
>I'll probably kill myself when my 20's are over...
A lot of people think that.

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>>21253899
>Is it a common sentiment and/or joke in the considering Jap suicide rates.

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>>21254057
I thought I would kill myself when my twenties are over, but I'm just turning 23 and I'm already okay with living again.
There are lots of good things to live for, and going to Gensokyo will be fine when the time comes

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>>21251765
>>21252205
>>21252420
I can smell the IQ threads from here!

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>>21251639
>>21251570
Usury for me is just a useful shorthand to sum up a lot of economic problems that are currently causing a lot of people problems. You might’ve just learned the word or not, but it’s also gaining a lot of attention because the effects of things like exorbitant interest rate and predatory lending are coming to fruition all at once and “usury” is a common thread. Debt slavery is only manageable if you can pay off the bills quickly. Otherwise you can end up paying many times the amount you took out the credit for in the first place. And I’m these times where so many people are lacking in any kind of preparation for responsible adulthood let alone supporting a family, usury is just another way that people are hindered from finding the security of life that will make them happy.

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>>21257035
Usury is just a symptom, getting rid of it won't fix anything. Same thing with many other problems like obesity, drugs, gambling, and so on. Even if you outlaw them all people will surely find some way to destroy themselves.
Law should prohibit outright fraud and intentional harm, but nobody should have the agenda of protecting people from themselves, it's just not right. Thinking you have some obligation to protect other people and make their decisions for them just stinks of a huge superiority complex and it's why politics have gotten so bad.
Also, if you want to get to gensokyo, you just have to be forgotten. No social media, no friends, no possessions, no job, no record you existed.

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>>21257130
Not to turn this thread into a gov/econ class, but what your describing is an impotent and disordered society. Like it or not government has historically served one very important function: preserving order. It isn’t a sense of superiority to think that a society should do what is conducive to a healthy society and not do what is not. Usury, drugs, and porn addiction may be a “symptom” but they’re poisons in themselves and a surefire way to keep feeling worse is to not stop drinking the poison. I will concede though that normalizing usurious practices will ensure that it has instances in the future, so in a way it becomes a symptom (while simultaneously being its own cause). In any case, I never accept the “can’t change it let’s not fight it” argument.

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>>21256407
The Heidegger post is fine.

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>>21257718
>gov/econ class
Please don't mistake expressing your opinion for educating others. That's the superiority complex >>21257130 was talking about. Although I guess this mistake is common in gov/econ classes, which says something about these classes and the kind of person who chooses to teach them.

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>>21257718
You can have an orderly society full of every vice there is as long as people respect each other

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Claiming that the human brain can't comprehend metaphysical objects is a retarded assumption since it presumes that there are metaphysical objects to be comprehended in the first place, which is nonsensical since the moment we detect them with instruments, they're no longer metaphysical. The matter of fact is whether you can deduce, from logical principles, whether a study of metaphysics is possible or not.

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>>21242471
SPOILER: The 2nd stage boss of Touhou 17 is a girl who did brb Gensokyo. She's in Hell.

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>>21252261
Is fiction real? If someone dresses up as Batman, calls himself Batman, and beats people up at night, is he Batman?

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>>21258856
If someone dresses up as Elvis, calls himself Elvis, and sings for people at night, is he Elvis?

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>>21258856
>>/jp/?search_text=hyperstition

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>>21259670
a man can't walk out of /lit/ for longer than a few seconds before some form of accelerationism comes back to haunt him
should I be impressed, confused, or in a state of perpetual bliss as I await a potential spiritualists vs hyperstitionists clash to determine whose conception of gensokyo is more in tune with the powers that be? why I might even force myself to read up on acc

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Gensokyo is the afterlife

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I'm suprised there is not a dedicated part of 2hu fans who create a Gensokyo in their dreams.
I've read an anon creating a tulpa of his favorite 2hu but that's about it and I don't know if he made it.

Have you ever visited Gensokyo in your dreams anon? I want to fly on Marisa's Broom and drink tea with Alice!

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>>21260040
The only Gensokyo-related dream I had was having a sniper duel with Patchouli

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>>21259998
Don't be a secondary.

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>>21260083
Please tell, if you don't mind.

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>>21260040
Yes. I woke up in the Bamboo Forest, got lost and saw Mokou fighting a rat on fire. Then she saw me and I woke up for real.
I have no idea why I dreamt that. Now that I think about it it's one of Merry's dreams in ZUN's music CDs but it's been years since I read the story and I don't even remember which CD that was from.

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>>21260103
So the layout of the dream was kinda like 2fort, but instead of the 2 forts and a bridge it was like 2 apartment complexes/commieblocks with wide as hell balconies. Also just remembered it wasn't just Patchy but I also recall seeing someone who resembled Alice due to the clothing and blonde hair
I got out of my cover and looked through the scope and saw Patchy's hat, so I pulled the trigger and lasers came out of the rifle that did absolutely nothing. Then I see Patchouli's face and click the trigger again but this time there's a short delay and a huge bubble comes flying out, which does nothing again .
Last thing I remember was I tried to get the advantage by going to the upper floor and getting a better view of Patchy's position but when I got to the upper floor balcony some other girl came out of a pod and said I'm not qualified to be here. Then I woke up.

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>>21260092
why certainly, but would it not be more prudent to have a look at the old deleuze first? or have I been under a false impression?

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>>21260192
The first thing you should do is finding out what the Shift Key on your Keyboard is for.
After that, pick up Crowley.

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>>21260229
You ask for too much, but it is duly noted.

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>>21242328
I don't, but I often pretend to/imagine "what if" when I'm posting on /jp/.

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>>21260150
I would play a commieblock danmaku sniper duel game against Patchy.

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>>21242530
I don't know, this seems like it could go wrong.
I'd rather do something with a higher success rate, like the ol' shotty.

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Can anyone tell me what this tweet means? I've never seen my favorite cosplayer get this many likes before, and the tweet looks really cute. Also if you'd rather talk about tomboy cosplayers we can do that instead

中高女子校だったのでバレンタインや体育祭はすごくて、キャーキャー言われる人生だったので、目立ちすぎて友達はいませんでした()
私の筆記用具が落ちてたから拾ってくれた子が非難を受けるほどだったので、学校サボってドラム叩いてた、、、

https://twitter.com/lopechante/status/771325714058452994

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>>21261628
Just remember you want to destroy your brain stem. If you shoot through the roof of your mouth, you'll probably just damage your cortex, which you stand a reasonable chance of surviving as a vegetable.

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>>21260122
In "the tale of the bamboo cutter" Kaguya hime request impossible tasks to the princes who wanted to marry her (one of those prince was Mokou's father, and probably an historical real person)
The requested items were:
The stone begging bowl of theBuddha Shakyamuni (Siddharta)fromIndia,
-A jeweled branch from the mythical island ofHōrai.
The legendary robe of the fire-rat ofChina.
-a colored jewel from adragon's neck, and the -acowry shellborn ofswallows.

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I want to go to Eientei and learn science from Eirin, do you think she lets regular humans assist?

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>>21260040
Isn't getting lucid dreams relatively easy? You could make like Maribel.

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>>21262292
She would most likely have you replace Udonge as the medicine seller since you're a human and all. And if you're willing to, human test subject whenever she's making new drugs.

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>>21262320
I've never been able to do it no matter how many guides I follow. Eventually I just gave up. My dreams are naturally weird anyway.

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>>21263151
This actually seems like a fairly stable and low-risk job as far as Gensokyo goes. I like it.

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Gensokyo? Gensokyo.
M'yes.

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>>21263409
Have you tried keeping a dream diary? Even if you don't achieve lucid dreaming it will help you remember your dreams and be a source of inspiration for your creative work.

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>>21251765
>Does it exist independently of us?

It doesnt. The rest is just your usual dumb sophism used to mask wishful thinking.

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god, I want reimu to kill me so bad

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Just shoot yourself

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Gensokyo is just an alternate ethereal dimension that only exists because of japanese collective fear of youkai, there are many like it all over the world as long as there are people, and it often borders and collides with other "gensokyos" from time to time (an interaction between american "gensokyo" and Gensokyo was recorded in wild and horned hermit)

[Anonymous No.]

is it truth that sanae hung herself in order to travel to gensokyo?

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>>21280955
She was actually sentenced to be hanged for her crimes

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>>21280522
>(an interaction between american "gensokyo" and Gensokyo was recorded in wild and horned hermit)
Wait, was that the goblins chapter? Now that I think about it, they do appear rather sudden.

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>>21242328
Hope zero